Bible Guys Classics: Proverbs 6

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So if you had no TV growing up and.

I listened to Christian music though, oh you didn't listen

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at all at all.

So so if we were.

To like like turn on a station like I love

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They would be familiar because of like being in the

mall or something, or at work. People would be listening

to music.

Wow, it wasn't forbidden, it was just a choice. Or

was it forbidden? Both it was both okay, wow, okay.

I never listened to Christian Christian music until I obviously

became a Christian.

Your wife started listening to it in the car when

you get in and before you can scramble as fast

you can and change the chal She introduced.

Me to it.

She did, she was she loved Jesus. She was my

Christian friend who liked Christian music. But I became a

Christian my sophomore year of high school, and uh, I

was exposed.

To Amy Grant, Michael W. Smith, Sandy Patty, all those guys. Anyway,

here we go.

We're going to dive into a segment called one Must Go,

One must go this Thanksgiving coming up in a few days,

which one stays and which one goes away forever? So

you and I just have to choose. And by the way,

we decided this is for the.

World, okay, and that's this or that essentially, Yeah yeah, yeah,

this one or that, but but it goes.

Away for the world, for the world forever. Okay. So

we're choosing this on behalf of humanity, not for ourselves.

Right, I guess.

Okay, all right, So here we go, which goes away forever?

Jeff turkey or ham.

That's a tough one.

I love both.

This is the hardest one on this list.

Yeah, well, all the Jews would say yeah Ham.

Yeah, but I love him. I think I'm gonna say ham.

Ham will go away? What? Yeah? Why because it doesn't

say all the rest of the pork products. So you'd

still get the benefit of turkey.

What.

It doesn't say all the other pork products. It just

says ham itself.

It just says bacon.

No, bacon doesn't come from the ham. Ham is a

cut of meat.

Oh, you would know this.

You're a week guy, that's right, right, You're you're You're

still be able to you still be able to have

You're a GRIBs protein. You'd be able to have ribs

and bacon and pulled pork sandwiches, all that stuff. You

just couldn't have the ham.

Okay, fine, you've convinced me.

I was one hundred percent going to say, but I

think I agree.

Now you get both? Okay, all right? Good hang out

with whites friends and you become wise. That's right. And

speaking of it, Yeah, yesterday, that was yesterday. Ye it

could have been yesterday, all right. Number two corn bread

or stuffing which one goes? Corn bread? Yeah, corn bread Yeah,

corn bread. Yeah. Stuffing is too good Number one, too good,

but also way more popular than corn bread.

I found a recipe last night at eleven something at night,

I was looking at recipes and I found a recipe

for a new kind of stuffing I want to make.

That looks incredible.

So yeah, wow, yeah, I just I just wait watching

the lions, and then she says it's time to eat,

and then I'm like, oh, this is really good stuffing.

Baby, that's it.

Yeah, okay, right, sweet potato mash or mashed potatoes.

Oh, there's no competition here. I really like sweet potato mash.

But come on, you can't get rid of.

Mashed potatoes exactly, exactly, yes, So out with the sweet

potato mash.

Are we three for three? Three for three? Three for three? Wow? Yeah,

that usually doesn't happen.

Huh.

Right, we're using mostly in a.

Green green bean casserole or cranberry sauce. Now, is this

green bean castrole like the green beans that are in

the in the cream and mushroom soup with the fried

onions on top.

Well, I would assume.

So, because that's the typical Thanksgiving green bean castral.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, So green bean casserole or cranberry sauce.

Okay, So green bean castro doesn't mean that you'll do

with green beans on the side. No, just as that

casserole that castroll right, all right, So it has to

be the green bean casserole.

Well, I mean, think about it. I love cranberry sauce,

down cranberry sauce.

Well, I love jellied cranberry sauce, which is unpopular, right,

like the can one of the jelly.

Like I don't think you understand how much I love.

To shake it out and it just stands at like

a can on top of the late.

So my wife, who's listening right now, she would chime

in right now and say, Jeff, you have no idea

how much my husband I think if if the cranberry

sauce is forgotten the entire Thanksgiving meal.

It's not that it's from a ten to a two.

Well, it's not a Thanksgiving right, Okay.

That's how much I love. Do you eat it the

rest of the year?

No, just with just with that meal with turkey, green

bean casserole, mashed potatoes.

Yeah, and by the way, I've gone to Cracker Barrel.

I've gone to Cracker Barrel and I've ordered their Thanksgiving

feast or whatever. And I've also gone to bob Evans

because they have a really good Thanksgiving to fine establishment

to fine establishments. And when I ordered cranberry sauce, it's

always the obviously not the jellied because because who would

ever serve that, right, right right, which I don't like

the other I don't like this real stuff that much.

Okay, pumpkin pie or wait wait wait you never answered.

Oh, I would do away with the cranberry sauce, so

we disagree with Yeah, yeah, go ahead.

Now I like cranberry sauce.

I do. I made a burger Thanksgiving feast burgererry with turkey,

so it was ground turkey with all the the flavors

that you put on a turkey, you know, rosemary time sage,

it's really really good, and then melted a provolone on

that and had a little bit of stuffing and uh,

cranberry sauce on it. Believe or not, it sounds odd.

It was really on a brioche bun. It was so good,

so good. Yeah, anyways, so I like cranberry sauce, but

you're making me hungry. But I like green bean castrole better. Okay,

So now now the big one, pumpkin pie or apple pie?

Which one has to go forever?

Well, I'll tell you I already have an answer. Apple

pie is America itself. Yeah, mom, right, it's mom, it's

everything that, it's baseball, it's everything.

So the patriotic answer is, yes, you have to get

a pumpkin pie.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So although I love pumpkin pie, but do I order

it as much as apple pie? Not even close?

Yeah? So on this one, yeah, I don't care because

I don't like pie.

What I know, I know? What do you mean you

don't like pie?

Yeah?

So of the two, I would prefer a good apple.

Pie over pumpkin pie. But I'm not normally a pie person.

I've never chosen a piece of pie.

I'm almost offended, except I love pecan pie. Well that's pie.

But I know, but of those two and name all

the other pies, I also like, like a French silk right,

but I don't like I for the most part, I

don't ever order a pie. I've never went you know

what I mean? I want I want to pie there's

there's a famous pie company here in an area called Akets, right,

and my wife is always like, let's pulent to get

a pie. And I'm like, okay, wow.

I love cake.

I love brownies. I love chocolate chip cookies.

So when it comes to this, you and I are

radically opposite. Yeah, I don't love for pie. I don't

like cake, I know, but I love pie.

I know. So I were friends.

That's right.

More for me? Right, if I have pie, somebody brought

me pie with the little scoop ice cream or something.

I eat it. I mean, I'm not against it. Look

at me. I don't say. Note a lot of things right,

but yeah.

All right, all right, we're time to move on. Ready. Wow, okay, Wow,

super exciting this man speaking of being uh.

Oh jeezh you have an hour one on this one.

I didn't look ahead.

Well. One of my favorite things about the great, big,

giant Thanksgiving dinners. When you're done, you just go out

and pass out in front of the TV, right right,

being lazy. Yeah, And the one of the verses here

is talks about being a lazy bones.

That was a terrible transition. But I didn't have which

is the goal. That's the goal anything work on that.

Listen, we apologize to our viewers, and tomorrow we will be.

Prepared for the better transition.

Will we will we though, Okay, we'll see, We'll see.

Okay, So we are in Proverbs chapter six.

All we're doing is we're trying to trying to inform

ourselves of the practical wisdom of King Solomon. And a

lot of times, for me as a kid, I felt

like reading Solomon was very similar to reading like the

clever thoughts of Mark Twain or the clever thoughts of

Benjamin Franklin when he was writing Port Richards Almanac or

something like that. You know, a penny saved is a

penny earned kind of a thing, right, It feels that way,

where Solomon just drops these nuggets of really smart things

that if if you apply them. The difference is Solomon

has like the keys to real life. And you know,

Mark Twain and Ben Franklin seemed to be just clever,

and there's a big difference in being wise and being clever. Right,

So anyways, Proverbs chapter six, verse one says, my child,

if you put up security for a friend's debt or

agreed to guarantee the debt, of a stranger. If you've

trapped yourself by agreement and are caught by what you said,

follow my advice and save yourself, for you have placed

yourself at your friend's mercy. Now swallow your pride, go

and beg to have your name erase. Don't put it off.

Do it now, don't rest until you do. Save yourself

like a gazelle escaping from a hunter, like a bird

fleeing from a net. Then he says, take a lesson

from the ants, You lazybones, learn from their ways and

become wise. Though they have no prince or governor or

ruler to make them work, they labor hard all summer,

gathering food for the winter. But you, lazy bones, how

long will you sleep? When will you wake up? A

little extra sleep, a little more slumber, a little folding

of the hands to rest. Then poverty will pounce on

you like a bandit. Scarcity will attack you like an

armed robber. What are worthless and wicked people like? They're

constant liars, signaling their deceit with the wink of an eye,

a nudge of the foot, or the wiggle of fingers.

Their perverted hearts plot evil, and they constantly stir up trouble,

but they will be destroyed, suddenly, broken in an instant,

beyond all hope of healing. There are six things the

Lord hates no seven things he detests haughty eyes, a

lying tongue, hands that kill the innocent, a heart that plots, evil,

feet that race to do wrong, a false witness who

pours out lies, and a person who sows discord in

a family. My son, obey your father's commands, and don't

neglect your mother's instructions. Keep their words always in your heart.

Tie them around your neck when you walk. Their counsel

will lead you. When you sleep, they will protect you.

When you wake up, they will advise you. For their

command is a lamp, and their instruction a light. Their

correct discipline is the way to life. It will keep

you from the immoral woman, from the smooth tongue of

a promiscuous woman. Don't lust for her beauty, don't let

her coy glances seduce you. For a prostitute will bring

you to poverty, But sleeping with another man's wife will

cost you your life. Can a man scoop a flame

into his lap and not have his clothes catch on fire?

Can he walk on hot coals and not blister his feet.

So it is with the man who sleeps with another

man's wife, he who embraces her will not go unpunished.

Excuses might be found for a thief who steals because

he's starving, but if he's caught, he must pay back

seven times what he stole, even if he has to

sell everything in his house. But the man who commits

adultery is an utter fool. For he destroys himself, he

will be wounded and disgraced. His shame will never be erased.

For the woman's jealous husband will be furious, and he

will show no mercy when he takes revenge. He will

accept no compensation nor be satisfied with the payoff of

any size.

Woo.

So, being in ministry for so long and you know,

will always make fun and say we're old, right, even

though we're not one old.

Right, you're old, Yeah, you're old.

Hey, I'm only six weeks older than you, way older,

but the uh. But you know, having been a ministry

so long, you can see this play out.

In so many lives.

Oh yeah, I can't even tell you the number of

people who I've had conversations with in fact, I don't

think I even know of a story where adult tree

is involved where it doesn't end badly, right, it just ends.

It ends.

It's always so drama filled and and yes, in some

cases could be absolutely dangerous. But you know, I love

how Solomon says, can a man scoop a flame into

his lap and not have his clothes catch on fire?

Can he walk on hot coals and not blitcher his feet?

And he's like, so it is, and of course the

answer is.

No, And what you're playing with fire?

Yes, he's he's saying, he's saying, do you not understand

that it's going to end badly? And he's and then

he's making the visual aid comparison of saying, it's just

as if you can't do this, guess what, you can't

commit adultery with an other man's wife, And guess what

he's not gonna forgive, And it's gonna you're gonna you're

gonna die, basically, and and and and even even compares

to the stealing, He's like, hey, he's like even a thief,

even a thief can get away with it if he's starving,

even though he's gonna have You know, I have a

huge consequence. He's gonna pay back seven times if he

gets caught. But guess what's gonna happen if you get caught, right,

It's it's gonna end badly. So I mean, it feels

like there's like ten verses here that uh, you know,

really uh warn us against that, you know, just the

idea of what God hates.

And here's the here's my second thought.

My second thought is I always found it super weird

that every time I come across this verse where he

says there are six things the Lord hates, no, no, no,

just kidding, seven seven things he detests, and then he

lists seven things obviously that are bad. But then I think, oh, really,

God doesn't hate eight things. God doesn't hate nine things.

So I'm thinking, what's so special about these seven things?

You know?

Well, all of these things are called an abomination in

the Bible, So an abomination means they make God want

to vomit. So there aren't very many. There's a couple

more that I mentioned in the Bible. So that's a

poetic mechanism in Hebrew where he starts off saying they're sixteen,

no seven, right, So it's a poetic like get your

attention kind of thing. You know what?

That runs me of mel Brooks in the Meeting of Life.

At the very beginning of the movie, he pretends to

be Charlton Heston in that famous movie. He walks down

the mountain and he looks just like Tarlton Heston. He's

dressed up. Mel Brooks course is just hilarious. He's starting

three stone tablets and he goes.

God brings you these fifteen and then the falls and

drops and he goes, ooh, ten, ten commitments for all

the people to obey, and it's hilarious. It's like it's

like six none of seven.

Yeah, So that's a it's a poetic mechanism that he's

using there for that. So, but the things he talks

about that God hates hot haughty eyes, that's just pride, right,

that's what he's talking about there. That a prideful look

is usually what it's translated, a lying tongue, hands that

kill the innocent, which in our society that's a pretty

significant thing. A heart that plots, evil, feet that race

to do wrong, a false witness who pours out lies,

and a person who sows discord in a family. All

of those things tear apart society, right, all of those,

each of those things, and so that's what he's going

after there.

Yeah, yeah, I find it interesting that he says a

heart that plots evil, feet that race to do wrong.

Those things are connected to you know, the character intention, right,

They're connected to the inside of a person. You know,

a false witness that pours out lies. I mean it's

just it speaks into like a person who's just not

a good person.

You know, Well, we can have these things, you know,

each of these this idea, there's a lying tongue in

verse seventeen, and then in verse nineteen, a false witness

who pours out lies. And on the surface, you think, well,

those are the same, he's just repeating the same thing.

But a lying tongue is somebody who's a liar, Right,

you just lie, You make up stories that aren't true,

you give answers that aren't legit. Whereas a false witness

who pours out lies is that's more of an affirmation

of God's view of the value of the rule of law. Right,

So in court, somebody who comes in and tells a

lie under oath undermines the whole process of justice.

In a society. Right. So the second, that second one

is different. It's not just being a liar.

It's upending the process of justice, the rule of law

in society. And the only way that the rule of

law works is the fact that we choose to believe

it does and we follow it. So even when we're

in a situation where it doesn't behoove us and it

actually might work against us, we still have to if

we're going to be civilized people, we still have to

choose to under oath give the truth, right, and if not,

all of the rest of society breaks down at leads

to corruption. If you're willing to shoot a move in court,

if you're willing to take advantage of your ability to

hide the truth in a public setting like that, that

that tears down the fabricus society differently than just being

a liar, right, And so that's why those two they

seem the same, but they're not. And then it's the

same thing. People who what was it heart that plots

evil versus the feet that race to do evil?

Right? Right, there's some who just love it.

So I was always really tempted by friends who go, jeff,

I dare you?

Especially they double dog dare me, sure, right.

I didn't usually think of dumb things to do, right,

But if my friends dare me to do dumb things,

I did them right. So I was the second one,

not the first one.

Well, I'll tell you I was. I was both.

Would we would have a game amongst ourselves, you know,

we would think of crazy things to do and just

dare each other. Right, When you have sort of a

group of friends like that, it's a it's a really

bad thing. Yeah, And then of course, you know if

if you don't do it, there's you know, you can't

fall out of good standing of being a walk crazy movies.

Have you seen where there's some you know, a lot

mess Yeah, master mind that is so good at figuring

out how to break into the bank, or how to

steal a bunch of bitcoin, or how to take advantage whatever.

And you look at that character going, if they just

applied their mind to I don't know, you know, solving

the problem of cancer, they would change the world. But

instead they use all of their intelligence to try to

find a way to shoot a move, take advantage, steal

something whatever.

You just described the plot of ant Man, Yeah, yes, exactly.

I'm sure ant Man was what Salomon had in my

But let me jump to this one because each of

these now, in this one, he's writing in little segments.

He's writing, like five verse segments, the very first one,

my child, If you put up security for a friend's debt,

or agreed to guarantee the debt of a stranger, if

you trapped yourself by your agreement or caught by your words,

do whatever it takes, follow my advice.

Get out of that.

What he's saying is don't co sign. That's what he's saying, right,

And he's not saying don't help a friend out, don't

help a family member out. He's saying, don't go on

the hook for somebody else's debt because it'll ruin their life,

their life, and your life. Right. And so he's warning here,

and there's multiple times in the Book of Proverbs where

he warns his children don't be a co signer for

any reason. And so that's what he's talking about there,

And he said, don't put it off, do it now.

Don't rest until you get out from underneath that, right,

because the potential is if you're a co signer, the

other person doesn't pay and it's on your credit you've

got to pay, and if it doesn't get paid, it's

not their credit, it's your credit that's going to get ruined. Right.

Do you want to hear a story that is not

relevant but very interesting. It's twenty seconds.

Yeah.

My grandfather, he's since passed away, But my grandfather was

talked into co signing. A good buddy of his camee

to him in desperation, said he wanted him to co

sign for a new car, convinced him. My grandfather signed it,

and the next week this guy ended up taking his

own life, and he left behind a wife and children.

And so my mother talks about that story and says,

my grandfather made that payment every month and never spoke

a word about it and paid the whole thing off.

Well, yeah, you know, if you have the margin to

be able to do it. But what he's saying here

is you're putting yourself at risk yep. Yeah yeah, But.

Isn't that crazy though? It's a crazy story. And then

my dad used to call me lazy bones.

Did he a little bit as a kid, Yeah, and

so that that phrase, yeah, so that that well, we

read this all the time. Oh I see, So you

know it says go to the ant. Thou slugger is

what it says to King James. Do you ever read that? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,

yeah so sure. But verse ten, a little sleep, a

little slumber, a little folding the hands, the rest. On

a regular basis, I'll roll over, turn off my alarm

and go I just can't get up. A little rest, Yeah,

a little sleep, a little folding the hands, the slumber.

Yep, that's so fun.

But he's talking here that procrastinating, not doing the work

you need to do today is going to lead you

to poverty tomorrow. And so there's so many smart things

he warns you about the slick people that wink and

nudge you at their foot and always trying to you know,

if there's winking and nudging and signals at the table,

probably somebody's shooting to move and you don't want to

be a part of that either, right, So it's just

so smart the stuff he talks about here where he's

just trying to set his children up to understand how

the world works and the best way to live.

Yeah, that's great. Well he that looks like our time.

So what a great chapter. And we'll see you hopefully

next time on the bubble guys,