Wise Counsel-The Consequences of Bad Choices: Kings 12:1-20

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Oh? Which is? I think? I think your favorite is

your favorite?

Yeah, because it's just always fun.

Everybody else's favorite is what made Chris mad this week?

And when you sing good morning? No oh yeah, yeah

that's true.

Okay, I'll take the first one. Would you rather, Jeff,

always have a mullet haircut.

Or always have a man bun mullet haircut? Oh you

don't have to think twice about that.

Well, not even twice, not even for a second. And

by the way, if you're a person who has a

man bun cut it, I'm sure it looks cut it.

The thing is a man bun.

I was about to say, I was about saying, no

offense or it looks good on you though, No, but

you're like, get rid.

Of get rid of it. Yeah. Yeah, both of these

are bad choices, but there's one that's a significantly worse

choice in the.

Oh, my goodness, tell us how you really feel.

So here's how I feel. I think mullet haircut guy, Yeah,

drives a big pickup truck, has cut off sleeves. Well,

there's a reason why there's a stereotype. And he's like, right, right,

just right here, hold my beer, I'm going to go

do this thing, right right, He's just gonna And I

think that the man bun guy is sitting in a

coffee shop sip sipping on a cha right right and

with extra foam.

Right and he and he's and he's probably not a

guy that you would hang out with.

HM anyways in general, Yes, yeah, well you me. You're

talking about me specifically, not actually not our listeners. Actually

I'm talking about.

Me too specifically to be honest with you.

Okay, so hey, I've hung out with people's want to

say it, but we have a friend. We have a

friend who wears a man bun sometimes. I used to

wear a man bun sometimes.

Oh yeah, he was a great guy.

Yeah he got a couple.

All right.

They just make bad choices, that's all. You look at

a person and go, you're really really great guy. He

just make a band. I just wondering if we should

start this over. He's listening. He knows. You know. Would

you rather never be able to use the internet again?

Or never be able to watch TV or movies again?

Oh?

That ball.

I like movies, but it's the it's the internet.

That's that is it, and this is never and it's

for you only.

Okay, I'm gonna say I I'd rather never be able

to watch movie or TVs.

Wow, why are you going to try to watch movies

on the internet?

There it is?

Yeah, I see, but it says you can't watch them anyways.

No, I'm not looking for a workaround.

I just think that there's no way I could selfishly

make an entertainment choice over a over a you know what,

the world choice?

No, it's for you.

It just says you, Oh, I want the Internet for

my life, for your life.

Yes, yeah, yeah, Well I lived for forty years without

the Internet.

It's true, right, not forty.

Thirty thirty something years.

Well it came out in like ninety four.

Yeah, well I didn't start using it till ninety seven.

There you go. So yeah, so yeah, okay that was

that was a terrible one.

Yeah right, yeah, yeah, yeah, so I would go I

would go without the Internet. Holy Christmas, I think the

world's better without it. Okay, okay.

Would you rather live in a world where everyone has

to wear roller skates or where everyone has to hop

everywhere like frogs?

Oh? Roller skates? Oh? Definitely?

First of all, hopping everywhere like frogs? Have you ever

tried that?

No? I have not. I mean I've hopped like a

frock before. But I mean, like tried to.

Try working out like where where they make you do lunges, even.

You would be like this, Yeah, your quads just ridiculous.

Would you rather have a voice that only sounds like

a chipmunk or have a voice that sounds like a

cartoon character.

By the way, chipmunks who talk are.

Cartoon cartoon characters. That's correct, Yes, So did you.

Ever see a person groove? Were you right around a bit?

Yeah? Squeak, squeak, squeakable, right, all right.

Two is I would have to pick cartoon character because

Chipmunk is it's pretty rough.

For me too, that's pretty rough. What cartoon character would

you choose a voice of? Uh? Johnny Bravo a very much,

he's got the Elvis voice. One okay, all right, I

was gonna say, what's the rooster onnhorn? Leghorn? Yeah, but

he always repeats that'd be terrible. That's great, okay, And

then I'm reading the last one.

Would you rather have your eyebrows constantly sing? What would

you rather have your eyebrows constantly sing?

I have the tiger?

Or have your belly button randomly play elevator music?

That is one of the strangest. This may be a

new low on this show. That is what do you think?

Wow?

Holy I would say eyebrows singing the tiger, not.

Me, because everybody is gonna be fixating on your eyebrows.

At least in the ard button.

You can just hide it.

Yeah, it'd be people would think you had like a

little speaker. Yeah, yeah, it's just like and you can

fall asleep to elevator music be hard at like two

o'clock in the monc.

You're not sick, you be that song at least elevator music.

You know it's it's sort of in the background.

Yeah, just being the baker. Okay, I'm going to change

my answer. Well, no, you can't elevate a music. I can't. No, No,

I'm struggling for the rest of my life.

I would have ever thought that I would have chosen

to go without movies and you would chose to go

out of the internet. People to predicted the opposite of that. Yeah,

I just I was trying to.

Be practical, trying to be practical, and you're like, we

don't need it, we don't need it, we don't want it,

we don't want it. I'm an old fuddy duddy. That's

a super cool word. Yeah.

Did you ever see Jingle all the Way?

Yes, where he says we don't have any turbo Man's

but we have their sidekick Booster, and the mail man goes,

we don't want it, Yeah, we.

Don't want it. Well, so here's the thing with my choice.

If I hadn't seen Jingle all the Way, I could

what Oh, but with your choice. You can never see

it again.

Yeah, well it's in my mind.

Yeah, just keep rehearsing it over and over again.

Way back in movies constantly play back in my mind.

Anyway, So there's an amazing thing that happened. What's that

we had been talking about? How we thought we would

go back and revisit yep, Proverbs chapter thirty one. Oh,

and we're not today. Oh Solomon dies. He slipped up

and died on us. Oh, so we skipped it apparently,

so our listeners should read Proverbs thirty one.

You know what that is a divided opinion and speaking

of dividing. Oh, we're going to be talking about how

the Northern and the Southern kingdoms are divided.

Okay, so we're going to continue this. Okay, very good. Yes,

terrible transitions is one of our big goals. Yes, twenty

twenty five.

Yesccomplished it today.

Yes, yes, and last week we did last week too. Okay.

So we are in First Kings, chapter twelve, and Solomon

has died. Wow, that the nation had been held together

under his very strong rule. Yes, but it starts to

crumble very quickly. Yeah. And so there's two guys in

this story Raya Boem and Jeroboam.

I love how those names are awful.

Yes, so Raya Boem.

It sounds like twins, like people are being cute with twins.

That's correct, Yeah, ray Boham and Jeroboe Yeah okay, so

don't do that to your.

Kids, like you know, you name your kids like Jillian

and Joel. Yes, there you go, they're paternal.

Or like George and George and George and George and

Daryl brother Darryl. Was George Foreman named like five of

his kids George. That's great, that's crazy, that's awesome. Okay. Anyways,

here we go. In First Kings, chapter twelve, verse one,

it says Rae Boham went to Shechem, where all Israel

had gathered to make him king. And when Jeroboam, son

of Nebat, heard of this, he returned from Egypt, for

he had fled to Egypt to escape from King Solomon. Okay,

so Raya Baoam is Solomon's son. Jeroboam is the guy

that God said, hey, you're going to take Solomon's place.

Remember when we talked about that a few weeks ago.

So the leaders of Israel summoned him and Jereboam and

the whole assembly of Israel went to speak with Raya Boham.

Your father was a hard master, They said, lighten the

harsh labor demands and heavy taxes that your father imposed

on us, and then we will be your loyal subjects.

Raya Boam replied, give me three days to think this

over and then come back from my answer. So the

people went away. Then King Raye Boham discussed the matter

with the older man who had counseled his father Solomon.

What's your advice? He asked, how should I answer these people?

And the older counselors replied, if you are willing to

be a servant to these people today and give them

a favorable answer, they will always be your loyal subjects.

But Raye Boham rejected the advice of the older man

and instead asked the opinion of the young men who'd

grown up with him and were now his advisers. What's

your advice? He asked them, how should I answer these

people who want me to lighten the burden imposed by

my father. The young man replied, this is what you

should tell those complainers who want a lighter burden. My

little finger is thicker than my father's waist. Yes, my

father laid heavy burdens on you, but I'm going to

make them even heavier. My father beat you with whips,

but I will beat you with scorpions. Three days later,

Jereboam and all the people returned to hear Raye Bauham's decision,

just as the king had ordered. But Rey Boham spoke

harshly to the people, for he rejected the advice of

the older counselors and followed the council of his younger advisers.

He told the people, my father laid heavy burdens on you,

but I'm going to make them even heavier. My father

beat you with whips, but I will beat you with scorpions.

So the king paid no attention to the people, and

this turn of events was the will of the Lord

for fulfill the Lord's message to Jereboam's son of Nebat

through the prophet Ahijah from Shiloh. When all Israel realized

that the king had refused to listen to them, they

responded down with the dynasty of David, we have no

interest in the son of Jesse. Back to your homes, Israel.

Look out for your own house, oh David, so the

people of Israel returned home, but Ray Boham continued to

rule over the Israelites who lived in the towns of Judah.

King Rae Boham Adam and Niram, who was in charge

of the labor force to restore order, but the people

of Israel stoned him to death. When this news reached

King Raa Boam, he quickly jumped into his chariot and

fled to Jerusalem, and to this day, the northern times

of Israel have refused to be ruled by a descendant

of David. When the people of Israel learned of Jeroboam's

returned from Egypt, they called an assembly and made him

king over all Israel, so only the tribe of Judah

remained loyal to the family of David. Wow and Benjamin

just a bunch of So Judah and Benjamin teamed up

together because remember we talked about that, I think one

of the other episodes, how Benjamin is always kind of

lumped in with Judah as such a tiny little and

surrounded by I.

Think maybe you you're trying a long time ago back. Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah,

there's just a bunch of bickering and politics.

And it's a shame. He didn't have to have this happen, right,

So Raye Boham is Solomon's son and becomes king after

Solomon dies, and Jeroboam is the guy that God had

already told through the prophet, Hey, you're going to be

the next king, but was hiding out in Egypt.

So Raa Bauam should not have been king.

He was never going to be king except for the

fact that God had told Jerebo or had told Solomon, Hey, listen,

you're going to lose your kingdom because you're building these

temples to false gods to appease your wives, and so

he said, but to honor your father, I'm not going

to take it from you, but your family will not

rule all of Israel. I'm just going to leave you Judah,

and what's the other little tribe, Benjamin Benjamin. Yeah, Judah, Benjamin,

you're going to keep and the other ten are going

to leave you. And sure enough, here it is. This

is when it happens.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, I mean, there's all these little notes.

Here in the Life of Clesian study Bible, and it

says Rare Boham was made king at Shechem about thirty

five miles north of Jerusalem.

It would have been normal to anoint.

The new king in Jerusalem the capital city, but Reeboam

saw trouble brewing with Jerobom and went north to try

to maintain good relations with the northern tribes. He probably

chose Shechem because it was an ancient location for making

covenants see Joshua twenty four.

Yeah.

When the kingdom divided, Shecham became the capital of the

Northern Kingdom for a short time.

Yeah.

Yeah, Shechem was an important town. Samuel worked out of there.

There were a lot of you know, it was a

secondary city to Jerusalem. So if Jerusalem wasn't available, then

Shechem would be the next natural leadership place. But you know,

I think the sad thing here is rae Boam had

a chance chance to take it if you had listened

to a wise counsel. So as you read Solomon in Proverbs,

Solomon says, hey, with with the multitude of counselors, there's safety.

Solomon says with uh, with uh, you know, you make

your plans and get good counsel and and God will

guide your footsteps. And so there's so many, so many

times when Solomon advises get good counsel. And so a

lot of people think when they read that that just

means get counsel. But clearly here there's good counsel and

bad country.

Right, right, right, So not all counsel is right.

Yeah, not all your friends are are are have the

kind of wisdom that you need to guide your life.

I gotta I gotta tell you the uh. I just

came across this, So you're you're literally saying this, I

don't keep your thoughts if you had word to say.

That, I have lots of funck.

But I just literally came across this where this woman

and this guy are getting a divorce and I've known

them for years and years and years, and the wife

is getting advice from all of her friends. I shouldn't say, oh,

I should say a couple of her main friends, and

they're encouraging divorce and it's bad.

Advice, but it's all based on their lives.

So in other words, like her friends have been through divorce,

and you know they're talking about oh yeah, freedom and

you know, you deserve to be free again and all

these kinds of things. And so they're basically feeding this advice.

And so the guy who's my friend comes to me

and says, hey, what can I do?

Like? What can I do? Like?

She's not getting the right advice, and I'm not sure

there's much that I can do. So I'm going to try.

I'm going to try my very best to speak. You know,

hopefully my voice carries weight in her life. But I'm

just thinking to myself, geez, it is so important to

put yourself around right kind of friends, not only for advice,

but just for influence, I mean everything, because it does.

It doesn't just start with one piece of advice, right,

it is. It permeates. It's the tapestry of our lives

that that that just get woven together and every little

subtle thing that we pick up. It has to do

with walking with wise men shall be wise. It has

to do with, you know, surrounding yourself with godly people,

the influences of our lives to inspire us and lead

us versus those who would drag us down, you know,

being around people that you want to be like. I mean,

these are all really important principles that we should put

into place, and we need to recognize that there are

negative influences. And we may say ourselves we're strong, we

won't listen to them. We won't left their lives influence ours,

but inevitably, over time, sometimes you just you just don't

recognize it.

Yeah, well, it's it's amazing to me how clusters of

friends go through divorce. Right, Have you ever noticed that?

It's amazing how you watch a group of friends and

they're all really close, and then all of a sudden,

one one gets divorced, and then not long after, another

one gets divorced, and then another one, and then they're

all cheering on the last one that hasn't gotten divorce yet. Right,

it's amazing. Oh, come and be free. Right now, we're

all miserable, and we're all drinking too much, and we're

all out on the party scene, and we're all neglecting

our kids, and we're all right, all that stuff's happening too,

But misery loves company, loves it, and so so we

want you to be miserable too. We don't want to

be happy. And you know, it goes back to that phrase.

I say it all the time. My dad used to

say it all the time. You either are right now

or as soon shall be, just like the crowd you

run with. And so if you want what the people

around you are getting keep hanging out with them. If

you don't want what they then you need are living.

Then you need to live a different life, right, and

you get different group of friends. So anyways, he had

this opportunity and instead he kind of, uh, this is

an opportunity for servant leadership. So I think that the

greatest thing. You read what the old men said, right,

the old man said, if you're willing to be a

servant to these people today and give them a favorable answer,

they'll always be your loyal subjects. Now, I would not

say that. I think that the people always know what's

best for them, right. The people people don't always know

what's best, not really, But in this situation, it wouldn't

have been hard for Raybaum to look at it and go,

they're right. My dad has worked these people hard for

forty years. This has been a really hard time. He

collected heavy taxes because he built this giant temple. He

also built, you know, one of the richest buildings ever made.

He also built the palaces. He also you know, built

all these other cities and infrastructure. He taxed them hard,

and he worked them very hard. So if rea Baum

had thought, you know, what I'm gonna I'm gonna step

it back a little. You know, he's not saying I'm

not going to tax you anymore. He's not saying I'm

not going to expect you to produce and continue to

build the kingdom. But if he decided, okay, you know what,

the other wise men who also knew my father, they're recommending, Hey,

let's let's s dial it back a tick. Let's you

take fifteen percent off. And I think the people would

have went, okay, thank you. You know, you gave us

a margin. We get Fridays off, now we're Saturdays off instead.

He says, did you ever get whipped with a scorpion?

Yeah, exactly, you thought whipper. Yeah, my little finger is

thicker than my father's waist, right, that's what he's saying.

I'm way tougher than my dad. And so this idea

of servant leadership, there is something to that. If you're

a leader, whether what almost everybody has leadership or influence

over somebody, whether it's your children or your grandchildren, or

your neighbor or your coworkers or whatever. Servant leadership serving

your people will elevate you. Taking from your people will

eventually cause your people to rebel against you. And so

it's not about the power. And that's the shame here

is he trades leadership for the false promise of power. Yeah,

he thinks power is leadership and it's not.

Well you remember that little tiny book by John Maxwell,

The Servant Leader.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's such a small book.

I mean we're talking like you can sit down and

read that at a lunch break, right and uh. And

basically it talks about the different types.

Of leaders and uh and and and there's.

The people who think that the title is the leadership, right,

Like like if I have a title, you know, then

then I have leadership. And then and then he goes

through these different styles of leadership and and basically the

whole point of the book is is that the strongest

version and the most healthy version of leadership is servant leadership.

Right.

And and you know, a leader serves the people. The

leader is willing to serve by example all these different

kinds of things and uh. And then but in that book,

there's a quote that says, if you if you what

does it say? It says, if you're if you're leading

and no one's following your you're merely taking a walk.

Let me say that if you're if you're leading and

no one is following, you're merely just taking a walk,

which which means like, uh, yeah, you can have a position.

But go ahead and try to influence your people in

any given way and try to say, hey, guys, follow me,

we're doing this thing. And if nobody you know, supports you,

if nobody loves you and you're in that role I

don't mean loves you in gentlemen, in that role and

nobody wants to join you, then you're just a person

out taking a walk.

Man. So finding a group of people who are consistently

successful in the area that's important to you to have

some experience yep, that are older than you, that have

lived longer than you, that have seen this problem multiple

times before and navigated it successfully. Those are the wise

people you want to get advice from. You're peers who've

only seen it once or twice and may or may

not have been successful at it. This doesn't say that

Jero Boehme's peers knew anything about this at all, and

they were all a bunch of princes right with silver

spoons in their mouth kind of people, right. So you

need practical wisdom from people who've done it and seen

it and know how to navigate through it. And so

Solomon says, you know, in a multitude of counselors, there's wisdom,

and that multitude doesn't mean you need lots and lots

of counselors. What you need is a group of counselors

who have wisdom in specific areas that can guide you

forward and then trust them. You know, sometimes people will

come in and they'll want to ask me advice, and

I'll usually ask who else are you talking to? And

if they give me, oh, I'm getting advice from these

people and these people and these people and these people,

I like to know what you have to say. I'll

always say they're probably right, you should do what they do, right.

I don't really have any interest in spending the next

hour trying to pour out wisdom and then have you

just pick and choose. So I typically don't give you know.

Or if you come in and you ask, and then

I ask you, well who else you're getting advice from

and you say, well, this person, this person, this person,

I'll say, well, here's what I do, pop pop pop,

And I'm not going to give you a whole lot

of time. But the person who comes and goes listen,

I think that you have experience in this area, and

I think that you have success in this area, and

I want to duplicate that as much as possible. What

would you do that kind of person go? Okay, Now

that person's leaning in to my wisdom. The Book of

Proverbs says that wisdoms like a deep well and a

godly person will draw it out. Wells don't splash on you,

right or you walking by us a well, it doesn't

splash on you. You have to reach in and get

it when somebody's really digging into your wisdom, and then

to do it. So I think that there's something about

that for me as well. That often I'll look around

and instead of getting twenty five opinions, I'm not taking

a bunch of votes and then getting and then making

my decision based on the average of the votes. I

think that's always going to give you a dumb answer,

So instead it's going to give you a c answer. Instead,

I try to find the wisest person I know in

that area, or the wisest couple of people that I

know in that area, and then I will go and

say I will do what you tell me to do.

What should I do? And then they'll go, well, you know,

and usually wise people won't take exactly what to do.

They'll tell you how to think right, Well, in this situation,

this is what I'd be thinking, right, and then you

kind of start to chart it out. So then once

I get how to think from them, I'll come back

and say, this is my plan. Do you see anything

dangerous with that? Might go? Watch out for this, take

advantage of that, and then execute right. And there's some

I think if Jerobaohm had done that, he wouldn't have

lost his kingdom. Now, God had told Raya Boham the

kingdom's being divided, so it was going to happen, but

it happened because Raa Baham made dumb decisions right, right.

And by the way, this is a monumental event because

this marks the beginning of the division of the kingdoms

that will last for centuries.

Oh, centuries and centuries and centuries. You're exactly right.

Yeah, so it's huge.

So sometimes bad advice can cost not only you but

your kingdom for generations.

Yeah for sure.

Well that is all the time we have, so hopefully

we will See you next time on the Bible Guys.