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The Ministry of Angels | Mark Brazee | World Outreach Church
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and just enjoy the presence of God.
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Hallelujah. Glory to God. Praise God.
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Well, let's um let's open our Bibles to
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uh if you have a Bible with you, that's
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a good start. If you don't, I just
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recommend you get one to bring with you
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next time.
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>> Then this ought to be be our most prized
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possession,
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>> the Bible. Now, I know it's different
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today. You know, when I got started, I I
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tried a King James and I couldn't
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understand it. So, somebody gave me a
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living Bible. started making more sense.
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And now here we are hundred years down
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the road and I've got a iPad and a a
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watch and a and I I've got Bibles
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everywhere and I appreciate all of them.
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Everywhere I turn, I got a Bible
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somewhere because that is that is the
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key to all of our answers.
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>> Somebody said, "I thought it was the
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Holy Ghost." It takes the Holy Ghost to
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teach that to us. Yeah.
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>> You know, I remember when I first began
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to read the Bible, and I remember when
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the spirit of God began to quicken
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things to me, began to teach me things
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that I'd read before, but didn't get
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them. But I can remember I I read over
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Philip in Philippians chapter 4:1 19
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that I was I was broke. Didn't have any
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money. My I was my job wasn't working
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out well. I was in real estate at the
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time and there was no real to it. Um
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not making any money. Things weren't
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going good. I said, "God, I just got to
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have some answers here. You know, I'm
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I'm a I'm newly walking with God. Hadn't
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been very long. I'd left college. Just I
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thought I've got to get away from where
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I'm at if I plan to walk with God
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because it's not going well. And uh you
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know, I just got back in the presence of
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God. And but but just fl just broke. And
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I remember saying, God, I got to have
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some answers here. I fasted and I prayed
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and I prayed some more and fasted some
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more. I fasted. I that didn't do
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anything for me. But you know, finally I
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opened my Bible.
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If I had started there, I'd have saved
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myself, you know, number of weeks of
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grief and torment. But anyway, but I'm
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Philippians chapter 4:1 19. I just did
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one of these deals, you know,
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charismatic deals. Open, close your eyes
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and see where it opens to. I'm I'm just
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grateful I didn't it didn't fall open
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to, you know, Leviticus and [laughter]
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animal sacrifices and
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it fell open. Just the mercy of God. You
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you know, we're going to talk this
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morning about angels. We were there
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recently. We're going to pick back up
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there about the ministry of angels.
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Well, I believe in it because I saw a
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few things happen. I didn't have
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anything to do with any of that, but my
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Bible fell open to Philippians in the
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fourth chapter. I thought, well, that's
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as good as anything. And I began to read
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that and I got to Philippians 4:19 says,
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"And my God
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>> shall supply all your need according to
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his riches and glory, not according to
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how bad it is, not according to the
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economy, not according to my job. My God
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shall supply all your need according to
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his His riches and glory. And his riches
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and glory are really good.
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>> He's got a vault. He's got a safe up
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there. It's bigger than anything we've
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ever seen. He will supply all your need.
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I didn't know that. Nobody ever told me
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that. I just read that. I read it and
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out loud said, "I wish I could believe
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that."
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Closed the book, got in my car, went out
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driving around looking for listings.
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Just I thought that's just it. But you
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know, that verse wouldn't leave me
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alone. And since it wouldn't leave me
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alone, I stayed with it
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>> day after day after day. I I didn't
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intentionally just sit down and read it.
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It just kept coming back up.
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>> And within a couple weeks time, all of a
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sudden, it's just like somebody dropped
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it on the inside of me. I couldn't tell
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you how. I couldn't tell. I don't I
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didn't know anything about it. Clueless
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as you could get, but it dropped down on
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the inside of me. And I thought, all I
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know is my God supplies all my need
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according to his riches and glory by
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Christ Jesus. My job doesn't, my
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employment doesn't. the real estate
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market doesn't my God supplies all my
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need and I don't know how he's going to
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do this but he's going to do it that was
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in roughly 1970
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early 1974 I believe it was and you know
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I have never seen God never seen the
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righteous forsaken
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>> or a seed begging bread
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>> I've been watching God do it ever since
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he has never let me down let us down
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will let us down but it all started out
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with just finding something in the
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Bible. So anyway, that's not the
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message. That's just extra. So anyway,
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I'm going to come back around here for a
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little bit uh this morning and uh on uh
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the ministry of angels. Just got kind of
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stirred on that a few weeks back and we
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ministered on one Sunday and and I
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thought we finished up and and really we
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just kind of got to the beginning. In
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fact, if we had the time to get into
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this, we could spend the next month just
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on this subject alone. in uh in really
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since really since about 1974
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roughly about that time when I began to
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find some things out about the presence
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of God didn't know much but I began to
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just have some encounters with the Holy
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Ghost nu numerous unusual things
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very some of them very unusual things
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and uh you know I just got hungry for
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the things of God and all of a sudden I
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I had a knowledge I didn't know anything
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about angels they didn't talk about that
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in the church I grew up
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Well, if they did, I didn't hear it.
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Probably was sleeping through it. I
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don't know. But anyway, um they're
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talking, you know, I just suddenly this
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this the the the truth about the subject
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of the ministry of angels came on the
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inside of me. And since that time, since
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really 1974 until now, that's a couple
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years. Had a lot of encounters. I've had
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some individually. Pastor Janet and I
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have had numerous encounters in, you
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know, not only here in the States, but
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uh in the other nations of the world.
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We've had some some great uh great, like
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I said, encounters with the Holy Ghost
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uh and with with angels say, "Do you see
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them all the time?" No, I don't know if
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I've ever seen one. Well, you know,
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maybe maybe one sometimes you've got
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angels unaware. Sometimes you're
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encountering some people that really
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they they are an angel doing a job
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there. I've had a couple things like
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that. But as a general rule, there's
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just a knowing or a hearing on the
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inside. There's it's it's not the Holy
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Ghost. It's it's angels bringing
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something. And I want to just spend a
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little more time on that this morning. I
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don't know. We may spend more in the
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days to come. But um I've just got a
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stirring that where we're headed in the
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the church world that in the days to
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come, we need to um be well aware of the
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help we have and make sure we're doing
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something about it. You know, I mean, a
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lot of us, I know, we've gone through
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life going, "Well, I don't know. An
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angel's never helped me. If they've ever
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done anything for me, I don't know about
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it." Well, have you ever done anything
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to activate them?
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>> You know, if you went out and sat in
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your car and said, "I don't know why
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this crazy thing just won't run."
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>> Did you do anything to start it?
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>> Well, why should I have to start it? It
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sits there in the driveway. Well,
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sometimes with angels, it's like, okay,
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they're there, but am I doing anything
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to get them working in my life? Well,
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why should I have to do anything? I
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don't know. I didn't write the book, but
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that's just the way it works. And if we
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learn that um as we go along, have you
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have you found what did I say? Uh pro uh
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uh Psalm 91st Psalm. Did I say that? I
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didn't. I should have.
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91st Psalm. I'm not going to read the
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whole chapter. Uh 91st Psalm. We could
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there's been so many I I I've read over
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the years. I've read so many books um
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either written about John G. Lake or
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written by John G. Lake. Uh some of you
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may not even know who that is. That's
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fine. Uh I just ran across his writings
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years ago now. And uh you know like
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Pastor Janet, she feeds on Smith
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Wigglesworth. You know, every time every
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time she's either reading the Bible or
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she's reading Smith Wigglesworth. I like
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that. But I'm to me it's like, okay,
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that's great, but I'm going to find a
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John G. lake book because there's
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something in that that I want. He walked
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in some things I'm really hungry for.
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Okay. And so anyway, but John G. Lake,
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he just seemed to know some things. And
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in reading his books, I saw some things
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really concerning
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some of the activity of angels working
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on behalf of people that got hold of the
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91st Psalm. And I'll just go to verse 10
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just for the sake of time where he says
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there God says to Israel, he says for uh
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he'll give his angels charge over you to
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keep you in all your ways. They'll bury
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you up in their hands lest you dash your
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foot against a stone. He said, "Bottom
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line is I've I've given you somebody to
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help you." Okay? I've given you someone
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to help you. There shall no evil befall
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thee, neither shall any plague come n
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thy dwelling. For he shall give his
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angels charge over thee to keep thee in
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all
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>> all thy ways. Not just every now and
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then, not just in the really bad stuff.
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He said he'll give I've given my angels
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charge over you to keep you in all your
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ways. Whatever ways I'm in, if I'm
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trusting God, doing what I know to do,
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he's given angelic help. And they're not
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the the chubby little things on the
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Valentine cards.
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Thank God. Okay. If you look over the
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103rd Psalm, 20th verse, it said that
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they're mighty in strength.
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>> They're big. They're big.
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>> There's different, you know, I've read
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books about some see them as angels, you
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know, female angels with flowing robes
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and all that. I don't know. Don't know.
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Haven't had that happen. I have
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questions about that, but that's just my
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questions. But if you go back through
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there, everything I find in the
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scriptures, angels appear to be big um
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guys, big men. Okay, that's what it
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appears to be. If somebody's going to be
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protecting me, I'd really rather have
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like a 8- foot, you know, 400 pound guy
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than a little lady with flowing robes.
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And [laughter]
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>> I better keep moving here. I'm going to
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get myself in trouble. [laughter]
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I heard a yell over there.
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But anyway, anyway, going back through,
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I'm circling around to get somewhere.
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Going back through in John Lakes's
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writings, there's the 91st Psalm again
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where he said starting verse 10, "No
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evil shall befall thee, neither shall
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any plague come nigh thy dwelling, for
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he shall give his angels charge over
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thee to keep thee in all thy ways. They
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shall bear thee up in their hands in
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their hands." One translation I read
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years ago said hands meaning hands like
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hands. So these are not just wimpy
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little guys. These are big guys. These
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are not the ones you see on the pictures
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in the European cathedrals. These are
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big guys. They bear you up in their
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hands lest you dash your foot against a
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stone. I've got great protection there.
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You've got great protection there.
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>> Okay. And if you go back through, Jesus
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talked about it in what was I think it
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was Matthew's gospel the 18th chapter
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around verse 10. He said uh really
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talked about how the angel is ever
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beholding. said, "Be careful that you
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don't offend one of these little ones
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because their angel is ever beholding
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the face of their father who is in
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heaven." So the really at the point of
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conception, I'm convinced of at the at
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the moment of conception, every
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individual has an angel assigned to them
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that's ever beholding the face of the
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father. My angel's been looking at the
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face of the father for a lot of years
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now. And he's done a lot of things. and
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he's kept me out of a lot of trouble,
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bailed me out of a lot of trouble. But
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anyway,
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going back through there, um,
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John G. Lake and some things that he
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wrote over the years. I couldn't even
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tell you what books it's in, but talked
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about some different instances that he
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knew of that took place either in his
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ministry or uh people that were were a
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part of his ministry in another country.
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And uh they uh he talked about a group
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of um uh really during world war I in
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the trenches over in Europe. Uh there
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was a group of men that got hold of the
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91st Psalm. Just a group of men, company
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of men. I have I have no idea how many
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there were in this particular instance,
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but they got hold of the 91st Psalm.
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They began every morning they'd start
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their day out together reading the 91st
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Psalm. And they went through World War I
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in the trenches and no one was killed.
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No one was badly injured. And um they
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had a miracle. They had miracles
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happening all of they went all through
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World War I with divine protection. But
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they started their days out that way. If
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they could do it that way in a war, we
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can do it that way in the middle of
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where we are today.
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>> There's another guy talked about in one
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of Lakes's books. The guy was he just
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took a stand on the 91st Psalm. No evil
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shall befall me. No plague shall come
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nigh my dwelling. For he shall give his
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angels charge over me to keep me in all
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my ways. They'll bear me up in their
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hands, lest I dash my foot against a
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stone. A thousand will fall at my side,
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10,000 at my right hand. But it'll not
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come near me. Only with my eyes will I
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see and behold the reward of the wicked.
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With long life,
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>> with long life
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>> with long life,
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>> I'll squeak by
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wander like a beggar through the heat
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and the cold. No, with long life, he
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will.
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>> What's that next word? He will satisfy
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me with long life. He will satisfy me.
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If it's not satisfying, it's not as good
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as it as it should be. With long life,
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he'll satisfy me and show me his
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salvation. So, I'm going to walk through
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with a satisfying life down here until I
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get to the end, take my last breath, and
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then I step on over into the fullness of
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my salvation
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>> over on the other side. But there was a
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guy that was reading it on a regular
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basis. Got hold of the truths of who we
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are in Christ. What God has done for us
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in Christ, what belongs to us in Christ,
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the divine help we have by angelic
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ministry in our place in Christ, who we
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have watching over us and taking care of
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us. There was a guy that was reading all
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that and in the middle of uh goodness, I
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I couldn't even tell you what war it
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was. It's been few years since I've read
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this, but [snorts] one of the soldiers
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uh got shot. He got shot and the uh the
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the uh the bullet went right through
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him. Should have should have died on the
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spot, but they went to check him out and
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they couldn't find the bullet hole. It
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had gone all the way through him and
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then healed itself up.
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>> He got up and finished the war. I mean,
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a bullet went right through him. Why? He
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had divine angelic help.
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>> I don't know about you, I don't I don't
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want to put any limits on this thing.
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Well, this can't happen and that can't
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happen. No. All things are
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>> possible to him that believeth. I'm not
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not expecting to be shocked, but I'll
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tell you what, I believe we have a place
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in God. We have a place with angelic um
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help,
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>> supernatural help. There's so many
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directions we could go with this. I'm
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I'm I'm kind of weaving around to find
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out which which way to start, but um
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but that's where he started out. and and
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really in in the 91st Psalm, it's where
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everything starts out for us. And we if
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we'll get that working on the inside of
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us, it'll work every everywhere all the
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time. Um I I was thinking back through
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um so many things. Like I said, we could
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we could get on this subject and stay
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for weeks and talk about a lot of
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different um Bible truths and a lot of
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different examples. Um, we had uh
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actually Pastor Janet was uh uh I think
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it was before we had the church if I
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remember right. She was going to uh
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Panama City Beach uh to speak at a
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ladies conference, gonna fly down there
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and uh going to fly down, you know, I
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was going to take her to the airport
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late morning and uh we had goodness, I
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don't know, four or five uh ladies that
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were on staff at the time and we had a
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excuse me, a excuse me, a you know, a
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full-size passenger van
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and uh they wanted to know if they could
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go. Well, she said, "Sure, they could go
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down and go to the meetings and help run
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the product table with, you know, the
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the books and tapes and all that." And
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uh so they got up early in the morning
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to leave to drive down there. You know,
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it was a long day trip down there. And
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they were going to get down there before
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she got down on the on the flight. And I
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don't know, I had to be about 5:00 in
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the morning, 5:30. And I'm not I'm not
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by nature an early riser, but I woke up
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and I just had a burden to pray. So I
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just quietly began to pray. Okay? Didn't
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wake my wife up. Just prayed. Just kept
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praying. Prayed and prayed and prayed.
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Something's I thought something's wrong.
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Something's wrong. Something's wrong.
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And And you know, I didn't know what it
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was. Sometimes you just don't know.
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>> Sometimes you just don't know. When we
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know not what to pray for, as we ought
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the spirit himself helpth us.
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>> So sometimes you just don't know what
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Well, what if what if I don't know? It
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can't be important. No, it might be very
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important. It's just not important that
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we know what it is.
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>> Amen. So anyway,
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did some praying and um uh prayed I
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don't know maybe I don't know 45 minutes
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something like that maybe an hour heck I
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don't recall right now but all of a
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sudden um you you could you know when
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there's a burden to pray you know when
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there's something something just isn't
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right there's just a a heaviness there's
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just a you know it's like somebody
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pulled the window shades down
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something's not right well all of a
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sudden all of a sudden they just all
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lifted I mean you know it was just the
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there was joy there. It was whatever it
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was, it was gone. Whatever it was, we
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got the we got the answer to that. And
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uh so, but I thought, well, you know, uh
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it it can't hurt to ask. I said, Lord,
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you know, I mean, if you choose not to
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tell me, I don't really care, but if you
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do choose to tell me, I'd like to know
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what that was all about. I mean, you
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know, why'd you wake me up? Why didn't
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you wake my wife up?
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Anyway,
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anyway. Anyway, I just when I asked
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that, I heard spirit of God on the
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inside say the devil's going to try to
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take out your whole staff today, but
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because you prayed because you prayed,
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angels are going to be doing their job
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and everything's going to be okay. I
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said, "Good." I went back to sleep, did
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my job. Well, you know, and when later
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on we got up and Pastor Janet was
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getting ready to go and I'm getting
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ready to take her to the airport and I
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said, "I'm going to tell you something
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this morning. had just an uncction to
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pray. And and when when we got the
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victory over whatever that was, spirit
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of God said, "Everything's all it's it's
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all taken care of." I don't know what it
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was, but it's like the devil's going to
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try to take out our staff today. And I
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don't know, there were what, maybe four
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or five
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or six of the ladies on our staff, and
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they're all going to go down there, go
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to this lady's conference down there.
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And um so I just said, "I don't know.
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Maybe maybe they don't even know. Maybe
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there's no no knowledge of what was
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going to take place." So, um, she, uh,
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she said, "Okay." And so, I talked to
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her later in the day. This was, this was
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before cell phones, back before the
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wheel. I mean, we we this was back there
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a ways, but we talked later on. And, uh,
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uh, she told me later on that day, she
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said, "Well, you know, when I got there,
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the the ladies were all there. They'd
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arrived and and they were checking into
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the hotel at the same time." And she
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said, "I got there, they picked me up at
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the airport. I was checking in and and
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you know, we were just, you know, having
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a good time talking and and uh one of
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them said, if I got this right, one of
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them said, "You're never going to
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believe what happened today." She said,
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"Well, what happened?" They said, "We're
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driving down whatever the highway was. I
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don't know what it would be. um from
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Tulsa going across the you know the the
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Gulf area over into uh um Panama City
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Beach area and said uh all of us in the
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in the van and uh we were we're there
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was two lanes of traffic and there's one
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a car over here on the the right side.
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there was another larger vehicle on the
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the left side and we were coming up
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behind the vehicle on the left side and
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waiting for them to move on over so we
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could get on by and said out of the
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clear blue all of a sudden they slammed
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on their brakes. No traffic, no cars, no
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trucks, no nothing. Just we came up
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behind them and before we could do
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anything else they slammed on the brakes
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on the vehicle right in front of us. No,
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absolutely no time to stop. We couldn't
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slow down. We couldn't stop. We couldn't
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pull over. There's nowhere to pull over.
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There's two lanes and there's cars in
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both lanes. They said, "We don't know
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what happened. We don't know what
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happened except when they slammed on
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their brakes, we tried to get around
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them. There was nowhere to go. But
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somehow we got this big 18 passenger
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van. Somehow we got this between two
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vehicles on two lanes. We went through
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without a scratch on either one. Came
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out on the other side, pulled off the
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side of the road, and sat and cried.
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Angels though,
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>> angels protected our whole staff. Could
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have taken out a part or all of our
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staff that day and instead all of them
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went through and they had a great
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meeting over there in Panama City Beach.
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But, you know, just uh angelic help. We
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need to be expecting that. I mean, we
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talked about it. Goodness, whenever it
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was a week ago, we talked about the fact
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that we need to do something about it.
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Okay? If angels aren't helping us, it's
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because we're not giving them something
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to work with.
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You know, as we said, sometimes they're
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sitting around by the campfire singing
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kumbaya because we haven't given them
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anything to do and then wondering why
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they don't do something. It's because we
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didn't give them the equipment to do
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something with. Well, yeah, but God's
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called them. He's called them, but yet
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he gave us scriptures. If you go back to
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the ninth and tth chapters of the book
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of Daniel, you see back there where
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Daniel was praying about end time
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things. the prophet Daniel back in the
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Old Testament praying about end time
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events and what to look for in the last
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days and uh wasn't getting any
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information and suddenly an angel shows
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up. Okay, an angel shows up and says um
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you know that he'd been he'd actually
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been praying for 21 days. Daniel had
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been we see that in the ninth and the
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10th chapters he he'd spend time in
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prayer. He was he was giving everything
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he could. And this angel shows up and
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says, you know, Daniel began to commend
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him for his walk with God. But said, the
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minute you prayed, I was sent from the
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throne of God.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Think about that. Even under the Old
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Testament, from the moment you prayed, I
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was sent from the throne of God to bring
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you the answer. But the prince of Persia
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detained me. Well, now that might not
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mean anything to most of us, but you
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know what Persia is?
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Thank you.
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>> And you know, you know, Prince of Persia
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is not some guy that was, you know,
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sitting on the throne back there and
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died off. The prince of Persia was the
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uh individual, the me the the spirit
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that was in charge, spiritually speaking
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from darkness over that part of the
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world. And if you wonder why they're
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having so much trouble in Iran right
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now, the Prince of Persia didn't die.
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The Prince of Persia is still a being
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that's in charge over that nation.
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And I'm not going to get into that
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anymore. That's not my subject. But
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anyway, anyway, he said I was he said I
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was there. He said, I I was sent by the
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from the throne of God and I was in uh
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detained by the prince of Persia for 21
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days until Michael came to set me free
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so I could bring the answer to you. Now
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I've got to go back and pick up the
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battle.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Think about that.
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>> Think about that. He said, "But I," In
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other words, the answer was coming for
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21 days. It wasn't Daniel's fault that
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the answer didn't come. It wasn't God's
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fault the answer didn't come. The angel
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came in contact with the prince of
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Persia and was detained for 21 days. But
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he didn't stop. He just worked with it.
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And because because Daniel stayed with
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his prayer life,
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>> didn't he?
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>> Isn't that what the angel said? From the
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moment you started the the the answer
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came, but you stayed with it 20 and one
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days.
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>> Three weeks he stayed with it. How long
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have we stayed with stuff to get an
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answer? Well, if God was going to do it,
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he'd have done it by now. Well, God did
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it back there for Daniel, but Daniel had
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to stick with it
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>> to get the answer there.
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>> Okay. And so brought the answer. Uh you
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go back through and and my goodness, the
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the angelic activity,
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if we just stay just in the Old
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Testament alone, there's there's angelic
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protection. And if they could have it
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back then, like I said, Daniel, it
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worked for Daniel because he did what?
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He prayed. He said he mourned. That's
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praying. Could be praying in some
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fasting. I don't know. It just depends
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on what translation you're reading. But
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he stayed with it until it worked. He
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stuck with it until it worked. But
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there's two facets. And then if you go
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over to the 103rd Psalm, the 20th verse,
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it talks about back there how angels are
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mighty in strength, hearkening
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>> to what?
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>> Hearkening to hearkening to our prayers.
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Well, that's not what he says there.
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Although that is an important part, they
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do hearken to our prayers. Absolutely.
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Okay. Our prayer to the father opens
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things up for God to send angel angelic
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help. But the 103rd Psalm 20th verse
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said the angels ministering spirits are
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are they're they're not just like I
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said, they're not the little Valentine
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babies. They're mighty in strength, but
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they hearken to the
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>> to the voice. It's not they don't just
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hearken to it's not if I carry a Bible
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around, they're going to do whatever I
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need. It says they hearken to the
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>> voice. In other words, if I'll give
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voice, they'll give action.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Got a good friend,
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>> had a angelic visitation number of years
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ago, was having some real issues going
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in his life and ministry at the time.
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Things were not going well at all. And
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he said, all of a sudden, he looked up
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and there's this giant angel standing
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right beside him. And he said, "I don't
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think he said anything." He didn't have
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to say anything. He didn't have to say
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anything. He was waiting for the friend
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to say something.
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>> It's not what the angels necessarily say
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to me. It's what I've got to say to
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them. They hearken diligently to the
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voice
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to his voice, voice of the word, voice
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of the Lord. He said without thinking.
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He said without thinking, he said, I
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quoted, first of all, I quoted, my God
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supplies all my need according to his
-
riches and glory by Christ Jesus. Well,
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he was a minister and didn't have any
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meetings. Didn't have anywhere to go.
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Didn't have any invitations. Said he
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said that and a couple other scriptures.
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He just said, and he said the minute he
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spoke those scriptures, he said all of a
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sudden that angel just took off,
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disappeared. But before long, he's got
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invitations. Before long, he's got
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finances. Before long, he's got answers.
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But it didn't work until he said
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something. If if we'll get hold of that,
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they will do what we need to have done,
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but we've got to do what we need to have
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done.
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>> Am I doing something about it? Well, I
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haven't had any angels help me. Well,
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have you been helping them?
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We were in actually Pastor Janet and I
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we had uh it would have been goodness I
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think it was probably around uh
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1979
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maybe 80 maybe around 1981 something
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like that. We we just got married 1979
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and uh started out we had a we had a I
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won't even go into all that. We had a
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car and uh
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but we started traveling and and I I'm
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thinking it was m it was December and I
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think it was maybe 1981. I don't know
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for sure. Um and [snorts] uh you know we
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were talking to brother Heagen and he
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said, "Where are you guys going next?"
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"Well, it's December. We're going to
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we're go." Anybody ever been to
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Wisconsin
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in December?
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Like cold December?
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Well, I'm from Michigan, so I understand
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cold, but I don't take it by choice. But
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anyway, we were we booked a we booked
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like two weeks of meetings in in
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Wisconsin in December of that year. Now,
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we didn't know maybe some of you were
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there. May I we didn't know that it was
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going to be record cold temperatures.
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I've been in cold. I just hadn't been in
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record cold. So, we're we're going to go
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up there and uh we're going to we're
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driving.
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Okay. We're these are not flying trips
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in these days, okay? We're just glad to
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have a car to drive. We're we're we're
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driving to Wisconsin. We're going to do
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meetings with Wisconsin for I don't know
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a week and a half, something like that.
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Then we're going to go up over across
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the top. We're going to go across the
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upper peninsula of Michigan, come down
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through and come down at Christmas time.
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We're going to spend Christmas with uh
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my family that year. And so we got this
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plan trip all planned out and we're in
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Wisconsin. Um, and the the man that
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said, "I'll set your meetings up for
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you." I found out what that means. Said,
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"I'll set your meetings up for you." And
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he said, "We'll just we'll just book you
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in a couple places. You'll have a full
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schedule." We got there and he said,
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"Well, well, anytime somebody says,
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well,
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that well is deep." anyway
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said, "You know, some other things have
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come up and there's another ministry
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that's, you know, doing these big
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meetings and they've they've got all the
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pastors coming to their conferences and
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so all the places you were going to go,
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you can't go anymore because the pastors
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aren't going to be there. But I've
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rebooked you in places." We said, "Well,
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good. At least as long as we got
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somewhere to go." and he said, 'Ive
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booked you places, but he said, 'The
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problem is you're going to be going back
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and forth across the state of Wisconsin
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almost every other day back and forth
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through the first couple weeks of uh
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December.
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Well, now if that was, you know, Florida
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or, you know, somewhere with sunshine,
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that would be something. But but we're
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we're driving, we got to drive back and
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forth. We'd do a service and then we've
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got another service the next night, but
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we got to be on the other side of the
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state. So, we'd get in our car. We had a
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we we had just invested into a used I
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didn't even know what a BMW was. I saw
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it sitting on the lot and I thought that
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looks good. And so we bought it used and
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uh it really ran pretty good. But we
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we're driving this thing through and
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we're going to all these meetings and
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when we finish those we're going to go
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across the upper peninsula of Michigan
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back down through and spend Christmas
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down there. So, we're we're we're in
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this we're driving and we're going back
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and forth. And the problem was it was
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record low temperatures. It was 60 below
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zero.
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Now, if you never been at 60 below zero,
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don't. [laughter]
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I mean, it was cold. It was so cold our
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car would not heat up. I mean, our
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heater in the car was not getting heat.
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And so, we just just keep it going. As
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long as we keep going, we'll be all
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right. So, we're driving. We're driving.
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But the problem was that it was so cold
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and we're going across the state and
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whatever we're going across. There were
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no humans out there. There were there
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was there was no humanity out in those
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areas. But we're we're just going back
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and forth. We you'd think we'd know
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better.
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You know, if some if the car broke down
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out there and there's no vehicles and
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it's 60 below, they'd find us a year
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later.
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Was not a pleasant thing. And so we're
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we're driving back and forth every
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couple days. We drive back and forth and
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it was so cold. But we're driving along
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one night and and and we're having to
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hurry because we got to get there at
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night, get checked into the hotel and we
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got services the next day and so we're
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making good time of course and u there's
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no lights, no houses. It's late at night
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and uh but we're believing God declaring
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91st Psalm, though evil shall befall us,
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no plague shall come n our dwelling, for
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he shall give his angels charge over us
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to keep us. Now, I normally wouldn't
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have booked that kind of a a trip, but
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somebody did it for us. We didn't really
-
have a choice. We're already booked for,
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I don't know, two weeks or something
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like that. But but all of a sudden,
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we're driving along making good time on
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a two-lane road going through the middle
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of Wisconsin at 60 below zero late at
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night, and and uh all of a sudden, out
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of the corner of our eye, we saw a deer
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come running out from the woods right
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out toward our pathway. I and you know,
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of course, you think real quickly like,
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don't want to hit that. If we hit that,
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we're going to be there with a deer.
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>> And there's no we can't walk to
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somewhere there's nowhere to walk to.
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And my poor wife, she's from Louisiana.
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>> She she said the the nose hairs were
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freezing in her nose. It was like she
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said, "I never been around anything like
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this in my life. We did not have this in
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Baton Rouge.
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I didn't like it either. But [laughter]
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but anyway, what I'm getting to is all
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of a sudden we look out and out of the
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the uh the right side out here, there
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was a sizable deer that came running out
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from the woods right out toward our
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pathway. There's no way to stop there.
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And all of a sudden, all of a sudden,
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that deer starts doing going in circles
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and going round and round and round and
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round and round and kind of looking at
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us like, "Who are you?" And uh we drove
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on by and got to our stop that night.
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That deer was probably wondering what in
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the world spun him around there. But I
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looked back there and I thought, our our
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life is a long series of angels watching
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over us and taking care of us.
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>> Okay. We were in uh
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we could go on and on with this. I'm not
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going to. But we were in um uh Zimbabwe.
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Did a meeting there. We'd been at one
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time we'd been into uh South Africa.
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another time went back went into
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Zimbabwe into Harrari and u had uh
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friends there um we just met a guy just
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a couple weeks ago in in Italy and uh we
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were asking him where he's from he said
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I'm from Zimbabwe and we said do you
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know Tom Duchelle he said oh yeah we
-
know Tom Duchelle that's this is big
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church in Herarrar he said when we went
-
it was a home Bible study it was not a
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big church but we went we we did
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meetings in their church and stayed in
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their home and um they Somebody loaned
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them a beat up
-
old ski boat, which is fine if it runs.
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And so we went up to the Zambzi River. I
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didn't know it was a river. I've never
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been to Zimbabwe before. So we went up
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there, got a place to stay, and they've
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got the skiboat, and they're going to
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take us water skiing. Said, "Great. I
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love that." I didn't know what the
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Zambzi River was like. Nobody told me.
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Took a few years before anybody filled
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me in on it. But we're out there on the
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Zambzi River and and u they decided to
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let me be the first one out there. Put a
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life jacket on me, put a skis on me,
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threw a rope out and threw me out into
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the water and I'm just out behind the
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boat. Well, now the boat won't start.
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And so it's a it's not a lake where
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you're sitting there. It's a river where
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you're flowing. And I looked up and saw
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all these bumps out in front of the
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boat. And I thought, I wonder what those
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are. Somebody said, "Those are hippos."
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I said, "Oh, they're kind of cute
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animals. They're just big." They told us
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later, "They're cute." Yeah, but they'll
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get under the boat and flip you over and
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kill you if you know if they don't like
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humans. And so, we're going we're
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floating with the boat not running.
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We're floating toward the hippos. Nobody
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told me that there are crocodiles all
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along the
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the the shoreline. I'm out here having a
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wonderful time with my life jacket on
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enjoying the warm water
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and uh all of a sudden thinking, you
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know, we probably ought to stay in faith
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over this cuz I'm not sure what those
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big things are out in front of the boat,
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but I I gather it's not a really good
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thing. We've got we've got cases like
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that from all over the world where we've
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seen God using angels to take care of
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us. Just before we got to the hippos,
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all of a sudden the engines started up
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and away we went. And so I'm skiing
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around the Zambesy River. Got crocodiles
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over here and hippos over here and I
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just wanted to get back to the
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shoreline. But uh
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but anyway, there's so many things that
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we can talk about. We could let you know
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where we've seen God do amazing things.
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Uh some are just protection. You ever
-
stop thinking about the fact back there
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in the what uh the book of Daniel, you
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got the three Hebrew boys, Shadrach,
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Meshach, Abedneo, okay? And they're in
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trouble with the king there and um
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they got thrown into the fiery furnace.
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We know that from the scriptures, first
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I think it's the third chapter of the
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book of Daniel. They got thrown into the
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fiery furnace, but God was the
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protecting God. and he got thrown in
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there and the king came out and he
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looked and you know they already burned
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the guys that threw him in. Okay, they
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did. He said, "You guys didn't do a very
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good job. I'm going to throw you in the
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fire." Threw the guys that that threw
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them into the fire. And the king looked
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in there and he said, "Wait a minute.
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Didn't we throw three in there?" He
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said, "Yeah, we did, but there's a
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fourth one in there. The fourth one
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looks like the son of God."
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And they all came walking out and said,
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uh, to the king said, "We we have not
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been burned. Our clothes aren't burned.
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Our shoes aren't burned. Our hair is not
-
burned. We're not burned. God has sent
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his angel and protected us through all
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that." And of course, the king, you
-
know, he he he got on board with the
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project there and forgave them for all
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that. And so, we see back there, divine
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protection. But way back there, God sent
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angels in there. I don't know about you,
-
but I like reading back and finding out
-
what God did to take care of his people
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under the old because if he could do it
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under the old, he's sure going to do it
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under the new.
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>> And if you go a couple more chapters,
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you've got Daniel back there where he's
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defied the king. The king said, "I don't
-
want anybody serving any god or praying
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to any god except me." And Daniel said,
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"Sorry, got to do what I got to do." So
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they took him in there and and they
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threw him in the lion's den. Okay, that
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can be a problem. Threw him in the
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lion's den. He didn't seem to be too
-
upset about all that. The king can't now
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the king because he's got his word out
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there. He's got to do that. There's some
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bad guys that have pushed him with his
-
word. He said, "I got to do it. I've
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already signed this statement that says,
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I've got to do that. I'm the king." And
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the king's out there all night long.
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He's sweating because he liked Daniel,
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but he didn't he didn't really want to
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see him get eaten up by a lion. But he
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threw him in there. And when they came
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in the in the morning, they rolled the
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stone back and said, "Daniel is still in
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there." He said, "Oh, yeah, I'm doing
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fine." God sent his angel
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>> and took care of me all night long. The
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way I see it, he probably laid there
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with his head on one line and his feet
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on another one and slept all the way
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through.
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God protected him. Yes,
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>> there's so many things, so many uh you
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know, I get started and there's no way
-
no nowhere to stop, but um you know, um
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looking back through, we've talked about
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this before. Whoa.
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Um with miracles, you've heard me tell
-
this one before, but I love I I love it,
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so I want to hear it again.
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We were in a meeting in Munich, Germany.
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Pastor Janet and I were um there was a
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uh there was a a wild prophet that we
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had with us, Ed Defrain.
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I see a few heads doing this. The rest
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of you, you just missed half your life.
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But anyway, we were in this meeting that
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was on a second floor in uh in an office
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complex in Munich, Germany. Church still
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over there. Uh John and Mariana Angelina
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doing a great job. Got a great church
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over there. And uh we were doing this
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meeting, had a week of meetings over
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there. And uh um Pastor Janet and I,
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we're sitting on the front row. Ed's
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ministering in the evening service and
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we're doing I think we did maybe five
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nights of meetings. I'm not real sure,
-
but he um [snorts]
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is ministering and just the way the way
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God used him. He'd call people up and
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and there were just miracle people
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getting miracles on a regular basis.
-
Healings had taken place just the way
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the gift operated in his life. Well,
-
he's ministering to people and the
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platform, I don't know, it was a low
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ceiling, so the platform would have been
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maybe as high as the first step, maybe
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the second step. I don't recall exactly,
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but he's on the platform and all of a
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sudden down the center aisle. Here comes
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this this man. Can't tell how old he is.
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He's he's bent over. Bent over. Remember
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the 13th chapter of the book of Luke
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said there was a a woman that had a a
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spirit of infirmity for 18 years. bowed
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over together, could in no wise lift up
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herself. She's and Jesus saw her and he
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called her to him and said,"Woman, thou
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art loose from thine infirmity, laid
-
hands on her. Immediately she's made
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straight, glorifies God." We we see all
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that. Well, what about modern day? This
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guy's coming down this center aisle down
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here and he's he's not walking. He's
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he's bent over. He can't see anything.
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He's bowed totally bowed over together.
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All he can do is turn his head sideways
-
to be able to see where he's going. He
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can't walk straight. He's bound over
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together. We didn't know what was wrong.
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I mean, of course, you're guessing it
-
was u some form of crippling arthritis.
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We found out later that's probably what
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it was. He haven't he hasn't come to any
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of the meetings. We haven't seen him
-
before. He hasn't been in the crowd. Um
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but he's coming down that he had Ed
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hadn't given a call for anybody to come
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get healed. He just we're just we're
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just get people are getting healed. It's
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things are happening. This guy's coming
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down the center aisle very slowly
-
because he can barely walk. He's bowed
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over together. He can in no wise lift up
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himself. He comes down there. Well, Ed
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sees him coming and he just stops and
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watches. Okay, what are we going to do?
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Who is this guy? Pastor didn't know him.
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Interpreter, the pastor's wife didn't
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know him. He's coming down that center
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aisle
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and uh Ed's up on the probably the first
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step over here. The guy makes his way
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down here, comes up to where Ed's
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standing there, somehow drops down to
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his knees, puts his hands on Ed's feet,
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and then puts his head on his hands. Ed
-
jumps back. He says, "Don't do that.
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You're going to get me in trouble. I'm
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not your healer. Jesus is your healer."
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Going through working through an
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interpreter. I'm not the healer. Jesus
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is the healer. Don't do that. You'll get
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me in trouble. So, the guy backed up and
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got back on his feet. And he backed up.
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Ed didn't lay hands on him. He didn't
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pray for him. But the guy's on his feet
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right about back over here. And all of a
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sudden, all of a sudden, he's starting
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to straighten up. We're all watching.
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Okay, no question about it. My eyes are
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good. We're right over here. He's over
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here. And all of a sudden, he's starting
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to straighten up a little more and a
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little more and a little more. Well, Ed
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doesn't run over and, you know, grab
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hold of No, he just stands there and he
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goes, "Wow, look at that. Look at that."
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And I I'm thinking, I'm looking, but I
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don't know what I'm looking at. This guy
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is he's there's a miracle happening
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here. He said, "Look at that." And so
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we're all watching. The whole church was
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and and we're watching and and he said
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all of a sudden, he said, "Look at
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that." He said, "There's an angel behind
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him. He's got him by the shoulders and
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he's straightening his body out there
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and his whole back is straightening
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out." And within a matter of, I don't
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know, maybe a minute, two minutes, maybe
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max, that guy's back was totally
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straight. He was as straight as you and
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me. Totally straightened out. Stood
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there upright like that. His eyes are
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about this big around. He doesn't know
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what's happening. Nobody knew who he
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was. Nobody knew where he came from.
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Nobody knew what was going on. All I
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know is this guy came from the back of
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the room, came to the front, knelt down
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up there and and and Ed said, "Look at
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that. There's an angel that's got him by
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the shoulders and he's straightening him
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up." Well, the wild part was he got him
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straightened up and all of a sudden we
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look over and he not only straightened
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him up, but all of a sudden he
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straightened him up and he's going he's
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he's his feet are coming off the floor.
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We thought he's going airborne. This guy
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this guy is going to take off into the
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air. That angel's going to pick him up.
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We don't know what's going on. And his
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eyes got really big then and about that
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time it all stopped. The angel
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disappeared and he turned around and I
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don't know what happened. No idea what
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happened after that. I think they took
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him to a prayer room. don't know. But
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the guy turns around perfectly healed,
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whole and healthy, and he walks all the
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way to the back totally healed from the
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top of his head to the soles of his
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feet. There things like that. We were in
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a meeting in uh I can find a place to
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stop this. I haven't gotten to my
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subject yet. So, we uh there's a church
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in uh uh Colorado, Longmont, Colorado.
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Long story there. And [snorts] uh uh
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it's where um I I was the youth pastor
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for 13 months and when came back here to
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Tulsa, met met my lovely wife and we got
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married. We're starting to travel and
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the pastor would have us up in the
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church maybe yearly. He'd have us come
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up and do meetings and he did a
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conference every fourth of July week.
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He'd do a like a missions conference up
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there. And so um and we what we'd do is
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oftentimes we'd go down uh to Shreport
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to Pastor Sam Carr's his freedom
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crusade. We'd go two or three days at
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that, catch a flight, fly up to Denver
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and go to Longmont where the this other
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church was and we'd finish up the week
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there. So we were doing two churches in
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one week. And as we're doing that, um we
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got there on a on a Monday if I recall
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and somebody came up to us and said,
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"Man, you should have been here
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yesterday." Said, "Oh, don't do that.
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we we'd only be one place at one time.
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Said, "Well, what happened?" Said,
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"Well,
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uh, Brother Ed was ministering." Said,
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"Yeah, we know he was ministering. Don't
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like missing anything, but we just
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couldn't be both places." Said he was
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ministering and, um, he stopped and he
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said, "And the church was full of
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people, packed full." And he stopped and
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he said, "No." He said, "Uh uh," he
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[snorts] said, "I need to pray for
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anybody that has heart issues." Anybody
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has heart issues? Well, in a full
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church, you're going to have people with
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anything from uh, you know, from u
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arteries to heart to anything. He said,
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"I need to pray for anybody that has
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heart issues." And uh,
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people came up from everywhere lined up
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there. I don't know if it was the
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morning or the night. I I couldn't tell
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you which service it was, but they said
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he's he's ministering to people. And I
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mean, people are getting like instant
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results. They can tell the difference in
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their physical body. You know, I'm I'm
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thankful to say I believe I got it. I
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love it when you say I know I got it. I
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mean, it's the pain's all gone. The
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discomfort's all gone. So, people are
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getting results. And uh [snorts] if I
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recall right, Ed said, "Well, one more
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thing." He said, "There's somebody here.
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You don't just need your heart fixed.
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You need a new You have to have a new
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heart.
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You have to have a new heart. Brand new
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heart. You can't just fix this one.
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You've been told you have to have a new
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heart." Who is that? Well, guy right at
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the end of the line down there. He said,
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"That's me." He [snorts] said, "I have
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to have a new heart. If I don't have a
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new heart, I'm going to die real soon.
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I've been to the doctor. Doctor said,
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"There's nothing we can do. Nothing
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medical science can do. Your heart's
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shot. It's it's it's it's in bad shape.
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Nothing anybody can do. You have to have
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a new heart." He said, "That's me." And
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said, "Well, I need to minister to you
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because you're the one I'm looking for."
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Guy said, "Okay, the reason I know that
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is because through the service, they had
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a big grand piano right over here on the
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platform." And he said, "There's an
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angel been standing behind that piano
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all through the service holding a new
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heart for somebody, and I knew I just
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had to get to where I could find the
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right person to get the new heart, and
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you are the one. So, you're going to get
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a new heart tonight."
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>> So, he came up there, got in the line.
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Well, see, I used to work at that church
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for a little over a year. And and I knew
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I I knew the if I if I got it right, his
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he I would say he was probably maybe
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60ish, something like that. I don't
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know, but his brother had been in that
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church. Okay. I I think maybe even on uh
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the board or something. I'm not sure.
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Anyway, his brother had been in that
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church and uh something happened and uh
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it took his life. He he passed away. So
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his brother had died and you know they'd
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had the funeral and and he's out in the
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in the they've got a grave a marker out
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there and um so this guy says my brother
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passed away out here whatever a year two
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years whatever it was ago and he said I
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think he was maybe from Ohio but I'm not
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sure. He said and I wanted to come out
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here because the doctor said I'm the
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next one cuz I'm not going to last long
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and I wanted to come out here and see
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where my brother's marker was. I wanted
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to come by and say hi to him and tell
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him, "Hang on. I'll be there with you
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soon." That was what that's why he came
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out there. He went to the meeting so he
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could tell his brother, "I'm going to
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come see you." He gets out there and he
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comes up, he gets in this line and he he
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had been in this meeting and he had not
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been able to get the stairs to get to
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his hotel room. He'd take a suitcase and
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he'd set it on the step and then he'd
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take a step up and he'd take suitcase
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and put it on another one. That's how
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he'd get up and down. He had no
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strength, no energy. his heart's not
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working right. So, [snorts] he knew
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that. Well, he gets in this line. Ed
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ministers to him. The angel brings uh
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See, angels are they don't heal, but
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they're messengers.
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>> Okay? Messengers, they they don't they
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don't make pizzas. They just bring them.
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Messenger doesn't do the miracle. They
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just bring the miracle.
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>> So, anyway, so he comes up there, Ed
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ministers to him. We find out the next
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day he goes back home, goes back to the
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hotel and he doesn't walk up the steps.
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He runs up the steps, runs up and down,
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up and down. He came back, told church,
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says, "Well, I had to go talk to my
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brother [laughter]
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and tell him, you know, I'm sorry, but
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you're going to have to wait a little
-
longer cuz I'm not going to be there for
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a long time yet. I went to church last
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night and God gave me a new heart and
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I'm not going to be there for a long
-
time. So, you just enjoy your time over
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there in heaven and I'm going to it'll
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be a few years before I show up now
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because I got a new heart and I'm ready
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to go.
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>> I don't know where that went after that.
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No idea. But he got a he got a a
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miracle. Got a miracle on the spot. He
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didn't just get a heart repair.
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Uh he got a brand new one.
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>> Brand new one. Well, we could go on and
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on with this. could we could go on and
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on with the the healings and the
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miracles and the things that we've seen
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over really the past 45 years, something
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like that, where people have gotten
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healings, gotten miracles, gotten
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amazing things like that. Uh we've been
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able to see this all over the world.
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We've seen people um well, I won't go
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into that. We'll be here for another
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half hour. But anyway, there's all kinds
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of things and um but that belongs to all
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of us. And I don't know about you, but
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if there's something that belongs to me,
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I I don't want to sit back and have
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angels going, I'd do something that
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they'd give me something to do. But if
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they don't give me something to do, I
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can't do anything because I hearken
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>> diligently to the voice of his word. If
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they'll just talk, I can move. If
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they'll talk, I can move. I can move. If
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they talk, if they'll say something, I
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can do something. That's how this all
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works. Most miracles that you and I
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need, and I'm going to close with this.
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Most miracles, most things you and I
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need on planet Earth don't have to come
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out of heaven. Well, I'm waiting for God
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to, you know, I'm waiting for him to
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grow a money tree and pour $100. No, he
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doesn't do that. Most everything we need
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here is already here.
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>> Okay? I mean, back there, you go to the
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book of Genesis and God God told him
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where the, you know, where the gold was
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buried. And the gold of that that land
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is good gold. And yeah, he didn't say,
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"I'll send a a couple bricks from heaven
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to take care of you." No, it's already
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down here.
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>> The gold, the silver, the earth is the
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Lord's in the fullness thereof. Most
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anything we need down here, if it's a
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physical miracle, God doesn't have to
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send it from heaven. In fact, he said,
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"If the spirit of him that raised up
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Jesus from the dead dwells
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>> in you, he that raised up Christ from
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the dead will also quicken, make alive,
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and heal your mortal body by the spirit
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that dwelleth in you." We're not looking
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for something to get poured out of
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heaven. We're looking for heaven to rise
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up in us and start doing something in
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our lives.
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>> Angels are down here. They can take care
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of whatever it is we need to have done.
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They're down here. They're they're sent
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uh basically the uh first chapter of the
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book of Hebrews, the what is it? 34th
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verse. Anyway, it says uh the
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ministering spirits are sent to
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minister. I always thought it said
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minister to those to be heirs of
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salvation. I thought I'll take all the
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help I can get. But if you look at the
-
last verse of the first chapter of the
-
book of Hebrews, it says, "Their
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ministering spirits are sent forth to
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minister."
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>> Y'all step ahead of me here. All right.
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Sent to minister, and that is good. Sent
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to minister for those to be heirs of
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salvation. They don't have to minister
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just to me. They can minister for me.
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[snorts]
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>> I'll give you one more.
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>> I I'm a car guy, okay? Not like I used
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to be. I've kind of outgrown it sort of.
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But I was
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>> Come on.
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[laughter] It's my faith statement.
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You know, from the 60s and 70s, classic
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cars. I'm a car guy. I can't do what I
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can't do these cars today. They got too
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much stuff under the hood. I can't even
-
get the hood open on my car. I've never
-
even tried to open it up. I don't want
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to. Everything's computerized and all
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that. I don't do all the computers back
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in the day. Yeah.
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>> Anyway,
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>> and anyway, uh you know, just just going
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back through there, just I I I uh I
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moved out here. I packed up two
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suitcases and moved out here to go to to
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Rama. Brother Hagen had just started.
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It's 1974. I didn't know who he was. I
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didn't know what Rama was. I didn't know
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I didn't know what the Bible was. All I
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knew is I saw this brochure in my
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parents' mailbox. Somebody put them on
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the list. I read that and I I couldn't
-
describe it. All I knew is the minute I
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picked it up, I thought, I don't know
-
what this is, but I got to go to this
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place. Called them up on the phone, they
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accepted me over the phone and I packed
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up, headed out here to Tulsa. Had a
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friend out here. He's a OU grad. Uh he
-
was a doing actually a CPA, I think, out
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by OU. And so I called him up. He said,
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"Yeah, you can come stay at my place for
-
a while. We'll we'll probably end up
-
getting a bigger place." So anyway, uh
-
so I came out here in and uh um you
-
know, but I just sold my car. So I'm I'm
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I'm started out by ORU going to to
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Harvard. No, no, Sheridan First. If you
-
know anything about Tulsa from OU to
-
Sheridan First is not a short ride. I'm
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borrowing my roommate's girlfriend's
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bicycle and I'm riding across the
-
streets of Tulsa to get to this new
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school.
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I I I look like a Mormon missionary.
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I've got a white shirt. I got a tie.
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I've gotten a haircut. I'm thinking this
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is a Bible school. They're not going to
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let me in if I look like I have been
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looking. So, I'm I'm I'm I'm trying to
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look decent out there. And I ride up and
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the door opens up and this guy comes
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walking out and he's got hair down over
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his shoulders. He's got a beard about
-
this big. All you can see are these two
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glasses. And I said, "Is there a school
-
here?" He said, "Yeah, why?" I said, "I
-
think I'm supposed to come." He said,
-
"Come on in. I'm one of the students." I
-
thought I like this place already.
-
[laughter]
-
He ended up being a good friend of mine
-
for years. But uh but uh anyway, um I
-
had to get a car. Had a distant relative
-
in Dallas. Contacted him. He had a
-
little car lot and I said, "I need a car
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and I don't know what to get." He said,
-
"Come on down. I got one. I can I I'll
-
set you up with something." So, I rode a
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bus, got on a Greyhound, went to Dallas
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uh over a weekend, and uh he not only
-
got me a car, he got long story, but
-
anyway, he had a this was 74. He had a
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68 uh Jaguar XK convertible.
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I didn't even have to look at it. I
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said, I'm sold [laughter]
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yellow black convertible top. I I That's
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it. That's it. I don't even care how
-
much this costs. I I got some money. I'm
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I Yeah, I'll drive it back.
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[laughter]
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So, I did.
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By the time I got home, by the time I
-
got home, the speedometer had quit. I
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came through a I came through an
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Oklahoma storm, and I had more water
-
inside the car than I had outside the
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car.
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It was a wreck,
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but it had a nice paint job on it.
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>> [laughter]
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>> I'm driving this thing back middle of
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the night coming up whatever highway I
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was coming. I didn't know where I was,
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you know, didn't have GPS, didn't have
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Siri, didn't even have a map. I'm just
-
trying to follow signs to get back up
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here cuz I got school the next day and I
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got this car. I don't even know if it's
-
going to get me here. I'm going through
-
storms and all this. And uh make a long
-
story short, uh my this relative said,
-
"I don't know if I want to sell this
-
thing to you. It's going to give you
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some trouble." I said, "I I'm a shade
-
tree mechanic. I could fix anything."
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Well, the problem was I couldn't find
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the shade. [laughter]
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I'm working on that car all the time.
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I'm always working on and it was a
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British sports car, so nowhere in Tulsa
-
had the parts for British. I couldn't
-
even get parts for it. So, I'm working
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on all this. And come wintertime, I uh I
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get in this thing and I'm going to drive
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it to Michigan Christmas time.
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Yeah. That's what I thought. So, I'm in
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this thing and and it just won't run
-
right. Anything under 45 to 50 mph, it's
-
not going to run. And I'm in a blizzard.
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I'm going by cars and blowing snow on
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everybody and people are calling me
-
names and all this. And I just wanted to
-
get I just wanted to get home. And uh I
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got back up here and and by the time I
-
got here, the clutch wasn't working, the
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brakes weren't working, speedometer
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wasn't working, car wasn't working.
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>> Been there.
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been I've had a number of those. But I
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took it down and my dad had a he and
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another guy had a real estate company. I
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got it down there. I I kind of crippled
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it down there, pulled it up in front of
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the thing, pulled it up in a snowbank,
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put a for sale sign in the window and
-
said, "Dad, I got to sell this thing. I
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can't get this back to Oklahoma." And my
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brother-in-law had a extra car, had a
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Pinto, I think it was. Is that what that
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was? I've gone from a I've gone from a
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Jaguar to a Pinto. [laughter]
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He said, "If you can get it running, you
-
can borrow this thing for a while." I
-
said, "Sure." Okay. So, got it running
-
and he kindly loaned that to me for a
-
few months until I could get something
-
else figured out so I could get back to
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school. And um
-
so anyway, so so
-
they hearkened hearkened to the voice of
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his word. I said, "My God supplies all
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my need. I need a buyer for that thing.
-
I need a buyer for a British convertible
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broke down in the middle of winter in
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Michigan in a snowbank. I need a buyer.
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I told my dad, I said, "Somebody's going
-
to come and buy this thing." He said,
-
"Okay,
-
sure." I said, "If they want to buy it,
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sell it."
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And I knew what I had to have. I had
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$2,200 into the thing. And I I really
-
needed to get that out because I got to
-
buy something else. And um so anyway, he
-
uh he calls me up in a couple days. He
-
said, "Remember you told me somebody's
-
going to come buy that car?" I said,
-
"Yeah." He said, "Some guy came by in
-
the middle of winter, pulled up and
-
said, "Is that car for sale?" He said,
-
"Yeah." He said, "My wife's been wanting
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one for years. I want to buy it." Said,
-
"I will work you a deal."
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Gave him a a deposit. I don't know, $500
-
or something. And uh said, "I'll send a
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truck to we'll put it on a truck. We'll
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haul it back to I don't I think
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Wisconsin if I remember right. 60 below
-
zero." Anyway.
-
Anyway, he said, "My wife, she's been
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wanting one." My dad said, "Did you have
-
you got a mechanic to go with it? You
-
know, you're going to need one." So,
-
anyway, so he gets this all set. Next
-
day, he said, Next day, another guy came
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by and said, "Is that car for sale?" He
-
said, "Well, sort of. Why?" He says, "I
-
want one." He says, "I'll give you I'll
-
give you whatever you want, I'll pay you
-
for it." He said, "Well, I've already
-
got a buyer." He said, "I'll pay you
-
more for it." They're bidding for my
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piece of junk.
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I said, "Whatever they'll give you, take
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it." He said, 'Well, I told him, I've
-
already got a I've already got a a buyer
-
and I'm not going to I'm not going to
-
cheat him on that. So, anyway, they came
-
and bought the thing and I got another
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car right after that, but I saw angels
-
worked around and brought people in out
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of two different states to come buy that
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car.
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>> They knew where somebody was that needed
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it, wanted it, for some strange reason
-
desired it. I don't know why somebody
-
wanted it. I had a motorcycle I had to
-
get rid of after that. Did the same
-
thing. Somebody came and got that I made
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out of the clear blue. bought that thing
-
because I'm never going to come back to
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Michigan and start riding that thing
-
again. And it just I saw angels working
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like that. They not only minister to us,
-
they not only protect us, but they'll
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minister for us.
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>> And if there's something we need to
-
have, if we need to sell a piece of
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property, we need to sell a house, we
-
need to if there's something if there's
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something we need them to take care of,
-
they know who needs what we've got.
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>> And I've got to stop. Let's stand to our
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feet.
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Father, we thank you in the wonderful
-
name of Jesus. Thank you, Father, for
-
the ministry of angels, supernatural
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beings sent forth to minister for those
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beers of salvation. Father, I pray this
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will get so real on the inside of us
-
that we'll tap into that and we'll keep
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them working for us, for us, for our
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homes, our families, our our loved ones.
-
We we'll keep them working for us on our
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finances, on our on our dwellings, on
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our on our vehicles. I thank you for it,
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dear Father. We thank you for it in the
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wonderful name of Jesus.