Courage and Faith | Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego | Daniel 3:1-30

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So wow, Chris, it is so I keep saying, if

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For podcasts, Yeah, that's that. That might be. That might

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scripture reading and we're going to jump into Daniel chapter.

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Believe that with all my heart.

Okay, Well, anyways, we were going to read once again, yes,

Daniel chapter three, and this is one of my favorite

stories in the whole Bible. I think it is with

one of you two. So here we go. It says

in Daniels chapter three, King Nebu Kinnesser made a gold

statue ninety feet tall and nine feet wide and set

it up on the plane of Dura in the province

of Babylon. And then he sent messages to the high officers, officials, governors, advisors, treasurers, judges, magistrates,

and all the provincial officials to come to the dedication

of the statute set up. So all these official came

and stood before the king the statue King Nebukeinezer had

set up.

Then a herald shouted.

People of all races and nations and languages, listen to

the King's command. When you hear the sound of the horn, flute, zither, lear, harp, pipes,

and other musical instruments, bow to the ground to worship

King Nebucanezer's gold statue. Anyone who refuses to obey will

immediately be thrown into a blazing furnace. So at the

sound of the musical instruments, all the people, whatever the race,

or nation or language, bowed to the ground or worshiped

the gold statue that King Nebuconezzer had set up. But

some of the astrologers went to the king and informed

on the Jews. They said to King nebucon Azer, long

live the king. You issued a degree a decree requiring

all the people to bow down and worship the gold

statue when they hear the sound of the horn the flute,

the zither, the lear, the harp, pipes.

And other musical instruments.

That decree also states that those who refuse to obey

it must be thrown into a blazing furnace. But there

are some Jews, Shadrack, Mishak and Abtnigo, whom you have

put in charge of the prop to Babylon. They paid

no attention to you, your majesty. They refuse to serve

your gods and do not worship the gold statue you've

set up.

Then nebu Keinezer.

Flew into a rage in order that shadracked me shack

in a bed to go be brought before him. When

they were brought in, nebu Keinezer said to them, is

it true, shadrack me shack in a bed to go,

that you refuse to serve my gods or to worship

the gold statue I've set up. I will give you

one more chance to bow down or worship the statue

I've made when you hear the sound of the musical instruments.

But if you refuse, you will be thrown immediately into

the blazing furnace. And then what God will be able

to rescue you from my power Shadrack, me Shack, and

a bed and go, replied, oh, Nebu Canezzer, we do

not need to defend ourselves before you. If we are

thrown into the blazing furnace, the god whom we serve

is able to save us. He will rescue us from

your power, your majesty. But even if he doesn't, we

want to make it clear to you, your majesty, that

we will never serve your gods or worship the gold

statue you've set up. Nebu Caineza was so furious or Shadrack,

me shack in the bed and go, that his face

became distorted with rage. He commanded the furnace be heated

seven times hotter than usual, and then he ordered some

of the strongest men of his army to bind Shadrack, Meshack,

and a ben ago and throw them into the blazing furnace.

So they tied them up and threw them into the furnace,

fully dressed in their pants, turbans, robes, and other garments.

And because the king in his anger, had demanded such

a hot fire in the furnace, the flames killed the

soldiers as they threw the three men in, so shadracked

me shack and a bed and go securely tied fell

into the roaring flames. But suddenly Nebu Kinezer jumped up

in amazement and exclaimed to his advisers, didn't we tie

up three men and throw them into the furnace? Yes,

your majesty, we certainly did, they replied, Look, Nebu Cainnezer shouted,

I see four men unbound, walking around in the fire, unharmed,

and the fourth looks like a god. Then Nebu Canezer

came as close as he could to the door of

the flaming furnace and shouted, shadrack me shack in a

bed to go. Servants are the most high God, come out,

come here. So shadrack me shack and a bed and

go stepped out of the fire. Then the high officers, officials, governors,

anders crowded around them and saw that the fire had

not touched them. Not a hair on their heads were singed,

and their clothing was not scorched. They didn't even smell

like smoke. Then Nebukanezer said, praise to the God of

shadrag me shack and abed and go. He sent his

angels to rescue his servants who trusted in him. They

defied the King's command and were willing to die rather

than to serve or worship any god except their own.

Therefore, I make this decree.

If any people, whatever their race, or nation or language,

speak a word against the god of Shadrack, Meshack and

Abed ne Go, they will be torn limb from limb,

and their houses will be turned into heaps of rubble.

There is no other god who can rescue like this.

Then the king promoted Shadrag, me Shack and Abed to

go to even higher positions in the province of Babylon.

I mean, come on, there's not a more epic tale.

I mean, I can think about it. I mean, this

stands among the top right, Yes, it's definitely in the

top ten.

Absolutely for sure, best movie in the Bible.

Yes, well them, you know I think that, right, I

see this playing out movie wise, with all the emotion

and drama and score of the music underneath. Right, look

at my shirt today, leave the gun, take the canoli.

What what movie is that you've told me before? I

can't remember. It is a Godfather.

It's such a classical line. It's so great, so.

So I think it's funny how how extreme neby Canezra is.

Oh goodness.

So he goes, He's like, I'm gonna build a ninety

foot statue if anybody doesn't, and then I'm gonna have

a rock band play before you have to get down

and worship it. And then if you don't worship it,

I'm gonna throw you in a fiery furnace. And this

is like an industrial furnace, like for making bricks or

steel or not steel but iron or something like that.

Then they're they're.

Like, uh, throw them in the fire and it was

turned up hotter and uh. Then the guys that he

throws them in they die. And then when when God

rescues them, he goes, all right, anybody who doesn't honor

the Goddish hatter massion, I'm going to tear them limb

from limb and destroy their houses.

Ye.

It's like he's manic or something, just totally over the

top top.

Yeah.

Now as we remember Shadwack me check at Bendigo where

the friends of Daniel, we just read in Daniel chapter one,

and uh and Daniels I mentioned here and and and

uh so maybe Daniel's out of town.

We don't know.

He's out for a smoke break.

Yeah right, no, right, smoke, Yeah, there you go.

So uh so, anyway, here's here's what I love. I mean,

there's so many things I love, but the main thing

I love by far is their response to the king,

because because this king says, you know, hey, what, God's

going to save you from my hand, my power. He's

threatening him, and he's saying, like, do you not recognize

who I am in this moment? There's the furnace, you know,

here you are, and I am telling you you better

do this. I'll give you one more chance because nothing

is going to stop you from my wrath.

And and and then it's basically what he says.

And then I love it because they said, we're not

careful to answer you in this matter.

Right, Like, we don't have to we think about this.

It says, we do not need to defend ourselves.

This translation says, but another version would say, we're not

even careful. In other words, we don't even have to

calculate our words. We don't have to think twice, we

don't have to pray about it, we don't even have

to think.

Listen, do you.

Understand that our minds are made up. Much like in

chapter one when they resolved in their minds. Daniel one eight, right,

he resolved in his own heart. He says, we don't

have to we don't have to discuss this. We just

want to let you know very clearly, right, we'll never

do it. And God's able to rescue us. But if

he doesn't, let it be know, we will never right.

And so it's just I love it.

It's just such a stance of saying we have made

up our mind a long time ago that we will

never do this.

We don't need a second chance.

No, let's not waste any time, right, we don't need

to waste any time at all. Now they're very respectful,

and I can appreciate about these young men. This is

one of those things that you found. I pointed that

out in Daniels chapter one as well, that they tend

to be pretty respectful to the king even though they're captives,

and there is something about that diplomacy. But even here,

even in their defiance, they're not defying him as as

you know, all of a sudden, now they're out protesting

and we're going to burn down your buildings and we're

gonna you know, deface your property or anything like that.

They're just saying, listen, we're going to stand on our principles.

You don't need to give us a second chance. We're

not going to do it, your majesty, And they did.

They called him your majesty a couple of times. And

so it's possible for us to disagree and still be

you know, ladies and gentlemen when when we're you know,

letting people know, hey, we're just not going to go

that direction.

Yeahs.

You know, I look back in my life when I

first became a Christian, I was always taught, and it

was a model for me to be quite honest, I

hate to say it this way, but sort of like

to disrespect authority.

Like we like we were always mad at teachers.

Oh they're just the worst.

I'm mad at policeman. Ah the you know, I smell bacon.

Here comes a cop car. You know, like, oh dude.

We were totally disrespectful, right, which of course I'm totally

in the opposite now right, totally respect police officers.

But back then we just didn't. It was like, I

don't know what it was.

It was almost like our family, you know, it was

a bunch of blue collar people on the south side

of or you know, west side of Youngstown that just

wanted to you know, you know, give it back to

the man, you know what I mean. And so consequently,

there was a lot of times where I think that

I stood up for what I believed in, even in Christianity,

my faith, but I.

Did not do it.

I did not do it respectfully. Like I think of

high school. I think of my teacher that was out

for me, and she really was. She hated the fact

I was a Christian. She publicly mocked me. She was

an atheist, and she made fun of me. And I

stood back up to her, but I did it so

disrespectfully because she was going to make fun of me,

I was gonna make fun of her. And I wish

I wud have done it differently. I wish I would

have taken the upper higher road, you know. But but yeah,

you're right, they totally show respect and and and that's

probably what kept them their jobs at the end, right,

because God delivered them.

And come to find out, you know, they.

Didn't shame him.

No, they just stood on principle, right, that's all, yes,

And so they don't have to shame a king who

disagrees with them, or who is even a bad man.

They just stood on their principle and said, hey, we're

willing to suffer the consequences.

Now.

You and I know the story. I mean, this is

one of the most famous stories in the Bible. Most

of our listeners probably have heard some version of this story.

But they didn't know what was going to happen. They

had a really good shot that this was going to

be the end of it for them. They said, hey,

our God is able to protect us, and he is

going to deliver us from your demands. But they're not saying,

you know, if he doesn't save us. They're not saying

we know for sure God's going to do it, because

they go, if he doesn't save us, well then that's

okay too, because we're still not going to bow right.

And the kind of courage it takes to stand on principle,

not knowing what the outcome was going to be and

still being civil when I mean facing death here, and

I don't think it's going to be a pleasant death.

No, So they must be looking down into a furnace, right,

So the picture makes more sense, you know, because furnaces

sometimes they'll have like like like a lower spot where

you can shove cole into it, you know. So it

wasn't that it had to have been it had to

have been something opening big enough for spectators to view.

So the studies and the readings.

That I've seen in the past was probably like an

open top, you know, open top with some sort of

an elevated platform to throw things down in. Right, It's

like you'd throw down into a pit or something. And

so that would make more sense because if the strong

men were consumed by the flames, it makes more sense

that they were consumed by flames going up perhaps, right,

I mean, we don't know, But then think about it.

The king always is elevated. We know that king's always elevated,

So the king would be in a position to look

down into the furnace. How else can you see four

people through a doorway? Right, But if it's an open top, well,

it does.

Say he could he came as close as he could

to the door of the flaming furnace. What yeah, does

it really twenty six?

Be quiet?

I want took it where verse twenty.

Six the debucators came in closest he could to the

door of the flaming first. Wow, everything I just said

I'd take back.

Well, it doesn't have to be it can be that way.

But somehow he could see in and there was a

big door entrance there.

Wow. But you know what, I'm not sure I ever

really cut that.

Yeah, there was.

There's a note in here that talks about it.

Let me let me find it.

You know, hey, listen, listen now that I've humiliated myself

in front.

Of Oh, I'm sorry you humiliated yourself. No, no, no, because

you were making another point besides, I was.

Yes, I was going to talk about the Son of

God or the you know, the Theophany part of it.

But the no, here's what I was going to say

is in Bible college. Uh, that's what we were reading into.

And so I drew a cartoon of this entire thing.

I drew like a stick figure, a comic book style.

It was one of my homework assignments.

Yeah, it was really cool, and I remember how it

ended too, And he says, I decree today, and then

the last frame was him going like this, and it says,

your God is okay.

It's really funny. But anyway, all I was going to say.

Is I drew it in such a way to where

he was looking down and seeing all four people, and

I drew them in lounge chairs with coconut palm beach.

It was really funny.

I wonder, let me look it up in other translations

while you tell this piece and see if it's just.

Opening or something like that.

It's more of a generic phrase than just what this says.

But listen this though.

What I was going to say is is that we

debated long and heard.

I'm sure you've talked about it too.

We don't really know what the angel or the Son

of God, the supernatural being really was, right. So in

other words, he says in here this translation the fourth

one looks like a god. And then there's another translation

that says the son of a God, right right.

King James just says, looks like the son of God.

The son of God, right and so and so we

don't know if this was a theophany where it was

an appearance of Christ in the Old Testament, or it

was just perhaps an angel that looked like a son

of a God. That little g meaning like nebu Caner

would not know, right, But it's definitely clear that it's supernatural,

and the fact that they came out, and it actually

says that they didn't smell like smoke.

Is phenomenal, is incredible.

Their hair wasn't singed. To walk to walk in the

fire completely unharmed and not have your hair singed or

smell like smoke, it's pretty amazing.

So you and I grew up on the King James.

Yes Bible right, yes, King James.

So that say about the door of the furnace and yeah.

And so I think you got your idea from this.

It says then nebu Canzer came near the mouth of

the burning fiery furnace.

Ah see, so yeah, in Bible College that is exactly.

So this is what you would have would have had,

is the mouth. Now almost all the other translations are

saying the door. Yes, but you're you're growing up and

learning the story, it just says mouth then leaves it

more open then.

Yeah, because it would have been literally the opening, the opening, the.

Opening of the furnace that he looked into.

So there you go.

I let you have to hook there, buddy, because I

was feeling bad about that man.

So there's a reason to believe that perhaps.

It could have been the way you were describing it.

Yes, the door.

The bigger issue is the king could see.

Yes, a bunch of guys died. These three guys didn't.

And I love that it describes here that they were

wearing pants. Right, it was to say that he throws

them in there and they're wearing their Where does it

say so they tied them up through them in it

fully dressed and their pants and turbans and robes and

other garments.

Yeah, what's your all flammable face to describe.

Like during pin Actually, we threw them in there with

all their kindling. Right, That's that's how you would have thought.

And that's incredible.

So they look you know, there's a there's a song

I used to love still do the Crab families to

sing it? Jason Krabb was the singer of his old

Southern gospel song, and it says that, uh, he never

promised that the cross would not get heavy or the

hill would not be hard to climb.

Yeah. Right.

He never offered a victory without fighting, but he'd always

show up right in time. But then the whole story

of the song is this story Sherry scheck in bed

and go and then he'll go, he'll uh, he'll go

through the fire with you is the thing.

Right.

So God didn't promise that life wasn't was going to

be easy, right. He didn't say it was always going

to be mountaintops. He didn't say that every big decision

you needed to make was going to be a simple

decision with no big consequences. In this situation, it was

the most devastating thing.

Yeah.

Otherwise God would have just showed up and said no

and avoided the whole thing. Right.

But his glory often is magnified when his people decide

to do the right thing and then He shows up

just in time to take them through it.

Right.

Yeah, because that's how faith has played out in our lives.

So if God asks us to make the hard decisions

to you know, to stand up, to say no to

the wrong, to resist temptation, to live in faith, to

give right, to give up our time, resources are volunteerism,

whatever it is, make the choice to stand on morality.

All of those things require faith first. Right.

It reminds me of when he says, hey, step into

the Jordan river and then I'll part the river.

Right.

Remember when they're crossing the Jordan and they're holding and

they're holding the arc and if they touch it. They're

going to die and the Jordan River's raging, and he says,

step into it. It's like, no, we're gonna step first.

We're not going to part the waters first. We're gonna

ask you to take a step of faith. And that's

sort of what it is. But again, this is even

different than that because there's no direct command. Shad wreck me,

Scheck and Bendigo just see the golden image, they see

their situation. There's not a warning of exactly what to do.

They just know I'm not doing what's wrong, and they

just decide we're not doing it. And and here's another

thing I love.

I love how when when they come out.

It says that immediately Shad wrecked Me, Scheck and Bendigo said,

there's no other God that could be rescued like this.

So think about this. There's a whole sermon in there.

There's a whole sermon in there.

That says, when other people see God in our lives,

they are amazed, and they could be, they could be,

they could do a one eighty because because you know,

after all, have you ever met a person that you're

absolutely amazed that God has done these incredible things in

their lives, and you're like, that's almost miraculous, right. And

sometimes it's as simple as them being able to love

and forgive in a situation where nobody else can, right,

Or sometimes it's miraculous circumstantially, or sometimes it's beyond coincidence.

But there are people who are non.

Believers who will turn, you know, and you would never

guess they would turn. Who would ever guess that that

same king who says.

Bow down because I got the power is going.

To turn around and say, let me tell you about

this God? Right?

Who would ever guess? And it's because they see kisaw

God work in their lives.

And that's what I was getting at when I was

saying that, you know, God is sometimes more glorified in

his people going through the difficult thing with him and

coming out on the other side, and everybody else goes, Wow, God,

I don't know how they made it through that, but

their God brought them through it, right, And so that's

I think we're saying the same thing there. But then

what happens as a result of this These young men

who could not know what was going to happen, they

believed God could rescue them. They hoped God to rescue them.

They didn't know he would rescue them. Then God shows up,

they get a miracle. That's pretty cool, But I think

it's pretty clear the miracles not just for them. Right,

A lot of times our prayers for miracles are for us,

our comfort, our wants, our sadness, our joy, that's what

that's usually how we pray. In this situation, the miracle

saved them, but I think it was for the kingdom.

Right now, they benefited, but it was to get the

attention to the king. It was to get the attention

of all these people. He set up a ninety foot statue. Dude,

it was telling the whole country you have to worship this.

And by the end of this little story, he goes on,

never mind, this God is really impressive. Right, nobody gets

to say anything bad about this God. And everybody knew

that it was God. So it was bigger than just

the three, That's what I'm saying. And there's a bigger

story happening in your life, and you are a part

of a bigger story. God's story is bigger.

Than any one of our stories.

So then when our needs align with his needs in

his glory, that's when we see incredible miracles, and so

they chose to do the right thing, and God rescued them.

And then when it's all done, it says in verse thirty,

then the king promoted Shadrack Mesheck and they had to

go to even higher positions of the province of Babylon.

And I've thought a lot about that. Why it's not

that he owed them anything, right, he didn't know the manything. Hey,

congratulations you lived.

They were all right?

Right?

What can he offer them that's better than what just

happened to them?

Yeah?

Right, And these guys are powerful men now in the kingdom. Wow,

they can't be killed apparently so. And they were already rulers,

they were already leaders. But now he moves them to

higher positions. I think it's because he knew he could

trust them. Yeah, their integrity is through the roof. We

will do what we say, we will do at any cost.

Right, And if they serve a god that is so powerful,

then hey, better to have that God on your side.

Right with your guys, because they're my guys. Is what

Sid or maybe kid is. We're saying, Hey, one last thing,

because any of our time's coming up. That statue had

to have been a architectural marvel. Ninety feet it's only

nine feet wide and it stay stall. Yeah, I mean wow,

that's pretty good construction.

Yeah, aggressive side and then one last little thing, and

I think it's there's real strength and friendship, right. Yeah,

it's pretty cool that they didn't have to go through

it alone. That's true, and so I'm glad you're my friend, buddy.

Hey, there it is.

There we go.

There's the application. I think The Bible Guys is better.

It'd be weird if if the show is called The

Bible Guys and.

There's only one of us or the Bible Guy. Yeah,

it's not so the Loan Bible Guys like.

The Twin Pines mall. It goes down to the Loan

Pine mall. Right, anybody, no, you don't know No, back

to the future. Oh okay, sorry, another movie referenced. Hey,

that is our time, and so we will pick it

up with Daniel the next time and hopefully we'll see

then on the bubble gush