“Follow Me, and I Will Make You Fishers of Men” | Matthew 4:17-22

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Yes, so we've gone through this is like, how many

episodes have we done? Seven hundred and something.

Else seven six today?

Yeah?

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playing today, right, right, yeah, while we're recording. Yes, So anyways,

we're over seven hundred episodes, and we've gone through the

entire New Testament, that's right, the entire Old Testament. Well,

we went through highlight virtually the Old Testament, almost every

verse of the New Testament, most of the Old Testament.

Then we did every and we've also done all two

hundred and fifty events in the Life of Jesus, that's right,

And you just go on and on. I mean, we're

very prolific, very prolific.

We've also done verse by verse certain books of the

Old Testament as well.

Yeah.

Yeah, so this one, I thought because I was trying

to think about it, and I was talking with Dez

and des Ray and I couldn't remember what it was

I committed to do. And because we had this big

planning meeting. Yeah, and I don't know, I slept since

then or something. I do know if it rolled out

my ears, it slept, yeah, yeah, and it rolled out

my ears. I don't remember. So I was working on

this idea, and I was thinking, I'd really like to

get back into talking about the teachings of Jesus. Sure,

and then I thought, what if Jesus had his own podcast?

Oh right, yeah, and so let's just take the sayings

of Jesus. Yeah, that's what I was thinking. So we're

just going to go through a bunch of the sayings

of Jesus for the next several weeks.

Can we call it Jesus's famous.

Quotes Jesus Famous quotes?

Yeah, famous quotes by Jesus.

Famous quotes.

Okay, very cool.

They still work today, by the way, I'm a big fan,

big fan of them.

They still work today. Yeah, that's funny.

So that's what we're gonna do for the next I

don't know, like ten twelve weeks something like.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, so next three months you hang

in there, oh no, no, twelve oh yeah, yeah, it is.

Well, I thought you met twelve episodes, but no, you

met twelve.

Weeks, ten or twelve weeks?

Okay, okay, all.

Right, So before we dive into that, we have a

segment today.

Called mail bags, and both of our voices are struggling.

So yes, reason why.

I couldn't get my harmonies up that was as high

as I could go.

Okay, So mail bags today here is. This is written

in called Stephen H or Steve Hyeah.

Steve H says my wife and I love listening to

you too every morning. Oh I've always wanted to send

in a mail bag question, so I'm finally doing it.

Oh, there you go.

That's awesome.

Congratulations.

So here it is, as fellow pet owners dot dot dot,

if your pet could talk, what do you think they

might say about?

Oh?

No, okay, listen.

First of all, Steve, I have never had that thought

in my life.

I have not either.

Wow, what might they say about me?

What for us? Yes, pet owners if your pets talk's.

See okay, let me just start with the fact that

I have cats, yes, and so cats are devious in nature.

Have you ever seen those Have you ever seen those

things where it says what a dog.

Is thinking what a cat is thinking, yes, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, they're so funny. The dog is like, hey, you're home.

I'm so happy, and give me a bone. And then

and then the cat is like day number three hundred

and eighty five of my captivity.

It's like they refuse to fill my bowl. They're trying

to starve me.

If I could eat them, I would, If I could

eat them.

I would.

They never five hundred captivity And it says something like

the attack me with the with the large vacuum or something.

It's so funny because.

Because they're just angry. Yes, yeah, cats are deep.

They're sort of non appreciative, although you know they love you,

they have affection, right, but they sort of are that way.

They're independent. They don't need you.

So uh well, I think. So I have two dogs,

my wife, My wife and daughter have to go.

And don't forget that. Don't forget their names.

Gucci and Chanel. Right, that's your name.

It's the least manly thing about it.

Yeah, I know you're like hunting, dear, so Gucci Gucci

is very emotional, and so I would say Gucci probably

if he could talk to me, he'd want to make

sure we're okay, are we okay? I mean, he looks

deeply in your eyes, he gets up on your lap.

He wants to make sure everything's okay right, And Chanel

would be like, do you have any snacks? That's that's

pretty much it. I don't know that Chanelle has any

deep thoughts in her head at all. We can't teach

her any tricks, we can't. She's just she dumber in

a box of rocks. But she's sweet. She's just dumb,

but she just wants treats. But Gucci seems to be

very dialed into the emotional temperature of the room all

the time. So okay, I imagine he'd want to know,

make sure we're okay.

So excuse me, I have two cats.

You're already board. We're five minutes into the episode board.

I uh no, I uh.

I used to have more cats, and uh and they've

they've slowly, sadly, sadly enough, they've slowly sort of died

because we got them all at the same time, and

then one by one they've just sort of gave up

the ghost. And so I'm now down to two. So

uh so Max is like thirteen years old?

Wow?

And then I had one that went to twenty one.

Yeah.

Wow, Champlin twenty one champ.

He was the champ.

He was the champ.

Now that's like Guinness World Record, I know, I know.

And then and then I uh, then I have Cleo,

and Cleo is I think, like ten years old.

Wow.

So anyway, Max is getting old enough to where I

think all he wants are treats all the time. So

I think it's just feed me. Why do you starve me?

And when you give him treats he throws up. Actually,

oh nice, So because he's old enough to where he

can't really handle it, so you give him more, you know,

so what he wants is not good for him, right,

So it's just why why do you deny me treats?

Is really sort of what he would say, wow, And

then I would say Cleo would say, am I safe?

Now?

You know she spends like ninety percent of her time

hidden under Liz's bed and she doesn't come out, and

so we'll have a house guest. And and look, my

mom and dad came in from osday weekend and I said,

I guarantee you you're not going to see Cleo at all,

not even once. And if you do it'll be a

miracle and you may see Cleo once. She'll hide and

she only comes out like at midnight when everybody's gone

to bed, and she'll sneak out and come down.

If you're watching TV. Wow, I know terrible.

It's terrible.

And you know the reason why.

I think it's because of childhood trauma. She was thrown

out of a car in a.

Busy traffic, so she's trying to avoid that.

Yeah, traumatized.

And then somebody saved somebody saved the kitten on the

side of the road.

Huh.

She was just thrown out of a moving car and

then we took.

Her, and you took her. You guys rescued her.

That's right.

So I looked it up. Twenty one years was how

long your cat lived? Yeah, and this says the world

record for the age of a domestic house cat is

held by Creampuff, who lived an astounding thirty eight years

in three days.

Oh my word.

She was born August third, nineteen sixty seven and passed

on August six, two thousand and five, in Austin, Texas.

That's the officially verified longevity champ.

Wow.

So your champ is chump Champ Jump that's right. The context.

For context, the average lifespan of indoor cats typically falls

between thirteen and twenty years. Yeah, so that's the average.

The current oldest verified living cat is Flossie, which was

born December twenty ninth, nineteen ninety five. So coming up

on thirty years. Wow, Yeah, it's impressives.

We go.

So your champ was nothing, Well, i'll.

Tell you what.

We've had some we've had some pretty cool cats. I've

liked my cats.

Will yeah yeah, good talking about nothing and champs. Okay,

I've got nothing about either of those things. We've got

to get into the we're trying to transition.

Into this this speaking of champs, you know who is

the champ Jesus.

Jesus, Jesus is a champ. And he said, I'm going

to make you champion fishermen. No, no, no, that's not

going to work.

That's not gonna work. No, just leave it at that, okay,

just take take the wind.

All right. I'm sorry. So we are in this in

these like famous sayings of Jesus. Yes, right, and today

there's lots of them. We're clearly not going to cover

them all. No, but we're just kind of there's this

random selection of get to know Jesus, and and when

he comes to his disciples, he has when he's picking

them at the beginning of his ministry, he's choosing his disciples,

he has a really clear vision of what he wants

for them. And so in Matthew chapter four, verse seventeen,

it says, from then on Jesus began to preach repent

of your sins and turned to God, for the Kingdom

of Heaven is near. That was his message. That's what

he's preaching. So one day, as Jesus was walking along

the shore of the Sea of Galilee, he saw two brothers,

Simon also called Peter and Andrew, throwing a net into

the water, for they fished for a living, and Jesus

called out to them, come follow me, and I will

show you how to fish for people. And they left

their nets at once and followed him. A little further

up the shore, he saw two other brothers, James and John,

sitting on the boat with their father's zebede, repairing their nets,

and he called to them too, and they immediately followed him,

leaving the boat and their father behind. So there you go.

So what is the famous quote.

The famous quote come follow me, and I'll show you

how to be fishers of men or this this translation

says fish for people.

Yes, now you remember that song. I will make you

fishers of men, fishers and men, fishers of men.

I will make you no fishers have been if you follow.

Me, okay, yeah, at least get to the following me.

Okay, okay.

So so yeah, so that's a song in what Sunday school?

If you grew up with a Sunday.

School, that's right, and then uh and then yeah, anyway,

the point is I was gonna tell you children's story,

but that's okay. I did children's ministry. Did you do

children's men?

Yes?

Yes, yes, yeah, so so I have all those child

songs in my head.

Yeah yeah. I had my number one rule when I

was a children's worker was no crying. I would tell

the kids that, all right, what's pastor Jeff's number one rule?

And then all yo, no crying? Is that right? Yep?

Oh my goodness. That means you made them cry a lot.

No no, no, no, they didn't cry, stop crying out.

They placed each other. Yeah, a pastro justtion on one rules,

we don't cry.

Okay. So I was children's director well off and on.

I mean, you know, like I had volunteers that took

that role. But I was over children's ministry for like

eight years, and I'm not sure I've ever had a

problem with anybody crying. Yeah, why'd you have to create

a number one rule about it?

Yeah, Cuse I didn't want any crying. Wow, the little winers,

they want to go home, they want their mommy, dad, whatever.

I don't think I was wired for children's ministry.

Well, my church was also a small church. We kind

of knew each other too, right, so you know, we

just leveraged the relationship.

I'm going to call your mom in here.

I was. I was running on a wana program that

had like two hundred and fifty kids in it.

Wow. Okay, so that's a little bit different. Yeah yeah,

yeah yeah.

And he had everything from like kindergarten to sixth grade.

Yeah.

So I ran a vacation Bible school. My biggest that

I've ever had with kids. I ran a vacation Bible

school in the year of nineteen ninety eight, and I

had it was it was a fair theme, like a

like a like a festival carnival kind of theme, and

we had five hundred kids in the parking lot with

a bunch of carnival made makeshift carnival rides, and it

was kind of cool. And our auditorium only held three hundred,

so we had standing wall to wall all the way

into the lobby, hundreds of people for the message.

It was.

It was probably the highlight of that of that what

of my eight years there, that was that was the

most we've ever had.

It was kind of cool.

So to give some background on this this story, these

guys already knew Jesus. Yeah, right, Peter and Andrew already

knew Jesus. James and John already knew Jesus because they

were also part time followers of John the Baptist. And

so in John chapter one, it tells us that Peter

and Andrew had already had an interaction with Jesus and that

they had and then when Jesus called them, they knew

who he was. They knew that John the Baptist said,

this is the Lamb of God who's going to take

away the sins of the world. They had see, perhaps

been witnesses to his baptism. You know, the dove, the

Holy Spirit descends from heaven, the voice from God, said,

the Father says, this is my beloved, soigning whom I'm

well pleased. So they had an awareness of who Jesus is,

and that is like, hey, we're big fans. Good job, Jesus.

We think you're a good guy. But I don't know

that they'd ever contemplated I'm going to quit my business.

Peter was a business owner, right, As a matter of fact.

At one point it mentions Peter and James and John

and Andrew and all those us and that there were

multiple boats, many boats. So this is like a fishing operation.

These aren't two guys out there with a pole in

the water. These are guys that are running a fishing

operation with nets and men and boats and all this stuff.

And so Jesus asked him, I want you to leave

your business and come and follow me. And I'm going

to make you fishers of men. I think what he's

doing is he's giving purpose to their life. You know, Uh,

you're fishing for fish. You know, okay, good, that's necessary.

But let me let me give you something that's even

more important than that.

Right and uh, and and by the way, that's a

great message, because I want to talk about something else.

Too.

But let's not get off of that topic right away,

because we understand that if you make widgets for a living, yeah,

and you make a great you know, salary, and you

provide for your family. Uh, those are important things.

That's important and exactly right, and we we.

Can find purpose in those things. We could provide excellent

customer service, We could help humanity, uh, you know, and

and and so we can try to find you know,

and and and even if widgets are just for fun

and they're not essential and you don't feel like you're

helping humanity, you're still providing for your family. So right,

But that's the reason why a lot of people get

to the end of their lives and even though they

spent their life making money and they you know, they

could even be successful at it, they sort of transition.

And what they do is they go from what is

it into significance. It's the search for significance.

That book, Yeah, from success to significant Yeah, that's right,

that's right, the book's halftime, that's right.

Yeah, yeah, from success to significance. And a lot of

people they know what success is, but then they just realize, geez, you.

Know, what is it all for? You know, making a living.

Sure, I'm eating and my kids are living indoors and

they're well clothed and provided for, but you know, I

want to do something that really matters in the life

of people. And so a lot of people they try

to find things, especially you know, midlife crisis type age,

your retirement age, right where they say, I want to

do something significant. Now this isn't everybody, but I do

have a feeling that there are a number of people

even listening that are probably right at that crossroads that

think the same thing. And it's not that you haven't

done important things, it's just that there are things that

are more important right right, Like remember when Jesus was

meeting with Mary and Martha, and and remember Martha was

upset that Mary was sitting at the feet of Jesus.

And Martha says, hey, I'm I'm the host and we're

supposed to be host together and these are important things

and and uh, and Jesus essentially said, hey, Martha, what

you're doing is important, but there is something more important,

right and then and this eternal significance right like she's

sitting at the feet of Jesus. Mary has chosen what

is more important and I'm not going to deny that

from her. And so that's sort of what we're saying here.

It's like, hey, they're fishermen. It's an important thing, but

there's something more important. We're going to have you reverberate

your effects all throughout eternity. Right, You're going to do

things that last beyond this world.

Right.

If you feed a kid of fish and he'll leave

for a day, but that's right. You fish for a

soul and they last for an eternity.

So I think that that that conversation we were having

about work, all work that is legal, right and moral. Yes,

all work that is legal and moral has value, I think. Right,

whether it's creating jobs or just feeding the family and

clothing the family and keeping the family living indoors, those

things are all good. It's one of the things God

made us for. Work is not a curse, right. A

lot of work gives us purpose and gives us something

to do and to hone our skills, those kinds of things.

The curse for sin was that work was going to

be difficult and that it wouldn't produce what we would

expect it to produce. Right, That's that was the thing.

So you know, if you're talking about the widget thing, right,

so you make a widget, you may go, hey, you

know it's not the most important thing in the world.

That's fine. As long as you're paying your bills and

you're taking care of your family and you're contributing to society,

that's a good thing. It's what God made you to

do to provide for your family. But then what Jesus

did when he comes alongside of Peter, James and John

is say, okay, now let me give you some purpose too.

So whatever your work is, if your work is honest

and provides for your family, that's great. But if you're

not finding a ton of fulfillment in it, then just

understand God gave you that work to fund your ministry, right,

so you put it. Paul. We think of Paul as

being like a full time preacher. He wasn't. He was

a tent maker. He made tents so that he could

fund the ministry of spreading churches all over all over

the Mediterranean, and.

So he had a different he had a different obstacle

to overcome.

Right.

So, churches were brand new back then, and people were

very leery of false prophets and people who just wanted

to eat and say a bunch of truth. So he

became a tent maker just so he could what like

above reproach.

And there wasn't a system when he moved into a

new town. There wasn't a system to provide for his

needs financially. So he went and got a job. So

what to do. Yay, I'll make some tense. I'll provide

my own way. I'm not going to beg you for money.

I'm going to provide my own way. And there is

a lot to be said about the dignity of just

good work in general. Right, But he used his tent

making to fund his ministry. So if you're looking at

your job, Jesus is celebrating the fact that you're working,

that you have a job. That's good. But if it's

not particularly fulfilling, you're saying, this isn't my purpose in life,

this is just funding my life. Then finding your purpose

is incredibly important, right, And that's what Jesus did with Peter,

James and John saying, okay, your fishers of men, but

I'm going to teach you to do something that has

some real significance. I ran across a quote recently. I

was just digging around in my phone looking for it.

William Carey was one of the great early missionaries from

Great Britain back in the eighteen hundreds, and he said,

I'm not afraid of failure. I'm afraid of succeeding at

things that don't matter. Isn't that powerful?

That's really powerful?

And so it's it's not about the job that I'm doing,

it's about also doing something that matters. So if your

job doesn't feel like it matters that much, you just

understand God gave that to you to fund the ministry

that will matter. So let's find that ministry that matters.

Yeah, that's really good.

Yeah.

And then and the other part that I wanted to

touch on is that, you know, if you try to

add context or suppose context to this story, you would say,

why in the world would like James and John leave

their father's business and leave their father hanging, right? Because,

after all, everybody knows today even that if you're you know,

if you're Zebedee and you've got your two boys working

for you, that's a pretty big deal of those two

boys leave that business, right, true, And then Peter is

shutting down his own business, like what would ever make

them do that based on one sentence from Jesus. And

the answer is that if you're a good Jewish boy,

one of the highest honors of a Jewish boy's life

would be to be called by a rabbi, right, and

to follow a rabbi and to train under a rabbi.

To be chosen by a rabbi is a great, great honor.

Now it doesn't say so, but there is a good

likelihood that Peter, James, and John and maybe some others

maybe they grew up and maybe they tried to follow

a rabbi and maybe they were rejected, right, because not

everybody gets chosen by a rabbi. And so there's a

good portion of young, good Jewish boys who you know,

who you know, they start their training by the age

of twelve. They have to have the entire book of

the Torah memorized, right, every single word of the first

five books of Moses, of the Old Testament, they have

to have it memorized. So they, I mean, every good

Jewish boy dedicates their life to those kinds of things,

and to be chosen by a rabbit is a great honor.

And so again it doesn't say but there's a great

possibility that you know, they're older now, Peter's older, you know,

and they've been sort of they sort of passed that

window of being chosen and to be trained by them

to fall.

They were definitely overlooked. Yes, they were probably assessed and

determined they didn't have what it took. Yes, or to

the other boys.

Yes, and and so for Jesus to come along and say,

follow me, it's not just that we've heard of this

famous guy.

It's more than that.

It's the fact that I've been chosen, and I've been

chosen by a rabbi.

It would have felt like a second chance for some

of them.

Yes, yeah, yes, and so and so that's really important

to know. And so even somebody like Zebedee would probably

have looked at his boys and said, are you kidding me?

Go like that is a great honor. I can't believe

finally a rabbi is choosing my boys. So he would

have might have even encouraged it.

Right.

Well, I love the fact that Jesus comes in. The

first four disciples are dock workers, right, They're fixing nets,

they're fishermen, they're dock workers. There. These are not the

creme de la creme of the academia world at the time,

and I ran across another great missionary, David Brainer wrote

this prayer. He said, Lord, let me make a difference

for you that is utterly disproportionate to who I am.

Isn't that fantastic. I'm going to put that in my office.

I found that quote. I'm going to have it printed

up and put it in my office. I love that idea.

God.

I want to make an impact that is utterly disproportionate

to who I am. And God delights in using ordinary

people who don't feel like they have much to offer,

but when they just get up and go when God

says and so you know what that purpose was. You

know they were fixing. They were fixing nets. Maybe you're

building a widget. Their purpose was, and your purpose is,

let's go reach more people who don't know Jesus. That's it.

So whatever we can do to reach more people that

will give you. That's that shift from success to significance.

That is when we finally move over start reaching people

that don't yet know Jesus. And there's a skill set

to that, certainly, but there's also the power of the

Holy Spirit in us that gives us the words to say,

and so just having the courage to get on that mission. Man,

it's amazing. Yeah.

And then they spent the rest of their lives spending

time mending nets and then casting them and reeling in people.

That's right, that's right, you know, in the form of ministry.

So hey, that is our time, and so hopefully you

enjoy this idea of if what if Jesus had a podcast.

We'll see you tomorrow on the Bible. Guys,