Genesis 3 Explored: The Fall of Man and Its Implications

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back to The Bible guys. It's Friday. It's Friday. If you're listening

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is that? I don't remember. Yeah, it's a long time ago.

I get you too. No, no, no, it's it's a goofy

little song. Yeah, yeah, but it is Friday. And so today

we are kicking off the segments. Which what's the most important segment that we

do? There's no there's no doubt about it. If we didn't do it,

it would be full on mutiny from our listeners. Well, and we

don't do it every Friday, I know. And so we're on the verge

of mutiny. Oh right, so here grumblings the mutiny, mutiny, mutiny,

mutiny. So it's it is what made Chris mad this week? Because

there's no other way that we'd want to end the first week of a new

series than with our favorite segment. So, Chris, what made you mad

this week? Well? I got to tell you. It took me,

It took you all of a minute to think. Took me all of a

minute that to think of something. I have pretty much stopped going to fast

food restaurants for the most part. I'm trying really hard to lose even you

know, more weight and get into shape, and so I try to refrain

myself. But however, I had a moment of weakness. Okay, and

I walked into a restaurant today walking Do you probably walked into a Tim Hortons,

Tim Horton's a taco Bell? Yes, yes, yes, good,

good second guess, Tim Hortons, that's a terrible first guess. I don't

know. So I walked into a Taco Bell and and literally there are people

standing around. There's not a single customer, not even one. I'm not

even kidding, not even a person. Okay, now there's drive through happening,

right, but there's not a single person in the whole place. And

I walk over to the front desk and they tell me, even though there's

a cash register in front of them and with a credit card machine right there,

they said, you have to order it the kiosk. Oh, yeah,

behind you. McDonald's just doing that too. So I had to turn

around and walk over and rummage through, and then I actually thought to myself,

I said, well, first of all, I did, of course

say something, and I said, you're kidding me, and that's all I

said. And then and they said no, and I said okay. So

I just turned around and I was boiling inside because I'm thinking to myself,

it is taking me ten times longer, and not two times, not three

times, at least ten times longer to rummage through and hit all the different

options, and then it tries to upsell me, and it says most people

with this, it's not just something that you have to select, you have

to actually scrawl all the way down and say no thanks. And so I

am so upset at this point because now all I want to do is order

like two items, right, and I want like extra onions on something because

I'm an onion guy, right, and I want minus something on this other

thing. So I literally have to like seriously just go through these things and

hit them. And I was so upset, and it took me. It

would have taken me ten seconds to say it right, and it probably took

me two and a half minutes to press thirty buttons right, and that two

and a half minutes you're never going to get back. Oh it's terrible.

Yeah, and then that's time you could have been scrolling on your phone while

they were getting your food ready, right right, or having conversations Jeff,

either one. But still then I go back up and then I say something

and the guys just standing there watching me, and I said, you do

realize that took me ten times longer. They're like, why do you guys

do that? And he's like, I don't know, it's policy. So

the poor kid, he was super nice, Yeah, and he was,

well, they deal with it all day long. All the old guys come

in and complain to them. But yes, stay off my grass, it's

right, you get off my grass, take my order. Yeah, well

you darn kids. But hey, I gotta be honest. You know,

it's no different than going through they're conditioning you for when robots run the kitchen.

You know that, right, Yes, So they're going to do this

for like five years, where you order without talking to a person, and

then pretty soon food's just going to come out to you and they're going to

have eliminated the entire staff. It's just going to be a building, right,

that's what's going to happen. Yeah, or maybe with one person making

sure that nothing malfunctions, right, right, But there will be no human

interaction with your food at all. They're just unloading trucks and you know,

making sure buns are in the right spot, tortillas are open. Right,

that's what's going to happen. But I think that they're just they're getting rid

of the human thing because it's so expensive, right right, Men in ways

keeps going up and up and up, and so they're going to decide the

only way they can sell you a four dollars burrito is to not pay anybody

to do it. Yeah, well you're probably right there. Oh I am.

I've already loked another the future. You've probably in the future. I've

been to the year three thousand. Not much has changed, but they live

underwater, so funny. Yeah, well, thank you for being I rate

about this. I have noticed that a lot of you, a lot of

your your vicari anger for all the rest of us is because what you're mad

about is the fact that this is altering the experience for all of us.

It's not just you, well, it's all the above. It is definitely

for everybody. But do you understand this one is for you though, special

this so you're taking this and personal. Is that what you're saying. I'm

saying that, I'm saying I'm sad for the world. Yes, because number

one, it took me ten times longer. It was irritating. But then

also it's it's so much faster. The world is changing. It's so much

faster to just talk to a human and have the human just type it in.

Well, pretty soon, Ai, you'll be able to do that.

You just walk up and talk to the computer. You know that you can

already talk to your phone and they'll tell you everything. So pretty soon you're

just going to walk up and say, hey, Syria, i'd like to

order. Oh, siria, things I'm ordering. That's so funny, but

that's what's gonna happen. You're just gonna walk up, Hey, Taco bell,

I'd like to order U. You know that's what's going to happen.

Yeah, well, I got to tell you. It was really irritate me.

Well, and thank you, And then there's these you know, people

on the inside, they don't like it either. Thank you for thinking of

us. You're welcome, right, thank you for thanking you welcome And I

bet you. There's not a single person that thinks, oh I like it

better. Yeah, I've noticed a theme is for you is customer service is

a big thing for you, the customer experience. Yes, I do believe

in that, me too, And I've always believed that I would make a

great business owner. Oh I think you would too, Chris. I've always

thought that. In fact, for years when ministry was super hard and still

continues to be from time to time, but especially those early years, like

the first ten years, I actually thought, I just want to leave ministry,

go own a business, make a bunch of money, and then volunteer

at ministry heavily. Yeah, but not have anybody tell me what to do.

I know so many people that in that first ten years of ministry do

that exactly yes, and then they don't really volunteer heavily, that's correct.

They start consuming they got money, money exactly right. Yeah, that's exactly

right. So and then later on, when they're older than they start feeling

guilty about that fact, and so then they write checks. They do you

nail that? So? Hey, you know, not everybody's cut out for

it. I get that part. Okay, here we go. So Genesis

chapter three who. We made it out, and it took us a week

to get out of the first three chapters. And I'm going to read the

first several verses. That's actually a lot quicker than our old series. Yeah,

I know, our old series. We were, you know, verse

by verse in the Gospels. That's correct. So I'm going to read the

first thirteen verses here. If you don't mind today, I do not mind.

You don't mind? You were why in it? There? For a

second? Here we go Genesis chapter three, verse one. It says the

serpent was the shrewdest of all the wild animals that the Lord had made.

One day, he asked the woman, I really say you must not eat

the fruit from any of the trees in the garden. Of course, we

may eat fruit from the trees in the garden. The woman replied, it's

only the fruit from the tree in the middle of the garden were not allowed

to eat. God said, you must not eat it or even touch it.

If you do, you'll die. You won't die, the serpent replied

to the woman. God knows that your eyes will be opened as soon as

you eat it, and you'll be like God, knowing both good and evil.

The woman was convinced. She saw that the tree was beautiful and its

fruit looked delicious, and she wanted the wisdom it would give her, and

so she took some of the fruit and ate it. And then she gave

some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it too.

At that moment, their eyes were open, and they suddenly felt shame

at their nakedness, and so they sewed fig leaves together to cover themselves.

When the cool evening breezes were blowing, the man and his wife heard the

Lord God walking about in the garden, so they hid from the Lord God

among the trees. And then the Lord God called to the man, where

are you? He replied, I heard you walk in the garden, so

I hid. I was afraid because I was naked. Who told you that

you were naked? The Lord God asked, have you eaten from the tree?

Who's fruit? I commanded you not to eat? The man replied,

it was the woman you gave me who gave me the fruit, and I

ate it. And the Lord God asked the woman, what have you done?

The serpent deceived me? She replied, that's why I ate it.

And then God confronts them all and they fall under the curse. Right.

So yeah, let's first of all establish that the Bible never says it was

an apple. That's correct. So for those of us who say, hey,

eve ate the apple or adamate the apple, just say fruit next time.

Although whenever we paint the picture and there's a visual aid, is always

an apple. It can be an apple if you want it to be an

apple. Yeah, that's true. I mean it could have been an apple,

could be, but it could have been anything other than an apple.

Could have been a mysterious fruit, could a well or maybe maybe a fruit

that we know not of a dragon fruit, because after all, it was

a special tree. No, no, it could have been. It could

have been the lemon. Stop saying fruit. You're saying fruit. Stop it.

I'm saying, like a mysterious fruit, mysterious fruit. O. That's

likely like this something that we I don't know anything about. Correct. You

think it's a special tree. Sure, it could be a special food.

It's a glowing, mangle looking thing that tasted like mud. What I don't

know. I was trying to be funny. Hey, so okay, let

me let me go and say this. So so I did this. I

did this message one time and you what if you heard this message that I

gave from top to bottom, you would think it's one of the most clever

things. But it follows the pattern. I'll be the judge of that.

Yeah, okay, so I do I do a message where I act like

it's a seminar. And so the title of the message is how to sin

successful? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, you've told me this before.

Yeah, this is clever. Ye, how to sind successfully. I'm like,

okay, I'm like, guys, if you want to learn how to

really truly have a pattern of sinning successfully, this is this is the pint

wanting to be a really good world class and a really good world class.

I was like, the very first thing you need to do is do what

Eve did. This is this is a perfect pattern, like this is this,

this will bl us you know our powern The first thing you need to

do is doubt or make light of God's word. Right, That's the very

first thing that happened, because uh, you know, the serpent comes along

and says, did God really say? And And so that's that's the first

questioning that is recorded in the Bible of questioning God's word, Because up to

this point, every time God spoke, it seems like nothing was recorded in

response in terms of her butt. But yet this is the first time that

there's a question did God really say did he really say that you that you're

not gonna you know, delivered, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah,

And so then you can't eat. And then the second the second step

is is that you twist or or or you know, just twist the and

justify with half truths, because that's what Satan did. So Satan actually kept

the truth. He said you you should not surely die. Well, actually

that's technically true in other words, like they weren't going to eat the fruit

and die that second, right, But but but really what was true is

the process of death. Their spirited started. Yeah, their spirit died,

They died spiritually immediately, their physical self didn't die. And so and so,

so Satan takes the word of God and twists it and have truth.

And then what she does is is she starts to justify it because it says

well, then she says, okay, she looked and she saw that it

was beautiful and it was good to eat, So she starts justifying it.

Right. Anyway, there's a pattern that goes on here I'm not sure if

I should uh tell you all seven of them. Maybe I can if I

just glance at these uh and so then and then uh uh she justifies.

And then what does she do is she uh surrounds herself. She she surrounds

herself with other people who will who will sin with them, right, and

so then you know there's Adam there and then uh and then it was uh

to run and hide, you know, from the sin, trying to responsibility.

And then I think the last one ended up by blaming, right,

and so you know, so Adam blames That's one of the best that you

know. So God says to Adam, hey, why are you hiding?

Who told you you were naked? And Adam essentially says, hey, don't

blame me, blame apple breath over here. Yeah, yeah, well not

that he blames God. The woman you gave me right, right. If

there's anybody I'm the least responsible for this, there's only three. There's only

three people I'm the least responsible. I'm just walking through the garden and she

comes up and hands me the apple. And you made her, you gave

her to me. I didn't ask for her, you gave her to me.

It's your fault ultimately, if you really think about it, really,

if you really think about it, I sinned because you made her right right.

And then and then of course the woman blames the serpent, right,

so everybody has the blame game. And then I get to the end of

the seminar and the entire time. By the way, when I'm unpacking this,

I said like, okay, justify with half truth. I'm like,

now, this is this is essential. Listen. If you don't get this

right, you're not gonna be able to sin effectively. So you got to

make sure that you master the art of justifying right. And I'm just really

getting into this, and so I'm sort of preaching it backwards. And then

I get to the very end and I say, okay, so how you

fails. What's the key to failing? Here's the key to failing. Don't

do step number one. Yeah, and you have to do step number one,

which is doubt or make light of God's word. That's the key to

everything. If you master step number one, the rest may come naturally right.

And that's the way I give a summar which, by the way,

is just incredibly true, isn't it. It all starts with doubting or making

light of what God says. You know, the amazing thing is if you

take that description from a couple of days ago of the Garden of Eden.

We didn't overtalk it, but it sure seems like it's about a fifteen hundred

mile square garden if you look at the where the rivers are and the chunks.

So think about this. The Bible says that that tree was in the

middle of the garden. So that's like the distance from Detroit to Miami,

right, right, is how big it is? So seven hundred and fifty

miles right from you know, is the center. Then if that's you know,

if the fifteen hundred miles is true, so we're talking somewhere around like,

uh, Chattanooga. And the reason why you're saying that is because of

the location of the rivers, Yeah, and how far apart yeah yeah,

euphrates the Tigris. And then then it talks about Havola and cush Right,

So it's about a fifteen hundred miles square garden. And there's one tree,

one tree that God says, she says it's in the middle of the garden,

right, So somewhere it's like around Tennessee. Yeah, yeah, somewhere

in Chattanooga. They show up in Chattanooga, just going, dude, the

dude, what why as big as that place is, right, why were

you there? Isn't it amazing how we start to fixate on the thing we

can't have right? This is this? So this is why Paul tells us

think about things that are good and honest and true and just right and holy

and it's it's because if we aren't careful, we start get drawing closer and

closer and closer to the thing. We can't have that person in the office,

we can't have that house, we can't afford that. We're ready to

max out our credit cards because we just can't have that thing. We get

we have to have the same vacation everybody else has, right, And then

we wind up mortgaging our life, ruining so many things because we get fixated

on the one thing. Why, dude, If I had a fifteen hundred

miles square garden and guys says, don't eat from that one tree, you

know what I'd do. I'd go build a fence like about one hundred and

fifty miles all the way around it and go, hey, we're not going

inside there because we got all the think about it. All the rest of

that garden was theirs to indulge in for eternity, right, and here they

are, Oh, what an interesting thing I'm standing by the tree I'm not

supposed to be by, right, isn't that? You know? We're always

amazed, right, We're always amazed by that. And then then that gave

the you know, satan, the opportunity to tempt. So people ask sometimes

why did he come as a serpent? It's serpents are any animal he could

have come as. The Bible refers to him often as like the dragon,

and that that evil serpent whatever it may be symbolic a little bit, but

certainly he came to her in a familiar form, right, didn't come as

an alien, didn't come as a rock, didn't come as, you know,

as something she'd never seen before or something that was benign. It was

something she was familiar with. And oftentimes that's what the devil will do,

is to take a familiar thing, something we get comfortable around. And that's

where our temptations have come from, is from where our comfort is. And

you and I would say that, you know, hey, it wasn't it

wasn't believable, like she should have run from it because it actually talked,

right, But yeah, think about the world that they were living in at

the time, Right, they walked with God in the cool of the day

in the garden, God spoke audibly. There there were you know, they

had just come from and every day was a new learning experience. Every day

was a new thing. They were around a creator that formed them from dust,

right and and and Adams saw, you know, or at least didn't

see. He saw the results of God creating woman from from his own bones.

So the things were so supernatural around them. And not to mention,

you know, we're about to find out that Sin has a curse over the

garden. They have to tend to it weeds, they're all part of the

curse, right, So imagine just how supernatural the garden itself probably was before

Sin came into the world. So there there are different things. Not to

mention, I'm sure that Adam probably wasn't responsible for going and finding roaming animals,

right, all these roaming animals, God probably brought them to him.

So so, I mean, there were so many different things that were so

supernatural, and everything would have been well, so they were all natural.

Yeah, everything they were, everything they were experiencing was was natural. It

was a brand new Yeah, everything was brand new for them. So you

know, the serpent speaks to go, Oh, apparently those kind of snakes

talk. It would have been because it was the first time they'd seen any

of these things, right, right, and so it would have been totally

natural to her. I guess I guess those kind of snakes talk. That's

cool, sure, right, because you just don't know, you don't know

anything. It's just like a clean slate. And then everything you're experiencing is

brand new. So you have these these these humans in fully adult bodies.

He told them to go and reproduce, right, So they're fully human adult

bodies. But their minds, if you think their minds as a young person

just learning a brand new thing, never thought about it before, never experienced

it before. If you're completely and totally innocent about a thing, you're not

surprised by a thing, right, And so I think that's why the Devil's

able to come to her. He came to her as a living creature,

that's what he came to her as, and it made sense to her.

I guess you know, the thing you mentioned has undertones of creation because you

just said they created Adam and Eve who looked like they were older, and

yet they were brand new and they were minutes old. So their age their

time. If you try to measure time, you would say it's they're only

minutes old, but the evidence shows that it appears to be you know,

I don't know whatever, thirty years old, right. Yeah, Well they

could process language immediately, right. So the point is is that sometimes in

science people will try to measure the Earth and they'll say, well, the

Earth has to be this old because the evidence shows it as opposed to having

been created with age. Yeah, because the planet had to have cooled down

to this point, the atmosphere had to have developed to this point. There

needed to be a water saturation to this point, a temperature control to this

point, distance from the Sun at this point, all those things. So

if God just created it with time already built in, because God's outside of

time. So if you just built it with age in the same way that

he made Adam with age, Adam was able to comprehend language and reproduce when

God gave him that command, right, and then could do the work.

So God created him with age, and I think that's what God did with

the planet, is he created us with age. Yeah, Well, it's

very obvious God did it with the planet. Yeah, because it says that

he created the planet in a day. Do you you ever do a YouTube

video and you're trying to get to a very specific thing. I just did

this the other day. I was watching Heritagechurch dot com. I was watching

one of our messages, and I wanted to scroll to the song at the

end of the message. So I just grabbed the little thing and I scrolled

it. But I could see the video all the way up and I just

got to minute fifty two or whatever it was. I think that's what God

did, is he just grabbed the slider, pulled it right to the point

where he needed to have it be in order to have it have the story

start right there. Are you saying that you purposely fast forward through my message

to see the ending song? I rewatched the song, I'd already heard the

message. Yeah, and it was a fine. But that's that's what I

believe God did, is he just fast forward to the point. Because for

a being outside of time, time is nothing, right, he just needed

to get to the starting point for us because time matters to us. So

he got it to that point, cooled, the planet, got everything exactly

where it needs to be, so it has age built into it. And

yet the story starts at a very precise time. It's the same thing he

did with ad him. I think, yeah, that's great. Well,

I think that we are at our time. Yeah, so this is the

most devastating moment in human history. Yes, and then uh, we'll pick

up with the curse and then God's solution to it, and we'll do that

next week next week on Monday, if you're following day by day, and

hopefully we'll see then on the Bible. Guysh