Bible Guys Classics: Exodus 33:12–23

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Anyway, Hey, today we're actually in the second week and

second day of the second week of Dangerous Prayers. Yes,

and today we're talking about Moses and how he actually

had a conversation with God and prayed a very audacious

and kind of a out there kind of in prayer.

Absolutely.

Yeah. But before we get into that, we have a

really fun.

Segment Who's most likely?

Yes, do you like these? Yeah? Yeah, sure, I like

these a lot.

Yes, all right, so we're gonna go through we got

five who's most likely yep and uh yes, So I'm

gonna read these or we're gonna read them together. I'll

start with the first one, and then we're just gonna

discuss who's most likely to do something? Okay, first one,

who's most likely to show up late with Starbucks in hand?

Chris or Kyle, which, by the way, is funny because

that indicates that the reason why they're late is they

stop to get.

Starbucks right for somebody else. Yes, so I would say

you are. I would say probably historically more of a

late person, maybe just.

Because I'm no, no, no, there's no doubt I am.

And when it comes to cost. But I'm the Starbucks person.

So I don't know. That's a tough That's a tough one, man.

Yeah, it is, as I have a generic cuff yet

by hand. Yeah.

I if I'm willing to be late to something and

I have Starbucks in hand, I think that's my way

of justifying being late.

Okay, all right, so let's go with you, which, by

the oh wait, that is pretty funny, right when somebody.

I actually saw a commercial the other day where a

lady walked into the hospital and she's like, I got

here just as soon as I can. And she's like,

where have you been? She's like, goet her as soon

as I can. And she had a Starbucks the hand

and she goes, did you stop for coffee?

Hit in forty minutes of life for that.

It's hilarious. So yeah, okay, we'll say we'll say you okay.

Number two. Who's most likely to fall for an obvious scam? Oh?

Man, are you? You don't seem gullible?

I don't. I think I'm the opposite of this.

Yeah. So I when I first when I read this

before we started this, I was like, oh, I don't

think either of us. But I did realize I did

fall first scam recently. I'm embarrassed to admit this.

Really.

Yes, So there's these golfers that I follow on social media,

good good golf. You ever heard of them?

Huh?

Christian guys, but that they just do golf videos on YouTube.

They're very popular among YouTube golfers. And there's Instagram. Mad

came up a few months ago, oh for like for

like seven dollars shirts. It was it literally showed video

with them. Since seven dollars shirt, it's good good golf.

Click on this link, and I did, and I was like,

holy smokes, they're actually seven dollars shirts and they had

this and they had that. So I ordered like forty

dollars worth of things, maybe fifty dollars worth of things,

and I ordered it and then it sent it like

when I when the order came through with some some

third party website, and I was like, oh my goodness,

I think I just got scammed. But before I had

even realized I got scammed, I'd sent it to several

friends and they're like after I'd ordered, They're like, bro,

you get like you really fell for that. So it's

kind of like I felt embarrassed later that. I'm like,

so somebody must have taken their videos, yeah, and then

threw the seven dollars shirt over top of their videos.

So it was a legitimate scam. But yeah, that.

Okay, And then what happened to your money?

So I ended up having to go and fight it

with a credit card company and got my money back.

But yeah, it was definitely.

And you didn't get anything in the man, no no no, no,

no no no, I'd still be waiting. Wow. Yes, So

that that's incredible.

Yeah, and I was. I was annoyed at myself because

I had. People were like, dude, how did you not?

I'm like, oh, I thought I found a good deal.

Yeah, yeah I had. I had a lady called me

just like the other day, and I decided to answer it.

And she you know, you know, it's obvious she's in

another country somewhere. She's speaking in such broken English that

I can't even understand her. And she's saying, you've been

forgiven for you know, my kids have like student loan things.

You know, She's like, you've been forgiven for maximum forgiveness.

She's like maximum forgiveness meaning everything, And all I need

to do is get your information to sign into your account.

Oh And I was like really really, I mean I

can't even understand the English, and she's saying to me

that all she needs is all my personal information because

I've been approved for maximum for givens.

All right, So unfortunately I think this one may be me.

I hate to admit that.

Okay, all right. Number three actually wait wait no you.

Read yeah, yeah, number three, who's most likely to run

for office? Just to prove a.

Point, Well, if Jeff, we're here, that be him, Yes,

there's no doubt.

Can we just say Jeff just because so why would

it be Jeff?

Well? Because number one, he would actually be smart enough

to run for offic Yes, yes, you and I know no,

there's there's there's that.

Yes.

And number two, I guess he's just determined in some ways.

Do you ever hear the Did you ever hear the

story he told about like fighting the county for chickens?

Yeah, for chickens, he told Yeah one time. He told

me there's a fifteen minute story. He told me one time,

like some gets together. I was like, wow, there's quite elaborate.

Yeah. And the thing is he didn't even really care. Yeah,

you wanted to win?

Is to prove a point?

Well, because he was right? Yes, yes, yeah, so I

thought that was funny. So so yeah, Jeff's Jeff's the

winner between But uh, me or you? I don't know, man,

I don't know. If we had to choose, i'd probably

say me just because people, Well that's not true either.

I was gonna say older people have a better shot

at office. Is that true? I think it's true? Yeah?

Maybe yeah maybe? Or trust yeah maybe? Okay? Fine. Number four,

who's most likely to compete on Survivor and actually win.

Boy. So dude, actually, I do you ever watch the arrivor.

Do you want to or something? Hilarious? This is remember

just as embarrassed as you were to say that you

fell for a scam. I have never once seen a

single episode of Survivor, okay, not one, So I have

no idea what Survivor is other than I think they

just have to have knowledge to survive things. Yeah.

So you're stranded on an island. It's essentially stranded, and

you do different challenges. You sleep in the woods or

the jungle, and you every couple of days you vote

somebody off that you basically dislike.

I knew this voting off there.

Yeah, so that's that's where you get to the end

and then and then basically your peers vote who the

winner is.

Okay, the fact that you even knew that puts you

ahead of me, I would Okay.

So I've watched the show a bunch. For anybody who's

a Survivor fan out there, I would love the chat

Survivor with you, because I have watched. I've not watched

the last few seasons, but it's a show that me

and my family we enjoy. It's a great show. I've

thought about it a lot because I watch it and

I wonder what would be like to be on there,

and I think I could do a good job on

the show. From a from a challenge slash social perspective,

the biggest negative is sleeping and rats. I hate rodents,

so I think I already can you handle are there

a lot of rats? I think that there's a lot

of wildlife roading like that, and where they're at, and

they'll just be out in the bout and stuff will

be around them.

That's so so I actually already know it doesn't really

matter how good you are or think you can be

on this show. The fact that it's just outdoors. All

you have to do is say outdoors.

Sleep and I'm out.

Yes, I'm out. So you know, it's not like I

can't sleep outdoors. I've done it. I've camped, I've camped

on the ground with sleeping bags. I've done the tenth thing,

I've done, the RV thing I've done, I've done some

of those things. I've you know, cooked by the fire

and all that stuff. I've done that, and I just

loathe it. I loathe it. I loaded it with every

part of my being. Yeah, I just don't understand, right, So,

I don't understand why that's so unbelievable. And you know

what I think it is. I think it's it's this.

It's one of two things. Either number one, people love

nature and they love it, love love love nature, right,

feel closer to God, nature, want to be around nature.

They feel something about what nature does for them, all

these kind of things. I have none of that. And

then number two, there's like a primal, live off the

land kind of a thing, right that, which is different.

It's more of like a look at me, I survive

with a stick and a you know, in a hunting whatever.

That's a little bit of survivor. Some of the people

that go on the show are thinking that same way.

Yeah yeah, yeah, So I would say I have none

of that either, right now? Could I do it? Well?

I think I could. I just don't like it. Yeah.

So some people go on the show and they literally

will last twenty four hours and they're ready to go home.

There's other people that will last thirty something days and

say I love this, this was great. And that's the

part where I'm like, you are a certain type of person. Oh,

you go thirty something days and you loved it. That's odd?

All right, So I think that woul want to be

me but by default yep. And then last one go ahead,

all right, this last one, who's most likely he become

obsessed with a random hobby like extreme ironing.

Extreme ironing?

Oh boy, First of.

All, I've never even heard of that phrase in my life.

Oh have you no extreme ironing?

No? Now, first of all, let's just talk about this.

Do you like to iron?

I don't do it. No, I use a steamer.

So I'm the only one in my family that irons.

So it's not like my wife can't iron. She can,

but she lets me do it because I grew up ironing.

Yeah, I kind of want to buy an ironing board

and iron because you don't. No, we use like a

little steamer thing, but it's not the same. I like

when I go to hotel and I see if I'm

like doing a wedding or something like that, I like

to actually iron my shirt.

Huh. Yeah. So my mom taught me when I was

a kid, had iron and so she literally would take

different types of clothes and say, here's how you do it.

And so I grew up ironing so weirdly enough, I mean,

the fact that ironing is attached to me in some

way is weird by itself. But I'm not kidding when

I say, like my best friend since the eighth grade,

Jeff Miller, he always knows wherever we go. All he

has to do is say, hey, I have six things

a he'ed ironed. Here you go, and he just hands

them to me, like if we're on a trip or something,

so so here you go. I'll say, Okay, makes look good,

and I'll make it. I'll make them look great.

That's awesome because I love to iron.

Actually I don't love it. I just I sort of

enjoy it.

Okay, So extreme ironing so most likely become obsessed with

a random hobby that probably would be you between the

two of us, and then extreme ironing for sure would

be you.

Okay, so I'm the winner of that clearly.

All right, yes, all.

Right, well hey that was really random. Yes, And you

know what else is random? This prayer that Moses comes

up with out of the blue.

It is random.

It is random. It's it's it's sort of like it's

it's never been requested before. And uh, and I don't

think it's ever been indulged since then. No, right, so

you can say that it's random. It's it's certainly cool.

It is it is?

It is random?

Yes, all right? So Exodus thirty three is the chapter

we're in, yep, and then twelve the verses twelve through

twenty three. Let's see your all right. Starting in verse twelve,

one day, Moses said to the Lord, you've been telling

me take these people up to the promised Land, but

you haven't told me whom he will send with me.

You have told me I know you by name, and

I'll look favorably on you. If it is true that

you look favorably on me, let me know your way

so I may understand you more fully and continue to

enjoy your favor. But remember that this nation is your

very own people. And the Lord replied, I will personally

go with you, Moses, and I will give you rest.

Everything will be fine for you. Then Moses said, if

you don't personally go with us, don't make us leave

this place. How will anyone know that you look favorably

on me, on me and on your people if you

don't go with us, For your presence among us sets

your people and me apart from all other people on

the earth, the Lord applied to Moses, I will indeed

do what you have asked for. I look favorably on you,

and I know you by name. Moses responded, Then show

me your glorious presence love that applied, I will make

you all, make all my goodness pass before you, and

I will call out my name yahweh before you. For

I will show mercy to anyone I choose, and I

will show compassion to anyone I choose. But you may

not look directly at my face, for no one may

see me and live, the Lord continued. Look stand near

me on this rock. As my glorious presence passes by.

I will hide you in the crevice of the rock

and cover you with my hand until I have passed by.

Then i'll remove my hand and let you see me

from behind, but my face will not be seen. All right,

that's the end of it. Yes, so let me read

that again. Then I will remove my hand and let

you see me from behind, but my face will not

be seen. That's verse twenty three. All right.

Yeah, you want to know how churchy my church was

so so a lot of times when you preach this

in the King James version, and in those type of churches,

we used to call that the afterglow. Okay, so that

you know, it's like the afterglow of God's presence. And

so every time we would have like an event after

like a Sunday like Wednesday night service or sendate service,

we call it afterglow. That has to be literally, I'm

not even kidding. That is one of the cheesiest and

worst memories. Think about that. This is the cheesiest thing. Now,

it's not cheesy for church people, right, I mean, it's

kind of cool for church people in terms of like

the concept. But like, can you imagine inviting a friend.

Come after who does it?

Yeah, Hey, hey, we're gonna do this thing. You'll be

going so cool. What's it called. It's called after glow?

Why is it called after glow? Well, we're gonna have

to get it. That's kind of a long story, but

we're calling it afterglow. Oh it's just the worst. So anyway,

but yes, that is actually such a random request, you know,

let me see your presence, because think about it, I

don't think that anybody well I'm trying to think, you know,

Jesus' disciples said you know, take us where you're going, right.

I don't think anybody asked to see Jesus and the transfiguration,

although they did, they saw Jesus face as white as

you know, bright as the sun. But I don't think

anybody has ever said, God, I want to see your face.

I could be wrong, but I don't think so. And

yet God indulged Moses. And you know what's so interesting

here is that God indulged Moses in his patience more

than once, because Moses said, go with me, and then

God immediately said I indeed will go with you and

with all of the people. And then Moses says again

right after that, Lord, if you don't go with us,

how will anybody know? Right? And God, it's almost as

if God, if I were God, I would say, didn't

you hear me? I literally just said that, I stutter,

I literally just gave you the promise. And and and

I think that sometimes we as humans, you know, we

are plagued by past experience, like for instance, here's the

reason why I believe Moses had such a hard time

believing God at his word, because this is Exous thirty

three and actually has chapter twenty that was the ten Commandments,

and then you know after you know, of course, the

Ten Commandments were given after the plgus of Egypt, so

you know, God had demonstrated himself in the plagues of Egypt.

He'd you know, part of the Red Sea. He had

demonstrated himself as the God who loved and cared for

his people to the entire nation of Israel, which is

estimately be millions of people by the way. And so

these people then are in the wilderness. And then what happens.

Moses goes on top of Mount Sinai, comes back with

the Ten Commandments, and while he's on the mountain, they

decide to build a golden calf. In Exus thirty two,

which is the chapter before, right, the chapter before, so

one chapter earlier than this, Moses comes down with the

Ten Commandments and sees Arin not just anybody Aaron for

crying out loud, right, his right hand man, who actually

fashioned the golden calf himself, and all the people contributed

from the community. It says, they took off their gold earrings,

their gold rings, they're go necklaces, they go bracelets, and

they and they heeded them up and they formed this

huge golden calf. To worship because they had no god

to worship, because that's what they were used to in Egypt, right,

they were used to worshiping Raw the god of the Sun,

or you know, or or whoever it is, Haites, the

god of the underworld, or you know, all these different

you know, Egyptian gods. And so what do they do.

They form this gold calf, Moses comes down. God gets angry,

the tank, commandment tablets are shattered, right, and then and

then there's death. There's this big punishment where he actually

like grinds up the into it's it's just a long story, right,

but he says, drink it and all these different things.

I mean, it's it's it's it's terrible, and half the

nation dies. And so then of course why would why

would Moses not be discouraged?

Yeah?

Right, And so so he says, God, go with us

in our journey to the Promised Land. You've told us

that we're going to be given at land. Go with us,

And God says, I will indeed go with you. He says, God,

you have to go with us, right, And I think

it's because we're shattered from our from our past experiences,

don't you.

Yeah, No, I agree. I think it's actually uh yeah,

when you put that context into it, Yeah, you see

why Moses is that way. And also I think it's

an even better picture of who God is, you know,

like Moses literally was a friend of God and the

way God was patient with him, and the way God

reminded him multiple times, Like I like, I think it's

a few different times he says, I show favor, like

I see you favorably. I want to give you favor.

Let me see I will, Yeah, I look favorably upon

you said it. I think two three times he shows

favorite to him and he says that I know your name.

Yes, And I didn't even say I.

Will show mercy to anyone I choose. I will show

compassion to anyone I choose. So I like, I think,

I think it's interesting he chose mercy, compassion, and anyone

I choose that it was not honestly when I first

wart out, I was expecting mercy and then judgment. I'll

choose mercy and I'll choose judgment. He said mercy and compassion.

Yeah, like mercy or judgment. Yeah, but he's he's say

mercy and compassion that I choose which are which our

close cut.

Yes, yes, but then the whole idea of yeah, looking

looking at me at my fate, my presence, you can't

even look me in the face. I mean, yeah, that

is that's really I mean, honestly, all I can say,

that's awesome, like that is such a cool like picture

of God. Just say, you can't even see me, you can't,

like you're gonna have to turn my back, and even

then you're probably still gonna have a hard time comprehending

the majesty of my presence. I love that.

So when I memorized all of this when I was

a young student, I just remember in the King James version,

in verse eighteen, instead of saying, then show me your

glorious presence, Moses said, then show me your glory. That's

all it says, right, show me your glory. Yeah, and

and uh and so God God grants him this request

and he says, I will show you my presence, but

I'm not gonna I'm not gonna show you my face

because nobody can look upon my face. So so somehow

Moses hides in the cleft. It's another fancy where we

used cleft in the cleft of the rock, right and

and somehow God covers his face with his hand. And

yet we know that God is spirit, right, so so

you know, this can either be symbolic, you know, because

you know it's not going to say covered Moses with

part of his spirit, right, so his hand, But somehow,

with God's presence he covered Moses's face and then and

then somehow he let him see the back of him.

So so I do wonder at times did God take

a form that Moses can identify with with hands and

with a back? You know? Was it more like a

like a like a foreshadowing of a Jesus form, right?

You know? That could have been it like the what's

it called when Jesus shows up in the Old Testament?

Christophane?

Yeah, Christophanie. So it's like, so it could be one

of those things. But either way, Moses gets to be

a part of something that I don't think anybody else

besides the Transfiguration could even witness. And so Moses then

is seeing God's glorian So think about it. Man, of

all the people who have ever walked the face of

the earth, you know, Moses had that privilege because he

dared to ask.

Yeah, I love that, right, Yeah, And I think I'm

glad you brought up the context earlier of what led

to this, because I think that matters a ton, right.

I think it was cool the way God was patient

with him, but also is just saying, like, ask for

my presence. And I think that we, as Christ's followers,

I think, isn't it so easy to get caught up

with the busyness of our lives and schedule and all

that stuff that we completely miss God's presence in like

everyday life. Even if for anybody who missed yesterday's episode,

Chris talked about going out and just being aware of

the fact that God is all around us. I do

think that there's like this thing we have in our

world where we're so busy, we're so distracted, there's so

much going on around us that we completely miss on

miss God's goodness. Christen, my wife, just started like a

year ago. She started doing this like thankfulness journal where

every morning she writes five things that she's thankful for

that she's I think it's gratitude journal. That's it, five

things that she's grateful for. And she says that she

looks forward to writing in her gratitude journal, and then

sometimes she even find herself like a knight or witnessing

something throughout the day saying oh, tomor I'm gonna write

that in my gratitude journal. So I'm like, man, what

a cool perspective that, Like, you're always looking for things

God's presence, things that'd be grateful for. And I love that. Yeah,

Like you mentioned that, Moses wasn't afraid to ask God

like show me your glory, show me your presence. I

want to see it, and it is in. God granted

it because that God knew he needed to see that.

He needed, like you said, like a pick me up

to remember, like, hey, I'm with you. You need this.

It's really cool.

Yeah, and I think that. I think that it's also

a demonstration, like you said you said earlier, that's also

a picture of who God is. Because God was so

patient in his response to Moses. You know, instead of

saying did I stutter? God says, yes, let me reassure

you the same exact thing, and then he goes even

this step further. He says the same thing to Moses, yes,

I'll go with you, and then he goes further and says,

I look favorably upon you, and I know you by name.

And I think that there's something very personal about that,

where God is trying to let Moses know like, you

are seen, you are appreciated. I've asked you to do everything,

and you have done it. You've been my faithful servant.

And yes, of course Moses has gone through a heck

of a journey, right, and he's about to go through

a heck of a lot worst journey, right. I mean,

you know, forty years of everything else, right, So it's

you know, it's not always easy. But yet what God

is saying is is you are seen, you are loved,

you are faithful, you are favored, and I know you

by name. And I think that that is so unbelievably

important for us to remember that God knows us by name.

So the Bible promises to every single one of us

today that it says, actually that God knows the number

of hairs that are on your head, and for me

that gets less and less everything. Yeah, and so that

number constantly changes. But He knows the number of hairs

that are in your head. He knows the Boble says

in the New Testament. He knows our hearts better than

we know ourselves. He knows the depths of who we are.

He knows our every single part of human nature. The

Bible reveals that that that God has this insight more

than we even do ourselves. And God knows us by name,

and he loves us, and he still accepts us and

values us in spite of our sin, in spite of

our discouragement, in spite of our you know, rebellion. I

was going to say cynicism, right, I mean, a lot

of things have happened in our nation even that are

pretty discouraging, right, And I mean that's an understatement, right.

When I say pretty discouraging, I mean very discouraging. And

if and if not careful, you could let yourself just

go down that rabbit hole and say the whole world

is this way. And in some ways it kind of is.

That's what the Bible says, right, the world's gonna get worse.

But in a lot of ways we have to realize that,

you know, sometimes you know, one action doesn't speak for

the majority of the human race, right, So I think

that sometimes we think it does. I don't think it does.

We know that the world's getting worse in a lot

of ways. But all I'm really trying to say is

the perspective is Moses is letting the tragedies of the

nation and the discouragement of of of these, you know,

atrocities in the past keep him from believing, keep him

from having faith, keep him from trusting in God fully

and so and so that's why he says, God, if

you don't go with us, and God's like I just said,

I'm going with you. So it's like, you know, no

matter how to discourage you are, and you have reason

to be Believe me, I'm not making light of those things.

In fact, it's incredibly discouraging. I do think that what

I'm trying to say is God's presence is still with us.

God's promises are still the same. God's you know, reliability

and dependability are just as strong, right, and so no

matter what you're going through, no matter how discourage you are,

just know that God's promises are still just as true

today as they've ever been.

Yeah. Good, great's great, dude, great truth right there.

Yeah right there? All right, Well, hey, that is our

time for sure, So we will see you hopefully next

time on the Bible.

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