Start With Why with Pastor Clayton Tyner

Welcome to the MetaCurch Podcast.

My name's Clayton.

I'm the pastor here at MetaCurch.

And my hope is that today's podcast finds you at the perfect time in your life that God uses it to inspire and enlighten you.

I hope that you enjoy today's message.

Well, MetaCurch, we want to welcome you into our service today.

Um, man, we have been going at this online only thing for a while now.

In fact, we've decided to fully embrace it.

We're not able to meet together and move together right now, and so we've decided that we are gonna stream together and serve together.

They can shut down the buildings, they can close services, they can lock the door on venues, but they cannot stop the church.

And really, church is what I want to talk to you about today.

Really, from the beginning of MetaCurch, and even back to when I first came out as the lead pastor when we were still a part of the city church network, we started with the foundation of Matthew chapter 16, and I've come back to it every year since, and it's important to me because this was the foundation for our vision and our strategy to do whatever it takes to get people to Jesus.

Matthew 16 · chapter mention

And so for some of you, this is gonna feel a little bit like review, and a lot of you are new to Metachurch, and this is gonna be brand new vision for you, and even those who have heard it before, I think in the context of this pandemic, we will learn something so significant, and something that once you see it, I believe will increase your hope and increase your faith.

The foundation comes from Matthew chapter 16.

Matthew 16 · chapter mention

We're gonna start in verse 13.

It says, When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, Who do people say that the Son of Man is?

He's asking about himself, and they replied, Some say John the Baptist, others Elijah, and still others Jeremiah or one of the other prophets.

But you, Jesus asked them.

He looked at these twelve men who were closest to him, who have lived, walked alongside of him, been taught by him, sat at the foot of all of his miracles, and he asked, Who do you say that I am?

And Simon Peter answered, You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.

And Jesus responded, Blessed are you, Simon, son of Jonah, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but my father in heaven.

In verse 18, and this is really our key verse, and I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overpower it.

I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth will have been bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will have been loosed in heaven.

And then he gave the disciples orders to tell no one, at least not yet, that he was in fact the Messiah.

This passage is critical to our understanding of what church is and the role that it plays in the world around us.

It's especially critical right now in a time when things are being deemed essential and non-essential, and luckily the government made the wise decision to say that churches are still essential.

And if you ask me, the movement of Jesus is always the most essential thing that is happening on planet Earth, and especially right now when people are desperately looking for some hope to cling to.

We've done a lot of work deconstructing church.

And for a while I was saying that at Meta, we want to redefine church.

In fact, even our name Meta Church change church, change people's perceptions of what the church has become.

I say we we want to redefine it.

And one day it hit me.

I don't want to redefine it, I want to un-define it.

It's like over the years and decades and centuries, we have layered all of our own man-made ideas of what church is supposed to be and how it's supposed to function, and we found all different things that we could come together and argue over and fracture over and set up even more denominations and denominations within denominations over.

And it's like, what if we un-defined it?

What if we went right back to the root?

What if we went back to the moment that it all started?

In my very first series, with the privilege to be the pastor here at MetaCurch, we talked about what the church isn't.

It's not a social club, it's not here for your entertainment, it's not for the wealthy or elite, it's not so you can show off your status by having the highest priced wardrobe or singing the harmonies to the worship songs the best.

We saw that it isn't a service at all.

It's not an organization, it's not a group of pastors, it's not a building that from the beginning the church was about people, not about place.

I want us to dig in, to spend a little bit of time in this passage today, and to really see crystal clear the role of the church in the midst of crisis.

Would you pray with me?

Father, we love you.

And uh really all we want to do is we just we want to get in your word.

We want to go pretty much verse by verse, and we are asking that you speak to us.

Heavenly Father, that you speak to us in incredible ways, that you speak to us sitting on our couches or in our home offices or in our kitchens or laying in bed in our pajamas or up and late in the evening and streaming this or watching this or watching it on YouTube.

God, that your spirit is everywhere.

You are omnipresent, you are with us all of the time, and so we always have the opportunity to hear from you, and so open our minds and open our hearts.

I pray that we are receptive, that you show us something today.

And we ask it all in Jesus' name.

And right where you are, if you agree, say amen.

Matthew chapter 16, verse 13 says, When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, Who do people say that the Son of Man is?

Matthew 16:13

Now Jesus has crossed over into Gentile territory, Gentile meaning non-Jews, and of course, Jesus came first to the Jewish people, his own people.

He came first to these regions that were all centered around Jerusalem, the center of Jewish religion and worship.

And our series Wonder Weeks, we walked all through this and added some dynamic into our understanding of these New Testament stories of where things are located and how the travel routes actually functioned.

And Jesus would go all over, all over the area in Galilee.

He would go all out to the east in Bethany and Bethsaida.

He would go down to Jericho.

He spent some time in Jerusalem, and he was going and not only teaching with this unbelievable power like no one had ever seen before, but he was also healing.

He was casting demons out of people.

He was feeding thousands with one small lunch.

And the word of him grew.

Of course, no one is like texting, no one is posting these miracles on Instagram.

Like people are just hearing word of mouth as people are traveling, as people are going from village to village to barter and do their business, and they're saying, Have you heard of Jesus, Yeshua, the Nazarene, the carpenter, the son of Joseph and Mary?

He's blowing our minds.

He might be the king of Israel.

Everywhere he went, he was mobbed by throngs of people.

Some of them wanted to hear and be inspired and enlightened, and some of them wanted healing, and some of them had ulterior motives, but the leadership, the leadership of Rome, the leadership of Judaism, they saw Jesus as a tremendous threat.

He had a lot of heat on him.

And right now, to get a breather, Jesus goes to Caesarea Philippi, which is actually Gentile country.

He he crosses across a body of water and into a land where at least for a moment he is safe.

And once he's there, he begins to get real with these disciples, these 12 uneducated, jacked-up men who have been with him, his inner circle of followers.

And he asks, When you're around and you're kind of hearing, you've got an ear to the ground, who do people say that I am?

In verse 14, they replied, some say John the Baptist, others say Elijah, still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets.

Of course, John the Baptist was the cousin of Jesus, and he came to pave the way for Jesus' ministry.

And eventually Herod brought him in, and Herod's wife asked for the head of John the Baptist on a platter, and John the Baptist was beheaded by Herod.

And now Herod has it out for Jesus.

And Herod is hearing rumors that Jesus might actually be John the Baptist, come back to life to haunt him, and others are saying that he's Elijah because they've been awaiting the resurrection of Elijah, the great Old Testament prophet, or maybe he's Jeremiah because of some of the works he's done and the words that he's spoken.

They're going, we don't know who he is, but he knows we know that he is significant.

In verse 15, Jesus turns it around.

But you, he asked, Who do you say that I am?

And he has heard what the crowds think, the people who have a little bit of distance, the people who are coming to receive from Jesus.

But what about those who have given up their livelihoods, left behind their families to actually follow after him?

Who do you say I am?

And of course, this is the question we all have to wrestle with.

This is the question that we circle back to a lot here at MetaCurch because it is the most significant question that you must wrestle to the ground before your time on earth is done.

Who do you say Jesus is?

Just a prophet?

Just a teacher?

A great man?

A historical figure?

Who do you say that he is?

He asks them, and there's this divine moment.

In verse 16, Simon Peter answered.

And it's always scary.

That's a scary beginning of a verse.

Because usually when Simon Peter says something, it's like the worst thing he could possibly say.

Simon is the disciple, the one we call Peter.

He is the one who is constantly putting his foot into his mouth over and over again, speaking out of turn.

He is wild and unpredictable, and yet there's this divine moment.

Simon Peter answered, You are the Messiah, the Son of the Living God.

This is a claim that could actually get Peter killed.

To claim that someone is a deity other than Yahweh, the one God of Israel, the one God of Judaism is blasphemy, punishable by death.

And Peter speaks it out.

And Jesus responded, Blessed are you, Simon, son of Jonah, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but my father in heaven.

And we can tell that Jesus sees this as a serious moment because he uses Peter's formal name.

His name is Simon, but they've begun to call him Peter, but he calls him not just Simon, but Simon, son of Jonah.

Simon Bar Jonah, this very formal name.

Says you didn't come up with this on your own.

I mean, Peter, honestly, we've seen your track record, you get almost everything wrong.

This wasn't from you.

This was from my father.

And what did Peter said?

You are the son of the living God.

And Jesus brings affirmation, this is from my father.

Not my father, Joseph the carpenter, my father who is in heaven.

The next verse is so near and dear to our heart at MetaCurch.

It really is the foundational verse that got it all started.

And it was probably six years ago now, where I dug into this verse.

And it struck me because in verse 18 it says, and I say that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades, some translations say the gates of hell will not overpower it.

And what struck me is that as we are trying to lead and move as a church, this is the first time the word church is ever used in the pages of Scripture.

And it comes from the lips of Jesus, his church, his movement, and this is the first time it's said, and it is said from his own mouth.

I notice this, it seemed really deep into Scripture to be the first time we see this word.

It's like we've been through the entire Old Testament, like Genesis through Malachi.

We went through the whole thing, nothing about a church.

We've been in Matthew for 16 chapters.

Jesus has been walking on the earth for 16 chapters, several years, and this is the first time we hear the word church.

And so I started digging and digging and digging and studying and finding every resource and going deeper and deeper.

And I was almost a little bit obsessed with it.

And it was like months went by, and it was this beautiful word.

I want to put it in its actual Greek.

It says, I say that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my ecclesia.

My ecclesia and the gates of hell will not overpower it.

This word ekklesia is a compound Greek word.

And man, for some of you, you can say this backwards and forward.

Man, you dream about this sometimes because we've talked about it so often.

It is ekcleo, the called out.

It's focused on people.

It's such an interesting word because Jesus didn't use a religious word.

He didn't say synagogue.

He didn't say temple.

He didn't, he didn't, he said, I will start my ecclesia, a political term.

And what an ecclesia was, was a gathering of people who were called out of their community for a political, specific, and significant purpose.

And Jesus says, I will start my ecclesia.

I will start my movement, and I will be the one who is calling people out, calling people out of their normal lives, calling people out of looking for purpose and significance and worth in everything that is worthless in this world.

I will be the one calling people out to live in their created purpose.

I the one who breathed the breath of life into human beings, who formed them in their mother's womb and who set them on this earth for a purpose.

We'll call them out.

Gather them together, send them out.

We call it meet together, move together.

We're stuck in our homes right now.

We will stream together and serve together.

The church cannot be stopped.

And he says, even the gates of hell will not overpower it, will not be able to stand against it, that nothing, nothing can stop it.

There's even more happening here.

There's a wordplay that Jesus is using.

In verse 18, he says, I say to you, Simon, son of Jonah, I say to you that you are petras.

And on this petra, I will build my church.

Petras is a single stone.

It's like a skipping stone.

It's like a small rock that you could, you know, throw or skip across a lake.

Petras, you are petros, a small stone.

And maybe this is how we feel right now, right?

Like, what can I do about a pandemic?

What can I do about a worldwide crisis?

What can I do in this emergency?

What what role can I really play?

I'm just a small stone.

I I can do very minimal damage.

You are petros.

And on this petra, I will build my church.

And petra is like a foundation, a mass of rocks.

It can be used to signify a cliff, which when we see looks like one single rock, but we know that when you actually dig in, it is formed by the culmination of many petras, many petras making up the petra.

And if you think Peter doesn't get it, then when he writes his letter that we have in the New Testament, we call it 1 Peter chapter 2, verse 5, he says, You also, speaking to believers, you also as living stones are being built up as a spiritual house.

1 Peter 2:5

You as petras, as individual lives, individual people, not really able to do much or make much of a difference on your own, as petras are being built up into the petra, the immovable rock, the immovable foundation, the ecclesia, the called-out movement of Jesus that cannot be stopped even by hell itself.

Jesus continues to speak life into not just Peter, one Petras, but all of these disciples, the beginning of the Petra, the beginning of this movement.

He says to them in verse 19, I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven.

And whatever you bind on earth will have been bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will have been loosed in heaven.

And this is a really confusing verse, honestly.

For the longest time, I really I tried to dig in, I looked in the grammar, I looked in a lot of commentaries, and people had different ideas, but no one seemed really settled on what it meant.

And then uh what I like to do often is to actually go into the Jewish traditions and and and see what they have to say about it, and they're very clear on what this means.

Binding and loosing is a rabbinic term, and if you remember in our series Wonder Week that we were in, we saw Jesus as rabbi, which is a teacher who is a a like professor-level knowledge in the Old Testament law.

Rabbis had authority, and what they would do is they would often give new truth.

And when they gave new truth, they would bind old truth and they would let loose something new.

We see Jesus doing this in what we call a Sermon on the Mount, and he would say things like, You have heard it said, and he would bind it, but now I tell you, and he would let loose, and he would say, You've heard it said, Thou shalt not murder, bind.

But I tell you, if you look at your brother with hate in your heart, you have already committed murder before God, let loose.

He is taking an understanding of the law and he is heightening it.

This is rabbinic authority.

The keys to the kingdom, the authority to bind and let loose.

What he's saying is you have a difficult task in front of you.

See, they don't see it yet.

Jesus hasn't died yet, they don't completely understand it.

As a matter of fact, it's shrouded in mystery because he closes this section in verse 20 by giving the disciples orders to tell no one that he was the Messiah.

And you see, what's what's coming is the Great Commission.

It's what guides us all.

Go into the whole world and preach the gospel.

We call that the Great Commission.

But before that happens, Jesus has to die.

He has to make the sacrifice for our sins, he has to pave the way for the movement that he is starting.

And so before the great commission, we have to have the great omission.

You can't tell them yet that I'm the Messiah because if they know I'm the Messiah, they'll never let me die.

Jesus is setting it all up.

Peter speaks it out.

He speaks out the truth.

Jesus unveils his plan.

I am starting something brand new.

I'm starting an ecclesia.

I'm gonna take these petros.

I'm gonna take you sitting in your living room right now.

I'm gonna take you watching this on your phone right now.

I'm gonna take you, some of you who are tuning in, who don't even live in San Antonio and will not be able to come to our venue when it opens back up.

He's going to take you a petros, a single person, and meld you in, call you out, make you a petra, a part of the foundation that has stood the test of time, that has circled the world, that has endured persecution and torment and plague and war.

That's overcoming a pandemic and bringing light right in the middle of it.

He's gonna take you right where you are with who you are and how he's created you.

And maybe you've spent your whole life feeling like you're not enough, not significant enough, not good enough, not smart enough, not pretty enough, like you've got all the excuses lined up for why God can't use you.

Just just read it.

Man, just read Matthew, Mark, Luke, John.

Just watch Peter screw up over.

Peter's an idiot over and over, and Peter's the one who gets signaled out and said, You are the one.

It's people just like you, and I'll give you the keys to the kingdom, the full arsenal of heaven at your disposal, the authority, like a rabbi, to take these truths that never change and bring them into any context, any era, any geographical location, and make the movement move.

It's a beautiful moment.

And it set us up to look at the function of the ecclesia, the movement of Jesus, of people called out of their everyday life for a significant and specific purpose of doing whatever it takes to bring people to Jesus.

It makes it so clear.

You know, one of my favorite books, and I've I've taught on this several times, I talk about it a lot on staff.

When when you have a real favorite book, it's hard not to bring it up a lot, but one of my favorite books is called Start with Why.

It's a book by Simon Senec, just an incredible author.

Everything he writes is so phenomenal.

And start with why he teaches this concept of the golden circle.

And this is a business book, and it's about how to build a great organization.

And what he says is that all organizations know what they do.

Like, if you don't know what you do, then you're gonna be fired in minutes.

If you work at the ATT store and you don't know what ATT does, like if you think you're baking bread at the ATT store, you're not gonna last long.

Everybody knows what they do.

It doesn't make a great organization, it just makes an organization.

It's like a preliminary step to even be able to have a business.

You have to know what you do.

We mow lawns, we build houses, we are architects, we make plans.

Everyone knows what.

Good organizations know how.

And not just not just tactically how.

They don't just know how to get the iPhone out of the box and program it and get, but but they know culturally how.

They know how the business functions, they know how accountability works, they know how things are supposed to go, and that makes a good organization.

The point of the book is this everyone knows what.

Good organizations know how.

How to do it tactically, how to do it culturally, but great organizations.

The 1% of the 1% of organizations, organizations who create products and services that change things, that shift culture, that improve people's lives.

They don't just know what and they don't just know how, but they know why.

Simon Senec says we get it wrong.

A lot of times we think about an organization, and the first thing we do is we say, Well, what are we gonna do?

What is our business gonna do?

And then we take a step further and we say, Well, then how are we gonna do it?

And most people stop there.

If we know what we're doing and how we can do it, then we can make some profit, we can make some money, pay employees, go home, live life, retire, and die.

Like this is enough.

But great organizations start with why.

They start on the inside.

And before they ever even discuss what they're going to do, and before they ever build the policies and procedures for how they're going to do it, they get crystal clear on why.

Why would I start this business in the first place?

I don't know if Simon Sinek is a believer, I don't know his spiritual background, I know he's brilliant, I know that he's helped thousands of organizations get closer and closer to their goals.

But when I look at Matthew 16, what I see is Jesus starting with why.

And you gotta understand, Jesus, Jesus is God.

And I know the Trinity is confusing, but it's it's a part of our belief that God is one and he's three Father, Son, and Spirit.

And so the difficult thing about being Jesus is that you've lived in eternity, and from eternity you see all of history as one.

There's no today, tomorrow, yesterday.

He just sees it all.

And you saw, I've just grown so, so tired of having what and how conversations in the church.

And it seems like this is all we want to fight over.

We want to talk about what we're doing and how we're doing it.

And so we fracture and we fight over the type of music and whether there's drums on stage, and what the dress code is, and what's the membership policy, and what does the building look like, and how tall is the steeple.

And if Jesus wanted to start with how, if he wanted to start with what, he would have.

Jesus doesn't make mistakes, Jesus never gets it wrong.

Jesus could have laid it all out for us.

He saw into our future, he saw into our fights, he saw into the competition between churches who are all supposed to be on the same team, reaching people from the clutches of hell.

He could have let you know, listen, this is what you need to do.

Um, you gotta get to town first, right?

Because if you can get to town first and build your building the fastest, then you get to call it First Baptist.

You gotta get there early, you gotta get there first.

You can call it First Methodist.

And here's the deal you're gonna want a big steeple, and they're like, What's a Baptist?

He's like, Don't worry about it, guys.

There's gonna be Baptists and Methodists and Lutherans and Presbyterian and non-denominations, which is like a denomination all in its own.

Don't worry about it, it's all coming.

And then you're gonna want a steeple.

They're like, a what?

Yeah, you're gonna build a steeple, it's gonna be crazy.

And then you wanna put a cross on the top, and they're like, a cross?

Like what the Romans kill people on.

Yeah, you don't get it yet.

I'm gonna die on one.

It's fine, it's gonna be a good thing eventually.

Put a cross on the top.

They're like, man, you're blowing my mind.

Here's what you're gonna need, guys.

Come in.

I'm Jesus, I'm letting you know.

You're gonna need a choir.

The choir's gonna need robes.

What's a what's a robe?

It's fine.

There's a you know, there's just gonna be this guy named Hugh Hefner, he's gonna teach about robes.

It's fine.

I don't listen, you gotta have robes, and don't some people are gonna wanna put drums on stage.

Peter, John, listen, people are gonna wanna put drums on stage, burn that place down.

Just go ahead and burn it down.

Get out like he could have laid it all out and answered all the questions about what and how.

But in fact, he did the opposite.

Jesus started with why.

And we see it at the end of the verse where he first mentions his church, his movement, his ecclesia, he says, the gates of hell will not be able to withstand it.

An ecclesia is a political term, and Jesus is calling people in to a spiritual battle.

And we've talked about this before, but gates are not an offensive weapon.

For so long, the church has been playing defense, scared of sin, scared of Satan, scared of sinners.

And so we we get the people who look the least like sinners, and we fill up our church buildings with them, and we think the building is the church, and as long as you can buy an expensive enough brand tie, you get to show up, but we're scared of sinners.

We're playing defense.

Jesus called us out to get on offense, to go against the forces of hell.

That is why.

There are spiritual realities, there is darkness in our world.

And Jesus set his church in the midst of it as the hope.

It is our job.

Why do we exist?

We exist to go out to the people on the fringes and margins of society, the people who are poor and rich, white, brown, and black, who think politically liberal and conservative.

We are here for all people who do not know Jesus and who are dying without hope and who are hanging between heaven and hell.

And God has sent us to pull them, to grab them, to do whatever it takes.

We say we do whatever it takes to get people to Jesus.

We didn't make that up.

Jesus said, You're a petros.

I feel like a petros every day.

Too small, too insignificant, too much crap in my bag, like too, like too, too much baggage, too many skeletons.

And God says, I'm gonna use you.

And you're gonna come together with others, and you're gonna do more together than you could ever imagine doing by yourself.

It's gonna be so powerful that nothing can stop it.

Nothing can stop it.

And 2,000 years ago, Jesus said this in Caesarea Philippi, Gentile country, to a group of 12 uneducated nobodies.

Petrus into Petra called out a movement, the gates of hell.

He said, I will give you the keys to the kingdom.

You will bind and you will loose.

And how you do it?

I don't know.

It's crazy.

Jesus goes to the cross and and he dies and he comes back to life and and and then he spends like 40 days, and then right before he goes to heaven, he gives us these instructions.

And what does he say?

Go into all the world and preach the gospel.

Okay, so now we know why, because we're in a spiritual battle against the forces of hell, and we know what?

Preach the gospel, tell people about Jesus.

The only thing he doesn't tell us is how.

That's an uncomfortable part.

What I see in Philippi is there's women running the joint.

So what is that?

Is that a contradiction?

So what's the answer?

Should we play, should we play rock and roll worship or should we have choirs?

So what's the answer?

Should I be in a robe, in a collar, or tattoos, and a shirt?

What's the answer?

We don't know.

We weren't told how.

We were told why.

That there are people who will only find their hope if the movement of Jesus is courageous enough to tell them.

We were told what to do, which is to take the good news of Jesus all the way to the ends of the earth.

How do we do it?

I've got great news.

Jesus has given us the keys to the kingdom, and what we bind will be bound, and what we let loose will be let loose.

And if we start with why, then this pandemic, instead of being opposition, will be opportunity.

We're constrained right now.

This streaming is a constraint, it's a constriction.

But oftentimes pressure creates power.

I've used the analogy before of your water hose.

And if you just turn your water hose on, the water just barely like just barely, barely falls out.

No real power.

But if you put your thumb right over the end, the more you constrain it, the more powerful the what pressure creates power.

So we were meeting and moving, and now we're streaming and serving.

And I'm claiming in the name of Jesus, who spoke the ecclesia, his movement into existence, who's handed us the keys to the kingdom, who has allowed us to bind and let loose that this time of streaming and serving will do immeasurably more than we could ever imagine.

Don't give up.

The church is not closed.

And in fact, through this time, the church might just come out more powerful than ever.

Would you pray with me?

Father, we love you.

And just, I mean, maybe this is just kind of a confession that to shift our strategy from meeting and moving to streaming and serving was hard for me.

It was hard for me.

I almost stood in opposition to it.

I struggled for days, and I know that you saw me.

And God, I thank you for the reminder that this is a movement who has overcome everything that the world and the forces of hell have thrown at it.

And God, that through your power and through staying focused on why we exist, we don't exist to have services in a building on Sunday.

We exist to do whatever it takes to get people to your son Jesus.

And I believe if we focus on that, that you will not only see us through and help us survive, but you will actually help us thrive right now and as we come out of this.

And so I pray for every person who has ever felt like they are just a small stone.

Not enough, God, too insignificant.

And yet we see in your word, King David as a little boy, all he needed was one petras, one small stone to slay the giant.

God, I pray that we would be willing and ready to present ourselves, all of us.

Whatever you want from us is a part of your movement.

God, we pray for protection.

God, we pray for healing for everyone who has the virus, who has gotten the virus, who is struggling, who's in the hospital, who's on ventilators.

God, we pray physical healing in the name of Jesus.

We pray protection.

And God, we pray power over your movement and our part of it that we call MetaCurch.

We love you, and we pray these things in Jesus' name.

Amen.

And a couple of things before we end our stream.

Uh, we are continuing to just prayerfully and really like just look in every direction for opportunities to serve our city, to serve the community around us.

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We're trying to put out as much information and as much content as possible.

For those of you who are still giving so generously during this time, man, we cannot even tell you how thankful we are that you're allowing God to use you to push this movement forward.

I love you guys so much, and I I pray and I hope that I see you very soon.

Thanks so much for listening to the message today.

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There you can learn how to take next steps, you can learn where our different venues are at if you ever wanted to visit, and you can also give financially to help push this movement forward.

And I love you guys, and I hope you have a great rest of your day.