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The NIFB is older than the Catholic Church | Stedfast Baptist Church
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Amen. The title of my sermon this morning is the new IFB is older than the Catholic Church.
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The new IFB is older than the Catholic Church. Now, what I mean by this specifically is not
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necessarily that our movement has a historical timeline of succeeding churches that somehow
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predate the Roman Catholic Church, but I have three ways in which the new IFB is older than
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the Roman Catholic Church. And that would be in our doctrine. Our doctrinal beliefs go back before
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the time of the Roman Catholic Church is origin. Not only that, our practices as a church go back
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before, and we can see precedent of the practices that we are doing right now are older than the
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formation of the Roman Catholic Church. And third, that the Bible that I hold in my hand,
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these scriptures all predate the formation of the Roman Catholic Church. So in many ways,
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the new IFB is older than the Roman Catholic Church. Now, we still use the word new, and what do we
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mean by new? Well, it's new from a contextual perspective. Yes, there is a sense of newness
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in the sense that, hey, we're doing things new right now in our generation that others were
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not really doing or other churches are not doing, but the practices by which we're doing are not
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technically new, they're actually old. Now, we see the Bible bring up this same phenomenon
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or this same type of idea where something is new and old at the same time. Look what it says in
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1 John 2 verse 7. Brethren, I write, no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment
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which he had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which you have heard from the beginning.
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Again, a new commandment I write unto you. It's like, what the heck? He just said it's not a new
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commandment. Then he says it is a new commandment. What is he saying? He's saying, look, I am
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technically writing a new commandment. Yes, I'm technically delivering you new information or
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perhaps this is a practice that's fallen out of adherence. People are not really observing
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this the way they should be doing it. I'm trying to make it new, I'm trying to freshen it up,
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I'm trying to bring it to your attention, but the reality is we already had Scripture,
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we already had commandments in the Old Testament that told us to do what I'm about to say.
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I'm just basically bring it to your attention and we're going to implement it again.
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So yeah, it's new, but it's not really new, it's still old. It's always been a practice,
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it's always been something we should have been doing. So it's new and it's old at the
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same time, isn't it? He says, again, a new commandment, I write into you which thing is true
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in him and in you because the darkness is past, the true light now shineth. Now, when he gives this
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commandment, he's not necessarily being overtly direct. He's kind of just talking about this
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idea in a big picture, but the new commandment that's kind of being emphasized is loving your
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brother and loving your brother as you would love yourself and the way you love God is
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how you should love your brother. That's the idea that's being communicated here.
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He says in verse nine, he that saved these in the light and hated his brother is in darkness
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even until now. He that loveth his brother abided in the light and there's no occasion of stumbling
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in him, but he that hated his brother is in darkness and walketh in darkness and knoweth
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not whether he goeth because that darkness has blinded his eyes. So the concept that's being
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taught is the new commandment is we should love our brother and we shouldn't be hating our
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brother. And that's really emphasized in first John specifically is loving our brother and he's
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like, this is a new commandment, but it's not really new because we could have learned this
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principle in this concept from the Old Testament, from the Bible already. Look at second John.
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Just flip a page and look at second John verse four. Notice it says here, I rejoice greatly
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that I found of thy children walking in truth as we have received a commandment from the
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Father and now I beseech thee, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment under thee,
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but that which we had from the beginning, notice this, that we love one another.
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And he's saying, hey, yeah, I'm writing this to you and I don't want you to think like,
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this is a new idea. It might seem like it's a new idea. We might even say at times it's a
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new idea, but it's really not a new idea because it's actually something we had from
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the beginning. And what is that concept is that we should love one another.
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really get into the details of my sermon this morning. What is the concept? That sometimes
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things are considered new, but they're really not new. Oh, you guys are an invention. You
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guys are novel. You guys just came around five minutes ago and so you can't be the true church.
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You can't be doing the true practices because you guys are a later development,
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but the problem is, even if we are new in that sense, if everything we're doing
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precedes us when it's really not new, you know, it's just true. Okay. Might as well just call
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us the true IFB. Okay. And instead of just the new IFB, because the reality is, hey, we're
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trying to do what the Bible says. We don't care about historical practices if they don't line up
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with scripture. Hey, we follow all kinds of traditions as Baptist and we find ourselves
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doing a lot of things that people have done before us. Hey, we're meeting on Sunday morning.
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Hey, we're meeting three times a week. Hey, we have a 400 plus year old Bible. Yeah,
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there's all kinds of stuff that we do. Hey, I'm wearing a suit and tie today.
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Not everybody's ever dressed exactly like this necessarily. Not everybody's always had,
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you know, buildings like this. Not everybody's had air conditioning. Okay, sure. Some things are
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just kind of a carryover from what other generations have done or other groups have done. But at
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the end of the day, you know, when we are trying to figure out if what we're doing is right,
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we should make sure it lines up with scripture areas where scripture is silent. Well,
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I think there's freedom there. Areas where the scripture is confirming, we ought to do it for
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sure. Areas where the scripture is condemning, we ought to abandon it. Yes. And so what is
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the new IFB? It's us trying to go back to what the Bible actually says. It's not that we're
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trying to invent something. It's not like we're trying to do something novel. We're actually
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just doing again what the Bible already said. And look what it says in John 13 verse 34,
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a new commandment I give unto you, that ye love one another, as I have loved you,
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that ye also love one another. By this shall all men know that you're my disciples,
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if you have loved one to another. Now here's the thing. When we take this verse in context of
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other verses and other portions of scripture, is this technically new though? Because we already
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read in 2 John chapter one that we had that commandment from the beginning. He said
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that we love one another was from the beginning. Jesus is saying here the exact same commandment
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that you love one another. And he says it's new. So in a sense, we can say it's new, but it's not
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new in the sense that, hey, we didn't have this instruction or idea or concept already taught
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to us. It's just saying like, hey, I want to give you something else to emphasize,
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something else you've fallen out of practice of, something else you haven't been doing.
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Hey, I'm emphasizing something new here, but it's technically not new. It really is old.
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Govv would do Leviticus chapter 19. Where is this coming from? Well,
Leviticus 19 chapter mention
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number one, I would think he just implied, you know, that we should just love one another.
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But we give some pretty explicit commands in the Bible as well. In Levitical law,
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we are given instruction to love our neighbor. It says in Leviticus chapter 19 verse 18,
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thou shalt not avenge nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love
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thy neighbor as thyself. I am the Lord. So just as Jesus is saying love one another,
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second John is saying love one another, just as we had it in first John, that we should love
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our brother. We have, hey, Leviticus chapter 19 verse 18, that we should love our neighbor as
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ourself. So it's like, hey, I'm giving you this new commandment, but it's not really new.
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It's always been something we've had. We've always had it from the beginning. Obviously,
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Cain kills Abel is a concept that's illustrating something that's wicked and wrong. Cain should
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have loved his brother, but he didn't. And we should have learned from that. We learned
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from the Levitical law. We learned from all these examples. But sometimes things need
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to be emphasized. And think about it this way. What if in our church something happened?
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Somebody did something weird. Like someone gets up and just draws on the wall.
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Someone just gets up and just gets like a big red sharpie and just draws something on the wall.
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And then I get up and I say, all right, we have a new rule in the church, no drawing on the
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wall. But guess what? It's not new. It was always the case that you shouldn't draw on the wall.
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Okay. So it's not like, hey, we're now just coming up with this new idea, this new concept.
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It's just like, well, this should have always been the idea. And that's how the law itself
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was. It was added because of transgressions. God wasn't saying like, okay, now we're gonna
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love our brother. But before we weren't, it's just like, hey, I'm trying to remind you guys,
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we should have always been loving our brother. We had this from the beginning.
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This is always the concept, always the principle, always the idea, always what
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should have been done. But yet sometimes you have a new rule, but it wasn't like, oh, so now
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we don't draw on the walls. No, we should have never drawn on the walls. It's just now we're
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bringing it to your attention and we're making it clear that they new rule, don't do this. Okay.
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Go with the first Corinthians chapter 10. Go to first Corinthians chapter number 10.
1 Corinthians 10 chapter mention
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So you understand that the Bible, while it's given in time and while certain instructions
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maybe have a human origin or a point where we can look at it first being delivered,
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doesn't mean that that idea, concept, rule, or idea starts at that point. In some cases,
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it's always been the case. It's always been the rule. It's always been what should have been done.
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It's just being emphasized at a particular point in history. Okay. So it's like, hey,
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what should church look like? It should look like this. Not because we started it. It's
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these characteristics. We should always have, you know, a man getting up and preaching the Bible.
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That's not new. We should always be using these scriptures and these verses. It's not new.
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You know, we're not trying to get to the new King James. Okay. But it's like,
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hey, was there a point in time where we switched to English? Yeah, that was new,
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but we weren't really using a new scripture or new verses. We were still using the same
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Hebrew and we were still using the same Greek. We're still using the same words,
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the same concept, the same ideas, same principles, even though it may have been in English for the
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first time. There would have been a point in history where there was the first time ever
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that a church service was done in English and reading English scriptures.
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That obviously happened at some point in time, but were they preaching new commandments
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and new ideas? No, they're still preaching the same Bible, the same words,
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same concepts, same everything. And all the stories of the Old Testament,
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what the Bible says about them is they were supposed to teach us lessons. You know,
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people will say, oh, you have to understand the historical context or was that was for them back
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then, or, you know, that's instructions for the Old Testament. But what does the Bible actually
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say about the Old Testament? It says in verse number 11, now all these things happen under
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them for in samples and they are written for those people back then and not for us.
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No. What does it say? And they are written for our admonition upon whom the ends of the world
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are come. Now in verse two, it brings up Moses. In verse five, it brings up the wilderness.
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And this is written to a first century Greek population. He's saying, hey, all that stuff
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that happened with Moses, that's for you as a Greek citizen of a Greek world with a Greek
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culture in the first century, thousands of years later, it was written for you. Why? Because
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there's no new thing under the sun. Because all the same life situations and all the same life
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circumstances and all the same chorus and day things and abirams and all the same errands
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and all the different golden calf ideas and all the same fairs, all the stories are going to
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be the same situations we find ourselves in today. And it's emphasizing, think about this,
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Exodus. It's like, how do I know in the first century how to handle myself? How do I know what to do?
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Well, we've got to figure out what the people believe right now. We need a magisterium. We need
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a group of people that have binding authority. We need some normative authority today to tell
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us what's right and wrong. No, he says, go back and look at Exodus. Go read the story
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about Moses and that's how you know what to do. Oh, well, how am I supposed to go back
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and interpret that and understand that? Guess what? You have the Holy Spirit, which will guide
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you into all truth. Hey, when you get saved, you have the Bible and the Bible should be telling you
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what to do, not historical precedent, not tradition, not what some current magisterium
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or council or some group of elders are going to tell you. No, no, no. Whatever the Bible says,
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that is always the right thing. Let's point back to that. That was written for them,
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not just for them. It was written for us. Okay. I want to go to Ecclesiastes and I'll read the
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verse. I know I just quoted it a little bit, but let's just read it too before we move on. But
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this is an important concept for you to realize that we follow what the Bible says over
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what any human authority says now, what any tradition has had, whatever any historical
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precedent it is, we elevate the scripture above that. And we believe that every single person
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that is saved has the ability to know everything. Every single person that is saved has the ability
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to know anything because the Holy Ghost is living inside of them and the Holy Ghost is
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capable of guiding them into all truth. And they need not that any man teach them.
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Now that being said, while you're capable doesn't mean you're always necessarily exercising that
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capability. So therefore coming to church and having pastors and teachers and evangelists
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and other brethren to help you and to guide you, you know, in addition to or help you
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is good. You don't need it, but it's helpful. It's like technically I could swim, but you know,
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if you're out on the sea, you're out in the ocean, a lot of times they want you to have a life jacket
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on just in case. It's like I don't technically need it, but boy, I'm not going to turn it down
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if I fell off the boat. It's like it's nice to have a life jacket. It's like sometimes
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there's things that aren't quote needful, but they're still helpful. It's like technically
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I don't need every single thing I eat and drink to survive, but boy, it's real helpful. Okay.
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It's like technically I don't even need necessarily all the clothes or all of the luxuries I have
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in my life. You know, I could, I could probably live in a shack and still survive,
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but you know what? It's real helpful having air conditioning. It's real helpful having
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other accommodations in my life. So we don't want to sit here and say, oh, well, you're saying we
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don't need church or we shouldn't have church or churches and helpful. No, no, church is a huge
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thing that we need and it's very helpful, but you don't technically need it to learn anything
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in the Bible. You could learn it all on your own. Isn't this true about even education
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itself? Let's just take all education. You could technically read any textbook. You could read
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any information. You could learn calculus on your own. You could learn physics on your own,
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but you know what? Going to a classroom, having a teacher break things down,
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explain why they understand information, showing you how to do calculations on the
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board is helpful. It'd be silly to sit here and say, well, I could technically learn this on
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my own. So I'm just never going to learn from anybody else rather than just fast forwarding
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your knowledge, fast forwarding your information cycle by having good teachers. That's the whole
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point of a teacher. The teachers are trying to help you get there quicker. It's not that you
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couldn't get there. It's like, technically I could walk from my house to church today. I could
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technically do it, but you know what? The car was real helpful. All right? It got me there
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a lot quicker, a lot quicker, okay? Because I drive that thing fast, okay? And here's the
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thing. It's just like technically you can do lots of things, but that doesn't mean you
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don't want to have helpful guides along the way. It's just like, oh, well, I don't need church,
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okay? Sure. You don't technically need it in the context of you could learn anything on your own
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with the Holy Ghost in your Bible, but let me tell you something. A lot of people
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are fast-tracking their information, their knowledge from church. Not only that,
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obviously the Bible commands us to not forsake this everything of ourselves together as the man
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of some is. The Bible obviously says that church was purchased by the blood of Jesus Christ
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and while you could technically do it, most people won't. Just like, hey, I could technically walk
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from my house to church, but if that was what I needed to do to get here, I probably wouldn't go.
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Most people just probably wouldn't go. And the thing is, most people, while they're capable
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of learning everything in the Bible, they're probably just not going to do it though. They're
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probably just not going to study every single section and every single thing. And we all have
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different perspectives. We all have different outlooks. We all have personal biases
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that sometimes hinder us from coming to that unity and coming to that knowledge.
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And so it's helpful to have those guides and those teachers and those pastors.
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So you know what? God wants us to constantly congregate together. He wants us to have
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people that have studied the Bible thoroughly, that are filled with the Spirit of God,
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that are following God closely to lead us and to guide us and to teach us the Bible.
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And I guarantee if you go to a church like ours three times a week, 52 weeks out of the year,
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you're going to learn something that you didn't already know. You're going to be reminded of
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something you forgot. There's going to be something added to. I don't think everyone
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that comes here is just like, already got it. Already knew everything. Already could,
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you know, teach the teacher. And if you're so great, then let's send you out and you
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can start teaching the world. Okay? If you've already got it all locked down, then okay, let's
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sign you up, right? Because that would be the goal. If we had young men that learned the
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whole Bible, know everything, it can quote the whole text and they're just, they're just on fire.
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Well, let's send you out, buddy. I don't want to hold you back. But you know,
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the reality is a lot of people aren't doing that, are they? So hey, let's have church.
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Please ask the chapter one, verse nine. The Bible says the thing that I've been,
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it is that which shall be, and that which is done, is that which shall be done,
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and there is no new thing under the sun. Now I want to make it clear what I believe about
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this particular verse. I don't think it's saying that there won't be technology. I don't think
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that it's saying that a certain practice idea or situation couldn't fall out of style or have
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long periods of time where it's not happening. But essentially what it's trying to communicate
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is that any situation, any circumstance, any kind of just event that we would see,
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there's probably been an exact replica of that at some point in the past. Maybe not in the
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recent past, but there's going to be somewhere you could point to and say, hey, technically
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this same situations happened before. Technically, there's been an example of this
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that we could point to and look at and draw parallels, draw inspiration, draw information
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about that people are finding themselves in the same situations. Go to second chronicles,
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chapter number 30. Go to second chronicles, chapter number 30. And I want to show you,
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this is an important verse from my perspective on understanding a lot of doctrines. One would
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be specifically church history itself. Now a lot of people will say, oh, I can't be a Baptist
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because their church history disappears after the Protestant Reformation. Who's ever heard
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arguments like this? Or they say, oh, your church didn't start until Martin Luther started it or
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something, or your church didn't start until John Smith, the first Baptist, or your church didn't
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start until Roger Williams, or your church didn't start until Jack Hiles, or your church didn't
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start until Pastor Stephanie Anderson. I mean, they'd pick all different timelines, right?
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They'd say, all right, your church didn't start until five seconds ago. You know,
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you don't have this historical precedent, and you don't have this authority structure,
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and you don't have this successionism. But just because someone might have been more
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historically having some kind of succession doesn't prove that they're right,
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doesn't prove that it's good, and sometimes you have to go back to a previous teaching,
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a previous understanding, and what do we appeal back to? Whatever is written.
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Now, just to give an example, this Second Chronicles chapter 30, lurk at verse five,
2 Chronicles 30 chapter mention
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this is Hezekiah. So they established a decree to make proclamation throughout all Israel from
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Bersheba even to Dan, that they should come to keep the Passover to the Lord God of Israel at
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Jerusalem, for they had not done it of a long time, and such sort, notice this, as it was
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written. So what is the Bible saying? They're going to perform the Passover,
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and their historical precedent, their tradition, has not been doing it for a long time
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as it was written. So then Hezekiah is like, okay, we're going to perform the Passover this year
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differently. It's going to be new, but it's not new because it's old. It's not new because
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it's what was written. It's not new because it was what we had from the beginning. So it's
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back and say, hey, we're going to do this new. So you could have a big stretch of time, a big
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period where they were not doing it right, and now we're going to do it right. So let's just,
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for sake of argument, let's just pretend that there was no one doing church right
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in the 14th century or for 500 years or 1,000 years. It doesn't even matter because at the
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end of the day, if you're not doing it as it's written, you need to go back to what the
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Bible says. Now, I don't personally think that there's just no Christians and no saved people
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and no churches from the first century until the 15th or 16th century. Okay, I don't believe that,
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but even if that was true, even if you just totally said, yep, didn't even exist for 1,000
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years, well, it's still the right thing to do is to go back to what was written. It doesn't
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even matter. It's an argument that doesn't technically matter by biblical principles.
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It does not matter even if there was a skip. I don't even believe in the skip necessarily,
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fully, but if you understand a lot about church history or you see it really ebbs and flows
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and there's a lot of different things going on, but Roman Catholics will try to pretend like
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we don't exist or we just came out of thin air. We're just like the Mormons or we're just like
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the Muslims, but here's the problem. The Mormons aren't going back to what was written.
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The Muslims aren't going back to what was written. They are novel.
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Okay, and the Roman Catholic Church doesn't go back to what was written. They go back
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only to like around the 300, 380, 80 period. Okay, so they might be older, but they're still
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novel because they're not going back to what was written. They're post what was written,
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and they are the ones that invented stuff, and they're the ones that are wrong. Now,
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let's talk about this, you know, from a doctrinal perspective. I believe that Christ
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rose again or was crucified, I guess, April 6 of 30 AD. Some people say 33 AD and some other
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timelines, but I think it was 30 AD. That's my timeline. So you could argue that at his resurrection
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and then presenting himself to the disciples, this is the formation of the New Testament church.
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You have basically a church in Jerusalem with Peter as their observable, visible leader
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of this group. The 120 disciples are meeting together. Peter there. Peter seems to be a
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leader, and so you have this church that's basically formed and started and continuing,
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and that's kind of like the first New Testament church we have in the world. Okay, around the 30
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AD, that is the timeline. Obviously, then you have more churches. You have the church in Antioch
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that kind of gets formed. That's where they're first called Christians. Then you have the
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Apostle Paul being sent out of the church Antioch, and he's going and getting people saved in
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areas, where it's basically 100% pagan, 100% heathen. You have kind of just a small synagogue
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group, and then virtually everybody else is just this pagan heathen, and it's going into the
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synagogues, getting people saved there, and mostly Gentiles, and that's forming churches.
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They start forming these churches in all kinds of different areas, like the church at Corinth,
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like the church at Ephesus, like the church in Galatia, and sometimes multiple churches.
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You have people like Achilla and Priscilla having churches in their home, as the Bible
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describes, and so you have all these churches being formed by the Apostle Paul in the first
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entry. These are great churches. They're apostolic churches or whatever you want to call them.
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But obviously, after Paul's ministry, you can see that some churches have already
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started to have serious problems. You have churches like the one that's mentioned in
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Second John, I'm sorry, Third John, where you have deotrophies hijacking the church.
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You have examples of the Galatian church having had infiltrators come in and Paul's afraid that
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no one's even saved there in this particular church, albeit we believe there are saved
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people. He's just kind of speaking in a very hyperbolic way. You have the churches in Asia,
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the seven churches in Asia, you have one that has a name that lives and is dead,
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Sardis. You have Ephesus, which is in risk of losing its candlestick and just basically
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being extinguished in a sense. The Apostle Paul's warning in the book of Acts, when he takes the
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elders to Ephesus and brings them together, he's like, hey, I've warned you night and day with
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tears for like three years about all of the false prophets and all the wolves are going to
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come in and there's going to be people drawing away disciples after themselves.
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So we see corruption already in that first century. So by the end of the first century,
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there would have been a mixed bag of churches. There would have been some that are still good,
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hanging on the church at Philadelphia. Then you got churches like Sardis that are already dead.
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You have possible churches that have been hijacked by bad actors like deotrophies.
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You have so you can kind of have this mixed bag even in the first century.
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But also at the same time, the Roman Empire started really putting a lot of persecution on
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churches in the end of the first century and into the second century and even the beginning
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part of the third century. Okay. So for a couple hundred years, the Roman Catholics were,
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I'm sorry, not the Roman Catholics, the Roman Empire was heavily persecuting the church,
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heavily attacking churches and you already had a mixed bag. So what would I believe?
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I would believe that you have similar things that we have today in the sense that you have
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some good churches, some bad churches and all kinds of mixes in between.
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Well, eventually Emperor Constantine and 313 AD legalized Christianity because it was so
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persecuted for such a long time, but he eventually claims he saw vision and
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he legalizes Christianity. Okay. This is where you kind of see maybe the beginning
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of the formation of what we call the Roman Catholic Church, because before all the churches
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are kind of disconnected. They're all just independent churches. They're all doing their own
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things. Some are good, some are bad. Isn't that similar? We have independent Baptist churches
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today. They're all independent. We don't have a domination. Now, albeit it was more even
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underground at that time just because of the persecution. It finally became legalized.
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So they finally have a meeting in 325 AD. So they realize, hey, we've been fragmented.
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It's been illegal. We can't meet and the open is easily. So now that it's legal, we can finally
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have a meeting. So they have the Council of Nicaea and this is what a lot of people point
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to is like, oh, the first ecumenical council and the drawing church leaders from everywhere.
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Now imagine if we got today a group of every church leader today. We got somebody from
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the Episcopal Church and the Roman Catholic Church. We got someone from a Presbyterian
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Church and a Lesbaterian Church and United Methodist Church. And we got us all together
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and we said, all right, we have to write a document that we all agree on. How good of
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a document do you think that's going to be? Basically, it's going to have to be so basic
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that we can all agree to it. And it's like, that's basically what they produce for the most
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part at the Council of Nicaea is they produce like the most basic document you
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could possibly think of. It's just like, hey, God exists and Jesus exists. Now, again,
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most of the controversy was because some people in Egypt, some people in Africa were teaching
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that Jesus was a created being. And so they're basically like, well, we can't go that far,
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you know, like they weren't United Methodist that bad yet. Okay. They're just like, well,
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we have to at least admit that Jesus is God. Okay. So again, at the Council of Nicaea,
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they all affirm that Jesus is God and they're kind of condemning the idea that Jesus
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is a created being. And today we still have cult groups like the Mormons and other groups
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that will deny Jesus Christ's divinity. The Unitarians of today will still deny that Jesus
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Christ is God. They would say he's a created being in a weird, awkward way. So
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this is again, this idea of like, oh, we're getting all together. We're creating this
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denominational idea by 380 AD. So within about a 70 year period of time and one generation,
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they finally make Christianity the official state religion of the Roman Catholic Church.
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So think about it from this perspective, we get every single Christian together in America and
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all of the world and they all come together and make a doctrinal statement. And then
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several decades pass and we decide we're just going to make Christianity the official
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religion of America again or whatever. What kind of Christianity do you think they would
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create? You think it'd be like our version or our style? No, of course not. So again,
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this is like basically when the Roman Catholic Church is formed and in order to have the entire
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nation, I mean, think about it. We had to get every single person in America on board with
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Christianity right now. What do you think is going to sell? Do you think our brand,
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our version is going to sell? Or do you think a more like culturally mixed in
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version is going to sell? And of course, that's what's going to sell, which is bringing along
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with it all kinds of baggage like graven images, like idolatry, like a lot of pagan weird practices
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and stuff. So again, that's what's being formed here at this point in time is this
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very ecumenical, very worldly, very pagan state run church that is kind of being formed at
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300 in AD. This is not a movement of the spirit of God. This is not, you know, Christ doesn't
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work this way of just forcing the government, force everyone to be Catholic or whatever.
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And again, Catholic means the universal church. So they're just like everybody's coming together.
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So I'm just trying to give you a little bit of church history, some idea of how these things
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form. But I want you to go to Romans chapter four, if you would go to Romans chapter
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four, so let's say, oh, well, the new IV is a later development than this formation of this
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Roman Catholic Church. But here's the thing, the Roman Catholic Church doesn't form,
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but for like 300 years after the New Testament churches have been formed and you have the
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Apostle Paul giving doctrine, you don't think in 300 years doctrines could have gone astray or
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like weird practices could have crept in or that there's issues or problems. Of course,
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there's going to be. Okay. But when it comes to our doctrine as a church, you know, we're not
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looking back to, well, what did they teach in 300 in AD when we have a state run religion?
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You know, we're looking at, we're looking at first century. We're not looking at the
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third or fourth century. We're looking at, hey, what did they teach in the first century?
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Why? Because things can go corrupt, things can go bad. We want to do things as they were written.
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Romans chapter number four, look at what it says in verse 23.
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Now it was not written for his sake alone that it was imputed to him, but for us also to whom it
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shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead,
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who is delivered for our offenses and raised again for our justification. So here's the thing,
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if I want to learn, how do I get saved? What do we believe as a church? What should our
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church have as its doctrine? Do I go back to 300 in AD and figure out what the ecumenical councils
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believe or what the Nicene Creed is or anything? No. You know what I'm going to do? I'm going to go
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back to what the scripture says and say, hey, this is what I should believe. And think about
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the context of Romans chapter number four. What was written? Well, look at verse one.
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What shall we say then that Abraham our father? So what's the timeline here? We're going all
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the way back to Abraham and saying what was written about Abraham was written for us right now in the
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first century. Why would I then say that us living in the 21st century, why wouldn't we go back to
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Abraham? Not only that, in verse six, even as David also described the blessings of the man
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and Jim God imputed the righteous without works. So it's like, oh, you guys believe
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salvation is by faith, but the Roman Catholic church has never taught that. That's fine
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because y'all started teaching this in 380 AD. I'm going back to the first century.
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I'm going back to the time of David. I'm going back to the time of Abraham. And guess what? We're
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older than you. Our theology, our doctrine on salvation by faith is older than you. Oh, well,
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it's new. It's novel. I don't believe that because here's the thing. Salvation is by faith
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to faith. So there's always been saved people getting people saved throughout every generation,
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throughout every area. Now, did they always have a great church to go to?
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Well, let's just answer that question right now. Is everywhere in the world have a great
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church to go to? So then why would I think that it was different in the past? That's never
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been the case. We go to all kinds of parts of the world where they're like, all right,
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what church should I go to? And you're like, I don't know, man. I have people contact
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to me all the time reaching out to me, emailing me. I'm talking to people on podcasts. I'm talking
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to people on the radio shows, on, you know, internet podcasts. They're just like, what church
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are good to? And I'm like, I don't know, man, godresearch.com slash churches. That's that's
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all I can point you to. In fact, many times they're just like, I just, I don't want to go
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to a Zionist church. And I'm just like, well, then you're really doomed. You know, like,
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if you're not willing to hold your nose at that, you really don't have much of an option in many
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places of this world. You know, a lot of people that live in foreign countries and foreign areas,
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I mean, think about it. You live in a Muslim area. If you live in China, if you live in North Korea,
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I mean, there's some dark places in this world where there may not be a great church option
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or it may be an underground church option. You know, I know that there are churches that
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are underground in China. I know there are churches that are underground in Muslim areas.
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And, you know, it's not much different than a lot of people probably in the second and the
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third century. They, their best church option might have been underground. And you know,
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throughout the campaign of the Roman Catholic Church, there was probably a lot of underground
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churches. You're like, how come we never heard about it? It's called it's underground. It's
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like that meme. I love this meme template. It's like the black guy is like turning back
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and he's like shooting someone. And then he turns around and looks at the mic and they're
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like, hey, it's like the Roman Catholic is turning back and shooting all the Christians.
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And then he's like, where were y'all? He's just like, yeah, I wonder where they were,
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you know, when you're killing us. Okay. And he's like, where are we being killed?
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It's so funny that we're like, you guys didn't exist. And it's like, what about all the people
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that you killed for believing like we did? Right, you didn't exist. No, you killed us.
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It's like, where were you? The guy on the stake, the guy being burned, the guy being,
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you know, martyred, this group being slaughtered. It's like, where were you being killed?
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It's not that we didn't exist. It's just you keep pointing to all these examples,
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all these heretics, you know, all these heretics that we had to kill.
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It's just like, well, you know, actually, maybe they weren't a heretic. Maybe you're
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the heretic. It's like, oh, we already conquered this heresy. This is what Roman
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and Catholics will say. All these people are bringing up these ancient heresies. And it's like,
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five seconds ago, you said we didn't believe this. No one's believed this. And then it's like,
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oh, you're digging up ancient heresies. Which one is it? Are we going back to things that people
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believe in the past? Are we not? Did we exist? Did we not exist? Did you kill us? Did you
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not kill us? You know, and again, they don't want to really talk about that too much because
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the facts are they've killed a lot of Christians throughout history. You want to know who's
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been one of the biggest forces against Christians? It's called the Roman Catholic Church.
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You know, we always want to talk about how Muslims are so scary. We always want to talk about
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how Jews are so scary. But I wonder what the death toll is if we compared Muslims, Jews,
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and then we had Catholics on another side. Like, who's killed more Christians? And there's all
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these people like, oh, we need, we need white people to rescue us. Well, you know what,
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there's a lot of white people in Europe called Roman Catholics that were slaughtering
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Christians throughout history. So it's like, oh, let's give back our nation,
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our country to Catholics. You may be signing your own death warrant, buddy.
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And not even realizing it. I got a little bit of attention this last week for smashing some,
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I didn't even do it. I let the kids do it. Okay. Smash a bunch of idols. And it seems
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really fitting that our first person up here was Roman to destroy the Roman Catholic Church.
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You know what I mean? Like, that can't be a coincidence. Okay. But in the wake of all this,
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you know, I've had so many just emails and just so many voicemails and just all people saying this
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online. And I mean, some of them there's like, I can't wait to kill you. I can't wait to curbstomp
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you. We need to kill all the people that believe like you. And I'm just thinking like,
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you sound just like the Roman Catholic Church. Historically. I mean, there's openly admitting
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it. That's how they feel. You, you destroy a ceramic structure that they claim is Mary
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and they want to murder you. Think about it. I'm offensive for destroying a ceramic
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structure. And they want to kill me. Like it's unacceptable to destroy a graven image,
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but it's acceptable to just kill someone. Right. Think about that logic. Think about it. And
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they're like, you guys are so violent. Okay. So I'm breaking stone. I'm breaking glass or
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ceramic and you're going to kill people and I'm violent, right? That's their logic. They're
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like, Oh, you're so unloving. You're not peaceful. I'm like, bro, you're the one trying to curbstomp
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me. You're the one wanting to kill us all. It's just like they don't even understand their own
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logic. Okay. Cause they're Catholic, of course. It's like, Hey, what should we do? We should
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believe whatever the Bible said and look salvation by faith is even if it was a new
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doctrine in the Protestant Reformation, it's not new. It's an old doctrine. It's an old
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belief. And of course it's not new because there's always people believing it every century,
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every year. It's like, where were they being killed? I mean, William Tyndale is being killed
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at the stake and one of his first crimes associated to him or within the sentencing,
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they're like, what they're saying, why they're killing them. They're saying,
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first, he maintained that faith alone justifies. It's like, Amen. Sounds great.
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And of course, some people say like, Oh, well, he's a Calvinist. I don't really care,
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because if he believes in faith alone, he saved. And look, faith alone didn't come out of a vacuum.
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It's been passed on from generation, from faith to faith, from faith to faith.
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It went from Abraham to David to the apostle Paul to us. It's always gone throughout history.
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We have it. And oh, well, they weren't doing things exactly right in the 16th century,
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just like you. Okay. Well, we're doing things as they're written.
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You know, you can keep getting better. You can keep improving. You can keep improving.
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You can keep revising. You know, if we believe, you know, if the Reformation idea is right,
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then why would you stop performing after one iteration? Wouldn't the idea be like,
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Hey, if we're going to reform, let's just keep performing and reforming and reforming
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and reforming until we get it right. Not just like, Hey, one iteration.
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I don't want to be the Anglican church where we're just like one slight dial to the right
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of the Catholic church. I don't want to be just slightly not Catholic.
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It's like, Oh, the Anglican church, we just don't accept the Pope.
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It's like, I wanted a few more notches turned. Okay. There's a lot more that we could have been
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like, let's change. Let's get right on this particular issue. That's why a lot of Protestants
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are just Catholic light because they just kind of like, ah, we're going to change this
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to hair. It's just like, no, we need to change a lot. Okay. We need to get things right
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and dialed in. Now I have a lot more verses that we could go to Acts chapter 19 if you would,
Acts 19 chapter mention
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you know, in Jeremiah 6, 16, the Bible says,
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Thus say the Lord standing in the ways and see and ask for the old paths,
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wearing is the good way and walk there and you shall find rest your souls.
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So in a sense, we should be constantly asking like, okay, well, what was
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the Bible saying? What is the old path in that sense?
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And so we want to be newly doing the old stuff. We want to be newly believing the old stuff.
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We want to be newly practicing the old stuff. And look, our practices as Baptist
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all predate that 380 idea because they're right here in the text. Salvation by faith was taught
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in the first century and baptism by immersion was taught in the first century. We can see in
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Matthew 3, 16, Jesus coming up out straight way out of the water. We can see in Acts 8, 37,
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that they went down both into the water. Why are you going into the water if you just need to
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sprinkle? And of course, then a lot of Bibles will take that verse out. The Roman Catholics don't
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like that verse. They want to de-emphasize those kinds of verses because it's also a
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prerequisite to getting baptized. It's if they'll believe this with all thine heart
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thumbiest. And so we believe that baptism is after salvation and that you must have faith
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so we don't baptize babies. We don't baptize infants. We don't sprinkle. All of our practices
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are based on Acts, which is before your stupid pagan cult of 380 AD.
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Not only that, our practices, like I said, baptism by immersion
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is taught in the Scripture preaching out of the Old and New Testament. We can see that
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as precedent in the Bible. Going out by twos is taught by Jesus Christ in Luke 10, verse 1.
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Meeting on the first day of the week is Acts chapter 20, verse 7.
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Singing hymns, Colossians 3, verse 16. You look at our churches like, what are we doing
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that is not somewhere in this text? Right? We're meeting on the first day of the week.
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We're singing hymns. I'm preaching long like Paul out of the Old and New Testament.
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I'm reasoning out of the Scriptures as the Apostle Paul did. Later, we're going to go out two by two,
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preaching the gospel. If some will want to be baptized, we would ask, hey, do you believe in
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Jesus Christ? And then we're going to fully submers them and then we're going to bring
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them back out. Like what are we magically doing that's not found in the text? They want to
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do something I'm doing. Show me something that we're practicing that is new.
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Well, you're smashing idols. Not new.
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Acts chapter 19, look at verse 17. First,
Acts 19 chapter mention
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and this is known to all the Jews and Greeks also dwelling in Ephesus and fear fell on them all.
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And the name of the Lord Jesus is magnified and many that believe came and confessed and
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showed their deeds. Many of them also which use curious arts brought their books together
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and burned them before all the men, or before all men. And they counted the price of them and
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found it 50,000 pieces of silver. So mightily grew the word of God and prevailed. Hey, in the
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first century, they're burning books. Oh, you burn false Bibles. Yeah, I do. Guilty as charged.
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But you know what? Let's go back to Leviticus chapter 26. Let's go even older.
Leviticus 26 chapter mention
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Not only do we have a practice of them burning books in the New Testament,
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you know, we have we have practices of them not only burning books, but also
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smashing graven images based on what the Bible says. Now it used to be, it used to be that if
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you wanted to get a graven image, you had to go to a Catholic bookstore. Who remembers Catholic
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bookstores? Yeah, when I was younger, you know, you went to the Christian bookstore. You know,
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it was not in there a bunch of graven images. And you went into the Catholic bookstore.
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It was like no books in all graven images. I mean, I remember there was a Catholic bookstore
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by the mall where I went when I was in high school in junior high that you could see. And
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then basically all the Catholic bookstores went out of out of business because the
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Mardels and all the different Christian bookstores just started bringing all the
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Catholic stuff into their stores. They started having a Catholic section.
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It used to be there was not the Catholic stuff in the Christian bookstores.
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Then all of a sudden it was a Catholic section. Now it's just all mixed in. You can't even tell
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what's what anymore. And it's just been totally just compromised. Why? Because of the love of money.
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Why? Because they just want to maximize their revenue and maximize the revenue and just
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make it seem like we're all non-denominational now or whatever. The non-denominational era
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that we live in today. But let me tell you something that has not always been the case
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and Christians have not always accepted graven images. Leviticus chapter 26, look at verse
Leviticus 26 chapter mention
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one. You should make you know idols, nor graven image. Go to Deuteronomy 4. We're going to go
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kind of quickly through some of these but go to Deuteronomy chapter 4. Now this is
Deuteronomy 4 chapter mention
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some of the argument you'll hear and I've heard this week is they'll say things like,
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oh well you don't even know what a graven image is.
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And then they proceed to not tell you what it is. Okay? It's like it seems pretty self
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explanatory. Someone graved it and it's an image? Like is that you know it's usually out of wood or
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stone? You know that's pretty much what the Bible says. I don't think it takes a rocket science
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to figure out what a graven image is. Okay? And obviously the idea of an idol is just
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something that we're worshiping, have some kind of a religious connotation.
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You know I've consistently taught and this is just my practical interpretation of this
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is that if something doesn't have a utility, okay, it doesn't have some kind of utility,
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then it would be in my view in danger of being a graven image. Okay? So a toy, I don't believe
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is a graven image because there's the utility it's being used. You know if it's an airplane
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and they paint it like a bird that's not a graven image because it has utility.
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You weren't using it to fly around. Okay? But if the only thing you're doing is just
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putting on a shelf and kneeling before it or you're putting it in church to kneel before it or
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whatever, that's not utility. That's not being used. It's just used to be observed, adored,
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looked at. Okay? Well now it's in danger of being a graven image that's in violation of the
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Bible. So I've always said, hey, if it's not graven, if it's not a grape, like it's not
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something that's been literally graved, it's not some kind of a 3D carved structure that's
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out of wood or stone, you know, and we can say plastics and ceramics, but I'm just saying
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it's not some kind of a graven image. And if it has no utility, okay, you know, these are
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kind of my litmus tests. Obviously a doll is not a graven image. It's a doll. Okay? And it's used
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as a toy. I don't think pictures are necessarily a graven image. Okay? There's nothing wrong
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with a picture. But wait a minute. What if we all start bowing down to the picture?
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Now it's turned into an idol. Okay? So we shouldn't have idols or graven images. Okay? So anything
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that we venerate, even if it wasn't technically a graven image, but we're all bowing down to it,
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what if it's just a rock? But we all start bowing down to the rock. Okay? Now it's become an idol
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and we're going to, we're going to toss that aside. Okay? If it's a voodoo doll,
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well, we're going to get rid of that. Okay? We're going to get rid of something that
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you're venerating, that you're venerating. That's what that, we're not, we're not
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worshiping it. We're venerating it. Dude, the word worship means kneel. They are kneeling before
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Mary's and they are giving a place in their heart to idolatry for this. Okay? Which the
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Bible doesn't do. It's like, oh, well, you don't respect Mary. You don't respect the mother of God
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or something. It's like, okay, let's just think about interactions Jesus had with Mary.
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All right? Woman, what have I to do with thee? Is that, was that respectful? Okay? Hey, your mother
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and your brother in desire to see thee. And he says, what does he say? Oh, well, whoever does the
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word of God, that's my mother, my brother. My mother, my brother, are they which hear the
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word of God and do it? Luke chapter number eight. Hey, this is your mom. Nope, these are my mom.
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Oh, you disrespect the mother of God. You know what? To disrespect the mother of God,
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we disrespect any saved lady. Okay? And look, Mary is not a statue. She's a person.
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I could smash every single graven image of Mary and it has nothing to do with Mary.
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You can call up Mary all day long, but it's not Mary. She's not there. It's not her. And
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actually you're doing her some service because if any of you make a graven image of me and
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start worshiping it, I want you to smash it. I want to smash it. They're like,
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eh, do you smash images of your mom? And I'm like, well, first of all, I don't have any.
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Secondly, no one's like bowing down to them. But yeah, if someone made a carved image of my mother
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and it looked exactly like her and then people start bowing down and worshiping it,
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I will smash it. They're like, oh, you wouldn't do this if it was a Jesus.
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Yes, I would because it's not Jesus. They're like, oh, what would you do if someone gave you a Jesus?
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I'm like, I'll smash it right now. Give me one. I was like, what kind of a, oh, what about these
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big giant statues in South America? Burn them. Crush them. I don't want anything to do with them.
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Yeah, but they're of God. You know, we can have graven images of the good guys.
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Not the bad guys. Well, let's read what the Bible actually says. Okay.
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Do it on me, chapter four, and let's look at verse number 14.
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And the Lord commanded me at that time to teach you statues and judgments that you might do them
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in the land, whether you go over to possess it. Take heed therefore, good heed under yourselves
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for you saw no manner of similitude on the day that the Lord spake unto you in
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horror out of the midst of the fire. So what did they not see? They did not see God.
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He's like, Hey, you didn't see any similitude. You didn't get to see me. Okay. He was covered.
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There was a cloud covering. They didn't get to see God. They didn't get to see the similitude.
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Why? Verse 16, lest you corrupt yourselves and make you a graven image. He said, Hey,
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even if you made an image of me, it's wrong. Oh, this is an image of God. So therefore it's
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okay. The image represents God. No, God saying, I made sure you didn't see me so that you
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wouldn't do it because you're not allowed to do it. You shouldn't be making graven images of God.
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Because they'll say, Oh, to disrespect the image is to disrespect the person. False. That is not true.
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I mean, again, and let's just be honest, these images are not doing them service anyways.
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I mean, what if someone drew some cross-eyed weirdo freak and said, This is you because
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that's what the Orthodox do with Jesus. Look at their image of Jesus and it's some cross-eyed
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weirdo freak. He's like, Look, it's Jesus. It's like, No, that's not Jesus. That's not what he looks
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like. It's just some weird cross-eyed freak that we should just burn every image of.
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Oh, you don't, you don't want to have this cross-eyed Jesus. No, because he's not cross-eyed.
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Okay. He's got some obvious eye blemish with their stupid drawing of him and it's false.
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And guess what? The person that draw didn't ever see Jesus.
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It's, it's stupid. It's false. You know, the Bible, go to second chronicles chapter 34. There's too
2 Chronicles 34 chapter mention
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many verses on this. There's so many examples. God said, You shall destroy their altars and
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break down their images and cut down their groves and burn their graven images with fire.
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The Bible says in Jun 12, You shall hew down the graven images.
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Oh, what Pastor Shelley did was new. It's not new. It's old.
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Yeah. Amen. That's right. And you know who did it? Josiah did it.
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Second chronicles chapter number 34. We have an example of someone doing this. Josiah.
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Why? Because, because of what was written. Oh, Josiah is new. He's doing something new. No,
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he's doing what God said for them to do at the time when they entered the land of Canaan.
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And of course, I believe they did it in the land of Canaan. I believe they did
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burn a lot of their graven images and crush them and destroy them.
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Oh, those are the bad guys. It doesn't matter who the guy is. God said not to make it.
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Oh, what about the cherrybim? Okay. But number one, they're not worshiping the jaribim.
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Okay. And it was usually hidden away and the temple and the things of God.
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But frankly speaking, God can say, don't make any graven image, but make this one.
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He can say that. He can say whatever he wants. Just like, what, what have your parents said?
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Hey, don't eat anything in the pantry, but get this one thing out of there.
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That's not a contradiction. If God says, Hey, I don't want anybody to make any of these
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graven images. But you know what? A couple of special people that got to see what was in heaven,
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I want you to make these specific things that have in my temple. Well, then, okay, he can do that.
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That's not a contradiction. That's just an exception that God's making up for himself.
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But you know what he didn't tell us to do? Make statues of Mary.
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And he's think when they did make the brazen serpent on the stick, once they
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started to whoring themselves after that, they immediately destroyed it.
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So even if you believe that you're supposed to make a Mary,
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the Catholics have whored themselves out to Mary, destroy it. Burn it with fire.
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Oh, wow. That's just mean to Catholics. We should be nice to Catholics.
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Well, you know what? Let all the other lame Christians be nice to them then.
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Seems like they're reaching none. It's like, oh, you're not going to reach Catholics
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with this message. Well, then let the lame people reach them. But isn't that not working
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as well? It's funny that when it criticized me for not reaching them, it's like,
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are you reaching them? Are they actually getting saved through what you're doing?
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It's silly to think like you're going to reach Catholics by lying to them,
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by pandering to their sin. Did the Apostle Paul pander to the Pagans and their idolatry
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or did he tell them to abandon it and they were worshiping idols of devils? They were
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sacrificing unto devils and they were having fellowship with devils and he's telling them
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have nothing to do with them and to totally abandon them. They're burning their books
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in the New Testament. Plus, I'm just following the president of Josiah. He was eight years old
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then when he was like basically 16, 17, 18 in that timeframe. He realizes we need to
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cleanse the land verse four and they break down the altars of Balaam in his presence and the
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images that were on eye above them. He cut down and the groves and the carved images
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and the molten images. He break in pieces. Oh, this one's not raven. It's molten.
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Okay. Break it too. Notice how it is. It's just like, hey, whether it was carved,
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whether it was molten, break them in pieces, make dust of them and strode it upon the graves of
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them that had sacrificed to them. Wow. That's intense. Not only, oh, this is disrespectful.
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Okay. Do you want me to then take the Mary trash and go sprinkle it in some Catholic graveyard?
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That's biblical. Okay. Sorry. Talk about disrespect. And he burnt the bones of the priests upon
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their altars and cleansed Judah and Jerusalem. Not only that, he's digging up this false prophets
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and just, just burning their bones or any bones that have been out, I guess, maybe they were
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honoring them. Oh, wait, that's the Orthodox church. Where you go to what, Athos or something?
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You go to St. Athos or something and they have like this skull collection,
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like a literal just shelves of skulls. And they're like, this was a saint. Burn it.
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I mean, here's a dead foot of John Chrysostom. Look, I did a debate with an Orthodox guy
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and I said, I had like this dead foot. Okay. And it wasn't real. It's just, you know, a prop.
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But I said, if this is John Chrysostom's foot and your church set it out, would you kiss it?
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And he's like, yes. So you go to the, yeah, we have the, we have, we have a cult,
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but they'll kiss dead feet. But it's covered in plastic. Okay.
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You're not going to kiss the bone directly. But would you? Yeah, that should be the real
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question. What about before plastics? What did they do? I mean, they say it's a schism.
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They're like, they're not real Orthodox, but there's groups of Orthodox that will
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pour water on the dead foot and then people come by, take water out of the fountain that's
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just been blessed by the dead foot and then drink it. And they're like, we don't do that,
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we just kiss it. Oh, okay. Wow. You're so much better. You know, and I'm crazy for
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destroying graven images. They're drinking dead foot water. They're kissing dead feet.
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And look, you know, in the Bible, there's, there's mentions of like the false prophets
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dirtying up water with their feet and then making people drink it. This is like, you're just like
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them because there's no new thing under the sun. I mean, think about the craziness of false prophets
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like, hey, let's put our dirty feet in water and make people drink it. Like, what in the world?
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This is the true religion. This is the real religion. Well, look, I, I'm not, I'm not
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novel and not wanting graven images. I'll give you a couple of quotes,
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Clement of Alexandria and about 150 to 250 AD. So this is like the second and third century here.
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He is quoted as saying, we express, we are expressly forbidden to practice a deceitful art
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for the prophet says thou shalt not make a likeness of anything that is in heaven above
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or in the earth beneath. The prophetic word refutes the custom of idolatry when it says,
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all the gods of the nations are images of demons, but God made the heavens.
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Tertullian, same timeline. He said, quote, the images of those things are idols. The
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consecration of the images is idolatry. God prohibits an idol as much
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to be made as to be worshiped. He's saying, oh, it's not just the worship, it's even just
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making it. Tertullian, that's before your 380 timeline. Yisubius of Caesarea,
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also before this timeline said, can it be that you have forgotten that passage in which God lays
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down the law that no likeness should be made, either of what is in heaven or what is in the
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earth beneath? Have you ever heard anything of the kind either yourself in church or from
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another person are not such things banished and excluded from churches all over the world?
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And it is not common knowledge that such practices are not permitted to us alone.
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Now here's the thing, in this quote from Yisubius, there was someone that was asking him, hey,
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make me an image of Christ, make me a graven image. And then he writes a letter back.
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And what he says is that are not such things banished and excluded from churches all over
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the world? He said, hey, this is from 260 to 340 AD that this guy lived, okay? I don't know
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exactly when this specific passage was written, but you would assume not when he was a baby,
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right? So it's very likely this was written at the timeline that this Roman Catholic Church
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is even having its prototype creation. This is when it's legalized. And he's saying, hey,
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no, we're not going to have carved images. Now who would want that? How about the Roman
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pagans that have had to convert to Christianity now? And they had all these graven images
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before and they want images again. And he said, no, churches don't have graven images.
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Have you forgotten the commandments? Have you forgotten what was written? Have you forgotten
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what God said? And now it's forbidden in churches all over the world? This is not something that
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we practice. You guys are new. No, we're going back to what was old. It is new. Well, you're
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breaking stuff. Well, that's not new. People have been breaking stuff all the time. And the
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eighth century, okay, I'll just give you a quick timeline. And I know I'm getting close
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to time on my sermon, but I'm not going to read all the quotes, but essentially for the first
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300 years, you don't have graven images because they're all right on this doctrine. So we don't
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have to worry. Like no one's smashing them because they don't exist. Then buy about the
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force. And once you finally get the Roman Catholic Church as the official state church,
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now the sudden idolatry is popping up. And then by the sixth and seventh century,
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it's flourishing. It's just everywhere. It's just part and parcel. So you have people
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that freak out about this. They get mad about this. Emperor Leo III, he sees some like natural,
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I want to say it differently. He sees some kind of just natural disaster or something
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that he attributes to God being mad about idolatry. Basically, there's something crazy
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happens and he's like, wow, God must be mad at us for all this idolatry. So he decides we
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need to clean up our Christianity from all this idolatry. So he banished icons and started
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destroying all the graven images throughout his empire and through the Byzantine empire.
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And this is called an iconoclasm period. Who's ever heard this term iconoclasm? That just means
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that it's like a period of time where they were destroying. And someone that destroys graven
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images is called an iconoclast. So I would be your iconoclast. Now people that love these
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things are called iconophiles. You know, like you have a pedophile. You have an iconophile.
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Because file, if you think about it, like Filayo Philadelphia means love. So whatever they say
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at the first is what they're loving. So pedo is child. That's why that's disgusting.
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Icon is the image. So it's an iconophile is someone who loves the iconoclast is someone that
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breaks someone that destroys. So it's just like, Hey, Pastor Shelley is an iconoclast because he
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destroys Roman is an iconoclast because he's destroying the images. Okay. So there's
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an a period of iconoclasm where you have people breaking graven images and Leo is doing this
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Emperor Leo the third. There was even a second wave. Now what was interesting is when he did this
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all the Catholics are freaking out and they call him a heretic. And then this is what they would
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call him a Muslim. They started calling him a Muslim and a Jew. It's funny because then,
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you know, I go on shows debating these people and you know what they call me a Muslim and a Jew.
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It's no new thing out of the sun. But he was of course a Christian. He never adhered to
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these false religions. He wanted to clean these things up based on the Old Testament,
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not based on Islam and not based on Judaism or anything like that. Okay. These are just
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false accusations. It's surprising. The same guy breaking images called a Muslim. And look,
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you look at my ex feed, you look at my post, it is just, you're a Muslim. You're a Muslim.
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You're just like Islam. You're just like Sharia. You're just like, no, I'm like the Old
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Testament. I'm like Josiah. Yeah, I'm doing that, which was written.
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There was a second wave under Emperor Leo the fifth and Zurich in the 1520s. Zwigli also images
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were removed and destroyed in the 15, in the 1500s. England under Edward the sixth also had
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orders to destroy images and 1566 there was widespread popular iconoclasm. In France and
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in Geneva, there are as many places where people were destroying images in the English
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Parliament in 1641. This is what they passed legislation in the English Parliament in 1641.
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All crucifixes, scandalous pictures of any one or more persons of the Trinity,
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and all images of the Virgin Mary shall be taken away and abolished and that all tapers,
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candlesticks and basins be removed from the communion table. Oh, you're just, you're
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going back to something that was old, destroy all those Virgin Mary statues. In 1643,
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they passed even more legislation about crucifixes, crosses, images and pictures of any more
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persons of the Trinity or the Virgin Mary that they were superstitious inscriptions
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and they should be taken away and defaced and no one should be permitted to do such a thing.
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It's just, oh, you're doing something new. I'm not doing anything new.
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Good act 17, good act 17. I'm going to finish. Look, destroying graven images didn't start with me
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and it's not going to be finished with me. And even if you go in the modern era,
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there are other people who could point to, you know, I've seen a video of a guy in Mexico City,
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Pastor Kevin Nguyen destroying Mary statues in Mexico City. Now look, what we did pales
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in comparison to the bravery of destroying a graven image. It is meaningless that we destroyed
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something. To destroy graven images in Mexico City is about as bold as you can get. Okay.
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That guy's a man. I'm just telling you. I mean, we got emails of death threats. This guy's getting
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like real death threats. Okay. In fact, there's even testimonies of people coming to the service
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trying to kill him potentially. So, you know, oh, Pastor Shelley, you know, came up with this
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idea. I didn't come up with this idea. Anybody that reads the Bible comes up with this
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idea. Anybody that believes the Bible would think, you know what? This is how we should
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behave ourselves. And you know what? In America, we need to get rid of these graven images.
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And you say, well, how do I know it's right or wrong? Do the councils told me it's okay?
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Well, I don't care what the council said. You know, we're supposed to, we're supposed to
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check everything. And you know, if you don't like something I do, look and check and see if
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it's in the Bible and then decide if you like it or don't like it. Look at Acts chapter 17
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verse 11. These were more noble than those in Thessalonica and that they received the word
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with all readiness of mind and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things or so.
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Here's the thing. We believe in the idea, a principle of Sola scripture, that scripture is
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the highest authority. That we don't put any man on that same level. Yes, the pastor has
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authority, but his authority is not above the Bible. Apostles authority is not above the
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Bible. Apostles are verified by the Bible and we should always be checked by the Bible.
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If it doesn't match the Bible, then we don't do it. And you know what? That gives us some safety.
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Oh, it's a cult. Well, wait a minute. We're saying this is what, this is right.
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And this is through the test of time. This goes back to David. This goes back to Abraham.
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This goes back to the Genesis. This goes back all the way from the beginning.
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And anything I say, even if it seems new, hopefully it's from the beginning, it's old.
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Oh, y'all are the new IFP. Y'all are so new. We're not really new.
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And people get mad. Oh, you're doing something new. You're having kids and not doing birth control.
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Well, let me tell you something. Birth control is new. Having kids is not new.
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Oh, all your women are wearing dresses and skirts. That's new. Nope.
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What's new is women pants. Okay. Hey, a lot of things you all are doing is new. No, no,
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it's not new. It's just what was already done before. We're going back to the old ways,
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to the old path. And even if it is new, oh, it's new that churches are doing these things.
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Well, it's because culture sucked for a long time. Because they were doing it wrong for a long time.
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And we're going back to that, which was written. And, you know, hey, we check everything with
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the Bible. The Bible is our final authority. Oh, you wouldn't have a Bible if it wasn't for
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our church. Look, the Bible predates your church. Everything in this book was written
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by the first entry. I mean, everybody pretty much agrees. Everything in this book was written
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in the first entry. And what's silly is like, oh, we gave you the Bible. We created the Bible.
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This is what Catholics would say. They created the Bible. Okay. That would be the same as
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someone taking credit for creating gold. Okay. You didn't create gold. You might have found
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gold. You might have discovered some gold somewhere. But you know what makes gold,
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gold, gold. You don't make gold, gold. Gold just is gold. It's like, oh, how do you know gold is
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valuable because of its intrinsic qualities? How do you know the Bible is the Bible because
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of its intrinsic qualities? And we elevate this book above everything else. And just because
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somebody can identify what gold is, doesn't make them right. Everybody can identify what
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gold is. And look, everyone that even gives a rip about Christianity all agree that the 66 books
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I hold in my hand are the Word of God. Whether you're a Catholic, Protestant, or Orthodox,
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they all believe this is the Word of God. What they do is they add a bunch of fool's gold in with it.
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And they're like, well, why don't you accept this fool's gold? Because it's trash.
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When I test it, when I inspect it, it doesn't have the same internal qualities as the actual
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gold. The real gold is very clearly different than your fool's gold that you're bringing
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with you. And no, you didn't create it. You tried to add crap to it. And we said,
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we don't like your crap. And we don't like your crappy traditions. And we don't like your crappy
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practices. And you know what? Your doctrine is dung. And you know what? Using the word
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crap didn't start with me because, you know, in the Old Testament, they were saying things
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are dung. And God said, I'll rub the dung in your face. I don't like that word. Well,
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you don't like the Bible. Everything that we should do should be based on the Bible.
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And you know what? Don't get intimidated when people are like, oh, no, that sounds scary.
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Oh, new IFB. We're old IFB. You're crusty and stale, okay? Got some old heresies or something.
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Yeah. But who's really new here? Is Zionism actually a historical practice?
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Is that a historical belief? Is that a historical doctrine? Or is that new?
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And we're going back to the old way. Well, we have to go back to the church fathers
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in their view of the Trinity. Well, you know what? I want to go back to the first century
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understanding of the Trinity, not your fourth century, not what St. Augustine decided. I
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don't follow St. Augustine. I follow Paul. I follow Jesus Christ. I follow whatever this
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book said. And you know, we should always, you know, test everything with the Scripture.
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Even if it's new, though, it doesn't mean it's bad. New IFB is good because it's that which we had
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from the beginning. That's why it's good. That's why we should follow it. And you know, I don't
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mind that title. It can be new and yet old at the same time. Don't get intimidated by the
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Catholics. They're a bunch of lying, pagan, cult-falling weirdos. And you know what?
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If you give me a Jesus statue, I'll destroy it right now. Let's go somewhere.
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Thank you, Heavenly Father, so much for your word. Thank you so much for these instructions.
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Thank you for having so much consistency in Scripture so we could know that even if people
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haven't been doing something for a while, we can bring it back. It's always in style.
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The Bible never goes out of style. And we can always bring it back. And even if it seems new,
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we realize that it's the true doctrine that's always existed. I pray that you would help
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people to be inspired to read their Bible more and study it more and make sure that
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everything we're doing lines up with the Bible and with what you would have us do,
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rather than what culture tells us. And in Jesus' name we pray. Amen.