Let's talk Discipleship | Pr. Alvin Keng

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We hope this message will light up your day.

Why, disciples, first come, let's go into the world, and

let's get straight into a word metthew twenty nine, verse

nineteen to twenty. Okay. He says, here, go therefore and

make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the

name of the Father, the Son of the Holy Spirit,

teaching them to observe all things that have commanded you.

And lo, I'm with you always even to the end

of the age. Okay. And this is something that Jesus

gave us his last word. How many of you know

that someone's last word is very important. No, imagine now

you've got some rich uncle, right, you know, Victor got

rich uncle. And then the uncle is dying on the

death bed, and then the uncle says, Victor, the combination

though my say for the will is and then he

dies off. It's important right to know that you know

just who knows what he will have for us. And

this is Jesus last commanment to us, So we know

it's important. And in xs we we used to have

were saying, you know, Christ last commandment is our first priority.

And of course the translation of that missions lie you know,

or you go there in all the nations, you know,

do you know that actually making disciples is not so complicated?

You know, it's not like you must go and do

missions there only you're making disciples. Do you know that

making disciples is like everyday thing? You know that making

disciples is a way boring thing. Jesus made disciples. How

they eat with him? You know, stay together? M can't

together stay with him? Is it boring or no? You

see all the bad habits right for those they are

married and staying together. You'll know I'm talking about for

those that got housemates. You know, all the bad habits.

You know, you cannot the hand. But that's discipleship actually

in the way Jesus did it. Of course, you guys

don't do it here. You know, you come church, everybody

looks good, you go back home, right then you come

next week and everybody sill, looks good. Know what to say,

But discipleship is something we want to do, okay, and

why okay? Let me let me start with some foundational stuff,

are you guys? Okay? Let me start with some foundational stuff. Right? First,

we have to understand and you you, you you got

to understand this from the perspective of a believer. And

if you are a believer, here I pray and I

hope that you have the same perspective, because if you

have a different perspective, then I will ask you what

you believe in? Okay. So the first thought is, you know,

God created man, right, that's what I believe in. That's

what I believe in. Pass When you believe in that, right,

I know that the world would say otherwise, but I

will present this to you. I believe that God created

man out of the dust of the earth. Other people

believe that men came from the evolution of monkeys. We

showing your own belief up to you. Okay, your decide.

I prefer my version that's from the Bible. You guys

didn't get that joke. It's fine, SI contemplating on that.

So God created man, and of course man saying lah right.

You know that man's saying right for those of you

who are you know, like pass passus Stephen right here,

he's so holy fast can you stand up? He looks

so good? Right? Right, length, tie and everything perfect? Pass seven?

Huh no, but aren't you perfect? The hair hairstyles are perfect,

you wisha? Yeah, I haven't say yeah, sorry, I just

I'm just missing him this morning. I guess if you've

been on this earth long enough, you know that humans

are not PERFECTA right, let's talk about some true right, right,

people are not perfect. I'm not perfect. I make mistakes

all the time. You know. Just the other day I

got angry when a family member called me and you know,

irritated me, and then my wife had to say, dear,

can you please be kinder to this time? Remember, I'm like, okay, right,

so I'm not perfect. We are not perfect. Unfortunately, men

sin right and we fell right. We can blame Adam

and Eve for all we care, but we are not

perfect as well. We make mistakes, right, sometimes most times unintentionally,

I hope not intentionally. And I hope you don't be

e intentionally, lah, I hope you're not lack okay, but

sometimes we are unintentionally evil, right, Get a little bit

too angry when we spang our kids, you know, get

a little bit too irritated when we're arguing with our spouse,

get a little bit too frustrated when the person cut

you on the road. Well, none of you are so

everybody here perfect or now you're all awesome drivers on

the road. No right, no right, We're not perfect, right,

but you know we have to be sinless to be

connected to God because God is sinless. We are sinful, right,

how good hearted? You are? Right? You are not perfect? Right?

But God is perfect. That's what the Bible says. God

is perfect, and you know he has a redemption plan

for us. That's the whole idea. And that's why we

have church. That's why we're here, that's why we worship,

that's why we we say we're Christians, that's why we

believe in what we believe because we believe in God's

redemption plan for us. If you're here and you're not

believing yet, or you're not fully convinced, well let me

give you the good news. The good news is that

we're not perfect, but God has a redemption plan for us.

And God's strategy is true. The life of this guy

called Jesus, that's his strategy because he didn't just lay

out a plan. You know, he didn't just lay out

a get out of jail free card for us. He

showed us a way to live through his son Jesus.

Christ are you guys catching the foundational stuff. Some of

you are looking at me and so this is the

first time you're hearing things like this. Hey, if you're

a Christian for many long, I hope you know this.

You know, because he's super foundational. If you don't know this,

I'm pleased at least I'm telling it to you now,

say you know what you believe in? Right? Hello? Are

you guys? Okay? Not well? Just now this morning in

PJ we're quiet? Here is so read quiet? Why do

I have the sleepy look? You know what is the plan? Well,

it's salvation through the life of Christ. Salvation to save

us from our sins, not just through his life, but

tree his death and thankfully resurrection. And the goal of

it is to re establish a relationship with God, which

is what we now practice. When we can pray to God.

We are having to sacrifice lambs and goads and consecrate ourselves. So,

my fanna, all those things those days they have to

do it. You read Exodus. We're doing a study on

Exodus in our office. Now. Wow, so complicated, so much

to do. Now, we're so busy. Imagine last time you

know that every day they had to sacrifice two lambs

in the time. Every day our friends every day have

to sacrifice two lambs, and it's quite gory one okay,

but there's a goal. There's a redemption plan for us.

That's why we do what we do. That's why we

believe what we believe. If Jesus didn't come on this earth,

is he's not real and all these different things, we

wouldn't be here. Alah, we'll be wasting our time, right

Cora or not? We will? Can you recite John three sixteen?

Don't show us John three sixteen Come for God's soul,

love the world. Well, then next will give yourselves a

hand in PJ Right. When I asked them this question,

I only three for love can say the rest is

super quiet, And I say, guys, please the scripture so

you don't know and don't remember, please remember, don't just

remember the scripture John three sixteen for God soul of

the world. That said, no, please remember the scripture. It

is foundational stuff if you are believer for so long,

and please remember the scripture? Can on not please remember? Okay?

Because it's important. And the last commission and instruction that

Christ gave to his disciples was go therefore and make disciples?

Pas seven? How to make disciples?

Are?

Is there a discipleship program? Do we get everybody to

dress up? Where the pin you know, comb the hell

like you comb right where the tech? Then that's the

siber Ship? Is that it is?

That?

It is that? Oh? No, no, must know how to

say Hallelujah, Amen, praise the Lord. Right, I'll pray for you.

Is that the zibership? Is it just coming on a Sunday?

Is that zerber Ship? For those of you who understand,

you know that it's not it? Right? What is the

cyber ship? Can we study together? Hey guys, why am

I talking about this this year? Our team is the

serber Ship? You know what does that mean? How do

we do? You know that a team is not just okay,

it's a team. And then that's it, you know, we

all we all talk about some things up in the

air and then we were happy. No, no, no, guys.

The team is for us to practice. And if you

are here in this church and if you say this

is my home, always say I'm at least committed to

this place, then I will say I will encourage you.

Can you flow with it? Can you flow with wherever?

You are deciding to roote down unless you're saying no,

I'm just here visiting only. Then whatever message today, it

doesn't apply to you. You want to know how funny

that sounds. Actually, it applies because it's from the Bible. No,

and I My argument is the moment you believe in God,

this applies to you. Right. So what is the definition

of discipleship? Right, I'm not going to pronounce it, but

this is drawn from Matthew twenty six. Okay, because the

word disciple in Greek means to be a disciple of one,

to follow his precepts and instructions, to teach and instruct Okay,

to become a pupil, right and role as a scholar, wow, scholar,

Right to be disciples and instructors. And then the other word

right one is mate teo. Another one is I'm not

gonna pronounce it because my Chinese tongue might mispronounce it.

It says a learner, a pupil, a disciple, one who

follows one's teaching. So when we become believers in Christ

means we follow his teaching. Correct means whatever that Jesus

say we should follow. Right, Yeah, I see more people

nodding their heads, right, yeah, we should.

So.

Then the question is are we following his ching? Do

we even know what is his teaching? Do we even

know how we should follow Christ? This all good question.

You guys catching something this morning? I hope you are not.

I hope you are. Are we following Christ? What is

the heart of discipleship? This is very simple. The heart

of discipleship is this, to be like Jesus, right, coring

not how many of you want to be more like Christ?

And when I say more like Christ, I'm not saying

grow up, be it, go for you know something us

go compentry it you started it. I'm going to go

and learn compentry. Right, to be like Christ, to do

like Christ, to do like Jesus, to do more like Christ.

The means respond to people like Jesus would respond to people.

I know when I'm saying this all West strategy la.

So I also not like Jesus. That's I have to learn.

I have to learn to respond. I have to ask

myself when I say the wrong thing or you know,

do the wrong thing, well, not wrong thing, I do

a certain thing, I have to ask would Christ do that?

And last time, I think John will remember this and

show how oh we are Last time we were young

people remember the band w W JD. What would Jesus do? Yeah,

that's the thing we asked to remind us when we

look at the bet. What were Jesus in this situation? Now?

You know, if Jesus come back home from church cam

and so on fire, what will he do to his parents?

Will he condemn the parents? Or will he do the housework?

Without being asked? Oh, what would Jesus do? Do you know?

What would he do? And the heart of disciplership is

to make more like the same, not just be like him,

not just do like him, but to encourage others to

also be like him. This is not just this, not

only for the pastors, passastive one, I know it. I

just number one enough. I think. The last I check

this way is for everybody. Go there for make disciples

of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father,

the Son, the Holy spit, teaching them to obs up

all things. And I've commanded you let's talk a little

bit about baptism. Why why baptism? Have you thought about

it before? How many of you here are baptized? City?

Raise up behind baptized. Okay, so you're not yet not sure? Okay,

near I okay, let me, let let me ask you. Okay,

why baptism? Of course I can give a whole teaching

and I'm sure Passis Steven is very good. It is,

you know, Anglican Church background, a whole you know, teaching

on baptism and the significance of baptism and all these

different things. Okay, can I give you my simple understanding

of baptism. Law, I do it because Jesus did it.

You guys, totally not getting me at all. You know,

some things in our favor. You just got to do

it just because it's in the world. La. Why do

we need proof? Do you know that even Jesus himself

was baptized? Do you know that it didn't make sense

or Jesus will be baptized knowing what we know now.

And John the Baptist his name the Baptist, he have

to baptize people because he's John the Baptiste, that's what

the Bible calls him. That's his job. If he doesn't

do it, Jesus came. He he came and baptized people

for the preparation of the coming of the son of Man. No,

that's what John did know. And when Jesus imagine the

shock when Jesus appeared in front of him and said, hey, John,

you need to baptize me, and he goes hold on.

It's kind of like this. It's like past the Kenneff

coming to Steven and asking Steven to baptize past the Kennef. Okay,

let me go something further. It's like the pope used,

the pope coming to Josiah and saying, Josiah place. But

you'll be like, hey, hello, sounds funny, right, But do

you know why Jesus did it to show the way,

because he knows a humans are. If we can find

a way out, we'll find a way out. Jesus where

God do baptism he didn't want. Now we can all

say it. Now we know Jesus, John baptized Jesus. John

tried to stop Jesus, and we also know true scripture

what happened after that. The heavens open. God said it

is my son. Sometimes something's right in our faith. We

just need to do it. Friends, Yes, we can go

and study. Go, go, go and study the significance of baptism.

You know when you go into It's like Christ, you

no baptism, the significance of baptism when you go down

into the watertop baptism. That's why you believe in food emergent.

Why because you're buried in your old self and you

come up, you come up a new creation. It's a simple. Friends.

Do you know that even non believers know that it's

important baptism Because when we go and do ministry in

the rural places, I still remember this conversation we had.

You know, the lady folk want to still do certain

things like gossip and gamble. So when we talk to

them about and they come to chi and when they

talk to them about baptism, they no, no, no, no

no no for me, my husband will do it. I

don't want because they know the moment the baptist is

stop doing all these things. Because once you follow christis

there's no turning back. You know how many of us

here are following Christ with the exit door already already open.

The moment he gets a bit uncomfortable or not according

to my plan, I stay away, okay, Jesus, that's it.

Are we living like that? And then we come to

this place where we ask God I want you bless this, this, this, this, this,

this is everything, bless best, blessed, but not waiting for

to follow him. Friends, are you guys? Okay? Someone told

me and it's just planned before like, oh you like

my schooling message. I'm not scolding, h ha ha. I'm

just stating obvious facts. How you feel is the Holy Strait,

not me. Yeah, all right, guys, Okay, let's read the

word Luke chapter nine, verse twenty three, twenty four. Then

he said to them all, if anyone desires to come

after me, let him deny himself and take up his

cross daily and follow me. For whoever desires to save

his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life

for my sake will save it. Ah, this is so hard, guys.

Deny yourself, deny yourself. Later, what we're gonna eat our pasts?

Stephen doctor again? You know I don't like doctor Llah

inside Joe, inside Joe. Deny yourself because the newcomer will

like to eat there. I don't know. I'm just saying.

I don't know. I don't know. I just say, I

just say, I just say, just say. Ah Rasay John thirteen,

twenty four, twenty five. Say, it's a new commandment. I

give to you that you love on another. I've loved

you that you also love another. By this, all will

know that you are my disciples. If you have loved

for one another. Let me ask John this question. No

one always catch your passes? Seven? Hey John, just wondering

in XBU right does everybody love everybody? Don't answer that?

Not sure? Good answer? Friends, send me ask you a question.

Do you love the people here? Bible say war, block

stop barrel war. Bible say what if you have loved

for one another? You are my disciples? War. I love

passe Elwain. Josiah is such an awesome guy. I love him,

but I cannot stand past the Stephen. I love Adrian

because it's such an awesome guy. No, but I cannot

stand this other sister that looks at me funny. Hello,

are you reading the same scripture I'm reading? Do you

love for another? Do you know that God knows that

we will stamp? You asked you to forgive, So I asked

the question, how many times once I forgive? O? God?

How many times once I forgive? Is he seven times?

Then Jesus say you bling med see me? Right? Come

not seven times, but seventy seven times. You go story

Kaunta forgive, don't hold grudges, don't be offended, so they

can live on another. Why so that when people see

you they know that you are Jesus disciples. But is

my right? But everybody costs me trouble? And then the

scripture says, deny yourself. Wow, friends, tough men have to

be Christian, and that I'm not rethinking my commments. John

fifteen sixteen seventeen says, you did not choose me, but

I chose you and appreciate you. Appointed you that you

should go and bare fruit, that your fruit should remain.

And whatever you ask the Father in my name, he

will give you these things. I command you that you

love one another again, love on another. What is the girl, friends,

of all this? Our maturity? It is for our maturity

at the end of the day. It is when we

have to deal with our pain, when we have to

deal with our suffering, we have to deal with our

own offenses, and we have to humble ourselves. We mature

when we have to deal with all the not so

nice things to deal with. We mature because we know

that God is in control. He's the one, and we

get perfected as human beings. Amen. We get perfected when

we love on another, when we deny ourselves, when we

become less selfish, when we think of others. Hey, can

I ask you a similar question? Wouldn't you mean to

be awesome if everyone asks you whether you know each

other very well or not, that you're loving to one

and that you are friendly, don't don't even talk about living,

don't don't even thought about loving. Let's not go there.

Let's just go with friendly and smile at each other.

Just say hello. Do you know how big the atmosphere

would change? Right? You will know? Yes, I know you're

having a bad day. It's okay. You don't have to force it,

and we force it. En, don't have to force it.

But when someone else is having a bad day, care

for the person. Now, okay, can I pray for you?

That's not my job, passing. It's not my job. Yeah,

it's not your job. It's a commandment from the Lord Collogens,

and I says him. We preach warning every man and

teaching every man in all wisdom that we may present

every man perfect in crisis as wow. We teach, No,

why are we teaching this? So that you can be you.

All of you are here. Every man and woman can

be presented perfect, perfect to who perfect in Jesus, to

the end. To this end, I also labeled striving according

to His working, which works in me mightily. I'm not

just sharing this because I'm perfect and I've got everything right.

God is also working in my life. But we grow together,

Amen Mental for nineteen says, and he said to them,

follow me, and I will make you visions of men.

Going back to the first point, following Christ, that is

the that'side. That foundation is to be correct. If that

foundation is not there, all these other things is rare

hard to accept. You'll catch that. If you're understanding or

your foundation of following Christ is not there and you're

still struggling with that, then all these other things very difficult,

very difficult to do because we don't really know what

is the goal post. We don't really know that actually

we are following God Christ and we're becoming more like him. Right,

it becomes about us more than Christ. That's that's that's

the reality. It becomes about me and what I need

and what I want and how I feel, more than

following Jesus. That's the thing. But what does it mean

to be a disciple? Have we thought about that? And again,

let me present this case to you. Isn't the gold maturity?

Even in discipleship? Jesus came to disciple the tree, Sorry,

Jesus came for three years to disciple not just chelve disciples,

but more than chelf disciples. But the twelve disciples will

remember because they stuck with him all the way until

the end, well, not all the way in the end.

If they start with the way, then you have a child

like more than like more crosses are okay, but they

stuck in terms of their life. But in the area

of them sticking with him even after he left, they

were around and there were more one hundred and twenty

in the upper room. Right, But what was the goal

of discipleship showing them a way to live? Right, so

that they can not just live the way, but they

can share with others. Therefore, go make disciples, teach other

people what christis taught. That's why we have the gospels. Ya,

you'll catch that, right. I'm talking very very very fundamental stuff. Okay,

I hope you catch it. And how you following me?

So then the question is what do we do with this?

What do we do with all these things? Do we

do the same? Do we grow in mature or is

it just about making me feel happy? Past the steven

feel happy and blessed? You know sometimes we talk about it, Oh,

bless blessed, blessed, bless bless blessed. Best, it's all about

blessing on you. No, it's about maturity, friends, It's about maturity.

It'sbout understanding your role in God. You know, right? Amen?

Do we catch that?

Not?

If the goal is maturity, then discipleship is necessary. If

the goal is maturity, if the goal is this blessing her,

then no need discipleship. Actually, just come and receive every week,

just come past the STEEVEE will open the althar right

and have a blessing service. Well, I'm talking blessed for me.

But you see, if I talk about this, you know

some places they practice this. Friends, That's not a goal.

The goal is to share the good news so that

more people know who their God is. More people can

experience Christ, more people can live a life of abundance. Amen,

they know Christ is because we who have experienced God

have our break truths. Right, we break through, We have

transformation in our lives. Amen. This morning at PJA, I

shared about God has a plan for everyone, you know,

and I try to draw from what the Bible says

about God having a plan to how we express it

in church, right, and how when people get with the program. Okay,

what program God's programming? Okay, not just our program, our program,

no power and friends. The only reason why our program

will be more power because it's derived from the word

of God. Just that if our program is just a

ten step program to be positive thinking, no power and

can I can? I be honest with you. The only

reason why a lot of things repractice ex has power

is because it's derived from the world of God. That's

the only reason. There's no other reason, right, this thing

about church planting, discipleship to church planting, the only reason

why is because it's in God's word that that is

the only reason. Because we are nothing without God. We

are nothing without God's presence. Right, We'll be kidding ourselves

with to say that, oh we thought of everything, you know. No,

it's all just rehashed, not really blessphema, but rehash from

the Bible on how we can apply it. Because it's

all about applying God's word in our lives today. Amen,

this is said. The words is different now. Bible say decipership.

We say, haddel. Huh what's that? Well, I'll show you

why is that now? Because today we're talking about disciples first.

Right.

Oh, by the way, my title is, let's talk discipleship.

If you didn't already realize I guys, okay not, let's

talk discipleship. So in X what is our expression of

deciper ship? Let me share a few right, very simple,

very simple one. Okay, first quarantines eleven to one. Imitate

me as I also imitate Christ. Right, imitate me, and

we express it through this relationship. We call hard els. Okay,

Pasca the name his regular names. Right. What is a huddle? Okay?

What is a huddle? Well, you know, have you guys

played sports before? Okay? Some yes, some know so hoddle.

So some sports, not every spot because medle, but some sports,

like especially in sports the like, maybe they're playing a game,

you know, and then they're losing or winning or whatever,

and then you know, there's a time out and then

they come and huddle together. So that's the picture. Because

Parson used to play American football, so he does it,

So you got that from there where we come and

we huddle together to say, hey, hey, hey, things are

happening in my life. Hey, I'm struggling with this. Hey,

things are happening. How do we restrategize. How do I

need to grow in anything or not? Do I need

to address an anything or not so that I can

go and win in life? You're your cash. That that's

where the world had come from, right for us LA

At the end of the day, it's discipleship lab. Okay,

let's not get confused. I know I'm used the one mentoring. Okay,

let's just stick to it. Decipit ship for now, right,

and we haddle. That's why we have a haddle. That's

why we have a discipleship relationship. It's just that for

X we just used to. You go to another chest,

you say, oh I want to be an addle. They

look at you funny, Okay, just our church. Just don't

don't get so stuck up on the name. But the

heart of the discipleship, right, and it's a deeper discipleship relationship.

It's not a program. No, It's not like okay that

come give me ten times promp. No, it's a relationship

and you know him and you know me. We need

to trust each other. When you build a relationship, it

takes time, right, it texts time. That's what we do here.

Do you know that, yes, the the disciples say yes

to follow Jesus, but the trial state because they had

a relationship with him. Do you know that the rest

also had a relationship, but they left him. Jesus is

quite relational. No, but he was so in your face? Right?

Why do I say that? Imagine one day, you know, John, John,

who's in your hoddle? Don't have okay? Who any guy

you talk to? One? Sorry, just pick one guy, one

one pick on homie Victor. Okay, So let's say Victor

come to John, and then John say, hey, we're gonna multiply,

and Victor's gonna help. You know, I know Victor won't

say it, but just use his name for fun, Okay,

for fun. Then Victor just go and you know, then

he asked, Victor, Victor, can you go and watch out

for this guy and all? And Nola, Nola, John, do

you know, let's stay together forever as homes. Let's let's

stay here because we've got such at relationship, you know,

let's not go anywhere, let's not multiply, let's just stay

here forever. And then John, looking away say get thee

behind me, say turn, hey, Jesus, did that know something?

We think? How it is all like I must feel

good on it. Of course I know Victor won't say that. Okay,

I think Victor. Victor will say, yeah, let's go do it.

Let's go plan other homes. What is huddles is a

deeper disciple relationshi. Okay, let me show you this picture,

so we have huddle. Okay, So this again expression in

our church. Let's talk about discipleship, right, so expression of

our church. So hodder is a deeper discipleship relationship. Right.

So there are different ones here in a harder relationship.

That's the term use, okay. And the way we express

it is most leaders, if not all, actually all leaders

need to be in a harder relationship. We recognize its important,

right because they need the support they need to know,

have that touch base. Right. And then you go one

level up. It's homes. Okay, how many of you are

here in the homes? Just wave your hand, you're in

the homes. Okay. Homes is a smaller group, right, And

of course you have homes home leaders. You use the

term cell group, right, And is that discipleship happening in homes?

There is, there is, there is, but probably not as

deep as a hard relationship. Now, there is discipleship happening

in homes. You go to homes when you're when you

build relationship with your homes leader and and uh you

know or cell groob leader or small group leader. And

then they build relationship and then you you know, you

share them, you pray, they encourage you in the world. Yeah,

there is, right, there is, you know. And then of

course there is al So it is, but it's not

as deep as a had allah, but there is. It

is happening. So it's good this happening. And then after

that we have the house. So is the house here?

Here's the house, right, and of course you have the house.

In terms of asla. You know, am I doing some

for discipleship with you? Yeah? I am actually, you know,

encouraging you to follow Christ? Right, So there is some

But is it very effective? Well maybe? Okay, if you

know me enough and you trust me enough and you

know that you know or you believe that the Lord

is speaking to me, then you will receive it. But

if let's say, I don't know whether this guy makes

sense or not now you know, or your first time here,

and then you may not be able to receive it

loud DESI. Even in the world of God, it says,

you know the skit the seed is scattered, you see,

the seat is scattered off you here, it is scattered.

But some will fall by the wayside, some will fall

on good ground. So actually, the determination of whether you

get a good word no, no, no, it's not a speaker. No,

I can be the most boring speaker. I hope I'm

not loud, okay, right, or the most funny speaker. But

it's not up to me. It is up to the

ground whether they will receive the word of God and

whether the world got bad food. You catch that? So

is it effective? Eh, it's happening by see effective. I'm

just trying to paint the picture. And then we have

hangouts right next next, And hangouts is kind of like

interest group. Do you have any interest group? Here? Passes steven?

God don't have not sure? Hiking God on huh? Bouldering, Wow,

bouldering not not pickaboler I thought pickupball is like the

latest spot for younger kid outs. Okay, expensive spot, all

those play pickable on got a lot. This was comeing, Okay,

So hangouts, hang out. It's like, you know, hang out,

hang out beyond church chill. You know, is there actually

can discipleship still happening? Hang out? Can can?

Right?

I see that? Yeah? Yeah I can can? Because you

can actually because see why it is the zaber ship.

You are trying to encourage someone to be more like Christ,

right right right, So that's the type ship. So it

still can happen and hang out when maybe you you know,

go ma, can together, Mama, and then you share about

tessimoney you know, and then you encourage your encourage that. Yeah,

yeah's still happening. So that's good. There is still some

fond disciplage happening. And then you have the harvest can

discipleage happen in the harvest can, right? Can? When you

talk to someone who don't know Christ yet, you are

sort of discipling the person. Your catch that, your cash that.

So there's some phone decibe happening. Right. So this is

just a rough diagram or concept on discipleship in acts.

But the reason I want to show you this is

where are you at. Do you know that our desire

is that everybody would be in a huddle. Do you

know why because that's how Jesus did it. Do you

want to be part of the so you have to decign?

Do you want to be part of the five thousand

that come and McCant good food and then say bye

bye to Jesus? Or do you want to be even

part of the seventy that came and did miracles but

then when they go and get some they say bye bye?

Or do you want to be out the tithe or

even better, do you want to be part of the

tree that was there with Jesus and they failed by sleeping?

He didn't culture to follow him when he went and prayed.

The only tree that follow you know, the inner circle.

We are all in different parts, but my encouragement to

you is that if you all can come closer, they'll

be great, because then that will determine your growth. They

will determine your growth. A lot of people are very

interested to just hang out and hang out. Some just harvest,

some just house. I'm sure if you are happier in

the harvest, right, you will definitely talk and now hey,

come to just no maybe doing Christmas on me? Waste

that law? Waste that law? Or are we just happy

to be in the house? Oh maybe some asa? Oh

I love homes are Steven? Who's so awesome? More frequent

to homes and than house? Now more frequent? Right, never

miss any homeschools or the fellowship is good friends. The

goal is discipleship and not just yourself. The goal is

that you also disciple someone because the last I read

it says here go therefore make disciples of our nations,

not only past us and leaders and home leaders and people. Know, everybody,

everybody have a part to play because we have this

precious good news that you can't just keep it yourself.

You see the different levels that can happen. Right, So

how do we make disciples in X? How do we

make disciples? Well, we do life together. That's the term

you use, do life together? Huh you mean you talk

about a lot of things. Yeah, you know? And can

I break this mentality? Sometimes we are like, oh, discipleship

means if I discipleship relationship with this person, I'm sure everything.

Can you chiller? Can you stillly build relationship or not?

We are not expecting everybody to be robots. Please are

if you are in a dic, please don't show me everything.

I cannot take your stress. Don't so straight away? That extreme,

you know. And he's spending time friends. You cannot avoid

spending time, Jesus spend a lot of time with the disciples.

If you want to disciple someone or if you want

to build a meaningful discipleship relationship with someone, you have

to spend time. Oh but I mean there's no time.

Make time. If not, then how We've got to decide

what is important in our lives at the end of

the day. That's the truth of the matter. And ultimately

we want to teach people to follow Christ. We want

to follow Christ, and we want to teach people to

follow Christ. So to end, I want to show you

a picture of discipleship of how els in x. Okay,

I just want to show you a picture of it.

I didn't prepare The people I appreciated in the future

spansity and I prepared, but this I didn't prepare. I

know it will be good. La Okay. So can I

just invite a Passu seven to come out and send

here and we can get a mic. Okay, just show

you a picture of heard a relationship you x okay

Kennah okay, great? Yeah, so passus Steveen you'll know him right, Yeah,

so you don't know him okay, anyway, he's a CBC

relat so passes even Who is your who is your

hot leader?

Oh?

I'm your hard leader that okay? Okay, I'm your hold leader. Okay, great,

So it's going to be all weird. So so how

long has I have I been? How long have you

had this heart of relationship? I remember story thing? La

is it tres tres? Okay? Was I your first had

of leader?

No?

Before that? It was John Poon? How long was it was?

That?

Six years? So how do you started? How did the

harder relationship started? John Poon?

I was in the homes and I was hungry to

grow and I know that how convicted I.

Had that one of the literally the way to grow

is the apleship. So when I was convicted, uh, and

it was I really had a relationship with John, with

the homesteader.

He was caring for me.

So for me, it was quite busy to think about

who it was join.

Yeah, so that's how it happened.

So I spoke to him and say, hey, would you

be came to Discycley and we both prayed about it

and that's how it happened.

Okay, so how how how share with us? Like how

do you happen? Do you on me every week? Like

how in the beginning, how do you happen like beyon

me every week?

Or like yeah, okay, So we didn't meet every week,

but I think there was already a frequency of seeing

each other because we were in the same cherch run

and homes was happening. We will see each other at

least twice a week because of prayers, avice, homes and

worship service on Sunday. But the one on once happened

when either he wants to say, hey, you want to

share with me something and then.

We'll meet, or sometimes we just so we both have

shared interests as well, so we hang out a lot

of them shared interesting Okay, that's how we build relationship.

Also interest h camers, okakay.

Video staff and we did we did sports or socialde

and then yeah, and then whenever I have something that

I want his counsel, I would.

Say, hey, John, can we lead up? And we like

to ask you guys, Oh, I'm going through something. I

think someone to hear me out that's how.

So how do you grow in your faith being in

that relationship with John? How do you grow in your

faith specifically? Any any lesson you learn?

Or Yeah, I think he challenged me quite a bit. Uh.

He would ask me things that, hey, do you want

to help do this for homes?

I think your lady do do leadership for homes for example,

So constantly challenging me little by little.

I think that also grew my go best see groom

and face.

I think that was usually something that often happens was

when I mess up, you would address.

Me Stephen, whatever you're doing, You've gotta stop doing this.

You need to uh you know, you got to improve.

So yeah, okay, was it smooth sailing like like, oh

everything was awesome or were there are times where it

was challenging with John?

It was quite I think it was quite smooth.

Okay, okay, now change my one question? Saw my one?

So no, but I thought it supposed to be sailing,

know how the leaders should be no, loving, caring and

all the kind of stuff like I just I just

saw johny.

But to clarify, I think we also for those that

we had the night we talked about this or so

u it were smooth sailing.

There was a lot of stepping on toes of.

There are moments that we uh just weren't able to

talk to each other, like from my sideline because of offenses.

Maybe certain things addressed and couldn't make it.

Uh, you know, and we're all human, you know, sometimes

we get affected by the indusecurencies and stuff like that.

But no, it wasn't so silling. I gave the analogy

to them.

I say, uh, it's it's not a bit of roses.

It's a bit of roses with horns were horny.

But but there are difficult moments.

But I think based on the experience, we address those

difficult moments as well.

We don't. We don't don't just swik under the round.

And it's true that addressing that I grew a lot.

Uh yeah, So why do you choose me as your leader?

I think for me was a few things.

Number One, it was the journey where when I was

with John, I think we hit a certain toll, meaning

we were I was in a season in life that

we both felt that I think you will grow more

under another person. And now, of course, at the time

I spoke to Past, I say, yeah, I think it's

the time, because that was when I was getting into

church blanding to plan to you, and then I prayed

about it and I felt like and at that time

also because I say and I I mean, we are

colleagues and he's technically my manager at one so we've

talked about it a lot, talk about.

Things a lot. Every day we talk about things.

And you would also do life with me and natural

because number one, he has.

To put a lot in my life.

And number two, there were things I wanted to learn

from him in church planking because he has church plunder

and there were certain things that I wanted to catch

from his life. And that was when after praying, I

felt the confirmation he is to approach myself.

Did I expect the thanza? Okay, okay, okay, So are

you deciping anyone now?

Yes?

You want to call one of them up so you

can interview them? Okay, come come, come, okay? You when

I can passed to West the thing? Yeah? So West,

how long have you been under Pastor Steven's discipleship? Two

and a half years? How has it been? Okay? Yeah? Yeah,

so so has it been a smooth sailing? Right? Right?

How have you grown in your faith under his discipleship?

That's good? So it works? Yeah, are you discipling anyone else? Yeah?

Who is a person here? Yeah? Okay? Can you call

a bazar? Can I come? Come? Can I can? I

can come? Are you seeing something interesting happen? Yeah? Okay?

So yeah, So how long has Wesley so he's disabue

with it? Clear? Clear? Okay? So how long has he

been discibling you? A year? Plas? Okay? Okay, So how

have you have you learned anything from Wesley? Or maybe

once the one thing that you've learned that's really impacted

your life devotion? Okay? Okay, is there anything you're gonna

tell Wesley right now?

Mama?

Session later okay, okay, okay, cool? Cool? So thanks? So

can you see the picture of the Diciper ship? You know, Church?

What we why we say let's get into a harder

let's do Diciper ship? You know? Can you see the

the growth also of the person? You can write? You

can write, I'm sure, I mean it's not just the

only thanks. I please have a see I I can

give them a hand just so that you know it's

not just a guide thing. And uh and Church bund thing.

I want to invite a girl leader to come up.

Let me try and find someone that I can ask Sharona,

you don't find anyone? Yeah, I don't. I want to

call it Genie, but she's in excess. Yeah, come, come, come, Yeah.

So who is who is your Holi leader?

Okay? Sorry?

Yeah? Who's your holiday? My wife? Who is that? Who

is that? They don't know? Say the name? My goodness? Okay,

my wife is the hold Okay, yeah, I have no idea.

What's have anyone? Don't look? I know? Yeah. So how

long has have you been under her discipleship? Yeah? Plus

how's it been good? Bad? Can be honest? I know? Okay, okay,

that's good. So what's the one thing you've learned from

her in regards to your faith? Growing? Growing your faith? Like?

How has the relationship caused you to grow in your faith?

She also challenges me a lot. Oh and there are

times when I didn't want to actually, you know, follow

Jesus this way, but she challenges me, uh to always

do the right thing, and oh, do things that I

don't like.

Do things here don't like? Yeah, okay, but do you

do it in the end? Yes? Okay? And was it

good in the end or it was good?

Yeah, it was good.

Before that, it was like a lot of fear, but

then like after overcoming it, Uh, I agree, I grew.

Okay, Like what's the one Like, what's that thing if

you don't mind sharing that that challenge you that you

didn't want to do, but in the end you did,

and then you're growing. You grow confronting people. Okay, how

about your personal life? Like do you grow in your

personal life? Like any area of your life that you

know the hard also speaking to the grow besides your faith.

Uh yes, there's a lot of things that I learned

from her, like, uh, I think maybe relationships.

Relationships.

I always thought that, uh you know, if you're not

really with this person already, you can you know, just

on the bridge.

But no, she.

Challenges me to you know always you know, uh be

go to the other person.

So please do and cross sharing now the bridge? No,

no no more, no more? Yeah, just so fun. Anything

you want to say to your horded leader. She's not here.

She's amazing, so she can hear this data.

You're amazing.

Okay, Okay, are you deciping anyone? Yes? Can you call

the person out so you can interview the person. Grace, Grace, Ah, okay, okay,

come so, Grace. How long have you been in a

disap relationship? Uh? Two years? Two years? Okay, two years?

You're not sure that? Okay, So how has it been?

It's good, gonna tell the true Yeah in church, you know,

so it's good. So do you learn anything in terms

of growing your faith through the relationship? And what is

the thing? Yes, Godla thinks she don't cry? Don't cry? Okay, no,

don't cry. She sorry? How have you grown in your

faith through the discipled relationship? I think it's compact. Two

years ago I did grow throughout like she will challenge

me in things that I don't like. Looks familiar. She

forced me to do. Challenge, challenge. The one thing that

she forced you to do that real benefit that you

confronting people, confronted guys. Okay, okay, sure. Anything I said

to sharing because she.

Is amazing.

Is good. Okay, Okay. Are you are you decipling anyone

right now? No? Not yet? Not yet? Not yet? Okay, great,

Thank you so much. Give them a hand. That was

quite fun, a bit different than the other. You notice

a pattern, right, you know it's a pattern. The goal

of discipon ship to be more like Christ. Right. I

don't know whether you are convinced, because I know sometimes

when you think about this appership, it's like, oh, I know,

and I have to open up my life to people,

you know, and you know now you're hearing things they

forced me, you know. But in the end it's good

because sometimes I mean the word I like to use

this encourage that not challenge, okay, challenge and burning bridges. Okay,

we learned something today. I hope you see how or

what we are trying to do in our church. And

I think the thing that I hope that everybody here

will at least consider, you know, I know it's I

know it will take time. And oh and there's one

thing that I want to highlight also in this whole conversation.

It's not just between two people. We got to also

recognize that God is there. And I also would sometimes

say that I recognize that God speaks through my discipler. Right.

We did this just to share. We did this in PJ.

And one of the people that I managed to walk

through life is Jason Jasons from the day he came

to XPJA all the way and though now you know.

And the one thing he mentioned, you know, and I'm

not saying it to both, but the one thing you

mentioned is like he said, like one thing that why

he recognizes the leadership is every time I share something

with him, Uh, you know, he feels like God is speaking.

And the interesting thing on my part is that I

have no idea. I don't remember I said. So we

got to also recognize that when we're in this you know,

you can't be under anybody law. But when you recognize

that God is in the picture, then you know that

you're growing or so not because of the person, but

because God is speaking. Amen. Yeah, So that's why I

want to share your There are two things I want

to share you so resources about discipleship. You've got some

nice you gotta learn a little bit more. So this

is basically a book from Pascua Enough and it's just

hard to hard chat on the different discipleship journeys in X. Now,

if you think that, oh no, I'm a requiet person,

decipis not for me or you know, the wonderful thing

about discipleship that I've learned is that it is something

for everybody. Everybody can participate. You know, when God comes

out with a strategy. It's not just a one size

it's not a one size fit or strategy. You know,

it is a strategy that can relate to everybody. The

only question is are we willing to subscribe to it?

So if you if you are not convinced, well you

can go and check out this book because this book

has so many different type people, so many different permutations

of relationships. But yet the goal is the same for everyone. Growth, maturity,

growing deeper in the faith. You know that's the goal. Right.

The other thing that I will share if you if

you want to hear all the saucy tony details. We

were quite honest in this podcast, Stephen, so your past

enough pus disciples for many years from the start of

the church, even before that, disciples me right also for

many years. And then now at the opportunity to disciple

bussus Stephen, and you see the ligo. Okay, let me

end with this. Why did God use because see it's

not our idea, No, it's God's idea is in the word.

Why did God use discipleship as a way to spread

the good news? Why did God use discipleship as a

way to teach people the lifestyle and grow. Why Because

it works, friends, and because it can cater to anybody

at any level. Because it's as simple as imitate me

as an imitate Christ, follow me as I follow. It's

not about getting oh I must get everything right or

must know friends. God used discipleship for this reason so

that all of us can slowly grow together and one

day you can teach and you can disciple another person.

Is really happening in your household. Parents, you're discipling your kids.

You know. This is why discipleship. I hope you're convinced. Amen,

Let's pray. Thank you, Ad Harley.

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