Acts PJ Camp 2024: Talkshow (That All May Know)

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Yeah.

Right, So my job here is Inviteth Jonathan to talk.

No no, no, okay, so yes, just as you have none today,

we have team talk. I just learned about this just

a few an hour ago, I think, But I thought

it's also quite good, right, because we're here to talk

about the theme, right, and what's the theme that we

have for X church? And also XVJKM somebody shout it

out all my time that all right, so good okay,

and so maybe I'll just opened him for because I'm

a little bit nervous, and then I'll invite some of

my panelises. Okay, come, let's pray. Let's start. Thank you

a lot. We just want to thank you for this

beautiful morning and this afternoon, and we thank you for

each and every one of us here. We thank you

for bringing us safely here. And then we had such

a good breakout session earlier and not I prayer and

I know a lot that there's so much that we

have to unpack, so much that you already have spoken

to us. But even as we continue focusing on you,

I pray Lord that you will speak, speak through the

lives of your people, speak through the works of your hands.

And so just commit this talk into your hands. You

feel this interurced? Amen? All right, and so just let

me sit down for a bit. I've never done a

talk show before, but yes, okay, let me just introduce sir.

So we've been talking about the theme right that all

may know, and so we always talk about the how

how do we do it?

Right?

But I think there is one very important resource in

our lives that we barely use. As a Christian, I

don't know. I'm speaking for myself, and that is our

own salvation story, Okay, our own salvation story. And sometimes

you have You probably would know someone for many many

years we have been Christian. You've you've been such a

good friends with them, They've been such important people in

your life, but you may not actually know yah salvation story. Right.

Just look to your neighbor left and you're right right,

Ask yourself, do you know their salvation story? Actually?

Right?

And I think that's such a shame, because right, that's

all that God, your salvation story is all that is

enough for you to share about the costs. God is

so good, Amen, And so I pray that even as

you are inspired, even as you listen to some of

the salvation stories that we have that you will also take. Hello, Yes,

you also take the initiative that this camp, I will

know the salvation story of someone that is close to

me or someone that you've never met in this camp

and you can also continue this on and to share

this as part of your life. Okay, So, without further ado,

let me invite four panelists. Right, they come in pair.

So everybody has a salvation story, all right, Yes, so

even as the chairs go up, everybody has a salvation story.

But here we're just going to highlight or rather two

pairs of salvation stories. And we have a privilege that

we have both perspectives of someone sharing the gospel and

someone or at least showing God's love to one another,

and also someone accepting Christ. And we have that in PJ.

We have many many more and I think there's a

very good perspective that we can highlight. And so it's

not that their salvation story is any better than anyone else, right,

because each of these is the work of God's hand,

and so we just want to highlight it to really

really encourage one another about these stories. Okay, And so

can I invite my two pairs of panelists to come

and have a seat. Here. We have Yvonne and Eugene. Okay,

I will let them introduce themselves in a bit. They

will be on my right, and I'll invite Michelle and

Lee hy oh yeah, okay. Co all right, Okay, I

hope you probably have met them, some of you know

them very very well. But I will let them introduce

themselves for the benefit of those who may not write. Okay,

And so let's start with that a little bit of introduction.

You can tell us your name, where you come from,

what you do. Maybe you so a little bit about

your background, right, so that we have we set the

stage for the Salvation story. Okay, So maybe we will

start with Michelle.

Yeah, afternoon everyone. If you didn't know, also Michelle, share

a bone about myself. Yeah, So apart from my name,

I'm actually a licensed and registered counselor in Malaysia. And

I also currently I'm working with Lynette. Yeah. So if

you haven't followlyn Nettes, going to follow now? Yeah, choose

life okay. And then another thing is I also tutor

psychology in university, so I actually work for Monash. Yeah,

and I also am currently going to teach master students

in counseling. Also for yeah this batch. Yeah, so what else?

Thank you so much? Rights also ready really really puns.

That's where died, right, Yeah, so maybe I'll move on

to the next. Introduce yourself.

Okay, Hi, I'm Lee Qui. So I'm a researcher in

a small tech agent.

See, and.

I'm a first gen Christian.

And yeah, okay, so how you met before? Right?

She she just mentioned something called a first gen Christian.

How many of you are unfamiliar in this term? A

first generation Christian is someone who first uh they're the

first in their family to actually accept Christ or the

first in that generation. And so the and Michelle is

a second jen Christian. All right, yeah, okay, so let

me just introduce a little bit about them. Right, So

they are friends for long term. Can you tell us

a little bit more of how do you know each other?

There?

Maybe some special insights.

This was a long term friends.

So Lee and I go way back. So we actually

met in for one So we're actually high school friends.

We were in the same car us. Yeah, and she's

always been that very very cute, that very cute friends

very yeah. Yeah, Everyden's very very cute, very caring friend

I've been having. And yeah, she's a great friend overall altogether.

What else you guys share? Mm hmm maybe she has.

Mm hmmm.

Yes, as she just mentioned, we met way back thirteen

when we were thirteen years old, many many years already,

and she has she has been that very gentle, very kind,

very wise friend and even as she grew to where

we are right now, like she's even more wiser than

she was used to be.

Yeah, and.

Yeah right, oh yeah, the thin is also all ut,

I got despise for you, right and you will go

insm right and so afraid all up right, and it's

so good here.

Going to going together. Okay, then we have one design?

Did to produce yourself?

I want my name?

Yeah?

Yeah, My my surname is Tom So I'm actually I

got a surname.

Yeah.

I actually come from Sabah so uh and so actually

came to ex Church around twenty ninety uh because of work.

Yeah so and okay, so what do I do?

So actually I'm I'm actually doing had Track awards. Yeah,

so it's my my My job is to deal with people.

Yeah all right, and.

First Christian? Correct, Yes, I'm a Christians, very good all right, yes,

let's go on and we have Eugene.

Hi everyone.

Yes, I can tell I Firstian Christians as well, and

I always do is I write simple melody, simple simple tune.

I make a living of it throughout my whole life.

So I started music a long time ago, so so

I I guess I started going to church often is

when I was in KL. So I came to KL

for study for my degree study. I study composition and arranging.

So yeah, uh not started like pretty long ago from

where my sister went thirty nineteen, so I'm around there,

so yeah along the way and uh yeah until now

I'm work in the game industry as an audio editor.

So yeah, that's about it.

Thank you so much. Eugene and Yvonne, so a very

cheaty question. How do you know each other? Yeah, silks,

just in case you didn't know. So Yvonne and Eugene

I siblings in case you didn't know.

And so yeah, so so my mom.

Introduced me to him now when I was yes.

Oh yeah, very good. Okay, so you know you know

the age gap. You want to know evanceage. You can

do something if you ask, Eugene. But yes, so siblings, right,

So they are siblings. I think they have a very

very If you have siblings, you know your sibling dynamic

is very very unique, very very very unique. And so

we have a salvation story coming up from this sibling thing,

and so we will kind of look into that in

a little bit. Thank you so much. I have have

a pleasure of knowing them in my homes.

Right.

And Eugene also he says, simple music, right, simple music

don't come out in MPO and Okay, so if you

want to know more, you can ask him, right, I

believe he has some social Oh yeah, I wanted to say, yeah, anyway,

thank you so much. But let's get into it. Okay,

So now you know our people, and so we have

two sets of salvation stories that we want to delve into,

and I hope you really get a little bit. And

so we will focus first on the story of Equa

and Michelle. Okay, and so just for a little bit

of context, right, Uh, they were long term friends as

mentioned earlier and leeway except the christ uh true certain

efforts as well of Michelle in many different ones.

Right.

And so now you can actually delve into a little

bit of both both sides of the perspective and so

uh Lee, way, let's start from the very beginning, right,

how was your how was your family like when you

were young? Do you think about Christianity at all before

you accept the Christ young?

So a little bit of background. So in my family,

they are actually free thinkers. So before I know Christ,

as I recover when I was really young, I just

know that christian is just a religion and to me,

like they are just English speaking people because I come

from a Mandarin speaking family. So uh yeah, that's all

I know. And I would say like before Christ actually,

now I look back, there are different people who introduced

Christ to me. And funny enough, actually my parents is

the one that who send me and my siblings to

Sunday School with the intention I was learning English, Okay,

So that's that was how I learned about Christ. I

learned about church. I know that there's Sunday School. They

read about Bible versus that I don't understand.

And that was that.

Then it stopped for a very short while we were

attended Sunday school. And after that we just told our

mom like we don't understand anything, like we don't go anymore.

So it just ended that and that was about it.

Yeah, how long do you actually go for Sunday school?

Oh yeah, probably like six seven, eight years old?

Like really young.

Yeah, okay, English speaking people, and I identify with that.

It's a funny story. When I was younger, my teacher

asked me what race was I and I say, I'm

English because I don't be Chinese, so I can't be Chinese.

But anyway, so baby, I don't know, but I know

I'm trying to learn my mendin I can. I can

laugh for five minutes, but yes, okay, but anyway, thank

you so much for that. Right, and so you only

met Michelle in secondary tool right at thirteen years old?

Right?

And so how was your secondary school like then? Yeah?

And then so after that, then I went to secondary school,

I met Michelle, but and then I came to know

there's like CF clubs where I think not just Michelle,

but also other people who my other Christian friends who

invited me to SAF clubs. But that time, I find

those people a bit too passionate because they're just overly friendly,

which is make me a bit awkward, Like, yeah, they

just came across too passionate and a bit.

A bit off. Yeah too, passionate, a bit off, I think,

very interesting. How many of you are introverts they can

identify research things. Uh over, Oh it's so overwhelming, I

think almost what do you think? What do you think?

Was a bit off? Okay?

So okay, but they're still nice, friendly people. But it's

just a bit too overwhelming for someone quiet or a

bit shy. So but to me, it was just like, yeah,

there are just a group of a bunch of nice people.

And that's how I remember, like what CF clubs in

in high school and all right.

Right, and so how did Michelle come into the picture?

Okay, so Michelle came in a picture when I think

I was in my film six like pre You, before

going to UNI, and that time I think she started

going to act, and then there was homes and she

she just casually asked like if I'm interested to come

to homes and I was like, oh okay, and then

she's roughly explaining what home is. I noticed that you

know these things are they eat food, they talk to

each other, they pray, then go back. Yeah, And then

that's how I remember homes. I came to I went

to homes with Michelle and also Marcus, so that time,

like actually, like Marcus was the one who's driving, as

I remember, like we have to break through the Subang

traffic on a Friday night to some homes in Subang,

and then yeah, then I can't. That time I came

to know a bit more like sometimes I'll ask questions

like the verses that I read in the Bible and

then But one thing was a bit more pivotal that

time was because there's always a prayer session, and they

always asked like, oh, is there anything I can pray

for you?

And I just let them know.

And I'm always very moved by prayers.

Yeah right, thank you so much for it. So you

talked about when you were a child, right, it was

just touch and go. I did so, but in maybe

in secondary school, then you start to see all these

questions what pray, eat, go, sing songs and go home? Uh,

And you have some sort of an idea. So now

not Christient, it's a little less foreign, uh. And you

are you. They are very nice people, sometimes over zealous,

over overwhelming maybe for an introvert person. I think different

people will connect differently to different people. But somehow Michelle

kind of too that, right, And so let's pause a

little bit, all right, and let's take a look. What

what was Michelle's perspective even as you met any first

impressions or auh, yeah.

First impressional. He good, good impression. I guess like she

always was that person. Like remember in for one and

from two, a lot of things happened at home and

I lost my grandma that year, and I still have

the note that she actually wrote for me and dore

On for me that I'm still keeping it. Remember that.

But yeah, she actually wrote on a jew do something

for me, and they actually encouraged me during that part

of time. And yeah, like that really left a lasting

in Bangla on our friends. She also despite us changing classes,

me being a librarian and she being a prefect, so

very different.

Yeah.

So now we still maintained the friendship over the years

as we went via at the end of the day.

But you finally invited her to seef sorry homes? Is

it in formsic? Something along? Okay, So what made you

finally decide to invite her in homes or something like that?

I need different thoughts or process or what do you

think I think?

Like course, she's my friend for very long already. And

there was also when I actually joined ex church. That

was back in twenty two, so very long already. So

I still remember when I was in cfly I actually

grew a lot more in my faith as a Christian.

So I remember there's this memeiverse that somehow they give

us out on Fridays before we go for CF. And

the verse that actually got was John fifteen five that

talks about I'm the vine, you're the bunches if a

man believes in me, and I n t you're very

much food if without me can do nothing. And that

actually was the memory verse that I memorized, and it

really starts with me for the longest time since the

teen years ola and one of the CFS that I attended,

I remember my CF teacher actually sharing the word Christian.

So she said, oh Christian, you can break down the

word Christ and I and I'm not sure where any

of you heard of it before, but if you remove

Christ from the word Christian is left with Ian. So

no Ian s yeah, but anyways, we are all Actually

I am nothing, so I ate and sands for I

am nothing without Christ. So that actually reminded me that

even to my friends efforts, my seniors, efforts of even

inviting they hate to like CF and stuff. There was

that passion that they had af for Christ and also

how they rely on Okay, just invite and see how

long I think. When we're younger, we don't really think

so much. When we got older, right, we learn a

lot more and then we start thinking a lot more

about like what what will leave we think about me,

which I admit I did think about that that time,

like which you want to think of me? Like, well

this ask me to go for homes, don't make me

the Christian?

Is it?

You know? I would have these kind of top processes

are and basically I'm also reminded a lot like even

yesterday at Homes there was a verse in X seventeen

twenty eight talking about for in Him we live and

move and exist and if you notice the word in him,

so it's about, you know, our identity in Christ, and

it's not our own strength that we move and we exist,

and when we have Christ we are able to actually

do so much more. But of course it took a

lot of prayer, a lot of intention, a lot of

like just asking and then see see how I see

how how God will move and even I myself as

a mental professional, I learned different therapy peace, and then

it's very normal that we think about like what this

person will think of me, how she perceived me. You know,

we don't be my friend anymore and we can't talk

about the talk about that. But I always tell myself

a very very famous question we ask in therapy, So

what's the worst that can happen if you were to

do this? So to me, if the worst that can

happen is she will say no, I won't go. But

there's always the word yet, So I maybe failed, I

didn't succeed this time, but there's another chance that I

can ask again, try again, and who knows when that

yes will come last. So in a way we can

consistently like still ask and see when the person is feeling.

So it's not by me asking. I believe it's even

to Holy Spirit like his help and how he's able

to also convict people's hearts around us.

Man, thank you so much. I think there's a very

good reminder, right we talk about Christ. Without Christ, you,

I am nothing right, and I think we always have

to remember it as we share. Right Christians is not

just about singing songs, praying and going home, eating, and

going home, but not without Christ. Then we are not

thinking so similarly. It's just as we quite interestingly, when

we were at homes yesterday, we also talked about evangelism, right,

And I think that's very apt. And one of the

things is that you know, it's really the work of

the Holy Spirit.

Right.

I think I want to also kind of latch onto

what some things that came up, right. I think some

things that we always think about when we want to

share about the gospel is that how will I be perceived?

And I think that's very very real, right, And it's

actually sometimes very true.

Right.

For example, lie who is saying that, oh, these are

really nice people, but they are really really really overwhelming

in some sense, and sometimes that that is a hindrance

in our mind, but somehow or rather right through persistence

and continuous But I think God will use different people

to reach different people, and that's that's where we have

to play our parts. Maybe and introvert will reach out

to an or extrovert reach out to issue, but that

doesn't mean an extrovert will not reach out to an introvert.

I think there are different things that will connect people along.

And so thank you for that really really good perspective, right,

and so you continuously invited the way.

Uh.

And then what happened after that? Do you accept price yet?

In high school? Okay?

So uh, it was just there and then and then

after that I went to Penang to study. And so

in Penang I met other friends, new friends, and also

of course I think some of them they were also Christians.

They also invited me to CF. Then we started going

to some events. But there came one quite important person

in this short this journey was one of my uh

unique senior. So so in hostile you stay in like

we call it a cubic made so in one role,

there's like few rooms. So she was my neighbor and

she actually one day, like I was in my toilet

or she might clothes. Then she just came to me

like got something for you, and I was like huh.

Then she she actually give to me a Bible.

Yeah.

So that time I was like why, like like why,

like I know, I know Bible is something very precious

to Christian So I was actually quite touched by that gesture.

And then she she didn't just stop there, and she

actually told me, like, you know, we can do Bible

study together like weekly, so since she just leaves neckdoor,

time is flexible. And then we studied the Book of

Live Together. Yeah, so there was the first time I

actually really studied the world of God, like ask a

lot of questions and then learn more about him. So

it actually ended there and then I just continue to

just go to CF events and then then I came

back do I tell the part?

Okay?

So after that, like that's why I begin to learn

to pray, learn to read. And then I came back

one uh, came back hometown here at ten ex Christmas

event and it was that ex suba and then that

time I think it was the outer call where pastor

can ask, you know, if you want to accept crist

to raise our hand, and that time I do have

hesitation because I still have that notion of like, you know,

it's just a religion. So I was just thinking, like

what if I read the whole Bible. I realized I

don't want to subscribe to this, you know, yeah, okay,

honest honestly speaking. But then that time I also know

all this while the peace the Holy Spirit that I

felt was no other religion or no other self help

book that can give and I know that he was real.

So I just like, Okay, then I just raised my hand. Yeah,

so uh yeah, that.

Was about it. A man a man, such a good

story rymn right, just how God's peace really spoke to her.

I just want to highlight a couple of parts from

that story, right, And he talks about how in university

someone just her senior, just gifted her a Bible and

did Bible study with her. Right, And so how many

of you think that it's pretty overwhelming or drastick right

with any one of you just go up to someone

and say, hey, I want to do Bible study. Here's

a Bible someone who is not a Christian. I think

sometimes in our mind we think that it's too much

or think that is over there. But for someone like you,

why it worked? Or I think ultimately right, it's up

to God's leading. Right, And unfortunately we don't have her

senior here to to share. But uh, what do you

learn really from that Bible study as you as you

as you look through it? Uh, what are some questions

that came about?

Okay, at a bit of context, right when she gives

them me a Bible and she did Bible study. We

really sort of like it's quite good friends because we

see each other every day, you know, So it wasn't

like she wasn't someone random and then just come to me.

So that's that explained why. Like when she gives me

the Bible and when she did the Bible study with me,

I felt like what did I do to deserve this?

Like why she's so nice to me? Like like it's

like as though someone just you know, give you an

iPhone new iPhone.

Yeah.

So so I didn't feel like, oh my god, she's

trying to convert me, but I just felt like, what

did I do to deserve her time?

Yeah?

So it was the foundational of you know, that genuine

relationship that we had earlier that led me to be

more receptive and less skeptical of her intention.

Yeah. So the genuine relationships, that's I believe that's the

same with with Michelle.

Right.

Yeah.

So, like when Michelle invited me to homes, also didn't

think was like, you know, is this a scheme or no?

I just know that, you know, she she just wants

me to go there. I was like, okay, yeah, just

why not?

Yeah, thank you? I think, uh yeah, I think it's

a good thing to highlight that you know, it's our

genuine uh, that genuineness if if someone can sense it,

I think, uh, they will realize that it's not really

a scheme. Uh, there's these different things they actually care.

I think as you remember has its code. I think

that people don't care what you have to say until

they know that you care or something along the lines.

And I think, uh, that's as very important. I think

to balance that thing of like am I being too

much or over tell us or over this versus you know,

just being obedient and to Christ to really take uh

an interest in somebody and really shower that care. And

because it's enveloped in that care, it doesn't feel overwhelming.

It feels it's not out of a certain right. And

so we we saw and as you receive Christ? And

then was that how long ago? Eight years ago?

Right?

And that was we all give thanks. I think you'll

be an even interesting perspective to see what Michelle had

from her perspective, and so you probably invited her what

was going onto your mind?

Right?

And give a look.

That I invited her for that Christmas service eight years

ago and anything else. I just invited her.

Lighting.

I think so much about it because to be inviting

her for homes really and she don't women she however,

Salvagian car I was like, I was like, you know,

like disbelief or like, you know, like to me, I'm

very curious, like what really like made her like raise

up her hand up. And later of course we had

like a conversation like, oh so so she like what

made you you know, lifts up your hands and she's

seen her do that, right, she made me tear up,

like what I felt very touched by by the act

of hers to want to receive cris for herself. Yeah,

and I think that also, yeah, you have probably your

context this going backwards a bit so like growing up

in a Christian family, so my parents first gan Christians,

so I always view like how come their fire and

passion for God is like for like up here in

the mind, it's just much of inila, Like I feel

like I can never compare to that level of love

and passion that they have for Christ. And I think

like through the different things that they've done through their

actions when I was young and younger then was things

like how as leaders back then in the church, they

will actually like drag us go first. The recent night

drive brave the jam and then they also were sell

good leaders, so they actually rand at home and then

we also ran al far at our own house. Yeah,

so there were a lot of different things are and

even like how I saw them consistently like praying since

I was a young girl. They were saying like, oh,

let's pay for these persons and you'll pray for their

salvation and remember them in prayer. So who is that

person that you can pray for and stuff? So I

guess like it kind of like made me remember like her. Actually,

prayer is very important. It's also important to even ask,

like God, is there any name that we can pray

for for even their salvation? And I believe, like, but

you know, in Him, with prayer, we can do so

much more than we ourselves can do as a person

because to do eternal things we need God's help that

we can't just rely on our own strength and the

end of the day and yeah, the moment really that's

why Hana like wa really like what and they're actually

like I guess impacted me in a sense like wow, okay,

I see like wow, God is so real and he

can really move flat even if he hates life, not

to me, but to even different different ones, just like

her senior, different different people that have investors invited her

throughout the many many years. It took a long time.

You know.

If I was like, invite her once and nothing happened,

twice nothing happened, then I might have just been like, Okay,

maybe nothing will happen. But I guess it's just consistently

large so waing and seeing how that will work. And

eventually when that happened, it was just very touching moment

for me, like seeing how God moves. And they also

encouraged me to even like try and share more about

Christ to people around me. Yeah, to even my ex

colleagues and different people around me.

Okay, so thank you so much. I think some key

things consistency, consistency in really really reaching out to maintain

that friendship even overseas, right, And I think I was

really cool to hear that how Tony and Ronica's life

right as a living example, also encourage Michelle to to

challenge and to challenge itself to really be obedient. Right,

So just some closing costs anything that you felt you learned,

apart from what you've really said from your whole experience,

and evangelism, if you have anything to say, I guess.

It's like it's I know, you know, when we see

the word evangelism or we hear the word evangelism, we'll

feel like there's a lot to do or it's very daunting.

But I hope sharing our story can show you a

glimpse of like everyone can do a part where it

can be as small as you know, just inviting someone

to church, you a CF and even Marcus was one,

or the sower like he drove us to he came

to my house and they're like seared me out to

go to homes and send me back.

Yeah, I remember that.

And then.

And the friend, I mean that the unique friend who

give the me Bible and things like that. But eventually,

at the end of the day, just remember that God

is always the one who has you are just being

part of His worker to whether you're a sower or

you're a water or you're one who just chows fertilizer

or anything. But yeah, God is always the one who

howers that the end. Then, knowing that, I guess hopefully

like you don't pressure yourself too much.

Yeah, thank you so much.

Let me sure you have anything I guess, just.

Echoing what Ley mentioned that every person matters are It

may be just your presence, it may be just you

being there, you're caring for them and doing different things,

but every single thing that you do, even your life

matters because wherever we go right we can actually carry

God's presence into the place, and we can actually impact

a person's life so much more than we can ever imagine.

So I guess one thing that even I myself always

ask myself is, you know, with every connection or opportunity

that I have, how can I maximize it? You know,

sometimes it's just randomly like sharing your testimony, sharing God's

goodness in your life. That can actually be a form

of evangelism in a sense. It doesn't have to be like,

oh you have to Bible, you have to a Ceri

Christ kind of thing, but you can also share your

own life and also being very mindful of how we

carry our own lives and even taking I guess, dominion

over the places are that we are at at the

same time, that can really matter because ultimately all glory

goes to God, and God can use you as long

as you're reading and you're willing to ask and seek

Him for wisdom and guidance and even a direction now

what to do and how to say, how to pray?

How do different things?

Thank you so much, Michelle and Lehuay. I hope you're

really really encouraged by their story, right, even, don't look

down on the simple things, the small things, right, everything matters, right,

maybe not to one specific person, but to many in

different areas. And so thank you so much for sharing

this pressure story. And I'm sure there are plenty more

amongst your and I pray that you will continue to

seek and find one another's salvation story. So much more

to glean from, but let's highlight one more, right, So

let's look, uh to Eugene and Yvonne. And so let

me first start with Yvonne. Right, So yvon just for context,

even was the first in her family to receive price

and so maybe we like to share a little bit

how all that came about.

Or so first of all, let me just about the

background of my family. So my family is actually pretty bilive.

They are Buddhists technically, so basically we do follow them

to temples, you know, whenever there's any like they need

to go temple to just offer I mean, technically it

is to offer incense and stuff and so on. Okay,

so in our family, basically it's just like a typical

Chinese family.

So we.

We I mean uh in a sense that both of

us that we we we are the inventary. We call

quite quite. So we actually very obedient, you know, like

we obey our parents and in any case that they

need to use king also like because we you know,

just a little bit more not the already. Yeah yeah,

so okay, so all right, so come back to the question,

how do I actually know about Christ?

Right?

So it's actually my high school friend, all right.

So it was when I was in my fourteen when

I was in from two fourteen years old, so there

was this friend actually out of random because that time

it was my class land Jutan. It was not my

official class, but it's just a additional class for us

to some sort like have tuition. Now, so there was

this girl who actually came from other class and in fact,

my seat right beside me, it was the only seat

that was available associated to sit there.

So like so from there we started to know each

other and then.

And sooner or later the next year, right, because we

have these uh some sort like you know, Uh, if

you are if your result is good, then you moved

to the best class. So actually I was in the

best class, so she moved over, okay, and then yeah,

so we started our friendship and so on. So she

shared to me how because she also a first gen No,

first gen not considered sorry, so she she she shared

to meet her her acceptance of Christ.

How how how did it go?

So it was actually her parents who actually wanted to

bring her to church. Yeah, so, and initially it was

her and a siblings oppose that idea. Again, so the

parents were considered the first jen I mean in terms

of Christ. So and then and then she shared about

like her activities in church events and so on. So

it's it's I mean I never heard of activities, uh

like church activities before because as I was quite sheltered,

I don't I never attended camp before. So yeah, my

my parents didn't allow us to go for camp because

of safety reason. I know, like when back when I

was seeing my uh primary school, all right, even they

got these Christian children camp got the flyers and over

and then like some or other, I did like ask

my parents can I go?

No, No, cannot go?

Yeah, because they are they are the type of you know,

typical protective parents, luck in you know, in a family.

So yeah, so from there, I mean from what my

friends have shard to me.

So I grew interested not because of God, because of

the her grams and events and so on, because I think,

I like, I mean, how happening is that? Like you

before that, it's like quite you know, you just stay

in your family, I mean, and most you just go

follow your parents to go grocery shoppings, all right, you

don't know about anything out there. So when she shard

about this thing, I really, oh, okay, that's fun. Like

they have very interesting youth programs as well, like water

war like basically yeah with chill water balloons and so on,

you know, like yeah, yeah, so that was one of

the activities.

And also we have very.

Large congregation because I mean not with her church initially,

so before I went to the church.

So yeah, very happening now.

So and then as she also shared about God that

she gifted me her her mom's Bible, So yeah, I

saw her mom's name Sama on the Bible. But yeah,

I don't know whether she gotta tell her mama, but

I think herman does a mind life.

Okay.

So, yeah, I got that Bible, so I tried to

read and then you know, understand, and also I started

to also because I had that had bit. Actually my

mom brought us to library every week and all, and

that actually grew interested because I think Bible at that

time for me, I was fourteen years old. I think

I couldn't really understand like a bit more so, actually

I borrowed the story books the Bible.

Story books.

Yeah, like the kids son, Yes, I imagine you're a kid,

and then you're trying to understand Bible too, story books

instead of the Bible itself.

Yeah.

So and then also like yeah, as you shared. And

then also she kind of encouraged me now and then

asked me to go to church.

Okay, so that is a quite a turning point, I

would say. Okay. So initially, because.

I grew up in my family, I was quite timid person. Okay,

so if any other thing that I wanted to ask

my family for permission, so I would like, m should

I ask?

It was really hard and.

I did try to ask, like for the first few times,

and I was rejected, Like why my mom would ask me,

why do you want to go to church?

Yeah, and then like and then then I tried to

discuss my.

Friend now so interestingly equated shard to me, like the

parents brought them to church because to learn English.

Rite.

So my friend actually told me, why don't just tell

your parents that you wanted to learn English?

There was one of the ways.

Actually it worked like it worked so actually I said, oh,

because I wanted to learning because my English was not so,

I mean, not so fluentla. Because we also my our

our come, I mean our language our it's it's mandrein.

So actually we don't really speak English at home or

even with people. Also we just you know, project now

and then yeah, but sorry, it didn't work like initially

so okay, then they said they did not, they do not.

They head a lot, but still no, cannot cannot go.

So I received so much rejection right at one point,

I was like, I think to myself, why why is it?

Why why was it so hard to go to church?

And then then I actually I had because multiple of rejections,

and it wasn't really friendly kind of rejection like restraighted

to the face, very stern.

Very firm, and then some more like.

Because my mom told me she she's like a tigerl

like she you know, very fierce, you know when she yeah, yeah,

my brother just said, whish mom is not tiger, right,

so to everyone is a tiger. Okay, she's fierce some

so it's it's really hard loss.

So so.

Then I had a breakdown. So actually I cried. So

actually I asked my brother, so could you help me

to ask whether I can go to church or not?

I asked him to ask my parents whether I can go.

But at that time, I don't think he know anything.

He's just a messenger. But did you ask her?

Okay, I'm not sure whether he remember. I think he

got lived.

I think he got he got asked, like I think

I think somehow like he asked like can just go

to church like very you know, like very pure, like

you didn't think much like why?

So yeah, so really, I mean it was really tough.

And then had to go through.

To reason also with them, with my parents and so on,

and so finally at one point, right my dad, my dad,

he's his softer like come back to my mom. So

actually he told me you can go after your PMR

because that year I was fifteen years old. So okay,

that's that sounds a good idea.

Yeah.

So actually, so during that period, there was something happened also.

This friend.

So this friend actually she's the one who introduced me

to God, right, But at the same time, also there

was something happening in our friendship, so she actually stopped

talking to me for a few months.

So and that.

Despite of that, right, I didn't stop thinking, Oh so

because this friend didn't talk to me, so I didn't

want to go to church already. No, I think at

that point of time, I knew my relationship with God already,

so that actually made me relying sttory like on God

more like, uh, I prayed to him every night and

then like really it was it was I was just

crying asking him why why this person you know, she's

been trying to you know, lead me to Christ? And

then why why did this happen? But but there was

a reason also because I guess it was my my

circle of friend It was not that big aware when

I was in my secondary school and I was fifteen,

so it was really, uh, you know, time, testing time,

a testing time also loved to actually for me to

actually to mix her around instead of just being friends

with her. So at that time, why why, I mean why,

I was set also because she shed so much about

her things and then suddenly just all of a sudden

stopped talking to me. Even I tried to answer, she didn't.

She just kept a straight face. No, never tell me

the reason. Also, but after that I found out from

another friend why But yeah, but I didn't really you know,

try to, you know, ask back all these questions. After

we got back, I mean we when our friendship got

well after. But yeah, so during that period also, yeah,

so during the few months that we didn't speak to

each other, right, So I really uh did ended on

God and then I pray and so all right, and

also I even asked God, like God, how how am

I going to prepare for pm R, because I guess

it's it's gonna be very hard because I couldn't focus

studying and it was a few months before pm R.

So but really just want to thank God during that

period God was with me until when I said through

my exam, I just said, it's okay, I got I

got B or, I got c U, so it's okay. Yeah,

I understand because I had to go on through this

this difficult period of time, not just facing my parents

but also this friend that I've been relying upon or

so so. But God was really good and when I

received my results, my PMR result, I got all straight

a's for my pm R. Yeah, so really thank God

for that. And yeah, my parents were really happy for

that also. And in the end I managed after PMR,

I managed to go to church.

Wow.

Yeah, yeah, so really thank God about it.

Oh, Glory to God and man. Yes, so first contident

PM master is. But also I think one of the

very interesting thing was that while the friend was the

one who shed to her and did all things supposedly right,

at some point eventually she failed or there was a

reef in it. But you will realize that, and at

least I noticed that. You know, it's God who draws her.

It's not really us right, and just as we share

we talk about it, sometimes we worry so much that

it's us right if I don't say the right thing,

and actually we will say wrong things. You will do

wrong things, We will do things which will push people

away from God in some somestances. But God is sovereign

and God is the author imperfective of if he will

draw the people to him, So we just have to

be obedient when we can when we should, and think

God will really really and then even secsmony is one

I think that the really shows that. So thank you

so much even for sharing that. Now let's look a

little bit into Eugene. Uh so, Eugene, when you first

started then a straight indent. Uh no, no, okay, maybe

we asked a so what what's was even really like

the first question that you met really.

Mm hmmm.

In their time around and I'm still h like a

like a kid, you know, just go with the flow everything.

You know, if there's playtime, you just go with the playtime.

And to me, uh, I see my sister, you know,

my sister.

Growing up, she.

She's kind of like a very cuest person and also

like to ask questions of character right.

And then.

And then I see the the persistence in her. So

see how she.

Going from you know, trying trying so hard, like all

all the things that she wants to you know, go

to the church, understand.

The word of God.

So that at that point I'm like, oh wow, this

thing quite magical can slightly change a person. You know,

her character back then was.

Like uh oh.

Likely, well no, no, no, no, no, I mean yeah,

uh yeah.

Maybe because of that story, like you become more obedient,

uh to parents specially especially and certain things that you

want that you need to work out to let them know, right,

okay that I want to work this out.

You know, I work really hard for that. So give

me that thing.

So you know, I'm not a straight air person. I

try to score, but cannot score those kinds of things,

you know, just as I said, go with the floor?

Yeah yeah, I to me, Yeah, like I said before,

music is life for me. So I don't care if

I get straight air or anything, but just you know,

if that things is really picking my interest, so I

sort of want to know more. Yeah, so yeah, that's

that's how I know that my sister is actually like

become a Christian. So yeah, you know, the Christian stuff

slowly u uh into my to my mind the next time.

Mm hmm.

So you you saw changes in uh and that picked

your interests to normal? Why is this this thing that

she she really wanted so much that I think, compare

to yourself, was really just go with the floor. And

why she's looking so hard for this kind of thing?

That is that what you think?

Yeah, I can see she always go out event like

always go out for what kind of event, like go

with friends? You know, maybe for for us here, it's normal.

For me, yeah, as the first gan. You know, we

don't really understand what the Christians always do, right, so

I can see her going around going to church or

going to event that's really a lot of event.

And I.

Yeah, I can see she always not at home maybe

but yeah, I know where she she go every time.

Yep.

So can you maybe talk about how you came to

christ after that?

After Yvonne, she also invited me to those events as well,

and U g got e very well to cover. Hope.

I go with the floor the Christmas party, let's go go,

and then I thought it was kind of fun. Whoa

got present? Whoat a bunch of kids together? Who let's

play together?

Yeah, and then we get to hang out different ones.

And then slowly I remember that one. Maybe it's not

in the know, but uh that's one event that uh

for salvation as well. But that days on Christmas Eve

and they call us and you know, and then to

be honest, if you ask me, I don't really know

what I did that time. So I just raised my

hand and then I thought, you know, I and on

the day they really asked, you know, believe in you know,

Jesus or a savior and all that. So I really

did believe that and then actually moved me from the

word during Christmas Eve, so it's kind of moved me never.

And then yeah, I raised my hand and then and.

Then someone I'll show us like a line like go

inside somewhere, and then came out from the other the

other end, what's going on? And then up with the

book with the CD and so I got and then

I brought the home with me like a like a

book blood like like you know the starter pack. Yeah yeah,

start pack. So yeah all Chinese, okay, Childese is fine.

Oh yeah.

So yeah, that's one of the events that uh yeah,

it's kind of interesting that you know, mm hmmm, uh

can say like being called yeah mm hmm hm and

uh and also not just about the event and all

the stuff.

I've been.

Involved, or I can say, uh in touch with Christian

since I was really young and I didn't even realize

mm hmm. It's just that I didn't know what the

practice is.

So uh yeah, I think when you were really young,

you had uh Christians that you met.

Yeah, so uh yeah, I just didn't realize that.

So yeah, then after that, Yeah, soul sisters of the

church all that realize understand slowly bit by bit.

But yeah, it's the kid, what do you expect?

M hm?

So when you accept the Christ, I mean there's one

word about the event right where you reish your hand,

and then they did the salvation pack or rather the

pack kind of thing.

Uh.

And so you didn't really understand it, but now you

understand it. Yes, And so how how do you get

from there to to now? Or did your journey of

faith actually grow from them?

Mm hmm.

Yeah, I can say, you know, at first, like a

look warm at first, it's like warm feelings.

Doesn't really care much, but in my mind.

About my own existence, So uh, that's also involving like

you know, I'm not sure if this happened with anyone here, like.

When he was like a little kid you asked, you

start to like question what is old thing about?

You know?

M hm, and then like why am I here? Yeah? Yeah,

so maybe for a certain people that they can relate

to this.

And yeah, if you talk about my starting point was like, uh,

you know, start the question, Uh, if there's anyone that

you know created created everything, including the trees, the mountains.

And yeah, that's big my interest.

So yeah, and that's doesn't really establish anything my understanding

because still young.

So then after that.

Fields after uh, then things to start to you know,

see more clearly. Uh as.

When I was I think when I was like eight

or nine years old around there.

And then.

I saw my mate. You know, I have a filmmates

so so and they're all they were all Christians.

So what they did that.

They will talk to her themselves at night, you know.

And then.

I was, you know, very very curious what they what

they did, right, so I went to his uh, to

their room right and then and then she was like

with the with the Bible with a book. I didn't

know what the but it's a book. So I asked her, like,

why do you talk to yourselfe? And then no, I

talked to Jesus. She said, h I did not that

work called devotion, you know. I just came to the room.

Oh okay, and then oh, there's a book. And then

I tried to flip a field of pages.

Wow.

Oh but hassa h or you understand no Chinese, no English,

give it back. But I still remember the the.

The book of it.

Yeah, it's a black hot cover with the pink side

of it. If you all can relate to that. So yeah,

and then to me, uh, I can always hear them,

you know, talk to them every night. Yeah, yeah, every night.

So yeah, and I didn't know all the time. And

then after that, m yeah, come to my sister. And

and also there's one if I can recall, uhs when

I was in high school and when I was from.

UH.

And then there's this uh guy which my friend of

my sister and the time we were in the bus

stop just outside the school and then she came to Yeah,

we we're both in the in the bus stop, so

we're waiting our parents. I think so, so we have

time there three time there there this one guy came

to me with I think it's your friend, so uh

he came with the moltia I think so. And then yeah,

she just asked a sister and you have some time,

you know, Oh, she can talk to you to the brothers.

So I remember he took out the small booklet like

the yellow booklet, and then he start you know, introduced himself.

Likeh blah blah blah.

You know, you just want to know you know, and

then he started to explain the stuff inside the book,

which is in Chinese.

Yes, so certainly or something like that.

Uh. That's why I still remembered to this day because

how I felt the warm, uh like really warm, even

though I'm not really understand what he tried to say,

but I can feel the warm there and then still

inside my mind, and that was quite uh kind of

really moved me. Now, you know, I want to know

more maybe you know.

And then I think I did.

Uh. I asked my sister about he and there, but

you know, sometimes you just don't need to ask she

she will just tell you everything. You know, what giving

to the church, really nice people there and then uh,

I did this kind of then and then and then

share some Bible versus to me and then what what

the worst telling about? So eventually from there I slowly

to develop a little bit understanding, you know, slowly but

one at a time. And then after that she was like, uh,

start to see more her Christian friends. So yeah, as

I told him earlier, Uh, I go to Christians part

the Christmas Christmas party over again. Those food things. When

I see food, I golla. So that's that's a short thing.

So yeah, and uh and then ow all this stuff

and then I really can feel the warmth there.

Mm hmm.

That's something that I didn't really experience in other places,

even though I can relate to live here as well,

like whoa, the energy really higher they are over us,

and to me, yeah, as introvert, I do feel a bit,

but that's just fine. I mean, just we get used

to it them so but ultimately to me, they're really

nice people. And then that's where I felt more of

the warmth there, and then it tacked me and want

to learn more about it.

M hm.

Thank you for your talk show. Yeah, team took some

time really to you know, plan the whole thing, so

thank you. Thank you for all your stories. Okay, just

ignore that hallelujah.

But are you okay?

Are you okay?

All right?

So I think we're going to be doing the rooming

in a bit, but before that, maybe one or two announcement.

But so far you guys okay, Praise the Lord hallelujah.

Is it too cold? Sorry for that? Someone say no?

So maybe later we bring some black