Suffering - That All May Know | Pr Jack Ling

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Today.

I've got another title, all right, but I believe the

Lord is leading us, you know, in a similar way,

all right, from last week and this week. So but

then the title today is suffering. How many of you

like that topic suffering that all may know.

Hey, so.

This word sounds like a painful negative word. You see

the picture I put there, So crown of thorns is

pain is you know, difficulty is, sorrow is you know, hurt.

But you know, I want to tell you this, and

many of you probably know this, suffering is part and

partial of being a follower of Jesus. Right the moment

you decided to follow Jesus, you want to be Christian,

you embraced it.

I'm going to suffer. I'm going to suffer, all right.

But the difference is when you say that, you're saying

I'm going to suffer for good. I'm going to suffer

for joy. I'm going to suffer for good things. So

it's actually a joyful thing because the world will say

I suffer for bad. I suffer and I get depressed

and I go down, and it's all doom and gloom.

When the world talks about suffering, it's darkness, it's sorrow,

it's hopelessness. But as a follow of Jesus, when we

talk about suffering, we have hope. When we talk about suffering,

we see light, all right. At the end of the

tunnel is hope. It's good, it's resurrection. So you see,

when you follow Jesus, you're able to embrace suffering, and

you are able to have joy in suffering and have

hope in suffering. So that's the big difference that people

who follow Jesus have, all right, compared to the rest

of many other people, you know, the rest of mankind.

So hallelujah. So when you see the word suffering, smile.

Is part on package of what it is to be

a Christian, all right, it's all over the Bible. Jesus

tells us we're going to suffer, all right. Paul tells us,

you'll suffer, all right, like I have suffered.

All right.

Not that not that trying to curse you, but it's

just telling you the truth. Now, let's let's look at

you a little bit more. Okay, Now, let's read some scripture.

Book of Exodus, chapter one, verse twelve. Right, so some

of these verses I put on the screen. Some longer

ones probably try and read from the Bible. Okay, yeah,

let's look at Exodus. You want to turn your Bible

as well? You can because you know, so he's good exercise,

isn't it?

Uh?

Kind of like actually flip the Bible. I challenge myself.

I feel challenged, like do I know where the pages are?

You know? Okay?

Exdu is quite an obvious book, not too difficult to find.

Suddenly you go like nayr Aimus. If you're like flipping

and flipping, flipping, now, might look at the indexes. Fine, right,

it's okay, no pressure, no pressure, no one would judge you.

And look at it. It's kind of looking at an indexer.

How long been Christian?

Already?

Yeah, so don't feel stress. It's okay even if you're

a long time Christian. Still okay to look at the

index all right. Now, Exodus chapter one, twelve, he says here,

but the more they will oppress, the more they multiplied,

and the more they spread abroad. And the Egyptians were

in dread of the people of Israel. So this is

the story of you know, they were slaves. People of

God were slaves in Egypt, and you know, they were

made to do work, right, and so they were oppressed.

They were what's oppressed meaning I think they were given

a lot of work that they can't handle, and they

it's more than they can handle. And they were pushed

and they were beaten, probably made to work that way, right,

in an inhumane way. So but then you see what

happened was when they were oppressed, all right, other versions

in your Bible might say afflicted.

Right, when they were afflicted.

But then the more they multiplied, So the more suffering

you put upon someone, right, especially in terms of God's people,

good things will happen.

They will multiply even more. Right.

I don't know what is it that caused them to

multiply more because they so stress on it.

Just make more babies, I don't know what is it?

All right? Interesting?

Right, the more they spread abroad abroad, okay, right, and

the Egyptians, and it struck fear in the Egyptians. They

wanted to oppress them, but then it caused them to

have more fear. Right, so they were more afraid of

them because they multiplied, they grew, right, Then I want

you to remember that we're oppressed, all right, afflicted that

Exodus chapter three, verse seven was saying. Then the Lord said,

I have surely seen the affliction of my people who

are in Egypt, and have heard their crime because of

their task masters.

I know their sufferings.

So the Lord sees if you've been oppressed, you've been afflicted.

He sees, I have surely seen it that the affliction

of my people, and the and the Lord hears your

cry when you're going through pain and suffering, you're going

through affliction.

You've been oppressed. The Lord hears your cry.

Right, some of us here we go, we're going through

some difficulty, some suffering. I don't know what suffering you're

going through. Could be family situation, could be studies. Feel

so stressed, your feel can't you can't do it. You

feel like you don't understand what you're learning. The project

and assignment is bigger than your brain can handle it. Right,

that's all suffering. Right when you you know some of

us are thinking, you know, how can I be a

Christian in my workplace, in my school?

All right?

When everyone is so flashly, so worldly, and they they

speak a different language than what you know. The Word

of God does, and so how do I live out

and should be a light in the darkness here because

people will persecute me. Maybe they haven't even persecuted you,

but just your mind thinking they're gonna make fun of me.

They're gonna, you know, put me down. All right.

So some of these things here, you're whatever you're you're

going through, the Lord hears you. The Lord sees it,

all right. Tell your neighbor that the Lord sees it.

The Lord hears your cry.

Man. Okay.

So now these two versus, just study a little bit.

Affliction oppressed, all right. So I did a bit of

just to understand. The word affliction is the word, and

so in the Hebrew affliction like this onie ony all right.

Affliction is the way I did put the Hebrew word there.

But it sounds like this ony, okay. And the word

means the word only means poverty, misery, affliction, okay. So

it could be poverty, maybe you don't have enough, you're struggling,

and whatever it is that's that you're going through. It

causes you misery, you're down. Could be sickness as well, right,

makes you feel ah so tired? Right, uh, And that's affliction.

But then I went, you know, I like to do

this when I I use the Blue Letter Bible website,

and then many times they will put the word and

then they will say there's a root word. There's a

root word, So I will click on the root word

to just because you know, interesting to to learn. So anyway,

the root word root word for Onnie is Anna. Okay, right,

So Anna has this meaning to be kept busy by oppression.

So the Israelites were oppressed right by the Egyptians. Kept busy,

but then you're busy still can have a little babies, okay.

Put down, depressed, downcast, bowed down, humiliates it.

How many of you are here?

You have gone through humiliation and made you very angry

or sad, all right. Humble is the other word. And

weakened that's the root word one, the root word here.

Anna has to do it, you know, kept busy by oppression,

put down by whatever it is? All right, Maybe you

try to do something, you try to live out your

life as a believer, and then people put you down,

make fun of you. Right, it's affliction. It's oppression, all right.

So everyone doing okay, so far right?

Right?

But then interesting this is the first time I've seen this.

When I click on the thing blue letter right, give

me the root word, Then suddenly there is a identical

root word.

It says, I've never seen this before. It is new

to me.

Same exact Hebrew letters Anna right there. You can check

it out yourself later blue letter Bible right, honey. Anna

then has two means. There's two meanings, two words. Identical

root word Anna has to do with this to answer,

to respond, to testify, to speak, to shout, to respond

as a witness, to.

Sing, to utter tunefully.

Doesn't sound similar, right the meaning suddenly suffering, oppression, down, humble, humiliation,

And then suddenly the same exact word means to answer,

to have the answer all right. Sometimes that's all you need.

And that's why we go through suffering, and that's why

we go through affliction, because then we'll have an answer.

It's God real, of course, it's real. I've been through

it and He's delivered me. I've got an answer. The

word searching for an answer, and through your suffering, through

the affliction that you go through, you will have an answer.

You will have an answer, all right. You'll be able

to respond to live's questions. Testify, speak, and you will

have a song when you sing, you really sing.

When you sing, it's real. You know, it's not just

I'm just trying to you know, I'm not pis practicing.

It's real stuff.

Because harley lujah, thank you Lord, you have delivered me

from my affliction.

Right. So, how many of you here think about it?

All right? You're going through some affliction.

You're going through some dificulty, all right, some of you

when when I when I look at you, some of

your trouble, your problems look bigger than others, all right.

But you know, the bigger your problem, the bigger your God, hallelujah,

the bigger your testimony, all right, So don't worry even

if you have a small problem, okay, no wordy is

just practice starting and you will get bigger.

Problems, all right. This prophisying according to the word of God,

all right.

And it's not suffering, for to put you down is suffering.

So that you have a testimony is suffering, so that

there's hope, there's joy, Amen, hallelujah. Everyone doing all right.

I was so blessed just learning about this. Like the

word affliction has to do with singing, and you know,

having an answer right now, let's I want to read

the book of Jeremiah. Jeremiah. I'm reading Jeremiah right now

with my children or.

So and uh I thank god, you know, uh Ezra.

Ezra is my second boy. He has found a little

bit more interest in reading the Bible. He wakes up

and tries to read the Bible at least two chapters

a day, and he says, I want to finish reading

the Bible. It says that to me. Uh and uh.

So he went for camp recently in some in campar

some camlin. All right, he has to pitch a ten

and everything with his friends. We trusted let them go,

two of them. Ju don Ezra. They just came back yesterday.

Then he was, uh. We were packing and then he said,

respect my bible. Wow, prespect my Bible to camp.

Man. I tell you, no, I don't know. Wish I dout.

We even packed a Bible to the camp all right,

because it's tank got river and everything. Right, just you know,

you don't want to destroy the Bible. So he said,

please pack my bible. We packed it in the morning,

at night packed it. Then already next morning he says,

where's my Bible? He takes out the Bible, reads reads

in the morning before going. Then he left it in

the house and forgot to bring Then I was driving.

Then he's like, oh, I think I forgot my Bible.

Then like I didn't.

I wasn't easy on him because I was like what

because in the morning keep asking me for games, you see,

like can I pay the game? Then I took that

opportunity and say, like, what are you thinking was games?

You left your Bible?

All week? You been telling me you want to read

the Bible of the camp. And I felt so.

Good in a sense, like if you bring your Bible

to camp and you open it up in front of

all the adults there and show them a kid is

reading a Bible, it would have been wonderful, isn't it?

But it's okay, never mind, so sorry. Yeah, he had

the what's the weather? The desire, he had the desire

to want to do it. So now he's back, I say, okay,

I'll continue. Awesome, Okay, anyway back to Jeremiah twenty. Let's

read that. All right, you have the Bibles, you open

up as well. I'll I'm thinking of reading the whole thing. Wow, Keller,

let's read now. Pasture. The priest, the son of Immer,

who was chief officer in the House of the Lord,

heard Jeremiah prophesy these things. Then Passure beat Jeremiah the

prophet and put him in the stocks that were in

the upper Benjamin gate of the House of the Lord.

The next day, when Pashor released Jeremiah from the stocks,

Jeremiah said to him, the Lord does not call your

name Pashur, but terror on every side.

For thus says the Lord.

Behold, I will make you a terror to yourself and

to all your friends. Friends, they shall fall by the

sword of their.

Enemies while you look on.

And I will give all Judah into the hand of

the King of Babylon. He shall carry them captive to

Babylon and shall strike them down with the sword. Moreover,

I will give all the wealth of the city, all

its gains, all its price belongings, and all the treasures

of the kings of Judah into the hand of their enemies,

who shall plunder them and seize them and carry them

to Babylon. And you passure, and all who dwell in

the house shall go into captivity.

To Babylon.

You shall go, and there you shall die, and there

you shall be buried you and all your friends to

whom you have prophesied falsely. Okay, now have we read

here suddenly your poetry here? Oh Lord, you have deceived me.

This is Jeremiah so contrasting right way he's speaking. He's like,

you passure, are You're gonna des He's like, oh Lord,

you have deceived me, and I was deceived.

You are stronger than I, and you have prevailed. I

have become a laughing stock all the day. Everyone mocks me.

For whoever I speak, Sorry, whenever I speak, I cry out.

I shout violence and destruction. For the word of the

Lord has.

Become for me a reproach and derision all day long.

I'll say, I will not mention him or speak anymore

in his name. There is in my heart, as it were,

a burning fire shut up in my bones, and I

am weary with holding it in. And I cannot. He

cannot hold in the word of God. For I hear

many whispering. Terror is on every side. Denounce him. Let

us denounce him, Say all my close friends watching for

my fall, close friendsh Perhaps he will be deceived, then

we can overcome him and take our revenge on him.

But the Lord is with me as a dread sorry,

as a trade warrior. Is that correct? Okay?

Therefore my persecutors will stumble. They will not overcome me.

They will be greatly shamed, for they will not succeed

their eternal dishonor will never be forgiven or forgotten. Sorry,

Oh Lord, Oh Lord of hosts, who tests the righteous,

who sets the heart and the mind, Let me see

your vengeance upon them.

To you have I committed my cause? Sing to the Lord.

Praise the Lord, for he has delivered the life of

the needy from the head from the hand of evil.

Do us curse be the day, suddenly, curse be the

day on which I was born, the day when my

mother bore me.

Let it not be blessed. Wow, cursed be the man

who brought the news to my father.

A son is born to you, making him very glad.

Let that man be like the cities that the Lord

overthrow without pity. Let him hear a cry in the

morning and an alarm at noon, because he did not

kill me, my word in the world, Who can do that?

So? My mother would have been my grave and a

womb forever. Great? Wow, this shows this very very upset

very sad.

Why did I come out from the womb to see

toil and sorrow and spend my days in shame? All

I wanted to read this is because I wanted us

to see how how down he was, how humiliated he was,

the emotions that he showed. So if any of us

he'll ever feel so down, we can relate, and we

can see that the man of.

God, Jeremiah was also so humble, you know, so sad,

so depressed.

All right, And if any of you ever prayed prayers

like this, I mean, that's what Jeremiah prayed to. So

let's look at it a little bit from the top

of this verse chapter here. So he was preaching the

word of God, he was prophesying, he was, you know,

in a way talking about judgment on them, and they

were not happy. And so passure priests took him, took

Jeremiah and beat him the word. You'll beat b eighties

just fall like as your beat. But if you look

at it, how bad it was. Apparently it could have

been thirty nine lashes, right, some people say Jesus went

through that as well, thirty nine lascies maybe, all right,

say I was Roman, right, But this is Jewish. So

they only why they do thirty nine is because forty

is too much, So mynus one discount.

That's what they say.

All right, so thirty nine is all stop, Okay, don't

kill him. That's but thirty nine lashes. I don't know

how you know, the whips were but he got beaten.

Not only that, Uh, he was put in a stock.

They call it. What is a stock?

It's a device to torture, to make you.

It's kind of teach you a lesson.

And so you kind of like twist your body in

a way and you as you are stuck there, all right,

or in a way you you you get there's not

much space to move, and so you're banned, and so

it will cost you a lot of pain.

And they put they put.

Him at the temple so it's visible in a way.

It's kind of like teaching this person a lesson and

show the public that don't do like this. He's talking nonsense,

his prophesying nonsense. That's what they're trying to say. You know,

he's lying or whatever it is. And so uh then

if you look at it, it says pasture.

You know, out of his kindness, let him go.

Oh, Okay, Jeremiah, come on, I'm so kind, all right,

let you go, so don't do it again in a way.

But then Jeremiah turns to him and says, you he will.

He promised that even more. And he says, you're gonna

get it, man, all right, the Lord's gonna give it

to you and you and your friends, all your lives,

you know, or your lying prophecies.

And so.

You see again oppression and affliction and suffering won't stop

people of God.

Amen.

And you look at his poetry. He says, I tried

not to. I really didn't want to. But then the

word of God burns inside my heart. And if you

have the word of God in your heart, it will

burn and you will speak it out, all right, and

you will not be able to hold it in. He says,

It's like it is in my bones. I cannot, you know,

but say it and tell the truth.

Amen. So oh uh, what else here? Yeah?

So the point here is our suffering gives us a

story to tell. Our suffering gives us a story to tell.

All right, some of us here we're going through affliction,

like we mentioned earlier.

But what is it for? What is it for? Is

so that we have a story.

You know, if we don't go through these things, we

don't have much to say, all right, Our speech, our

language is surface.

We have to look for things to talk.

About, all right, talk about the weather and football or whatever.

Right, it's still a nice talk about but right sports?

Uh?

And but when you have a story because of your affliction,

when do someone ask you how are you? Your answer

will be loaded. You want to know how I am?

Let me tell you, let me tell you, let me

tell you what God has done in my life. You

will be able to say it and you have because

you have the word of God with your story, and

it will be an explosion, all right. And when they

hear your story, like I don't know whether I should

have asked it by thank you for sharing, because maybe

they they too are going through that, They are going

through something as well. Everyone goes through something, right, But

just that a lot of people don't know where to

look to. But when we answer, as people of God,

we have an answer, Anna, right, Anna, we have an

answer through our affliction, through our pain, we have an answer,

and we have a story.

We have a song to sing. Amen.

Right, those of you who are hoping to we songwritere

you have a problem, you have a challenge. You'll be

right awesome songs. Your lyrics will be loaded. Amen, hallelujah.

So our suffering gives us a story to tell. Now

let's move on. Jesus tells us that he must suffer.

He says that, all right, let's read a few scriptures here. Okay,

all right, it's on the screen. You can turn to

it if you want to or so. But mark chapter

eight thirty one. And he began to teach them that

the son of Man must suffer, everyone say, must suffer

many things, and be rejected by the elders and the

chief priests, and describes, and be killed, and after three

days rise again. If there's no kill, if there's no death,

there's no resurrection. Right, So Jesus had to go through it.

Muss.

Okay, we go on next verse X twenty six, twenty

two to twenty three. Here says, to this day, I

have had the help that comes from God. And so

I stand here testifying both too small and great, saying

nothing but what the prophets and Moses said would come

to pass. That the Christ must suffer, everyone saying, must suffer,

and that by being the first to rise from the dead,

he would proclaim light both to our people and to

the gentiles. So again he had no choice, but he

had to suffer. Suffering, like I said from the beginning,

is part and package of our life as people who

follow Jesus. If our Lord Jesus went through suffering, we

follow Jesus right, So we also are ready or must

be ready, to go through suffering. All right, I mean,

by God's grace, we may not have to go through

the same as him yet, but you know, the more

we walk with Him, the more we should be ready,

you know, for affliction, for suffering a man, and but

then through again. Like I said, our affliction is a

blessed one, is a hopeful one. Is something we can

actually look forward to, is something wonderful?

Yeah, all right, some.

More Scripture Hebrews Hebrews four fifteen. For we do not

have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with

our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been

tempted as we are. Yet without saying so, Jesus went

through suffering and affliction because he it helped him to

be able to sympathize with us. So when we go

through affliction. He's not like, I don't know what you're feeling.

I don't know what you're going through. But he knows

because he also went through such a horrible pain and suffering.

So when you pray to God, you pray to Jesus.

He knows what you're going through. He knows what you're feeling,

and he can feel the same way you feel because

he's gone through it. And more amen, he has died

and resurrected. And he didn't just die a quick dath.

Some of us like, oh Lord, give me a quick dath,

or that I don't feel it. I me and my

brother talked like that before, all right, But but he

went through a slow death. It was painful, right, Nail

to the cross, hands and feet, And I want to

bring up one more thing here.

You know, some of us here we need to be.

We need our hands and our feet in a sense

nailed to the cross because it helps us to stop sinning.

You know, that's what we call limits right now.

Sometimes many of us we are free to do anything

we like, go anywhere we like, or fee can walk

anywhere we like. But that's why Jesus had to get

nailed on the cross. All right on, behalf of our sin.

So nail to the cross can't walk one all right.

Hence nail to the cross can't simply do anything moving

on Matthew sixteen was they say here and Jesus told

us his disciples, if anyone would come after me, let

him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me.

If anyone says I want to follow Jesus, let him

deny himself, take up his cross, take up his cross.

The cross represents suffering, all right. The cross represents death.

Death to self, and follow him. Follow him in every way,

not just the nice things. Follow him even through the cross.

For whoever would save his life will lose it. But

whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.

Amen.

Amen, then, Luke Chapter fourteen, whoever does not bear his

own cross and come after me cannot be my disciple.

I want to be a disciple of Jesus, that I

need to be able to bare my cross and come

after him.

Otherwise, he says so clearly, you cannot.

If you don't bear your own cross and don't follow him,

you cannot be my disciple.

Strong words from Jesus. Then one more, just one more.

Then I'm gonna well give us the next point here, believed,

do not be surprised at the fiery trial when it

upon you to test you as those something strange were

happening to you, But rejoice insofar as you share Christ's sufferings.

As you share Christ's sufferings, that you may also rejoice

and be glad when his glory is revealed. Yeah, I

was suffering, ends up in joy and glory. Okay delivered.

Do not be surprised at the fiery trial?

Is that sorry? Next? Peter? Yeah? Is there? It's also Peter. Yeah, right,

this is one.

If you are insulted for the name of Christ, you

are blessed.

Ah.

If you're insulted, then you're blessed because the spirit of

glory and of God rests upon you. But let none

of you suffer as a murderer telling you you'ret to suffer.

Don't suffer.

Yeah, this way suffer being insulted for Christ is blessed.

But don't suffer as a murderer. Right, doing bad things

that he suffered, He suffering for Jesus. Away. Okay.

There are different ways of suffering. There are different kinds

of suffering. Okay, there's a righteous suffering. And then there's

the sinful suffering, right as a murderer or a thief,

or an evildoer, or as a meddler. Yet if anyone

suffers as a Christian, so clear, let him not be ashamed,

but let him glorify God in that name.

Amen. Amen.

So what does this say here? Our suffering tells us

who we are. Our suffering gives us our identity. We

identify with Christ through suffering. So if you're going through affliction,

it's about how you go through it. Yeah, I mean

you go through affliction. Actually a lot of others also

do it, go through it, But how do we do it?

We go through it through Christ. We go through it

by faith, Okay, we go through it with hope.

Yeah.

So when your friends see you going through difficulty, but

then you're able to able to pray about it all right,

You're able to use God's word over it. And also

you have the church that comes, you know, around and

come together. You have homes, you have fellow believers that

come together and support.

So that's the difference.

And so our suffering tells us who we are, that

we are followers of Jesus and we are Christians. Amen.

Now finally we're going to close. Let's talk about Joseph

for a while. We talked about Joseph last week as well,

but now Joseph. You know, Joseph had a dream, right,

and then he told his brothers his family, and then

they sold him into slavery. And so when he went

through that, all his dreams seemed to be crushed to

the ground.

Like what happened?

I thought, I was, you know, gonna be a great person,

and they're gonna bow down to me and everything. Now

I'm far away from a family, you know, and I'm

in slavery. And so he went through one after another affliction, right,

sold the slavery.

Worked, and then God.

Accused, falsely accused, and then he went to prison, and

in prison he was forgotten right, right, he told this guy, right,

is it the cut barrel or the baker?

You know?

And then they forgot him, right, he interpreted their dreams,

and so he was left in prison for so long,

and then but finally he got out, right, by God's orchestration,

he gets out, and then anally the dream comes true.

He becomes the leader of Egypt and manages the whole famine, right,

and then his brothers come and then they finally bowed

on to him. Right, So, but he had to go

through pain and affliction. Joseph, what's the whole point there?

All right?

I want to tell you also, uh, well, the point

is our suffering prepares us. Our suffering prepares you the storyteller.

You have a story. You go through suffering, you have

a story, right, But the suffering also prepares you to

be able to live out what God has destined for

you to do.

Right.

We all need preparation, we all need to be prepared.

Joseph's a dreamer. He was the young young guy, right,

and he got a colorful code and things like that.

He was like spoiled, right.

His daddy loved him so much, and then all his

brothers were so jealous of him, and so he needed

to be prepared. He couldn't have fulfilled that dream of

being the leader to help with the famine if he

wasn't prepared that way. So he had to go through

that suffering. He had to go through the slavery. He

had to go through a prison.

Some of you here, you're at.

Your workplaces, you're in your studies, you feel like you're

in slavery.

Yeah, exactly.

We need to go through it all, right, some of

you you're going through right, you feel like you're in prison, right,

sometimes even in church, sometimes you were in church, right.

Many of us don't like it when we have to

go through discipleship when we have to you know, maybe

at homes or maybe you know, why were you doing right?

I give you example, right extreme. We have a song pool.

We call it a song pool. And that's why you're

singing the same songs. Okay, okay, sing the same songs

because some of you don't even know the songs even

though sing so many times, right if I shut the

lyrics and can't remember not by anyway, What I'm trying

to say is that we have a worship past us office.

We speak together, and we decided let's have a song

pool for like three months something like that, and so

there'll be songs selected, you know, by different worship leaders

from all across the church plants, and so some it's

you know, sometimes it's preference, right. I like the sound

of this song, I like the words of this song.

But it's a song pool. And so sometimes once in

a while, one worship leader will say, hey, I really

feel like I need to do this song. It's outside

of the song pool, and so goodla. At least he

tries to be accountable. So he comes back to the

worship pastor's office and says, hey, what do you think

about this? Sometimes the Worship pastor's office will say it's okay,

you know, of course it's suitable for whatever that is

going on right now. Yeah, But many times we just say, hey,

stick to the song pool because we took time to

look through the songs, you know, the selection, because we

don't just sing any song. You understand, right, Yeah, it

will be long explanation, but you understand.

It's it's we look at the words.

And sometimes some songwriters they write the song and in

contact with the situation they're going through there, and suddenly

you bring it in all the way. It sounds nice,

it doesn't relate, and we'll be looking at it.

What are they singing about?

And so we look through it and we try to

be careful, all right, and so that's why we have

a song pool. But sometimes, you know, many times, all right,

someone will sally come and say I want to do

another song, and then we say, you know, there's a

lot of songs in a song pool.

Right, let's choose one from there.

I think, thank you for the suggestion you want to

sing this song, but maybe we'll we'll consider it in

the next song.

Pool, Can we all right? Like do you really need

to sing it now? Now? Now? Right? By someone there?

Go like, but I feel like the Holy Spirit telling

me we must sing this now, like wow.

I mean the worship pastors will be like, I guess

the Holy Spirit is not talking to us. I mean, yeah, sensitive,

but we will say like, oh, thank you for that.

But I guess yeah, in terms of discipleship, sometimes we

would just say not to say, we don't want to

sing the song, but let's consider it for the next song.

Poll all right, can you you? Can you be okay

with that?

And sometimes when the song is suitable, we do say, okay,

let's do it. All right, So just to show you

an example, And so it's like, you feel like, what

putting me in prison? I feel like suffering?

All right? What are these leaders doing to me? Okay?

Uh, But that's that's part of it, isn't it. Right,

That's that's the sufferinger, right, And I mean trust trust us.

The w p O is not here to put affliction

on anyone. We're not here to give pain to people,

all right. But there's some things that we're working on,

all right. And there's a reason for why we do

some things, all right. Same for many things that we

do here, all right. A lot of it has to

do with discipleship, accountability, all right, and so I'm sure

many of us here when you get an answer, all right,

when you have a question, you ask, and then some

of your leaders might say something that is not what

you thought they might say.

You go like why? Right?

You can definitely continue to ask questions and talk, but

understand that you know the heart of the leader.

Is good. Is that the right place? Right?

If you feel they are evil, pray for them, pray

for them, ask God.

To remove them or ever.

Okay, you feel that you feel that you need to

pray about, but there are reasons why we do that, right, Okay.

I want to say a little bit more about church planting,

because we're talking about that right store being a storehouse

to be a church plant Uh, it's it's it's an

act of faith when we church plants an next act

of faith. Let me tell you a few more things,

maybe relating to my own story. We used to be

only one plant in Subang Jaya, and all of a

sudden I was sent out to plant ex Cyberjaya. Those days,

I know none of you were here except Olivia maybe

Andrew later on. Uh you know there are some others

you know Katy, you know this there they've been around

as well.

Urg.

But when I first came, I came with a group

of people who were from Suban and we came.

He prayed. It sounded all exciting, all right.

I agreed, you know, I say okay, pastor thank you

for sending me out, kicking me out in other words.

From Subang.

So when I came, Uh, first Sunday was awesome because

all the Subang people came. They came, they sat feel

you know, like we had drums and everything is right,

full band and everything not here. Lie was where cyber

View Ladge or beautiful hotel? Yeah, we were there. Then cool.

The following Sunday, those guys didn't come anymore because they

went back to Subang. Subang still carrying, still running right

ex Subank at the time, and so the few of

us came to x Cyber and we then reality hit

like no one is really here. There's a few people

that was past. I think Pasaniki came maybe the next Yeah,

and so it's a small group and more and more reality,

you know, hit me. And then I felt like did

pussic Kenneth kicked.

Me out.

Of the church this way? Because I really felt it,

and uh my, and and I I felt down. I

felt down. I'm not sure whether I shared with many

people at the time, but it was like two ways now,

Like I felt like, I think, I guess you trust

pass the Kenneth. But then this is that a part

I felt like Jeremiah, you know, Jeremih is like oh Lord,

It's like, oh, like, oh I should have been dating

the womb all these kind of things, all right, I

felt both two pools, and so, uh yeah, I did

feel down. But you know, I think that was a process,

and I think it's such a good process that many

of us need to go through, you know, pain and

problems and trouble and then turning to God. But because

of what has happened, I needed to read the word

of God a little bit more. I needed to you know,

look to Jesus and step up in faith a.

Little bit more.

And I thank God, you know, right now, with many

of us here. I don't feel that way anymore. I

wonder who is the next person to feel that way?

When we send you out, then kick you out, start

another one. Right, same with homes, right homes, homes. You

all love your homes, your homes, all the people there.

One day someone's going to have to start a new

homes because the homes is so packed, so many people.

It's hard to grow. When you're twenty people in the house.

Your house can't fit that any people. So we need

to multiply, we need to start the new homes. And

so some of you may feel that way again, but

that's part of discipleship. That's part of what we're doing here. Yeah,

Harley Lujah. And so our suffering will prepare us, and

you know, you'll be a stronger person. You will be

a more faithful person. You will be a person with faith,

with more faith because you will need to look to Jesus.

You will need to pray a little bit more.

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