Sermon
Part 1: Establishing the Text
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Heavenly Father,
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You created the world by Your Word.
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You created the world by Your Word.
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! You make the dead live by Your Word.
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Your Son, Jesus Christ, our precious Lord, His incarnate Word.
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So Lord, we realize that we can't take the study of Your Word too seriously.
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And it's my heart, my prayer this afternoon that You would equip every single one of my
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dear brothers and sisters here.
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That they might cherish Your Word more.
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That might know how to study Your Word more deeply.
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To gain greater faith and confidence in the authority, the reliability of Your Word.
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So to that end, please help us by Your Holy Spirit.
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Give us minds to ask questions, to understand, and to apply what we're learning.
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That it will serve these dear brothers and sisters for the rest of their lives.
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Amen.
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We depend on You, Lord.
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I can't do nothing apart from You.
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So help me.
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So help me.
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In Jesus' name we pray.
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Amen.
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You have it, Jason?
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You look like you had it for a while.
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Why don't you go ahead and read it?
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2 Timothy 3, verse 16.
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All scriptures breathed out by God
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are profitable for teaching, for reproof,
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for correction, and for training in righteousness.
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The man of God may be complete,
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and equipped for every career.
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Can you go ahead and read 15 as well?
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Yeah.
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And how from childhood
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you have been acquainted with the sacred writings,
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which are able to make you wise for salvation
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through faith in Christ Jesus?
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So, this is the most significant text
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on the authority of Scripture itself
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and why it's so significant in the life of a believer.
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And verse 15 gives us one main reason.
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It's that the sacred writings are able
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to make us wise for salvation
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through faith in Christ Jesus.
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It's not the Bible itself that saves us, right?
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We don't worship the Bible.
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We worship Jesus.
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We worship God.
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But the Bible is the means that God has appointed
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through which we come to encounter and meet Jesus.
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Right?
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Because we have...
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No one comes to saving faith
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from simply examining the historical facts
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and looking at the death and resurrection of Jesus
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and then saying,
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oh, that must be God's way of saving us.
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You need a theological interpretation
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of that historical fact.
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How do you just,
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from looking at the fact that Jesus died on the cross
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and was raised from the dead,
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know that that was for our atonement,
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that that's for our vindication and justification.
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You don't know that
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unless you have an authoritative interpretation of that.
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And so that's what Scripture provides for us.
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And that's why Scripture is so important
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for missions work.
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Translating work is so important.
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And that's why even in like areas
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where there's hardly no gospel access at all
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and you read stories of missionaries
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and of how people come to faith in those areas,
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often they'll see a vision from the Lord
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telling them where they can get a Bible,
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where they can meet a Christian,
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direct them to a Bible.
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And it's through the Word that God reveals Himself.
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And so the Scriptures are the ways
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that God has appointed to make us wise
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for salvation through faith in Christ.
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So that's one very, very important reason.
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And then the second reason is given
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in the verses 16 to 17.
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All Scripture is breathed out by God
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and profitable for teaching,
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for reproof, for correction,
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and for training in righteousness
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that the man of God may be complete,
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equipped for every good work.
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And I think people sometimes,
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do you do any more seats?
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You guys good?
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I think we can, in case more people come,
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let me just separate this out here.
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Oh, you guys head down.
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Get some nice times together.
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Bye, Ziya.
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Bye.
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Sometimes people make the mistake of thinking
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that inspiration,
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that the Spirit,
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it resides with the people
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who wrote the books permanently
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rather than the Scripture books themselves,
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the writings themselves.
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In a similar way,
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we think about how, you know,
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someone's inspired performance.
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We say, like,
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the Christian writers were inspired
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to write these things.
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Well, of course,
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the Spirit of God inspired them
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and helped them to write it.
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But the end product,
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the Scriptures,
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what is written,
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the graphe,
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the writings themselves,
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all Scriptures,
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are breathed out by God.
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And what do you guys think that means?
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I have a question.
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Yeah, Tony, go ahead.
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I think I asked it in the first version class.
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Yeah.
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I didn't understand.
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Wait, first what class?
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The first version class.
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No, first class, okay.
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So it says,
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it says, like,
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to make you wise to tell a mission,
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but the preceding,
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preceding versus
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from infancy,
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you have known the Scriptures.
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So this,
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the Scripture is
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before the compilation
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of the New Testament
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that he's referring to.
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Yes.
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So I guess, like,
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how can we say that
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it's the entire current Bible
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that these are the verses
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that it's applying
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to what we have right now?
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Yeah, yeah.
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That's a great question.
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So that's a little bit,
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I'll talk about it a little bit
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because it's an important question,
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but it's a little bit
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outside the preview
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of what I was going to talk about.
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So Tony's question,
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just so you guys could hear me
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if you didn't hear him.
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This was clearly
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before the completion of the canon,
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before the New Testament
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was codified.
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And so it's,
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when it says all Scripture,
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how do we know
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that it includes the New Testament
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and not only,
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not just the Hebrew Old Testament
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through Scripture,
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which is a good question.
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If you turn to 2 Peter,
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2 Peter 3,
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verses 15 to 16.
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It says,
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So we have a clear instance here
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of Apostle Peter
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referring to the writings of Paul
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as the Scriptures
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because he compares it
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to the other Scriptures
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because it's showing
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that he considers them
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to be authoritative.
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If you turn to 1 Timothy 5,
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verse 18.
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It's in the context
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of talking about how
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the church ought to treat elders
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and those elders who rule well
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should be considered worthy
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of double honor,
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especially those labor
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and teaching and teaching.
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And then he cites the Scriptures.
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He says,
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For the Scripture says,
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You shall not muzzle an ox
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when it treads out the grain.
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Do you guys know
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where that comes from?
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Deuteronomy.
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Yeah.
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So that's from
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the Old Testament Scriptures.
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But what about the next one?
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And the laborer
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deserves his wages.
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So that comes from
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Matthew 10.10.
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So that's actually
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Jesus' words.
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The things that Jesus said
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and taught
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and probably the tradition
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of the Gospels
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circulating at the time.
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And he's citing that
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already as Scripture
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on par with the same authority
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as the Old Testament Scriptures.
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Right?
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And so there's some
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definitive clues
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in the Scriptures
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that tell us that
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the New Testament
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is considered authoritative
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as much as
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the Old Testament.
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Does that answer
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your question
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someone, Tony?
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If you have further questions,
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I think I'll question.
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I think I'll read it.
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But I have more questions later.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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That's fine.
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And that's why
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it's important to recognize
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also that it's the
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New Testament apostles
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who are in the same
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authoritative tradition
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as the Old Testament
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Scripture writing prophets.
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It's the apostles
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who have the authority
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as Jesus promised
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and I will bring to remembrance
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by the Spirit
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everything that I taught you.
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And they're the ones
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recorded reliably for us.
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And so all of Scripture,
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I'd say,
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both Old and New Testament,
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66 books of the Bible,
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39 in the Old Testament,
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27 in the New Testament
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are inspired by God.
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Inspired meaning
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breathed out by God.
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Meaning God's spoken.
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And it says that
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it's able to equip us
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for every good work.
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That means it's sufficient
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for us to be able
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to become the kind of Christians
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that God wants us to be.
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You don't need
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additional information.
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You don't need
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additional
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books even.
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That's why
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I know sometimes
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we recommend books
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and we say to people,
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well, that's a must read.
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Biblically,
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there's no must read book
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except for the Bible.
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For the Christian truly,
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there's just the only
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must read book
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because everything
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you need to know
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is already in here.
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And that sufficiency
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is very free.
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You know,
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and if there's something
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that you're wondering
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in your life about,
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you have questions about,
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and you don't really know
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what God wants you to do,
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and you search the scriptures
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diligently and scripture
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says nothing about it,
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then there's an area
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where you can exercise
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freedom of conscience.
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If God hasn't told you
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in scriptures about it,
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then you don't have to know.
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And within the wisdom
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that you derive
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from God's word,
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you make the best decision
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you can.
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And you just seek
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to honor the Lord in that.
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Now,
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that's where we get
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the term inspiration
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of scripture.
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It's talking about
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how God's the one
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who breathed it.
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He's the one who spoke it.
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And as people
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who take the Bible
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seriously in that way,
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that God himself
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spoke these words,
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we obviously can't
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tamper with God's word.
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And we need to make sure
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that the word
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that we are studying
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is the word
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that God intended
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to be written,
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which is why
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the idea of establishing
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the text
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and choosing good translations
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and knowing that
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you're working
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with the right passage
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is so important.
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But how do we know
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that the scriptures
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authoritate?
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You guys have any ideas?
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Because he said it.
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Because what?
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He said it.
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Besides the fact
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that he said
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it was authoritative,
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we know it really is.
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Yeah, Jesus said
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it is authoritative, right?
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And he quotes it
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as authoritative.
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Okay, I thought
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there was another answer.
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That's the answer?
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Yeah.
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No, that's a good answer.
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That's a good answer.
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That Jesus said it
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is good enough for me.
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But how do we know
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Jesus said it?
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Because it's in the Bible.
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Well, it's in the Bible.
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So how do we know
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that what's in the Bible
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is authoritative?
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If that's what...
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That's where Jesus tells us
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that scripture is authoritative.
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You guys see what I'm asking?
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Mm-hmm.
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You have to believe
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that someone wrote down
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that someone did write
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about Jesus' words accurately.
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Okay, yeah.
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So maybe you're saying
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you need to believe
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that someone wrote down
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Jesus' words accurately.
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Jason, what were you going to say?
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Are you trying to get
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at like let the scripture
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enter the scripture?
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Yeah, so there's a principle
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that we call this
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that the scripture
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is self-authenticating.
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And in 1 Thessalonians 2.13
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it says,
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We also thank God
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constantly for this
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that when you receive
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the word of God
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Oh, do I have something here?
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Yeah.
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When you receive
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the word of God
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which you heard from us
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you accepted it
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not as the word of men
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but as what it really is
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the word of God
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which is at work
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in you believers.
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Right?
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Much like
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2 Timothy 3.16 and 17
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when Paul simply said
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all scripture is breathed out
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by God
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and these are scriptures
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there's no proof here
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that scripture is authoritative.
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They don't offer
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that kind of proof.
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They just take for granted
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that when God speaks
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that people will receive
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those scriptures
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as God's word
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and not as the words of men.
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Right?
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And if you look at
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Hebrews 6.13
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it says,
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Since God
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had no one greater
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by whom to swear
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he swore by himself.
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This is
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I'm getting at that idea
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that the Bible
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is the final authority.
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It's the ultimate authority.
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When you're a student
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in grad school
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writing a paper
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then you need to cite
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your proper authorities.
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Right?
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But if you are
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the authority
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on the subject
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you don't cite
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other people
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because you're
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the authority.
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You speak on it
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authoritatively.
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Right?
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God speaks
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on his own authority
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and no one else
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can establish his authority
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and so the word of God
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itself is
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the final authority
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and that has to have
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self-authenticating authority.
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And this is so important
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because until you have
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you could establish
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that the Bible
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and the doctrines
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taught in it
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is fully credible
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as the word of God.
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Until you have
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know beyond a shadow
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of doubt
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that God
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is the author
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of these words
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it's not going to have
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the full intended effect
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in the application
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in our lives.
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But isn't that
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circular reasoning?
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Right?
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Scripture is God's
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authoritative word.
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How do you know that?
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Well because Scripture says
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it's God's authoritative word.
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But why is Scripture
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authoritative?
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Well because it's God's word.
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Right?
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How do you know that?
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Because Scripture says so.
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Right?
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It's like a circular
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reasoning.
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The logic uses
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its own conclusion
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as evidence
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to prove itself
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which makes it circular.
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But because our God
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is triune
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and this logic
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isn't viciously circular.
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And this is where
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the importance
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of the Holy Spirit
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and his testimony
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comes in.
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Look at John 10
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2-3
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and says
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The sheep hear
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the shepherd's voice
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and he calls
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his own sheep
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by name
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and leads them out.
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The sheep follow him
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for they know
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his voice.
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How do the sheep
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follow the right voice?
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God simply says
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the sheep know
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his voice.
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They know how
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to recognize
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his voice.
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1 Corinthians 2
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12-14
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says
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Now we have received
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not the spirit
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of the world
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but the spirit
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who is from God
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that we might
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understand the things
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freely given us
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by God
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and we impart this
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in words
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not taught by
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human wisdom
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but taught by
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the spirit
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interpreting spiritual
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truths to those
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who are spiritual.
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The natural person
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does not accept
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the things
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of the spirit of God
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for they are
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folly to him
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and he is not
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able to understand
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them because
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they are spiritually
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discerned.
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So it's the spirit
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of God himself
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who confirms
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to us that
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what is objectively
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the word of God
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the written scriptures
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is God's word.
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So the trying
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God is working
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in intent
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for the father
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the father speaks
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the word
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he's the one
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that breathes
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out the word
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Jesus is the
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incarnate word
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and the spirit
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is the one
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who attests
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to this
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and confirms
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this in our
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hearts
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and that's why
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unless the spirit
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of God removes
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the veil
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that's over
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our hearts
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and unless
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the spirit
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of God
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shines into
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our hearts
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the light
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of the knowledge
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of the glory
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of God
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in the face
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of Jesus Christ
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it says
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in 2 Corinthians 3-4
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that we cannot
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see the glory
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of Christ
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we cannot
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understand
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it and grasp
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it.
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So then there
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is an objective
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dimension
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to the inspiration
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and the authority
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of God's word
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and there is a
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subjective dimension
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to it.
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The objective
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dimension
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it is objectively
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the authoritative
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word of God
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the written word
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but it is
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subjectively
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confirmed as
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truth
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as God's word
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by the Holy Spirit
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in our hearts
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and this is important
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both of these things
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are important
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because on the one
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hand
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the objective
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dimension
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that the scripture
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is objectively
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God's written
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word
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helps us
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to steer clear
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of radical
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individualism
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and you see
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that in certain
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evangelical circles
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where people say
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things like
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well I
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determine my own
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truth
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whatever I say
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whatever my
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interpretation
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whatever my
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spiritual experience
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is that's truth
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that kind of idea
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that radical
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individualism
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is very prevailing
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in our culture
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you probably heard
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things like
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live your truth
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speak your truth
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create your own
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reality
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but you can't
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do that
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if scripture
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is God's
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objective word
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then we have
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to submit
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to it
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we have to
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subordinate
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all our
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priorities
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and purposes
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and desires
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and thoughts
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to it
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on the other
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hand
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the subjective
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dimension
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helps us
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to steer
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clear of
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what I might
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call
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Catholic
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institutionalism
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which says
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that the church
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determines truth
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right
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individual
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Christians
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cannot be
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left to
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interpret
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scripture
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and determine
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truth for
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themselves
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that would
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render
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Christianity
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subjective
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and so for
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the sake
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of certainty
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and uniformity
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only the church
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the institutional
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church
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can determine
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truth
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but what
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of the fact
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that the church
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itself
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has erred
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and misinterpreted
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scripture
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throughout history
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that the
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popes themselves
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have done
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that
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and 1st
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John 2
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27
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says
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but the
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anointing
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that you
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receive from
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him abides
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in you
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and you
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have no
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need
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that anyone
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should teach
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you
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but as
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anointing
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teaches you
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about everything
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and is true
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and is no
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lie
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just as it
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has taught
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you
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abide
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in him
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right
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this is
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a radical
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teaching
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that all
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of us
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when we
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are regenerated
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we have
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the indwelling
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spirit
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who enables
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us to
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discern
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truth
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who confirms
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the truth
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of God
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into our
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hearts
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so we
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can learn
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the Christians
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who are
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submitted
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to the
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objective
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authority
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of God's
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word
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who are
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guided
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by the
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inward
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testimony
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of the
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Holy Spirit
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who indwells
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them
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are capable
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of discerning
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the truth
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and it's
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this conviction
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that makes
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reformed
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Protestants
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like us
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eager to
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put this
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Bible
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in the
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hands
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of every
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Christian
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you don't
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see that
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kind of
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same impulse
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in Catholic
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circles
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and you
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definitely
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haven't seen
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that throughout
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history
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throughout
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church
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history
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look at
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all the
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major
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Bible
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labs
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that you
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guys
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have
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on
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your
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phones
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almost
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certainly
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every
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single
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one of
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the ones
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that are
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most
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used
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they all
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have
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Protestant
-
evangelical
-
origin
-
it's because
-
of this
-
reformed
-
Protestant
-
conviction
-
this is
-
not to
-
say
-
the church
-
or those
-
who occupy
-
its teaching
-
office
-
the elders
-
have no
-
authority
-
they do
-
have
-
authority
-
and the
-
church
-
tradition
-
and the
-
creeds
-
do have
-
authority
-
for that
-
reason
-
the creeds
-
of church
-
tradition
-
like the
-
Nicene
-
Creed
-
Apostles
-
Creed
-
Chasedonian
-
Creed
-
these are
-
all important
-
for our
-
history
-
but we
-
call them
-
in Latin
-
norma
-
normata
-
which means
-
they are
-
a rule
-
that is
-
ruled
-
and whereas
-
with scripture
-
we call it
-
norma
-
normins
-
it's a
-
rule
-
that
-
rules
-
so yes
-
creeds
-
church
-
authorities
-
tradition
-
have
-
authority
-
to a
-
certain
-
degree
-
but that
-
authority
-
is always
-
subordinated
-
to the
-
authority
-
of scripture
-
it's a
-
rule
-
that is
-
rule
-
and this
-
is a
-
key
-
distinction
-
because
-
the
-
Catholic
-
church
-
for example
-
claims
-
that they
-
have
-
magisterial
-
authority
-
they claim
-
to be
-
the
-
magisterium
-
and that
-
comes from
-
the Latin
-
word
-
magister
-
which means
-
master
-
meaning
-
that
-
according
-
to them
-
the Catholic
-
church
-
has
-
master
-
like
-
authority
-
to determine
-
this is
-
what scripture
-
means
-
this is
-
what it
-
says
-
everybody
-
who disagrees
-
is wrong
-
they have
-
the magisterium
-
but Protestants
-
would argue
-
that no
-
the church
-
does not
-
have
-
magisterial
-
authority
-
they only
-
have
-
ministerial
-
authority
-
the church
-
is a
-
servant
-
of the
-
word
-
and as
-
an elder
-
as a
-
pastor
-
who
-
occupies
-
the teaching
-
office
-
I am
-
a servant
-
of the
-
word
-
I don't
-
get to
-
give a
-
decisive
-
interpretation
-
that everybody
-
must agree
-
with
-
people contest
-
that
-
like the
-
Bereans
-
in Acts
-
contest
-
that
-
is it
-
actually in
-
accordance
-
with the
-
scriptures
-
and so I
-
have a
-
subordinate
-
a servant
-
like role
-
which is what
-
minister means
-
servant
-
so Lucas
-
did you have
-
a question
-
yeah
-
yeah
-
great question
-
so Lucas's
-
question is
-
about
-
apocrypha
-
books that
-
they have
-
added to
-
what we
-
hold as
-
canon
-
as a
-
Protestant
-
canon
-
how does
-
that work
-
so
-
apocrypha
-
just comes from
-
the Greek
-
word means
-
hidden away
-
it means
-
that the
-
origin of
-
their origin
-
is unknown
-
we don't know
-
who wrote
-
them
-
and that's
-
partly why
-
they're
-
questioned
-
did the
-
apostles
-
or their
-
cultists
-
like Luke
-
and Mark
-
actually write
-
them
-
or not
-
and
-
it's not
-
true that
-
Martin Luther
-
just kind
-
of
-
picked
-
because
-
the canon
-
that we
-
have
-
the 66
-
books of
-
the Bible
-
actually
-
is the
-
most ancient
-
canon
-
it's the
-
ones that
-
were historically
-
and universally
-
accepted
-
by the
-
historical
-
church
-
and so
-
even if
-
you look
-
at
-
probably
-
the best
-
Catholic
-
biblical
-
scholar
-
in history
-
is Jerome
-
he's the
-
one who
-
single-handedly
-
translated
-
Latin
-
Vulgate
-
from the
-
original
-
languages
-
and in
-
the introduction
-
to the
-
Latin
-
Vulgate
-
Jerome
-
sets apart
-
the apocrypha
-
as not
-
canon
-
and so
-
this is
-
separated
-
from canon
-
if you look
-
at the
-
Jews
-
and the
-
Old Testament
-
writings
-
you look
-
at the
-
way
-
the Dead
-
Sea Scrolls
-
were preserved
-
the scriptures
-
that we
-
hold from
-
the Old
-
Testament
-
are preserved
-
in these
-
ornate
-
fonts
-
in this
-
really
-
secure
-
containments
-
within your
-
compartments
-
whereas the
-
apocrypha
-
are not
-
given that
-
kind of
-
treatment
-
in terms
-
of scroll
-
the Jews
-
clearly made
-
that distinction
-
and the Jews
-
were the ones
-
who to whom
-
God entrusted
-
the stewardship
-
of the Old
-
Testament
-
canon
-
and so
-
the way
-
we have it
-
from the Jews
-
the way we
-
have it
-
throughout church
-
history is
-
what we
-
have to
-
be in 66
-
books of
-
Bible
-
so
-
I've
-
answered
-
a
-
ask your
-
pastors
-
question
-
on that
-
and I
-
can
-
I'm happy
-
to send
-
you a
-
more detailed
-
answer to
-
that I
-
will
-
if you
-
guys are
-
interested
-
in reading
-
that
-
yeah
-
Tony go
-
ahead
-
yeah
-
yeah
-
we don't
-
know
-
exactly
-
who
-
wrote
-
Hebrews
-
some
-
people
-
say
-
maybe
-
it was
-
Apollo
-
or maybe
-
it's
-
however
-
it was
-
because
-
it was
-
historically
-
accepted
-
the
-
kind of
-
criteria
-
of
-
canonicity
-
that was
-
used
-
in church
-
history
-
maybe
-
by
-
the
-
formulated
-
by
-
Vincent
-
of
-
Lawrence
-
is that
-
it has
-
to have
-
been
-
accepted
-
by
-
all
-
Christians
-
in all
-
places
-
at all
-
times
-
and
-
that's
-
the
-
and
-
this
-
Hebrews
-
can hold
-
that claim
-
better than
-
any of
-
the
-
apocryphal
-
books
-
and
-
the
-
pseudepigrapha
-
is like
-
another
-
category
-
of books
-
that sometimes
-
people study
-
but
-
pseudepigrapha
-
are like
-
known
-
forgeries
-
like they
-
claim to
-
be
-
an author
-
that they
-
are not
-
like
-
book of
-
Enoch
-
claims to
-
be written
-
by Enoch
-
but it's
-
not by
-
Enoch
-
the
-
assumption
-
of
-
Moses
-
right
-
it's
-
like
-
these
-
are
-
not
-
actual
-
canon
-
apocrypha
-
is not
-
canon
-
either
-
but
-
those
-
are
-
even
-
more
-
suspect
-
than
-
the
-
apocrypha
-
yeah
-
go ahead
-
for us
-
is it accurate
-
that all
-
of scripture
-
speaks
-
of each
-
other
-
like
-
the
-
old
-
testament
-
all
-
has a
-
link
-
to
-
the
-
new
-
testament
-
and
-
the
-
new
-
testament
-
all
-
has a
-
link
-
to
-
the
-
old
-
so
-
they
-
are
-
intertwined
-
they
-
are
-
and that's
-
not
-
the
-
case
-
with the
-
mentioned
-
like
-
the
-
scriptures
-
not
-
quoted
-
like
-
the
-
scriptures
-
throughout
-
the
-
new
-
testament
-
there
-
is
-
in
-
jude
-
second
-
pheter
-
there
-
is
-
mention
-
of
-
some
-
random
-
things
-
from
-
the
-
pseudepigrapha
-
but it's
-
not quoted
-
as
-
scripture
-
in the
-
same way
-
Paul quotes
-
Greek
-
philosophers
-
in
-
act
-
17
-
it quotes
-
these things
-
sometimes
-
but it's
-
never quoted
-
as
-
scripture
-
whereas
-
the 66
-
books
-
that we
-
have
-
repeatedly
-
over and
-
over again
-
consistently
-
cited
-
as
-
scripture
-
in the
-
testament
-
so
-
that's
-
another
-
really
-
strong
-
evidence
-
for that
-
I'm just
-
kind of
-
like
-
this is
-
just
-
the
-
intro
-
guys
-
why
-
do we
-
want to
-
study
-
the
-
bible
-
that's
-
why
-
there's
-
no
-
competition
-
to
-
nothing
-
more
-
important
-
than
-
to
-
study
-
than
-
the
-
scriptures
-
for us
-
the
-
text
-
that we
-
have
-
is
-
very
-
authoritative
-
I'll
-
kind of
-
blaze
-
through
-
this
-
because
-
I think
-
I feel
-
like I have
-
a lot of
-
time right
-
now
-
but
-
it always
-
turns out
-
that I
-
don't have
-
enough
-
time
-
there
-
and so
-
I'm
-
just
-
going to
-
anticipate
-
that
-
and then
-
kind of
-
breeze
-
through
-
this
-
where
-
you know
-
I mean
-
how many of
-
you guys
-
have seen
-
Odyssey
-
recently
-
yeah
-
it's
-
a
-
controversial
-
film
-
I know
-
but
-
I'm
-
a
-
classic
-
major
-
how many of
-
you guys
-
have read
-
it
-
yay
-
!
-
so
-
Homer's Odyssey
-
was written
-
in the 8th
-
century
-
BC
-
it's one
-
of the
-
best
-
preserved
-
ancient
-
literature
-
because
-
it was
-
so
-
beloved
-
and so
-
popular
-
and so
-
but
-
even for
-
this
-
best
-
preserved
-
ancient
-
documents
-
there's
-
only
-
about
-
thousand
-
ancient
-
manuscripts
-
of it
-
before the
-
advent
-
of the
-
printing
-
press
-
and
-
then
-
the
-
oldest
-
surviving
-
fragment
-
of it
-
which
-
is
-
only
-
about
-
a
-
paragraph
-
is
-
from
-
the
-
3rd
-
century
-
BC
-
which
-
is
-
five
-
you know
-
you know
-
which
-
many
-
years
-
hundreds
-
of years
-
removed
-
from the
-
original
-
manuscript
-
this
-
is
-
the
-
earliest
-
full
-
text
-
of the
-
Odyssey
-
is dated
-
to the
-
10th
-
century
-
AD
-
which
-
is
-
like
-
1700
-
years
-
removed
-
from the
-
original
-
manuscript
-
if you
-
compare
-
other ancient
-
manuscripts
-
that we
-
have
-
that people
-
teach
-
this is
-
what
-
Homer
-
wrote
-
this is
-
what
-
Caesar
-
wrote
-
the
-
Gallic
-
War
-
they
-
don't
-
have
-
nearly
-
as
-
many
-
attestations
-
but
-
you
-
contrast
-
that
-
with
-
the
-
scriptures
-
and
-
we
-
have
-
5801
-
Greek
-
manuscripts
-
not even
-
that's not even
-
counting the
-
ancient
-
like handwritten
-
manuscript
-
translations
-
there is
-
if you
-
if you
-
count more
-
there's
-
10,000
-
Latin
-
manuscripts
-
!
-
9,300
-
manuscripts
-
in other
-
languages
-
like Syriac
-
and Coptic
-
a whopping
-
total of
-
25,000
-
manuscripts
-
so we
-
have a
-
very
-
very
-
good
-
idea
-
that
-
the
-
scriptures
-
that
-
we
-
have
-
is
-
exactly
-
what
-
was
-
originally
-
written
-
and
-
the
-
earliest
-
Greek
-
manuscript
-
that we
-
have
-
is
-
the
-
Gospel
-
of
-
John
-
and
-
it's
-
dated
-
around
-
125
-
80
-
which is
-
like
-
50
-
years
-
removed
-
from
-
its
-
original
-
authorship
-
and
-
so
-
the
-
art
-
or the
-
study
-
of
-
determining
-
which
-
texts
-
are
-
original
-
what should
-
be in
-
the
-
scriptures
-
is
-
called
-
textual
-
criticism
-
and
-
we
-
have
-
benefited
-
from
-
really
-
hard
-
work
-
by
-
many
-
scholars
-
so
-
like
-
a
-
very
-
renowned
-
scholar
-
named
-
F.J.
-
Hort
-
was a
-
textuals
-
critic
-
according
-
to his
-
lifetime
-
research
-
and study
-
he says
-
he concluded
-
that
-
not more
-
than
-
one
-
thousandth
-
part
-
of the
-
whole
-
New
-
Testament
-
is
-
affected
-
by
-
differences
-
of
-
reading
-
like
-
0.1
-
percent
-
and
-
the
-
Old
-
Testament
-
though
-
not as
-
well
-
attested
-
New
-
Testament
-
because
-
it's
-
more
-
ancient
-
is
-
better
-
attested
-
than
-
any
-
of
-
the
-
other
-
ancient
-
contemporaries
-
there are
-
about
-
11,000
-
Old
-
Testament
-
manuscripts
-
and
-
the
-
mesoretic
-
text
-
is
-
the
-
complete
-
Hebrew
-
Bible
-
that
-
the
-
Jews
-
use
-
which
-
is
-
the
-
basis
-
of
-
our
-
English
-
Bibles
-
and
-
that's
-
dated
-
to
-
the
-
9th
-
century
-
AD
-
and
-
the
-
discovery
-
of the
-
Dead Sea
-
Scrolls
-
have you guys
-
seen the
-
Dead Sea
-
Scrolls
-
it's
-
come to
-
the
-
Boston
-
Science
-
!
-
Museum
-
in
-
the
-
past
-
which
-
is
-
amazing
-
Museum
-
of
-
Science
-
you guys
-
should
-
check
-
those
-
things
-
out
-
sometimes
-
we have
-
a wealth
-
of resources
-
available to us
-
living in the
-
city
-
and
-
nowadays
-
online
-
you can
-
even find
-
digital
-
ways you can
-
view the
-
Dead Sea
-
Scrolls
-
and these
-
things
-
have
-
brought
-
the
-
manuscripts
-
date
-
back
-
far as
-
200
-
BC
-
confirming
-
once again
-
the
-
accuracy
-
of the
-
mesoretic
-
text
-
we have
-
and
-
showing
-
that
-
the
-
Old
-
Testament
-
A good
-
preservation
-
of
-
what was
-
written
-
and so
-
the fact
-
that the
-
Bible
-
is passed
-
down to
-
us like
-
this
-
is really
-
a historical
-
miracle
-
over so
-
many continents
-
so many
-
authors
-
and so
-
many
-
thousands
-
of years
-
and that's
-
because
-
God
-
intended
-
it
-
that way
-
he's
-
preserved
-
it
-
for us
-
and
-
so
-
many
-
people
-
have
-
tried
-
to
-
stamp
-
out
-
the
-
Bible
-
in
-
history
-
right
-
Roman
-
emperors
-
persecuting
-
Christians
-
trying to
-
burn
-
all the
-
Bible
-
and yet
-
it has
-
survived
-
and thrived
-
now
-
and it's
-
part of
-
the
-
Guinness
-
book
-
world
-
records
-
right
-
five to
-
seven
-
billion
-
copies
-
of the
-
Bible
-
printed
-
and
-
it's
-
really
-
a
-
historical
-
miracle
-
the
-
grass
-
withers
-
the
-
flower
-
fades
-
but the
-
word of
-
our
-
God
-
will
-
stand
-
forever
-
so
-
I
-
want
-
you
-
to
-
really
-
don't
-
take
-
this
-
for
-
granted
-
and
-
as
-
English
-
speakers
-
we
-
have
-
we
-
have
-
an
-
embarrassment
-
of
-
riches
-
!
-
there's
-
like
-
900
-
something
-
English
-
translations
-
and
-
no
-
language
-
has
-
had
-
the
-
Bible
-
translated
-
that
-
many
-
times
-
in
-
history
-
we
-
are
-
the
-
beneficiaries
-
of that
-
the
-
Old
-
Testament
-
was
-
written
-
primarily
-
in
-
Hebrew
-
there's
-
some
-
sections
-
of
-
Daniel
-
and
-
Ezra
-
which
-
are
-
written
-
in
-
Aramaic
-
the
-
New
-
Testament
-
is
-
written
-
entirely
-
in
-
Greek
-
and
-
for
-
this
-
reason
-
every
-
English
-
Bible
-
you
-
have
-
is
-
a
-
translation
-
and
-
we're
-
and as
-
I
-
mentioned
-
there's
-
many
-
good
-
translations
-
but
-
for
-
us
-
English
-
speakers
-
perhaps
-
the
-
most
-
important
-
one
-
because
-
of
-
the
-
role
-
it
-
plays
-
in
-
the
-
history
-
of
-
translations
-
is
-
the
-
executed
-
by
-
the
-
Roman
-
Catholic
-
Church
-
the
-
Roman
-
Catholic
-
Church
-
held
-
their
-
services
-
mostly
-
in
-
Latin
-
at
-
the
-
time
-
which
-
most
-
Christians
-
no
-
longer
-
understood
-
at
-
the
-
time
-
they
-
still
-
have
-
Latin
-
services
-
which
-
people
-
understand
-
even
-
less
-
now
-
and
-
the
-
Roman
-
Church
-
violently
-
opposed
-
any
-
attempt
-
to
-
translate
-
the
-
Bible
-
into
-
the
-
common
-
tongue
-
of
-
the
-
people
-
in
-
light
-
of
-
what
-
I
-
talked
-
about
-
earlier
-
magisterial
-
authority
-
versus
-
ministerial
-
authority
-
why do
-
you think
-
they
-
did
-
that
-
why
-
did
-
they
-
not
-
want
-
the
-
Bible
-
translated
-
in
-
the
-
language
-
of
-
the
-
common
-
people
-
yeah
-
they're
-
the ones
-
who have
-
the
-
authority
-
to
-
interpret
-
it
-
rightly
-
everybody
-
else
-
is
-
going to
-
mess
-
it
-
up
-
why
-
entrust
-
the
-
Bible
-
to
-
these
-
people
-
who
-
don't
-
have
-
the
-
God
-
given
-
authority
-
that's
-
it's
-
their
-
theology
-
functioning
-
right
-
and so
-
they're
-
trying
-
to
-
in
-
their
-
own
-
head
-
they
-
think
-
they're
-
preserving
-
and
-
protecting
-
God's
-
word
-
by
-
by
-
killing
-
people
-
who
-
want
-
to
-
put
-
the
-
Bible
-
in
-
the
-
hands
-
of
-
people
-
so
-
that
-
they
-
can
-
be
-
established
-
in
-
the
-
truth
-
of
-
God
-
and so
-
William
-
Tyndale
-
because of
-
this was
-
convicted of
-
heresy
-
and executed
-
strangled
-
to death
-
after his
-
body was
-
burned at
-
the stake
-
as a
-
demonstration
-
to warn
-
similarly
-
minded
-
believers
-
but his
-
translation
-
of the
-
New
-
Testament
-
and the
-
Pentateuch
-
and the
-
OT historical
-
books
-
was finished
-
and it
-
became the
-
first
-
mass
-
produced
-
English
-
Bible
-
it's
-
called
-
the
-
Tyndale
-
Bible
-
it
-
spread
-
like
-
wildfire
-
it
-
became
-
the
-
basis
-
for
-
subsequent
-
English
-
translations
-
of the
-
Bible
-
and
-
people
-
estimate
-
that
-
about
-
90%
-
of
-
the
-
authorized
-
version
-
the
-
King
-
James
-
version
-
is
-
taken
-
directly
-
from
-
Tyndale
-
translation
-
and
-
given
-
the
-
significant
-
impact
-
of
-
the
-
King
-
James
-
version
-
on
-
the
-
English
-
language
-
many
-
scholars
-
very
-
credibly
-
argue
-
that
-
William
-
Tyndale
-
and not
-
William
-
Shakespeare
-
is the
-
most
-
influential
-
figure
-
in the
-
development
-
of the
-
English
-
language
-
and I
-
agree
-
with them
-
and so
-
let me
-
show you
-
guys a
-
diagram
-
of
-
can you guys
-
see that
-
a little bit
-
it shows
-
kind of
-
the
-
family tree
-
of the
-
various
-
translations
-
here's the
-
Tyndale's
-
New Testament
-
English
-
Bible
-
it's
-
the
-
dotted
-
lines
-
are
-
revisions
-
kind of
-
of those
-
translations
-
and
-
kind of
-
the
-
solid
-
lines
-
are
-
kind of
-
like
-
new
-
translations
-
that are
-
being
-
reworked
-
using
-
some
-
of the
-
basis
-
of
-
that
-
older
-
translation
-
these
-
translations
-
here
-
all
-
come
-
from
-
Tyndale
-
even
-
the
-
revised
-
standard
-
version
-
RSB
-
and
-
from
-
which
-
you
-
get
-
the
-
NASB
-
and
-
ESB
-
they're
-
coming
-
from
-
the
-
KJV
-
which
-
came
-
from
-
Tyndale
-
so
-
you're
-
also
-
reading
-
a lot
-
of
-
what
-
Tyndale
-
wrote
-
when you
-
read
-
the
-
ESB
-
and
-
then
-
this
-
was
-
based
-
on
-
some
-
of
-
the
-
older
-
Greek
-
texts
-
we've
-
discovered
-
a lot
-
more
-
new
-
Greek
-
text
-
ancient
-
manuscripts
-
over
-
time
-
and
-
because
-
of
-
that
-
some
-
of
-
these
-
translations
-
at
-
the
-
top
-
are
-
based
-
on
-
the
-
you
-
run
-
into
-
some
-
King
-
James
-
only
-
folks
-
they're
-
really
-
mistaken
-
because
-
the
-
King
-
James
-
version
-
is
-
an
-
amazing
-
English
-
translation
-
no doubt
-
but
-
it's
-
not
-
based
-
on
-
the
-
largest
-
collection
-
of
-
Hebrew
-
and
-
Greek
-
manuscripts
-
and
-
because
-
of
-
that
-
there
-
are
-
some
-
actual
-
mistakes
-
in
-
it
-
that's
-
not
-
what
-
was
-
actually
-
written
-
and
-
so
-
some
-
of
-
the
-
top
-
translations
-
are
-
what
-
we
-
would
-
use
-
now
-
at
-
the
-
top
-
you
-
see
-
an
-
arrow
-
and
-
on
-
the
-
left
-
it
-
says
-
word
-
for
-
word
-
and
-
on
-
the
-
right
-
it
-
says
-
thought
-
for
-
thought
-
this
-
is
-
the
-
kind
-
of
-
a
-
translational
-
philosophy
-
so
-
the
-
translations
-
that are
-
closer
-
to the
-
left
-
are
-
going
-
to
-
try
-
to
-
preserve
-
the
-
exact
-
Greek
-
word
-
or
-
Hebrew
-
word
-
and
-
convey
-
it
-
so
-
that
-
you
-
get
-
kind
-
of
-
word
-
for
-
word
-
meaning
-
and
-
how
-
right
-
are
-
you
-
know
-
they're
-
they're
-
they're
-
focusing
-
on
-
what we
-
call
-
dynamic
-
equivalence
-
so
-
they're
-
even if
-
the word
-
isn't
-
the exact
-
right
-
word
-
they're
-
just
-
trying
-
to
-
communicate
-
the
-
same
-
sense
-
what
-
the
-
word
-
is
-
here
-
to
-
the
-
ancient
-
author
-
this
-
is
-
what
-
it
-
would
-
mean
-
to
-
the
-
21st
-
century
-
reader
-
so
-
they
-
kind
-
of
-
try
-
to
-
give
-
you
-
the
-
sense
-
of
-
it
-
and
-
so
-
formal
-
equivalence
-
on
-
the
-
left
-
dynamic
-
equivalence
-
on
-
the
-
right
-
you
-
could
-
say
-
word
-
for
-
word
-
versus
-
thought
-
for
-
thought
-
is
-
easier
-
way
-
to
-
understand
-
that
-
Tony
-
this
-
group
-
here
-
so
-
these
-
are
-
translations
-
based
-
on
-
Jerome's
-
Latin
-
Vulgate
-
yeah
-
so
-
Wycliffe's
-
English
-
translation
-
was
-
based
-
in
-
Latin
-
Vulgate
-
but
-
Latin
-
Vulgate
-
is
-
not
-
based
-
on
-
the
-
original
-
texts
-
it
-
is
-
based
-
on
-
the
-
original
-
text
-
but
-
Latin
-
Vulgate
-
itself
-
is
-
not
-
the
-
original
-
Greek
-
and
-
Hebrew
-
so
-
because
-
these
-
are
-
translations
-
of
-
a
-
translation
-
they're
-
in
-
a
-
separate
-
category
-
as
-
opposed
-
to
-
these
-
translations
-
that
-
are
-
based
-
on
-
the
-
original
-
languages
-
yeah
-
he did
-
it
-
straight
-
from
-
the
-
Greek
-
first
-
English
-
translation
-
yeah
-
amazing
-
and
-
so
-
let me
-
give you
-
an
-
example
-
this
-
is
-
the
-
most
-
literal
-
formal
-
equivalence
-
translation
-
of
-
John
-
1
-
14
-
Young's
-
literal
-
translation
-
and
-
the
-
word
-
became
-
flesh
-
and
-
did
-
tabernacle
-
among
-
us
-
and
-
we
-
beheld
-
his
-
glory
-
glory
-
as
-
of
-
an
-
only
-
begotten
-
of
-
a
-
father
-
full
-
of
-
grace
-
and
-
truth
-
a
-
little
-
bit
-
stilted
-
right
-
because
-
of
-
the
-
formal
-
equivalence
-
of it
-
it's
-
very
-
close
-
to
-
the
-
original
-
text
-
but
-
it
-
actually
-
kind
-
of
-
obscures
-
the
-
meaning
-
for
-
the
-
modern
-
reader
-
right
-
like
-
what
-
does
-
it
-
mean
-
that
-
he
-
tabernacles
-
among
-
us
-
what
-
does
-
it
-
mean
-
he's
-
the
-
only
-
begotten
-
of
-
a
-
father
-
this
-
is
-
the
-
other
-
extreme
-
of
-
complete
-
dynamic
-
equivalence
-
the
-
message
-
translation
-
this
-
is
-
using
-
Peterson's
-
translation
-
almost
-
almost
-
it's
-
basically
-
a
-
paraphrase
-
the
-
word
-
became
-
flesh
-
and
-
blood
-
and
-
moved
-
into
-
the
-
neighborhood
-
we
-
saw
-
the
-
glory
-
with
-
our
-
own
-
eyes
-
the
-
one
-
of
-
a
-
kind
-
glory
-
like
-
father
-
like
-
son
-
generous
-
inside
-
and
-
out
-
true
-
from
-
start
-
to
-
finish
-
it's
-
easy
-
to
-
understand
-
right
-
that's
-
the
-
that's
-
the
-
appeal
-
of
-
a
-
dynamic
-
equivalent
-
translation
-
but
-
it
-
also
-
kind
-
of
-
obscures
-
the
-
original
-
meaning
-
right
-
it's
-
like
-
what
-
do
-
you
-
mean
-
you
-
moved
-
into
-
the
-
neighborhood
-
like
-
it's
-
like
-
a
-
generous
-
insight
-
there's
-
just
-
like
-
a
-
lot
-
of
-
the
-
more
-
you
-
get
-
to
-
the
-
dynamic
-
equivalence
-
side
-
of
-
the
-
spectrum
-
more
-
you're
-
going
-
to
-
get
-
interpretations
-
of
-
the
-
text
-
masquerading
-
as
-
translation
-
right
-
and
-
so
-
that's
-
why
-
when
-
we're
-
preaching
-
we
-
try
-
to
-
use
-
a
-
translation
-
that's
-
more
-
in
-
the
-
formal
-
equivalence
-
category
-
though
-
not
-
all
-
the
-
way
-
like
-
the
-
young
-
literal
-
translation
-
so
-
ESV
-
has
-
and
-
the
-
word
-
became
-
flesh
-
and
-
dwelt
-
among
-
us
-
we've
-
seen
-
his
-
glory
-
the
-
only
-
son
-
from
-
the
-
father
-
and
-
I
-
one
-
of the
-
best
-
examples
-
of a
-
good
-
word
-
for
-
word
-
translation
-
is
-
the
-
NASB
-
NASB
-
or
-
ESV
-
somewhat
-
and one
-
of the
-
best
-
examples
-
of
-
the
-
dynamic
-
equivalence
-
translation
-
the
-
NIV
-
New
-
International
-
Version
-
Lucas
-
you have
-
a
-
question
-
yeah
-
oh
-
yeah
-
um
-
yeah
-
super
-
like
-
specific
-
question
-
but
-
do you
-
ever
-
read
-
CSB
-
yeah
-
CSB
-
is
-
because
-
I
-
read it
-
but I
-
kind of
-
like
-
sneaky
-
read it
-
like
-
by
-
myself
-
is that
-
your
-
guilty
-
pleasure
-
Lucas
-
wow
-
this
-
doesn't
-
make
-
much
-
sense
-
in
-
ESV
-
I'm
-
just
-
gonna
-
switch
-
to
-
CSB
-
I
-
know
-
now
-
that
-
you
-
say
-
that
-
you
-
know
-
I
-
meant
-
to
-
update
-
this
-
graphic
-
but
-
I'll
-
show
-
you
-
as it
-
is
-
and
-
so
-
this
-
is
-
kind of
-
a
-
this
-
is
-
kind of
-
the
-
literal
-
to
-
kind of
-
formal
-
equivalence
-
spectrum
-
and this
-
is
-
is
-
how
-
readable
-
it
-
is
-
so
-
the
-
higher
-
it
-
is
-
the
-
more
-
readable
-
it
-
is
-
understandable
-
for the
-
modern
-
author
-
but the
-
closer it
-
is to
-
that side
-
the more
-
close
-
it reflects
-
the original
-
text
-
and obviously
-
as a translation
-
you're trying to hit that optimal sweet spot
-
somewhere in the middle
-
and guess who made this graphic
-
whoever publishes the csv made this graphic and so this is very very biased and I would argue that csv is not at the exact optimal center I think the ESV is a little closer to that you know and so this is yeah but that's why I wanted to update this and I tried to find a different graphic but I did find a better graphic
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but I did find a better one but you had to pay for it and I tried to pay for it and then it wouldn't work it's like some random guy who teaches like he's like a youth minister in some church in the middle of nowhere who made this amazing graphic and he wants to charge people but he didn't update the website
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so I could buy it so anyway so you're trying to find a sweet spot
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yeah go ahead Tony
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yeah sure
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how are these
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like how did they
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what was the benchmarking method
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that's a great question
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I cannot answer that question
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I don't know what benchmarks they used
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I didn't look into their methodology
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it's probably not up to MIT standards
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if you're wondering
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all right
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any other questions
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there's some resources here and I do want to take you to a different resource
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if you do want to learn to use Greek tools for Bible study
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there's a really helpful book called Greek for the rest of us
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or if you go to biblical training.org
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you can also see this resource Greek tools Bible study
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and I'm going to take you
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if you have phones and computers
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if you could go to blueletterbible.org
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how many of you guys already use this?
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awesome
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yes okay
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how many of you guys have like a more serious paid software?
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it's like
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you know
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it's like a
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okay
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Jason you don't have one yet?
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I do
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okay
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what do you use?
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logos?
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okay that's great
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that's the one that Todd and Ed used to
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I use a cordis
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which
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logos was not as developed when I was in seminary
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I wish I had adopted that
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but
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if you can go to blueletterbible.org
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this is what it looks like
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Blue Letter Bible just celebrated their 30th anniversary last year
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and
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it's
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hey Ed
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the Blue Letter Bible is actually not that much
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older
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not that much younger than the internet itself
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it's
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at the advent of the internet
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these creators realized
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the internet doesn't have a lot of good content
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it doesn't have any Bible in it
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and so they wanted to put the Bible online
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and put all the related resources online they could
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and that's in the public domain
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and at the time all the hyperlinks were blue
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because whoever created that liked the color blue
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and so that's why they called it the Blue Letter Bible
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and they linked all the different words in the Bible verses
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to make it
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you know
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connected to the various resources
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so it's an amazing resource
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look at that
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there's 38,385 users right now
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so I'm going to show you guys just how to use some of the basic tools on this
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if you look
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go here
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let's see
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I'm going to put Genesis
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1-1
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and here
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when you're going to the Old Testament
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you want to select
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also
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to see
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you know what
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let's just go to ESV for now
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and then let's search for it
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and I'll show you from here
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you go in
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and you'll see all the Bible verses
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and then if you hover over this tools
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do you guys see that?
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do you guys see it?
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yeah
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there are several options
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great cross references
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other Bibles
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commentaries as well
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that's in the public domain
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Charles Spurgeon's commentaries in here
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which is great
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if you want to access John Calvin's commentary
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that's also in the public domain
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free online
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at CCEL
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which is what?
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Christian something
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ethereal library
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Christian classics
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ethereal library
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CCEL
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great resource as well
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if you go to interlinear here
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it's going to
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take you to the
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Westminster Leningrad Codex
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which is
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the oldest full Hebrew manuscript
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we have
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so obviously
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unless you studied Hebrew
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you're not going to know
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what they are
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but
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you can click on them
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and they'll tell you
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so you can click on this
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the Strong's number
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Strong's number is basically
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a scholar in 1890
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named James Strong
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did the meticulous work
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of
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numbering
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every unique
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Greek
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Hebrew
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Aramaic word
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in the original
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Magical Bible
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and so every
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unique word
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has a number
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Strong's number
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which is still widely used
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so you click on the
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Strong number
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and it's going to
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pull up
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every single
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occasion
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instance
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where that word
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is used
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in the Hebrew Bible
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in the Old Testament
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which is very
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very useful
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because then you can
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compare those verses
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and see how those
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how that word is used
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and how it's translated
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by the various
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English translators
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you guys following
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what I'm saying
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and we're going to
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I'm going to have you guys
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do this so you can
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get some practice
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if you have
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smartphones and stuff
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they have an app
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also you could
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just download
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and I hear it's
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very useful
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one more thing
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I want to show you
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is if you're going
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to go to the
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there is a way
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to set it up
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so that
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it shows
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the Hebrew text
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or Greek text
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side by side
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so let's go here
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to Matthew 1-1
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and then
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parallel
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right here
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and then here
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you click
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the Greek text
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which is
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the morphological
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Greek New Testament
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M-G-N-T
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and you click
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that
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and you'll get
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all the Greek text
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isn't that cool
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and then you can
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click into them
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and it'll tell you
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what it means
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and what form
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it's in
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and most
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you know
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most of us
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who've graduated
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from seminary
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are relying on
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these tools
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anyway
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because we forget
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so much
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and we use them
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too
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and so this is
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a great way
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for you guys
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to be able to
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access that
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so we're going
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to practice
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if you guys
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can break into
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groups of maybe
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four or five
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maybe
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would two groups
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at each table
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work
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maybe two groups
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at each table
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you guys okay
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so I'm going
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to pass these out
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I'm going to
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give you guys
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the Hebrew
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and Greek text
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you guys
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kind of
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nice
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chat
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if you have a pen
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or pencil
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this is a great time
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to bust out
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the pen or pencil
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you brought
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so I've given you
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guys
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oh wow
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does anybody
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not have a copy
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you guys have
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enough in each
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table
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you need more
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here
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here
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I've given you
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guys
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kind of
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three different
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translations
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of Exodus
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21
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22 to 25
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and this is
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to show you
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guys the value
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of comparing
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English translations
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so that you
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can get at
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the translational
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issues that exist
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underneath them
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and so
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they're from
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the revised
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standard version
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new international
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version
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and English
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standard version
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and for now
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in your respective
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groups
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I want you to
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not use
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blue letter
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Bible yet
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just compare
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the English
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texts
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and try to
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observe
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where are they
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different
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and how does
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that change
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your interpretation
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and understanding
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of that text
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so just talk
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about that
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for the next
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five to ten
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minutes
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and then I'll
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call you guys
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back
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and share
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all right
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you guys ready
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to talk about
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it
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what did you
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guys find out
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about the
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virgin
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or the betrothed
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yes
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it could be
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man or woman
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yeah
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well no no
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partner
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is
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no
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partner
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is
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it's almost
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always
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woman
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yes
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yes
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yes
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yes
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yes
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yes
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yes
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yes
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it's
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but what
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what is it
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what's a better
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translation
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betrothed
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or virgin
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virgin
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yeah
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virgin
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because
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betrothed
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says a little
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more than
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what the word
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means
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right
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so
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to my knowledge
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Revelation 14
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is the only
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place
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part of us
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is used
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for male
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virgins
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he can't
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use it
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it's almost
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always
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scripture
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refers to
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young
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woman
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of marriageable
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age
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with not
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yeah
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and so
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so
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it's better
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to translate
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as virgin
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betrothed
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seems like
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an over
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translation
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now
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what about
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if his
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passions are
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strong
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or if he's
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past
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her youth
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how'd you
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guys
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what's this
-
blue letter
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I will say
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dictionary
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I can put
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on there
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it's tough
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because there's
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only one
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decent word
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in the bible
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yeah
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so like
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yeah
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I don't know
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like
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where
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it's
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really
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under
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bible
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that's
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yeah
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interpretation
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and so
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Dre is making
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a good point
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that this word
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this Greek word
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is used
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only once
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in the entire bible
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that's what you call
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a hot pox
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legomenah
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it only occurs
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once in the entire bible
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so what context
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do you use
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to determine
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what that means
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it's hard
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so you do have
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to rely some
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on the dictionary
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that are using
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examples
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not only from the bible
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but also other
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Greek literature
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ancient Greek literature
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to supply
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the name
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so what does
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the dictionary say
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it says like
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plump or overwrite
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overwrite
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overwrite
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right
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past
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bloom
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right
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and
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so
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this is a Greek tool
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that I used
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for my classic studies
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you don't really
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get taught this
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in seminary that much
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it's called
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it's from Tufts University
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Perseus.tufts.eu
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it's called
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the Greek word study tool
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and if you put in
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the Greek word here
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it will not only
-
give you occurrences
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in the bible
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it will also give you
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occurrences in
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all extant
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ancient Greek manuscripts
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!
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including
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you know
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Medea
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you know
-
like others
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you know
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poems
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by tragedians
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and
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it's
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so that's very useful
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and if you do a search
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on that
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you find that
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that the word
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is used
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to refer to
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the
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so
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akmas
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is where we get
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the word acme
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means peak
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puper
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is where we get
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the word hyper
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means beyond
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beyond peak
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is what this means
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so overwrite
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beyond prime
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so that word
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akmas
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is used to refer
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to a virgin's
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peak
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peak appeal
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of a virgin
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that place
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so if it's beyond
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that
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what is it
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you're past
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your prime
-
right
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and so
-
which translation
-
gets that right
-
then
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then as we get
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that right
-
it's past
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her youth
-
right
-
and king james
-
version
-
has a similar
-
similar thing
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so
-
who's doing
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what
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did anybody
-
look up
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Mary
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so
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in verse 38
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in Nazmi
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he says
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give
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in marriage
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but ESPN
-
NIV
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just says
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Mary
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should you guys
-
anybody look that up
-
yeah
-
so
-
how did you
-
how did you
-
decide
-
how did you
-
come to that
-
question
-
yeah
-
the word
-
version
-
yeah
-
so
-
that's
-
fascinating
-
did everybody hear
-
what Emme said
-
okay
-
so
-
she's saying
-
that
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in the Nazmi
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it seems
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to be talking
-
about
-
a father
-
giving away
-
his virgin
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daughter
-
in marriage
-
giving in marriage
-
rather than
-
a virgin
-
marrying
-
someone that
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he or she
-
is in
-
betrothed
-
to
-
right
-
and so
-
that's where
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if you do
-
a blue letter
-
Bible search
-
for the word
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give in marriage
-
in verse 38
-
or marry
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you'll find
-
that the word
-
always means
-
to give
-
in marriage
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it doesn't
-
mean to
-
marry
-
and so
-
if that's
-
the case
-
then this is
-
talking about
-
the father
-
giving away
-
his virgin
-
daughter in marriage
-
rather than
-
keeping her
-
as a virgin
-
at home
-
and not
-
about
-
a betrothed
-
person
-
engaged
-
person
-
staying unmarried
-
and then
-
decide to marry
-
the virgin
-
does that make sense
-
you guys following this
-
wait who
-
could just say
-
what
-
yeah go ahead
-
isn't that crazy
-
yeah
-
that's a pretty
-
different interpretation
-
isn't it
-
so it's not like
-
should I get married
-
it's like
-
should you get married
-
yeah
-
whether it's the father
-
deciding
-
should I
-
keep her
-
or keep her
-
as a virgin
-
since being
-
singleness
-
can help with
-
being singularly
-
devoted to the Lord
-
as a context
-
we might be
-
better to keep her
-
but then if the father
-
starts feeling bad
-
she's getting
-
past her pride
-
past her youth
-
and start feeling
-
bad about it
-
then he's saying
-
you know what
-
give her away
-
you're not sinning
-
you guys understand
-
what's going on
-
yeah
-
and rather than
-
so
-
in the ESV
-
what does it mean
-
for the betrothed
-
to
-
to keep her
-
as his betrothed
-
not marry her
-
you guys have a
-
category for
-
what do you say
-
they'll just stay
-
they'll just stay
-
they'll just stay
-
they'll just stay
-
betrothed
-
right
-
that's what that means
-
right
-
that doesn't make any
-
sense
-
right
-
so I think the
-
I think the ESV
-
got that one
-
really wrong
-
even though it's
-
a really really
-
good translation
-
so
-
hopefully
-
you guys can see
-
this with your
-
own tools
-
this is why
-
it's important
-
to look at
-
multiple translations
-
whenever you're
-
reading a Bible
-
it's a good practice
-
to read the same
-
version of the Bible
-
over and over again
-
so you gain
-
singularity
-
but it's also
-
a good exercise
-
to sometimes
-
read the Bible
-
one year
-
in a different
-
translation
-
than you've read
-
before
-
that way you can
-
you can notice
-
some of these
-
discrimencies
-
so thank you
-
for your patience
-
sorry for going
-
this is going
-
long
-
Lord thank you
-
for this time
-
please make this
-
fruitful
-
as they go
-
in their own way
-
in Jesus name
-
we pray
-
Amen
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Thanks
-
may may may
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sank sank