BETA09: Facebook Groups Best Practices

Hey, great. We got the beta show here once again with the Church Digital Podcast. Jeff

here, joined once again with Ray DeArmas, digital pastor over at Christ Fellowship Miami.

Ray, thanks for joining us once again. By the way, we've got, if you're noticing, usually

the beta show, it's just Ray and I, and we're talking and vamping about whatever. But for

this one, we decided, hey, let's open it up and let's bring some people on because I'll

just tell you, I don't know a lot about this topic. And so the topic we're talking about

today is, hey, you know what? Facebook groups are a thing. Arguably, I would say it's probably

one of the more effective tools available for creating community in context of church. And

I don't know that we, the church, I don't know that we're using them well. And so I asked

my friend here, Jeanette Yates, who I've had the honor of meeting with once, Tom Pounder,

still haven't met you just saying that publicly. But I asked Jeanette here, hey, I want to have

this conversation about Facebook groups because I don't think we churches are doing it well.

And who do we need to talk to? Who can I talk to that can help us figure out Facebook groups?

And Jeanette, who's over with Text in Church, as the social media manager at Text in Church,

says to me, hey, Jeff, you need to talk to Katie. You need to talk to Julianne. And so

Katie is a professor of marketing over at University of Mobile, and is also a great follow on social

media as well, as she's the founder of Church, the Church Communication Group, and just phenomenal

resources coming out of there, as well as Julianne here, who is with Customer Care and a whole bunch

of other titles and things that she does in context of Church Marketing University. And so we've got three

ladies here in this conversation that know a lot more about Facebook and Facebook groups, social media

marketing. They live in this world. And so I actually, I want to learn something from this conversation

and things to experiment and to kind of try out here in context of how to make our Facebook groups

better, how to make church Facebook groups better. And I know Ray as well. Ray, as we're walking into

this thing, do you, any thoughts here? What are you hoping to learn from this situation?

You know, it's funny, Jeff, about like a year and a half ago, we started our Facebook group for our

church. And I remember Nona Jones was talking about how this was going to be part of the future.

And I really wanted to put emphasis on this, even over our page, because I see the potential for it.

But the hard thing is, is that it's still so new and so fresh that a lot of us don't know what to post

that's different from our page. A lot of us don't know how to get people to interact.

And so that could be a bit of a struggle. And so I'm really looking forward to learning from these

ladies here today, because, you know, especially for what we do at Christ Fellowship, hey, we got a

lot of people watching, but we want that engagement piece to tick up a whole lot too. And I think the

group can definitely help. Awesome. So, hey, we're setting up high praise here. We're looking to learn

something. And so I'm going to put some pressure, by the way, before I put pressure on Jeanette,

I'm always forgetting things. If you've got questions or comments, throw it here in the chat where

you're watching. We're seeing that in the live broadcast and we'll throw it up here through

StreamYard and give access to that. So feel free to comment in and engage with us. But Jeanette,

I stalled enough for you here. We're going to let you start off. Give me something. Practical advice,

best practices, Facebook groups. How do we make this stuff better?

So, first of all, I just want to say there's a lot you can do as a church with Facebook groups. I am

going to share one way to take it. And I think Katie's probably going to go in a completely different

direction, but that's okay. That's why I have her on here. But, you know, with the churches that I've

worked with personally, like I have been on staff with them, they were really wanting to dive into

Facebook groups, but not really knowing how to start. And so if, you know, and churches, there's

all different sizes, all different types. And so what I suggested for these churches, the churches I was

working with is start with the audience that you already have, which for most of the churches I

was working with, basically their Facebook audience was their members. Like there wasn't too much

engagement beyond that. And so I said, okay, so you're still not having a conversation with your

members online. So let's start with people we already know want to talk to us because they come to

church on Sundays and they're, you know, emailing with us and things like that and texting. Let's

start with them. And so there's a couple of different things you can do. I know a couple of churches that

have a Facebook group for their members. And this would be where you would share not the stuff that

you're sharing on your page necessarily, although you might sometimes, but this is more of like that

personal information. Can you pray for this person? Don't forget where we need volunteers for this

thing, or just engaging with them. Like, what did you think about, you know, today's sermon, you know,

things like that, just having a group for all of your members. And then another church I know that does

something really well is they have a really big women's ministry that does a lot of work in the

community. So they've started, they have a really active women's ministry church group, you know,

Facebook group that's for their church. And of course, that way, one of the things that's really

needed there, I mean, they talk about devotion, they share devotionals in there, they go live in there,

they share recipes, they do childcare, discussion of childcare, things like that. But they also are able

to then, you don't necessarily have to be a member of the church to be invited into that group. Because

if women are chitchatting and having fun, you might be like, Oh, you've got to come in this group,

we're having this great conversation this week about this. And that's an easy on ramp for someone

who might not actually be a member of the whole church, but they, you know, have several friends

that are in this group that are talking. So that is what I suggest for someone who's like, we want to get

started, but we just don't know where and we don't, we don't know how to create a group for the whole

community, necessarily, just start with your members and create a place for them to gather

and have conversation. And of course, as we have said many times this year, this is even more important

in these days and times than it was before. But it's been important for a while. And it's even more

important now. That was said so mellow. This is, it's, it's so important. It's, it's like the,

the church lady from Saturday Night Live, totally serious saying that right now. I totally want to

get into why Julianne has a completely different perspective. I will get there in a second. Let

me ask a follow-up. I'm curious. Is, is it better to do like an, I'm starting out, I'm fresh. Is it

better to do like an all member for the entire church that's broad scope? Or is it better to do like

a specific, like a women's ministry or a young adult, like to, to really drill into more of,

of a tighter demographic? If, if I'm starting out, I'm kind of new at this thing. Give me some advice.

How, what does that first group look like?

So I would ask you, or I would ask the church that's asking this question,

who's already engaging with you online on your Facebook page? What demographic is that?

And start that group. Okay. Uh, that's what I did with one of the churches I worked with.

And the demographic was actually the older people of the church. Um, the ones that spend a lot of time

at home online and they were ready to chit chat. I mean, they commented on every Bible verse I posted

every, any, any random thing they were on it. They were the first comment, the first likes.

I knew they were ready to talk. They want to talk. So I made sure that they had a place to talk

from the very beginning. So that would be my suggestion is like, look, who's already wanting

to communicate with you and go, go reach them, create something specifically for them. And I think

it's Katie that I said might have a different.

Oh, I'm sorry. We're completely fine with, with, we're completely fine with Julianne. No issues

with Julianne. Katie, Katie's got a completely different perspective. So I love that.

I mean, I just, I know, I just know that like she has all, you know, there's like lots of ideas in

there as with Julianne, I'm sure. But lots of random ideas. Uh, yeah. So I actually just recently

became a certified community manager through Facebook. So, uh, that's really exciting.

That's a brand new certification. They just launched and I got to be one of the first people

to become one. I think I'm in like the first, I don't know, 100 or 200. There's not more than,

I don't think 200 people certified to do this yet. So that's pretty cool. Um, so I feel like

I've studied a ton about groups recently, like, uh, just an enormous amount. And first I think

I, Jeanette, I completely agree with what Jeanette says. So I don't really have like an opposing

opinion. Right. But she had another, uh, another, you could take things we can do. Like this is

good. I like to call it Jeanette calls like an internal strategy. Right. Um, and an internal

strategy is good. It works. And that's important. Um, it's something I wanted to establish

before I go into an external, like an outreach strategy is, um, there are many different types

of groups. And so I think when you start a group, you'd be overwhelmed by the, uh, options or the

different possibilities. And so I just think it's really important that we talk about maybe the

different options there are. So there is a public group, which is very much like a page. Uh, I don't

really know why you would ever want to use a public group. Uh, uh, you could, when you can do the

page, I, you know, I, there are some reasons. So the public groups can be monetized. Uh, they've

launched brand partnerships and stuff with public groups. I mean, yeah, that's a great reason

right there making money. Um, but, but for a church, a public group doesn't make a lot of

sense because a closed group or what we call now a, um, private hidden group, they used to

be called closed. Uh, it's now called private and then hidden two different options. Um, there's

either public or private hidden or visible. Okay. So a private hidden group, um, actually

a private visible group, excuse me, you want to create a private visible group. So that

means that it's still searchable. You can still find it on Facebook, but you can't see what's

inside of it unless you join. Okay. So that's what the private means. Like you can't really

see what's going on in there. You can see the members that are in there perhaps. Um, but you

really can't see what's going on inside the group unless you join it. Uh, I think that

the reason you want to use a private visible group is the exclusivity of it. Um, it makes

people want to join it other than just look at it like a page. You don't necessarily have

to like it to see what's going on in there. Uh, like a public group, you can see what's

going on in the public group without joining it. So, okay. So we've got a private visible

group. And then, so we've talked about an internal strategy. I think internal strategies

are great. I had several when I was working at mega church, you could create, like we created

one for the choir. So the choir had 200 numbers in it, which is basically a small church in

and of itself. Um, and they would always talk about like, what are we wearing this Sunday?

Or like, what songs are we singing again? You know, that kind of stuff. Um, and then we

also did like repeating. I think it's really important to do, uh, repeating topics when, when

possible, when it makes sense, when there's enough conversation around something to do

something that's repeating. So for us, uh, we found that like, what can we be praying

for you? Um, asking that every single week inside of our internal communities was really

important. And so it really kept, I think that internal community connected with what was

going on in their lives. And, uh, then obviously we could pray for each other. And that was

great. Uh, I think anytime that we can encourage prayer as a primary strategy, that's what we

should do. So, um, okay. So an external strategy is really, uh, how can we reach people who are

outside of our church? And so there are already tons of community groups created in your community,

um, on Facebook and, you know, a community group doesn't necessarily even have to be a Facebook

group. It could be a page. It could be an Instagram account. Um, but there's already all

these groups created or you can create a group. So either way, if you create a group, um, you do

start to start from scratch. I would find 10 friends and basically you're finding these niche

kind of groups or you're finding neighborhood groups. So there's one here in Sarah land. It's

like the voice of Sarah land or some voices of Sarah land. Um, and so you can join that and like

talk about, you know, what's going on in Sarah land. Um, and usually they're full of trash.

So if you can be a light in the darkness neighborhood group, I think that's what you

should do. Like if you can encourage community and like a happy capacity, even if it's just

limited to like, what's your favorite barbecue restaurant in town or something. I think that's

really good because all we're trying to do in these neighborhood groups is create relationship.

It's all I want you to do. I don't want you to like put out Bible orders every single day

into all of these neighborhood groups. Um, because I mean, Jesus didn't go around like

throwing the Bible at people, right? When he, uh, went to the woman at the well, he just

asked her, you know, about her life and what she needed. And so I think that we need to just

go into these, uh, community groups and maybe you create like a hiking group and every week

you go hiking and you take pictures of your hike and maybe eventually you can invite people

to go on hikes with you. Um, and it's important that we create relationships because obviously

I think we're all in these Christian bubbles, right? I think everybody's like in a big church

bubble. Um, where like, I don't know how I'm supposed to meet other people who aren't Christians.

Right. I get that question a lot. Like how do I meet people who aren't Christian? Um, well,

you have to do things outside of your Christian bubble. Walk outside and go next door or across

the street to your neighbor. Go to your next door neighbor. I don't know. Like there are people

who are far, far from God. I think that we just like maybe, especially in the South,

like we assume that everybody knows Jesus and everybody goes to church. Um, and maybe they

kind of do. I think they're all culturally Christian. Like they all think that they're

Christian. Um, so, you know, finding these opportunities where we can create real relationships

because we can't create relationships. We can't have life change. Life change happens in

the context of relationship. So how can I create more meaningful relationships is always my like

end goal. Right. And I think as a church planter, that's your end goal too, right? Like you just

want to create these relationships that are very meaningful so that people will eventually

ask you about your life because obviously it is different and then they will want to come

to church. Um, and so it's, uh, enjoying your church members, Facebook group, but that will

be, yeah, that'll be the end goal. Right. I want that group, but I'm in the group that they're

already in. Right. Got to meet them where they're at. That's really cool. Okay. So you're telling us

that Christians should kind of take charge in like subcultures that they're already part of

outside of Christianity and saying, Hey, we want to be involved in these spaces as a way to reach

other people. Cause when we were going to talk about groups, I was thinking of it mostly as the

internal strategy part. And you're saying, Hey, Christians have a huge opportunity here to reach out to

people. Yeah. 100%. It's a very old evangelism strategy. I'm not only teaching some like brand

new, like new angelism strategy. I think people think like, ah, that sounds so innovative and wild.

And I'm like, no, it's just like what the church used to do. Like with a basketball league,

you know, or whatever, except for they put their name on it. I don't want you to put your name on

anything. We got so caught up in taking credit for everything that we forgot. Like this was an outreach,

right? You're telling me I can't start like a Royal Ambassadors, uh, Avengers, Marvel group or

something along those lines. Like I shouldn't do that. Actually, if you started an RA like group,

I wouldn't hundred percent because like, okay, my brother was an RA. He's a Royal Ambassador. So

this is very Southern Baptist. I was going to say my line. You're like, you know, I know what

Royal Ambassadors are. Yeah. It's a title. I know. I know. Ambassador, I will do my best to be a

well-informed responsible follower of Christ. Do you have concern for all right now? Do you know

any of this? I know none of it. This is all news. Awana, Awana Julian, is Awana maybe more familiar

with you? Yes. I wasn't in Awana, but yes. Okay. All right. Well, go on, Katie. Go on.

Oh yeah. No. Uh, so yeah, the RA, so, uh, it's funny, you know, RAs and GAs, I was actually super

into Girls in Action. So there's RAs and GAs. Girls in Action was the girls version. My brother

was in the RA Basketball League. Um, so yes, I am very familiar, um, with this. And so, yeah. So,

uh, anyway, you should just create, like, you should just go into groups that you're already in

and, like, figure out how you can, uh, reach out to people. Well, and this brings up a good point.

I'm sorry, Jeff. I know. I need to shut up. I'm sorry. Y'all talk. I told you it's going to get

crazy. Y'all go. But this is on point. I'm staying on topic. But I think this is something that we

really, we really need to be teaching our people members. Yeah. 100%. Because we talk about

discipleship all the time as churches. Yeah. But we do not do a good job of connecting that to

their online presence. Right. And I think that that is something, maybe that's the first Facebook

group you create is like, you know, what it really means to be a, you know, a Christ follower

in real life and online. Like, how does this translate to, you know, we all know the things

that we should, you know, how to let, you know, we, we've taken the, we've done the book studies,

we've done the Bible studies on, you know, how to be a disciple of Jesus in the world, but we don't

always translate that to our online presence. And I think that is something that is so important.

And as part of this conversation, like Katie says, this does not have to be about Bible verses and

gifts that are not helpful. And sometimes don't mean what you think they mean. This, this is,

this is about real connection and real conversation with people where they already are, where we're all

entrenched in 37 Facebook groups about all the things that we love. And there's no reason we can't

connect with people and bring them alongside us and walk alongside them. Yeah. Yeah. And I love that

because I think a lot of times when churches talk about like your online activity, if it's like in a

sermon or whatever, it's always like, you need to unplug or you need to be kind to people. And yes,

like those things are both important, but if we can catch a vision for like, this is actually a place

to do ministry. It is going to be so much more effective. And, you know, I mean, I think we've

probably all been in places where people are like, you need to go where the people are. Well, like,

I'm not the kind of person, you know, just going to say like, I'm a young single woman. I'm not going

to go to a bar and try and start strike up a conversation with someone to tell them about Jesus. I'm not

going to do it, but I can join a Facebook group. You know, that is wise. That is helpful. And then

I can, you know, make relationships that way in a way that is safe. Probably not the way that people

will expect it this direction to go. Sorry. Every time. And I'm so sorry. Yeah. So I actually did have

a woman do that. Actually, Julian, I got a great like comment from somebody in a different group

altogether, not even to mine. Um, and she was like, Katie, I heard about like your idea or whatever.

And I actually joined our neighborhood group and they go on a walk every week or something. This

was before Corona. Um, and she was like, they go on a walk every week. And so I went on the walk

with them and I'm very introverted. And I, you know, I was kind of nervous about it. And she was

like, I went on the walk with them. We had a great time. Somebody sent me home with some homemade

pickles. I got to call my dog. She was like, I think this is the best gospel like conversation and

like possibility that I've had in years. Right. And I was like, yeah, exactly. It's so easy.

Right. Like, I don't know. Just normal human to just show up to things. I don't know. Um,

and just like, and you can do that completely online to begin with. Like, so there's really

no intimidation factor. It's just like being apart and like taking, uh, I don't know, action

to like actually reach them. And you can create an intentional strategy to do that. You don't

have to like, you can do it like a little bit by a little bit before like, you know,

everybody even realizes you're sneaking into all their lives and becoming like really well

known in the community. Um, and so, I mean, that's kind of what I had with church communications,

right? Like I didn't, nobody knew who I was like before 2015. I just snuck in there. Um,

but yeah, I don't know. It's just a great, it's just a different, I think God's really giving me

a heart for that. And I just, I just, we, we just should figure it out anyway. Sorry. I'm stumbling

now. I love this. And for the record, Ray, I want to say that we made it 17 minutes into the beta

show without saying the word discipleship. And then it came up. We, we, we do this. Like

we talk online discipleship, digital discipleship all the time. Like, and it feels like that's like

the, the constant theme through the podcast and the other things that we do. And so kind of, kind of

honest, I'm just going to share a little bit of this idea. It's like, Hey, let's talk about some

other stuff. Let's try to move away from some of the philosophical discipleship. Talk about more

practical things. Hey, Jeff, let's, let's get, you know, more detailed stuff. And so,

hey, let's bring some people together, some women, let's talk about Facebook groups.

What can be more practical than Facebook groups? And even in Facebook groups, we end up talking

about discipleship. And, and, and I'll just tell you, Katie, that, that outward facing strategy,

I talk to digital church planters. I talk digital, Hey guys, let's, let's get involved in,

in the community Facebook groups, meet people through there. I can tell you churches that have

launched when the planner's in another state and he's built his core team off of

Facebook groups in the city that he wants to launch his church into phenomenal strategy.

We talk about it all the time. Never once have I thought, Hey, church needs to launch an

unbranded Facebook group community on a topic and, and, and start the conversations there.

Um, be invite people into the, into that community, completely different approach, honestly, than

anything that I've, I've ever thought on that. So thank you towards that. That that's awesome.

Uh, I got, I got time for one more. Um, somebody, somebody give me, go for it. Julianne, you're up.

I got one super practical tip and it's just this. When you start a church Facebook group, the first

thing is you need one person or some people who own that Facebook group, preferably not the pastor,

but if it has to like somebody who owns a Facebook group. And the other thing is this goes with it.

Turn on post approval because things can get crazy if you don't. And so you have your person or people

who are in charge, have them check it every day or five days a week or whatever. Um, and make sure

that you are attending to that community and that those people are, you know, fostering the community,

starting conversations, responding to people's questions, but you definitely want to have

somebody that's in charge so that we're not just like approving posts once, once a week, you know,

when people no longer have their questions or prayer requests or whatever. Um, and that there's

actual dialogue happening. And I think it goes back to what Jeanette said earlier about like,

figure out who your top fans are, your people who are already online and already want that conversation,

try to draw them in. If they need training, that's fine. Um, but you know, if they can take that on

and kind of help you get the group going and get some momentum, that is key. And that goes for the

branded or the unbranded, like that's something that will work either way. So love it. Let me,

let me ask you on it. That, that was a very good, uh, tip there. So I'm, I'm a pastor. Um, maybe,

maybe I, I feel like I need to overly control this. Um, at what point do I let it go even out of a

staff member, let it go to a volunteer? What, what, what, at what point should I, could I, or do I need

to be involved in it every step of the way? Coach me through here, that owning person, is it a staff

person? Is it a volunteer? What's that transition look like? To quote, just let it go. Yeah. I was

going to say as the, as the pastor, do you control all the conversations that happen in your Sunday

school classes? Ooh, like, do you, because that's what this is. It's, it's something that's a little

more permanent and maybe visible, but that's what this is, is it's the conversations that would happen

in your Sunday school classes or around the potluck or whatever. So after church lunch, right? Yeah,

exactly. You don't even know where those people are going, right? Like they, they could be saying

whatever. So as a pastor, you don't necessarily have to have control over the conversations that

are happening. Now, there could be specific instances where you want a pastor in charge.

For example, if this Facebook group, if you're following the Nona Jones model, where your Facebook

group is your digital campus, you probably want a pastor in charge of that. But if it's just a place

to connect with people in the community, put people obviously who are wise and whose discernment you

trust in there. But at the end of the day, you don't have to control the conversations. You should be able

to participate in them and be available if the people in charge of that have concerns, which will

probably not happen as often as you think it's going to. But otherwise, like, just think about it as

like, you can't be in every Sunday school room at once. You don't have to be in the Facebook group and

seeing all those conversations at once either. So. Well said. I'm totally going to use the Sunday

school line on a regular basis. Now, I'll give you credit for at least the first two and then I'm

probably just going to end up stealing. Perfect. Perfect. At least this is a public record that

Julianne came up with that. Who'd you borrow it from? No, I'm kidding. Hey, this has been a great

time. I've loved it. I've learned a lot. I know from now on that if I'm going to invite three ladies

on a show, I'm just going to leave my mic muted and let you all run because this has been definite.

Somebody just tweeted this. I'll throw it in Facebook tweet. Sorry. Definitely go where people

are. And I think that's really one of the takeaways. Love this idea of external. Love the focus of

internal. Releasing and empowering others that understand the Facebook culture to run with. It's

good stuff. Hey, Ray, any closing thoughts here as we're landing the plane?

Yeah. I loved all the points brought up and especially Julianne, what you talked about with

having the right moderator in place, especially coming out of a very contested election season,

a lot of difficulties where a lot of people want to get very vocal in church or just about different

perspectives that are going on, especially in an era of misinformation where stuff's being spread.

It's important to have somebody who's a moderator and to make sure and confirm with that moderator

what is and what is not allowed. Be very, very clear and flag stuff as soon as you see it and make

sure and kind of walk them through that because it can be very hard. Everybody especially can have

like a different filter on that kind of thing. So make sure you're taking care on that end.

Yeah.

Julianne, were you going to make sure?

I was going to say for sure, like one of the things that we do at work, and I think that this is

actually a good thing for churches too, because we're very intentional at CMU about like developing

community. And so sometimes I'm like, you know, the head and I have other moderators that help me and

we all know like this is a drama free zone. So someone says something that, you know, we have

people of all kinds of theological persuasions in there as far as like they're all Christians, but

Calvinists, Armenians, whatever. If someone says something that could be considered insulting

to another belief, we just decline it and we say, hey, I'm really sorry, but we know that this

conversation is going to go out of control. So we're not going to. So if you just say like,

hey, this is a no drama zone. It's a, it's a place for us to love each other because we are

brothers and sisters in Christ. That works better for your church groups, but you can still be polite

about it. And like another one is like, hey, this isn't for debate. This is for discussing whatever.

So that's right. And, and even on top of that, like things that we've had to deal with in our

groups is folks even trying to like spam us with other internet pastors or, you know, churches or

different things. And so that's where you have to be very clear on what the group is about. And that's

where those group rules are super important at the beginning. And that's where a lot of that

beginning of the group can be very, very crucial.

Yeah. Well, well, well said there. Hey, so, so we're going to land the plane. By the way,

I, I feel like we need to do this more often. Like Ray, I think we need to get like these ladies

together. By the way, if you're not doing the three of you should consider doing like a podcast,

the video stream, something separately. Like it's, it's hilarious. It's fun. It's entertaining.

But we, we need to come up. Like, I want you to become like the, the, the, my communications go

to people. Like I need some more communications love in my life. So we're, we'll have to do this

again. If y'all are willing, of course, let's do this because I'm sorry. What?

You just went to marry Martha to communicate resurrection. So I'm just saying like, clearly.

Okay. I was going to say Katie has a podcast. I mean,

Yeah.

Well, that's actually where I wanted to go because you're great followers. So, so tell the audience

here a little bit here, uh, like how we can find you on online. Jeanette, why don't, why don't

you go first? Where, where can people find you and track, you know, what, what you're doing online?

Okay. So Twitter is my jam. Uh, I do love some Twitter. So feel free to hop over there and follow

me at Jane Iates. I also on Instagram am starting to talk about really what it means to, to be

purposeful with your social media, um, profiles. Um, and I'm not necessarily sharing like, you know,

how to be a good Christian, you know, but just talking about like how to be a person,

like be a real person. And so I'm doing a lot of that on Instagram, which is another place

that you can check, uh, check out that content. Um, giving social media tips just for average

people. Like, you know, think about these things before you post things like that today. I did

one that was like, Hey, remember behind every profile is a person be kind. Um, so I'm also

at Jane Iates over there. Um, so anyway, those are my two. I love that Katie next up. So obviously

podcast, number of things talk, talk about the church communications group. How can people

find all the resources that you're providing online? Yeah, you can go to churchcommunications.com

and find pretty much everything churchcommunications.com slash group. If you're enjoying the group,

uh, we'd love to have you. We have about, I don't know, almost 28,000 church communicators

in there and, uh, just having the ball. Uh, you can also go to katieallred.com. Uh, we've

got an Instagram book out, Instagram posts that worked, uh, just examples across the country.

If you would like to see just some more stuff, uh, about communications, these are actual practical

examples from communicators, just like you. And so, uh, I would love to let you see a copy

of this on Amazon. Uh, you can go to churchcommunications.com slash Insta book. If you would like to pick

up a copy of that. Awesome. Like, like I said, one, one of, one of the great resources for churches

in the communications realm, right over there at churchcommunications.com. Julianne, church

marketing university, nothing to sneeze at either. Tell me a little bit about what you're doing

and how people can follow what's going on there. Yeah. So, um, I, and the, I was joking

earlier on the CCCO, no one knows what that stands for, but I help the team over at CMU with

social and customers and whatever, probably the best place to connect with me and kind

of see what we're practicing in action is, um, the church marketer space group. It's different

than Katie's group. It's smaller. Um, but you can kind of, that's a great place to connect

with me. I spend 90% of my money. I said it's smaller, but mighty.

Well, thank you.

That's, that's awesome. Well, well said. Well, ladies, thank you very much for joining us for,

uh, for, for the stream here, here at the beta show, uh, questions. If you've got them in the

audience, feel free to throw them in. We'll be engaging with the comments later on. If you've

got questions for the church digital to cover here on the beta show, text us at 484-324-8724.

484-324-8724. I've got a lower third in there somewhere and I forgot to click it. It's been

that kind of week. Hey, so for everybody that's on the screen right now, Ray, Jeanette, Katie,

uh, Julianne, my name is Jeff with the church digital and Stadia church planting. Thanks for

joining us today and we'll see you next time here at the beta show. Spider-Man really? All right.

Y'all have a good day. Bye.