Bible Guys Classics: 2 Corinthians 12:1–10

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middle of a series called Dangerous.

Prayers, bind about surrendered.

And you know, this whole week has been quite a journey, right.

So it's been Isaiah in heaven talking about, you know,

send me God, and then we talked about Moses who says, okay, God,

show me your glory. You know, I want your presence

to be with me. What a dangerous prayer, right, to

desire God's glory more than anything else. And then yesterday

we talked about the disciples who are faced with a

really hard truth, who say, God, help us to increase

our faith. Right, so think about that, you know, send

me on whatever mission you want. God, help me to

know your presence more than anything else. And God increased

my faith so that I can do what you asked

me to do. Those are three dangerous prayers, and today

we're actually talking about the prayer that Paul prayed about

the thorn in his flesh. What is known as the thorn.

I've always hated that phrase. I've always hated it.

Really.

Yeah, I don't know, because it's not a literal thorn. Yeah,

I don't know. It's just for some reason, when we

when we attach things to you know, it's just become

known as the thorn.

What is it?

Yet, it's like it's like he never you know, I

guess a translation referred to as the thorn. That's that's

why where the name came from. Yeah, but anyway, all.

Right, so before we even get into that, we're going

to be playing this game. It's guess the word. And

I'm gonna be the host of this game. And I

don't know if you know this, but people call me

the king of catchphrase.

Apparently, because that's what that's what that's how this is rich.

That's right, wrote this game and or this made this

And she knows that if she's been my house a

few times in which we've played the game catchphrase. And

I'll be honest, although I am good at catchphrase. My wife,

I have to minute. She'll she may not listen to

this podcast right now for this day, but she is

definitely better than me.

Kristen.

Yeah, she's not a competitive person at all, but for

some reason catchphrase, she gets very competitive. She's good queen,

She's the queen. Yep.

All right.

So what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna get I'm

gonna have a word.

And by the way, this is sort of like taboo.

And if you're listening online, if you're watching online on video,

what we're going to try to do, hopefully is put

all the forbidden words on the screen so that you

can watch along with us and make sure that Kyle

doesn't make a blunder. Yes, so watch yourself, monitor yourself.

I'll be careful. So basically, there's a word that I

want Chris to say, but I have to avoid saying

these other words that you're going to see on this

The audience should race me, all right, So we'll go

number one. Yes, this word is something you will eat

in Apple. Nope, it's something you may get at doat

Francesca's probably a basic thing on the menu.

Lasagna.

Nope, it's even more basic than that lapasta. Nope, it's

similar tophistic part of that. Yes, I can't say those words. Nope,

it's it's like basic man's chef. Yep, there you go, boom, spehetti.

Okay.

Number two, this one is gonna be toughka no.

No, you can't move on yet. You gotta tell us

the words that you are not allowed to say.

I couldn't say pasta, noodles, Italian sauce, or meat balls.

Now, by the way, once I say the words, you're

allowed to say that, okay, gotcha. So so if I

was like I said pasta, you can say what's another

word for past.

There you go, you can say that. There you go.

All right.

Our next one, this one's gonna be a tough one.

All right. So this maybe somebody is a magician and

they would do this. They will no, they would shoot.

It's one word and it's something where they're uh teleport Nope,

shoot a word. I almost just said, okay, So they're

making you think something that isn't actually there an illusion. Boom,

that's the word illusion. Nice work, all right. So the

words I couldn't say were magic, trick, deception, mirage, or fake. Wow,

So good job do you. I know, that's kind of hard.

That was tough, So I said, magician, I don't know, hopefully,

I I.

Don't know how I would say illusion.

Yeah, it's tough.

Yeah, a lot of times the way I approach this

game is I try to go at a different angle. Yeah,

and I say, like, it's like, what's that movie with

you know, the Illusionist? So yeah, cut it down illusion. Yeah.

So that's even like for the spaghetti One's why I

went with Duffer Chessca's. Canat know you like the place?

But okay, yeah, this next one is can.

Be brutal, although I do like daffern Chesca's, but you

know it beats it. Oh yeah, it's it's my spot.

It's number one for sure.

Nice all right. So third one here, I got a

word here where basically you can fall into it. You

may see this on a beach, a pit. It's more

in movies. Something you might see in movies, and it's

something where you end up falling into it and it's

really hard to get out of this thing. You may

see like Indiana Jones, you know, like an Indiana Jones

type thing where they are quick sand yes boom, okay,

couldn't say sink. No, sink. You can't say sink. You

can't say trap, desert, mud or struggle.

Okay, because sink would have given yes. Yeah, that's pretty crazy. Yep.

Okay, all right. Fourth one, all right, oh, here we go,

give me a moment. Here, I gotta look at these

ones here. Okay, this is hard.

Yeah, these are these are decently tough.

Yes, okay. Fourth one is it's it's an attribute that

somebody may have character, no, mm, integrity, thank you, get

me go, Oh my gosh, this is tough. Okay. It's

also something in that thank you you're uh, it's something

that may go out at your home.

Electricity.

Uh, that is one of the words. It's electricity. But

what is power? Power?

Thank you?

Attribute somebody may have as I went wrong on that

west So it's strength, energy, electricity, control, and authority. So

it did a good job of locking it. But once

you said electricity, that was great okay.

And and the word was power.

Yeah, power. That's why I said it's something you can

lose in a home. You said electricity, Where does that

come from?

I would have said, like the old he Man cartoon says,

I have the blank.

Yeah, okay, I need to do a better job of

looking at it. Yeah, pop culture. Thanks. Okay, all right,

here we go this next one. Yea, it's not it's

the opposite of white as far black colors. Okay, that's

the first word. And then this is something you would

fall into.

Black pit.

Nope, something else you'd fall into. You got it?

Black ditch?

Oh yeah, no, it's it's a black hole, there it is.

Yeah.

Well I didn't even say anything. You just got there

right so that the words were uh, space, gravity, galaxy,

universe or suck. So for you, I feel like when

I went with your your strategy of opposite of white black,

there you go. So you gotta du that was good.

Do you get all five?

Next word?

All right? All right? So speaking question is did the

fans beat me?

Did the fans beat you? Yees? So I guess let

us know. I meant we mentioned this a couple of

days ago. We love to read your comments. I don't

know if you know what's but his comments. Yes, she

comments all the times, very encouraging words. So maybe if anything,

just that could be a reason to start reading the comments.

Let us know if you beat us in that game,

beat Chris, and that game beat me? I guess I

once thought I was the king of catchphrase. That was tough, though.

I bet you my good friends Maria and Craig Brown,

dear friends of ours. Yeah, I bet you that they're

going to comment because I mentioned the restaurant that they

always take us to, Licious. Yes, and they're going to comment.

And oh my goodness, Yes, Maria Craig say hi. If

you're listening to this, yes, say hi, And that's all

you have to do.

Just say. Then everybody else tune in to see Marie

and Craig say hi. Yes, So everybody engage. Everybody writes something.

Yeah, let us know. I mean, that's so that's their

favorite spot is Luciano's, right, Oh yeah, okay, So here's

what I want to do, just because I want to

hear on that comment. Let us know what your favorite

local restaurant is. It might be nice to show some

love to local fun spots, you know, local spots, local restaurants.

Nice.

All right, So clearly that was not a weakness of

yours or mine that game, right, you'd say that was

a strength of yours.

Right, yeah, oh good.

But job, some people this kind of thing may be

a weakness. And today we're actually going to talk about

turning your weakness into a strength. Whow as we lean

into Second Corinthians twelve, it's good, that's good.

Right, you took the assignment seriously? Yeah, yeah, you really

did well. Good.

But I saw weakness and I was like, oh, that

was good. That was the strength of yours. Because if

you would have said I'm not really that good at that,

that would have been my segue. But anyways, you are good.

And today we're going to be reading in Second Corinthians

in chapter twelve, and as Chris mentioned earlier, it's about dangerous,

dangerous prayers of surrender. Second Corinthians. You good if I

start yep?

All right?

Twelve one through ten says this, This boasting is Paul speaking.

This boasting will do no good, but I must go on.

I will reluctantly tell about the visions and revelations from

the Lord. I was caught up to the Third Heaven

fourteen years ago. Whether I was in my body or

out of my body, I don't know. Only God knows. Yes,

only God knows whether I was in my body or

outside my body. But I do know that I was

caught up to paradise and heard things so astounding that

they can astounding that they cannot be expressed in words.

Things no human is allowed to tell. That experience is

worth boasting about. But I'm not gonna do it. I

will boast only about my weaknesses. If I wanted to boast,

I would be no fool in doing so, because I

would be telling the truth. But I won't do it

because I don't want anyone to give me credit beyond

what they can see in my life or hear in

my message. Even though I have received such wonderful revelations

from God. So to keep me from becoming proud, I

was given a thorn in my flesh, a messenger from

Satan to torment me and keep me from becoming proud.

Three different times I beg the Lord to take it away.

Each time he said, my grace is all you need.

My power works best in weakness. So now I'm glad

to boast about my weaknesses so that the power of

Christ can work through me. That's why I take pleasure

in my weaknesses and the insults, hardships, persecutions, and troubles

that I suffer for Christ. For when I am weak,

then I am strong man.

That's I love this It's one of the most p

found on paradoxical statements in the Bible, you know, and

they always say, like, you know, in order to be exalted,

you have to be humble, in order to be last,

in order to be first, you have to be last.

You know, the most powerful direction is not up and down,

and you know, goodness, there's so many other ones, but

you know, in order to live, I have to die, right,

I mean, there's so many different opposite kind of things,

and this is probably one of the most powerful. He says,

for when I am weak, then I am strong, because

the reason why it's powerful is because the concept is

deeper than most. Right. So it's like what he's really

saying is he's saying that there's a human part of

yourself and you're gifted, right, You're gifted in all sorts

of strong ways. You have all these gifts that you

know that that allow you to progress in this world.

And you know, being a good talker, a good communicator,

a good persuasive person, a good relational person. Right, all

these different things, your your wisdom and all these different things.

But whenever you operate in your own strengths, it's it's

less of a spotlight on God's power in your life.

So you could say that, you know, a really talented

person could operate in their own strength and be like

even a pastor or a leader. We've certainly seen those

the share of those kinds of people right where it's like, wow,

they're just a phenomenal, charismatic leader, but it seems like

it's all them and it's nothing about the power of God.

And then sometimes, not often, i should say not the majority.

It is often, but not the majority. But oftentimes we'll

see a pastor fall and we'll say, well, that's because

he was operating in his own strengths. He was operating

in it was all about him, right, or you know whoever.

So I think that I think that this concept is

so deep because what it's saying is it's saying that

whenever you're deficient, you have no choice but to rely

on the power of God in your life. And it's like, well, God,

I'm in Cape. It's like Gideon, right, It's like I'm

incapable of doing these things. And God's like, perfect, You're

exactly where I want you to be. And you're like,

what do you mean, Well, God, I can't do this.

Perfect David goes out there to fight Goliath. You know,

I can't put on Saw's armor perfect. Now you're gonna

see God's strength come through because there's no way you

could defeat Golias like this, right, I mean, come on,

I mean he was a good shot with the slang,

but that hadn't been gotten right. And so it's like,

it's like, that's what it means. It means Paul is saying,

like I have I am. So you think about Paul Man,

it's credentials. Think about Paul. There was nobody that could

have boasted more than Paul. Yes, and and and yet

what he's saying is is he's saying, there's this thing

in my life and and and uh and it's just

there to remind me that I have to stay humble,

right because because if this thing weren't there, I probably

wouldn't rely on God as much as I do.

Yeah, So would you say the dangerous prayer here would

be the fact that he prayed three times for the

Lord to take the flesh or the thorn away.

Yeah.

And then God's response was that my grace is enough.

I think it says in this translation I've always heard,

is that my grace is sufficient for you. You've probably heard

that before and IV translation translations, sufficient is defined as enough.

And I don't know why, I've always loved that that

that that word that's saying, my grace is sufficient sufficient.

So here it says, is all you need.

All you need.

Okay.

I love that my grace is all you need. Whenever

you know he's saying, he said, hey, take this away

from me. Hey, just you know, my grace is enough.

You don't need anything more or anything less. This is

what I got for you. I love that, But I

think for me that you agree with you. I love

the fact that he's talking about boasting in the things

that you're weak at, because when you're weak, then He

has made strong. And it's a reminder, yeah, for all

of us or anybody really here who maybe is going

through something that maybe it's a sickness, maybe it's an illness,

maybe it's something in your life. I don't know about you,

but I think it's powerful to pray and ask God.

We should be praying, we should be praying for healing

over things. But you and I both have seen a

fair share of prayers that you're just asking God's will

to be done right. You're just praying. And oftentimes I

think one of the problems is that sometimes we start

to attach people's faith or lack of faith into that healing.

But we see here, here's Paul, who is like the

most faith right, he's the most God following person. Yet

God didn't take away that sickness, that ailment, that illness,

whatever it. Maybe that thorn in his flesh. God said,

don't worry about relying on me. Just a fun story

that just I don't know if I've ever shared this

story with you, but there's one time many years ago

the youth group I was leading, there's a big group

of students and leaders that went to a concert for

a well known worship group in the country. They're a

well known traveling worship group. But they also had their

known to do like healings at the end of the service,

and so we had a bunch of students and adult

leaders who went out there with these with to see

this worship concert and at the end there was a

healing part of the service where they told people that

if you just had enough faith, enough faith small as

a mustard seed, God will heal you of whatever it is,

but you just have to take the step. And so

we had a person actually who is maybe a junior,

who actually drove himself checked this out. He drove himself

an hour to get there to this kount he everybody

else drove together. He had been running to something he had.

He has serious eyesight issues. If only he had faith,

then God would heal him. So what he did is

he broke his glasses that he needed to see, broke

him in half walk to the altar, could barely see.

And God did not take that from God did not

heal his his eyesight right there. And then his mom

called me the next day, devastated because for one her

son had to drive in this condition where he could

barely see. He is on the road driving an hour away.

I didn't know about this until the next day, and

then also came home feeling extremely discouraged that his his

what he has perceived lack of faith because God clearly

didn't heal him. I remember just thinking, man, and.

That's the danger. We can blame ourselves. What my faith,

My faith was.

Percent And I think this is always a reminder for

me that like, maybe it's not like I think we

should pray for healing. Maybe we should one hundred percent.

We should pray him, believe that God can heal us

and will if if he so desires. But the same

time trusting in what Paul is saying here that like

his grace is still enough. And I don't know if

you've had his stories like that where you've winned people

who like man, it must be my lack of faith

that God didn't heal this thing. And it's sad, yeah.

It is. And again the sad part is in the

fact that we sometimes take God's word and we say, well,

we're able to name it and claim it because the

choice is up to us. When when actually, in every

single time that God says, hey, if you have enough

faith ask this will be done. It'll be done. But

what God always does is he always throws it under

the umbrella that it's God. God is the one doing

the miracle. And so therefore it has to align with

God's will. Right, So it is if God chooses right,

and so so yes, we can have move We can

move mountains, We can see mountains moved with incredible faith.

We can see mulberry trees cast into the sea, we

can see all these different things. You know, with the

size of a mustard. See, but that's if God wills it. Right.

So God is able and we are able. Period, that's

the end of that sentence. Right. We can do this

with faith under the umbrella of if God wills it,

because after all, if it were just a name it

and claim it kind of a thing, then Paul's forlorn

in his flesh would have been gone. Yep. So Paul

has enough, certainly has enough faith. I mean, if anybody

has the quality of faith, and you know who makes

the cut, it's going to be Paul, right, So you know, Paul,

Paul is a guy in Act chapter nine where Jesus

appeared in front of him, He's the only apostle that is,

you know, to be categorized with the other twelve apostles, right,

He's the only other parstle that Jesus came down and

hand picked. And he did so after he died and

rose again, he came back down to the earth to

choose Paul to get the rest of the job done

to spread the gospel. I mean, he physically appeared in

front of Paul. Paul's talking about being caught up into

heaven and the paradise, which, by the way, what the heck,

is that about right?

We don't talk.

About that a lot. Yeah. But Paul's talking about this

vision that he had, and he says, I don't know

it was a vision. I don't know if I physically

went there. I don't know if I just had this vision.

Only God knows. But let me tell you something. I

was there. And so he's talking about this miraculous thing.

So if there's anybody who has enough faith that God

is real and able, it's Paul.

Yeah. Yeah, And I was just going to add ont to

that too. You mentioned earlier about how he's somebody who

had done had followed the law growing up, right, and

then he had this encounter with Jesus, the risen Savior,

and his life is completely transformed. But I like how

he talks about boasting in weakness, boasting your weaknesses. Isn't

it true that a tendency we may have as Christians,

the more we follow God, is to almost not even

notice our weaknesses. Right, were quick to notice the weaknesses

of others and point out the flaws of others. But

I actually think it's interesting the guy who should be

it was probably very mature in his faith, was very

quick to point out that he will boast, He'll brag

about his weakness. I think this is a reminder for

anybody who listen to this who maybe like it's really easy,

especially when on his daily podcast. You'll listen to a

daily Bible podcast, to really allow knowledge to puff you

up and build you up and make you feel somewhat

superior or feel like you have all the answers and

the truth and all that stuff. It's very easy. I honestly,

I think I've met so many people over the years

who the knowledge has puffed them up and created pride

and that sort of thing. Then you have Paul who

goes literally the opposite of that. He's like, no, no,

like I'm going to boast about my weaknesses for when

I'm weak and I made strong. That's literally what it

should look like. The more you actually, if you want

to go deeper and grow deeper in your faith, it

actually looks like that acknowledging that you don't have what

it takes. You're not strong enough. You have more weaknesses

maybe than you do strengths. You know, and maybe maybe

God has allowed this to happen because we absolutely need him.

Because I think that when once knowledge starts to puff up.

You begin to realize that you start to think, oh,

I got this, I'm smart enough, I'm good enough, I'm

out to enough, that's right, and miss out on all that.

Yeah, some of the best times in my life are

when I think to myself, if God doesn't show up,

I'm toasted. Right. I mean, you know you have to

you have to have enough faith in your life to

move forward with every God calls you to do. And

it's like it's like, man, you know, anything without risk

doesn't really require God to show up, right, And you know,

that's almost the definition of faith at times right where

where it's like it's like, Okay, I'm too weak for

this to happen. I can't manufacture this, I can't produce

the results of this. I can't make this happen. Only

God can do this. And so you know, that's a

form of saying, like, God, I can't do this, I'm

weak in this area, right, Only you have the power

to do this. And so I think that this is

a This serves as a great reminder. And I do

love the fact that we don't know what Paul's Infirmaty

Infirmary was. You know, some people have said over the years,

I've read so many different things. Some people have said

he was hunchbacked.

Have you ever heard of that?

That he had this hunchback, which because because the word

Paul means well, gosh, what does it mean, it means

it means like, does it mean hump or something? No,

Paul means can you look at up? Maybe you look

up what the word Paul means, but it means something

like that, and they thought, oh, maybe that's why he

was named that. And then some people for some reason

say that Paul's eyesight. I've heard that, Yeah, where maybe

it was he was blind or something, you know. And

then some people have attributed to you know, different various things.

But either way, it doesn't tell us.

Yeah, it looks like it's me Paul. It means small

or humble. There you go at Okay, I mean small

or humble. Ye me look up Saul real quick, just

because I'm curious. Yeah, which it wouldn't be with King Saul.

But still, I just remember being in the Life of

Paul class with doctor Haru, and I thought, and somehow

I thought he attributed the definition of the word Paul to.

The humpy, to the humpback.

But maybe not maybe, but maybe small Mint hunched over.

I don't know. But either way though, I love the

fact that Paul doesn't mention what it was because it's

symbolic for the rest of us. And so think about

the credentials of the apostle Paul. Number one, he was

a pharisee, right, so he grew up in the religious elite.

He had political prowess, he had a future, he had

definitely an income, right, he had fame, He had all

those different things. So in Act chapter nine, at the beginning,

it tells us that he was so much in favor

of the religious movement that he was actually in charge

of persecuting Christians. And he was commissioned by Caiaphas to

go to Damascus to accomplish in Damascus when he had

already successfully accomplished in Jerusalem, which was to perscue Christians.

He's the head of all of that, so he had influence,

he was rising up through the ranks, and Act chapter

seven he was an intern and Act chapter ninety's in

charge of the whole thing, so all of that. But

he was a Roman citizen on top of that, And

it was so unbelievably unique for a Jew to be

a Pharisee to also be a Roman citizen and for

him to be a Roman citizen. And by the way,

the context of that is, of course Rome was occupying

the territory of the Jewish people at the time. So

Rome had conquered the world, which is why they were

under They were under oppression, which is why when Jesus

was under trial, remember he had to go to both

Caiaphas and then to Herod and then you know, then

Caiaphas the Supreme Court, and then go back to ponscious Pilot.

It was both Rome condemning his death and then also

the religious leaders because the religios leaders can't do anything

without Rome. They were just there. They were the taxation,

they were the conquering political people of the world, the power.

So Paul had this unique position where he was a

Jew who he was a Roman citizen, which is why

later on when he's thrown in jail, he doesn't tell

anybody he's a Roman citizen. And then finally he says,

I'm a Roman citizen. They feared him and they let

him go, right, So think about everything he has worth

to brag for, and then none of that. But he

studied under the finest. He studied under Gamellion, So think

about his training under the very best of the best.

So here he is this prestigious guy. I've always I've

always been impressed with this. But did you know what

Paul's final exam was? If you ever heard this, So

the pharisees would have to study the Book of the Horror,

Oh yeah, right, or the Pentitook, the five Books of Moses,

and it would always be printed in the same fashion.

And so for Paul's final exam to become.

A pharisee, they have to have memorized.

Yeah, you'd have to have memorize. But get this to

such a Yeah, of course you had to have memorize.

But worse than that, they would close the Book of

the Peditook and they would take a nail and they

would pick anywhere on the Bible, and they would or

on the Books of Moses, and they would drive and

nail through anywhere in that book. And he would have

to quote every verse that it went through. Wow, based

on where it was on the page. Wow. Yeah, that's

that's according to according to tradition, that's what it was

on all five books of the Bible.

Yeah, it was like the first first, like thirteen, right

or something like. That's very well.

I'm not sure about us. It's most people's belief that

he would have taken the test at thirty. But but

you're thinking of just to be a Jewish boy would

have the Books of Moses memorized by the age of twelve.

Yes, right, and then they follow a rabbi and do

the whole thing.

Yeah, But in order to become a pharisee and to

have memorize it to that degree, you would have to

start that at thirty.

That's insane.

But yeah, I mean, think about all the credentials. So

if there's anybody who had a right to brag, it's Paul, Right,

So Egan brag about the things that he left, the

influence that he had, the difference that he made in

the Christian movement to where to where like he had

to literally be lowered out of a wall. He had

officials after him. So he has caused the ruckus to

the highest degree. And so he says, listen, I've been

to heaven, whether it's bodily or not, I've been there

in a vision or something. He's like, I have reason

to brag, and yet and yet I'm telling you right now.

I'm not going to do it because I can tell

you a bunch of stories. But instead, what I'm going

to tell you is when I'm weak, then I'm strong.

What an unbelievable.

Motto, y'all boast in my weakness? Yep, yeah that's great.

So all right, Well, it's a dangerous prayer to pray

God take this away from me, but it's probably even

more dangerous to say I'm okay with not having it

being removed. So hey, that's our time, so hopefully we

will see you next time on the bibble guys,