Finding Hope in a Hopeless World: Ecclesiastes 9:1-12

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early this morning and I started wondering what time the

sun would rise, and then it dawned on me.

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glass Coffins be a success? Remains to be seen.

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for some it can feel like a maternity.

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I was almost going to call it a tie. That

one felt like a tie to me. I thought the

maternity was fine.

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which we've never done before. You're the voter, Well, then

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already one hundred fifty bucks up.

Man, So good, all right, Ecclesiastes.

I don't even have a transition for this one. I

don't know.

I always forget the transition.

Okay, I have nothing nothing.

Speaking of funny. There is literally nothing funny at all about.

Oh I got speaking of Coffins. This entire section is

about death comes to all.

Ooh, that's what the chapters are. It is yeah, okay.

Yeah, so we just finished class. Coffin's joke Yeah leads

right into what a great transition remains?

Why that's why you are who you are?

Yep, yep, that's it. It's the one thing I'm good at.

If you're wondering why see transitions.

How is Jeff? Jeff? That's why is it?

Right here?

Under pressure, he comes up with the clutch transitions.

Ecclesiastes nine is where we're at. Verses one through twelve

says this too, I carefully explored. Even though the actions

of godly and wise people are in God's hands, no

one knows whether God will show them favor. The same

destiny ultimately awaits everyone, whether righteous or wicked, good or bad,

ceremonially clean or unclean, religious or irreligious. Good people receive

the same treatment as sinners, and people who make promises

to God are treated like people who don't It seems

so tragic that everyone under the sun suffers the same fate.

That is why people are not more careful to be good. Instead,

they choose their own mad course, for they have no hope.

There's nothing ahead but death anyway own, there is hope

only for the living. As they say, it's better to

live dog, better, as they say, it's better to be

a live dog than a dead lion. The living at

least know they will die, but the dead know nothing.

They have no further reward, nor are they remembered. Whatever

they did in their lifetime, loving, hating, and being is

all long gone. They no longer play a part in

anything here on earth. So go ahead, eat your food

with joy, and drink your wine with a happy heart,

for God approves of this. Wear fine clothes with a

splash of cologne. Live happily with the woman you love

through all them meaningless days of life that God has

given you under the sun. The wife gives the wife

God gives you is your reward for all your earthly toil.

Whatever you do, do well, for when you go to

the grave, there will be no work or planning, or

knowledge or wisdom. I have observed something else under the sun.

The fastest runner doesn't always win the race, and the

strongest warrior doesn't always win the battle. The whys sometimes

go hungry, and the skillful are not necessarily wealthy, and

those who are educated don't always lead successful lives. It

is all decided by chance, by being in the right

place at the right time. People can never predict when

hard times might come. Like fish in a net or

birds in a trap, people are caught by a sudden tragedy.

Yeah, this is perhaps the most depressing of the four

chapters this week, don't.

You think you think so? I don't know, there's some

pretty I mean, it's not like he's been super super happy.

Yeah, but he goes into this whole like it almost

sounds like what he's saying is maybe maybe you shouldn't

even try to be careful for being good, because you're

gonna end up with the same fit anyway, what's the point? Yeah, right,

And I don't think he's really said that in the

other four chapters that we've covered, So for me, that

sounds way more depressing because now when you're talking about

vanity and you're talking about futility, and you know death

comes for everybody, well, that's that's one thing. But then

when you say so, it doesn't matter, Yeah, you know,

whether whether morality good or bad.

Well, I think it's interesting because Solomon doesn't seem to

have in any of his writings. He doesn't seem to

have a sense of eternity other than God has placed

eternity in the hearts of men, meaning he understands that

people desire eternity, but he doesn't seem to have any

any consequence or any sense of consequence after death. Right,

And with that perspective, his view is the natural way

to see things. Right, there's nothing after there's nothing to

live for after death. Only live for now. But it

changes for those who understand, Hey, these seventy or eighty

years are just dress rehearsal for life. So when you

read this, you're reading you're reading when you read Solomon's

perspective on you only have one life and then it's over,

and then nothing else exists afterwards. This is how most

people live their life. No wonder they make bad choices,

no wonder they are hopeless. And Paul says, we grieve,

but not as those who have no hope when we

think about death right. So when we have the hope

of eternity. It totally changes our perspective. We're preparing now.

This is dress rehearsal for eternity. So when you read

Solomon's writing, Solomon is writing like somebody who has no

concept of heaven. He has no concept of anything after.

And so of course he's miserable because I did all

this work and it didn't matter. I lived and I worked,

and I planned and I accumulated, and none of it matters.

And I didn't really do anything good with my life.

That's kind of how he's feeling. But if you live

a life preparing for eternity, then you have all the

benefit of a good life in this life, plus hope

for a better life in eternity. And so when I

read it, I just I think it's sad that he

doesn't have a sense of heaven at all.

Yeah, it certainly doesn't seem that way, it doesn't, huh. Yeah. Otherwise,

you know, there's no other way to say. How could

you say that there's no consequences of choosing bad or good? Right,

if it's not connected to beyond death, then then yeah.

Yeah, if you get away with it, you get away

with it. That's kind of what he's saying here, if

there's nothing after this life, you get away with something,

you get away with it.

And hey, so let me be the guy to say

that that is unusual. Right. Solomon was raised by his

mom and his dad, who believed in God so much,

where they trained him differently than this. So now again,

he didn't say death ends everything and there's nothing afterwards.

He didn't say that. It's just that that's the way

that he's acting, that's the way that he's that's the

way he's writing. Right, So he didn't he didn't say

he didn't make a definitive statement that says when you die,

nothing happens.

Well, he keeps, he keeps saying things like verse five.

The living at least know they'll die, but the dead

know nothing, right, he said, he said, he said that

kind of thing many times, that kind of implying there's

nothing after this life. It's kind of how he's said.

I didn't read it that way. I think what I

was reading it as is he was. I was reading

it as not necessarily eternity, because I mean, it can

be read that way, but I was reading it as

he's talking about life. It's the stress is on the

life part. In other words, like, once you die, then

your life is over, and so it doesn't mean anything

after you die. So therefore let's concentrate on the you know,

conclusions of life. So I wasn't reading it as you know,

he's concentrating on what's after death.

He's just saying, No, he clearly doesn't think there is

anything after death.

Well, it seems that way sometimes, right, That's what I'm saying.

I think he references that probably half dozen times to

the Book of Ecclesiastes, that after you die you don't

know anything. It's all over, and so because of that,

there's a hopelessness here. That's that's what I'm saying. The

difference between our listeners who are followers of Jesus who

know that there's there's reward and eternity after this life.

We live our life with a totally different perspective than

a guy who has no concept thinks that, Okay, I

lived my eighty years and now I'm dying and there's

no point I'm gonna lose everything, no wonder, He's spiraling

there's no hope, right, And that's that's the difference between

Solomon's view and you know, a godly Christian's view. Is

that so the other one that I was gonna mention,

And I think this is interesting, he said, I've observed

something else Verse eleven Under the Sun. The fastest runner

doesn't always win the race, and the strongest warrior doesn't

always win the win the battle. The whys sometimes go hungry,

and the skillful are not necessarily wealthy. Those who are

educated don't always lead successful lives. It's all decided by chance,

by being in the right place at the right time.

He's like, Hey, sometimes in a fight, the weaker fighter

wins by luck. Sometimes the fastest runner doesn't win, the

slower runner wins, and it just turns out to be

a lucky thing that happens or whatever. And just being

in the right place the right time. Hey, there's a

lot to be said about being in the right place

at the right time. There really is. There's a lot

to be said about that. But I think you can

kind of manipulate a little bit of that. It can

make sure you're in the right place around the right people.

You either are right now or soon shall be. Just

like the crowd you run with. If you want to

do a thing or be a thing, you need to get.

You need one to develop skills that get you around

those people, and then you need to get in there.

Arnold Palmer is famous for saying, the more I practice,

the luckier I get.

That's so much right.

There's something that Thomas Jefferson had a phrase similar to that.

The more prepared I am, the luckier I get. Samuel Goldwyn,

you know, the famous movie producer, had a saying very similar.

All three of them have independent sayings, but they're very

very similar. The more I practice, Arnold Palmer said, the

luckier I get. There is something to that. Hey, a

guy who practices every swing with every club at every

distance is going to get more holes in one than

I'm going to get. Right.

Yeah, I'm having a brain fart. The uh I was trying.

I was trying to think of the as a technical

term on the Bible guys.

Yes, I was trying to think of the who's the

Kinsman Redeemer that we covered bo ass yeah, bo as

in his fields. Uh. That was that was an example

of trying to manipulate being at the right place of

the right show.

She put herself in the right place in the right time,

and then that gave opportunity. You know, I think that

there's there's something to that going to the right schools,

being around the right people when you want an opportunity

to get in front of Probably one of the greatest

moments of my life to discover this principle. I was

working my way through college. I had lost my sky

warship because I got kicked out of school. Remember I've

told that start for pranks. So now I'm at a

new school. I don't have a full ride scholarship. So

how's a poor kid go through school? Right? Got work?

So I was working forty plus hours a week, and

I was working at UPS in Chicago. And UPS is

a great company. I really loved the company. My boss

was a nightmare to work for. And I just got

to the point where I was getting you know, I'm

barely sleeping. It's an hour away from where I'm staying

in the dorms, and so I'm driving ten hours a

week or more. I'm working forty hours a week. I'm

taking twenty credits. I was just I was exhausted, and

this part of my life was the only part of

my life I could control. Was my job, right, And

so I decided I'm going to go find a different job.

So I called in two days, called off, and I

started going through Chicago trying to find a job. Put

on a suit and tie my second day. First day

I went just casual clothes. Second day, suit and tie.

I go downtown and I start going to hotels, and

I decided I didn't want to work in CD hotels.

I thought, you know what if you're going to work

in Chicago, work on Michigan Avenue, work on Magnificent Mile.

So I decided, I want to work in the fanciest

place in all of Chicago, and I want to be

in service. I want to learn how to do service work.

So I decided I was going to go every hotel, Intercontinental, Marriott, Highatt,

all of them that's up and down there, the drake

at the end of the street, all that kind stuff.

I went to all of them, and the last hotel

I was in because they had these little timeslots when

you can put in applications. Last hotel I was in

was in Marriott, and it was me and a friend

of mine. We're both wearing suits. There's probably fifty people

filling out applications. Because they had one day a week

they'd accept applications. Nine hundred employees worked in our building,

and so I'm filling things out and this young guy

walks in. He's wearing a suit. He walks in behind

the counter. He's clearly into a manager of some kind.

And we make got contact and I nod and I

got up on purpose. I said, excuse me, can you

help me for a minute? And my brain is scrambling,

just trying to think of a question, and I went,

am I supposed to write? Like? Like? I go by

the name Jeff, but my legal name's Jeffrey. So on

an application do I do? Do I do Jeffrey or Jeff?

He goes, oh, your name's Jeff, said, what do you

want to apply for? I said, I want to apply

for the best manager in this building to try to

help him get his work done. And he goes, hey,

why don't you come back here with me? And he

pulls me back, so suit and tie, nice haircut, and

I put myself in front of that manager. Clearly he

was just surveying who was out there. He winds up

hiring me, and Tom Pontel wanted up being a brilliant manager.

I made all kinds of money. I learned a ton

of things. And it was in that moment I decided

I'm going to be I'm going to get myself in

front of that guy. Now I can't control his response.

He might have blown me off, but dude, that was

It was incredibly lucky in that moment, right. But it

was because I was dressed right. And that's what he

told me, he said, I looked out across the room,

went there's nobody in here. I want to hire everybody,

I mean, and you know, almost house coats and slippers,

you know what I mean. It's kind of that look

everybody in the room. And then there's two guys sitting

in the room wearing suits. He hired us both, but

he hired my buddy. He said, Hey, is that other

guy in a suit with you? As he yah and

he said, are you guys roommates? I said yeah, he said,

bringing back, so he came with me. He got the

job because I had the guts to go up and

get in front of that boss in that moment, right.

And so there is something to that. It's not always

the fastest, it's not always the strongest, but it is

the person being in the right place at the right time.

But it's not always chance, right, you can kind of

get yourself in the right places. So the more I practice,

the luckier I get.

Yeah, you know, he just throws this thing at the

end of the chapter of the sentence that says people

can never predict when hard times might come, like a

fish in a net or a bird in a trap,

people are caught by sudden tragedy. Holy cow, is that

a statement or what?

Yeah?

Right, I mean, there's really nothing to say about that.

I just wanted to point.

It out, like sometimes bad things happen.

Sometimes bad things happened. Yeah, and he's talking. It's really

a continuation of this thought about you know, chance just

sort of happens, right, Just things come and things go. Yeah,

that's interesting.

And that's okay, yep. Right. We live in a broken world.

We forget, even as Christians, we forget that this world

is cursed and everything in it right is cursed by sin.

Sin has affected every single aspect of our lives every day,

and we just don't we forget that. So then as

we honor God and we go his path, we have

his favor, But we still live in a very broken world.

So car accidents happen. That's not that God made it happen,

as somebody who just ran a red light they weren't paying,

some drunk did too much. Bad people do bad things sometimes,

you know what I mean. And sometimes even the righteous

get caught up in those things. Not because God's trying

to punish us, but because we live in a broken world.

Bad things happen sometimes, and so we are shocked and

horrified by them. But at the same time we can

just accept God's not bad because of those things, and

we have no right to expect that we would never

have a sudden thing happened to us, right. Instead, we

just trust God that whether we live, as Paul said,

whether I live or I die, it's for Christ. Right

to live is for Christ, and to die is gain.

And you know, I've made jokes about it, told stories

about when I found out I had cancer, and I

just came to a conclusion, the Devil's not going to

threaten me with Evan right, I'm not gonna be miserable,

I'm not gonna be terrified. If I live great, if

I go to Heaven even greater, that's okay. And if

you can live with that, with that perspective that to

live is Christ and to die is gain. Then these

sudden tragedies, these sudden things that aren't manageable by us.

It turns out we're not in control anyways. Control is

an illusion and things happen. But that's okay. God's in control.

And if I'm here on earth, wonderful, He's got a

plan for me here. If he decides, okay, you know what,

I'm not going to intervene in that moment, and that's

how you're going to go to heaven, then we're in

heaven for e turnity, and then to die is gain.

Yeah, you know, you sort of hinted that you know

why bad things happen, you know, just it's not always God.

We live in a broken world. You and I just

recently had several conversations with people who responded so well

to that idea at a funeral that I did recently,

because you know, Romans eight says we're under the bondage

of decay. He calls it the curse of this world.

And you know the idea that you know, people lay

at the feet of God sometimes because God is all powerful,

and God is able to do whatever God wants to do,

and so therefore we assume and presume upon him that

he should and can't or doesn't do what is always

the best choice, and so and so. Anyway, the idea

that people would just say, oh, some bad tragedy happen,

and then I've heard people actually say, well, God must

have wanted it that way, And I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

What about all the verses that talk about how bad

things happen and how we're living a broken world and

it's messed up, and you know, there's death and disease,

and there's cancer, and there's weeds and there's death, you know,

all these different things, and you know that came with

the curse of the fall. And yet sometimes what people

do is they lay at the feet of God that

which should never be laid at the feet of God.

This was God's will, This was God's intention. Its like, whoa, whoa, whoa,

Back up, buddy, you know you know God's intention is

paradise again, right, you know there was paradise. God gave

man free will. Why did God give man free will?

Because true love cannot exist without free will, and God

created us for true love. Response man chose to go

his and her own way. We live under the bondage

of sin. And one day Jesus will come and he

will do away with all evil. He will conquer evil,

he will do away with it.

He will wipe every tear from our eye. And there

will be no more death. Yes, there'll be no more disease. Yes,

there will be no more violence or hatred or right.

And he says, and I'll be your God right, and

I'll make everything new, right right.

And that's that's God's intentions. You want to talk about

God's will when it comes to evil, that's God's will.

And in the meantime, we live in this curse that

we created.

Right and that one verse you know you're so right,

and that it doesn't read well. Solomon says, whatever you do,

do well, for when you go to the grave, there

will be no work or planning or knowledge or wisdom.

And again I read that meaning like, hey, take advantage

of this life, because death ends this life. Right. But

when you read it, like, whoa, what is he trying

to say after eternity? When you read it that way,

it's horrible.

He's despondent. Yeah, there's no hope in the way that

he views it because he doesn't see eternity.

Because which, by the way, we will have purpose and work.

And after eternity.

Undreds we're going back to God's original plan for the garden.

Right right, and so and so if you think you're

getting out of work, uh, you know, people actually think, oh,

I'm just gonna sit on a cloud all day and

play a harp and have nothing to do.

No not no boring.

It sounds really boring.

Might be nice for a few weeks, but a billion

years in it's going to be pretty rough, right right right,

God has there's purpose in eternity.

That's right, all right, Well, hey listen, that is our

time and so hopefully we will see you tomorrow on

the Bible guys.

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