EP258: Jate the Gaming Digital Missionary

Welcome to the Church Digital Podcast. Through this podcast, we'll talk about the technological

innovations within the church. But more than tech for tech itself, we'll address deeper

questions. Is disciple making possible digitally? How should we approach the digital mission field?

Can a biblically grounded church operate in digital space? Oh, and where does the metaverse

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disciple making that will revolutionize your church. And now, here's your host, Jeff Reed.

All right. Hey, welcome to Twitch. Welcome to the Church Digital Podcast. Welcome to wherever we are

today. Hey, my name is Jeff Reed. I'm founder of the Church Digital, Digital Church Network.

And we're streaming live on Twitch right now. We're doing season four here of Jesus Gamers and Church

digging. Excuse me. I think that's, yeah. Jesus Gamers and... Listen, no matter how many times I say

that, I will always screw up the order of those three words. I'm pretty sure it's Jesus Gamers and

Church, but it could be Jesus Church and Gamers. Pretty sure we said Jesus that's first. And if this

wasn't live, I would totally be like, hey, let's just start this whole thing all over again. But it's

live. So, listen, we're just going to have to roll with it and make it all work. And so, I am not a

gamer. I've confessed that many times here in season four. It's been a couple decades since I was

relevant with N64's GoldenEye. But I am loving talking with gamers, talking with nerds, talking

with esports people, and even digging into this episode, this interview today, trying to learn more

about gaming culture. And so, we are streaming these interviews live on Twitch, where I am right now.

And so, if you're listening on the podcast, feel free to swing over Thursdays at 3 p.m. Eastern

to twitch.tv slash digitalchurchnetwork. And so, we had, I don't know, 20-some last week. And we've

got some people in the chat right now. Flatcap, JateLive, DCN is in here with us, St. Bear. Some

others will probably be popping. Chino Mage is here as well. Probably some others will be popping

in and out. But excited. Excited to get into this conversation right now. And so, let's go ahead and

bring the others in. Mysterious magician behind the screen. Whoever's running the video switcher,

let's bring him in. Awesome. How's everybody doing today? So, in this week's episode, we're going to

dig in with JateLive. We're going to be talking with Jate Earhart about maybe some of how he uses

Twitch and Discord and what's going on with Jate. Jate's probably the first person that I ever

interviewed that was utilizing Twitch for ministry. And I apologize because Mark is on this interview

as well. Mark, I'm not even going to waste my time trying to say his last name wrong. We're rocking

that and moving on. But Mark was probably close in there, but I think Jate was early on. Now, listen,

before we get into the interview. Now, realize for me, I'm not big into Twitch culture. And a lot of

people listening to the podcast, we're not big Twitchers, if that's how we say this.

What is up with all the emojis? Like the excessive use of emojis on screen and how you can't just type

it once. You have to put like three, four, five of them on. Like, I don't understand. You know,

I don't want to be like, once again, the grandpa get off my lawn, but you know, Mark, can you give

me some insight? Jate, can you give me some insight? Twitch culture, all these emojis. What the crap?

Jate's much better at explaining things like this, but I do want to say hi to our Lux Digital Church

family because I am accidentally multi-streaming on both the DCN channel and the Lux Digital Church

channel, which I didn't mean to do. And I also don't know which is which, so I can't end it in fear

that I'll end the wrong one. It's like the, the blue or the red wire right now. And I'm not sure

which one to cut to diffuse the bomb. So we're just going to let it run and hopefully Twitch doesn't

explode. So what you're saying, telling me is I just said what the crap to your entire church audience.

Yeah, that's fine. Everything that we're saying is also being told to Lux Digital Church and we

didn't mean to go live there. So if you're tuning in from Lux, we love you so much. Thank you for being

here for the Digital Church Network podcast. I guess it's the church digital podcast, but you know what?

You get more of Jate in your life by coming to our stream right now, which is a beautiful thing.

Well, hey, maybe we need to get somebody else to run tech or maybe we just doubled our audience,

which is awesome as well. Either way, it's a win. So I love it. Jate emojis. What the crap?

Yeah, I feel like I found my people because I like emojis and I use them all the time.

Like before I was using Twitch. And then I got on Discord and it's the same thing. Just like

emotes everywhere. I actually remember reading something that kind of like...

I don't know. It was one of those posts where like a female influencer was like,

Oh, like guys who use emotes. That's like a huge turnoff for me.

And then I just kind of like shriveled up because I was like, I use emotes. Like I like to express

myself through smiley faces. And then I came on Twitch and it's just walls of emotes. But

I don't know. I think it's kind of like Pokemon cards, you know, where sometimes even though

everybody has Pikachu, it's still fun to see. But then every once in a while, somebody has like a rare

emote. And you're like, Whoa, what's that emote? Like, where'd you get that one from? And then you can

kind of like, go down the wire and see, you know, you find other people. There's lots of streamers I

found because I saw their emotes. And I was like, that's a cool emote that probably is a cool person.

And then I'm either right or wrong.

So it's not like your iPhone where you're given hundreds of emotes, emojis. Like you have the

ability to earn them. There's it's gamification a little bit.

So when you subscribe to somebody, you get their emotes and you can use them anywhere on Twitch.

So that's where, why twisted shot right now is doing the, doing the flat cap because, because

twisted shot TV is following flat cap. And so he gets that. Okay.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And he's doing, I can see right now that's Deustin, Deustin dancing right now.

So, okay. Yeah. So like Jate, are all your emotes, are they all cat related?

Not all of them. Some of them are my cat Phoenix. Yes. Some of them are also, uh, are, are created

mascot, uh, Jate Fox. Yeah. It just depends.

Is a fox not a cat? Well, we've got a very different species. This is a weird species

question there. Uh, not a cat. Foxes are dogs running on cat software. Oh my gosh. What is

happening by that? That's where we are for this interview. Thank you very much. Ladies and gentlemen,

thanks for joining us today. Have a great week. Hey, listen, I actually, I love the fact that,

that both of you guys are on this, this, this interview, this call together. Um, because I love

the, I love the fact that you use both of you, Mark, uh, through Lux digital church, Jate through,

are you branding Jate live now? Is there, is it still love clan? Like I've kind of seen you do both.

Okay. So like you, you do these, these different things utilizing the same tool sets, but to be

honest, your ministries could not be more different. Like just a guy looking at the

outside. Mark is, is doing a, a very close to a traditional model of church reinterpreted

in a new way. He's doing, uh, you know, Mark, I've heard you say, actually, it kind of leans

more towards student ministry type stuff. If you're comfortable with student ministry,

you may be comfortable in some of the, this, the spaces they're doing. Whereas some of the

stuff that Jate's doing, it seems to me it's like completely different than, than what the,

the typical church environment, uh, would be. So, Hey, Jate, maybe, you know, some people,

especially with the podcast, they may not know who you are. Um, man, take a, take a minute or two,

introduce yourself, talk a little bit about who you are and, and what your ministry actually looks

like in this space. Um, yeah, I, I would say, I would say, I read everything there. Yeah. I would say

they could be different. Um, I, there's lots of industries that are definitely further that are

definitely further apart, but I would say there's, um, there is, there are obviously differences.

And I think that's good because that means we, we reach different, different people. Um,

and there's a lot of people to reach. So yeah, my, for the most part, I would, um,

I kind of just stream just in it, just like maybe like a normal, what, what a normal streamer

would be. I play video games most of the, um, like most days and just get to know people.

Um, the majority for me, in my mind, my goal is to have authentic relationships with people

over the internet. And by doing that, hopefully have the opportunity to, um,

to be able to spread the love of Jesus. You know, I, I hope that I'll be able to actually

speak truth into people's lives. Um, but I, a lot of times people are used to

shouting at them from across the street or from a pulpit and saying, come to me, come to my thing,

come listen to what I'm saying. And, um, you know, I try to, uh, spend as much time as I can just

listening and like hearing what other people are saying and, and just responding to that. Um,

it's, it's, it's a lot more, uh, communication like back and forth with chat and less of just

me talking. Um, so that's what I like. I like that. I'm having a hard time not just reading

chat right now. It's normally what I'm doing. So now you've, you've, you've told me in the past,

like at one point you said your goal was to reach, uh, to disciple a million video gamers. And it,

that's been, been a year or two since, since you, you've said that we've had a couple of

conversations since then. What's, um, where are you in, in that path and that journey? Is, is it

working? Do you still have that same, uh, vision? Like what's, what's your, what's your ministry

looking like? Yeah. So that was kind of, that's like, not that I would reach a million disciples,

but that like, there would be a million, um, discipled gamers who were discipling others.

And that would never happen through me. Like, there's no way that I by myself could ever do that.

And that was never the, like, that would never be the goal. And, um, but that was my prayer,

you know, is that we have a, a gaming, especially in the gaming world, which is where I, I mostly

gravitate towards to see that there's such a big disconnect that there's a lot of people that are

Christians who are like, I don't feel like I can talk about that with my gaming friends. Um,

I feel like that's a huge, that's it. That's a problem. That's a, that shows that there's a

disconnect between the two things that are, are the loves for me. And so, um, I just wanted to see,

I wanted to see that be more normative, you know? And so I think, um, yes, for sure. That is,

it is moving forward. I can't give like numbers on that. And I think that's good. Um, because it's

not, I could give my numbers, but, um, you know, they're one of the, the joys of, especially this

year, um, this year, especially is that I've seen so many other streamers, other people doing

similar things to me. Um, some that I've been able to help grow into like doing and flourishing and,

and whatever, and others that I, uh, didn't know that I just found through the internet that are

like, Oh, now they're, they're doing similar stuff and I can, um, I can come alongside them and help

them with the, you know, get over the, the first year of hurdles that I didn't need to have to get

over. There's some stuff you will have to do, but some things you could just, you know, learn

yourself out of, uh, a ditch basically. But yeah, there's, there's been a lot of that. Um,

and I, I, I think the, um, specifically about discipleship is that the place where I evangelize

is the same place I disciple. Uh, and I think that's really huge. There's not a lot of places

maybe for that, or maybe just there is, and I'm, I'm just thinking in my context, but because I get to

talk to people at the same time that I'm trying to, the people I'm trying to reach, um, if somebody

wants discipleship, they can come alongside and see how I'm doing it. And they're learning to

find and follow Jesus at the same time that I'm helping other people find and follow Jesus.

And that shows them a path forward for how they can then do that for other people.

And, um, that's to me, very similar to the Jesus model. And we've kind of talked about that before,

but I'm just more and more seeing how that's really how things are is it's like, come alongside me as I

help other people, you know, go forward. And then you go off and do your own thing. I don't need to be

in control of like whatever you're doing. And, uh, the send, it's not like send and release,

but like send and keep contact, which is very, again, very, it all just sounds very biblical.

And so, um, I've really been, I don't know, just like very, very aware of, um, how much this feels

like even very like the beginning of acts. Um, just as I'm seeing other people come alongside

and move and grow up and start churches in different areas. And, um, I'm just happy to be a part of it.

You know, it feels like, uh, yeah. Well, St. Bear in chat, uh, I love Jade's stream. I love that Jade's

stream is so consistent and relational. It feels like a chill living room with a very comfy couch

where big conversations feel much less daunting than they would in other environments. Like I want to

get, I want to get into the discipleship. I want to get into, into some of that, uh, in a platform,

in a, in a, in a, in a system where you're talking to sometimes hundreds of people. Um,

how do you get relational? Like, it seems to me that almost the technology scales the actual

relationship out of it by trying to give you mass. Like how, how do you keep it? How do you keep it

chill? Yeah. Um, for the last, for the, for the last probably like two years, there was a,

there was a point in my first year where I had a video that went like semi viral, like not viral,

but within the gaming community that, that I was in. Um, I had like a final fantasy 14 video that hit

like, um, a hundred thousand views. And that was like overnight. And all these people came over

because the video was showing how to do something very specific for a class that I was playing.

Um, which is all very, you know, and, uh, and so people started coming over for that and I was

growing really fast, but I recognized that I wasn't like the, the, the numbers were going to grow really

quickly. Um, but it wasn't, there wasn't the base yet. And so until the base was built, it would be

like, um, I don't know, it's like fuel for the wrong fire almost. And so I had to, um, I had to really

pull back and focus more on the people than the numbers for a while. Um, and just focus on the

people that are there already and make sure that we're growing in the right direction. So I really,

I really went, um, I went small for like a while and just tried to keep it within certain numbers

that I knew where I could read every chat message. And, um, I'm not sure if that will always be the

case. Um, I, I don't know if that's like where God has me for the longterm or not. I, um,

there's like a whole thing we could go into about like people that are life streamers versus, um,

people who are, uh, uh, entertainers, you know? And so I, I didn't want to just be the entertaining

streamer that was trying to like keep the masses entertained. Um, and that's kind of what happens

when you get to the bigger numbers. So yeah, mostly focusing on small, like focusing on the people

that are there. Um, if somebody gave me their name, I would, I would make a note of it. Um,

I have like a whole list of people's real names to make sure that I'm like remembering those. Um,

yeah, I, I, I have, honestly, I think it's kind of a God thing. I'm ADHD, but, uh, that ADHD lets me

read, chat and play a game at the same time. And for whatever reason, I, I won't remember where my car

keys are, but I'll remember a whole lot of like random information that people had said. Like,

I really liked this game. I really enjoy this anime. You know, um, I work at such and such place and,

and I can, I can do that somehow for like thousands of people and, um, and be able to remember not

everything, but like a good more than I expected that I could. And, um, but yeah, I, most of it is

just being, being available is already way more than what most people get. You know, you think about

how many people you interact with on a daily basis, um, who are there beyond just work. And you're,

you're already looking at a pretty limited number of people that, um, that actually wants to give

anything, you know, uh, how, how many, some of your, it's like some of my best friends I've been to

coffee with twice, you know, like, it's just not a, um, I don't know. I think we're, we're kind of

drained in that regard, which is why maybe we're so starved for, um, a, a spouse. I think, uh, you

know, it's just like, well, there's, I need somebody I can tell my, uh, my, my day to, and the things

that are going on in my life. And, um, and that's the first time is maybe when you're in like that

kind of a relationship because, you know, and other people don't care about that stuff, but I do,

I want to know what's going on in your day and vice versa, I guess. So.

Now I'm hearing a lot of like Twitch language. Are you, are you using, cause you know, my,

my knee jerk was going to be, Oh, he's using discord for relationships, but that's, I don't,

I don't, I'm not feeling that right here in the moment. Are you, are you hanging out more

in Twitch world and discord these days? Oh, for sure. Yeah. A hundred percent.

So whereas the average, you know, I'm thinking virtual reality pastor, you know, even a lot

of streamers, they're, they're looking at discipleship and ongoing and discord.

You're utilizing Twitch. Like when you say you're, you're evangelizing and discipling in the same

space, it's, I knew that was coming. It's Twitch, right? Like how's that work?

Um, I mean, just by having relationships with people, I, I don't, I don't see, so I don't

see there like the need for a camera for us to have relationship. I don't see the need for

the microphone for us to have like an actual relationship. Um, I, I read like hundreds of

hundreds of thousands of messages, uh, a year. So I, I have a, I can't remember how many,

it's like 500,000 messages a year or something. So I, I get a, uh, even in discord, you can

do a video chat and you can do, um, calling and stuff like that. But most of the time it's

a, it's a text chat. Like even in discord, you're mostly doing text text. So yeah. So, I

mean, a lot of these people I've probably done video with, um, I've done talking with like,

like, uh, some of them, I shouldn't say most, some of them, some of them are streamers.

So I've been in their chats and I've seen them and interacted with them as, as texts.

And then they come into my chat and I've interacted with them that way. So there's that element

for sure as well. But, um, yeah, when you're, when you're in the, so when you, I would say 35,

I'm just going to put a number on it. When you get over 35 people in a room, it's very,

very difficult to talk to all of them. So imagine 35 people in a room. Um, you either have to be like,

let me stand on this soapbox or let me like stand on stage and talk to you all. And then I will go

down and like individually one-on-one talk. Um, or yeah, you need some way to sort through that.

And so it's like, submit your thing. And so, yeah, this is, I think there, it would be very

difficult to do what we're doing right now with the three of us. Even now, like Mark hasn't gotten

to say a whole lot of things. Um, you know, but there's like, there's three of us. So imagine 35

of us, like how often would any of us actually get to talk. So getting to have the, the text

allows for us to have a, a, a community discussion that happens beyond just, you know, like there

has to be somebody like mediating, but I feel like mostly I'm a community, uh, like presenter

more than I am like the community. And when people come to the stream, I'm not saying,

Oh yeah, just come for my thing. It's like, hi, like,

let's all hang out together and, uh, I'll present, you know, something on the screen,

but for the most part, it's just sort of an introduction to let's talk about this. Um,

which I, which I like because you can't do that for like very many other things. You can't

do that for movies. Like you don't go to the movies to be like, Hey, let's talk about the

movie while we're going on. You know, it's like, please stop talking. I'm trying to watch

the movie. Um, so it's, it's a weird, like at first I was kind of, why would somebody want

to watch somebody play video games? I get that kind of thought and notion, but

I realized that it's really less about the video games and more about the people and the

community and the, which is, which is what's the most important thing to me. Like I could

go for hours without ever actually playing the game. And sometimes I do. And people are

like, Hey, you haven't played the game yet. And it's like, Oh yeah, sorry. I just was chatting.

I've enjoyed watching from afar. Recently you've been doing through a live playthrough of like

every, uh, Zelda game. And so back that was, that was actually the second video game I ever

owned was that was the eight bit Zelda. Uh, and so that, that warms the heart a little

bit. Um, you know, we've been, we've been trying to figure out classifications. You know, we've,

we've, we talked earlier with like Mark opened up the season with his, uh, church, uh, that

he's doing through, through Lux. Um, you know, we talked with, uh, Bubba who's, who's the nerd

nerd guy. Uh, we talked with, uh, Jono who's e-sports. Is there a classification to you? Like,

are you, what do you consider yourself in, in, in how you're, you're doing streaming?

Yeah. That nerd guy. Yeah. That could be one. Uh, um, I've, yeah, I, I would say what I'm

doing is variety streaming. Um, I, I often say I have to say true variety streaming, uh, because

there's some people that say like, Oh, I'm a variety streamer, but that just means that

they play Fortnite and League of Legends. Um, so like true variety is, I play lots of different

games and I get to, um, I get to work with indie developers and they send me their games to try

and give feedback on. Um, cause I've, I've played about, I think, I think about 10, uh, probably

about 10,000 games now we're getting on, we're getting the list together. Um, I have, I've

already listed like 5,000. I haven't even started on PC yet. So I think we're close to like maybe

10,000 games played and I play about 250 a year. So like, I'm trying a lot of

games. I mean, I'm completing them all, but that's giving me a good understanding of gaming

as a whole. And I like that I can pretty much with any gamer that I'm talking to, there's

a good chance I've played their favorite game. You know, I already have an end for that conversation.

Like you, you tell me, well, I really like this game or, you know, um, even to a degree

like this anime, um, there's a good chance that I can relate with you, uh, to some degree

on that. And that's pretty, that's pretty rare. Like usually you're like, I like this person.

I just wish they didn't play Fortnite cause I don't enjoy it, you know? Um, but like I

could talk about Fortnite cause I've played it, you know, even though I, even though it's

not for sure far from my favorite game, um, it's a lot of other people's. And so I can

at least have that, that in for that conversation. Um, and I think that for, is, is a, it's a

separate, a separate area than like kind of e-sports. If you, if you haven't, even if you're

not in the same e-sport, you understand the grind, you understand the effort, the time that

it takes, the communication that's necessary. Like it's a different, it's a different beast

than just playing for fun. And so I think it's the same with variety gaming where if

you've played everything, like you can at least talk to games on a higher level than you would

if you were just, you know, one, one game.

Totally. We just got raided. Is, is everyone safe? Do I need to like hide? Are we, are we

protected in this environment? What's actually happening right now in Twitch?

Yeah. Mother, like Mother Goose is trying to DDoS us is, uh, no, I'm just joking. Mother,

Mother Goose just dropped off her community here with us. Uh, what's up Zach Kias 12, two Bobcat.

Good to see you infested Fox. Welcome in and VWink 24. Thanks for stopping by. Appreciate you guys

being here and being part of the community. You are at the digital church network, uh, podcast channel.

Uh, I, all of those words probably didn't come out exactly right, but thanks for stopping by

and we appreciate you being here. Awesome. And, uh, VWink has, I believe that's a Skeletor

emote that I'm looking at right now. And so if that is in fact Skeletor, well done. Much,

much respect right now for that. So welcome. Glad you guys are here. I just saw, you know,

I had kind of like an emoji kind of like reaction. I was like, man, there's a lot that's happening

right there during, during that raid. And then the podcast audience listening is like, what

is going on. So, um, Mark, I, man, any questions as you're listening to this? I, I'm totally just

kind of took over. No, that's okay. Uh, you know, uh, I love, obviously we love Jade, love

what he's doing and, uh, love Jade's heart. And you're right. There is some substantial structural

differences between what we do at Lux and what Jade is doing, but the heart is very similar,

right? We've recognized the deep relational pull that can be found inside of digital space.

We're actively building relationships with people in order for them to come to know Jesus

and grow up to become like Jesus. Um, Jade's methodology looks, I would say more like,

and I don't know how, you know, if he identifies in this way, but a lot more like a digital missionary

than what we're doing. Um, but that is one of the reasons that like our church at Lux

partners with Jade is because we believe in what he's doing and love what he's doing. And because

he's able to uniquely reach a group of people that we as a church stream, like oftentimes

can't connect with and can't meet with and can't, you know, build relationship with.

And so, uh, we love seeing what Jade's doing on Twitch and, uh, you know, there's something

comforting about the fact that no matter when I wake up or when I go to the internet, you

know, Jade and a Fox are there. Um, and they're, and they're there to comfort and greet me.

Uh, he was there last night at midnight while I was playing destiny. He was playing destiny

and he probably was still there when I woke up this morning. So, uh, yeah, there's, there's

a lot that's comforting and love, love Jade's heart and mission for the space.

Beautiful. Jade, how, how scalable is what you're doing? Like you are, you have a calling

to what you're doing. You have a desire. How many, how many, I'm just real quick. How many

hours do you stream a day at this point? Cause at one point it was, it was like 15 or so.

What are you doing now? Yeah. Yeah. First year is 17 on average. Um, but I think, um,

yeah, you definitely don't need to stream that much. Like there's, there's not like an amount

that you need to. Um, so I would say like, don't, I want to worry about the hours that I do it cause

I'm addicted to it. Like I'm really into the people and, um, this is, I'm also single. So this is like

where I get most of my relation from, um, which is different for people that are, that are married,

where it's like time away from your spouse. This is like time with my family, uh, of online

friends. And, uh, you know, so, um, my question really is, is how easy is this to, to cast that

vision to duplicate it into somebody else to get them to operate for them to manage, um, you know,

this tool, uh, in a, in a relational way? Like, have you been successful with that?

Yes. And so the, the thing is like, it's, it's easy in that anybody could do it. Like photography

is easy. Like take out your phone and, and take a photo and like, wow, like there you go. Like,

you know how to take photos now you're a photographer, but the, the difficulty is doing it well. Right?

Like if there's, if there's millions of people that are doing it, then that's, that's who you're

against. You're not going against like million. You're not going against the, uh, hundreds or

thousands of Christians doing it. It's like the millions of people that do this. Um, that's your,

that's who you have to be, you know, against or whatever. I say against, but like, there's enough,

there's then way more like hundreds of millions of people that are, uh, watching Twitch. So that's

not, that's not to say that you're against, uh, you're against people. I think that's the,

where it's, um, where it's difficult is getting people who can, who can go past all the hurdles

and, and, uh, be okay with it, not going fast, like being okay with it, not blowing up, being okay

with like, Oh, there's five people in my chat. Um, for a while I streamed for zero people.

You know, I had like a skull on my desk that I talked to because the delay was so bad that

if I wasn't talking already, when somebody joined, there would just be silence and then

they'd say hi. And then I'd say hi back, but there was a 15 second delay. So they left

by the time they saw that. Um, you have to get, that's like the old days. Now it's pretty

fast. So then it's making sure somebody's reading chat and not just getting stuck in their

game. Like everybody has their stuff. They all have something that they have to grow

in. And, um, some people will get that faster than others. Like I have a friend who just

recently started streaming two months ago and her stream is like got way more people

in it than mine. And, and I think that's great because, um, her style is very tailored

to that. Like, I think it works better than it would for me. And so I'm glad that mine's

at, like I was saying 35 is about where I feel like that's, that's good for me. And it, and

it has been for about a year and maybe that'll change. Maybe there's things that we're doing

that'll get further past that. But, um, that's the, the duplicating is not even just, um, the,

the reproducing. It's literally like some people will reproduce it better than I can. They'll

reproduce it and have a bigger harvest than I can. And, um, and, and I think that's actually

the joy is then that feeds back in and then you, you have more people, uh, that are, are

seeing how the growth is over there and then you get to help those people. Uh, so yeah, it's

kind of just, there's so much room for more people that we're not at, we're not even close

to the stage of churches where it's like, Oh, there's a church on every corner and sometimes

too. And they like have to eat each other and then, you know, who's going to take whose

audience or whatever. There's just really none of that. And, um, the, even the, well,

we, we all got together for like Megazord. There's, there's a whole nother thing. I don't

know how much people know about that, but that's like getting, getting to have unity with each

other and recognizing that, um, it's just a much bigger kingdom win if we all work together

and not try to be, uh, against each other. And so I, I am actually taking, uh, I take to,

I took today off and I took two days ago off and I plan to take for, for a while. I don't

know if I'll do this forever, but I haven't really been doing this lately. I've always taken

Sundays off. Well, after an hour of stream, but like most of Sunday is off for rest, but

I'm taking two days off for just watching other streams and like trying to interact with other

streamers and help them. Um, if I can give them, if I can do graphics, if I can, whatever

I can do to kind of support other people that are doing this. Um, cause my, my wind is going

to be seeing like the kingdom win and not just me. And so that's been sort of the, the thought

is like, how can, how can we do more together? Um, and I, I won't be able to do that if I,

if I'm just always focused on my stuff. So yeah.

Yeah. It was Zacchaeus, uh, throwing in, in the chat here, which really cool is the cross

community. I see same people across multiple channels in the Christian community. Um, it's,

it's interesting that, that harkens back. And I wanted to ask you this, this, um, cause you,

as, as a gamer, I have, as you're a gamer, you have a much more insight on this than I do.

Mark, I don't remember if it was you or if it was Bubba, but early on in, in one of the earlier

conversations, we were talking about, um, providing a safe space for, for Christians who are gamers

to, to connect in. Um, now you guys, Jade, for, I mean, for the most part, you are outward facing,

you're trying to connect with the lost audience, Mark, you're dancing. I believe recall you're

saying you're kind of in between that. Is it really that, um, tough? Is, is it really that

aggressive in the gamer community against Christians where they're looking for solitude? Like, is,

is that really a problem in today's gaming culture? Why don't you go first?

Okay. Do you have an opinion? Uh, are, are gamers looking for solitude in, in other places? Is that

the, is that the question? Are Christians looking for, for safe space to come in? Um, so like for

Christians looking for space, safe space. Yeah. Christian specifically. Uh, I mean, yes, I, I make sure,

my goal is to make sure that my stream is at least 50% non-Christian. Like that's a number I have to hit.

If my stream is more than 50% Christian, I, I feel like I'm failing. So I, I take that very seriously.

Um, so maybe, um, some of that's, I, I think maybe that's a, maybe that's a, um, let me,

this for me is like, like, uh, like Marco saying, it's a, it's a missionary field more than it is a,

uh, like the church side. So that, that premise, the question is coming from like, are they being,

uh, left out of the church so much that they have to go to Twitch to get that? Is that kind of the

thought? Because, because I, I don't think that's maybe necessarily true. Um, there's lots of places

people could go. Um, you know, I don't, I don't necessarily get that feel. Uh, maybe at one point

in time that was true, but that's kind of, uh, that's like, that's maybe more in the past and maybe

it's not as outward facing. Like you're not going to be, I mean, you could play video games in church,

but most of the time you're going to church and people don't really know if you are playing games

after that, unless you're wearing like a nerdy shirt or something. So I don't really feel like,

I don't feel like that's probably the thing, but, um, I do feel like it is more, it, what,

what, where people are needing it, um, are gamers who never went to church. Gamers who never thought

to go to church, never had a relationship with God, never had anybody who told them that there's a

God who loves them and cares about them and wants the best for them. That those people,

they definitely are not going to your church. They didn't need two reasons. You told them that

they were, you know, sinners for playing video games and they were like, okay, well, that's enough for

me. Um, like if, if Christians feel at all, like they're pushed away from church for sure,

non-Christians are not planning to go to your church. Um, so that's, I think, I think that's maybe more

where, um, where I feel like Twitch is so cool because I get to just be a little weird in that

I'm, I'm playing video games all the time. Um, and then, yeah, we're talking about God and like,

we're, we're playing, we're playing games and maybe I'm better at it than they are.

And, and yet also I'm talking about God at the same time and I'm reading the Bible. Um,

just that there's a, there's a like, wow, this guy really cares about the game that I care about.

This guy actually cares about the things that I care about. Um, he, he relates to me. He knows me.

Um, and he, and he's about the same things that I'm about, but there's this like one thing that we

don't fully agree on. Um, and like maybe because of that relationship, I'd be willing to at least

listen. Maybe I'd be at least willing to like hear that conversation, even if it's not the

conversation that I expected to have. Um, you know, we also have talked about lots of games I didn't

expect to talk about and I feel like we had a decent conversation and, um, you know, we disagreed

on this game and it wasn't like he banned me from his chat because we disagreed on it and we didn't

like the same game. So maybe it's fair and safe for me to talk about this other thing we don't

agree on and, and we can just talk about it and it's fine. It's not like it's the end of the world

if we don't agree on everything. Um, I feel like that's more, that's more in line with what's

happening. There's a lot of, we, we know this, but the world doesn't know this. Um, there is a lot

of darkness in the world and most people are chasing, are chasing happiness. Their goal is

I want to be happy and I'm going to go find it through whatever means necessary. And the reality

is if you want happiness, um, well, you said you should be seeking joy, but joy is going to come

from doing something that matters. It's going to come from doing something with meaning.

And, uh, and, and that's, that's where people are seeking that they don't, they maybe don't

even know it, but they're looking for meaning. They're looking for something that's beyond

themselves. And so that's the, I think that's the huge draw of where people are like, oh,

let's try this, you know, let's try that. Let's go to this streamer. Let's go to that streamer.

And if they land on one that feels like the person actually understands meaning and feels like

that they're calling is this, you know, um, anyway. So Jeff, go for it, Mark. I would,

one of the questions you asked was like, do you feel like gamers or Christians are so under attack

in this culture? I think that gaming culture in general is, is, um, demissive of, or, or openly

hostile towards faith or, or religion. It's not something that is embraced here, but I think people

naturally, when you see the same names in the same chats, people gravitate naturally towards the

people who think like them, right? Like that's, we want to be around people that make us feel

comfortable. It's just human nature. So people who find what I was talking to someone else just last

night and they said, I didn't even realize there was this Christian underbelly on Twitch. Right. And

they're a member of our church. They're currently the furthest away member. They're in Guam. Um,

they're currently the furthest away member of our community in small groups, plugged in living on

a military base in Guam. And they're like, I just didn't even realize that this existed. Bootstraps

boot said for me, um, it's getting away from, uh, and having a safe space from the sexualization

of gaming culture. So it's more about safe content than it is about the safety and numbers or safety

in community. And I think a lot of people come and they are looking for people

of connection and they've lived a very dualistic life where they've had their friends and their

community that are gamers. And then they've had their church and their friends that are

Christians. And those two things very, very rarely meet. And so when people find the Christian

community on Twitch, they gravitate towards all of these communities and all of these streamers,

they jump from one to the next because it is this beautiful blending of two realities in their

life that typically were forced to be separate. And now they come together sometimes in a really

beautiful way. There's a really, there's some very dark sections of gaming culture and there's some

very dark corners of the internet. And so I think when they find this opportunity to find the hope

of Jesus also mixed in with something that they've loved and now they're embraced by, and instead of

saying, I play D&D and they get exiled from their church, um, they are actually embraced amongst a

community for the things that they love, the things that make them unique and the things that

they're passionate about. They find a great deal of comfort in it. And that's what I have found,

at least in leading Lux, which is missional in its emphasis, but we don't, we're not looking to,

I don't, I don't think I've ever even thought about like the 50, 50 role that Jade sort of holds

as a standard for his community. And I love that he does. Um, it's not one that's like in the back

of my mind very frequently, but in my experience, when talking with Christians who are gamers,

who are in this space, who are frequenting a lot of the communities and streams, it has more to do

with the fact that man, they finally found a place that they've never found inside the church where

they can be embraced and accepted for the things that they genuinely love to do. And now they're

finding a place where things that they love to do and the faith that is impacted in the man, Jesus,

whose impact of their life dramatically can come together in a beautiful way.

And, uh, that's been quite cool. It's been quite cool to watch. And then it's been cool to see

people come along who aren't Christians who could care less, but man, if the online world isn't toxic

and they're just looking for a place that's welcoming and friendly and loving. And what

they're finding is that's true inside of a lot of these Christian communities, which

is really cool to see as well. I mean, there's folks in the Lux chat right now.

Don't believe what I believe, but they're part of our community and they're part of our church

because they've found, I think, I think they found that they've been embraced, welcomed and cared

for amongst our community, despite not believing what we believe. Sure.

But they found a home there. Let me, let me ask this. And this, this may be a loaded question

and would love perspectives from both of you. Um, both of you are independent of the church.

Jade, at some point I want to ask how you actually make money, but that's, that'll be

another question in a second. But for first, I don't, does the physical church, you don't,

I know, neither do I. It's okay. It works out. Um, Lord willing. Uh, but how does the physical

church, does the, how does the physical church get into this space? Like, so, you know, Mark

and Jade, you both described eloquently how the physical church is not in there and, and you

are working hard to create a culture, to create environment, to allow people that have been

misaligned by the church to, to find comfort and to represent God to these people that, that

have been absent from it because the church doesn't understand. Does the church need to

understand? Can the church understand? What does the church need to do? Or does it need just

to lean against pioneers that are planting in this space? And, and we, we duplicate more

of you. Like, do we bring the established church into this culture or do we just plant

like crazy and start to empower new, uh, wineskins to work in this new environment? I'm just curious

what y'all's gut is. Jay, why don't you go first? Okay. Um, you know, we're the church,

you know, I mean, if we say, does the church need to do this? Yeah, we are like, that's why

I'm here. Um, so I, what would be, yes, it would be nice if, if established churches that

were, um, the thing is like, especially maybe as a, as a missionary, it is very, very difficult to

get funding. Yes. That's very hard. It's not something that I, whatever, you know, um, that's

going to be hard because the Christians that I talk to don't feel like you're, you're talking enough

about God on your streams. You know, I went on your stream like for five minutes and I didn't hear

you mentioned God and like, um, and then on the other hand, of course, the, the atheist is like,

dude, like you, you just talk about God all the time. Like it's really hard to watch your streams

because you're just praying like all the time. And I feel like I can't just like have it in the

background while I'm doing other things because like, man, like I can't go, can't go five minutes

without you talking about God. And it's like, I, I, I hear that from both sides, which is why I think

the 50% thing is important and also like so difficult. Um, so yes, I would say maybe if

there's people that are already doing it, then just go ahead. Um, just go ahead and support those

people that are doing it because it will multiply naturally. You're going to find like, I'm, I don't

think the church multiplying people doing it is probably going to be very effective. Me finding

people that are in the space where I already am multiplying and doing it. That's of course,

we're going to find those people because they're already there. They're already aware of it. It's

already an important part of their, um, their thing. Uh, so yeah, if we want to multiply, it's

just going to kind of happen naturally from the support of, uh, those that are doing it. And then

being able to, uh, I, I'm, but the little that I have, I'm already trying to support other people,

but yes, I do think that as far as like church goes, like that's, that's why I had to, maybe I

didn't get sent as much as I wish I had been sent, you know, by my church, but, uh, I, why I quit

my, my job at a church and moved to what I'm doing now because I needed to, um, like as the church,

like I, I, I saw the need and, uh, it's where God sent me. And so, um, you know, that as a church,

like we're, we're, we're doing it. And, um, I, I don't feel like we're super separated from the

church or that I'm like hurt necessarily by the church. It's just like, I wish they understood

sometimes, but, um, you know, it wouldn't feel as much like acts if it, if they did. So, uh, it's just

sort of, uh, just keep moving forward. That's how I feel about it. I want to ask a follow-up

question on that, but I want to give Mark, uh, did you have an opinion on, uh, on the earlier?

I would just say that I wish that the church would, would recognize the validity of the space

and see the impact. I mean, a lot of what we're doing at Lux is because we love the people,

but it's also to build a case study to show the physical church. Like this is for real,

like real, like last night I, I, in post-service, I counseled a woman battling cancer and prayed with

her. I ministered to a woman battling mental illness and prayed with her. I ministered to

a young guy whose church is splitting and prayed with him and met someone from Guam and a new couple

who's dealing with church hurt who found our church, right? Like those were real relationships.

Those were real things that's happening. And I wish the church would see that. And instead of saying,

Oh, something's happening on Twitch. We can post our service there this Sunday. We can multi-stream.

I wish they would find people like Jade and say every bit of funding that we would have put into

multi-streaming, we're going to put into this guy because he's a person who actually understands the

culture and understands the people and understands the language and can connect with them. And we can't.

I wish the church would hear that. And they would begin seeing people like Jade, very similar to how

they would see the missionary that they're supporting in Zambia. And we have people that

we support in Africa and we support Jade because we believe that both of them are equally valid

ministries and equally valid missions. And if I had, if I had, could write a letter to the church,

I would say you're missing out on the biggest nation on the planet. And one of the least reached nations

on the planet. And there are there, the harvest is plentiful and the workers are starving.

So would you come and feed some workers with me? Like, would you come in and help feed some workers?

Because if you would put even a fraction of the financial resources that you put into performing

the Sunday morning service into a handful of streamers, you could make them production wise

in the top 1% of people on Twitch and allow them to gain traction and really begin to interact with

people live. You could help them to train people. And there's so many resources that the church has

that this space in particular needs and guys like Jade need. And I wish that the church would recognize it

and would quit arguing about the validity of digital space and start helping. Honestly,

that's what I want the church to hear and what I want the church to do.

Yeah, that's so good. And that actually really set up well, the follow-up that I wanted to ask. And,

you know, in St. Bear, in chat, he's been talking about, he's been saying the word digital

missionary a lot, kind of walking through that. And, you know, if the church would support

digital missionaries in the same way that they would support missionaries in Uganda,

I think Mark, you said Zambia. It's interesting. You both are at least on the same... Zambia is in

Africa, right? And your conversation is a different day. Yeah, I failed geography, but that's another

conversation. Hey, Jade, and every time I ask you this question, I've known you for four years,

five years, maybe. We've been talking a long time. Every time I ask this question, I get a different

answer. So I'm really curious, like, how you stand on this now. Are you a church? Are you a digital

missionary? Are you a discipleship group? What are you? Yeah. I mean, I think I'm probably the same

place that I was last time and it's probably where I'll land. I let people use whatever words they want

because words are only helpful for defining things. And the reality is the people that I really feel

called to, like the 50% non-Christian that's the majority of my stream, those are the people who

are not interested in a church. The people I'm trying to reach don't want to go to a church.

So why would I label it something that they don't want to go to? If I'm talking in church world and

it's like helpful for them to think of it that way, then sure. I want to do all the things that make

a church effective and successful. Like what does that look like? What does that mean? Those are the

things I want to do. So rather than focusing on the... I mean, really, pretty much what I just said

was that I don't want to focus on the method as much as the mission. I don't want to focus on

the method as much as the message. And that's what I focus on is like, how can I make sure that people

who have never had a chance to read the Bible before don't plan to ever step foot in a church?

How do I reach that person? How do I help that person understand that there's a God who loves

them, cares about them, wants the best for them? And they're never going to get there by me starting

a church. I wanted to start a church for gamers, a physical church. That was the plan.

And it was like, through the process of realizing that, no, I don't want to just reach Christian

gamers. I really want to reach gamers who have the capability of love and have the capability

of understanding that there's a God who loves them, but just have never been even introduced

to that topic. And so that's really... I don't know. That's more... So I would say missionary

fits better probably for what I'm doing. If I was going to put a bow on it, I feel better

saying now missionary. But there's a lot of people that would say, I don't go to church

and I don't plan to, but I'll hang out with you on a Saturday for three hours and discuss

after the Bible while we play video games for games in God. That's the time they do that.

Okay. So let's focus on that person right there because I'm legitimately curious about this.

You're hanging out with that person. You build a relationship. You share Christ. They come to

Jesus a better understanding of the grace that he provides. Now, what does that person do like

three years from now? Are you trying to get them connected into a physical church? Are you trying

to multiply them to become the next jate in another community to reach a different type of person via

to Twitch and that's self-sustaining? What is a mature version of your disciple? Where are they going to be?

Yeah. I think it's a per person base. There are some who are definitely called into

doing something else. Maybe versus whatever. I mean, I really like, we could talk forever about

calling because I have a whole thing on that, but I believe that Ephesians 2.10, where your workmanship

created in Christ Jesus to do good work, so you're prepared in advance for us to walk in. I believe

that there is a calling for each person that God's prepared you in advance to walk in. And so it's not

necessarily as much of like, you know, how can I, let me, let me just make sure that I'm going through

all the steps to like put them into the thing that I think that they should fit in. It's more like,

I think God has prepared and is continuing to prepare people for something. And sometimes, yes,

maybe it's similar to what I'm doing. And other times, maybe it's something very different

from what I'm doing. And my, what I get, um, like my, like when you say like, what, what is a

successful thing? I feel like three years from now, for some people, like the success is that they are

reading their Bible every day. Like that, that's, that's already, you know, the success might be that

they're no longer addicted to drugs. Like the success might be that they're no longer, um, thinking about

alcohol every second, you know, like that, that's going to look very different for different people.

There's some people that were very far from the church growing up and then they quickly came into

it. And it's like, they're growing and moving and they're helping other people as they're growing.

Like it, it just is going to look very different for each person. And I think also it's being okay

with the fact that you're planting seeds and that you won't always get to be the one to water it,

that you won't always be the one that's there getting to see it grow. And that's been very

difficult for me because I know that for many people, I'm the first step. I'm like the first,

the first time maybe that that person has seen that. And I think that's also very difficult for,

um, just on a very real note, uh, like a church is very lucky in that a church usually gets people

who are already, if they're already willing to go to a church, that's kind of like, oh, if I could

connect it, like people don't just walk into an Apple store, you know, like they already have seen

Apple, they've seen their friends use it. Maybe they've had a friend who had one and then they

use their Apple phone. And through the process of seeing Apple used in a daily life, they were like,

okay, maybe I'll consider one. And so then they like walk into an Apple store and the Apple employees

selling them on this thing. And maybe the Apple employee feels really good about themselves.

Like, wow, this person's really in for what I'm talking about. Like I'm such a good salesperson,

but like they don't see all the things that it took for them to get into that Apple store.

Like if there hadn't been that friend that was there talking with them and showing them how it

was used and kind of convincing them that it's even worth using, especially when they were telling

them over and over again, how it's not worth using and how it's not worth their time. And they're

saying, no, it really is. Let me just show you, let me just give me like five minutes and I'll just

show you that it is actually worth using. Like it, there's all of that. And a lot of times I'm more

that friend who's just there. Like, no, it really is true. Like I, I tell people on stream all the

time. I'm a, I'm a truth seeker before I'm a Christian. Like my goal is not to just be a good

Christian. It's to know what's true. And continuously over and over again in my life, I've recognized

that the Bible is true. And so if that's true, then I, then this is true. And we need to continue

down that line of thinking. But for somebody who has never, never, never experienced it before,

that's going to be very difficult. And three years time is not very much time at all for somebody

that's come from an entire life that's very different from that. And so I've been doing this

three years and I have some friends who, when I met them, you know, maybe some even in chat right now,

when I met them, uh, they were, they were not thinking about those things and it's kind of

normalized for me now, but yeah, like that's a, that's a pretty short timeline, but I think it's

also the amount of time that you get to spend with somebody through online is, is quite a bit more

than you would in person anyway. You know, you just don't get a lot of time with people in person

and I can spend hours and hours talking and it's, it's like, you know, that's just okay because we

don't have to drive somewhere. We don't have to set up a time. You know, I, I can just do this and

you can come and hang out and we can have this conversation any, any, any point of the day, you

know? So what's the percentage of people that you stream, or let me ask it this way. Maybe not

percentage, not the right answer. How many people have you met physically over the three years?

Um, yeah, I don't know. I don't know exactly how many I've, um, a lot of it's like through

specific events. I would like to do more, but again, like that kind of just costs money.

Like, honestly, if I just had, if I had more money, I would probably go meet more. Like

if money wasn't an object, I could be much more like, Hey, if you want, if you want to

get baptized, I'll fly to where you are and baptize you personally. Like I, I'm sure that

would be a cool thing to do, but like that just costs money. Um, so I think it's more of

a, um, yeah, and time and yeah, it's a, it's, it's a thing, but my, I, I've met, uh, everybody

at Megazord. So that was a bunch of other streamers. I'd already met Aki and Peach in person. Um, he

happened to be driving through going towards, uh, it's just random events like, Oh, I'm

going to be in your near about, he was about two hours away in, uh, and he was like, I'll

be driving through cause we're going to be driving for vacation. If you want to meet up, we'll

have breakfast. So we went at a cracker barrel, cracker barrel, and we all hung out. Um, people

like that, uh, I went to Japan with 10 friends, uh, five of which I'd never met in person before.

And, um, and I actually spoke at a church in Japan and, uh, cause I, I knew a preacher

that started a church out there. And so I spoke at his church and we had a translator and they

came, um, all my friends are the five that I'd never met in person. Um, all of them were

atheist, uh, or, or at least agnostic. And they, um, all but one, because he was sick

came to the church and it was just like, that was cool. Um, got to, got to do that. So there's

lots of, there's lots of people that I've, I've gotten to meet, but a lot of them are, um,

there's not like a planned, it's not like a planned thing. It just, if it happens, it happens.

Maybe I'll go to like conventions and I'll get to meet people that way. But yeah.

So what is, we're wrapping up here, maybe one or two questions as, as we're landing the

plane, what's the biggest obstacle or hurdle you're trying to overcome right now?

Um, I mean, honestly financial right now, uh, I probably won't be able to live where I'm

living right now for very much longer. So that's a, like, that's definitely a thing. Um, I've

been, I live in my, uh, my dad's basement because this church, the church that he preaches

at, this is a parsonage. So this building is like, uh, allowed space for him. And this

was an unfinished basement, like basically a garage. And I just like made it work and made

it, you know, homey or whatever. So I'd say financial is, is realistically, that's probably

the most difficult as far as hurdles go. Um, as far as like relationally, um, yeah, I would

say the, how to can, how to keep it relational as it scales up bigger, uh, because you can't

necessarily make it smaller. And that's always been a thing for us. I think we're getting better

at it. Um, because we focus so much on the community and the, and the set people that are

there, that it's not just coming for me, but you're coming for all the other people that

are there. And so if I'm busy because there's a huge raid, you know, we've had hundreds of people

in there at a time when there's multiple hundreds of people talking at the same time, I can't read

everything, but people are able to talk with each other. They recognize each other in chat.

And I think that's a huge benefit. And that's why I'm glad that there's lots of other streamers

doing this too, because I recognize lots of the people in this chat. You know, I've never been in

this channel before and I know a good number of the people that are talking right now. And so it's, um,

I think that's, I think that's almost like, I don't know. It's almost like the church is, uh,

is not in the one thing, but in all of the stuff, you know, there's lots of people in here that I can

recognize. I mean, I could just point down the whole, I don't, I'm not going to point people out,

but we got flat cap. I guess I will flat cap, you know, Chino mage. We, we, I can, I think about

like Chino mage that I've seen on, uh, you know, YouTube or Facebook and like, and, and the ministries

that are happening there and how he's helping in other, in other regards. And I think about like

ukulele for worship is in chat. I think about her streams and she does morning streams before she

goes, it's Maria. She goes before, uh, she goes to work. She does her, does music and worship on,

on stream. And she does a Bible study. Like, I mean, I think about all of these things and I don't

think of them as like separate from even necessarily my thing. It's like, we all get to do this together

and I'm just kind of adding to the bucket of what everybody's doing. And so the, when I think

about the church, I'm not even thinking about just me. It's like all of us, like we're all doing it.

And it's a benefit for the, all of us to see this happen, you know? So, yeah.

You know, and I think for me, that's the thing that's been, um, brought me the most joy is,

is seeing the collaboration, seeing the unity in, in a lot of the gaming, um, in the, you know,

the VR, Alice in the Palace is, is in chat too. And I know she's involved in the VR space as well.

And, and so it's not mutually exclusive. There's some overlap in both. Dude, are you thirsty?

That was a lot of water you just chugged, man. Like, are you, are your kidneys okay? Everything?

Yeah. That was, yeah. Always go drink water. Yeah.

Okay. Um, hey, listen, Jade, if somebody wanted to support you, somebody wanted to,

to, to send you money, like how, how do people actually donate support? How do people give

Jade to Jade Earhart? Um, hi, Mark. The, uh, yeah. Uh, I mean, there's a, there's a donation,

there's a donation link on my stream in the about section. Is there like a URL? Cause I'm doing this

on podcast. I'm giving this publicly. Like I'll put it in the, in the show notes. Do you have

something like that? If, if you want to support me? Um, I don't know. I don't know if I have a thing

like that. I guess I could, I should think about it. Okay. So I mean, there's a, there's a PayPal.

Yeah. I don't know. We can talk. Can you give me a PayPal URL? Is, is that like a safe thing to do

online? I, I think it is. My, my PayPal is guy of God at gmail.com, but I think you have to

do something else before you can, I don't know if you can give it that way or not, but anyway,

maybe there's like a tag. Here's, here's what I want to do. If somebody wants to support Jade,

text me directly. 484-324-8724. I'll put that, uh, put that in the show notes. 484-324-8724.

You can text me at that number. Um, and I'm going to work with Jade cause we got, we got it. We got

to figure out how to, how to get Jade some help. And, um, and like I said, financial is the most,

the hardest part for me. And I, maybe I, maybe that's the reason. Maybe I'm not good at this

part. I will. I, Jeff, I want to, and hopefully this is okay to take it a step further. Jeff knows

a lot of people in this space who are doing what Jade's doing are similar. We know Jade. I know a

lot of people in this space were doing what Jade's doing. So let's just put it out there. If you are a

church right now and you're listening to this and you're like, I could see our mission board getting

on board with this, supporting something like this on a regular monthly basis that goes beyond

stream elements or PayPal's or dropping by and leaving a couple of hundred bucks as a one-time

tip. But we actually want to have a high level of buy-in into what is happening here because we see

that God is at work in it and we may not understand it, but we do want to be part of the narrative and

the story that's being told. Would you just reach out to Jeff or to me through the church digital

network, through the podcast, whomever? I'm sure there's an email and we'll help connect you to

somebody like Jade or Jade himself who genuinely this is their obstacle, right? It's a financial

obstacle. They need to find support because the church digital and Jeff, you have so many connections

within the church world that a lot of these people who are just saying, I feel called to this

community. I feel called to hit the go live button. I feel called to love on people to tell them about

Jesus and disciple them. They don't have their foot in this world. They don't have connection

to the church. And I've talked to streamer after streamer who's like, yeah, my church doesn't get

it. Or yeah, my, my pastor doesn't, doesn't want to support it. But that's not the case for every

church that out there. And there's lots of churches who listen to this podcast on a regular basis who

have enough interest in it that like, take it to your mission board, take it to your leadership team

and say, we want to actually genuinely support, not just what the church digital is doing,

because you should be supporting that by the way, but you should also be supporting some of these guys

who are giving their lives to this community, to love these people, a mission field that most churches

don't even know that exists. So if you're out there, this is my plea, my vision cast, my, you know,

my plug for it. We'll help you get connected to the right people. Just reach out to us if you don't

know what to do next. 100% love that. Hey, Jay, this has been a great conversation. And, you know,

I even know Digital Church Network, we've, we've done some support with you and, and historically,

and man, I just, I love what you're doing. I want to see it continue on. And, and we do need to figure

out, we do need to find churches that, that can, can help financially sponsor the ministry that you're

doing towards that. And, and I want to see what you're doing, continue to multiply, continue to,

uh, to reach the people that you're reaching that, that honestly, you are only the people that only

you can reach through that. And so, man, thanks for being faithful and diligent, uh, in, in this season

and, and pressing forward when, when really, um, so few aren't, we're actually going to be hanging

out in an expo in a couple of weeks. So I'll get to give you a hug and, and that's going to be

great. I, I mean, I probably see you like maybe once or twice a year. And so looking forward to

my J, my J fix here in, in, in a little bit. So, uh, but for that, we're going to, we're going to

wrap up. We're going to land a plane. Uh, so I've, I've been watching, we've had 15 or so here in DCN

and, and Mark, we've had 15 or so, it looks like in, in Lux Digital Church as well. Like we,

we ended up accidentally streaming this entire thing into your church for the entire broadcast.

Yeah. Yeah. We're, we're live over there. I'm, I'm interacting with people. We're sending Samus

over right now who wants to support Jade. Send, sending Samus over right now from the church,

from, uh, from Lux Digital Church over to the church digital podcast, uh, channel right now.

There he is. There's Samus. There we go.

Cool. So, so love it, Samus. Uh, thanks. Thanks for coming over. Uh, but Hey, we're going to wrap

up next week. It's funny. The chat was talking earlier about Aki, um, at being a family guy,

who's doing a similar approach to streaming as Jake. And so we're having a family guy was not a

reference to the TV show, a guy with family. Uh, and so we're actually having Aki on the stream and on

the podcast next week. Uh, probably dig in a little bit into some discord and some mod as well. Cause

he's, he's strong in that space, but look forward to the conversation next week. But for now we're going

to wrap up. We're going to land the plane. So for Jade, for Mark, this is Jeff with the church,

digital and digital church network and evidently, uh, Twitch something or other. So thanks for

jumping here on the podcast and the stream and we'll see you on the next show. Y'all have a good day.