Bible Guys Classics: Proverbs 8

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through good morning, good morning? Do you? Yes? All right?

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Hey, well, we are the Bible guys. We want to

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called guess the word Yes.

And so this is very similar to if you know

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to that, where there is a word that I want

you to guess, but there are five words I cannot

say to get you to guess that.

Man, if you happen to be watching on video instead

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That's right. And if you're playing at home and you're watching,

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what that would make me do?

That would make me hit pause on the video and

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You want more points? Yeah, there you go. Because you're

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but you can guess the bold keyword. I'm not allowed

to say any of the italicized words on my sheet

here dog on of people like me? Okay, good, they do,

they do? Okay. It's the noise okay that a tom

makes to get the attention of a hen. That are

what makes Tom makes to get the attention of a hen. Cluck?

Oh almost, it's a different. Oh, it's a thing gobble gobble.

There you go. Correct. That was allowed to say eat

turkey food or devour? What the heck? Is a tom.

That's the male turkey. So you know this because you're

a hunter. I thought people, Yeah, I thought people knew

that is that a hunting thing? When you were a kid,

didn't you have to make like turkey things outline your hand,

make a turkey and they called it you know what,

they called it? Turkeys? Yeah, okay, okay, yeah, I guess

maybe I grew up. I grew up on a you know,

on a homestead, and we had I don't know, I

don't know. I just thought everybody knew that a tom

is that. I'm just wondering if it's a hunting thing.

So so a male turkey that has not is not

old enough to breed yet, he doesn't have a big

beard yet. Yeah, that he's called a jake. And then

when he's able to breed, he grows a longer beard

and he's called a tom. You could have threatened me

with death and I wouldn't have known it. Okay, congratulations,

you got to gobble. That was that was the important thing.

Because that was like cluck and you were like a

different burden. I was like, what are you talking about?

I was like, oh, it's a thanks gobbling.

Yeah, gotcha. I was just in the woods a couple

weeks ago, and the turkeys were gobbling like crazy. This Yeah,

it was really neat. Okay. This next one is when

the king sits down at his giant table. He's sitting

down for a feast. Feast. That is correct. I wasn't

allowed to say Thanksgiving, food, eat, banquet, or famine. Oh wow? Okay. Uh.

These people were the original Europeans that came to America.

You were correct. Pilgrims, progress, Plymouth, Mayflower, Indians, and travelers.

Those are the words I was not allowed to use. Wow. Yeah,

that was a tough one. Okay, this one's difficult. Okay.

So when you have meatki, No, when you have meat cooking, oh,

I'm not allowed to say cook? Oh okay, okay. When

you have meat in the oven and you don't want

it to dry out, you pull it out and you

put more liquid on it based it. There you go. Yes, yes,

I wasn't allowed to say cook. I just lost ten thousand,

lost thousand. Wait a minute, I'm reading it. So it's

only one point. Oh that's true. That's true. And we're

on video. Yeah there, we got my video. Yeah, we

saw myself a video. Excellent okay, and here's the last one.

Those original Europeans arrived in the United States. No, no,

what did they ride on? Horses? Know when they came

across the water, there's the mayflower. There you go the mayflower.

You should yes, well, I and say ship, pilgrims, flower

Atlantic or voyage. Oh you could have said sale, sled.

Oh I could have said sailed. Yeah, yeah, okay, Yeah,

I'm like horses, you're like, not across the water. Goofball

dumb dum. Okay, they go gobble feast, pilgrims, based and

mayflower were the words. Okay, congratulations Chris. Yes, and I'm

sorry for blowing it on based.

Yeah.

Well, you know I've done that a time or two

as well. Okay, riveting, riveting, segment, riveting, riveting. Everybody is

on the edge of their seat. And I'm sure we

have a few of our of our listeners that have

ten thousand points or five thousand, five thousand points, fifty thousand.

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we got people got fifty thousand points, do you think so? Yeah?

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They're like changed, it changes in check e Cheese. That's right,

you just you used to work in check e Cheese.

Yeah, you bring all the all the tickets in and

then you get a Frisbee exactly.

I remember being so disappointed after having what I thought

was a good jillion tickets and go up and go, okay,

here's the section that you can pick from. I'm like,

I want that TV. No, you get these.

You get this top David Butchers, which is an adult

chucky cheese. You know, you build it up on that card,

you know, and it feels like forever. You can just

even save the card. And they're like, you have fourteen

thousand points.

You're like what And you walk in there and you're

like and.

You look at the top shop and it goes and

it says it's like three hundred thousand points, and you're

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Yep. Okay, So anyways, that's a movie quote. Oh really

nineteen seventy nine.

Oh wow, it is Martin In, the jerk, the jerk,

he says, step right up and win some crap, he says.

Oh no. I went and saw Steve Martin and Martin

Short at the Fox Theater a couple weeks ago. What

it was amazing. Oh my goodness, I can't believe it.

They came and went and they were here. Bonnie and

I sat like on the eighth row in the center. Okay,

it was amazing. There is never fund a.

Time where you ever attended anything where I've been more

jealous ever.

They were circles. So you got these two guys, you know,

Steve Martin seventy nine, Martin Shorts seventy four. The energy,

the humor, the physical comedy that they did for two

hours was unbelievable. Are they still here? No, they were

only here for two nights. I am angry at myself.

Well they told me, they said. Marty says, hey, don't

tell Zarball we're here. Is what he says, like, Oh okay, Marty.

Yeah, Marty, and I go back the ways, all the

way back to innerspace.

Yeah, he said. And Steve Martin had to say, well,

the last time it just got weird. I said, okay,

I won't tell our probather you guys. So it was

a secret, that's only only only like ten thousand other

people knew that they were here. And that'll be the

last time he's on tour. I'm sure I don't know

the touring every every year. So here we go.

Anyways, I would consider, by the way, traveling to another city,

I would drive all these Chicago to see them.

Well, they're on a tour. I can't believe I missed them.

I'm so angry, sorry about that. Okay. So Proverbs chapter eight,

Chapter eight, this is now, Uh, Solomon is writing, by

the way, Jeff, as if Wisdom is talking. You were so.

Clever in giving those answers and so, but not as

clever as Solomon is, who was about to give us advice.

Oh there you go, Yes man, that was a good one, Chris,

thank you. Good transition. Promise the listeners. So clever, because

the reason why it's clever is because he's writing as

if Wisdom is speaking to his children. You know, sometimes,

which is clever on top of clever, it's super clever,

clever clever, it's it's cleverly clever, yes, So sometimes kids

can't hear their parents' voice. It just sounds like Charlie

Brown's teacher, right. But isn't it amazing that if a

kid has a coach or a teacher or somebody that

they really like, all of a sudden, that coach or

teacher can say the same thing mom and Dad said,

and now, all of a sudden, it's the smartest thing

they've ever heard in their life. So Solomon is kind

of using that ploy. He's using a third person, he's

using wisdom itself to speak to his children. And it's

very clever. Which is just a wise thing for moms

and dads to get some good adult allies that you

can trust, get a good youth pastor get good coaches

and align with them and say, hey, I need you,

my son really likes you. Make sure you reinforce this

idea that we're working on at home, you know. And

so anyways, so he says in Proverb chapter eight, listen

as wisdom calls out here as understanding raises her voice

on the hilltop along the road, she takes her stand

at the crossroads by the gates at the entrance to

the town. On the road leading in, she cries aloud.

I call to you, to all of you, I raise

my voice to all people. You simple people, use good judgment,

You foolish people, show some understanding. Listen to me, for

I have important things to tell you. Everything I say

is right, for I speak the truth and to test

every kind of deception. My advice is wholesome. There is

nothing devious or crooked in it. My words are plain

to anyone with understanding, clear to those with knowledge. Choose

my instruction rather than silver, and knowledge rather than pure gold.

For wisdom is far more valuable than rubies. Nothing you

desire can compare with it. I wisdom live together with

good judgment. I know where to discover knowledge and discernment.

All who fear the Lord will hate evil. Therefore I

hate pride and arrogance, corruption and perverse speech. Common sense

and success belong to me, Insight and strength their mind

because of me. King's reign and rulers make just decrees.

Rulers lead with my help, and nobles make right to judgments.

I love all who love me. Those who search will

surely find me. I have riches and honor, as well

as enduring wealth and justice. My gifts are better than gold,

even the purest gold. And my wages are better than

sterling silver. I walk in righteousness and paths of justice.

Those who love me inherit wealth, I will find their treasuries.

I will fill their treasuries. The Lord formed me from

the beginning, before he created anything else. I was appointed

in ages past, at the very first, before the earth began.

I was born before the oceans were created, before the

springs bubbled forth their waters, before the mountains were formed,

before the hills. I was born before he had made

the earth and fields and the first handfuls of soil.

I was there when he established the heavens, and when

he drew the horizon on the oceans. I was there

when he set the clouds above, and when he established

springs deep in the earth. I was there when he

set the limits of the seas so they would not

spread beyond their boundaries, And when he marked off the

earth's foundations. I was the architect at his side. I

was his constant delight, rejoicing always in his presence. I

and how happy I was with the world he created.

How I rejoice with the human family, And so my

children listen to me. For all who follow my ways

are joyful. Listen to my instruction and be wise, don't

ignore it. Joyful are those who listen to me, watching

for me daily at my gates, waiting for me outside

my home. For whoever finds me finds life and receives

favor from the Lord. But those who miss me injure themselves.

All who hate me love death. Wow.

When I think of wisdom, and I've often, you know,

been pretty fascinated that Solomon talks about wisdom from the

standpoint that you know it's a she. But when I

think of wisdom in my mind, I always think of

this chapter. I I've always been fascinated with the visual

aids of like, you know, this ancient being who was

there before the world's began, which, of course is God.

God is the one who existed before the earth was form. Right,

God is the one who existed from all eternity past.

But God had wisdom, So what so.

What is wisdom? God is wisdom of.

Course, yes, of course and and uh and he has

wisdom and his wisdom, and he has love and his love.

But anyway he uh uh so anyway, when when but wisdom,

talking as a person, says, I was here long before

you know the earth was created all of a sudden.

You try to picture wisdom as this ancient being, you know,

and and and all of a sudden. Now you think, okay,

if wisdom is obtainable, because obviously it is right and

he's saying, obtain it, obtain me and uh and guess

what I'm worth more than gold and rubies and sterling

silver and uh and and guess what I've been around.

It makes you feel like you're tapping into this this

this magical thing. But then you have to think about

it like that's the same with God in.

Us, right, right right? Have you ever heard.

Francis Chan one time gave a message and he talked

about how he's like, man, when I get to Heaven,

he goes, I'm going to go up to Moses and

he's and I'm going to say to Moses, man, tell

me what it was like. What was it like to

see and talk to God in the form of a

burning bush? That must have been incredible. And Moses is

going to look back at you and say, yeah, it

was really cool.

But let me ask you a question. What was it

like to have God inside of you?

Like the power of God within you to be able

to tap into the power of Christ who lived inside

of you. Because let me tell you something, I didn't

have that. I remember thinking like, okay, that's a cool thought, right,

And so you know, I get fascinated with this whole

ancient being before the foundations of the world.

I'm thinking, oh, wait, that's what we have every day God,

that's God in us. Right, we have access to the

God's wisdom. And they're crazy. And he's establishing the fact

that wisdom is not situational and it's not cultural, right,

that that it predates humanity, it predates godly wisdom. That

is not a situational thing to go all. Well, back

in old fashioned times, that's what they believed. But now,

well that's a really.

Good point because people say certain values are outdated and culture.

Right, So so God's wisdom is it transcends all cultures

in all ages. I think that's That's what I'm trying

to say. So, sure there are cultural things. Should we

wear robes or should we wear pants? Right? That that

that's a cultural thing. That's not a wisdom. I don't know,

if it's really hot, maybe that that robe again, but

you know, some of those things, would you prefer hummus

or potato or French fries. Right, that that's just a

cultural thing. And so sure, those things change. But when

it comes to the wisdom of the ages, how to

live your life, how to manage money, how to navigate relationships,

how the idea that integrity and rightly being an honesty

will always build a society, and corruption and violence and

evil will always tear down a society. Those things, those

are pre established before the foundation of the world, and

they don't change. It's not like, oh, that's an old

fashioned idea. It doesn't. I don't know why, but I

was just I just read a thing here recently. There's

over one hundred thousand laws in America, and yet it

seems like everybody who runs for office has a new

law they want to bring. Is that what we need?

We need more laws, really, And it's kind of the

same way with regard to every generation thinks that they're

wiser than the last generation. And while they may have

more information or while they have more technology, I don't

know that every generation is more wise, right, And so

getting back to those foundational ideas of how to live,

I think that's one of the reasons why he highlights

so long that wisdom existed before anything else did.

Yeah, I love how I love how Solomon is describing

how to recognize good wisdom. Right, and so he says,

for I speak the truth and detest every kind of deception.

So if you're wondering whether or not when you hear

piece of advice, whether it's wisdom, then ask yourself, Okay,

you know, is this other piece of advice that my

friend is giving me doesn't involve any type of deception?

You know? Because I mean that is a that is

a telling thing.

Sometimes we think because something is clever, right, you know

that maybe it's wisdom, and just because it's clever, if

it involves deception of any kind, then it's it's definitely

not wholesome. Because he said my advice is wholesome the

very next verse and verse eight, and there's nothing devious

or crooked in it my words.

And then listen to this.

My words are plain to anyone with understanding, clear to

those with knowledge. So so in other words, anybody who

has basic understanding can recognize wisdom, is what he's saying.

So I think it's you know, have you ever been

talking with somebody and somebody would tell you already know

the right thing to do. You've probably said that to somebody, sure, absolutely,

like you already know the right answer, right, I'm just

I'm just here to remind you.

And that's really what Solomon is saying.

Solomon is saying, like you could recognize with them as

soon as you hear it, you already know the right thing.

Well, so I'm reminded in that verse nine, my words

are playing to anyone with understanding. I'm reminded. There's another proverb,

or Solomon says in a multitude of words, there's no

shortage of sin. And it makes me think of our

extraordinarily litigious society today. My wife and I just closed

on a new home, and we signed how many good

jillion documents? Right? Most of them? Most of the documents

I signed were full of so many words that created

so many loopholes for the lending agency to get out

of the situation, to give them more control and take

control away from me. That's most of it. Or to

where nobody else is responsible except me for all these things. Right,

the more words it takes to get a thing done,

the less likely it is that it has integrity in it. Right. Right,

So I had a friend. We were going to write

up a contract to do a project with somebody, and

so I wrote up an MoU and it had like

eight big ideas and then we refined it a little bit,

but it was eight things that we were agreeing to

work on. And then somebody goes, oh, that needs to

go to the attorneys. The attorneys need to look at it.

The attorneys came back and what was one page, and

very crystal clear, they came back with eighteen pages eighteen

one page, eighteen pages. So then you know, I'm a

little bit of a lawyer in my head. I argue words.

You know, we joke about that I've got this thing.

Why would I say this thing in four sentences when

I could have said it in one sentence? Right? So

I started critique. The lawyer got a little upset with me,

and I said, don't these three paragraphs say the same

thing as this one sentence? And he goes, yes, but

this gives you more outs. So oh, so I'm writing

this for loopholes for me, as opposed to two people

having some integrity and coming in and seeing the plain words.

I said, so, if I don't have your three paragraphs

and I only have that one sentence. So are you

saying I can't protect myself with that one sentence? And

he goes, no, No, it means the same thing. I said, Well,

then why do we need to And so I refuse

the eighteen page document because more words just creates more fights.

Let's be simpler and make sure that we're in clarity.

I'm not saying you shouldn't sign contracts. I'm not saying

that you shouldn't protect yourself. I'm not. But because not

everybody's honest and integrity, but if you're working with somebody

that has honesty and integrity, I think simply written words.

The more words somebody else puts on a page, the

more diligent you have to be to read and understand

those words. That's what I'm trying to say. Yeah, because

usually somebody's trying to shoot a move with the more

words they have on there.

Well, you know when Apple comes out with an update

and it says you can't download the new software without signing,

and it says read and sign, and you're literally going

you literally have to scroll the whole page like nine times.

We own you and your children and right everything that

you think now is our property. So what percentage of

the population who signed it read it. They don't that

many people, right, Yeah.

There may be a dozen people in the world that

actually sit down and read that, because my guess is,

if you read it and you actually understand it, you

probably wouldn't sign it.

You know, there was a time when a man's word

was his bond, when a handshake would really get business

done and two men standing. My dad grew up. It's

so funny. I think of old time business being done

over the pickle barrel because there was a general store

picklebar Yeah. Well, there was a general store in our

community that all the old farmers in our community would

go down and they had they made sandwiches behind the counter,

and there was a general store and they had two

pickle barrels that had checkers boards on the thing. They

men to sit around play checkers and do business and

it was like a daily thing and they would work

it out. Hey, so you plant the hay this year,

and we'll plant the alfalfa. He's going to raise the cows,

and they're going to plant the corn. And they would

kind of work out all of this and everything we've

done by a handshake. Yeah, sure, I'll loan you my

tractor and in the meantime, I'm going to need to

borrow your hay Baylor. Right, And they would just do

everything with a handshake. And it's because they trusted each other,

They went to church together, they knew each other well,

they didn't take advantage of each other and understood that

society requires that people keep their word. And then we

get into a litigious society where the expectation the longer

the contracts are, the less society believes that keeping our

word is essential. Right. As a matter of fact, the

reality is, you sign those contracts and you know, you know,

I signed a lease on a car a while back,

and the guy behind the countrect he said, you know,

these things aren't worth the paper they're written on. You

can get out of it, so can we. Well, then

why did I just sign twenty two pages? Right? It's

because we're currently living in a society doesn't believe in

the value of the word. And I just think that

there's something to that that godly men and women should

be people of their word. You say a thing, you

should follow through on that thing?

Well sure r yeah, Well, I mean James says, let

your yesp yes, and you know, b.

No, yeah, yeah, exactly. That's what godly people do. That's

kind of the advice he's giving here is be really

careful if people use too many words or whatever.

So, yeah, that's great, all righty. Wisdom is uh is

the essence of who God is.

Yeah right, absolutely.

So, and let's recognize it and when we see it,

let's hang on to it more than we crave gold

or riches.

Wisdom is far more valuable than rubies. Nothing you desire

can compare with it. That's awesome.

All right. Well, that's a good wrap up and we

will see you next time, hopefully on the Bible Gush