Bible Guys Classics: Romans 7

Hey, guys, we're so excited to be here. In fact,

we got Jeff Forrester in the house.

He's back.

Hey, it's good to be back.

That's right.

So today we're continuing in our conversation in the Book

of Romans as we start to talk about have you

ever had a time when you wanted to do the

right thing and it just seemed like you couldn't. Well,

that's what Paul's talking about today. So he's Kyle and

I'm Jeff, and we're the Bible guys. Okay, Kyle, that's right.

Hey, So I want you want to ask because the

people I know me and Chris told people last week.

I think he was like, Jeff's in Egypt or India

or something like that.

You just tell everybody just a quick synopsis of what

you were up to these last couple of weeks.

Yes, So, first of all, we started off in Egypt

and in Central Egypt, which is what they call Upper Egypt.

And then we went down to Luxor and we met

with a bunch of pastors and church planters. We were

doing a bunch of training with them, and then I

went on to work with some global leaders in India.

So school, yeah, yeah, it was a rough trip and

I covered I think it was thirty thirty eight thousand.

Miles or something like that.

And yeah, then you say at one point you were flying,

wasn't it was the longest period of time where you

were flying, like the longest stretch of time.

Well, it took me twenty nine hours to get home.

Oh my god.

Yeah, no, I'm sorry, thirty one thirty one hours. Goodness,

that was long.

I think the longest flight was only like eleven or

twelve hours, thirteen hours, something like that.

But well, we're glad you're back, man, it's good to

be back.

Yes, And so today, yeah, we're going to get into

the word just a minute, but we're also going to

play quick game, actually not only game, just kind of

a draft here. It's actually a road trip snack draft list.

And actually before even started, we were actually talking about snacking.

So this is actually fitting.

It's perfect.

Yeah, about snacks. So let's let's imagine on a road trip,

but before we hit the road, we need.

To stock up on snacks. So we're going to do

a draft pick of the best road trip snacks.

Oh yeah, yeah, And so.

We've done some candy drafts in the past right, next level.

This is road trip stuff. Yes, this is like if

it's the last meal you ever had.

Which which I know, I don't know about you. Are

you a road trip snacker in general?

Okay?

Yeah, okay, A good deal, definitely. It's one of those things.

And you guys can relate to this. But when you're

on the road, it just seems like, you know, you

just start eating and you just keep going. It's like

you're binge eating in the car. I'd be five hundred

pounds if I was a truck driver.

By the truck driver.

Ye okay.

So actually we'll start with you said you haven't been

here in a couple of weeks. You've been, so what's

what's your number one pick? Okay, so the number one thing.

It doesn't matter if I'm traveling in an airport, if

I'm driving down the road, the first thing you have

to have chocolate.

I have to have chocolate.

So it's usually like a king sized Snickers. You know

how you get the two snickers?

Yeah, yeah, and.

That's usually the first thing I grab.

It's a good deal. It's a good deal for me. Man.

Whenever I go to any sort of gas station, if

I know I'm on the road. It just when I

think of a road trip, beef jerkey comes to mind.

Jerky, Yes you got that one, good, yes, yes.

So to counteract the suite, then I have to get

saltyka and so I really like.

Sunflower seeds.

Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah there, that's the only negative

one those.

Okay, So then that's your number two. Pick my number two.

I would say they sell it now. You can actually

buy a brand that that makes it in a bag.

But honestly, I'll have family or friends make it. But

I like puppy chow and it's not easy to dry

with your hand in some puppy chow, but.

That is one snack I can just eat and eat it.

So I don't even know why I like it, But

I don't know. Are you a puppy chow guy?

It's okay, yeah, it's okay.

It's definitely a little messy, but flavor, oh my gosh,

it's like whoever invented that?

So I also have a Cheetos puffs problem.

Okay, okay, number three, Yeah, that's my number three.

Eating those Cheetos and you're like licking your fingers.

And you get it, you know, and they have the

little bags and you go, well, maybe I should get

a big what could be a long trip. Yeah, And

then next thing you know, I'm down at the bottom

of the bag going what.

Happened all the chee?

It's just all air usually Yeah, okay, So my final pick,

I'd say number three pick. It's a candy that I've

I've been addicted to since I was younger. Whenever I

have it, I can't just have one of them or

two of them.

I like. The whole box is red vines and it's

so random.

So obviously there's like Twizzlers that people like a regular

licorice for whatever reason, red vines they just.

Hit the spot the best.

Yeah.

Wow.

In fact, I had my nephew over the day and

we're hanging out watching a movie and I entire one

of those, like those movie theater style candy is an

entire thing of red vines.

Wow, So hits up.

I don't think I've ever heard anybody say in their

top three red vines.

Yes, but something about on the road or something about

just killing time.

I can just smash them.

So actually, we'd love to hear from you guys. If

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It's really cool.

Yes, I like it a lot.

It makes you look more handsome. I think we were

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All right, So today we're in Romans. Jeff, you want

to get some context for uh.

Yeah, So you know, Paul has been on this conversation

about the law, and he's struggling with these things. And

you know, being a former Pharisee, the law was a

big part of his life. He measured himself by the law.

As a matter of fact, they kind of had the

sense that they were trying to earn right standing with

God and eternity through obeying the law. And so because

of that, he's walking around with a lot of guilt, right,

And so he's struggling here saying the things I want

to do, I don't do. The things I don't want

to do I do, And he's really it's kind of a.

For me.

I totally resonate with what he's trying to say here.

I think a lot of people will today.

So yes, I agree.

Anyways, let's just read it. I can talk about it

all day long, but let's let him say it.

Yeah, and I agree. I agree with that.

So, now, dear brothers and sisters, you who are familiar

with the law, don't you know that the law applies

only while a person is living. For example, when a

woman marries, the law binds her to her husband as

long as he is alive, but even dies, the laws

of marriage no longer apply to her. So while her

husband is alive, she would be committing adultery if she

married another man. Whatever her husband dies, she's free from

that law and does not commit adultery when she remains

or remarry. Sorry, So, my dear brothers and sister, this

is the point. You died in the power of the

law when you died with Christ, and now you are

united with the one who is raised from the dead.

As a result, we can produce a harvest of good

deeds for God. When we were controlled by our old nature,

sinful desires were at work within us, and the law

aroused these evil desires that produced a harvest of sinful

deeds resulting in death. But now we've been released from

the law, for we died to it and are no

longer captive to a power.

Now we can serve God, not in the old.

Way of obeying the letter of the law, but in the

new way of living in the spirit. It says this, Well, then,

well then, am I suggesting that the law of God

is sinful? Of course not. In fact, it was the

law that showed me my sin. I would never have

known that coveting is wrong. If the law had not

said that you must not covet, I love that just

so direct. But Sin used this command to arouse all

kinds of covetous desires within me. If there was no law,

sin would not have that power. At one time, I

lived without understanding the law. But when I learned the

command not to covet, for instance, the power of sin

came to life, and I died. So I discovered that

the law's commands, which were supposed to bring life, brought

spiritual death instead.

Sin took advantage of those commands and deceived me. It

used the commands to kill me.

But still, the law itself is holy, and its commands

are holy and right and good. But how can that be.

Did the law, which is good cause my death? Of course, not,

Sin used what was good to bring about my condemnation

to death. So we can see how terrible sin really is.

It uses God's good commands for its own evil purposes.

It says that.

So the trouble is not with the law, for it

is spiritual and good. The troubles with me, for I'm

all too human, a slave to sin, which I think

we can all relate to. I don't really understand myself,

for I want to do what is right, but I.

Don't do it. Instead, I do what I hate.

But if I know what I am doing is wrong,

this shows that I agree that the law is good.

So I'm not the only one. I'm not the one

doing wrong. It is the sin living in me that

does it. And I know that nothing good lives in me,

that is in my sinful nature. I want to do

what is right, but I can't. I want to do

what is good, but I don't. I don't want to

do what is wrong, but I do it anyway. I mean,

this is humans, humans, this is all of us right.

But I but if I do what I don't want

to do, I am not really the one doing wrong.

It is sin living in me that does it. I've

discovered this principle of life that when I want to

do what is right, I inevitably do what is wrong.

I love God's law with all my heart, but.

There is another power within me that is at war

with my mind. This power makes me a slave to

the sin that is still within me. Oh, what a

miserable person I am. Who will free me from this

life that is dominated by sin and death?

Thank God. Here we go, here's some good news. Thank God.

The answer is in Jesus Christ, our Lord. So you

see how it is in my mind.

I really want to obey God's law, but because of

my sinful nature, I'm a slave to sin.

Yeah.

I think he's trying to make a point here.

Yeah, boy, he drives a home hard.

I think he's communicating, especially here towards the end, as

you get into around verse twenty or so, he's communicating

like we all feel. And it's funny because he uses

so many words to do it, and he gets all

twisted up. The things I don't want to do I do,

and the things I want to do I don't do.

But I really really want to do the good things,

but I wind up doing the bad things.

And I don't want to do the bad things. I

want to do the good things.

He's talking with this, and I think most of us

have times in our life when we feel that way.

And then he ends up.

He kind of comes close to an end by saying,

what a miserable person I am. I think the king

King James says, oh, what a wretched man I am? Right,

And so he's feeling a lot of guilt over this,

and then the good news is it doesn't end there.

As a fact, we get the chapter eight. There's no

more connidation.

But that's tomorrow. Make sure you exactly watched the chapter eight.

It's one of my favorite chapters in so Romans.

Chapter seven is such a powerful transition in the Book

of Romans because up to this point and then on

for just a little bit more, but up to this

point he's really been driving the law, the consequences of

the law, and our responsibility with regard to the fact

that we're sinners, right, And then now he's and he's

referencing Grace a lot, but it's really hitting the law

and trying to balance off grace and law. And then

now because of Christ, things are different. So we'll look

at that tomorrow. But anyways, I think, first of all,

let me just start off because I know somebody's going

to ask about it. He says, one a woman marries,

the law bindser to her husband as long as alive.

This is not a commentary on women. This is just

marriage in general. Right, So he could have said when

a man marries, he's bound to his wife all the time.

He just said he just used the woman there in

the conversation. But he's not making commentary that somehow a

woman's commitment in marriage is different than a man.

That's the same. But he is using the idea.

Of marriage as a as an analogy to our relationship

with Christ. Previously, what he's trying to say is, we

were married to the law, and so the consequences of

the law are our arm because the law is alive.

In our life. But when the law is dead in.

Our life and we're alive and Christ were married to Christ,

then the law is dead and we're now bound to

Christ instead of bound to the law. That's what he's

trying to say. So don't get hung up on the

marriage statement. You understand that the big pictures he's making

an analogy about being married.

And he said does even say that it's it's like

this he's kind of setting up. That's like, here's an

analogy for you to take it and understand. Because the

people in that day, they just this was a there's

a huge stumbling, so they needed an analogy like this.

So one of the things that I actually noticed in

I have a life application study Bible. But one of

the things that has shared about as we go along here,

I was saying that Paul shares three lessons that he

learned trying to deal with his sinful desires, which I

think is important for us as we mature as Christians.

He says that's number one. It says, this knowledge of

the rules is not the answer. And then secondly, self determination,

which is struggling in one's own strength, doesn't succeed.

Like we could try as much as you want, it's

not going to succeed.

And then and then it said, becoming a Christian does

not stamp out all sin and temptation from a person's life.

And I think that's really important because I think so

many people that at least that I meet, and I'm

sure you feel the same way when you meet him

and they're new in christ you know, they it's kind

of like what Paul said, usaid, a tongue twister.

Of back and forth.

It's literally what they're walking through their living that like,

I want to do this. Why do I still struggle

with this?

I thought, because I can be Christian, all of a

sudden these desires would go away. And so I just

find it interesting.

Yeah, so you know it's interesting he's talking if I

hadn't been told yet coveting was a sin. Yes, I

wouldn't have ever known coveting was a sin. Right, what

he's saying is I think what he's saying is when

I became.

Aware or awake to the law.

Suddenly all this guilt comes with it. Yes, I was

guilty by doing that sin. I just didn't know it.

And now that I know it, he said, the burden

of it is greater. So then he says, when I

meet Christ, or when I come to faith in Christ,

the law becomes dead to me, Not because Jesus gets

rid of the law. As a matter of fact, Jesus

said in the Gospels, I didn't come to eliminate the law.

I came to fulfill it. Jesus solved this law problem

for us. So now he becomes, he comes alive in Christ.

And now the real hymn, the real Paul says, I

don't want to do the bad thing. But the real live,

living Paul is living in a dying body that sins.

So he has his sinful nature, is struggling against spiritual nature,

and that's what he's talking about. There's this battle going

on between him. As a matter of fact, it says

it there that there's this struggle right between good and evil.

Essentially in his life, there's this battle, this fight.

Yep.

And I think that this is a surprise to a

lot of brand new Christians because they think, oh, you know,

they realize I need Jesus. So they come to faith

in Christ. Their sins are forgiven. It feels amazing. And

then they find out later they're still tempted and what

in the world, you know, and then they feel so

guilty thought they're taking like a magic lost it.

Yeah, yeah, exactly. That's a good point. Maybe I lost

my salvation.

Maybe God's not actually in me if I still have

these temptations that mean he's not there.

I actually want to point out the things he said,

the thing about.

Coveting, and I you know, how that was revealed to him,

and how the law essentially exposes our sin.

It is so true. Though.

I have a funny example about that. But I remember,

maybe ten or fifteen years ago. There's this road near

where both of us live, and I think you probably

grew up up that way. But it's m fifty three

and and I drive up there actually still to go

to one of our campuses, and there was a period

of time, maybe fifteen years ago, where the signage just

wasn't as clear as what it is now. And there's

this is what I call it speed trap, but it's

a spot where it drops down to fifty five miles

per hour right around Romeo. And I remember going to

this golf course with friends. We are it's like seventy yeah, yeah,

and that suddenly drops on fifty five and a very

quick you know a period of time, but the fifteen

years ago or so, the signage wasn't super clear, and

me and my friends would go to this golf course.

It wasn't Romeo was not there anymore, but it was

Romeo golf course. It was you for eighteen holes. It

was like fifteen dollars to play on like a Saturday. Yeah,

you can't. You can't beat that.

So I remember driving up there and like just every

every time we go, I'd be going maybe a little

over the speed limit. And then I remember one time

getting pulled over and being so naive to the fact

that it was actually fifty five mile per hour, and

I think the police officer could totally tell that I

had no awareness that had dropped down.

I was like, well, is there a signage, and it

was one of those things.

It's like, you're not even aware of your of your

miss or your mistake, or the fact that you obeyed

the law until the law sometimes is right in front

of you see the sign You're like, I didn't even know.

And so I think that's what Paul's trying to say here,

is it kind of the law has helped expose his

and now that he's exposed to it, he's very aware

in all the ways he's missing the mark.

I think we sat that should be like that as

Christians too.

But he's also referencing the idea that he was dead

in it, right, he wasn't alive in the law. He

was dead in the law, and then he became alive

in Christ and then now that's where this struggle happens, right, Yes,

So I love how he says in verse six. The

end of verse six, he says, now we can serve

God not in the old way of obeying the letter

of the law, but in the new way of living

in the spirit. Right in Galatians he says, walk in

the spirit, So you don't fulfill the desires of the flesh. Yeah, right,

So even then he's recognizing that there's the spirit way,

and now that I'm alive in Christ, I've got the

spirit in me and I want to go God's way.

I want to honor God in my life. And he said, so, now,

the way that I honor God is not just by

keeping the law. Now that doesn't mean now because I'm

in Christ, I can go ahead and cove.

It's no big deal.

No, it's not right that i'm now that I'm.

Aliwed in Christ.

But we get ready to go ten commandments. I go

kill now and go steal. Now, that's not what he's saying.

What he's saying is instead of doing these things trying

to earn God's favorite in my life, now I do

them because I love him.

Right.

It changes everything, changes the direction of why I why

I try to honor God.

I get to serve him.

I get to honor him, that's right, versus the rules

and that I have to.

Yeah, that's remember. So it's funny. I think kind of

sometimes about when I was a middle school boy. I

didn't care. I didn't care how I looked, I didn't

care how I smelled.

I tried to stay away from the showers until you

started noticing girls and suddenly and my mom and dad

they knew immediately when I started having a crush because

next thing, I want to take a shower, trying to

figure ot how to comb my hair.

I want nicer clothes.

Right, my motivation for cleaning myself was not very high.

When you're in middle school, you know, a stinky middle

school boy.

But when when you start noticing the girl, suddenly it's

not for you, it's for her, right, And he's kind

of saying the same thing here God, not in the

old way of just trying to make it better for ourselves. Instead,

now we serve God because we want to be clean

and holy people for him, because we love him because

of what He's done for us. Our motivation is not

fear of the consequences.

Of the law.

Our motivation is love for God. It changes everything. That's

good perspective.

He should Paul should have used that metaphor middle school boy.

Remember when you're in middle school, you got to know

the feeling, right when when when I get to heave

an street, when you're a part of your Jewish training,

you should have you know, you know how that was?

That's really good, That's awesome. Is there anything other I

mean obviously, like I think people can totally relate to that,

you know, it's it's in the like when it gets

into the struggling with sin part. I think a lot

of people can relate to that. But I also ultimately,

as we you know, I know, we got to wrap

up a little bit, but I love to thank God

the answer is in Jesus Christ, our Lord. And if

anybody Jeff kind of alluded the idea of living in

the spirit, that's actually a part of this week's discussion too,

as we get further romans. So if you like or

like know the direction where there's going, or life the

direction is going, we'll talk a little bit about walking

in the spirit, living in the spirit.

But I love the fact that the answer is in

Jesus Christ, our Lord.

We don't have what it takes, we can't figure it out,

we don't have.

The solution to this Jesus as a solution, which is

really cool.

I think verse twenty four to wrap up verse twenty four, Oh,

what a miserable person I am? Who's going to free

me from this life dominated by sin and death? The

most miserable Christians I know are the ones that are

rule driven, right, and as we're saying, when I'm rule driven,

I'm miserably good. But then he says, thank God, the

answer is in Jesus Christ, our Lord. See how it

is in my mind, I really want to obey God's law,

but because of my sinful nature, I'm a slave to sin.

So what he's saying is, when I'm rule driven, I'm

going to always be miserable. I'm going to be angry,

I'm going to be frustrated, I'm going to be disappointed

by myself, be guilty. But when I'm Jesus centered, I

understand none of us, just Heaven, none of us deserve

God's grace, and he loves us anyways, and he extends it.

So now my motivation this isn't an excuse to keep

going on and sinning. Instead, now my motivation to be holy,

it's because he loves me and I love him back.

That's it.

Maybe that's the motivation for our listeners this week being

Jesus centered, you know, just to remember that, because again

you're right.

The people that are following the rules, the laws, they aren't.

Miserable because it's you're it's never enough, you're always comparing,

you're always striving and it just doesn't add up. And

you're watching what other people are doing, trying to hold

them to certain standards with the idea of being Jesus centered,

giving people grace.

I think that's the way to.

And so Jesus isn't winking at sin, so he killed Jesus, yes,

and we can't wink at sin and go, oh, well,

we're all sinners. So I I'm just gonna go ahead

and do it anyways. No, Instead, I'm going to abstain

from that. Yes, not trying to earn his favor, but

because he loves me. Because yes, because I love him

back yep. And so I'm going to choose to abstain

from those things and not fulfill my flesh because I

want to walk in his spirit.

Yeah.

Well, it's like you, I mean, I'm sure Valentine's Day

coming up, right, Yeah, I mean you might do something

nice for I mean, I don't know what. I don't

even know what day of the week Valentine's Days, but

I'm sure at some point that week you will take

Bonnie out on a date, not because you have to,

but because you want.

To, right, And we're going to see the Detroit Symphony Okay,

so you are doing something and we bought take us

for the Detroit Symphony and they're playing the soundtrack to

The Princess Bride.

Oh okay, while the Princess Bride is playing. Oh, that's awesome.

That'll be fun, that'll be awesome.

So it's gonna be so romantic because we're both Princess

Bride nerds.

Okay, good anyways, yes, all right, well, hey, thank you

guys so much for joining us.

We hope you enjoyed this episode and we'll see you

tomorrow as we get into Roman's eight. See you