BETA39: Digital Discipleship - AFFINITY is the new VICINITY

All right. Hey, welcome to The Beta Show. It's episode 39. Well, once again, I'm Jeff

with The Church Digital Podcast. All of this is powered by Stadia Church Planting. We're

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me right now because I get notifications, I mean, literally popping up and it's a little

weird on my phone. I got to figure that out. Hey, here with Beta 39, here's what we're doing.

We're talking digital discipleship. Affinity is the new vicinity. I stole that quote from

someone. We'll give credit in a little bit, but we're going to be talking about some digital

discipleship stuff here with the Beta Show here at 39. If you are listening to this on demand,

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we're going to talk about digital discipleship in context of affinity being the next vicinity.

And this is an interesting phrase. This actually came from Dan Hickling,

who's pastor at Calvary, digital pastor at Calvary Chapel,

Fort Lauderdale. And he's actually the brainchild of this. So I want to give him credit up front. I was

hanging out with him at Nashville, I don't know, a couple of weeks ago or last, last week. Time flies,

man. We're hanging out last week in Nashville and he dropped that line. And I was like, wait,

who just said that? I want to write that down. And there's rules when you, when you speak and when

you hear some, what somebody else has said and you use it. So here's the rules, Dan. The first time that

I use your quote publicly, I'm going to give you credit. The second time I'm going to say it's been

said, or I've heard someone say, and I'm going to pretend like I don't remember, even though Dan,

I know that it was you. And then the third time that I use that line, I'm going to steal it as my

own. So publicly, Dan affinity is, is the next vicinity. I'm giving you credit for that right now.

Next time, third time, you just, you know, the routine, you know what to expect now.

And that'll be good. The reality is, is here in 2021, because of COVID, because of technology,

because of everything, community lines are being redrawn. In this season, we, the church,

we community, not even about the church, we're redefining what community means in real time.

Now, look, we can go Matthew 28. We can go biblical here. Love your neighbor as yourself

has always meant more than the person that is physically living next door to you. Like, I mean,

that's a, that's a fallacy. Jesus is not literally saying love the person who lives on the other side

of you and the guy across the street and the guy that's behind the fence and the guy that's on this

side, because when he speaks and when he says this, it's, it's more, it's bigger. What, so I'm not

supposed to love the guy that's two doors down from me or, or three doors or five doors or, or in,

in another city, you know, Dan talking about him just earlier, he was the digital pastor at Calvary

Chapel, Fort Lauderdale. I'm in Miami. That's a city away. Hey, Dan, we're not neighbors because

you live in another city. Ironically, Dan actually does his job, not from Fort Lauderdale. He lives in

Nashville. And so Dan, even though you're in another state, even though you're in another time zone,

I'm sorry, bud, we're not, we're not neighbors. God calls us to love our neighbors as ourself,

and you are not in close enough vicinity for me to love you. So you, sir, are on your own. That is a

heart, that doesn't make any sense. Like if we really get down to it, the idea that our neighbors

are defined by the exact proximity, the closeness, or even that we, our churches, are only trying to

reach and disciple people that are within physical vicinity of us, that that's an old idea. And really

what it comes down to is we've got a physical mindset here when we're defining what a neighbor

is. And we've got a digital idea when we're trying to define what a neighbor is. And so we need to

wrestle with that. We need to work through this idea of physical and digital mindsets. Now, physical,

yeah, it's the guy next door. Maybe it's the cop that lives two doors that way for me,

or the person over here behind the fence who really, really likes cats, whatever it is for you,

you do have those physical neighbors and you are to love them, but it doesn't stop there.

Because there's a digital idea here. And there's probably some other cultural ramifications of

this that need to be unpacked. Would love to have that conversation. But what would it look like

if we loved our digital neighbors with that as well? If affinity is the new vicinity, we must, number one,

we must see that social media, that digital, is a mission field for us to engage in, for us to get

out of our echo chamber. Now, so much, let's talk about the echo chamber. So much of echo chamber is

surrounded around us being connected with people just like us. So great. Hey, you want to own a,

or you want to sign up for a Facebook group for, you know, I'm a Marvel cinematic guy in case you

haven't like seen any of the bobbleheads behind me. So, you know, maybe you're in a club, a Facebook

group where they're talking about Marvel cinematic things or, or why the new Spider-Man trailer has yet

to come out yet. And, and like Spider-Man fanboys are freaking out or why star Wars hasn't gotten a

movie right since episode five, or, you know, maybe it's for you, it's a Lego and I'm just being stupid

because like kid stuff, Lego thing, or I bought a grill recently and, and that company has its own

club. Or maybe you're in a, in a, in a Facebook group that talks about digital church, or, I mean,

we can just keep going on and on about these affinity, these things that, that we connect with.

And what's interesting is, is for me, I connected a lot of those groups and I've got friends in those

groups. I've got friends within physical proximity that I also connect with, not because I'm physical

proximity to them, but because I have an affinity, a relationship with them because they're, they're

similar. Now I can connect with, and I can build relationships with those affinities, but when I

start to judge them or criticize them because of different political feelings or different masks,

feelings or, or different opinions like that and not recognize them as a human being, this is when we

start to get into this idea of echo chamber, where we're just trying to surround ourselves with people

who are just like us. And at what point do we start shoving away people who need Jesus? Because, well,

they're, they're not a Christian, so I don't, I don't want to be affiliated with them. I don't want to

talk with them. We are to be an island. I've had a pastor tell me that once, and honestly, I died a little

bit inside, because we Christians are not to be an island, especially in digital context. We're not to, to fight.

Digital is a mission field, and we've got to stop with the echo chamber and recognize that digital has a lot more

influence if we stop surrounding ourselves with people who are just like us, politically, emotionally, spiritually, and we start

recognizing the need to do ministry digital. Affinity is the new vicinity. Number two here:

affinity is the new vicinity. We must relate to people who are similar to us, yet different. This is the key.

We need to recognize the ministry potential to engage in dialogue with people who are different to us,

yet similar. Let's listen. Let's have those conversations. What, what does it mean to be, uh, how do you view an agnostic,

sir? Like, what do you, what is your view of Christ, and how do you reconcile some of these things? Don't start from a

platform of shoving down, but listen through those conversations, and maybe there's an opportunity even

to dialogue. Through that listening and through that relationship, all of a sudden you see more coming in

place where you now have an opportunity to engage in their life at a deeper level, because you didn't start

by preaching at them. The first thing you did was listen. Number three here: if affinity is the new

vicinity, we must recognize that discipleship and disciple making can happen outside of the building. The fact that we are

still having this conversation in 2021 blows my mind. The fact that there are churches that are still putting

all their energy into getting back into the building, that's great, that's awesome. Can we learn a lesson

here about digital discipleship? Can we notice here that digital is powerful when it comes towards equipping

and engaging with people? And so, if we could get our attenders that have no spiritual purpose outside of the building

that are struggling when it comes to getting activated and being on mission with God, if we can include

them digitally through digital methods, if we can disciple them so that they can in turn disciple others in

physical and/or digital space, the world, the church, people's views of God would look very different,

but instead we're huddled up in these buildings with these temples, with these, I forget, I'm trying to

say silo, what's the pointy thing on the top? Silo is not steeple, thank you very much, with the steeples,

and when that's not, that's not where we should be looking. Pastor, don't be upset your people have no purpose

or they're not in your building, be upset that they have no purpose when they're not in your building, let's get them activated outside of that.

If affinity is the new vicinity, the number four, we must be okay with seeds falling in thorny bush and rocky soil.

Now look, it's hard discipling digitally, it's hard being on mission in social media.

A couple weeks ago I got trolled, and it was like, hey, you know what, my knee-jerk response, and I stepped away from the keyboard.

My knee-jerk response was, I want to roast this guy, I'm ticked, I'm angry, how dare he?

But the step back was to realize, hey, the troll needs Jesus too.

And so how we handle and how we work with these things, now look, you can cast seeds out there, you can connect with people, you can pray for people,

and their response could be screw you, or worse.

Their response could be, you know, talk to the hand if you want to go back a decade.

Their response could be something that isn't pleasant for you.

And at the end of the day, if that's the case, it's all right.

It's okay if it happens in that experience, in that moment, because God's going to use it.

Which is the funny thing about why we're so against physical, or so against digital, and wanting to only do physical.

Because if we believe that in anything we can do, God can use us for the kingdom, then why aren't we more aggressive in taking advantage of every opportunity possible,

instead just trying to limit on a couple maybe tested over time methods that honestly haven't been very effective in the past couple decades?

Why not experiment with digital? Why not take advantage of the technology that's placed?

Why not look at affinity being that new vicinity?

We really have got no reason, no excuse, not to go down this road.

Number five here, if affinity is the new vicinity, we must remember that affinity does not replace vicinity.

Oh, Jeff, you sound like a hypocrite here, Jeff, you're working both sides of the coin.

Yes, yes, I am.

Because it's digital, it's physical and digital.

We do find ways for it to work together.

Now there are communities that do work in digital only space.

And I can have those conversations.

And in 2021, the bleeding edge is that digital only type of person.

And they are out there and they are effective, but they're the majority of people need both.

The majority of the people are going to recognize that they are living in physical and digital hemispheres.

They operate in both worlds.

And so we church, we should be taking advantage of the physical and the digital.

Give it 20 years as more and more digital natives come in where it's not logging on to the Internet.

That's always just been on.

And all of a sudden, I think you're going to see culture change maybe sooner than we realize.

But for today, it's operating in physical and digital.

Jesus spoke of loving your neighbor as yourself.

And that relates to the cat guy.

That relates to the cop two doors down.

That relates to the new neighbor that just moved next door from me.

And that relates to the person that I engage with on social media who needs Jesus.

That relates to my college roommate who's in four states away from me and is going through a hard time.

That relates to the person from insert story here.

There's an opportunity to engage, to dialogue, to utilize digital.

And that is the win for us.

Not just physical.

Digital.

Figital.

Figure out how to make them work together.

Crazy idea?

Of course it's a crazy idea.

Is this the first time you've listened to the beta show?

All we do is we talk crazy here.

But that doesn't mean that I'm wrong.

There's an opportunity here for you to revolutionize your church's disciple making process.

Is it guaranteed?

No.

Is it probably a step forward from where you are right now?

Yeah.

Why not give it a shot?

Why not experiment?

Why not try with some of these things?

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And hey, we're going to wrap.

It's funny.

My screen has been very glitchy.

And so hopefully this is broadcast clean.

If not, we're going to figure it out.

But hey, technology.

Try something new and sometimes it glitches.

So for Stadia, for The Church Digital, I'm Jeff.

It's been great to have you here.

We've got some cool stuff coming up here very soon with The Church Digital.

I don't want to let the cat out of the bag.

I hate cats.

I'm actually very allergic to cats.

But stay tuned.

There's going to be some real cool stuff coming up here in the next little bit.

Hey, thanks for being here.

We'll see you next time here at The Beta Show.

Y'all have a good one.