Sermon
2 Kings 16: Ruining the House of God SEPTEMBER 20, 2026 Pastor Steven L. Anderson
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Man's second king, chapter number 16, the Bible reads in verse number one in the seventh year of Pica, the son of Remeliah.
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Ahaz, the son of Jotham, king of Judah, began to raise.
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Reign, 20 years old was Ahaz when he began to reign and reigned 16 years in Jerusalem
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and did not that which was right in the sight of the Lord his God, like David his father,
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but walked in the way of the kings of Israel, yea, and made his son to pass through the fire.
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According to the abominations of the heathen whom the Lord cast out from before the children of Israel.
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And so if you remember, there's just been several generations in Judah of just really kind of just lame kings.
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They, they vaguely did what was right in the sight of the Lord, but not like David their father, not with all their heart.
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There's always a caveat and then toward the end of their lives, they all crashed and burned.
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So there've been a lot of lame generations, but with Ahaz in the southern kingdom of Judah,
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things just go all the way off the cliff now and he's just doing that which is wrong in the sight of the Lord.
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And he's even to the point where he does a sacrifice of his child.
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He'd be a human sacrifice, murdering a baby basically by making his son to pass through the fire.
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According to the abomination of the heathen whom the Lord cast out from before the children of Israel.
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So the people that lived in Canaan before the Israelites showed up were super wicked people,
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super perverted in Leviticus chapter 18 and in Leviticus chapter 20.
Leviticus 18 chapter mention Leviticus 20 chapter mention
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It lists all of these gross perversions and wicked things and you're like,
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man, why is this stuff even being brought up?
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But then it says at the end that the inhabitants of Canaan had done all of those things.
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And that's why even the land itself was just vomiting them up because they were just so wicked.
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And one of the things that they also engaged in was this process of like passing your children through the fire,
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which is basically like a burnt sacrifice of humans.
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And really, these two things are always going to go hand in hand.
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Sexual promiscuity and murdering babies are always going to go hand in hand
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because you kind of can't really have one without the other.
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Okay, because it is promiscuity.
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It is fornication.
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It is adultery that causes people to have an attitude that says,
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well, we got to abort these babies.
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We got to have some emergency contraception.
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We got to do this abortion.
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And look, this is really not different than abortion.
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Okay, killing a newborn baby and killing a baby in the womb.
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You know, you're still murdering a human life just because maybe one of them
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is a little bit less grotesque.
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But really, that's just only because our society kind of puts the blinders on
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to the grotesqueness of the one versus the other.
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They're both wicked.
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They're both an abomination in the sight of God.
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They're both murder.
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They're both evil.
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And look, the devil and his crowd,
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they're always trying to push things a little bit further anyway.
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So if you say, well, let's just allow abortion during the first term, you know,
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then it'll be like, well, why not the second term?
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And then it's like, no, why not third term?
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And then it's like literally partial birth abortion where the baby is half-born.
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And I mean, this is something that has happened in the United States.
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Democrat politicians just absolutely pushing for,
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hey, we got to have partial birth abortion.
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And then they'll have these pieces of legislation where
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if the baby's accidentally born while they're trying to kill it,
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they'll just kind of just set it to the side and just let it slowly die or whatever.
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I know Obama had, you know, signed off on something like that
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when he was the senator from Illinois.
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And, you know, this is why these people are just so wicked and such evil trash
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that they don't even have the most basic respect for human life
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of just respecting the Bible's teaching on, thou shalt not kill.
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And again, it's not married couples who are monogamous
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that are driving the abortion industry.
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Okay, it's being driven by whores and whoremongers.
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Okay, that's what it comes down to.
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It's gross, it's wicked, it's evil, it's an abomination in the sight of God
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and it ought to be an abomination in our sight as well.
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And let's face it, children are not always going to be convenient.
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They're going to be a pain in the butt at times.
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But you know what the Bible says,
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in sorrow shalt thou bring forth children
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and thy desire shall be to thy husband
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and he shall rule over thee.
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So guess what? That's life.
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Okay, men go to work all day and they work by the sweat of their face
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and women bring forth children in sorrow
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and their husband rules over them.
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This is the order of the world that we live in.
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And so you can't just say,
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well, no, I'm just going to just rebel against that.
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I'm just going to murder my child.
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Well, there's going to be hell to pay
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because God is going to punish that kind of sin.
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And innocent blood is not something that God just winks at or overlooks.
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It's a serious, serious crime, sin and wickedness.
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And the eyes of God.
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So passing his child through the fire is, of course,
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a major abomination and God's upset.
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And it says in verse four,
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he sacrificed and burnt incense in the high places
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and on the hills and under every green tree.
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Verse five, then reason King of Syria
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and Pika, son of Bromeliah, King of Israel
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came up to Jerusalem to war
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and they besieged Ahaz but could not overcome him.
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So what we see here,
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you have, of course, the northern kingdom of Israel
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that again, they always have a bad king.
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Southern kingdom sometimes has good kings,
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sometimes has bad kings
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and the southern kingdom is not called Israel.
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The southern kingdom is called Judah, okay?
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And so Judah in the southern kingdom,
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now they have a wicked king.
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God's bringing some judgment upon them.
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So the northern king of Israel
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teams up with the king of Syria
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and attacks Jerusalem
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but they were not able to totally overcome Ahaz
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although they're besieging him.
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But then it says in verse six
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and this is a very key verse, verse six here, okay?
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You wanna know where this is in your Bible.
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This is an important verse, okay?
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At that time, reason King of Syria
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recovered Elath to Syria
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and draped the Jews from Elath
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and the Syrians came to Elath
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and dwelt there under this day.
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You say, well, you know,
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that doesn't seem like a very important verse.
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What is the significance here?
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The significance here
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is that this is the first time
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that the word Jew is ever mentioned in the Bible
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which is pretty significant
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because the word Jews is gonna be used over and over again
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dozens and dozens of times
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all throughout Old Testament, New Testament.
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Very important, significant word
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but isn't it interesting that we've already read
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our Bibles all the way up to this point
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and there's no mention of Jews in Genesis,
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Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy,
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Joshua, Judges, Ruth, First and Second Samuel
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all the way up to this point of First and Second Kings
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where we're already starting to wind down
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with the kings of the Northern Kingdom of Israel
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and we're getting toward even the end
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of the Southern Kingdom of Judah
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as far as under the monarchy period
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and we're just now getting to the word Jews, right?
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So the historical books are taking us,
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you know, all the way from the creation
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with Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy,
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Joshua picks up from there.
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Historical books, you know, are almost over
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because at the end of Second Kings
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it's like, okay, after that it's pretty much chronologically
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just, you know, Ezra, Nehemiah, Esther, stuff like that.
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So why is this so important?
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Why am I making a big deal about the fact
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that this is the first time the word Jews is used
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is because a lot of people will mistakenly think
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that Israel and Jews are synonymous in the Bible
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and here's a powerful proof that that's not true
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because here it is Israel fighting against the Jews.
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Israel is teamed up with Syria fighting the Jews.
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That's the first time Jews are mentioned
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is actually in opposition to Israel, okay?
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And what these Bible teachers will do now
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is come along and say, oh, the book of Revelation,
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it talks about the Jews, this and the Jews, that
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and you're like, wait a minute, bro,
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I read the book of, it's like, oh, no, it's all about the Jews.
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The end times is all about the Jews.
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The pre-tribbers will tell you the tribulation is for the Jews,
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not for us, it's for the Jews.
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It's all about the Jews.
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Then wouldn't it mention the Jews like somewhere
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in the book of Revelation about that?
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And what they'll point to is where the Bible mentions
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the 144,000.
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But here's the thing about the 144,000
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is that it says that there are 12,000
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from each of the 12 tribes of Israel,
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but these pre-tribbers will just say, quote,
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144,000 Jews.
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The Bible does not say 144,000 Jews,
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it says 144,000 from the 12 tribes of Israel
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and then it even gets super specific.
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12,000 from Reuben, 12,000 from Gad,
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12,000 from Naftali, et cetera, et cetera.
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Now that is a huge difference from the Jews
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and here's why, because what does the word Jew mean?
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The word Jew means someone from the Southern Kingdom of Judah.
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And this is where the word Jew even comes from,
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from Judah.
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And so we have the Northern Kingdom of Israel
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and the Southern Kingdom of Judah
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and the people who live down here
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in the Southern Kingdom of Judah
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begin at some point to be known as Jews.
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And then in the New Testament period,
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this became a Roman province called Judea.
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And then the Northern Kingdom of Israel
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becomes a Roman province known as Samaria.
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And so you have the province of, again, Judea.
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And so the Judeans, the people who live in Judea,
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the people who are following the religion of
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and are in the Southern Kingdom of Judah,
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they are Jews.
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That is where the word comes from.
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And so the Northern Kingdom of Israel,
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also known as the 10 lost tribes,
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they're not called Jews, right?
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So the people living and operating in that Northern Kingdom
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are not called Jews, they're just not.
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Now in the Old Testament, they're called Israelites,
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Hebrews, et cetera.
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And then ultimately they're going to become known
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as Samaritans, but the Jews
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are referring to people of the Southern Kingdom of Judah.
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So if you're going to go into Bible prophecy in Revelation
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and say we got 12,000 from the tribe of Reuben,
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those aren't Jews.
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12,000 from the tribe of Gad, those aren't Jews.
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You know, 12,000 from natural life, those aren't Jews.
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Now look, obviously there are just small remnants
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of people from those Northern tribes
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that migrated from the Northern Kingdom of Israel
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and came down to the Southern Kingdom of Judah
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and became Jews, you know, and they basically,
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you know, join in with that nation.
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But the vast majority of those people
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of the Northern 10 tribes were never called Jews.
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They're never Jews and they ended up being scattered
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into all nations and those tribes no longer exist.
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So today what we have is of course the 13th tribe,
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the tribe of Poland over in Israel today.
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We have the Pollocks and Hungarians and Russians
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and all the Germans and people over there
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that are basically masquerading as Jews.
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They're basically just white Europeans
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who've adopted the religion of Judaism, okay?
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And now all of a sudden they're supposedly
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the ancient Israelites.
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But here's the thing, even the ones who are
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some kind of a descendant of the actual Jews,
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you know, would predominantly be from two tribes, right?
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Judah and Benjamin.
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And then you could say Levi as well
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because the priests obviously.
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So three tribes, Judah, Benjamin and Levi
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are pretty much the main players of the Southern Kingdom.
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It's gonna be very few examples of people
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who migrated down.
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So to sit there and say that in the end times
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there's gonna be 144,000 Jews, that doesn't make any sense
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because it doesn't say Jews, it says 12,000 Reubenites.
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And guess what, the tribe of Reuben no longer exists.
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Tribe of Gad doesn't do a little research on it.
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Naphtali doesn't exist.
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None of those tribes exist,
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which is why they're called the 10 lost tribes.
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And so Jews are only representing
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the Southern Kingdom of Judah.
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And also if you ask those in Israel today
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or Jews in New York or Jews in Los Angeles,
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if you ask them what tribe are you, they don't know
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what tribe they are.
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The only ones who would even claim to know
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are the priests because they would say like,
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well, we know we're of the priestly faction
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so therefore we're of Levi.
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But again, we're taking the Bible more literally
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and they accuse us of not being literal
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and spiritualizing everything.
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But really we're actually being literal
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that we believe that in Revelation
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when it says 12,000 Reubenites,
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it actually means Reubenites.
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And the only way to get 12,000 male Reubenite Virgins
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would be to get them from the Old Testament, right?
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I mean, where are you gonna get 12,000
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of the tribe of Gad?
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You know, you're gonna get it from the Old Testament
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back when the tribe of Gad actually existed, okay?
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And so here's what's going on
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is that if you actually,
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and I don't wanna make this a big Bible prophecy sermon
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but I just wanna kinda touch on this briefly,
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is that what's going on is that in the end times
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after the tribulation is gonna be the second coming of Christ
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and the dead are going to be resurrected.
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And when the 144,000 are on this earth
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doing their ministry,
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it's after that resurrection takes place.
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Their ministry happens after the resurrection takes place.
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So they're basically resurrected, okay?
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That's what's going on.
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And so you have the 144,000 being sealed up in heaven.
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They're already in heaven before the rapture, okay?
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So you have the 144,000 in heaven before the rapture
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already being sealed and prepared for their ministry.
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And basically as we're leaving,
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they're basically showing up.
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And so as the Christians are raptured
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after the tribulation, but before God's wrath,
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they're basically replaced on this earth with the 144,000
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who are resurrected Old Testament saints,
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literally 12,000 from Gad, 12,000 from Manasseh, et cetera.
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That's an actual literal reading of the text
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that actually makes sense.
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But what they'll try to do is just say Jews.
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But again, if you go to 2 Kings chapter 16 verse six,
2 Kings 16 chapter mention
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you get a definition of Jews.
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You see, it's not Israel, it's not Syria.
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No, it's people in the southern kingdom of Judah.
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That's who the Bible calls Jews.
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And a lot of times the first time a word is used
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in the Bible is significant
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because it kind of defines that word for you.
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I don't think it's a coincidence that the very first time
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that the word Jew is ever used in the Bible
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is in opposition to Israel showing you,
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hey, Israel and Jews aren't the same thing.
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These are two different things, okay?
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Southern kingdom of Judah.
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So anyway, that was a little bit of a rabbit trail,
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but I just wanted to make sure and teach that
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because there's so much bad teaching out there
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about end times prophecy and all this kind of pro-Israel,
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Zionist dispensational teaching gets people confused.
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I'm just trying to cut through some of the confusion
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and say, look, Jew is southern kingdom of Judah.
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144,000 is from specific tribes.
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That's not just the same as just a blanket Jew terminology
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because couldn't God have just said 144,000 Jews?
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You know, he could have just picked the whitest,
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blondest Jews that he wanted to if that's what he wanted to do,
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but that's not what he's going to do.
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He's going to take 12,000 from each of these ancient
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Israelite tribes, you know,
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and they're going to be on this earth doing their thing
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while God's wrath is being poured out.
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So back to chapter 16, verse 6 here.
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So they're fighting and it says in verse 7,
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so Ahaz sent messengers to Tiglath,
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Pileser, king of Assyria saying,
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I'm my servant and my son,
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come up and save me out of the hand of the king of Syria
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and out of the hand of the king of Israel,
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which rise up against me.
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And Ahaz took the silver and gold that was found
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in the house of the Lord and in the treasures
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of the king's house and sent it for a present
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to the king of Assyria.
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So he's not relying on the Lord,
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he's relying on this foreign king of Assyria.
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So he takes the money away from the house of God
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and used it to pay off this foreign king
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that's going to help him because he can't trust the Lord
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because he's not actually following the Lord.
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So God's not going to be there for him.
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And so it says in verse number nine
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and the king of Assyria hearkened unto him
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for the king of Assyria went up against Damascus.
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Of course, Damascus is the capital of Syria
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and took it and carried the people of it captive
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to Kerr and Slough reason and king Ahaz went to Damascus
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to meet Tiglath, Pileser, king of Assyria
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and saw an altar that was at Damascus
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and king Ahaz sent to Eurya the priest
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the fashion of the altar and the pattern of it
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according to all the workmanship thereof
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and Eurya the priest built an altar
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according to all that king Ahaz had sent from Damascus.
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So Eurya the priest made it against king Ahaz
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came from Damascus, some strange grammar there
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but that is just because this was translated
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over 400 years ago.
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The bottom line is that he goes to Damascus
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he teams up with some heathen,
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he goes to this heathen capital of Damascus
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and while he's there, he sees an altar
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that he thinks is cool, right?
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So he's basically in a place of false religion,
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idolatry, not worshiping the Lord
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and he just aesthetically likes this altar.
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He just thinks this altar looks really cool.
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The prophet doesn't really tell us what it looks like
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but he gives a very graphic description of this
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and he sends it home to Eurya the priest
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back home in Judah and he says hey,
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you know make this thing
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and basically the idea is he's going to make it
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even before king Ahaz gets home
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he's already going to have the new altar made for him
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according to the specifications that he sends.
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So then when Ahaz gets home
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he's got this cool new altar waiting for him.
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Now we're going to get into that as we go.
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That's the main thing I want to preach about tonight
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is ruining God's house
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because what Ahaz is going to do
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is just totally change everything about God's house
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and get away from the biblical pattern
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and make everything totally different
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and then you know what that's going to lead to
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ultimately is the doors of God's house being closed.
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And I'm going to show you an analog with that
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how churches that get away from the fundamentals of the faith
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and change everything about our doctrine
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change everything about what we believe and preach
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they will eventually shrink and fail and close their doors.
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You know when you start getting away from the word of God
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and clear biblical doctrine
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you know that is just you getting ready to die as a church.
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Okay and I'm going to talk about that a little bit later.
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Let's get into this though.
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It says here in verse number 12
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when the king was come from Damascus
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the king saw the altar
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and the king approached to the altar
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and offered their aunt
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and he burnt his burnt offering
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and his meat offering
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and poured his drink offering
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and sprinkled the blood of his peace offerings upon the altar.
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Remember this is not God's altar
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God had them construct a very specific altar
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and it was a brazen altar
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an altar of brass.
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Now what does brass represent in the Bible?
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This is a representation of the judgment
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and justice of God
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and what's happening on the brazen altar
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is animal sacrifices
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where animals are being killed
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and their blood is being shed
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to make an atonement for sin
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and the picture is of course
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that Jesus Christ is the Lamb of God
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which take away the sin of the world
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and we as human beings
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are all liable of judgment.
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We deserve to be punished
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and judged for our sins
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and God's holiness
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and God's justice
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is satisfied on that brazen altar
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where Jesus Christ
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actually took our punishment for us
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and that's what the brazen altar represents
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a sacrifice for sin
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to satisfy the justice of God.
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God demands justice
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and the sacrifice of Jesus Christ
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satisfies that justice
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and the picture of that
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was the brazen altar
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that was in the Old Testament set up
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whether it was the tabernacle
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or later the temple.
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So that's being put off to the side
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and this aesthetically pleasing altar
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that's just based on how cool it looks
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not that it's based on truth
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or right or justice
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it just looks cool
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that ends up taking the place of
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the brazen altar
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and the brazen altar is put off to the side.
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Look what the Bible says
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he brought also the brazen altar verse 14
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which was before the Lord
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from the forefront of the house
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from between the altar
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and the house of the Lord
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and put it on the north side of the altar
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so basically you know
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if you think about the way the temple is laid out
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you enter the temple through the east
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and when you walk in
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to the temple complex
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the first thing that you're going to come to
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according to God's design
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and God's specification
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is you come to that brazen altar first
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the first stop.
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So if you go back to the Old Testament
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read about the tabernacle
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you walk in
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and the first thing you're confronted with
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is the brazen altar
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where the animal sacrifice take place
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then beyond the brazen altar
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you get to the brazen
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laver
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and you know if you don't know what laver means
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but you probably know the word lavatory
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which is another word for a bathroom
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if you know Spanish lavar
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means to wash
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and so the laver
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is a washing place
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where the priests
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would wash and purify and so forth.
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So if you think about
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the order
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it's like brazen altar
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then you got the washing up place
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the laver
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then you get to the house of God
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right?
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And so if you stop and think about this
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this is symbolic
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we have to get saved first
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you don't clean up your life first
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the first thing you do
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is you get
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your sins taken care of
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through salvation
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through believing on Christ
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through the blood of Christ
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it's like that represents salvation
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being the first step
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first you get saved
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then afterward is the cleaning up
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the washing up your life
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sanctification
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right?
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and then
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it's like
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you first get saved
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then you go to church
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now obviously unsaved people come to church as visitors
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and we want to get them saved
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and preach to them
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but you know
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obviously in order to really be a part of the church
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you have to be saved
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right?
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So it's like
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salvation
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and then you get cleaned up
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then you go to church
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and that's the importance of the order
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but see
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what is he doing here?
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He's taking the most important thing
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that's at the forefront of the house of God
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the brazen altar
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and he's just like
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you know what?
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let's put it off to the side
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like we're not totally getting rid of it
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but we're demoting it
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to being like a side thing
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it's not the focus
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it's not important
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and it's not for you
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you're going to do this
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you know
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aesthetically pleasing
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damascene
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kind of altar
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or whatever
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and so
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the brazen altars
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put on the north side of the altar
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so again
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think about it
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if you're walking in
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from the east
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then basically it's just being put off to the side
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to your right
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because if you're
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if you're walking in the east side
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then north is going to be on your right
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so it's just like
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the altars is pushed off to the side
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and then this stupid
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foreign unbiblical altar
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gets stuck right in the middle
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that's what has the preeminence
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and then it says in verse 15
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and King A.S. commanded you ride to the priest saying
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upon the great altar
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so
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again
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this is the false
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Damascus wicked altar
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upon the great altar
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you know
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maybe just meaning that it's
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it's bigger than what God had prescribed or whatever
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but he says upon the great altar
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burn the morning bird offering
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and evening meat offering
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and the king's burnt sacrifice
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and his meat offering
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with the burnt offering of all the people of the land
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and their meat offering
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and their drink offerings
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and sprinkle upon it
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all the blood of the burnt offerings
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and all the blood of the sacrifice
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I mean look
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basically he's saying
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everything happens on the fake altar
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everything happens on the bogus altar
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except at the very end he says
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the brazen altar
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shall be for me to inquire by
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so it's like
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that's what I'm just going to use that
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we're going to keep it off to the side
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almost like
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something in a museum
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it's like a
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it's like a relic
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or an artifact or something
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so I'm just going to kind of have a little superstitious thing about it
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like
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yeah we'll kind of keep it off to the side
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kind of afraid to get rid of it
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and I'll just go
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I'll just go pray there
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and just like inquire of God there
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maybe use it for some kind of divination
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or maybe just he's just going to
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inquire by it
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he's just going to use it for prayer
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or whatever
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and then it says in verse 16
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thus did you rise to the priest
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according to all that King A.S. commanded
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and King A.S.
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cut off the borders of the bases
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and removed the labor from off them
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and took down the sea
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from off the brazen oxen
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we're under it
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and put it upon a pavement of stones
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he's probably just turning this into money
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he's probably just trying to cash out the brass
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so he takes all the brazen apparatus
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and just replaces it with like a stone
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platform instead for the laborers
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and it says you know the covert
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for the Sabbath
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that they had built in the house
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and the King's entry without
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turned he from the house of the Lord
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for the King of Assyria
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so now that that's what he's doing things for
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he's doing things for the King of Assyria
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it's not for the Lord
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it's not based on what God wants
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and it's hey let's be conformed to this world
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let's have an altar like the Damascus altar
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let's do what the King of Assyria likes
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let's just completely remodel
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and change around the house of God
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and in fact let's just give it a totally different emphasis
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what it used to emphasize
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let's emphasize something else
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and just put the main emphasis
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off to the side as a relic token thing
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and then it says you know
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the rest of the acts of A has are written in chronicles
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let's go over to chronicles
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and look at something over there
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flip over to second chronicles 28
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because here's the thing
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when you totally change everything about God's house
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when you totally ruin it
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and revamp it
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and remodel it
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and deemphasize truth
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and doctrine and salvation
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and what's right in the blood
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you know
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you end up with something unrecognizable
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and ultimately
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it just closes its doors
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look what the Bible says
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in second chronicles chapter 28
2 Chronicles 28 chapter mention
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it says in verse number 22
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and in the time of his distress
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did he trespass yet more against the Lord
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this is that King A has
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for he sacrificed under the gods of Damascus
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which smote him
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and he said because the gods of the kings of Syria
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help them
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therefore will I sacrifice to them
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that they may help me
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but they were the ruin of him
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and of all Israel
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and he has gathered together
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the vessels of the house of God
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and cut in pieces
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the vessels of the house of God
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and watch this
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shut up the doors of the house of the Lord
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and he made him alters
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in every corner of Jerusalem
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so ultimately God's house
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just ends up closing its doors
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and in every several city of Judah
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he made high places to burn incense
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unto other gods
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and provoked
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to anger
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the Lord God of his fathers
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and so you can see here
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that
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what starts out as just
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hey I like that Damascus altar
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let's go ahead and
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you know use it
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ends up just
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ultimately closing the doors of the institution
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now let me ask this
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was A has ever
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right with God or worse
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no A has was always a phony
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he was always bogus
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he was always wicked in the sight of God
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every indication that he is totally unsaved
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okay
-
so the idea here is though
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is that he's unsaved
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taking over
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the house of God
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and then he turns it into something totally different
-
and then ultimately the people end up
-
forsaking and abandoning it
-
ultimately just close the doors
-
because I mean what's the point
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right if you're going to totally get away from
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the whole point of having the house of God at Jerusalem
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then why would you even want to make the trip
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why are you going to drive that far
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why are you going to travel there
-
if it's bogus anyway
-
and so what happens is
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they end up just making alters
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just wherever they live
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just on every street corner
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and in every town
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because what's the point of going to this place
-
if it's not even the house of God anyway
-
because you've turned it into something
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unrecognizable
-
and you say well yeah
-
but it was a really cool looking altar
-
super beautiful and aesthetically pleasing
-
and yet
-
there are beautiful aesthetically
-
pleasing
-
Protestant church buildings
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and yet nobody's showing up
-
because people don't go to church for the architecture
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they go to church for the word of God
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they go to church for the preaching of God's word
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now let me give you a little bit of an analog of this
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here in America
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it's interesting because I was reading this book
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and it had some really interesting statistics
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that I want to read for you
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because here's the thing
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is that in the past in our country
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there were a lot of Methodists
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Presbyterians
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Episcopalians
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and these are known as the mainline denominations
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Lutherans right
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those mainline denominations
-
you know I think that there is a lot of evidence that even
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all the way back to 1776
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they were already starting to fail
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and decline and be on their way out
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but they still hung on for a long time
-
when they really just got completely annihilated
-
was in the latter half of the 20th century
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okay
-
so in the latter half of the 20th century
-
I mean they just went into free fall
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they're just hemorrhaging members
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to the point where now
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they're very insignificant and irrelevant
-
and obviously the vast majority of churches
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that are really growing and thriving and big
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are either Baptist or Pentecostal
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and all of your big non-denom churches
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are pretty much either Baptist or Pentecostal
-
you know they just don't want to tell you
-
but most of your big non-denom churches in this area
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if you look at the statement of faith
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it's either a totally Baptist statement of faith
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or it's a totally Pentecostal statement of faith
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and really the big colossal difference between those two things
-
is whether you believe you can lose your salvation
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because if you believe this salvation is by faith alone
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and you can't lose it
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you know that's the core teaching of being a Baptist
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whereas the Pentecostals are more of a works-based salvation
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they all believe you can lose your salvation
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and so you'll find that there's the
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lose your salvation tongue-talking non-denom churches
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and then there's the kind of a baptistic
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save by faith, can't lose your salvation
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community churches
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and those are the two big ones
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so what happened to the mainline denominations?
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what happened to the Presbyterians
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and the Methodists and the Lutherans
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and the Episcopalians and the Congregationalists?
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you're like what's a Congregationalist?
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but if you look at the early days of our country
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there were tons of Congregationalists
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what is that?
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where are they?
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well let me tell you why these denominations
-
got totally destroyed
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is because they basically did what King Ahaz did
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so I've got this chart in front of me
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and this is a survey that was taken in 1963
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so this is second half of the 20th century
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1963 this is right around the time
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when these Protestant mainline churches
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just started to absolutely go into free fall
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and just shutting the doors of their churches
-
and just losing members like insane
-
so let me give you some survey questions
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and this is thousands of people were surveyed
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in northern California
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church members
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so these are all church members of various denominations
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so here's the first question on the survey
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that I'm going to read for you
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it says
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I know that God really exists
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and I have no doubts about it
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like do you agree that God exists?
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you're sure that God exists
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okay?
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so when it comes to the United Church of Christ
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which is basically congregationalists
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41% said yeah
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yeah we know that God's real
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Methodist, 60%
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Episcopalian, 63%
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Presbyterian, 75%
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Lutheran, everything except Missouri Synod
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73%
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Missouri Synod was 81%
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hey Southern Baptist, 99%
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okay so you can see there's a little difference
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in the Baptist view
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versus these mainline Protestant denominations
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and then when it comes to
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what it labels here as sects
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so that'd just be like
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all different upstart sects
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a lot of which are Pentecostal, Charismatic, whatever
-
you know they're also at like 96%
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of saying that God exists
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so here's the thing
-
your mainline Protestants
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huge amounts of the congregation
-
are like I'm not really sure
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if God even exists
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60% of the congregationalists
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are like I don't know
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if God exists
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and even 33%
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of these different denominations
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Methodists, Episcopalians, whatever
-
I mean that's pretty bad
-
listen to some of these other questions
-
because it gets even worse
-
when you start getting specific
-
that's just the existence of God
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okay how about this one
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Jesus is the Divine Son of God
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and I have no doubts about it
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Congregationalists 40%
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Methodists 54%
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Episcopalians 59%
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and then it's like
-
why are these churches on their way out
-
because they've just become unrecognizable
-
they're not teaching
-
and preaching the Bible anymore
-
as being like hey this is the word of God
-
thus sayeth the Lord
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they became into
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not spiritual salvation
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not you must be born again
-
not the brazen altar
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not the blood of Jesus Christ
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the United Methodist Church famously removed
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the songs from their hymnal
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about the blood
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because they said quote we don't want to have a bloody religion
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take out the blood
-
what are they saying
-
take the brazen altar and put it off to the side
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and when you take the brazen altar
-
and you put it off to the side
-
and it all becomes social gospel
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social justice
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all these liberal community efforts or whatever
-
and then you wonder why your people don't even believe in God
-
or that Jesus is even the Son of God
-
and then how about this
-
it is completely true that Jesus was born of a virgin
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so do they agree with this statement
-
is it completely true
-
that Jesus was born of a virgin
-
the congregationalist
-
21% said yes
-
this is why you've never heard of the congregationalist
-
because
-
only 21% of the members are like
-
yeah Jesus is born of a virgin
-
Methodist
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34% that means 2 thirds
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are denying the virgin birth
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and this is in remember this isn't today
-
today these numbers would be even lower
-
this is 1963
-
this is before
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all the hippies
-
all the sunflowers
-
and all of the hindu rishis
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and gurus coming over with the beetles
-
none of that has happened yet
-
and a lot of people think of the 60s
-
as this liberal wild time
-
that didn't start until the very end of the 60s
-
that's like 1967
-
at the earliest
-
okay
-
the early first half of the 60s
-
you would think it's like the 50s
-
you know it culturally
-
it was only the very end of the 60s
-
that it became all this wild
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long hair dudes
-
taking drugs and all the hippie stuff
-
wait this is before any of that
-
1963 this is the
-
religious state of these denominations
-
and then you wonder why they all just
-
totally
-
hemorrhaged members and closed their doors
-
well it's the same thing you know when A has
-
dramatically changes and remodels
-
the house of God
-
not in accordance with God's word
-
but in opposition to God's word
-
trying to fit in with the world
-
trying to please the heathen
-
well this is what you end up with
-
80% of people saying
-
no virgin birth
-
so what percentage of the Episcopalians
-
believed in the virgin birth
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39%
-
Presbyterians 57%
-
right
-
Lutherans that are not Missouri Synod
-
66%
-
Southern Baptist
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99%
-
right so Southern Baptist
-
does God exist 99%
-
yes Jesus the divine
-
son of God I have no doubts about it
-
99% it's completely
-
true that Jesus was born of a virgin
-
99%
-
definitely Jesus will actually
-
return to the earth someday
-
Southern Baptist 94%
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Congregationalist
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13%
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Methodist 21%
-
and this isn't talking about like
-
the timing of the rapture
-
or whether you're post-trib
-
or pretrib
-
or whether you're post-millennial
-
this is just is there even a second coming
-
of Christ period
-
right and
-
13% of the Congregationalist
-
say yes 21% of the Methodist
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24% of the Episcopalians
-
43% of the Presbyts
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54% of
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mainstream Lutherans
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75% of Missouri Synod
-
Lutherans and then because that's like
-
the more fundamental wing of the Lutherans
-
and then the Southern Baptist
-
are at 94%
-
how about this it is completely
-
true that the devil actually
-
exists
-
Congregationalist 6%
-
believe that the devil even exists
-
and it's like bro he's running your church
-
like how can you not believe in him
-
what the heck so it's like
-
Methodist 13%
-
so 87% of Methodist
-
don't believe in the devil
-
in 1963
-
how many of them
-
believe that the devil exists in the Episcopalian
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17%
-
Presbyterian 31%
-
Southern Baptist
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92%
-
and you know the Pentecostal
-
and other sects and cults and things
-
they're all around like 90% or whatever
-
but the point is here
-
that these mainline Protestant
-
denominations
-
you know they get to a point where it's like
-
oh it's all about the social gospel
-
it's not about the blood
-
get rid of the brazen altar
-
put it off to the side
-
they're emphasizing all these other things
-
and the next thing you know it's like
-
they don't believe in God
-
they don't believe in the virgin birth
-
they don't believe in the miracles of the Bible
-
and let me tell you something they're even worse now
-
this is 1963
-
we're talking over
-
60 years ago
-
when the country basically still looked
-
like the 1950s
-
you know where it's like
-
where men are like going to work in a suit and tie
-
with a hat on and their wife's like
-
at home in the kitchen
-
baking in a fancy dress and everything
-
you know it's just like a totally different culture
-
than now
-
and these mainline denominations
-
are already just completely denying the Bible
-
and then do you wonder
-
why they just completely
-
just lost the market share
-
on religion in the United States
-
of America because there's such
-
a joke and look church of England
-
same thing
-
and you know what right now
-
I don't remember the statistic I hope I'm getting this right
-
I want to say that like
-
6%
-
of people in England
-
go to a Christian church
-
6%
-
of the nation goes to church
-
so the church of England is just a
-
complete joke
-
this used to be a nation where
-
the vast majority of the nation
-
they're all members of the church of England
-
they're all going to church
-
now the church of England is just
-
pretty much gone
-
there are more people today
-
going to a mosque
-
in England than going to a Christian
-
church of any denomination
-
but again
-
the church of England is super liberal
-
bunch of weirdo, lesbian
-
freaks that don't believe the Bible
-
and then they wonder why no one will show up
-
here's the thing
-
the whole point of going to church
-
is to meet with God
-
it's to sing praises to God
-
it's to hear the preaching of God's word
-
it's to have an ear to hear what the Holy Spirit
-
is saying
-
to the churches through his word
-
through the preaching of his word
-
what is even the point
-
of even having church
-
if you don't believe Jesus was born
-
of a virgin well then we might as well
-
just eat, drink and be married because tomorrow
-
we die
-
it's a joke and you know what's so stupid
-
is that there's a logic out there
-
that says
-
well if you be more like the world
-
you can win them to
-
Christ and we have to just
-
be like them to win them
-
and we have to just be seeker
-
sensitive and put aside doctrine
-
get that brazen altar
-
off to the side all that judgment
-
and wrath of God
-
and hellfire and damnation
-
and salvation
-
and you gotta be saved and if you don't
-
get saved you're gonna go to hell
-
put that to the side
-
and behold
-
the beautiful Damascus altar
-
but the problem is
-
when you get rid of your core beliefs
-
when you get rid of
-
what you even stand for
-
you're just
-
announcing the closing
-
down of your church
-
and the death of your church
-
let me say what I've said over and over again
-
you stay great the way that you became great
-
right?
-
churches that were founded on soul winning
-
churches that were founded on hard preaching
-
churches that are up there breathing fire
-
and ripping face
-
and preaching hard on sin
-
and rebuking false religion
-
and aggressively winning souls
-
and preaching hard and ripping on sin
-
and not holding back
-
you know what those churches if they're gonna continue
-
to thrive they have to stay the same way
-
they have to stay the same way
-
and you gotta have
-
some brass going on
-
you gotta have some judgment
-
you gotta have some fire on the altar
-
not just a pretty altar
-
a beautiful altar it needs to be
-
the word of God
-
it needs to be doctrine
-
it needs to be distinct and different
-
see here's the thing why would I want to have an altar
-
that looks like the altar of a false religion
-
when you start trying to copy
-
false religion you die
-
I remember you know something similar
-
happened when I was growing up we were in a church
-
and the church
-
had problems
-
because of nepotism
-
and you know there were just like internal things
-
where like the pastor
-
had put his kids on staff
-
and they're making you know more
-
money than other like more qualified
-
people because they're just nepotism whatever
-
and so there's different fights going on
-
and then the pastor's wife died
-
and then he married a Presbyterian
-
and everybody's like what the heck
-
you know there were just a lot of just kind of
-
dumb things and just kind of
-
strife and whatever and so the church
-
ended up you know losing members
-
you know unfortunately churches go through drama
-
and problems and whatever
-
so the church started losing members
-
and so a lot of people quit the church
-
and they start going to a liberal church
-
down the street which was called
-
First Baptist of Elk Grove
-
and so First Baptist of Elk Grove
-
was just kind of a rock and roll
-
NIV kind of church or whatever
-
non-denom church on paper
-
the doctrines all you know as far as like
-
it's all Baptist on paper you know
-
salvation by faith whatever
-
but they're just liberal
-
not standing for anything
-
super weak super watered down
-
and so what happened is
-
we had gone back
-
we had left the church tried some other churches
-
but eventually you know we're just like
-
hey let's just go back and make it work
-
there so we went back to the church
-
and you know we had
-
some extended you know
-
relatives or people that were connected
-
to our family who had switched over
-
to First Baptist of Elk Grove
-
they came back for a visit
-
at our church and the pastor is
-
asking them hey can you give me that
-
bulletin from
-
the liberal church because he said
-
you know I want to see what they're doing
-
I want to start patterning things
-
after what they're doing and he basically
-
said well if everybody's going to leave
-
and go to First Baptist of Elk Grove then we're just
-
going to become like First Baptist of Elk Grove
-
if people are going to leave
-
and go there we'll just start to become like them
-
well here's what's so stupid about that
-
is if you're going to try to copy
-
the big liberal First Baptist down the street
-
then why wouldn't people
-
just go to the source instead of the imitation
-
so if you understand what I'm saying
-
like if you're
-
a fundamental Baptist if you're
-
preaching heart if you're into soul winning
-
if you're having biblical standards
-
if you're preaching against sin
-
and then you look down the street and there's some
-
non-denom churches growing
-
and thriving and being big or whatever
-
and then you think like oh well let's
-
be a little bit more like them
-
let's be a little more like Damascus
-
and then if we do that
-
then you know we can grow too
-
it's like bro no because here's the thing
-
if you start copying them why wouldn't people
-
just go all the way
-
to the real thing
-
the whole point of being a fundamentalist
-
Baptist is to be different
-
now back then you know notice I was
-
reading statistics from the southern Baptist
-
but here's the thing you know back in the
-
especially in the early 20th century
-
you know a lot of southern Baptists were
-
pretty fundamental
-
you know by 1963
-
you know you still have them
-
answering pretty well on the survey as far as
-
the church members at least
-
in 1963
-
and so in many ways the southern
-
Baptists of
-
the early 20th century
-
or maybe even mid 20th century
-
are analogous to today's like
-
independent fundamental Baptists as far as being
-
you know more fundamental
-
versus the northern Baptists are more
-
liberal okay
-
and so the point is that
-
we are to be distinct
-
we are to be different
-
than this world and when the salt has lost
-
its savor it's good for nothing
-
it's not good for anything
-
and so it's so stupid to think like
-
well if we could just tone down
-
the preaching a little
-
and be a little bit more like the liberal church
-
and be a little bit more like the non-denom church
-
and be a little more like the world
-
and start being a little more permissive
-
and a little more feminist and a little bit more
-
of this and that and the other
-
and thinking that somehow that's going to reach more people
-
first of all even if it did
-
reach more people it's still be wrong
-
because it just writes right and wrongs wrong
-
so like even
-
if it did reach more people it doesn't make it right
-
because we're supposed to just follow
-
the Bible I don't care if
-
everybody loves the Damascus altar we're not doing it
-
we're doing the Brazen altar front and center
-
but here's
-
the thing is the irony is
-
it doesn't even make the church grow
-
it just destroys the church
-
and means that the church is going to close its doors
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because guess what happened to that church
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where the pastor said hey let's
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borrow their bulletin let's see what they're like
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let's start patterning ourselves after them
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you know pretty soon
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the entire church population
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pretty much left to the point
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where you're in this giant building
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and there's like nobody coming
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and so you end up having to downsize
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so they end up selling the building
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moving to a tiny storefront
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and the church just became a tiny
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shadow of what it used to be
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you know why because they
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you know lost their first love
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they lost their distinctives
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and they just became about
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hey let's just do whatever we can to grow
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and you know what's funny is that these
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libtard denominations like the Presbyterians
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Methodists, Congregationalists
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you know ELCA
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Evangelical Lutheran Church of America
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you know they think that by being liberal
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they're going to get more members
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but isn't it interesting how the opposite happened
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and here's the thing the more
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fundamental that you are
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you're actually giving people a reason
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to even show up
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okay
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and at the end of the day like I said it doesn't matter
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because rights right wrongs wrong we're going to do what's right anyway
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we don't care if everybody leaves
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and quits we're still just going to do what's right
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we don't care but here's the thing
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notice our church is thriving
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our church does have
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a great crowd why
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because of the fact that people are showing up for something
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real and as soon as you stop
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offering something real
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then there's no reason to show up
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and that's what happened in the Church of England
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that's what happened to all these denominations
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because basically if people are going to be told
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that Jesus wasn't even born of a virgin
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then it's like well then what are we even doing here
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and you know what's funny
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even the Roman Catholic Church experienced
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something like this at the exact same time
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and obviously the Roman Catholics are totally
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not saved
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not real Christians
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total pagan idolaters they've never
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believed the gospel
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okay but what's interesting
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is if you look at the history
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of the Catholic Church in America
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the Catholic Church in America was
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growing and thriving
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in this country in the
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early 20th century
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okay like I mean their numbers
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are just going through the roof
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a lot of that's from immigration
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because you got all these bunch of Irish
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and Italians and Germans coming over
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all these Catholics immigrate
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because when our country was founded it was like
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totally non Catholic
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you know when our country
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became independent in 1776
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the most Catholic state in America
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was Maryland it's literally
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named after the Virgin Mary Mary land
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it was literally designed
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by Lord Baltimore to be a
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safe haven for Catholics because
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other places like Catholic Catholicism
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was persecuted and not even legal
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because people in America
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a lot of them came here to get away from
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the mother whore Catholic Church and they hated it
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and they're like we don't want the stupid Catholic Church here
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they're super anti Catholic
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in America
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and so Maryland is designed for like
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a safe space for Catholics
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and in 1776
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approximately 3%
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of the population of Maryland was Catholic
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so the other colonies Catholicism
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was virtually nonexistent
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not relevant
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and in Maryland it's 3%
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of the population okay
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but obviously
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as we absorbed huge
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chunks of what used to be Mexico
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right because Arizona
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and California used to belong to Mexico
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as we absorbed all these chunks
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of Mexico we're bringing in a bunch of Roman
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Catholics because the Mexicans were
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predominantly at that time very Catholic
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and then also we had all these
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tons of immigrants come over from
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Ireland, Italy, Germany
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and other Catholic countries and so that
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boosted the Catholic numbers and then once they got
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here though you know they were really
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zealous about Catholicism because
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it was kind of a cultural thing too
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it's like a way to stay connected with the old
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country and they're connecting with all
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their fellow Italians and
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you know Irish and whatever
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and so you had
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like a lot of growth
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and numbers going
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up of the Roman Catholic Church
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in the 20th century
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but what happened well
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guess what around this exact time
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you have what
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who knows
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anyone anyone
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early 1960s what did the Roman Catholic Church
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do a massive major thing
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early 1960s
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exactly Vatican II
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they had their Vatican II
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Council you know and they
-
ended up just radically
-
overhauling the Catholic Church to make it
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more modern and so
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they modernized it and
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one of the things they did is they got rid of
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meatless Friday you know because
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it used to be considered like a big
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sin a big
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sin in the Catholic Church
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if you're eating meat on a Friday
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and so I mean think about this kids are going
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to school and they're having to have
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special lunches they're out with their
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friends on a Friday night they're not eating a cheese
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burger down at the drive-in
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down in and out burger McDonald's
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they're not having a burger until
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midnight clock strikes midnight then they can have
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a burger now this is
-
a stupid arbitrary rule
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that's not found in the Bible
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so the Roman Catholic Church is like
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hey we're going to modernize
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so let's get rid of meatless Friday
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the
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mass is no longer going to be in Latin it's
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going to be in English
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once you put it in English we can figure out
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the nonsense that you're saying
-
you figure out how stupid your sermon is
-
when it's in English how
-
worthless your teachings are so it's like
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oh we're going to put the mass in
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in English we're going to say
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sorry to the Jews and we're not going to
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be against Jews anymore
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you know it's all big misunderstanding we're
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not going to be anti-Semitic no mo
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and they said you know we're
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getting rid of meatless Friday so they
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dramatically overhauled and modernized
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the Roman Catholic Church and you
-
know what it you know what ended up happening
-
just their attendances
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just completely just
-
plummeted as a result
-
why because because then it's like
-
people are thinking like wait a minute
-
why were we even doing meatless Friday then
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if all of a sudden it's just not a sin
-
all of a sudden it's just fine
-
to not do it you know
-
and so they ended up just totally
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just plummeting
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and losing members and just completely
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you know going south
-
and it went from having just
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like you know
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I mean I was reading the statistics in this book
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of just how
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many nuns they had
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how many priests they had
-
how many young men
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are studying for the priesthood I mean it literally
-
just tanked
-
to the point where it's like
-
they're just in freefall
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numbers across the board
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of people just totally abandoning
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the Roman Catholic Church
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which amen praise God
-
and you know of course this is at the same time
-
as you had a bunch of big soul winning movements
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firing up in the 60s 70s
-
and 80s winning Catholics to Christ
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and so thank God
-
for Vatican Council too just making these people
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ripe for the picking
-
realizing that their religion
-
just dramatically changed right before their eyes
-
and so the point is
-
that this idea that says
-
oh if we get more modernized
-
and more worldly
-
and we conform to this world
-
somehow that's going to bring in members
-
it's funny the denominations
-
that have tried to do that
-
whether they were saved or unsaved
-
everybody who tries it fails
-
it doesn't work
-
and so you got to just be
-
who you are
-
you know be Jerusalem
-
have the brazen altar follow the Bible
-
stand for doctrine
-
stand for what's right
-
and don't just sit there
-
and say well we got to just see what's popular
-
and change and whatever
-
because if you're not even distinct
-
what's even the point and you know
-
here's the thing about the independent fundamental Baptist movement
-
is that the independent
-
fundamental Baptist movement used to be
-
a hellfire and damnation
-
hard preaching
-
zealous soul winning movement
-
that's why it was growing
-
that's why it was thriving
-
that's why it was succeeding
-
you see when I was a 17 year old boy
-
walking into an independent
-
fundamental Baptist church
-
for the first time in many many years
-
you know I loved it
-
because it was so different
-
from the liberal churches
-
so I walked in and it was like
-
and it was exciting
-
it was hard preaching
-
the preaching stepping on my toes
-
and getting on my sin
-
and it was everybody's zealous
-
about soul winning and evangelism and everything
-
and they were fired up and preaching hard
-
and it was like man this place is legit
-
this place is the real deal
-
that's how the fundamental Baptist movement was
-
in the 90s
-
but what happened
-
what changed the fundamental Baptist
-
between then and now
-
a big part of it is the internet
-
part of it is the death of brother hiles
-
because he was kind of like a leader
-
of the fundamental Baptist movement
-
and he was a hellfire and brimstone
-
kind of a guy
-
he died and the people who replaced him
-
were just really soft and watered down
-
I'm not saying in that exact ministry
-
I'm saying in America
-
as leaders of fundamentalism
-
but a big part of it is the internet
-
is why
-
what do I mean by that
-
is because now because of the internet
-
if you preach hard
-
if you rip face
-
if you tell it like it is
-
you're going to be persecuted
-
because the whole world is going to find out about it
-
people will take little clips from your sermon
-
they'll grab that hot little clip from your sermon
-
and you will go viral
-
on tiktok
-
instagram, x, facebook
-
whatever because
-
it's all public
-
on the internet
-
so here's the thing these guys in the 90's
-
they're getting up and ripping face
-
and preaching on homos and preaching to get sin
-
and being strict
-
and you know
-
preaching hard and staying strong
-
on doctrine and everything like that
-
but then what happens is now that their preaching is going on the internet
-
they had to tone down their preaching a little bit
-
because they don't want to get busted
-
they don't want to get in trouble
-
that's why you have a guy like Jeff Owens
-
Jeff Owens in the 90's
-
is just screaming and yelling
-
1996 in America
-
we got to stop burning flags
-
and start burning fags
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and he's just saying all these wild things
-
and preaching hard and it's just like
-
he's preaching that in the largest independent
-
Baptist college in America
-
Hiles Anderson college
-
he's the vice president of the college
-
preaching it
-
the crowd's going wild
-
everybody's loving it
-
everybody's supporting it right
-
and then what happens
-
you know the internet comes along
-
and somebody
-
whose name starts with an S
-
and ends in Tivan Anderson
-
uploads
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that sermon to the internet
-
I uploaded that part of the sermon
-
to YouTube
-
I made a YouTube video out of that part of the sermon
-
and it went viral
-
predictably
-
I was there for it
-
I was like yeah this is awesome
-
I liked the sermon
-
the whole sermon is called Struck Blind
-
by Jeff Owens
-
Struck Blind
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so I upload the sermon
-
I upload the clip
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and then they come after Jeff Owens
-
and start persecuting him
-
and he uploads the lamest
-
most faggity
-
apology that you can even imagine
-
he's like hi my name is Jeff Owens
-
and I said some really hurtful things
-
about gay people
-
and I'm really sorry
-
and I didn't even mean those things when I said them
-
I was very young and stupid
-
and immature when I said those things
-
it's like bro you weren't young and immature
-
you were the vice president
-
of the largest independent
-
Baptist Bible college in the world
-
and you'd written two books
-
one of them called Character
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and another one called More Character
-
I mean when you
-
write a book called Character
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and then you write another book called More Character
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and you're the vice president
-
of the biggest independent Baptist Bible college
-
I wouldn't say that you're young and immature
-
you sound pretty stinking mature
-
to me
-
I'm not over here writing books on Character
-
I'm not mature enough
-
someday maybe I'll be that mature
-
but I'm not there yet
-
but it's like
-
oh I'm so sorry
-
and you know oh you know
-
will you please forgive me
-
I literally like I forget
-
how bad his apology was so I have to listen to it
-
like once a year
-
I'm serious I have to pull it out and play it
-
like once a year just to
-
because I can't even process it
-
like my brain can't even grasp it
-
so like I can't remember
-
it's impossible to remember how bad it was
-
so I have to play it like once a year
-
the Jeff Owens apology
-
because it's so bad
-
and it's not just
-
him folks
-
the whole old IFB
-
was ripping face preaching hard
-
and they were growing like crazy
-
now
-
the independent Baptists are in decline
-
right now
-
they just are
-
most of your independent fundamental Baptist church across America
-
are getting smaller
-
they're having to merge with other churches
-
they're declining
-
they're getting less people saved
-
they're big auditoriums
-
high steeple few people churches
-
because
-
what's the point anymore
-
I mean think about it
-
what's the point of going
-
to Hiles Anderson college
-
to get an unaccredited degree
-
so your credits don't transfer
-
anywhere
-
it's totally unaccredited
-
it's not considered a legitimate
-
in this world's eyes
-
bachelor's degree or master's degree
-
what's the point of going there
-
you're going there because it's a special place
-
you're going there because
-
you want to hear all that super hard preaching
-
and you want to be in this super
-
zealous soul winning environment
-
and you want to be in this exciting place
-
that's totally different than devil
-
state university
-
that's why you're there
-
but here's the thing if these places
-
will soften
-
then it gets to a point where it's like
-
the state university
-
and get an unaccredited degree
-
at the state university then to go to this place
-
that's not really that
-
you know different anyway
-
or that fired up anywhere
-
and it's like yeah they're still going to have
-
the clothing standards and the dress standards
-
but what you really need is the face ripping
-
hellfire and damnation preaching
-
that's what people want
-
people want the spirit of god
-
people want
-
the zealous soul winning
-
I'm not criticizing Hal's Anderson
-
I'm just saying that
-
as a whole
-
I'm not singling them out or talking about them
-
in particular I'm just saying
-
that as a whole the old IFB
-
in our area
-
in every area has become weak and watered down
-
I don't see them on the news
-
and going viral
-
you don't see them going viral
-
for ripping on sodomites or ripping on feminism
-
or fighting the cultural battles
-
but if you took
-
if you could dig out there preaching from the 90's
-
it would all go viral
-
you understand what I'm saying
-
and so all that to say this
-
when you
-
deemphasize the blood of Jesus Christ
-
when you deemphasize
-
salvation
-
and soul winning
-
and going out and getting people saved
-
when you deemphasize the wrath and judgment of god
-
when you deemphasize
-
the maybe unsavory
-
or ugly
-
things
-
in the word of god quote unquote
-
which I think is all beautiful but you know what I mean
-
the things that this world would look at is unsavory
-
and you want to put those things off to the side
-
and have a religion that appeals
-
to the heathen
-
and you want to be like the world
-
look the more you do that
-
all you're doing is just
-
speeding up your decline
-
and ultimately the doors are going to close
-
the doors are going to close
-
and you know we could even name
-
churches that had been
-
new IFB type churches
-
that were our friends and in our movement
-
that basically went
-
soft on issues
-
and then they closed their doors
-
or they shrink and get super small
-
you know it's like
-
God's not going to bless that
-
and so Ahaz
-
mutilated God's house
-
went away from sound doctrine
-
changed it
-
and the next thing you know doors close
-
that's the way it works my friend
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and why do you think they closed the doors?
-
they closed the doors because nobody's showing up
-
why did Presbyterians, Methodists, Lutherans
-
Church of England, Episcopalians
-
why did they all close the doors?
-
congregationalist nobody's showing up
-
because it's become unrecognizable
-
and look if faithful
-
word Baptist church is going to continue
-
to be a great church
-
continue to be a soul winning powerhouse
-
continue to reach people
-
continue to grow
-
continue to thrive continue to make an impact
-
we have got to continue
-
to be different
-
than this world
-
we've got to be distinct and different
-
from other churches
-
we're not trying to be more like other churches
-
we're not trying to be more like the old IFB
-
we're not trying to be more like the
-
non-denominational crowd
-
we're not trying to be more like the
-
Protestant mainline type churches
-
no, we want to be distinct
-
we want to be different
-
we want to be hardcore
-
we want to be biblical
-
we want to keep the main thing
-
the main thing and stay on the same track
-
because the way that you stay great is the way that you became great
-
last thing we want to do
-
is say well
-
let's accommodate
-
let's mellow out
-
let's not chill out
-
let's get more fired up
-
let's get wilder
-
let's go crazy
-
why not?
-
and what's funny is
-
some people do think that I have gone a little wild
-
over the last couple of years
-
but I would like for you to name one thing
-
that I've preached or taught in the last two years
-
where you can't find
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the same stuff from 0607
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look it up
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I mean
-
people are constantly like
-
can you believe what Pastor Anderson said
-
and it's just like all the preaching.com
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search transcript
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2006 sermon
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2007 sermon
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2013 sermon
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it's like bro I'm staying the same
-
I'm preaching the same stuff
-
I've made little tweaks here and there
-
but any tweak I make is
-
let's get more biblical
-
let's be hard or core
-
but I don't even think I've become more hardcore
-
I think I'm just preaching the same stuff
-
I've been preaching for 20 years
-
and why would I change if we're succeeding
-
why would I change if we're thriving
-
folks
-
we need to stay distinct
-
we need to stay what we are
-
we are faithful word
-
we are the new IFB
-
and we do not need to become
-
something that we're not
-
we need to stay with what we're doing
-
because that's how you fail
-
as an organization
-
by getting watered down and trying to copy
-
other people
-
that are less successful
-
in the kingdom of God
-
that's what he's doing
-
he's trying to copy Damascus
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I want to be Jerusalem
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we thank you so much for your word
-
and we thank you for
-
this example that we could learn
-
a bad example of Ahaz Lord
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who mutilated your house
-
and changed it
-
and emphasized the wrong things
-
and put the right things off to the side
-
Lord help us to keep the main thing
-
the main thing and stay distinct
-
and stay salty
-
and stay
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fundamental
-
and Lord God I pray that you would bless those
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among the old IFB
-
who are preaching hard
-
and who are staying fundamental Lord
-
and Lord I pray that these
-
lame liberal watered down churches
-
would close their doors Lord
-
so that people could go to good churches
-
and hear good preaching Jesus' name we pray amen