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Rick Warren - Unlocking the Marriage Matrix—Part One

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  1. Everybody longs for deep, lasting love. But strong relationships don't

  2. just happen by accident. Today on Pastor Rick's Daily Hope,

  3. we're continuing our series called Finding and Keeping the Love

  4. of Your Life. Rick Warren will share practical, biblical wisdom

  5. for building healthier, stronger, Christ-centered relationships. So whether you're single, dating, engaged,

  6. or married, this series will help you grow in love, communication,

  7. and lasting commitment. Okay, let's jump right in. Here is

  8. part one of a message called Unlocking the Marriage Matrix.

  9. So I went out this week and I actually looked

  10. up the word matrix in the dictionary and discovered that

  11. the matrix is a dozen different things. It has over

  12. a dozen different definitions and usages. For instance, did you

  13. know that the matrix is the formative tissue around your toenail?

  14. And I thought that was called fungus. But it's a matrix.

  15. Did you know that the matrix is the solid matter

  16. in which fossils are embedded? That's called the matrix. The

  17. matrix is a metal plate used for old type style setting.

  18. The matrix is the primary metal in an alloy. For instance,

  19. iron is the matrix of steel. And the matrix is

  20. the connection between inputs and outputs in a computer. But

  21. as I read through these dozen different definitions of the matrix,

  22. I discovered several that sounded vaguely like marriage. For instance,

  23. the matrix is an intersection of two opposites. Sounds like

  24. marriage to me. The matrix is a relationship in which

  25. something new develops.

  26. Sounds like marriage to me.

  27. The matrix is a binding substance that keeps two things together.

  28. Sounds like marriage to me.

  29. Now, the Bible doesn't call marriage a matrix, but it

  30. does call marriage a mystery. Look at the verse at

  31. the top of your outline, Ephesians 5, 31 and 32.

  32. It says, a man leaves his father and mother and

  33. is joined to his wife, and the two are united

  34. into one.

  35. There's the matrix, united into one.

  36. And this is a great mystery, but it is an

  37. illustration of the way Christ and the church are one.

  38. Now, some of you think, well, if marriage is a matrix,

  39. is it real or an illusion?

  40. And that's really a pretty good question because in today's culture,

  41. is it possible anymore for two people to so love

  42. each other that they would spend their entire lives together?

  43. Is it possible that two could be so bound together

  44. that so bonded together in a marriage that nothing can

  45. separate them except death. Is that possible? We're going to

  46. look at that for the next several weeks. Now I

  47. know what some of you single adults are saying, it's

  48. time for me to go to another church for a month.

  49. And I beg you, please don't do that for three reasons.

  50. Number one, you know some married people who are going

  51. to need this material and you could counsel them. Number two,

  52. you might get married someday in the future. And number three,

  53. even if you don't, you still need to learn as

  54. an adult the relational skills that are applied to every relationship,

  55. not just marriage.

  56. What we're going to talk.

  57. About has application not just to marriage, but to every

  58. single relationship in your life. Now what I want to

  59. do today is first identify the six keys to unlocking

  60. the marriage matrix. And this is kind of a index

  61. to where we're going in the days ahead that we'll

  62. be looking at in more detail. And you're going to

  63. hear some amazing stories that are an example of these keys.

  64. And then number two, I want you to do a

  65. little self-identification, self-evaluation. You know, in physical health, it's good

  66. to get an annual physical checkup. And in your finances,

  67. it's good to do an annual review of your finances.

  68. And in a job, it's good to get an annual

  69. performance review. And even in government, we get an annual

  70. state of the union message. Well, this morning, I want

  71. us to look at the state of your union, your marriage.

  72. And I want you to do a little marriage checkup.

  73. And on each of these keys, I want you to

  74. honestly evaluate yourself.

  75. How am I doing? Does this need work? You write

  76. an NW next to the point. Is this okay? You

  77. write an okay.

  78. Now, God's ideal for your marriage is is harmony and

  79. unity and intimacy. But that's the ideal, and most of

  80. us don't stay there. We go from the ideal, and

  81. pretty soon marriage is an ordeal, and eventually we're looking

  82. for a new deal. And let's make a deal. But

  83. that's not God's goal. God's goal is that you have

  84. these six keys that unlock the potential of your marriage

  85. for it to become all God wants it to be.

  86. Pastor Lance is going to give us the first key.

  87. The first key that we're going to look at in

  88. the marriage matrix is the key of communication.

  89. Communication. Now that's a given.

  90. All of us know that communication is important in every relationship,

  91. but we also know that it's a big problem. Proverbs 13,

  92. 17 says, reliable communication permits progress. If you want to

  93. make progress in your relationship, you have to learn how

  94. to talk to each other.

  95. We know from studies that have.

  96. Been done, 85% of all marriage problems include some kind

  97. of communication breakdown. And you know it in your relationship, I.

  98. Know it in mine. Reminds me of the guy I

  99. saw the other day.

  100. Wearing the t-shirt that said, if a man speaks in

  101. the forest and his wife isn't there to hear him,

  102. is he still wrong? Communication is hard. It's exasperated by

  103. the fact that in our culture, The average person watches

  104. 46 hours a week of television, but the average couple

  105. spends four minutes a day in conversation. It's a problem.

  106. And one of the things that we have to work

  107. on if we're going to really have a successful marriage

  108. is this whole issue of communication. We have to learn

  109. how to put into practice good communication skills. Look at

  110. that verse in Ephesians 4.29. Let no corrupt communication proceed

  111. out of your mouth, but only that which is good

  112. and edifying, that it may minister grace to the hearers.

  113. That's a command to all Christians, but it certainly applies

  114. to our marriages as well.

  115. And we have to learn.

  116. The skill of good communication. And you've seen couples, and

  117. I've seen them, who before they ever get married, they

  118. talk to each other all the time.

  119. They spend hours on the phone.

  120. They spend lots of effort in communication skills. But as

  121. the years go by... They talk less and less until

  122. you see them sitting in the restaurant eating their meals

  123. in complete silence without any meaningful conversation. I remember several

  124. years ago when my wife and I were struggling through

  125. this whole issue of having meaningful conversation. It seems like

  126. all of our talk had just been reduced to who's

  127. picking up the kids and when's our next meeting at

  128. the church. And so to try to help that, I

  129. read a marriage magazine and a guy actually listed several

  130. good starter discussion questions that would lead to meaningful conversation.

  131. So I actually cut them out and would carry them

  132. with me occasionally when my wife and I would go

  133. out as a way to start enhancing our conversation. But

  134. the point is, you've got to work at it. Because

  135. we all have different styles, we all have different needs

  136. when it comes to communication. I communicate in facts, my

  137. wife communicates in emotions. I communicate in sound bites, she

  138. communicates in megabytes. We have different communication styles and different needs.

  139. Someone has said that the average man speaks about 20,000

  140. words a day, the average woman 30,000 a day, and

  141. one woman told me that the reason that's so is

  142. because she has to repeat everything so her husband will

  143. hear her. But you need to set aside time.

  144. Ideally, every day.

  145. At least several times a week, where you just debrief,

  146. where you talk about what's going on in your world,

  147. where you keep the relational connection. And that begins with honest,

  148. authentic conversation when you do that. Now let me give

  149. you one word of warning. speak honestly and communicate the

  150. best you know how. Because one of the things that

  151. causes problems in our relationships is when we begin to

  152. speak in riddles or send hidden messages. Occasionally someone will say,

  153. a woman will say perhaps to her husband, I shouldn't

  154. have to tell you, you should be able to know

  155. this by now. Well, ladies, can I just tell you,

  156. we cannot read your mind. You say, well, you guys

  157. can't be that dumb. Let me assure you, we are.

  158. We don't get it. Spell it out for us.

  159. Speak slow.

  160. You know, write it down. We just don't get it quickly.

  161. Look at Matthew 537. Just say yes and no. When

  162. you manipulate words to get your own way, you go wrong.

  163. All right, now take just a moment right there beneath

  164. point number one and just either write NW, here's an

  165. area that needs some work, or you know what? I

  166. feel like we're pretty much on track with that. And

  167. go ahead and rate yourself right now as Pastor Rick

  168. comes to share the next key.

  169. If the first key of unlocking the marriage matrix is communication,

  170. the second key is consideration. You must be considerate of

  171. your husband or your wife. First Corinthians 1.10 says, you

  172. must learn to be considerate of one another, cultivating a

  173. life in common. Now consideration means not thinking only of yourself.

  174. You start thinking of we instead of me. It means

  175. paying attention to what your spouse says. It means showing

  176. common courtesy. It means respecting and treating them with respect

  177. and with care. Now husbands, we especially need to work

  178. on this consideration. But all of us need to work

  179. on it together. And one of the primary purposes of

  180. marriage is to teach you how to be considerate. Notice

  181. it says there, you must learn to be considerate. Circle

  182. the word learn. Do you know why you must learn

  183. to be considerate? Because you are not by nature a

  184. considerate person, and neither am I. By nature, we are selfish.

  185. I think about my needs, my hurts, my wants, my interests.

  186. I'm not thinking about you. I'm thinking about me. And

  187. one of the whole purposes of marriage is to teach

  188. us to think we, not me. to teach us to

  189. be considerate, because Jesus is considerate. You see, God's purpose

  190. in your marriage is not to make you happy. That's

  191. a benefit of it, but it's not the purpose of marriage.

  192. The purpose of marriage is not to make you happy,

  193. but to make you holy. Because when you get in

  194. a marriage, you don't get your way all the time anymore.

  195. Anybody want to agree with that?

  196. Yeah, you have to learn to be considerate. And so

  197. marriage is a school of consideration. Learning to be unselfish.

  198. And you'll learn it there more than any other place.

  199. Now husbands, as I said, we especially have to work

  200. on this. 1 Peter 3, 7 says, husbands, show consideration

  201. for your wives in your life together so that nothing

  202. may hinder your prayers. Did you know, men, that when

  203. you are inconsiderate to your wife, God doesn't hear your prayers?

  204. If you're out bossing the family around and being selfish

  205. and being controlling and being manipulative or harsh, And inconsiderate,

  206. God says, I'm not going to listen to the prayers

  207. of a selfish man. God, I need your help in

  208. this business deal. Well, you're too selfish. Anytime, one of

  209. the primary goals of life is to teach us to

  210. be unselfish. And the primary school is marriage. And God says,

  211. I want you to learn to be considerate. Now, the

  212. problem is, the longer you stay together, the more inconsiderate

  213. you tend to become. You were most considerate when you

  214. were dating.

  215. Oh, after you. No, no, after you.

  216. And you're very polite and you're very considerate in the

  217. dating stage and then later it's get it yourself. I

  218. read the other day the five stages of a marriage cold.

  219. In the first year of marriage, baby darling, I'm worried

  220. about that sniffle you have. So I've called the paramedics

  221. to rush you to UCLA hospital for a checkup and

  222. a week of rest. Now, I know you don't like

  223. hospital food, so I'm having gourmet meals brought in. But

  224. by the second year, it's, sweetheart, I don't like the

  225. sound of that cough. I've arranged for Dr. Knox to

  226. make a house call.

  227. Let me tuck you in bed.

  228. Year three, it's deteriorated to, you look like you've got

  229. a fever, so why don't you drive yourself over to

  230. the MediStop and get some medicine? I'll watch the kids.

  231. Fourth year, look, be sensible. After you've fed and bathed

  232. the kids and washed the dishes, you really ought to

  233. go to bed. Fifth year, for Pete's sake, do you

  234. have to cough so loud?

  235. I can't hear the TV.

  236. Would you mind going to the other room while this

  237. show's on? You sound like a barking dog. Two young

  238. lovers walked down the street. She tripped and he worried.

  239. Be careful, sweet.

  240. Now married, they walk down the exact same street. But

  241. when she trips, he says, pick up your feet. How

  242. do you show sympathy? How do you show compassion? How

  243. do you show consideration? Well, the next three verses give

  244. us three practical ways. Number one, you might write these down,

  245. by being helpful. Offering practical help. Consideration is seeing what

  246. your mate needs in advance and not having to wait

  247. for them to ask you for help. It's being considered.

  248. Can I help you? It's you taking the initiative. Ephesians

  249. 4 says, show your love by being helpful to each other.

  250. That's consideration. Just being practical and helping each other without

  251. your mate having to ask you. Now that means bringing

  252. in the groceries even if it's the fourth quarter. It

  253. means waiting until both of her legs are in the

  254. car before you shut the door. You know, it's common consideration.

  255. Just thinking about what would be helpful. Number two, sympathize

  256. with their doubts and fears. Sympathize with their doubts and fears.

  257. The Bible says in Romans 15, we must be considerate

  258. of the doubts and fears of others. If we do

  259. what helps them, we will build them up in the Lord. Now,

  260. have you noticed that my fears are always logical and rational?

  261. Your fears are stupid.

  262. They're dumb. They're illogical.

  263. What I'm afraid of, what I have doubts about is

  264. very reasonable. But what you're afraid of, well, you shouldn't

  265. be afraid of it. And that causes a lot of problems.

  266. You're being inconsiderate of the fears and doubts of others.

  267. Don't poo-poo their fears. You know, I grew up in

  268. a home in the country where we never, ever locked

  269. any door. Even when we went away, we never locked

  270. the house. I lived in a house where in my

  271. bedroom actually had an outside door. I often left the

  272. door open all night just to get a breeze. We

  273. didn't have air conditioning and I didn't even have a

  274. screen on it.

  275. And so I.

  276. Wasn't used to a safety feature. My wife, on the

  277. other hand, was raised in a home where the moment

  278. the sun goes down, you pull up the drawbridge.

  279. You fill the moat. You release the alligators.

  280. You turn on 500,000 watts of light shining on your driveway.

  281. You shutter all the windows, and you triple lock the doors,

  282. and then you're safe.

  283. Maybe.

  284. Maybe.

  285. Maybe.

  286. And so we've had this battle over and over about,

  287. did you lock all the doors? Well, I don't think

  288. about locking the doors. It's not in my character. And

  289. usually I get.

  290. In bed, and then she reminds me, did you lock

  291. all the doors? I'm going, oh. Now, true confession, sometimes

  292. I'm considerate. Sometimes I'm going, oh, I.

  293. Don't have a good attitude about it. But God wants

  294. to teach me to be considerate. And he wants to

  295. teach you too. Third way is by forgiving their mistakes.

  296. Forgiving their mistakes. Now, you're imperfect. And you married an

  297. imperfect person. And it's impossible for two imperfect people to

  298. have a perfect marriage. There's no such thing as a

  299. perfect relationship. Because sinners marry sinners. We've all blown it.

  300. And so marriages need massive, massive doses of forgiveness. And

  301. the Bible says in Colossians 3.13... You must make allowances

  302. for each other's faults and forgive the person who offends you.

  303. Remember the Lord forgave you, so you must forgive others.

  304. Forgiveness is one of the primary building blocks of marriage,

  305. and it's a way of showing consideration. Now, the Bible

  306. tells us in James 3 that being considerate is a

  307. mark of wisdom, which means when I'm inconsiderate, I'm a fool.

  308. I'm stupid, I'm dumb, I'm foolish.

  309. Anytime I'm inconsiderate, not just to my wife, but to anybody,

  310. to clerks or anybody else, I.

  311. Am being unwise.

  312. Wisdom is shown by being considerate of the needs of

  313. other people, including offering forgiveness. Now I want you to

  314. evaluate yourself on this one. I want you to put

  315. an NW next to it, means needs work, or put

  316. an okay if you're in denial.

  317. And a liar. Oh, let me introduce CJ and Linda.

  318. Would you give them a warm welcome?

  319. When CJ and I got married, I was 18. I

  320. was the happiest bride that there ever was. But as

  321. the years passed, our lives got busier and we slowly

  322. grew apart. CJ's job took more and more time, and

  323. I began to feel alone and depressed. I felt unloved.

  324. My life became a dark place filled with anger, confusion, self-doubt,

  325. and distrust. Alcohol was more and more a part of

  326. CJ's life, and anger was more and more a part

  327. of mine. The arguments became more frequent, the pain grew greater,

  328. the words harsher, the silences longer, the shouting louder, and

  329. the desperation deeper. I had ignored all the signs, but

  330. I finally faced the truth. There was another woman in

  331. my husband's life. That was devastating to me. I felt,

  332. why has this happened to my perfect marriage?

  333. I was ill-equipped for marriage and parenting. I was inconsiderate

  334. of the needs of my family and I always put

  335. other priorities before them. Drinking became my number one priority

  336. and soon That led to breaking my marriage vows with

  337. unfaithfulness to Linda. My heart hardened, and I became a

  338. full-blown alcoholic, living in lies and denial. At about this time,

  339. two things happened. First, Linda and I began to visit

  340. a church called Saddleback. Second, two of our grown children

  341. confronted us about our deteriorating marriage. They said, it feels

  342. like you don't have a relationship anymore, and we're worried

  343. about that. They also confronted me about my drinking. I

  344. made a commitment to them, and on Friday evening, February 29, 1996,

  345. I drove onto this Church campus and made the longest

  346. walk of my life across a parking lot to settle back,

  347. celebrate recovery meeting. That was the beginning of the restoration

  348. of our dead marriage.

  349. Over the next few months, CJ's joy began to be

  350. noticeable to me. Each time he went to celebrate recovery,

  351. he came home with a greater joy. So I decided

  352. that maybe I should join him. Of course, one of

  353. the recovery steps involves forgiveness, but I never imagined how

  354. much I would have to forgive CJ. One day I

  355. picked up a journal and my eyes fell on words

  356. that I could not have imagined. It was CJ's confession

  357. and his moral inventory. I knew that I shouldn't read it.

  358. I knew that at the right time and in the

  359. right way, CJ would share it with me, but I

  360. violated my own conscience and I read on anyway. My

  361. eyes filled with tears and my heart pounded as I

  362. read all of C.J.

  363. 's dark secrets.

  364. It was all there, some things I knew and some

  365. things I didn't. I was filled with anger and hurt

  366. and resentment.

  367. First, of course I was angry too. What right did

  368. she have to read my secret life? It made me angry,

  369. but I was also very scared. I figured that as

  370. fragile as our relationship was at that time, this would

  371. crush all hope. So I called my sponsor and my

  372. small group partners and got the love and the support

  373. and the wisdom that I needed to handle this crisis.

  374. There were many prayers for our marriage to be saved

  375. with a miracle of forgiveness. Instead of a breakup of

  376. our marriage, God used that crisis to create a breakthrough

  377. of forgiveness.

  378. That was seven years ago, and we don't have time

  379. to tell you now, but so much has happened for

  380. good in our marriage in those years. Both CJ and

  381. I now serve as leaders in Celebrate Recovery, helping others

  382. work through their marriage and relationship hurts. God has been

  383. so good to us, and we are proof that Jesus

  384. Christ can resurrect a dead marriage. It has now been

  385. over seven years since CJ has had a drink, and

  386. we are very blessed. We are more in love today

  387. than ever before. This year we celebrated our 51st wedding

  388. anniversary together. And truly that is God's miracle.

  389. Amen. In closing, we'd like to say that if your

  390. marriage or any other relationship has been damaged by anger, resentment, unfaithfulness,

  391. or any other sin, there is hope and forgiveness in

  392. Jesus Christ. He can make everything new if you will

  393. be honest and give Him all the pieces.

  394. Thank you.

  395. Thank you.

  396. The third key to unlock the marriage matrix is the

  397. key of compromise.

  398. Compromise.

  399. Now, if you've been married longer than a day, you

  400. know that every single marriage has conflict. And that there

  401. are just some things that you're never going to see

  402. eye to eye about. You're not going to agree on everything.

  403. As Pastor Rick has often said, when you have two

  404. people who agree on everything, one of them is unnecessary.

  405. And the reason that God has given you a spouse

  406. is so that you would look through a different set

  407. of lenses. And sometimes it's because of our background. Sometimes

  408. it's because of just our personality and how God has

  409. wired us. Sometimes it's about our own worldview that we

  410. just have a spouse who brings a different perspective to

  411. how we should see life. And as you begin marriage,

  412. you know that there are thousands of things that over

  413. the years you learn to compromise on. to meet in

  414. the middle, to be flexible, to be willing to give

  415. up and yield your own rights. Now, just yesterday morning,

  416. we had an issue about compromise in our own family.

  417. Now, my daughter.

  418. Is 17, and prom is coming up in just a

  419. few days, so over the last couple of weeks, we

  420. have been in prom crisis. And the crisis involves finding

  421. a dress. And so virtually every day, my wife and

  422. my daughter would start out somewhere to go anywhere in

  423. Southern California to find the perfect dress that's the perfect style,

  424. the perfect size, the perfect color. And so finally yesterday

  425. morning after many unsuccessful trips, my wife came to me

  426. and she said, all right, we're coming back with a dress,

  427. how much can we spend?

  428. I said 50 bucks. What?

  429. She had the same reaction you did.

  430. And she said, seriously. And so I upped the ante.

  431. I gave her a much higher figure. It still wasn't enough.

  432. She said, let me tell you what we're going to spend.

  433. And I said, okay, yes, dear. And so I compromised

  434. and did what she wanted. And so now you know

  435. everything I know about compromise. It's just learning to give

  436. in earlier. And after 25 years, I'm a beaten man.

  437. But on big things and small things, if you don't

  438. learn to compromise, it will lead to destruction. Look at

  439. that verse in Mark chapter 3. A home divided against

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  440. itself is doomed. If your marriage is going to be successful,

  441. you have to learn conflict resolution. How to negotiate. And

  442. most of us didn't learn that in the models that

  443. we watched in our own families or people around us.

  444. And we certainly didn't learn it in our schooling. And

  445. so we often learn it the hard way. But virtually

  446. all of those conflicts can be traced back to one issue.

  447. And it's the issue of selfishness. In fact, the Lord

  448. said this. Look in Proverbs 18.1. People who do not

  449. get along with others are only interested in themselves. In fact,

  450. when you go to the New Testament, we discover that

  451. when Paul writes in 1 Corinthians 13, the love chapter,

  452. he basically says that the mark of real love is compromise.

  453. Look at verse 5 of 1 Corinthians 13. Love does

  454. not demand its own way. And time and time again

  455. in every relationship, you have to yield your rights to

  456. having to have your own way and rather deferring to

  457. your spouse and meeting their needs and being willing to

  458. meet in the middle and be flexible and compromise. And

  459. that comes in a thousand different forms in every relationship.

  460. I'll give you one example from our marriage. We have

  461. to compromise about how we like to vacation. My wife's

  462. idea of a great vacation is getting a room right

  463. on the beach with doors that open to the water,

  464. being able to sleep in and relax all day and

  465. perhaps pick up a book and read a book throughout

  466. the day.

  467. My idea of.

  468. Vacation is getting up early in the morning, going exploring,

  469. seeing all the sights, getting out there. But I've learned

  470. through the years it is not a good idea on

  471. the first day of vacation at 630 in the morning

  472. to tap my wife on the shoulder and say, let's

  473. go explore. She's not interested, so here's how we've compromised.

  474. She sleeps in, I get up, I get dressed, I

  475. go out, I explore, I find a Starbucks, I bring

  476. coffee back to the room, serve it to her in bed.

  477. We're both happy. We've learned to compromise. You're gonna learn

  478. to compromise about how you raise your kids, where you

  479. spend your holidays, how much time you spend with the in-laws,

  480. how your house is decorated. You're gonna learn to compromise

  481. on lots of different issues, even the issue of making love.

  482. in your marriage. You know, some of you are wired

  483. like a microwave, some of you are wired like a

  484. crock pot, and you have to learn how to compromise

  485. in terms of how you do it, and then even

  486. when you make love. Again, I'm a morning person, so

  487. early in the morning, I'm wide awake, I'm ready. But again,

  488. 25 years of marriage has taught me if I reach

  489. over and try to touch my wife, I'm dead.

  490. And so....

  491. I'm good, but she's a late night person. She'd rather

  492. sleep in, but late at night, she's great. And so

  493. what we've discovered, what works for us as a compromise

  494. is that four in the morning is the perfect time. See,

  495. I just think it's real early in the morning. She

  496. just thinks it's really late at night. So it's all

  497. about learning to compromise. And it's really, at the end

  498. of the day, it's about learning to be unselfish and maturing.

  499. Look at that last verse in Romans 15, 5. May

  500. God develop maturity in you so that you get along

  501. with each other as well as Jesus gets along with

  502. us all. All right, so rate yourself. How you doing?

  503. Are you flexible? Do you compromise pretty well? Now, put

  504. into practice what Pastor Rick taught us in the last thing.

  505. Be considerate.

  506. If your spouse put okay and you know they need work.

  507. On it, don't say, ha!

  508. Just make that a point of discussion later. But take

  509. a moment and rate yourself. Pastor Rick's going to come

  510. and share the next key.

  511. The fourth key to unlocking the marriage matrix is contact.

  512. It takes communication, consideration, compromise, and contact. I'm talking about

  513. physical touch, physical contact, affection. You can call it cuddling, caressing,

  514. or whatever. Would you write this down? You must touch

  515. to keep in touch.

  516. What a special message from Pastor Rick. And now let's

  517. hear how lives are changing through Daily Hope. Here's Rick

  518. with a letter from one of our listeners.

  519. You know, we get letters and emails from people all

  520. around the world and from all ages. And here's one

  521. that I got from a listener in Indonesia. His name

  522. is Steven and he's 12 years old. He wrote, Dear

  523. Pastor Rick, Thank you for the powerful way that you've

  524. impacted my life. I'm just a 12-year-old schoolboy in Jakarta, Indonesia,

  525. but I listen to the broadcast every morning on the

  526. way to school. My life has changed completely this year.

  527. I'm at a new school, and my family's just about

  528. recovered from some financial problems, but I'm still having to

  529. learn a whole new way of life. Some days I

  530. really feel bad, and I ask God to help me.

  531. But then the Daily Hope broadcast comes on the radio

  532. and you always say something that helps me feel better.

  533. And I know that at that moment, God is trying

  534. to speak directly to me through you. So thank you

  535. ever so much.

  536. Well, thank you ever so much, Stephen.

  537. I love hearing from people like you literally all around

  538. the world who've been impacted through Daily Hope. You know,

  539. by the way, I want to thank all of those

  540. of you who support us regularly through with your financial

  541. gifts every month. We can't do this without you. But

  542. because of you, we're able to minister to people like

  543. this 12-year-old boy, Stephen, in Jakarta, Indonesia. You're never gonna

  544. know this side of heaven, the number of lives that

  545. you have impacted because of your gifts to Daily Hope.

  546. Thank you, thank you, thank you.

  547. When we get to heaven, we're all gonna rejoice and

  548. see the results there.

  549. If you'd like to help support Pastor Rick's Daily Hope

  550. with convenient automated monthly giving, just go to PastorRick.com or

  551. text the word HOPE to 70309. And when you do,

  552. we'll send you a very special welcome gift to say thanks. Again,

  553. that's PastorRick.com or just text the word HOPE to 70309.

  554. And thank you so much for your support.

  555. Be sure to.

  556. Join us next time as we look into God's Word

  557. for our daily hope. This program is sponsored by Pastor

  558. Rick's Daily Hope and your generous financial support.