Pastor Tommy from The Spirit of Prophecy

Because, of course, it's supposed to be the Feast of

Trumpets today at sundown on the Temple Mount. And I

see some very humorous videos from Pastor Tommy. And we're

going to let him introduce himself and give whatever background.

Because a lot of people don't like to share their

location and those kinds of things. So I'll just be

polite and we'll just let Tommy introduce himself.

Yeah, I'm Pastor Tommy McMurtry.

I pastor the Liberty Baptist Church in Rock Falls, Illinois.

Today is actually the 15th anniversary of our church, too.

We're going to be celebrating it this Sunday. But yeah,

so special day today. I did not know today was

the Feast of Trumpets. Now I've got to go make

fun of the... I got to make some AI videos

about that.

Well, that's why I thought you were doing some of

your videos, because... It's a little bit more than that,

Pastor Tommy. You have to understand what's going on with

the dynamics. They hold to a seven-year pre-tribulation rapture. So

history and astronomy, because you can prove with the astronomical

records that Passover could have only occurred twice during the

reign of Pontius Pilate. That was in 30 AD or

33 AD. So when you couple that with the Bible

promises of Hosea 6, verse 2, that basically says after 2,000 years,

Hosea 6:2

he would raise us up. They have come to this

crisis of facts because it couldn't have been 30 AD

because that means the pre-tribulation rapture would have had to

happen in 2023, right? So they're desperate. Because they hold

to not only a seven-year tribulation, they also hold to

it must happen on the Feast of Trumpets. It has

to happen this year in order for there to be

a seven tribulation between this Feast of Trumpets and 2033. Now,

compound on top of that, especially American dispensationalists are having

trouble with this because this is the 250-year anniversary of

the United States of America. compounded with the fact today

is the 25th anniversary, which is one-tenth of that, of

the 9-11 attacks on their capital city. So it's creating

a certain anxiety for them, and they're really lashing out

and attacking people that, don't hold to a seven-year tribulation,

don't hold to a pre-tribulation rapture. So I didn't realize

this was also an important date for your church. So

that's very exciting. I'm glad I was able to bless

you in this way. So, you know, as I stated

in my original reach out, you didn't make yourself clear

what your eschatological model was. So can you please clarify

that for us?

Yeah.

So I come from a pre-tribulational dispensational world.

That's what I used to be.

15 years ago when I started the church, I was

rolling out our doctrinal statement for our charter service we

were going to have. And I had a couple of

people challenge me on the end times, not in any

kind of provocative way. They just weren't sure and they

wanted to know more. And I was very disappointed in

the answers I was giving people. And so that got

me studying three-year process. I kind of had to start

from scratch. And so, you know, when it comes to prophecy,

I don't really know how to explain in few words

where I'm at. I have my areas where I'm very dogmatic.

I have my areas where I'm not dogmatic at all.

I'm a historic premillennialist, but at the same time too,

When it comes to the rapture itself, I still separate

the event of 1 Thessalonians 4, the catching away from

the event of Revelation 19. I think I have a

unique way of explaining that that I think is consistent. But,

you know, I believe in fulfillment theology. I believe that

we have been— I don't believe the church in Israel is separate.

I believe the covenant that God made with Israel, it

was— Um, people never had claim on it because of

their biology, but you know, they had claim on it

because they were part of a kingdom, a system, a nation.

And I believe that nation, that people followed Jesus Christ

and the ones who didn't were cut off. And I

believe we are a part of that covenant of that people.

We don't have a continuing city anymore. We used to,

and it was Jerusalem, but we don't anymore. We've been

called away from there. to go into all the world

to preach the gospel to every creature. And so people say,

are you covenant theology? I don't really know because the

problem with all these labels, they all have things I

disagree with. But I guess at the end of the day,

I do believe that we are a continuation of Israel.

I think the biblical word that we see in Hebrews says,

is there were certain carnal ordinances imposed on them until

the time of Reformation.

So I think we're Israel reformed, would be the biblical

way to put it.

But yeah, I definitely don't have a real good label

to make it clear where I am on everything.

No, you don't. And just your comments, it's very hard

for people to decipher that. And let me explain to

you why. Because you're saying that that you're still a dispensationalist,

but you don't adhere to the Israelis being God's chosen people.

So that's a mingling of two different sides of the aisle.

One side of the aisle is dispensationalism. The other side

of that aisle is preterism. And you're taking elements for both.

Yeah, so I reject the dispensational label. I absolutely reject that.

But at the same time, I say this all the

time in my program, there are certain things that people

teach in the name of dispensationalism or that they credit

to dispensationalism that clearly was being taught before dispensationalism was around.

Whenever people hear me say I reject dispensationalism, they often

think I reject a rapture or a literal thousand-year reign

of Christ on earth.

I don't reject those things. I just reject.

many of the teachings of dispensationalism, especially the separating of

the church from Israel. I reject the pre-tribulation rapture. Uh,

you know, so, um, there's so many things I disagree with.

I just, if I tell somebody I'm dispensational, they're going

to get the wrong idea in their mind. But if

I tell somebody too, that I'm like a covenant guy,

they might think I'm a Calvinist or something. And I'm not,

I completely reject those, uh, both of those extremes.

I guess you could say.

Well, let me make this simple for the listener. There

are topics according to the end times that really reveal

what you're trying to say. So do you believe in

a literal millennial reign of Christ?

I do. Okay.

So you actually believe that he will physically return to

this planet.

Yes.

Okay. So that, clears up a lot of things so

let me go the next step so you actually believe

that the rapture the catching away it is actually going

to occur that that isn't an event on a timeline yes.

I don't yes i don't believe in the tim la

hay version of it i don't believe we disappear i

don't believe in a secret rapture i believe in a

i believe when jesus returns every eye will see him

I believe that we will be changed in a moment

of twinkling of an eye. We won't disappear in a

moment of twinkling of an eye. We'll change. We'll become

like him. Those, the dead in Christ will arise and

they will be changed. And then we will be caught

up to meet the Lord and to be protected from

his wrath that he will pour out. Now, I do

not believe, I don't believe the tribulation is God's wrath.

I believe there is a clear distinction in the scriptures

between between what is tribulation and what is God's wrath. Tribulation,

we've been going through it for the last 2,000 years.

I believe there will be a heightened time of tribulation

that is going to come, but tribulation is not God's wrath.

God's wrath does not come until the day of the Lord.

And the Bible teaches that the sun will be dark

and the moon turn of blood before that great notable

day of the Lord comes. So I believe that the...

what people refer to as the seal judgments. I believe

that we're here for all of those. I believe we're

here for the mark of the beast. God's wrath though,

that is distinct. That is something that comes at the

day of the Lord. I believe will be taken out

before he pours out his wrath.

Okay.

So I'll make this very succinct for the people. What

he is saying is, is Revelation chapter 19, verse 15.

Revelation 19:15

Okay.

There Jesus Christ plainly states that what he does at Armageddon,

that's the wrath of God. So Pastor Tommy is saying

that's before that event. I'll go ahead and read it.

to you. Now this is from the New King James Version.

Revelation chapter 19. Now out of his mouth goes a

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sharp sword. That with it he should strike the nations.

And he himself will rule them. With a rod of iron.

He treads the winepress. Of the fierceness. And the wrath.

God Almighty so so pastor Tommy is saying that that

the rapture happens before this stampede across this planet of

the Lord Jesus Christ so that's what you're saying pastor

Tom yes okay okay very good now we have to

I also have to ask the other questions people also

get emotionally charged about because you're not very clear we

have to be very clear in order to relay the gospel. So,

I know this is a pointed question, and I'm sorry,

but I must ask it. Dispensationalists believe that at this event,

all of the unsaved Jews will automatically be saved, having

not accepted Jesus Christ. Do you believe those Israelis that

are unrepentant in Christ will automatically be raptured.

Absolutely not. In fact, I believe they will be destroyed.

I believe God's coming to bring judgment upon them. There

is nothing in the scripture to indicate or to prove

a massive Jewish revival at Christ's return.

That's read into the text.

And as far as my not being clear, if you

want clarity on what I believe, That's where you need

to go to the podcast. The Facebook page is mostly

me having fun. And sometimes I make fun of our

own side and I challenge our own side. I regularly

make my side very upset because I challenge our own

positions in areas where I think we're weak. There are

certain things where I have strong beliefs and convictions. There's

other things where I have opinions. And what you just

asked about I do not believe the scriptures indicate a

future Jewish revival. All the scriptures that people use, because

every dispensationalist that hears this will say, well, they're going

to go to a bunch of Old Testament scriptures and say,

I reject those. Those found their fulfillment in the first

century at things like Pentecost and the work that God

did then.

Those things are not talking about something, you know, in

our future. That's, I believe that's ridiculous.

So, This is a very important question as well. And people,

I'm glad that you put it that way so I

can ask this so people can know. So that is

to say, dispensationalists believe that there's going to be 144,000

Jews during the tribulation that does this great revival. You're

saying yes or no to that?

I say absolutely not. First off, I always ask those people,

where does it call them Jews? For one, in Revelation

7 and chapter 14, where does it call them evangelists?

Where does it show them evangelizing? That is something they

are reading into the text because, again, when they go

to Old Testament passages that were fulfilled in the first century,

they read that into the future. So when they see

in Revelation 7 and 14, those 144,000, They're like, well,

this must be that Jewish revival. But that's absolutely ridiculous.

In chapter 14, they are with the lamb on Mount Zion.

So do all 144,000 get killed during the tribulation? But

there are also people who follow the lamb with us

wherever you go. They seem to be people who have

been around. And the reality is, well, in my belief,

what Revelation 7 is clearly showing us is after we

see the seals, which some people believe the seals are

representative of church history. I'm open to that position, but

it's not my official position. But either way, I believe

what we're seeing in Revelation chapter 6 is we have

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a part of that chapter where you have the martyrs

wanting to know, how long, O Lord, dost thou not

judge and avenge our blood? And I believe we don't

see God judging and avenging their blood until the book

is open. The book cannot be open until the seals

are broken. The seals are not going to be broken

and God is not going to judge the world until

God has fulfilled his promise to Abraham. And that is

that through his seed, all the nations of the world

are going to be blessed. And so I believe the 144,000

that we see are a reference to more than likely

Old Testament saints, in the resurrection, the multitude that no

man could number of every nation and kindred and tongue,

that's people that have been being saved for the last 2,000 years.

So I think Revelation 7 is just showing that before

God fulfills his promise to judge the world and avenge

the blood of the martyrs, God is going to save

a people from all over the world like he promised Abraham.

And so I believe the 144,000 are a reference to.

Show God kept his promise to the fathers about, um,

you know, that remnant, but also that they, he would

have a people from all nations. And so that's what

we're seeing. There's nothing in there indicating a future revival

or this secret group of 144,000 that they don't know

what tribe they are, but God does, you know, that

God's just going to pick some people because their genetics

that's ridiculous.

Um, So you bring up a very good point, and

this is another good way you can present exactly your point.

So many people have this question, and it really makes

a lot of people get stumped. So do you believe

that the two groups mentioned in Revelation chapter 7, then

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there's another 144,000 mentioned in Revelation chapter 14, you believe

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they're the same group?

Yes.

Okay, very good.

All right.

So what you're saying is basically concerning these 144,000 is this.

Irregardless of whether they're a part of the regular church

or not, that's beside the point. What you're saying is

that all the disciples were actually Jews. The problem with

that is only 11 of them were saved. What you're

saying is that the modern Judaist that currently occupy the

modern state of Israel, they are at current point, they're

Judas Iscariots. They have rejected Christ. So that's what you're

succinctly saying.

Yes, they are a fulfillment of the prophecy of an

Antichrist that would come, that was spoken of in 1 John.

That just as the Messiah was prophesied that he would come,

and he came, we see that the reality is if

you are a Jew, a true Jew in that covenant

with God, there is all kinds of Old Testament scriptures

showing them you are to follow the Messiah. Jesus is Shiloh.

Jesus is the prophet like unto Moses. Why is it

that all the Jews who obeyed the commands of the law,

they became the new group?

That doesn't make any sense at all.

No, they were the real Jews, the original Jews, the

obedient Jews. And then we see in the book of Acts,

God revealed, hey, I want people from all nations here. Jesus,

in fact, Jesus was upset at his triumphal entry when

it was just Jews and they weren't ready.

Jesus said, my house should be called a house of

prayer for all nations.

And it's a good study to go back and look

at the passage he was referring to there in Isaiah.

But without going into all that, we see that it

was prophesied that after Christ, there was going to be

an antichrist figure that would come. And so the reality

is those people of Israel who were considered Jews, who

rejected Christ, they started another religion. They started another movement.

And their belief was that Jesus was not the Christ.

Jesus said upon this rock, I will build my church,

which I believe is Peter's confession that Jesus is the Christ.

But what is Satan? Satan has come along and said,

this is not the Christ. Somebody else is the Christ.

And so the thing is, who is the original?

What's the original religion?

It's not the people who rejected the Messiah or the

people who accepted the Messiah. It's the people who rejected

him and believed in another person. And so I do

believe in a future antichrist that's, that's going to come.

And I believe modern day Judaism, it is basically the,

you know, it's a fulfillment of that prophecy of antichrist

that shall come.

This started in the first century.

I mean, John said, even now are there many antichrists

whereby we know it is the last time. So I,

think Judas Iscariot is the perfect, and this is kind

of just how I explain it. I think he's a

good way to explain the start of the Antichrist religion

because of the fact he was a disciple of Christ.

He was somebody who ultimately rejected him. did not have

faith in him, was never saved, and was instrumental in

crucifying him, turning him over to the authorities. And he's

also explained in the same way as the Antichrist, the

son of perdition, and many of those titles they share.

So I think Judas represents the starting of this Antichrist movement.

I think Judaism for the last 2,000 years has been

kind of the embodiment of that. But the fulfillment of

that will ultimately be when another figure comes along that

they accept as the Messiah. And I do believe that's

still to come. And so I refuse to support anything

that denies Jesus as the Messiah and that's looking for another.

It makes no sense for any Christian to support Judaism.

The only area where we should support Jews is is

like in the way we support everyone else, and that's

by preaching the truth and getting the gospel to them.

Boy, that's a mouthful. That's going to upset a lot

of people, but let me try to explain in my

way what you said. Literally, ladies and gentlemen, no one

understands this. He mentioned that Judas was really the first anti-Christ,

and this is correct. It was a follower of Christ...

that joined with the Judaists in their rejection of Jesus Christ.

Now this also can double back into a way how

we Gentiles who were saved are grafted back in that tree.

Take note, Judas hung himself on a tree. But Matthias,

he was grafted back into that tree. So Matthias is

our great hope. Anybody who believes in Jesus are grafted

back into that tree Revelation chapter 9, 10, and 11 there,

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especially the Greek word plorema. We fulfill the olive tree.

So that's what Pastor Tommy is trying to say, that

Jews now, or Judaists, those who practice Judaism, they still

have the opportunity to accept Christ and be saved in

Christ and be re-grafted back into the real tree. Jesus Christ,

the real tree, Well, the Judaist, they've rejected that. So

that's what Tommy is trying to say. So it's very

important that we get these things out in the open.

And now I'm going to cross over to the next one.

Pastor Tommy has started making videos about Calvinism, which even

throws personal friends of mine into confusion. Wait a minute.

I thought he made fun of dispensationalists. How is he then, therefore,

making fun of Calvinists? So can you explain that, why

it is you're going to poke fun at the Calvinists,

and how, if you are different from them, how does

your beliefs differentiate from the Calvinists?

Yeah, so my eschatology is probably closer to a lot

of Calvinists, with the exception of the premillennialism. And I

don't usually have a whole lot of conflict.

With Calvinists on eschatology. It's just on the soteriology.

Dispensationalists, I typically am more with them on salvation, unless

they're dispensational salvation people. And in the independent fundamental Baptist world,

most of them are dispensational, but they reject dispensational salvation. So,

you know, and don't get me wrong, I am friends

with dispensationalists.

I have dispensationalists preaching.

My church, but you know, if you know me, I'm

the kind of person that, you know, I, I like

to have fun with people and not everybody has fun

with that, but I can also take it. And, and

so I don't want people to think I'm like super

hostile towards dispensationalists. I understand why I can come across

that way. But, um, but with the Calvinist too, um,

I just, I absolutely reject the tulip. I absolutely, um,

think that that is false. And I just, I can't

get on board with them there at all. And, you know, I, again,

even my videos, making fun of Calvinists, they're not meant

to be hostile. Um, I do have Calvinist friends as well, but, uh, uh,

these are, these are my ways of challenging people, but

also to kind of having some fun with it.

And, um, but yeah, and, and not everybody takes it

the right way. And, and I, I, I.

Try to do these things in a good spirit, but

it doesn't always come across that way, and I understand why.

Boy, that puts you in a landmine, doesn't it?

Absolutely.

So, TULIP is T-U-L-I-P of capitalism. It means total depravity,

unconditional election, limited atonement, irresistible grace, and perseverance of the saints.

I am sorry that we lost Tommy. I'm not sure why.

I assure you that I did not kick him off

the broadcast. It is possible that he got a phone

call because I know that I have had my own

broadcast interrupted. So I'm not sure what that is about.

But so far, so good. So Tommy says he's still

there on his end, but I don't have his video.

So Pastor Tommy, if you can still hear me, I

just relayed to the people who are different from Calvinists.

They normally won't know what tulip means. So I explained

to them that mode of salvation. So if you're still

with us, I'm not sure why I don't have your video,

but I appreciate your comments and your responses. So what

part of Tulip don't you exactly agree with Tommy?

So I would reject all five points. Totally.

I think when it comes to Tulip, if you go

back to like the Westminster confession, um, it's a lot

more vague than many Calvinists are now. I think you

can spin some of the, those things into truth. So

for example, when it comes to total depravity, um, I

believe we're completely incapable of saving ourselves. I mean, obviously

without the work of God, none of us would come

to a place of salvation or a realization of a

need of salvation. So my problem with total depravity is

when they make it out, like we're not even capable

of rejecting or accepting the gospel. I do think people

have a choice. I think God does give us free

will in those things. the unconditional election. I think there's

ways you can spin that into truth. But to me,

it's the limited atonement one and irresistible grace. Limited atonement,

I do believe that the death of Christ was sufficient

for the entire world. But at the same time, the

only ones who will partake in the benefits of that

are going to be the ones who actually believe. And

so the irresistible grace, is another one too. I can't

find a way to spin that into truth. I do

believe people can resist. Obviously, um, you know, the, the

work of the Holy spirit is a necessity. Nobody is

going to come except the father drum, but I believe

he draws everybody. I believe he's that light that light

at every man that comes in the world. Jesus said,

and I, if I be lifted from the earth, we'll

draw all men unto me. And so then the perseverance

of the saints, um, I absolutely believe in once saved,

always saved.

But my problem with the Calvinist version.

Of that is they put the focus on the believer

in his works, that if you truly are elect, you

will persevere to the end.

In other words, you will keep being a good Christian.

You'll maintain your faith.

You're not going to fall away, all those things. I

believe in the perseverance of the Holy Spirit. I believe

that the proof of of once saved, always saved, is

not in my works.

It's in the work of Jesus Christ. He said it

is finished. He rose again from the dead.

And therefore, since my salvation is not based on my works,

but his works, well, proof of my salvation is based

on his works and not my works. And so I

think Calvinism, ultimately that limited atonement, that is the one

of the biggest problems that if you believe limited atonement,

you have to have the total depravity, the unconditional election.

But I think irresistible grace is also a super easy

thing to disprove. So I just think it's a terrible

way to explain salvation. And I think it takes away

a lot of people's joy. I don't think you're going

to enjoy your salvation. I don't think you're going to

have the security to, and peace that God wants you

to have if you're constantly looking at yourself for evidence

of salvation. No, Jesus Christ, he's the author and finisher

of our faith.

And so, yeah, I.

Think it, you know, when it comes, people, they get

real upset too because it was the big historical position

for a long time. But, you know, I'm willing to

give some grace to people who came out of a

time of when the Catholics had a stranglehold on Europe,

when access to the scriptures was very limited. I do

think there's a lot of good, sincere men during those

times that had Calvinistic beliefs, but good night. You know,

we've got the word of God easily available to us.

We have religious freedom.

How are we still, you know, looking at the scriptures

and salvation in such a archaic way that I think

we should be past this by now.

I think we should be getting better in these areas.

And so I think people's desire to connect themselves to

historical Christians, they've tried to be as much like them

as possible instead of building on what they gave us.

That's what we should be doing. We should be getting better.

And so bless their hearts. Some of our Christian forefathers

that believe the tulip, but we don't have any excuse

to teach things in that way anymore.

Well, I appreciate your response. You were very clear and

to the point. I very appreciate your clear, direct response, Tommy.

So in finishing up here, where are you planning on

going next with your ministry? What are you, like I

already said, you already do dispensationalist, you do Calvinist. What's

on your horizon? What are you looking for here in

the near future that you can expand your ministry into?

Well, I mean, obviously, my main focal point is our

local church. You know, that takes up a majority of

my time. Obviously, that's not what people see. People, most

of the people out there, they know me from the

online ministry. That's something that I do on the side.

And, and, and don't get me wrong.

It's been a big blessing to the ministry of our church.

It's helped a lot of people find out about us. Um, but, um,

I'm more focused on our church right now. Uh, right

now I'm trying to get involved in the prison ministry,

jail ministries, things like that.

Um, but as far as.

My online goals, um, I'm really trying to, um, expand

more in just as far as, uh, having conversations with different,

different people. As an independent fundamental Baptist, we are known

for isolating ourselves, going into our echo chambers, locking ourselves

into a position, and never changing. And I don't think

we should change if we're right, but I think if

we're wrong, we should change. And I think that the IFB,

they're very bad at allowing themselves any kind of legitimate challenge.

And the problem with that is if you have an

error and you never allow yourself to be challenged, and

then you isolate yourself, you're just going to radicalize yourself

in that error. And that's why we see so much

weird stuff in the IFB world and just a lot

of crazies in it.

And I don't want to be that way.

So right now, what I'm trying to do as far

as in expanding on what I'm doing, I have been

trying to have some conversations I've been reaching out to

some pretty big names, and I haven't been able to

get any of them to agree to come on the

program yet or even respond to me yet. But I

wanted to talk a lot about this Christian nationalism, kind

of start talking a lot more about how to apply

our Christian beliefs in the political realm.

And I am very interested in politics.

I did an interview recently with somebody. One of the

questions he was going to ask me, and he never

got to it, Sorry about that. It was, but it

was basically about politics. He notices I don't talk about

that very much. And he was wondering about some of

my political beliefs. And I don't talk about politics a

whole lot, even though I am very interested in it.

Just because for one, when it comes to mainstream politics,

I don't see anybody out there representing my beliefs.

The Republicans certainly don't. And the Democrats definitely don't.

Um, and when it comes to a lot of my

personal beliefs, as far as like even how to implement

those things in government, we're Baptist, we're big separation of

church and state people, but that doesn't mean we can't

have a political opinion or even be involved in politics.

And so there's just a lot of stuff I don't know.

And frankly, what I'm hearing from Baptist is typically really

dumb and unproductive and they're always just wanting to support

Israel and everything. I don't think that's right. And I've

talked to people like Doug Wilson. I had him on

the program once. I want to have him back on.

But the post-millennial crowd, what they typically say about politics,

I find intriguing. And I agree with a lot of

stuff they say. There's a bunch of other things they

talk about where I have questions. And so I'm looking

for some people that I can talk to about that.

And I would like to start kind of discussing more

political things on the program, but I'm still trying to

figure out where I am on some of that stuff.

All right. You bring up a very important point. So

you've by yourself admission, you are an independent fundamental Baptist.

So I've had people question me. They've heard of the

new independent fundamental Baptist. Are those two different things?

Yes, yes.

So they're similar in some areas, but I'm an independent

fundamental Baptist. I used to fellowship with a new independent

fundamental Baptist, but basically, while the new independent fundamental Baptist,

they have certain things right, like eschatology. When it comes

to a lot of the flaws of the IFB, they

have all those flaws and then some.

You know, they're even more isolated.

They're just even more radical on certain things. And I just,

you know, couldn't really handle the crazy in that crowd.

But they would definitely align more with me on end

times and things like that. But I guess this is

the way I explain it. I'm like the new independent

fundamental Baptist when it comes to eschatology. I'm more like

the independent fundamental Baptist when it comes to living life.

And so.

When it comes to end times, we might not even

be around when the tribulation comes. Jesus might not return

until long after I'm gone. So in reality, my beliefs

on those things don't really affect my day-to-day life. But

teaching on being a husband, father, neighbor, Christian, That's everyday life.

And I'm IFB when it comes to those things. And

I'm very different from the new IFB who they just

kind of, you know, they take a position, you know,

and just try to go to extremes with it.

And they're just very ungodly. So that's kind of, but.

As far as the differences though, they're definitely in a

different camp.

Okay.

All right. Thank you. You made that very clear because,

you know, that's one of the things that those of

us that are outside those camps, we really have a

hard time navigating those types of things, the different denominations

that we're not familiar with. For example, let's say that

I'm Orthodox. You saying you're independent fundamental Baptist, that requires

a big definition. And I I want to thank you

so much for clarifying that for the people in the

other nations that still hold to Jesus Christ. So this

has been a very good, insightful, informative interview, and I

really do appreciate you coming on, Pastor Tommy. So how

can people get a hold of you? I'm sure you've

got a web address and all that good stuff. Give

out any information you would like to give out.

Yeah, so my YouTube channel is The Spirit of Prophecy Podcast.

I'm on Facebook, just as Tommy McMurtry, or The Spirit

of Prophecy Podcast is where I share the funny stuff.

My email's lbcofrockfalls at gmail.com.

That's the best place to get a hold of me.

I also have a preaching YouTube channel where we do

all the church stuff. That's Liberty Baptist Church of Rock Falls, Illinois.

And I'm on Instagram and Twitter and things like that.

I don't really do much on those platforms. Facebook and

YouTube is where I'm most active. If you reach out

to me on those other platforms, you might not hear anything.

All right. Well, thank you, Pastor Tommy, and God bless.

You have been fantastic. Quite a blessing to us today

and very informative for all those people who just didn't

understand where you were coming from. And I appreciate and

I support your performance and your desire to get the

gospel out there. We fully support your mission and what

we're doing and especially your lightheartedness in doing so. So

thank you so much for being on the program. Till

next time, ladies and gentlemen. You're welcome. Until next time,

ladies and gentlemen, God bless.

Godspeed.