Let's Talk Discipleship | Pr Alvin Keng

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My message title is called Let's talk about Decipership.

Why will be very requiet. Let's talk about thecipership. Okay?

Why So this year our team and every year we

have a team.

Okay, Basically, I'm not gonna go too deep into how

it came about and or if you want, please talk

to your home leader, please talk to other people.

But I'm just gonna share.

About the team this year, how it's significant in the Bible,

and how it's significant to us, and hopefully all of

us here will be able to either participate or apply

it into our lives. You'll catch that, Okay. So I'm

gonna try my best to break it down distinct called decipership,

because I'm sure a lot of people have a lot

of concept on decipership, a lot of ideas on decipership,

a lot of misinterpretion or interpretion on discipleship, a lot

of fears on the discipleship. Or discipleship in exch means

someone's going to control my life and call me every

day and force me to do things I don't want

to do. Okay, maybe I don't know. I'm just going

the area of negativity for a moment. Okay, but can

we talk about discipleship? It is here now like now

can can can?

Sorry?

If you're first time here, you as you can see,

I prefer some response.

Okay. If I'm saying something wrong, say help him.

Lord, tough crowd this morning, Lord, tough crowd, tough crowd.

Our team this year is discipleship first, disciples first. Orr,

You're not discipleship, but disciples first.

Right. The word disciple is not alien to you.

If you are a Christian, you know that we are

disciples of Christ, Amen, Cory not we're disciples of Christ.

Okay uh.

And it is significant to us to be a diciple,

to be a follower. Okay, And let's go to the Bible.

Let's go to the scripture, right, so Manthe twenty eight.

I'm gonna read for verse sixteen. Then the eleven disciples

went away into Galilee, to the mountain which Jesus had

appointed for them. Then they saw him, they worshiped him,

but some doubted.

Do you know that.

All of us here can be believers, but some of

us can still doubt. But do you know that we

are still together. It makes sense. Not right, all worshiped,

but some doubted. So I'm not sure some of you

here today will probably be wondering in some of the

things you say I cannot accept or I don't understand,

or not I cannot be Truella, And it's fine, it's okay.

Nothing against you, right, because even then some of them

doubted some of the eleven.

But of course later on we learned that you know through.

The infeeling of the Holy Spirit and true different things are.

All the apostles did great things for the Lord, even

though sound then doubted.

Seeing Jesus.

Sometimes you can see the miracle, you can see the testimony,

you can see God move in your life, but you

can steal doubt. My encouragement today is that when you

see you don't doubt, but you give Him the glory

when you see things happen. Don't go like Yalla, you

know I'm just lucky.

Lah.

No, Maybe God is working in your life and you've

got to acknowledge that. You got to acknowledge God in

your life. Don't take things for granted.

Amen.

Sorry, are preaching and teaching. I hope you guys can

receive it, okay. So he says, heyah, and Jesus came

and spoke to them, saying, all authority has been given

to me in heaven and on earth.

Right.

I think this is something that for those of you

who are here, you understand that we believe as believers

that all authority has been given to Christ, the authority

of sickness, the authority in this world has been given

to him. That's why when we pray and when we

ask God for things, we say in Jesus name, right,

because we are calling upon Jesus authority, not my authority,

not your authority, but Christ's authority, because all authority has

been given to him. So we pray in his authority.

Your catch that, okay, We pray in his authority. And

he says, go therefore and make disciples of all nations,

baptizing them in the name of the Father and of

the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to

observe all things that I've commanded you and law and.

With you always even to the end of the age.

So we say that this in acts, we say that

this is our first priority, right, first priority in our

life is Jesus last commandment, is the last thing He

asked his disciples to do right, and we bring his disciples.

Should make disciples your catch that your catch that? Okay, right,

So rewind a little bit more. Rewind a little bit.

Why are we Christians? Why do we need to accept Christ? Okay,

because it's God's redemption plan for men. This like elementary stuff.

I need to address this just before I talk about

this ypership. We got to understand that we receive Christ

as our savior. Right, we receive him as our savior,

and we say, Lord, I receive you, and I admit

that you are my savior. And because of that you

have forgiven my sins, and with that I have a

relationship with you and a relationship with the Father. It's

all Scripturaler Jesus constantly say that you cannot go through

the Father, accept through him, and He's the way, the

trophy and a life.

Okay.

This is foundational stuff. Okay, if you disagree with it,

then please go to read your Bible some more because

it's super foundational. I'm not going to go too deep

into all the other things. But we have to understand

this first because if we don't catch this, we will

never understand desciper ship.

Or discipleship.

We will be a different form, right, a different understanding,

a different lifestyle. You know, discipleship might look like dressing

everybody must dress like me, Dan, but that's not true

and we shouldn't buy into that. So we have to

understand first why are we believers? Why do we receive Christ?

Why must we receive Christ the foundation of our faith?

Because God wants to redeem all of us from sin

and from death. And that's why Jesus came. Your catch

that to address at first? Kay, That's why Jesus came.

But have you thought about how is Christ going to

share this word? That's why we use the term good news.

We're sharing the good news to be built. Hey, you

don't have to suffer in sin anymore. You can be

redeemed through the blood of Christ, and through that you

are saved. And all you need is to act accept him.

How simple is that? Accept him, not change your name,

not start wearing crossers, nor accept Christ in your life.

Amen.

I hope it's not too deate for your Okay? Because

it is salvation to save us from our sins?

Right?

Why we need salvation so that we re establish a

relationship with God, so that whatever that I prayed for

just now can happen. See, without the redemption of Christ,

I have no right to pray to God because I'm

a sinner. If I don't acknowledge Christ in my life,

I don't acknowledge that God saved me, then the prayer

that I prayed just now will be But not, you

get I mean your catch that're not We don't do

things just because we do things. You know there is

a reason why we do things. Not and it's not

just a ritual we do. You know, it is a reality.

Your catch there not because if you're not care it

becomes a ritual and then it becomes all about transaction. Oh,

when I sin and I do re bet, then God

won't help me. God doesn't work that way. We have

to understand the reality of who we are as believers.

I'm accepting this guy into my life that died from

my sins. You guys know the scripture John three sixteen.

Let's read it together, for God so love the world

that He gave.

Amen. Hey, you guys need to know this scripture.

Know it is such a common scripture that we can

quod now that every Christian know it.

But we need to know it, no know it in

our heart.

No, for God so loved the world that he gave

his only Begoddess, only only Christ, that whosoever anyone believe

in Him shall not perish but have eternal life. Please

remember the scripture. Please don't think it for granted. Please

don't rely on your Bible. App Amen, you're catching something.

And sorry, I have to speak truth to your I

hope you guys can take truth.

Right.

So, the last commission or instruction that Christ gave to

his disciples, Okay, why discipleship? Ever thought about it? Why

did God chose the strategy of discipleship to advance the

message and lifestyle and understanding?

Why?

Why not just prepare a sales pitch, prepare a PowerPoint,

prepare a video and show you that this is the way,

and then your follower? Ever thought about it? Why did

go use? Why is God.

Decided to use disciples instead? Have I thought about it?

Now?

I'm sure you're probably okay, based on your stairs, I

don't think you've thought about it. Sorry, I I think

personally I'm naturally a skeptic. See I'm saying that. It's

also funny because I'm a pastor off a church how

can I be a skeptic?

Right?

But naturally my default set thing is that I'm very skeptical.

One right when it is I, I remember, I wish

because both us are similar and in the way we

think a bit critical, a bit skeptical. So when a

prophet come in profers Siwana, I get super skeptical. One

really really right, And I like to ask these questions.

One got what you do is got? What you do

is got? Why to do this? And you want to know?

The cool thing when I ask these questions, God actually

answered me. You know, God actually showed me true scripture, Elvin.

This is why I do it, Elvin, is why as

I more critical about the scripture, more critical about what

I believe that God reveals. Do you know that that

itself is scriptural, that the Bible says or Jesus said,

you know that scripture that says, ask and you'll be answered,

Knock and the door will be open to you. Hey,

it's for all of us, know, meaning if you actually

ask God to clarify some things, he will.

Speak to you. That is my firm belief.

You don't have to you don't have to have a

title like a buzzard title because this is something that

I've experienced from a young person until now. Right, you guys, okay,

So why did God decide to use discipleship as strategy?

Have you thought about it? Never mind, Let's go deep

into discipleship and try to understand. Actually, God, why you

use the siper ship?

Why not? Just like now, alah, you know, the.

Strategy is you invite your friends and then I appreciate

them and then that's it. Right, No, he's discipleship, you know,

you know, it's discip Discipleship is messy, Decipership is personal.

Discipleship is painful. Decipership is more fun.

Decipership is I got to show people my life how

messed up my life is? You know, wait, I guess okay, okay,

let's go the definition of deciper ship. You're okay, not

you're like not excited or don't worry. I I it

will get better, you get better.

Okay.

So the definition of decipleship, So in the Bible, when

you study the word discipleship, of course, uh, if you

study King new King James, sorry King James version right,

which is the translation from the actual Greek to English, right,

it doesn't have the word disciple make disciples. In the translation,

it says teach them. He talks about teaching, teach them, teaching,

okayh meaning it's an action word.

It's not a it's not a noun. It's an action word.

Right, And to teach them is I'm not gonna attempt

to pronounce this, guys, scare I'll say it wrongly. But

the meaning behind this Greek word mateo okay, son, Simathias

or Matthew is to be a disciple of one is

to follow the person's precepts and instructions.

Follow the instruction.

Okay, Jesus, you say this, I follow this, then I'm

your disciple, right right. It also means to make a disciple,

to make someone, or to teach someone, or to instruct someone,

kind of like what I'm doing right now. I'm trying

to teach or instruct you, guys, in regard to the word,

in regard to the understanding of your catch debt. So

in a weird way, I am discipling your well not

realize it's correct, right, I am trying to instruct, but I.

See whether or not it's effective.

I'm not this another matter because some here might be doubting,

some here might be anxious something here. You don't know me,

you don't know me enough, or maybe you haven't read

you by way enough trust me enough to receive total lead.

You're your catch st so effectiveness maybe one hundred percent there.

Okay, But we talk about disciple ship.

Right is to become a pupil, right to enroll as

a scholar, a scholar.

I'm a scholar. I study. Right.

We've got a lot of scholars here. We've got a

lot of people who did masters pH d. Right, tell

you they got doctor title a lot, right. How many

doctors we have? We got doctor Jason. He's a medical doctor.

Okay. He's the only medical doctor that is legit can

help you on. Okay.

All the other doctors medically they can help you on. Okay,

So go to him, don't go to them. Okay, I

think doctor Jason. We've got doctor zn right. Do you

know that he is a doctor. Yeah, yeah, work haard,

Mam must call him doctor. Okay, to disciple, to instruct,

to teach, Okay. The noun of disciple is okay, I'm

not gonna pronounce it because I would definitely say wrongly. Okay,

it's a learner, pupil disciple one who follows one teaching.

So if I take that direct translation of discipleship and

understanding of the discipleship, that means that when we say

we are disciples of Christ, we should follow the teachings

of Christ.

Correct.

Okay, I'm gonna ask a question that might be out

to you. Are are you following the teachings of Christ

in your life? Don't raise up your hands, yes, pat Elvin,

I'm following ABC.

What but dfg uh? God cannot be talking about that, right?

Or we pick and choose?

Or are we fully following what Christ teaches us? Because see,

that's truly being a disciple. Okay, amen, are you guys

catching it on right? It's not just to come here

and to worship and to no, No, that's not being

a disciple. That's just joining a program. Being a disciple

is to follow the teachings of Christ. Right, to grow

in the teachings of Christ. It takes time to learn something, right,

My brother Alving, yep, I still remember last time when

we were younger and looking at no girlfriend yet and

we were talking constantly, Stay young, amen, he looks young, La,

maybe not me like he like? He looks young. He

looks looks like some Hong Kong stardy. And I remember

and he was in it work and all that kind

of stuff. And I really I'm from my brother because

every time someone says, oh, you know I do cybersecurity,

I have a I have a SUPERSTARFF and I introduce

you to you know, if I got a chance, and

he he and I remember having conversations him about, you know,

career progression and you might not know.

This, but he he.

He continued studying what he was working, he continued taking

That is, basically, there was no clear pathway for him

to do what he wanted to do.

I still remember him telling me this.

And he had to invest his own money, not Malaysian ringgate,

by US dollars to get certification on certain qualification that

will allow him to lend a role to learn more. Wow,

isn't that a disciple of cybersecurity? I mean fanilla sounds fanilla,

but correct. He's very quick what he does are okay,

please ask him where he's going after that. I'm just

I'm putting him on the spot. But you see, committed

to learning, committed to growing. Are we committed to following

Christ and learning Christ? Or is it going to just

be how the church treats me. Then I respond how

the leader in church treats me that I respond, no, no, no,

no no. The learning depends on who else or who

He had no teacher, he had no Bible. But my

friend who's doing very well right now, path his way?

Do you know that? Now? How many years are are bro?

Ten years? Fifteen years? Do you know that? Now?

They have degree on cybersecurity? If only it came out

last time? Right, they have degree on cybersecurity? You know

now now after.

So many years?

I mean you know what, you just wait like you

wait for another ten years for the degree in cybersecurity

to come out.

There only you start learning.

No, there was no way the commitment to learning, the

commitment to be a disciple of friends. Are you catching

something or not? Are you catching something or not? Whose responsibility?

Someone asked this question, whose responsibility is it? Is it

God's responsibility to teach me? Or is it my responsibility

to want to learn?

Yes?

Yes, yes, I understand. When we are younger, we don't

want to learn. Okay, I have smoke kids. I know

when we are younger, fos have to have to face.

I have to I don't want to go to school

out today.

Can you have that kind of attitude when you're in college, Gola,

you will fail. I don't want to go across to

day and your parents say, hello, I paid seventy thousand

a year to send you to this college. There is

a consequence, right, and you have to grow up and

make grown up decisions because you are mature hopefully now.

But when you're young. Yeah, So when someone comes into

our church and they are young young Christians, don't let's

not equate young with age young Christian. The person can

be fifty years older but have no idea about the

thing called Christianity, no idea about how to follow Christ.

Do you know that they start with the starterback We

teach him how to pray. But do you know that

God also is guiding them? Because I tell you, friends,

I'm very jealous for young Christians because I Christians so long.

I yeah, I feel sometimes, right, I have to pray

harder to get what I want. I'm just joking, joking,

don't jealous. But nah, a young Christian now pray one

time happening radio and but for us, you have to

like fast pray neil, you know, like you know. Then

then then then then maybe we'll see a sliver of

God doing something. Friends, isn't it like life itself? I

am for the for the treat this year, I think

on your account? Yeah, for the treaties.

Yere.

Imagine me go to my father, Daddy. I don't want

to work out today? Can you work for me?

Yeah? Wow? Exactly? Wow? Right? Wow? And I got two kids?

No?

Wow?

Indeed? Can I act like that? I can't. I just

buck up. I have a very bad day. Just I

we wear a bad day. I don't go work.

I don't feel like it. I don't feel like it.

I don't feel like I'm in church. Sounds very funny,

right I'm saying it here. No, I'm just just buck

up and do what I need to do because I'm responsible,

because I'm mature, because I understand pain, and it's more

painful if I don't do it later on?

Are you catching something?

So?

The definition of a disciple is to be a learner

everyone here, friends, wherever you are in your faith, you

should want to learn more about Christ. But beyond learning more,

you should want to follow what you learn about him.

He talks about forgiving. Are we better forgive us?

Nowadays? He talks about praying for the sake.

He talks about faith faith as big as are we

quick to praying all for people. The more we learn,

the more we commit ourselves to Him, the more we

grow in our faith, the more we grow in our faith.

And can I give you another encouragement, God meets you

where you're at. I think I'm saying the few times

before God will meet you where at He's not gonna

or you know something, we have this perception like, oh,

once I say yes to God, He'll send me to Timbuktu.

He's not going to do that. Friends, he will send

you to Desa amal.

Jaira first twenty minutes away to go and meet a

refugee kid that lost their grandmother. I went to Ams

I think a few weeks back, and I brought my

youngest son and they were so encouraged, and we had

kids there misplaced because of the war, and there was

a child that very mature and all trying not to

cry sharing. I said, what can I pray for you?

And said, I want to pray that my parents have

enough money so that we can fly back to see

my grandma. Where where you fly back to Indonesia Indonesia

or expensive our friends, because my grandma's not doing well.

She's going to pass on soon. I want to see

her face to face.

He's not going to send you to Timbak too first, No,

he's going to send you to these places in Malaysia.

Ex Elma to Mini, to these people.

There is a call on our lives, friends, there is

a call. And when we obey God and when we

follow Christ the Holy Spirit. Leaders, Amen, let's talk about

the heart of discipleship. And there was a slide that,

you know, I think Pastor flashed up in the Global

Leaders and I thought it was just so simple, you know,

because when you talk about discipleship, there are a lot of

forms of discipership. Oh come, let's go and do a

discipleship program. Oh come, let's go and do a Bible

study so that we can learn more about Christ. So come,

let's let's let's all kinds of programs are friends. But discipleship,

the heart of discipleship is simply this, to be like Jesus,

to do like Jesus, and to make more people of

the same. Is it simple enough for you now? Is

it simple enough for your now? Are we being more

like Christ? I asked myself that question. Every day, am

I being more like Christ? Am I being more like

a devil?

Until now? I'm learning things though. Let me give you

an example.

So I'm very as you can see as I'm preaching,

I'm very quick on now with my I'm very trigger trigger,

very fast triggered and not fast triggered lot, but trigger happy,

okay when it comes to certain things, especially when you

know I'm in a conversation, and my wife has constantly

My wife is a more chill person in the family,

So my wife has constantly encouraged me. Okay, your system

encouraged me to be a little bit less quicker when

I'm talking to my kids because I was straight away

because I know what they want, ma, they were on it.

I was straight away.

That's me alat, But wouldn't it help with our our

communication relationship if I can just shut up for a

few seconds and listen to them.

Because where am I rushing to?

Right?

Right here?

Where am I rushing? I'm not rushing anywhere. See, I'm

learning this. I'm forty two. I'm learning this, okay, and

I'm learning to let my eldest talk. And my wife

now now she I can see her out because like

she she does this to me a few times a day.

So I does.

I can't always feel that, so that when I feel that,

like okay, be going, he helps, he helps, he helps.

In last I don't feel that like just say only

you know I can feel this. I feel that like okay,

come down, come to then and wait wait for the

rest one. And it was good because yesterday or so

I just used the example. So yesterday, he's growing up.

I'm so thankful he's growing up. It's big boy ready.

First time I think went for teens, uh Stean Smogle

you know me, and I think they Then first time

I was all right, yeah, Dean smog up, things are

growing up. When and then they had dinner after that,

so we asked him an we give hi choice loud

and more mature. I said, so boy, do you want

to go to dinner or not? We asked him now

right then he like, I don't know. Up to you.

Then we're like, no, up to you, you know, and

then in the end he's like, okay, if you're okay,

I'll go there. Like okay, go there and gave me

some cash, you know, I say, hey, make sure you

pay her you know, because first time, first time, first time,

a lot of first time, make sure you pay for

a meal and all that kind of stuff. So uh,

they went, they ate, they came back. He gave him

the car and then he he he he said, he

said I didn't pay for my meal, and I got

gun junk no because I feel bad. I'm like, huh

didn't pay for a meal. Then I straight away reacted.

Then my wife stopped me and say no, teacher team

already blanche him. They're like oh and then because again

this is how trigger trigger quick, I am my.

Son felt bad and then I to deal with that.

After that, why so triggered b and we actually had

a conversation. He said, I wanted to tell you already

that I didn't pay for my meal because teacher team,

because I was first time. Then teacher Tam wanted to

bless me, and then I did, and he feel badter No,

of course I gave him the cash. He's training bout Xanila, right,

and he felt bad. He's like that is not happy, right,

And I said okay, And I actually had to tell him.

I said, thanks for sharing me son. I I'm sorry

because I have a tendency to jump into conclusions, and

I have a tendency to say things quickly without hearing

you out.

So I apologize. I hope you forgive me.

And then he come down. He said, okay, Thede, I

forgive you, and I said thanks. Now I said this

something I need to learn. This something I need to learn.

I need to learn to be not quick to say,

but to be slow to say. You know who else

is slow to say?

Jesus?

He listened to you first. He asked questions. You know nah,

like that you singer you? He doesn't do that, Thank God.

I am not Jesus. Okay, I want to be more

like Jesus. Okay, funny story, are you guys catching something

and not? We should be more like Christ, right, we

should be more christ Like.

Amen. I pray you have that.

And again, it's a it. We all have our default thing,

but we have to slowly get out of it. We

have to sortly lead ourselves out of it. Friends, Can

I tell you one of the biggest lies that's been

told us or that we have accepted in our life

right that it will be a detriment or progress this liar,

I am like that one accept me for who I am, friends,

can I lay.

That to rest?

We accept you for who you are because in this

church we accept everyone. You know why because God accepts everyone. Okay,

so let's not argue about that accepted. Everybody is accepted.

Here, how poor, how rich you are, how much you

do dress, whether you wear nice or not, whether you

are fashionable nor fashionable, we accept you.

Please come, We love you. Please come. Jesus accepts everyone.

But don't stay there your catch it. Don't stay therehead.

Don't use that as an excuse.

I'm not that one.

I will never clap my hands and jump. And you

know because some req I pray in my heart. Friends,

the Bible says, if you don't say anything and you

don't praise, the.

Lot that rocks will cry out.

Okay, Bibles say no, I say yah, friends don't believe

in their life.

We all can grow, We all can progress. Yes, you

might be not like that now, it's okay, but we

move forward. We don't know like Christ yet, It's okay.

We continue and and some of us here are better

some things. Some of you here are better at encouraging people.

Some of you have very compassionate one I am super

non compassionate at all.

That's why I say that. You know, people don't believe

me by I don't think I am but something. You're

very compassionate.

One.

You've got the heart of Jesus. You know the heart

of mercy. Praise the Lord.

You have that gift. Right, I am unmerciful. I need

to learn more mercy. Can we read some scriptures today?

I guess okay? You nine? When he treated he says it.

Then he said to them, if anyone desires to come

after me, let him deny himself and take up his

cross daily and follow me that scripture itself and just

destroy all that. I'm like that one. Yeah, you're like that,

but you got to deny yourself.

Right.

One of the greatest for those of you and Mary

understand is why did the Bible say? Yes, the Bible said,

why submit to your husband? But the biblesill added, husband,

love your wives as Christ loves the church.

How did Christ love the church? He later his life

for the church.

Right, Husband's you're feeling it now, you're laying out a

lot of things, laying down your PS five. Let him

deny himself, take up his cross daily, and follow me.

For whoever desires to save his life will lose it.

But whoever loses his life for my sake will save it.

John thirteen twenty four twenty five says, a new commandment.

I gave to you that you love on another.

Friends.

If you don't love your neighbor or love on another,

it's very difficult. As I have loved you, that you

also love on another. By this, all will know that

you are my disciples.

If we love one another, everyone will know that we

are christ disciples. Hey, those people are that follow Jesus?

All very loving? One? Now is it true? Are we

really loving? Or are we critical? You know?

Other day I kim Chesha then Tima just now sang

the happy Birthday song of ky You know my birthday?

You know?

Oh my good nurse? Is that loving? I'm just joking.

I know something. We won't do that? Do we love

one another? John fifteen, sixteen seventy.

He says, you do not choose me, But I chose

you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit,

and that your fruit should remain. That whatever you ask

the Father in my name, he may give you these things.

I command you that you love one another. Collosons one,

and I says him. We preach wanting every man and

teaching every man in all wisdom, that we may present

every man perfect in crisis a sea. That's the reason

why we have discipleship. It's not to control your life.

It's ultimately to so in your life, so that you

are presented perfect to the Lord in Christ Jesus. No,

not perfect in yourself, in perfect in Christ Jesus. To

this end, I also labeled striving according to his working

which works in me mightily. You know who was the one?

I said, Paul apostle. Paul, he's quite Sadidia. He's like

the epitom of Christianity, you know. But he also, yeah,

I still am a work in progress because Christ is perfect.

But we're all started getting there. Friends, all of us

aware in progress. Mean you and me right, but let's

work together. Meant you four nineteen says, And he said

to them, follow me, and I will make you vicious

of men.

Why am I.

Sharing all these scriptures because you see the more scriptures

about Christ teachings this whole make disciples.

It's not a church thing, you know. It is a

God thing reaching out to people. It's not just a

oh the church, one more member, no friends. It is

God thing. The good News is the good news for

a reason, and we have received it and benefited from it.

Why are we keeping into ourselves something to think about?

I guys, Okay, so I hope I've covered a little

bit about the sibership. But let me talk a little

bit about the expression of discipleship in our church.

Okay.

I use the word expression because it is just terms, friends,

So let's not get to hung up on terms. We

understand the heart from the Bible, and now the question

is how do we apply it? And in our church,

I mean others I'm not going to talk about, but

in ex church, we are big on this cybership. Right here,

we have this thing called huddles. That's what we call huddles, right,

And what is hoddles? Howddles is basically a deeper cipleship,

relationship deeper Why because I just use this for example,

am I discipling you guys?

Now? So off I am kinder, right?

I mean, if you respect me as a pastor and

I'm here and I'm sharing and you receive, you are

being disciples because you're learning the word, You're becoming more

like you just correct. But you see, it's very hard

for me to to get accountability from everyone here like

that very difficult, right, unless you trust me or you're new,

it's very difficult, right, So it's not very effective.

Right.

Jesus also preached, he preached someone of the mount, but

when he was on the cross, right, even his you

know when he was when different challenges happened. Now there

will only twelve with him. So there's that level of

closeness in the twelve disciples that later on deep great

Things and mid more disciples. You see the significance of that. Right,

That's why hardles is important, especially in our church. Let

me show you this diagram something that a pastor can

drove out again for understanding terms.

Okay, it's basically the huddle. So so we start with

the huddle, right.

Some of you have heard this term before, which hoddle

you're in, right, And the word hddle came from And

this is just pass Academ's term's Rey Greate terms, right,

the expression of it. The word huddle came from because

Pars the Academy used to play American football. If you

didn't know, yeah, yeah, he used to. I think he

can steal uh and I think he was a quarterback

or something like that. And in American football, right, they

will actually different sports will hoddle, right, Like, let's say

they're playing the game, then they will haddle to like strategize,

we strategize, talk about it. Then then they're going to

do that thing, right, So that is what the hodder

is supposed to do. We are playing this game called life.

We're doing things, we are playing livee We're doing and

then we haddle up. We had Hey, you know I'm

going to a Hey, I'm not sure we drop a

new Hey, I need prayer. We huddle up so that

later we can go and play this game of life

and win.

Amen.

That's why the term huddle, because we need to hurdle.

You need to rest, we need to come together. That's important.

It takes time, time out hoddle. It was happening. Now

we are going off tangent, come back, come back. We

need strategized as huddle. And of course the next layer

is homes are corona. How many of you here are

in homes? Just wave your hand in homes right, So

you're in homes. So is that discipleship happening at homes? Yes,

there is your heart, your lead by a home leader

will teach you things, care for you. There's some form

of discipleship happening right in homes, but again it may

not be as close as he correct for those who

understand what that is is a deeper relationship. You know,

it takes time to build a harder relationship, right, you

talk about difficult things. You know, sometimes things are being

addressed that you don't like, you know, But in homes

it's homes are right, it's a smaller group. You get

to go closer, you get to have funds up together.

But you know, some people might like, oh, I don't

want to go deeper, you know, I yeah. And then

from there you have the house. So the house is

this lab.

This is the house. So there is another happening in

the house.

There is still disciples you see every layer that's the discipleship,

but it goes deeper and deeper.

Right, you're seeing that.

Okay, I'm just sharing you this concepts so you understand.

So if you're here and you just come on a

Sunday and all and just don't join homes and all,

it's still happening deciper ship. But is he effective?

Maybe not? Do you get the support? Maybe not? Right?

Right, because if I say, hey, you know, can you

go in hoddle and disciple another person? Maybe that's not happening, right,

But in a hoddle, when I work with a person

in a hoddle, the desire is that he will he

he he. I mean guy to guy, girl to girl, okay, right,

for very practical reasons are okay, friends, very practical reasons.

Because you go deep right.

That the guys in mahaddle will disciple another person, then

I'm fully doing what God is asked me to do.

Make disciples, and the disciples make are the disciples, and

the disciples make other disciples. And then you catch that,

you'll catch that. So the house, you have the house,

and then there's another layer. Hangouts or what's hangouts are?

I know there's a pickupball group here, right, pickaball the

latest sport, right?

Hangouts?

You know, in hangouts it's a bit more informal, right,

and maybe it's mostly Christians or mostly people. But then

you have one of two friends and say I want

to join, and then they also get disciples because maybe

they come and then through the different times you're there,

they trust you enough to share their problem. And then

you say, maybe I'll pray for you. So there is

still a sense of discipleship happening, but it's very surface level, right,

So is it happening? Question is do we recognize it happening?

Do we even recognize that discipleship can happen?

Or no?

Hangout cannot be a discipleship must only when I have

had learn it can disciple? You know, in the in

the homes, Oh no, sorry, in the homes okay, later,

can just give you there in the homes. You cannot

talk about Jesus in home she talked about Jesus in

how she talk about Jesus. In hangout, we don't talk

about Jesus. We don't talk about we don't you know,

we don't talk We don't. It's is taboo friends, people

get offended. No, there is disap happening in hangouts.

If you really are Christ follower, wouldn't you share your

testimony to your friend about how God is doing your life?

Don't make it weird? Lot of friends.

Don't praise the Lord Hallelujah, don't don't lie, don't make it.

We're chill, love friends, chill you praise the Hallelujah here? Okay, right, No,

I will be cross you know my pickupball God call

every time I want to, I pray. Please don't become

the Kurd Christian cannot I'm exaggerating by you know what

I mean? And another layer is the harvest trying to remember,

I think we have a few people in PJ campus

students that are pre believers, not not believers yet. Harvest

means people are not believers yet. Don't you think you

can also disciple people harvest. I've heard a story about

how Alishah Praise prayed for her her. I mean, this

is a rebel story a long time ago where Alisha

prayed for her was it a pregnant now or sick.

Pregnant?

Pregnant right and prayed and like had pain or something

and then got healed right or something like that. Yeah,

the person's not believe.

You.

I don't know.

Are you seeing this this picture on this ibership? Are

you seeing this picture on this sibership? But that's the

thing about us now. I think the other question I

will ask us here to consider is where are we at?

Are we just harvest? Now? Oh? I'm har us? Actually

this thing is? Or am I deeper? Am I in

a hangout?

Oh?

I only like it when I'm chilling with you guys,

but once you talk about the Holy spirin or it's okay,

ay bye, I'm like that.

No, and I know you know? Is it? Or is

it a house only? No, I can't church enough to

day Amen, that's it? Or homes?

We love homesir, We love home so much. We come

to homes more often, and we come to church because

I love the fellowship I love. Is it just about

fellowship friends, or is it about following Jesus? Sorry, yeah,

I really said I'm gonna step on those today? Or

or is it about having a decipers relationship with someone

we trust, with someone that we we can build a

relationship with someone and say, hey, I need someone to

spur me on in my faith.

How real do we want to be friends? How do

we make disciples? Well, let me make it simple for you.

Doing life together, That's how I think disciples. The only

way we have this term in xts. Do we do

life together?

In your up, in your down, in your marriage, problems

in your relationship, problems in your job, we do life together.

Doing life together is may see, you know, doing life

together it is painful. Now, doing life together is being honest?

You want another.

Or do we compartmentalize? Is that truly about the cipership?

We compartmentalize Jesus in the box spending time. I asked

you a simple question. Do you think discipleship is just

about program or it's really spending time with one another?

I tell you the milestones of my faith. I can

always recreate it with conversations I had with my discipler.

I mean, do I get like a revelation from the

Lord and read the word and go, go God, Go God.

But the biggest lessons I've learned in my life is

always when I'm talking to my discipler and when there's

an ouch moment or there's a revelation moment, or when

I'm going through something and wow, and then I grow.

Awdules And of course teaching people for allow Christs. Hey,

I'm following Christ? You a social phollow Christ? Hey, I'm

doing this. You wanna you enjoy me?

What?

What?

What?

What will help you? We encourage and to pull your

other on right?

First Corntans eleven one, imitate me just as a immediate Christ.

Do you know how bold that statement is? I say,

we fear and traveling. I say knowing that I can

fail and times I'm human, I will make mistakes. Amen,

by guys. Okay, before we end, there are two things

I want to do. I want to show you a

picture of thecipership. I kind of did this in the

xpj uh like retreated, but I know not everybody is there.

So I just want to show you how a picture

of discipleship looks like in our church. Remember I said

expression of the scipership, and then you tell me whether

you think it looks like.

Jesus one or not.

Jesus has eleven and of course the eleven that were

with Jesus with him all the way, and they didn't

have their own disciples until he left lot, you know, right,

But here you don't have to wait until or disciple

leave or leave this earth before you start making disciples,

lave friends. Okay, so let me start with my owner. Okay,

doctor Jason, are you here? I know, I know he's

supposed to come down actually well from the bank of

the good Wow, no music, Well, okay, can just stand here,

So okay, so I will do it.

Be Q and a come, come come. He's so shy,

I mean, so shy.

This is the same doctor Jason that if they're looking

for extreme people. Okay, yeah, yeah, okay, So let me

ask you a few questions, like when did we first meet?

Do you remember twelve? What was the occasion?

Uh pj XPG is first service studio on too?

Okay? Yeah.

Then because of the time, just returned from Melbourne. So

I was looking for the church. Then that's fair. This

is the XPJA is still on to set right behind?

Okay?

And then you know that afterwards ship the prayer time,

right you thought you see behind a safe No, this

guy walked all the way back.

Yeah, because he was alone and I was chairing.

Then he said this, I mean, I can't pray for you?

Yeah, me and you? Thankful? Right? I did that? Sorry?

Sorry they're married by the way anyway, yeah jo joey Okay, yeah,

so we met. How how was the early years of

the ybership? He wasn't deciper ship? Yesid Jason, you want

to be my handy there?

Do that?

I remember?

And of course the time I was, I was working

and can I say I was working at more Ash.

Then there was once you called me off for lunch okay,

and then you're just talking about church.

How was I, you know, settling down the ax and

then you kind of prompted with you know, I was

open to the idea of entering and how the relationship.

You from the first meeting on assay really well, I

was so determined.

But because I think you knew that my church back

in Melbourne was okay, okay, yeah, so much my church

in Melbourne, so we didn't callite disciples caite shepherding system,

right right, So they meant the disciple was called a shepherd,

and then the disciples called the sheep.

See see what I mean by trigger happy. I have

learned so much.

You give the context that you didn't have to be

about the bushboss. I knew I understand this.

Yeah, trigger happy.

Yeah, So when you asked, I just said yes, I think.

Okay, okay, okay, yes. Then how has it been like

how often we met in the early earliest.

Early years, mad quite often. Now, I mean not just

me face to face, but you know you are some

messaging and stuff. But I might say, like the first

few years, maybe like twenty the teen. In twenty fifteen,

whenever I got a phone call from you, the first

thing is, oh, no, did I do something wrong?

It happens, But did you do something wrong.

But actually because of this like perception, I think we

you had you had to talk to me about that

now ah, okay, so you felt that it was also

something that hindered us from building that relationship.

Right right, I probably sense you were very guarded. What's happening?

Yes, I mean they were they were good times and

they were also tough time stuff.

Yeah, we'll be in the same homes we were then No,

then yes, then why why not?

Because oh I was sent out.

Two planet homes? Right, I see, he was sent out

to planet homes. Okay, how is it now now?

Like? Is it as often as last time?

Now's not as often as last time? Okay, the frequency

of content is high enough?

Frequency of contact what you mean like.

Troue WhatsApp phone calls and then like Sunday Saturdays just

coming out to say hi to me and I usually.

Okay okay, having to pray for me. Yeah, but like

what micro contacts are not like sit for two hours

and thought right?

No, no, yeah, the one really well I want in

the world now, No, because we all have our own

families and comments as well.

How have you grown in the membership? Our first question

is how long really we are together?

How long is this?

Yes?

Yes, okay, yes, How have you grown in the membership.

Us? And how I've grown individually?

Yeah, how you're growing individually? Like is it good? A

good thing that you did it?

And I think I think it's a good thing because

I think it's high in chapann Okay, because my younger days,

I thought you really I.

Woun't say still young yeah, yeah, but my younger days.

You know, we have the tendency to think that we

always right and that we only have this point of view,

that this is, this has this has got to be

the way.

But you know, to this a push you, you know,

when you share your views. Sometimes I really don't like it, okay,

and sometimes I think we argue about it.

We argue about it, okay, you know, but I thought

she is all like sunshine and Rainbow say, oh no, no.

No, okay, cry, I think we should I shot you.

Okay, I don't remember, but KK you remember, I.

Remember you remember?

Oh we were just having Yeah, I shot back, okay, okay.

You kept quiet, you can't, yeah, but I remember that.

I think I forgot what you were talking about, right

right right, We're saying some things, and I think I

was quite offended. And then I think I said something

like this exactly why I feel I can plan up

to you because it sounds.

Like my father, and.

That went really bi okay, okay, sure.

I think I think that's also a turning point because

you didn't shot back. I remember you just kept quiet.

You really took it in whatever I said.

Yeah, And.

I think after that, I think the Hobly is great

led you in in the conversation. I think I think

you turned the whole conversation around. So I remember I

left a dinner not feeling like should I just said

this that I'm not your pastor that's okay?

I can shout now the time, does CBC b compan right?

Right?

Right? Sure?

But I think I think as I mentioned to you now,

and I think over the years, I think especially when

I was started to you know, court Minion and you

know it was at that time, it can conceal that

it was quite unstable waters right, right, I don't know

how to really navigate the situation, and I think you

always broke things down very easily for me.

And I've said this too many times.

I think the words of advice or counsel that you

give always gives me a lot of assurance that because

sometimes I do know whether what I'm thinking is correct,

what I'm doing is correct, and you know, to have

the assurance that yeah, that's fine.

I think as far as you're sharing, you don't think yeah,

I think that's fine. I think you should me sounds

like gods in the picture. That kind of think. That

gives a lot of assurance.

Sometimes you wonder like might hearing correctly and my applying

gods wor wrongly, that sort of stuff. So I think,

I think, and especially pandemic, Oh, that was a time

that was really hellish for me because of why I

had at work and I think, you know, past that

I've been really looked up.

For my well being, and.

He didn't.

I mean, it came the point where he actually was

re open say if you need a stand up of leadership,

just that it's okay, just just take the break.

No, but the CPC must always forced people into leadership.

I remember the conversationally saying no, if you need just

just take the break. Yeah you were really cool, which

actually person right, right right, because I.

Didn't expect that from trigger happy trigger happy.

Just take a break.

That.

But and then that when I joined back your homes.

Oh okay, that was PG five, which yeah, PG five,

very familiar name. I was leading PG five at the time,

and then pandemic happened. Then got quite exhausted and you know,

stressed out for work and h and then you noticed it.

You know, you called me, encouraged me.

You pray for me.

Almost every week every Sunday after service, you're giving a call,

but I can stand by on the phone because yeah, so,

you know, really healed after that being a home sport.

I was relieved from most of the duties. So then

that really gave restore some sanity.

Well, and now you're back with a vengeance. You cannot.

But of course they've been challenging changing that not.

Don't be rosy, but I think this supposed she was

also the platform where I was very challenged, like you know,

taking over that worship team.

Especially call later, I kind of sense that he was

going to ask me really, and then.

I was yeah, and I was very surprised that you

say yes actually so yeah.

So I think I think this actually really kind of

built up a lot of endurance, a lot of obedience, humility,

but I think also the assurance that yeah, I know,

especially pre marital consoling as well. I think great, thanks

the chance as well. I think both of you really

helped us true in our p MC uh yeah right.

Yeah that's good. So who else you disciple Timothy? You

want to call one of them or both of them?

Who? Yeah?

Yeah?

Who?

Who you wanna call? Just call one that one?

PC?

Got time or not? No, it's no time today, are

you guys? Okay? If we just you know, just few

my my wife's have got time? Okay, yeah, sure, but

we'll do it quickly. Who you un called?

You can't come on the station, can call premis Actually, yeah,

call you faster, faster. We don't have time, guys. Yeah, yeah,

any question you asked them? I getting I asked, I asked, yeah,

I asked. I just wanted to see. I'm not here

to to boast your I'm here to show you a

picture about how it looks, right, And just to be

very clear, I know he's been very he's very honoring

his words. But I can tell you half the time,

I don't know why I tell him. I cannot even remember,

right because as a harder leader, and I think a

lot of harder leaders here or disciplers here who understand

this principle.

We rely on the Holy Spirit to guide us and

it has to do with a person.

So he will remember. But I didn't even remember the

shutter at me. But I remember now the issue that

he had. Yeah, but thankfully it was resolved, you know.

So yeah, okay, So now we asked a team. So

how is the disappership relationship with doctor Jason?

Awesome? Awesome?

Wow?

Wow? Yeah, please please describe, please summarize.

You know, I've known him for some time. I think

of position, he came quite organ Uh. He was the

first person I actually really connected to.

Okay, made me feel.

And hold on, do you intentionally talk to him?

No?

Didn't homes homestad okay, true homes through homes.

Contact was I was here quite long, lady. But everything

I'm new because I'm not really connected to anyone. But

until I remember of the dition seeing my Facebook. Oh

you play guitar?

Yes?

Oh you see. So what do you benefit in your

faith in regardsous typer ship?

Uh?

I think I get challenge especially.

I think the one thing I really really value is

that I get challenge in terms of my fixed ways.

I think sometimes I think what you said about sometimes

being this is who I am and this is the

way I see it. And then when you get a

different perspectively hurts and it's very challenging and you have

to take a step back, and then you have to

ask God, God, is that you?

And then the answer is always yes.

And so I think that has always allowed me to

see the voice of God beyond what is my biases.

And I think that that has really really pushed me

to where I am today.

That's good. How about you?

Usual for the first question is how is it with Jason?

And what do you you know what benefits? But no

benefits are can say no, like, let's be honestly, I

had no benefit, but yeah, how is it like?

How is it like with Jason? How do you progress?

Is it like?

Uh as as a unique student on an upcoming to church? Right,

and whenever we see his messageous it will be like

why are you in church today? So it was initially

like a more like a like a like a pan

sound like a like a class monitor, class monitor initially,

but I think like because I attend his homes, I

think no choice can run away. I think doctor Jason's

way of being very personal, being very real, right, really

allowed me to really just connect, but also to see

that's an example that I can imitate. Yeah, not someone

that I always try to burst. I think that's the

way I believe, but someone that I can observe you

from a side and she to see him as.

As someone how I can carry on. It's encouraging us.

Cool cock cool.

So how do you grow in your faith in regardsity

typership generally? Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, like this disapparenturely they

contribute to you growing your faith.

That's like how how.

I think to see how he's a true man of

God and how he whatever he does?

Wow, God, First, I.

Think that's person and foremost is really like you just

need me take him that.

I mean, like, wow, you're better than me. Bro Okay, okay, cool,

Thank you so much to give them a hand. Thanks

so much. There's one more example I want to show

you so that you know that it's not just we're

gonna invite Edline to come, but.

No, you'll come up. Maybe we'll just do it here

because I know it'd be difficult. So Edeline come come. Lynn.

So Edlin is one of our H one leaders as well.

She's under uh bast Sandra and we're not married. I

married her, she's married Paster Mat Okay, so just to

clarify that. But we're good friends and you want to

invite your your Okay, firstly, maybe ask you what is

your true the decisions with Cenra?

How have you grown in your faith? And what do

you think about the ERP ship?

Mmm.

I've been in export twenty three years, so a long time,

and I think from the moment I stepped into eggs,

I think Sandra really welcomed me and really been there

for me through the highs and lows, and I really

see her really serving the Lord, you know, really titledly So, yeah,

so she's that role model for Mila in terms of discipleship.

Yeah.

Then then who are you discipling?

One of them is Josephine. Maybe I can invite Josephine.

Yeah, so Joe, same question with Yushan and Tim. Firstus

how has the decaper relationship with Edlinn? And then second

one is what do you how do you grow in

your faith in the area of discipleship?

Oh?

Sorry was the second Quesson?

Oh?

Okayly I know him. I know her since twenty twenty nine,

all night two, all night the first year that I

seven the X and I came under her discipleship some

years later because I was initially under elone who is

in X Melbourne now. So however benefited. I think you

talk about what disciples ship is, it's about doing life

together and spending time together. I think that is really

what I see both of us have been doing that.

I know whenever I need to talk to someone about

situations or anything, she will be there for me. So

she will really spend time with me to talk about things.

And I know that you know I have like we

have that access to user. I can straightway call her

and say I need to talk to you about something,

and then she will really quickly avail herself to talk

to me. So I really appreciate that time with me.

Yeah, mm hmm.

I I learned that, you know now that I've experienced

and benefited from there. I want to make sure that

I spend time with my goals as well, that when

they call me when they need to talk about things

or don't have to wait until a situation arises, I

always tell them I'm here, so if you need to talk,

I'm always here. The borrow ears and and Matias can

never be an excuse or a hindrance yea to do that. Yes,

I think it depends on the person's phase of maturity

or face as well. I think it where how you disciple,

It really depends on the person's faith. Uh, and I think, yeah,

it's more than just uh spending time doing devotion together

as well spending Yeah, I think it's more than just

spending time. But I think it's very crucial that we

spend time because this is where we build connection and

go deeper. Yeah ah, yes, yeah some of them. Duran, Duran,

Duran is one of them. Yeah, yeah, Duran, we are

in the same homes as well.

Yeah, so.

Everybody is shy, So how is that this appecially? Be honest?

It was lovely, It was good. And just like how

if jok. Every time I have a situation so I

have to talk to and text her, she will also

avail herself to text me and then you assure me

in my journey of faith and she keep me grounded.

And then whatever situations or decisions I may, it's not

based on what I really wanted, but also how God

where God wants me to do it.

So yeah, that not not yet, Thank you everybody give

them a hand.

I know I don't have primarly, so I just thought,

I give you that picture, you know, And that's our

expression of discipleship in our church. And if again see

it's not just our leadership only or whatever. It's it's

sewing into the life of another person.

And it's messy.

You get shouted at, and I can you say as

an example, and but it is a biblical principle. In fact,

it is the commandment because as you can hear, it's

not yes, it's life, but it's not just life. It's

life in faith because it isn't following Jesus a lifestyle.

In every area. The way we work, the way we

do our relationships, the way we find our lot partner,

the way we raise our kids, in the way of

the Lord. It compasses everything, right, you can see it doesn't.

But you also can't see this. It's messy, right, it's messy,

it's not perfect. So you'll probably oh, yeah, I experienced

that in my heart. So once I angree, I don't

want anymore.

Do you know that Jesus took at bitter and said,

get there behind me, Satan, But Peter still follow him?

Whose responsibility when you talk about discipleship, Is it the discipler. Yes,

the discipler has a responsibility.

To make sure they keep close to God and to

make sure they care for not just care, but disciples

the person.

Well, that is the responsibility. But discipleship is a choice. Friends,

Jesus asked his disciplus, do you know that? Yeah, all

the disciples had a choice. All the Jesus sipists had

a choice. I'm sure there were more. Know that he

said follow me, but didn't follow him. You know, the

one that didn't follow him that was actually written in

the book was the rich young ruler. Imagine that Jesus

created more disciples and there were more than a twelve.

We know that there were seventy came and Gola, come

and go, come and go, but only the twelve state

this year our team is discipleshit.

Friends. I don't really know.

Where you're at in your life in this area, but

my encouragement to you is that if you're part of

our church, I want to encourage you consider a discipleship relationship. Yes,

sometimes there are natural things that will brought us nobody

that can connect with me or nobody that I can respect.

Friends, cannot ask.

You to lower down your expectations a little bit and

ask God, God, can you reveal the person that can

disciple me? Because the other thing that maybe you're not

hearing as we're talking is that it's not just Paster

Elvin and his experience and no.

It's the Holy Spirit. Friends.

We do this life not just with ourselves. No, we

do this live being led by the Holy Spirit. The

more we are connected with God, the more effective we

can in discaparted ministry. And it's something that we believe

in the XTS.

Amen.

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