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The Ministry of Angels | Mark Brazee | World Outreach Church

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  1. and just enjoy the presence of God.

  2. Hallelujah. Glory to God. Praise God.

  3. Well, let's um let's open our Bibles to

  4. uh if you have a Bible with you, that's

  5. a good start. If you don't, I just

  6. recommend you get one to bring with you

  7. next time.

  8. >> Then this ought to be be our most prized

  9. possession,

  10. >> the Bible. Now, I know it's different

  11. today. You know, when I got started, I I

  12. tried a King James and I couldn't

  13. understand it. So, somebody gave me a

  14. living Bible. started making more sense.

  15. And now here we are hundred years down

  16. the road and I've got a iPad and a a

  17. watch and a and I I've got Bibles

  18. everywhere and I appreciate all of them.

  19. Everywhere I turn, I got a Bible

  20. somewhere because that is that is the

  21. key to all of our answers.

  22. >> Somebody said, "I thought it was the

  23. Holy Ghost." It takes the Holy Ghost to

  24. teach that to us. Yeah.

  25. >> You know, I remember when I first began

  26. to read the Bible, and I remember when

  27. the spirit of God began to quicken

  28. things to me, began to teach me things

  29. that I'd read before, but didn't get

  30. them. But I can remember I I read over

  31. Philip in Philippians chapter 4:1 19

  32. that I was I was broke. Didn't have any

  33. money. My I was my job wasn't working

  34. out well. I was in real estate at the

  35. time and there was no real to it. Um

  36. not making any money. Things weren't

  37. going good. I said, "God, I just got to

  38. have some answers here. You know, I'm

  39. I'm a I'm newly walking with God. Hadn't

  40. been very long. I'd left college. Just I

  41. thought I've got to get away from where

  42. I'm at if I plan to walk with God

  43. because it's not going well. And uh you

  44. know, I just got back in the presence of

  45. God. And but but just fl just broke. And

  46. I remember saying, God, I got to have

  47. some answers here. I fasted and I prayed

  48. and I prayed some more and fasted some

  49. more. I fasted. I that didn't do

  50. anything for me. But you know, finally I

  51. opened my Bible.

  52. If I had started there, I'd have saved

  53. myself, you know, number of weeks of

  54. grief and torment. But anyway, but I'm

  55. Philippians chapter 4:1 19. I just did

  56. one of these deals, you know,

  57. charismatic deals. Open, close your eyes

  58. and see where it opens to. I'm I'm just

  59. grateful I didn't it didn't fall open

  60. to, you know, Leviticus and [laughter]

  61. animal sacrifices and

  62. it fell open. Just the mercy of God. You

  63. you know, we're going to talk this

  64. morning about angels. We were there

  65. recently. We're going to pick back up

  66. there about the ministry of angels.

  67. Well, I believe in it because I saw a

  68. few things happen. I didn't have

  69. anything to do with any of that, but my

  70. Bible fell open to Philippians in the

  71. fourth chapter. I thought, well, that's

  72. as good as anything. And I began to read

  73. that and I got to Philippians 4:19 says,

    Philippians 4:19

  74. "And my God

  75. >> shall supply all your need according to

  76. his riches and glory, not according to

  77. how bad it is, not according to the

  78. economy, not according to my job. My God

  79. shall supply all your need according to

  80. his His riches and glory. And his riches

  81. and glory are really good.

  82. >> He's got a vault. He's got a safe up

  83. there. It's bigger than anything we've

  84. ever seen. He will supply all your need.

  85. I didn't know that. Nobody ever told me

  86. that. I just read that. I read it and

  87. out loud said, "I wish I could believe

  88. that."

  89. Closed the book, got in my car, went out

  90. driving around looking for listings.

  91. Just I thought that's just it. But you

  92. know, that verse wouldn't leave me

  93. alone. And since it wouldn't leave me

  94. alone, I stayed with it

  95. >> day after day after day. I I didn't

  96. intentionally just sit down and read it.

  97. It just kept coming back up.

  98. >> And within a couple weeks time, all of a

  99. sudden, it's just like somebody dropped

  100. it on the inside of me. I couldn't tell

  101. you how. I couldn't tell. I don't I

  102. didn't know anything about it. Clueless

  103. as you could get, but it dropped down on

  104. the inside of me. And I thought, all I

  105. know is my God supplies all my need

  106. according to his riches and glory by

  107. Christ Jesus. My job doesn't, my

  108. employment doesn't. the real estate

  109. market doesn't my God supplies all my

  110. need and I don't know how he's going to

  111. do this but he's going to do it that was

  112. in roughly 1970

  113. early 1974 I believe it was and you know

  114. I have never seen God never seen the

  115. righteous forsaken

  116. >> or a seed begging bread

  117. >> I've been watching God do it ever since

  118. he has never let me down let us down

  119. will let us down but it all started out

  120. with just finding something in the

  121. Bible. So anyway, that's not the

  122. message. That's just extra. So anyway,

  123. I'm going to come back around here for a

  124. little bit uh this morning and uh on uh

  125. the ministry of angels. Just got kind of

  126. stirred on that a few weeks back and we

  127. ministered on one Sunday and and I

  128. thought we finished up and and really we

  129. just kind of got to the beginning. In

  130. fact, if we had the time to get into

  131. this, we could spend the next month just

  132. on this subject alone. in uh in really

  133. since really since about 1974

  134. roughly about that time when I began to

  135. find some things out about the presence

  136. of God didn't know much but I began to

  137. just have some encounters with the Holy

  138. Ghost nu numerous unusual things

  139. very some of them very unusual things

  140. and uh you know I just got hungry for

  141. the things of God and all of a sudden I

  142. I had a knowledge I didn't know anything

  143. about angels they didn't talk about that

  144. in the church I grew up

  145. Well, if they did, I didn't hear it.

  146. Probably was sleeping through it. I

  147. don't know. But anyway, um they're

  148. talking, you know, I just suddenly this

  149. this the the the truth about the subject

  150. of the ministry of angels came on the

  151. inside of me. And since that time, since

  152. really 1974 until now, that's a couple

  153. years. Had a lot of encounters. I've had

  154. some individually. Pastor Janet and I

  155. have had numerous encounters in, you

  156. know, not only here in the States, but

  157. uh in the other nations of the world.

  158. We've had some some great uh great, like

  159. I said, encounters with the Holy Ghost

  160. uh and with with angels say, "Do you see

  161. them all the time?" No, I don't know if

  162. I've ever seen one. Well, you know,

  163. maybe maybe one sometimes you've got

  164. angels unaware. Sometimes you're

  165. encountering some people that really

  166. they they are an angel doing a job

  167. there. I've had a couple things like

  168. that. But as a general rule, there's

  169. just a knowing or a hearing on the

  170. inside. There's it's it's not the Holy

  171. Ghost. It's it's angels bringing

  172. something. And I want to just spend a

  173. little more time on that this morning. I

  174. don't know. We may spend more in the

  175. days to come. But um I've just got a

  176. stirring that where we're headed in the

  177. the church world that in the days to

  178. come, we need to um be well aware of the

  179. help we have and make sure we're doing

  180. something about it. You know, I mean, a

  181. lot of us, I know, we've gone through

  182. life going, "Well, I don't know. An

  183. angel's never helped me. If they've ever

  184. done anything for me, I don't know about

  185. it." Well, have you ever done anything

  186. to activate them?

  187. >> You know, if you went out and sat in

  188. your car and said, "I don't know why

  189. this crazy thing just won't run."

  190. >> Did you do anything to start it?

  191. >> Well, why should I have to start it? It

  192. sits there in the driveway. Well,

  193. sometimes with angels, it's like, okay,

  194. they're there, but am I doing anything

  195. to get them working in my life? Well,

  196. why should I have to do anything? I

  197. don't know. I didn't write the book, but

  198. that's just the way it works. And if we

  199. learn that um as we go along, have you

  200. have you found what did I say? Uh pro uh

  201. uh Psalm 91st Psalm. Did I say that? I

  202. didn't. I should have.

  203. 91st Psalm. I'm not going to read the

  204. whole chapter. Uh 91st Psalm. We could

  205. there's been so many I I I've read over

  206. the years. I've read so many books um

  207. either written about John G. Lake or

  208. written by John G. Lake. Uh some of you

  209. may not even know who that is. That's

  210. fine. Uh I just ran across his writings

  211. years ago now. And uh you know like

  212. Pastor Janet, she feeds on Smith

  213. Wigglesworth. You know, every time every

  214. time she's either reading the Bible or

  215. she's reading Smith Wigglesworth. I like

  216. that. But I'm to me it's like, okay,

  217. that's great, but I'm going to find a

  218. John G. lake book because there's

  219. something in that that I want. He walked

  220. in some things I'm really hungry for.

  221. Okay. And so anyway, but John G. Lake,

  222. he just seemed to know some things. And

  223. in reading his books, I saw some things

  224. really concerning

  225. some of the activity of angels working

  226. on behalf of people that got hold of the

  227. 91st Psalm. And I'll just go to verse 10

  228. just for the sake of time where he says

  229. there God says to Israel, he says for uh

  230. he'll give his angels charge over you to

  231. keep you in all your ways. They'll bury

  232. you up in their hands lest you dash your

  233. foot against a stone. He said, "Bottom

  234. line is I've I've given you somebody to

  235. help you." Okay? I've given you someone

  236. to help you. There shall no evil befall

  237. thee, neither shall any plague come n

  238. thy dwelling. For he shall give his

  239. angels charge over thee to keep thee in

  240. all

  241. >> all thy ways. Not just every now and

  242. then, not just in the really bad stuff.

  243. He said he'll give I've given my angels

  244. charge over you to keep you in all your

  245. ways. Whatever ways I'm in, if I'm

  246. trusting God, doing what I know to do,

  247. he's given angelic help. And they're not

  248. the the chubby little things on the

  249. Valentine cards.

  250. Thank God. Okay. If you look over the

  251. 103rd Psalm, 20th verse, it said that

  252. they're mighty in strength.

  253. >> They're big. They're big.

  254. >> There's different, you know, I've read

  255. books about some see them as angels, you

  256. know, female angels with flowing robes

  257. and all that. I don't know. Don't know.

  258. Haven't had that happen. I have

  259. questions about that, but that's just my

  260. questions. But if you go back through

  261. there, everything I find in the

  262. scriptures, angels appear to be big um

  263. guys, big men. Okay, that's what it

  264. appears to be. If somebody's going to be

  265. protecting me, I'd really rather have

  266. like a 8- foot, you know, 400 pound guy

  267. than a little lady with flowing robes.

  268. And [laughter]

  269. >> I better keep moving here. I'm going to

  270. get myself in trouble. [laughter]

  271. I heard a yell over there.

  272. But anyway, anyway, going back through,

  273. I'm circling around to get somewhere.

  274. Going back through in John Lakes's

  275. writings, there's the 91st Psalm again

  276. where he said starting verse 10, "No

  277. evil shall befall thee, neither shall

  278. any plague come nigh thy dwelling, for

  279. he shall give his angels charge over

  280. thee to keep thee in all thy ways. They

  281. shall bear thee up in their hands in

  282. their hands." One translation I read

  283. years ago said hands meaning hands like

  284. hands. So these are not just wimpy

  285. little guys. These are big guys. These

  286. are not the ones you see on the pictures

  287. in the European cathedrals. These are

  288. big guys. They bear you up in their

  289. hands lest you dash your foot against a

  290. stone. I've got great protection there.

  291. You've got great protection there.

  292. >> Okay. And if you go back through, Jesus

  293. talked about it in what was I think it

  294. was Matthew's gospel the 18th chapter

  295. around verse 10. He said uh really

  296. talked about how the angel is ever

  297. beholding. said, "Be careful that you

  298. don't offend one of these little ones

  299. because their angel is ever beholding

  300. the face of their father who is in

  301. heaven." So the really at the point of

  302. conception, I'm convinced of at the at

  303. the moment of conception, every

  304. individual has an angel assigned to them

  305. that's ever beholding the face of the

  306. father. My angel's been looking at the

  307. face of the father for a lot of years

  308. now. And he's done a lot of things. and

  309. he's kept me out of a lot of trouble,

  310. bailed me out of a lot of trouble. But

  311. anyway,

  312. going back through there, um,

  313. John G. Lake and some things that he

  314. wrote over the years. I couldn't even

  315. tell you what books it's in, but talked

  316. about some different instances that he

  317. knew of that took place either in his

  318. ministry or uh people that were were a

  319. part of his ministry in another country.

  320. And uh they uh he talked about a group

  321. of um uh really during world war I in

  322. the trenches over in Europe. Uh there

  323. was a group of men that got hold of the

  324. 91st Psalm. Just a group of men, company

  325. of men. I have I have no idea how many

  326. there were in this particular instance,

  327. but they got hold of the 91st Psalm.

  328. They began every morning they'd start

  329. their day out together reading the 91st

  330. Psalm. And they went through World War I

  331. in the trenches and no one was killed.

  332. No one was badly injured. And um they

  333. had a miracle. They had miracles

  334. happening all of they went all through

  335. World War I with divine protection. But

  336. they started their days out that way. If

  337. they could do it that way in a war, we

  338. can do it that way in the middle of

  339. where we are today.

  340. >> There's another guy talked about in one

  341. of Lakes's books. The guy was he just

  342. took a stand on the 91st Psalm. No evil

  343. shall befall me. No plague shall come

  344. nigh my dwelling. For he shall give his

  345. angels charge over me to keep me in all

  346. my ways. They'll bear me up in their

  347. hands, lest I dash my foot against a

  348. stone. A thousand will fall at my side,

  349. 10,000 at my right hand. But it'll not

  350. come near me. Only with my eyes will I

  351. see and behold the reward of the wicked.

  352. With long life,

  353. >> with long life

  354. >> with long life,

  355. >> I'll squeak by

  356. wander like a beggar through the heat

  357. and the cold. No, with long life, he

  358. will.

  359. >> What's that next word? He will satisfy

  360. me with long life. He will satisfy me.

  361. If it's not satisfying, it's not as good

  362. as it as it should be. With long life,

  363. he'll satisfy me and show me his

  364. salvation. So, I'm going to walk through

  365. with a satisfying life down here until I

  366. get to the end, take my last breath, and

  367. then I step on over into the fullness of

  368. my salvation

  369. >> over on the other side. But there was a

  370. guy that was reading it on a regular

  371. basis. Got hold of the truths of who we

  372. are in Christ. What God has done for us

  373. in Christ, what belongs to us in Christ,

  374. the divine help we have by angelic

  375. ministry in our place in Christ, who we

  376. have watching over us and taking care of

  377. us. There was a guy that was reading all

  378. that and in the middle of uh goodness, I

  379. I couldn't even tell you what war it

  380. was. It's been few years since I've read

  381. this, but [snorts] one of the soldiers

  382. uh got shot. He got shot and the uh the

  383. the uh the bullet went right through

  384. him. Should have should have died on the

  385. spot, but they went to check him out and

  386. they couldn't find the bullet hole. It

  387. had gone all the way through him and

  388. then healed itself up.

  389. >> He got up and finished the war. I mean,

  390. a bullet went right through him. Why? He

  391. had divine angelic help.

  392. >> I don't know about you, I don't I don't

  393. want to put any limits on this thing.

  394. Well, this can't happen and that can't

  395. happen. No. All things are

  396. >> possible to him that believeth. I'm not

  397. not expecting to be shocked, but I'll

  398. tell you what, I believe we have a place

  399. in God. We have a place with angelic um

  400. help,

  401. >> supernatural help. There's so many

  402. directions we could go with this. I'm

  403. I'm I'm kind of weaving around to find

  404. out which which way to start, but um

  405. but that's where he started out. and and

  406. really in in the 91st Psalm, it's where

  407. everything starts out for us. And we if

  408. we'll get that working on the inside of

  409. us, it'll work every everywhere all the

  410. time. Um I I was thinking back through

  411. um so many things. Like I said, we could

  412. we could get on this subject and stay

  413. for weeks and talk about a lot of

  414. different um Bible truths and a lot of

  415. different examples. Um, we had uh

  416. actually Pastor Janet was uh uh I think

  417. it was before we had the church if I

  418. remember right. She was going to uh

  419. Panama City Beach uh to speak at a

  420. ladies conference, gonna fly down there

  421. and uh going to fly down, you know, I

  422. was going to take her to the airport

  423. late morning and uh we had goodness, I

  424. don't know, four or five uh ladies that

  425. were on staff at the time and we had a

  426. excuse me, a excuse me, a you know, a

  427. full-size passenger van

  428. and uh they wanted to know if they could

  429. go. Well, she said, "Sure, they could go

  430. down and go to the meetings and help run

  431. the product table with, you know, the

  432. the books and tapes and all that." And

  433. uh so they got up early in the morning

  434. to leave to drive down there. You know,

  435. it was a long day trip down there. And

  436. they were going to get down there before

  437. she got down on the on the flight. And I

  438. don't know, I had to be about 5:00 in

  439. the morning, 5:30. And I'm not I'm not

  440. by nature an early riser, but I woke up

  441. and I just had a burden to pray. So I

  442. just quietly began to pray. Okay? Didn't

  443. wake my wife up. Just prayed. Just kept

  444. praying. Prayed and prayed and prayed.

  445. Something's I thought something's wrong.

  446. Something's wrong. Something's wrong.

  447. And And you know, I didn't know what it

  448. was. Sometimes you just don't know.

  449. >> Sometimes you just don't know. When we

  450. know not what to pray for, as we ought

  451. the spirit himself helpth us.

  452. >> So sometimes you just don't know what

  453. Well, what if what if I don't know? It

  454. can't be important. No, it might be very

  455. important. It's just not important that

  456. we know what it is.

  457. >> Amen. So anyway,

  458. did some praying and um uh prayed I

  459. don't know maybe I don't know 45 minutes

  460. something like that maybe an hour heck I

  461. don't recall right now but all of a

  462. sudden um you you could you know when

  463. there's a burden to pray you know when

  464. there's something something just isn't

  465. right there's just a a heaviness there's

  466. just a you know it's like somebody

  467. pulled the window shades down

  468. something's not right well all of a

  469. sudden all of a sudden they just all

  470. lifted I mean you know it was just the

  471. there was joy there. It was whatever it

  472. was, it was gone. Whatever it was, we

  473. got the we got the answer to that. And

  474. uh so, but I thought, well, you know, uh

  475. it it can't hurt to ask. I said, Lord,

  476. you know, I mean, if you choose not to

  477. tell me, I don't really care, but if you

  478. do choose to tell me, I'd like to know

  479. what that was all about. I mean, you

  480. know, why'd you wake me up? Why didn't

  481. you wake my wife up?

  482. Anyway,

  483. anyway. Anyway, I just when I asked

  484. that, I heard spirit of God on the

  485. inside say the devil's going to try to

  486. take out your whole staff today, but

  487. because you prayed because you prayed,

  488. angels are going to be doing their job

  489. and everything's going to be okay. I

  490. said, "Good." I went back to sleep, did

  491. my job. Well, you know, and when later

  492. on we got up and Pastor Janet was

  493. getting ready to go and I'm getting

  494. ready to take her to the airport and I

  495. said, "I'm going to tell you something

  496. this morning. had just an uncction to

  497. pray. And and when when we got the

  498. victory over whatever that was, spirit

  499. of God said, "Everything's all it's it's

  500. all taken care of." I don't know what it

  501. was, but it's like the devil's going to

  502. try to take out our staff today. And I

  503. don't know, there were what, maybe four

  504. or five

  505. or six of the ladies on our staff, and

  506. they're all going to go down there, go

  507. to this lady's conference down there.

  508. And um so I just said, "I don't know.

  509. Maybe maybe they don't even know. Maybe

  510. there's no no knowledge of what was

  511. going to take place." So, um, she, uh,

  512. she said, "Okay." And so, I talked to

  513. her later in the day. This was, this was

  514. before cell phones, back before the

  515. wheel. I mean, we we this was back there

  516. a ways, but we talked later on. And, uh,

  517. uh, she told me later on that day, she

  518. said, "Well, you know, when I got there,

  519. the the ladies were all there. They'd

  520. arrived and and they were checking into

  521. the hotel at the same time." And she

  522. said, "I got there, they picked me up at

  523. the airport. I was checking in and and

  524. you know, we were just, you know, having

  525. a good time talking and and uh one of

  526. them said, if I got this right, one of

  527. them said, "You're never going to

  528. believe what happened today." She said,

  529. "Well, what happened?" They said, "We're

  530. driving down whatever the highway was. I

  531. don't know what it would be. um from

  532. Tulsa going across the you know the the

  533. Gulf area over into uh um Panama City

  534. Beach area and said uh all of us in the

  535. in the van and uh we were we're there

  536. was two lanes of traffic and there's one

  537. a car over here on the the right side.

  538. there was another larger vehicle on the

  539. the left side and we were coming up

  540. behind the vehicle on the left side and

  541. waiting for them to move on over so we

  542. could get on by and said out of the

  543. clear blue all of a sudden they slammed

  544. on their brakes. No traffic, no cars, no

  545. trucks, no nothing. Just we came up

  546. behind them and before we could do

  547. anything else they slammed on the brakes

  548. on the vehicle right in front of us. No,

  549. absolutely no time to stop. We couldn't

  550. slow down. We couldn't stop. We couldn't

  551. pull over. There's nowhere to pull over.

  552. There's two lanes and there's cars in

  553. both lanes. They said, "We don't know

  554. what happened. We don't know what

  555. happened except when they slammed on

  556. their brakes, we tried to get around

  557. them. There was nowhere to go. But

  558. somehow we got this big 18 passenger

  559. van. Somehow we got this between two

  560. vehicles on two lanes. We went through

  561. without a scratch on either one. Came

  562. out on the other side, pulled off the

  563. side of the road, and sat and cried.

  564. Angels though,

  565. >> angels protected our whole staff. Could

  566. have taken out a part or all of our

  567. staff that day and instead all of them

  568. went through and they had a great

  569. meeting over there in Panama City Beach.

  570. But, you know, just uh angelic help. We

  571. need to be expecting that. I mean, we

  572. talked about it. Goodness, whenever it

  573. was a week ago, we talked about the fact

  574. that we need to do something about it.

  575. Okay? If angels aren't helping us, it's

  576. because we're not giving them something

  577. to work with.

  578. You know, as we said, sometimes they're

  579. sitting around by the campfire singing

  580. kumbaya because we haven't given them

  581. anything to do and then wondering why

  582. they don't do something. It's because we

  583. didn't give them the equipment to do

  584. something with. Well, yeah, but God's

  585. called them. He's called them, but yet

  586. he gave us scriptures. If you go back to

  587. the ninth and tth chapters of the book

  588. of Daniel, you see back there where

  589. Daniel was praying about end time

  590. things. the prophet Daniel back in the

  591. Old Testament praying about end time

  592. events and what to look for in the last

  593. days and uh wasn't getting any

  594. information and suddenly an angel shows

  595. up. Okay, an angel shows up and says um

  596. you know that he'd been he'd actually

  597. been praying for 21 days. Daniel had

  598. been we see that in the ninth and the

  599. 10th chapters he he'd spend time in

  600. prayer. He was he was giving everything

  601. he could. And this angel shows up and

  602. says, you know, Daniel began to commend

  603. him for his walk with God. But said, the

  604. minute you prayed, I was sent from the

  605. throne of God.

  606. >> Yeah.

  607. >> Think about that. Even under the Old

  608. Testament, from the moment you prayed, I

  609. was sent from the throne of God to bring

  610. you the answer. But the prince of Persia

  611. detained me. Well, now that might not

  612. mean anything to most of us, but you

  613. know what Persia is?

  614. Thank you.

  615. >> And you know, you know, Prince of Persia

  616. is not some guy that was, you know,

  617. sitting on the throne back there and

  618. died off. The prince of Persia was the

  619. uh individual, the me the the spirit

  620. that was in charge, spiritually speaking

  621. from darkness over that part of the

  622. world. And if you wonder why they're

  623. having so much trouble in Iran right

  624. now, the Prince of Persia didn't die.

  625. The Prince of Persia is still a being

  626. that's in charge over that nation.

  627. And I'm not going to get into that

  628. anymore. That's not my subject. But

  629. anyway, anyway, he said I was he said I

  630. was there. He said, I I was sent by the

  631. from the throne of God and I was in uh

  632. detained by the prince of Persia for 21

  633. days until Michael came to set me free

  634. so I could bring the answer to you. Now

  635. I've got to go back and pick up the

  636. battle.

  637. >> Yeah.

  638. >> Think about that.

  639. >> Think about that. He said, "But I," In

  640. other words, the answer was coming for

  641. 21 days. It wasn't Daniel's fault that

  642. the answer didn't come. It wasn't God's

  643. fault the answer didn't come. The angel

  644. came in contact with the prince of

  645. Persia and was detained for 21 days. But

  646. he didn't stop. He just worked with it.

  647. And because because Daniel stayed with

  648. his prayer life,

  649. >> didn't he?

  650. >> Isn't that what the angel said? From the

  651. moment you started the the the answer

  652. came, but you stayed with it 20 and one

  653. days.

  654. >> Three weeks he stayed with it. How long

  655. have we stayed with stuff to get an

  656. answer? Well, if God was going to do it,

  657. he'd have done it by now. Well, God did

  658. it back there for Daniel, but Daniel had

  659. to stick with it

  660. >> to get the answer there.

  661. >> Okay. And so brought the answer. Uh you

  662. go back through and and my goodness, the

  663. the angelic activity,

  664. if we just stay just in the Old

  665. Testament alone, there's there's angelic

  666. protection. And if they could have it

  667. back then, like I said, Daniel, it

  668. worked for Daniel because he did what?

  669. He prayed. He said he mourned. That's

  670. praying. Could be praying in some

  671. fasting. I don't know. It just depends

  672. on what translation you're reading. But

  673. he stayed with it until it worked. He

  674. stuck with it until it worked. But

  675. there's two facets. And then if you go

  676. over to the 103rd Psalm, the 20th verse,

  677. it talks about back there how angels are

  678. mighty in strength, hearkening

  679. >> to what?

  680. >> Hearkening to hearkening to our prayers.

  681. Well, that's not what he says there.

  682. Although that is an important part, they

  683. do hearken to our prayers. Absolutely.

  684. Okay. Our prayer to the father opens

  685. things up for God to send angel angelic

  686. help. But the 103rd Psalm 20th verse

  687. said the angels ministering spirits are

  688. are they're they're not just like I

  689. said, they're not the little Valentine

  690. babies. They're mighty in strength, but

  691. they hearken to the

  692. >> to the voice. It's not they don't just

  693. hearken to it's not if I carry a Bible

  694. around, they're going to do whatever I

  695. need. It says they hearken to the

  696. >> voice. In other words, if I'll give

  697. voice, they'll give action.

  698. >> Yeah.

  699. >> Got a good friend,

  700. >> had a angelic visitation number of years

  701. ago, was having some real issues going

  702. in his life and ministry at the time.

  703. Things were not going well at all. And

  704. he said, all of a sudden, he looked up

  705. and there's this giant angel standing

  706. right beside him. And he said, "I don't

  707. think he said anything." He didn't have

  708. to say anything. He didn't have to say

  709. anything. He was waiting for the friend

  710. to say something.

  711. >> It's not what the angels necessarily say

  712. to me. It's what I've got to say to

  713. them. They hearken diligently to the

  714. voice

  715. to his voice, voice of the word, voice

  716. of the Lord. He said without thinking.

  717. He said without thinking, he said, I

  718. quoted, first of all, I quoted, my God

  719. supplies all my need according to his

  720. riches and glory by Christ Jesus. Well,

  721. he was a minister and didn't have any

  722. meetings. Didn't have anywhere to go.

  723. Didn't have any invitations. Said he

  724. said that and a couple other scriptures.

  725. He just said, and he said the minute he

  726. spoke those scriptures, he said all of a

  727. sudden that angel just took off,

  728. disappeared. But before long, he's got

  729. invitations. Before long, he's got

  730. finances. Before long, he's got answers.

  731. But it didn't work until he said

  732. something. If if we'll get hold of that,

  733. they will do what we need to have done,

  734. but we've got to do what we need to have

  735. done.

  736. >> Am I doing something about it? Well, I

  737. haven't had any angels help me. Well,

  738. have you been helping them?

  739. We were in actually Pastor Janet and I

  740. we had uh it would have been goodness I

  741. think it was probably around uh

  742. 1979

  743. maybe 80 maybe around 1981 something

  744. like that. We we just got married 1979

  745. and uh started out we had a we had a I

  746. won't even go into all that. We had a

  747. car and uh

  748. but we started traveling and and I I'm

  749. thinking it was m it was December and I

  750. think it was maybe 1981. I don't know

  751. for sure. Um and [snorts] uh you know we

  752. were talking to brother Heagen and he

  753. said, "Where are you guys going next?"

  754. "Well, it's December. We're going to

  755. we're go." Anybody ever been to

  756. Wisconsin

  757. in December?

  758. Like cold December?

  759. Well, I'm from Michigan, so I understand

  760. cold, but I don't take it by choice. But

  761. anyway, we were we booked a we booked

  762. like two weeks of meetings in in

  763. Wisconsin in December of that year. Now,

  764. we didn't know maybe some of you were

  765. there. May I we didn't know that it was

  766. going to be record cold temperatures.

  767. I've been in cold. I just hadn't been in

  768. record cold. So, we're we're going to go

  769. up there and uh we're going to we're

  770. driving.

  771. Okay. We're these are not flying trips

  772. in these days, okay? We're just glad to

  773. have a car to drive. We're we're we're

  774. driving to Wisconsin. We're going to do

  775. meetings with Wisconsin for I don't know

  776. a week and a half, something like that.

  777. Then we're going to go up over across

  778. the top. We're going to go across the

  779. upper peninsula of Michigan, come down

  780. through and come down at Christmas time.

  781. We're going to spend Christmas with uh

  782. my family that year. And so we got this

  783. plan trip all planned out and we're in

  784. Wisconsin. Um, and the the man that

  785. said, "I'll set your meetings up for

  786. you." I found out what that means. Said,

  787. "I'll set your meetings up for you." And

  788. he said, "We'll just we'll just book you

  789. in a couple places. You'll have a full

  790. schedule." We got there and he said,

  791. "Well, well, anytime somebody says,

  792. well,

  793. that well is deep." anyway

  794. said, "You know, some other things have

  795. come up and there's another ministry

  796. that's, you know, doing these big

  797. meetings and they've they've got all the

  798. pastors coming to their conferences and

  799. so all the places you were going to go,

  800. you can't go anymore because the pastors

  801. aren't going to be there. But I've

  802. rebooked you in places." We said, "Well,

  803. good. At least as long as we got

  804. somewhere to go." and he said, 'Ive

  805. booked you places, but he said, 'The

  806. problem is you're going to be going back

  807. and forth across the state of Wisconsin

  808. almost every other day back and forth

  809. through the first couple weeks of uh

  810. December.

  811. Well, now if that was, you know, Florida

  812. or, you know, somewhere with sunshine,

  813. that would be something. But but we're

  814. we're driving, we got to drive back and

  815. forth. We'd do a service and then we've

  816. got another service the next night, but

  817. we got to be on the other side of the

  818. state. So, we'd get in our car. We had a

  819. we we had just invested into a used I

  820. didn't even know what a BMW was. I saw

  821. it sitting on the lot and I thought that

  822. looks good. And so we bought it used and

  823. uh it really ran pretty good. But we

  824. we're driving this thing through and

  825. we're going to all these meetings and

  826. when we finish those we're going to go

  827. across the upper peninsula of Michigan

  828. back down through and spend Christmas

  829. down there. So, we're we're we're in

  830. this we're driving and we're going back

  831. and forth. And the problem was it was

  832. record low temperatures. It was 60 below

  833. zero.

  834. Now, if you never been at 60 below zero,

  835. don't. [laughter]

  836. I mean, it was cold. It was so cold our

  837. car would not heat up. I mean, our

  838. heater in the car was not getting heat.

  839. And so, we just just keep it going. As

  840. long as we keep going, we'll be all

  841. right. So, we're driving. We're driving.

  842. But the problem was that it was so cold

  843. and we're going across the state and

  844. whatever we're going across. There were

  845. no humans out there. There were there

  846. was there was no humanity out in those

  847. areas. But we're we're just going back

  848. and forth. We you'd think we'd know

  849. better.

  850. You know, if some if the car broke down

  851. out there and there's no vehicles and

  852. it's 60 below, they'd find us a year

  853. later.

  854. Was not a pleasant thing. And so we're

  855. we're driving back and forth every

  856. couple days. We drive back and forth and

  857. it was so cold. But we're driving along

  858. one night and and and we're having to

  859. hurry because we got to get there at

  860. night, get checked into the hotel and we

  861. got services the next day and so we're

  862. making good time of course and u there's

  863. no lights, no houses. It's late at night

  864. and uh but we're believing God declaring

  865. 91st Psalm, though evil shall befall us,

  866. no plague shall come n our dwelling, for

  867. he shall give his angels charge over us

  868. to keep us. Now, I normally wouldn't

  869. have booked that kind of a a trip, but

  870. somebody did it for us. We didn't really

  871. have a choice. We're already booked for,

  872. I don't know, two weeks or something

  873. like that. But but all of a sudden,

  874. we're driving along making good time on

  875. a two-lane road going through the middle

  876. of Wisconsin at 60 below zero late at

  877. night, and and uh all of a sudden, out

  878. of the corner of our eye, we saw a deer

  879. come running out from the woods right

  880. out toward our pathway. I and you know,

  881. of course, you think real quickly like,

  882. don't want to hit that. If we hit that,

  883. we're going to be there with a deer.

  884. >> And there's no we can't walk to

  885. somewhere there's nowhere to walk to.

  886. And my poor wife, she's from Louisiana.

  887. >> She she said the the nose hairs were

  888. freezing in her nose. It was like she

  889. said, "I never been around anything like

  890. this in my life. We did not have this in

  891. Baton Rouge.

  892. I didn't like it either. But [laughter]

  893. but anyway, what I'm getting to is all

  894. of a sudden we look out and out of the

  895. the uh the right side out here, there

  896. was a sizable deer that came running out

  897. from the woods right out toward our

  898. pathway. There's no way to stop there.

  899. And all of a sudden, all of a sudden,

  900. that deer starts doing going in circles

  901. and going round and round and round and

  902. round and round and kind of looking at

  903. us like, "Who are you?" And uh we drove

  904. on by and got to our stop that night.

  905. That deer was probably wondering what in

  906. the world spun him around there. But I

  907. looked back there and I thought, our our

  908. life is a long series of angels watching

  909. over us and taking care of us.

  910. >> Okay. We were in uh

  911. we could go on and on with this. I'm not

  912. going to. But we were in um uh Zimbabwe.

  913. Did a meeting there. We'd been at one

  914. time we'd been into uh South Africa.

  915. another time went back went into

  916. Zimbabwe into Harrari and u had uh

  917. friends there um we just met a guy just

  918. a couple weeks ago in in Italy and uh we

  919. were asking him where he's from he said

  920. I'm from Zimbabwe and we said do you

  921. know Tom Duchelle he said oh yeah we

  922. know Tom Duchelle that's this is big

  923. church in Herarrar he said when we went

  924. it was a home Bible study it was not a

  925. big church but we went we we did

  926. meetings in their church and stayed in

  927. their home and um they Somebody loaned

  928. them a beat up

  929. old ski boat, which is fine if it runs.

  930. And so we went up to the Zambzi River. I

  931. didn't know it was a river. I've never

  932. been to Zimbabwe before. So we went up

  933. there, got a place to stay, and they've

  934. got the skiboat, and they're going to

  935. take us water skiing. Said, "Great. I

  936. love that." I didn't know what the

  937. Zambzi River was like. Nobody told me.

  938. Took a few years before anybody filled

  939. me in on it. But we're out there on the

  940. Zambzi River and and u they decided to

  941. let me be the first one out there. Put a

  942. life jacket on me, put a skis on me,

  943. threw a rope out and threw me out into

  944. the water and I'm just out behind the

  945. boat. Well, now the boat won't start.

  946. And so it's a it's not a lake where

  947. you're sitting there. It's a river where

  948. you're flowing. And I looked up and saw

  949. all these bumps out in front of the

  950. boat. And I thought, I wonder what those

  951. are. Somebody said, "Those are hippos."

  952. I said, "Oh, they're kind of cute

  953. animals. They're just big." They told us

  954. later, "They're cute." Yeah, but they'll

  955. get under the boat and flip you over and

  956. kill you if you know if they don't like

  957. humans. And so, we're going we're

  958. floating with the boat not running.

  959. We're floating toward the hippos. Nobody

  960. told me that there are crocodiles all

  961. along the

  962. the the shoreline. I'm out here having a

  963. wonderful time with my life jacket on

  964. enjoying the warm water

  965. and uh all of a sudden thinking, you

  966. know, we probably ought to stay in faith

  967. over this cuz I'm not sure what those

  968. big things are out in front of the boat,

  969. but I I gather it's not a really good

  970. thing. We've got we've got cases like

  971. that from all over the world where we've

  972. seen God using angels to take care of

  973. us. Just before we got to the hippos,

  974. all of a sudden the engines started up

  975. and away we went. And so I'm skiing

  976. around the Zambesy River. Got crocodiles

  977. over here and hippos over here and I

  978. just wanted to get back to the

  979. shoreline. But uh

  980. but anyway, there's so many things that

  981. we can talk about. We could let you know

  982. where we've seen God do amazing things.

  983. Uh some are just protection. You ever

  984. stop thinking about the fact back there

  985. in the what uh the book of Daniel, you

  986. got the three Hebrew boys, Shadrach,

  987. Meshach, Abedneo, okay? And they're in

  988. trouble with the king there and um

  989. they got thrown into the fiery furnace.

  990. We know that from the scriptures, first

  991. I think it's the third chapter of the

  992. book of Daniel. They got thrown into the

  993. fiery furnace, but God was the

  994. protecting God. and he got thrown in

  995. there and the king came out and he

  996. looked and you know they already burned

  997. the guys that threw him in. Okay, they

  998. did. He said, "You guys didn't do a very

  999. good job. I'm going to throw you in the

  1000. fire." Threw the guys that that threw

  1001. them into the fire. And the king looked

  1002. in there and he said, "Wait a minute.

  1003. Didn't we throw three in there?" He

  1004. said, "Yeah, we did, but there's a

  1005. fourth one in there. The fourth one

  1006. looks like the son of God."

  1007. And they all came walking out and said,

  1008. uh, to the king said, "We we have not

  1009. been burned. Our clothes aren't burned.

  1010. Our shoes aren't burned. Our hair is not

  1011. burned. We're not burned. God has sent

  1012. his angel and protected us through all

  1013. that." And of course, the king, you

  1014. know, he he he got on board with the

  1015. project there and forgave them for all

  1016. that. And so, we see back there, divine

  1017. protection. But way back there, God sent

  1018. angels in there. I don't know about you,

  1019. but I like reading back and finding out

  1020. what God did to take care of his people

  1021. under the old because if he could do it

  1022. under the old, he's sure going to do it

  1023. under the new.

  1024. >> And if you go a couple more chapters,

  1025. you've got Daniel back there where he's

  1026. defied the king. The king said, "I don't

  1027. want anybody serving any god or praying

  1028. to any god except me." And Daniel said,

  1029. "Sorry, got to do what I got to do." So

  1030. they took him in there and and they

  1031. threw him in the lion's den. Okay, that

  1032. can be a problem. Threw him in the

  1033. lion's den. He didn't seem to be too

  1034. upset about all that. The king can't now

  1035. the king because he's got his word out

  1036. there. He's got to do that. There's some

  1037. bad guys that have pushed him with his

  1038. word. He said, "I got to do it. I've

  1039. already signed this statement that says,

  1040. I've got to do that. I'm the king." And

  1041. the king's out there all night long.

  1042. He's sweating because he liked Daniel,

  1043. but he didn't he didn't really want to

  1044. see him get eaten up by a lion. But he

  1045. threw him in there. And when they came

  1046. in the in the morning, they rolled the

  1047. stone back and said, "Daniel is still in

  1048. there." He said, "Oh, yeah, I'm doing

  1049. fine." God sent his angel

  1050. >> and took care of me all night long. The

  1051. way I see it, he probably laid there

  1052. with his head on one line and his feet

  1053. on another one and slept all the way

  1054. through.

  1055. God protected him. Yes,

  1056. >> there's so many things, so many uh you

  1057. know, I get started and there's no way

  1058. no nowhere to stop, but um you know, um

  1059. looking back through, we've talked about

  1060. this before. Whoa.

  1061. Um with miracles, you've heard me tell

  1062. this one before, but I love I I love it,

  1063. so I want to hear it again.

  1064. We were in a meeting in Munich, Germany.

  1065. Pastor Janet and I were um there was a

  1066. uh there was a a wild prophet that we

  1067. had with us, Ed Defrain.

  1068. I see a few heads doing this. The rest

  1069. of you, you just missed half your life.

  1070. But anyway, we were in this meeting that

  1071. was on a second floor in uh in an office

  1072. complex in Munich, Germany. Church still

  1073. over there. Uh John and Mariana Angelina

  1074. doing a great job. Got a great church

  1075. over there. And uh we were doing this

  1076. meeting, had a week of meetings over

  1077. there. And uh um Pastor Janet and I,

  1078. we're sitting on the front row. Ed's

  1079. ministering in the evening service and

  1080. we're doing I think we did maybe five

  1081. nights of meetings. I'm not real sure,

  1082. but he um [snorts]

  1083. is ministering and just the way the way

  1084. God used him. He'd call people up and

  1085. and there were just miracle people

  1086. getting miracles on a regular basis.

  1087. Healings had taken place just the way

  1088. the gift operated in his life. Well,

  1089. he's ministering to people and the

  1090. platform, I don't know, it was a low

  1091. ceiling, so the platform would have been

  1092. maybe as high as the first step, maybe

  1093. the second step. I don't recall exactly,

  1094. but he's on the platform and all of a

  1095. sudden down the center aisle. Here comes

  1096. this this man. Can't tell how old he is.

  1097. He's he's bent over. Bent over. Remember

  1098. the 13th chapter of the book of Luke

  1099. said there was a a woman that had a a

  1100. spirit of infirmity for 18 years. bowed

  1101. over together, could in no wise lift up

  1102. herself. She's and Jesus saw her and he

  1103. called her to him and said,"Woman, thou

  1104. art loose from thine infirmity, laid

  1105. hands on her. Immediately she's made

  1106. straight, glorifies God." We we see all

  1107. that. Well, what about modern day? This

  1108. guy's coming down this center aisle down

  1109. here and he's he's not walking. He's

  1110. he's bent over. He can't see anything.

  1111. He's bowed totally bowed over together.

  1112. All he can do is turn his head sideways

  1113. to be able to see where he's going. He

  1114. can't walk straight. He's bound over

  1115. together. We didn't know what was wrong.

  1116. I mean, of course, you're guessing it

  1117. was u some form of crippling arthritis.

  1118. We found out later that's probably what

  1119. it was. He haven't he hasn't come to any

  1120. of the meetings. We haven't seen him

  1121. before. He hasn't been in the crowd. Um

  1122. but he's coming down that he had Ed

  1123. hadn't given a call for anybody to come

  1124. get healed. He just we're just we're

  1125. just get people are getting healed. It's

  1126. things are happening. This guy's coming

  1127. down the center aisle very slowly

  1128. because he can barely walk. He's bowed

  1129. over together. He can in no wise lift up

  1130. himself. He comes down there. Well, Ed

  1131. sees him coming and he just stops and

  1132. watches. Okay, what are we going to do?

  1133. Who is this guy? Pastor didn't know him.

  1134. Interpreter, the pastor's wife didn't

  1135. know him. He's coming down that center

  1136. aisle

  1137. and uh Ed's up on the probably the first

  1138. step over here. The guy makes his way

  1139. down here, comes up to where Ed's

  1140. standing there, somehow drops down to

  1141. his knees, puts his hands on Ed's feet,

  1142. and then puts his head on his hands. Ed

  1143. jumps back. He says, "Don't do that.

  1144. You're going to get me in trouble. I'm

  1145. not your healer. Jesus is your healer."

  1146. Going through working through an

  1147. interpreter. I'm not the healer. Jesus

  1148. is the healer. Don't do that. You'll get

  1149. me in trouble. So, the guy backed up and

  1150. got back on his feet. And he backed up.

  1151. Ed didn't lay hands on him. He didn't

  1152. pray for him. But the guy's on his feet

  1153. right about back over here. And all of a

  1154. sudden, all of a sudden, he's starting

  1155. to straighten up. We're all watching.

  1156. Okay, no question about it. My eyes are

  1157. good. We're right over here. He's over

  1158. here. And all of a sudden, he's starting

  1159. to straighten up a little more and a

  1160. little more and a little more. Well, Ed

  1161. doesn't run over and, you know, grab

  1162. hold of No, he just stands there and he

  1163. goes, "Wow, look at that. Look at that."

  1164. And I I'm thinking, I'm looking, but I

  1165. don't know what I'm looking at. This guy

  1166. is he's there's a miracle happening

  1167. here. He said, "Look at that." And so

  1168. we're all watching. The whole church was

  1169. and and we're watching and and he said

  1170. all of a sudden, he said, "Look at

  1171. that." He said, "There's an angel behind

  1172. him. He's got him by the shoulders and

  1173. he's straightening his body out there

  1174. and his whole back is straightening

  1175. out." And within a matter of, I don't

  1176. know, maybe a minute, two minutes, maybe

  1177. max, that guy's back was totally

  1178. straight. He was as straight as you and

  1179. me. Totally straightened out. Stood

  1180. there upright like that. His eyes are

  1181. about this big around. He doesn't know

  1182. what's happening. Nobody knew who he

  1183. was. Nobody knew where he came from.

  1184. Nobody knew what was going on. All I

  1185. know is this guy came from the back of

  1186. the room, came to the front, knelt down

  1187. up there and and and Ed said, "Look at

  1188. that. There's an angel that's got him by

  1189. the shoulders and he's straightening him

  1190. up." Well, the wild part was he got him

  1191. straightened up and all of a sudden we

  1192. look over and he not only straightened

  1193. him up, but all of a sudden he

  1194. straightened him up and he's going he's

  1195. he's his feet are coming off the floor.

  1196. We thought he's going airborne. This guy

  1197. this guy is going to take off into the

  1198. air. That angel's going to pick him up.

  1199. We don't know what's going on. And his

  1200. eyes got really big then and about that

  1201. time it all stopped. The angel

  1202. disappeared and he turned around and I

  1203. don't know what happened. No idea what

  1204. happened after that. I think they took

  1205. him to a prayer room. don't know. But

  1206. the guy turns around perfectly healed,

  1207. whole and healthy, and he walks all the

  1208. way to the back totally healed from the

  1209. top of his head to the soles of his

  1210. feet. There things like that. We were in

  1211. a meeting in uh I can find a place to

  1212. stop this. I haven't gotten to my

  1213. subject yet. So, we uh there's a church

  1214. in uh uh Colorado, Longmont, Colorado.

  1215. Long story there. And [snorts] uh uh

  1216. it's where um I I was the youth pastor

  1217. for 13 months and when came back here to

  1218. Tulsa, met met my lovely wife and we got

  1219. married. We're starting to travel and

  1220. the pastor would have us up in the

  1221. church maybe yearly. He'd have us come

  1222. up and do meetings and he did a

  1223. conference every fourth of July week.

  1224. He'd do a like a missions conference up

  1225. there. And so um and we what we'd do is

  1226. oftentimes we'd go down uh to Shreport

  1227. to Pastor Sam Carr's his freedom

  1228. crusade. We'd go two or three days at

  1229. that, catch a flight, fly up to Denver

  1230. and go to Longmont where the this other

  1231. church was and we'd finish up the week

  1232. there. So we were doing two churches in

  1233. one week. And as we're doing that, um we

  1234. got there on a on a Monday if I recall

  1235. and somebody came up to us and said,

  1236. "Man, you should have been here

  1237. yesterday." Said, "Oh, don't do that.

  1238. we we'd only be one place at one time.

  1239. Said, "Well, what happened?" Said,

  1240. "Well,

  1241. uh, Brother Ed was ministering." Said,

  1242. "Yeah, we know he was ministering. Don't

  1243. like missing anything, but we just

  1244. couldn't be both places." Said he was

  1245. ministering and, um, he stopped and he

  1246. said, "And the church was full of

  1247. people, packed full." And he stopped and

  1248. he said, "No." He said, "Uh uh," he

  1249. [snorts] said, "I need to pray for

  1250. anybody that has heart issues." Anybody

  1251. has heart issues? Well, in a full

  1252. church, you're going to have people with

  1253. anything from uh, you know, from u

  1254. arteries to heart to anything. He said,

  1255. "I need to pray for anybody that has

  1256. heart issues." And uh,

  1257. people came up from everywhere lined up

  1258. there. I don't know if it was the

  1259. morning or the night. I I couldn't tell

  1260. you which service it was, but they said

  1261. he's he's ministering to people. And I

  1262. mean, people are getting like instant

  1263. results. They can tell the difference in

  1264. their physical body. You know, I'm I'm

  1265. thankful to say I believe I got it. I

  1266. love it when you say I know I got it. I

  1267. mean, it's the pain's all gone. The

  1268. discomfort's all gone. So, people are

  1269. getting results. And uh [snorts] if I

  1270. recall right, Ed said, "Well, one more

  1271. thing." He said, "There's somebody here.

  1272. You don't just need your heart fixed.

  1273. You need a new You have to have a new

  1274. heart.

  1275. You have to have a new heart. Brand new

  1276. heart. You can't just fix this one.

  1277. You've been told you have to have a new

  1278. heart." Who is that? Well, guy right at

  1279. the end of the line down there. He said,

  1280. "That's me." He [snorts] said, "I have

  1281. to have a new heart. If I don't have a

  1282. new heart, I'm going to die real soon.

  1283. I've been to the doctor. Doctor said,

  1284. "There's nothing we can do. Nothing

  1285. medical science can do. Your heart's

  1286. shot. It's it's it's it's in bad shape.

  1287. Nothing anybody can do. You have to have

  1288. a new heart." He said, "That's me." And

  1289. said, "Well, I need to minister to you

  1290. because you're the one I'm looking for."

  1291. Guy said, "Okay, the reason I know that

  1292. is because through the service, they had

  1293. a big grand piano right over here on the

  1294. platform." And he said, "There's an

  1295. angel been standing behind that piano

  1296. all through the service holding a new

  1297. heart for somebody, and I knew I just

  1298. had to get to where I could find the

  1299. right person to get the new heart, and

  1300. you are the one. So, you're going to get

  1301. a new heart tonight."

  1302. >> So, he came up there, got in the line.

  1303. Well, see, I used to work at that church

  1304. for a little over a year. And and I knew

  1305. I I knew the if I if I got it right, his

  1306. he I would say he was probably maybe

  1307. 60ish, something like that. I don't

  1308. know, but his brother had been in that

  1309. church. Okay. I I think maybe even on uh

  1310. the board or something. I'm not sure.

  1311. Anyway, his brother had been in that

  1312. church and uh something happened and uh

  1313. it took his life. He he passed away. So

  1314. his brother had died and you know they'd

  1315. had the funeral and and he's out in the

  1316. in the they've got a grave a marker out

  1317. there and um so this guy says my brother

  1318. passed away out here whatever a year two

  1319. years whatever it was ago and he said I

  1320. think he was maybe from Ohio but I'm not

  1321. sure. He said and I wanted to come out

  1322. here because the doctor said I'm the

  1323. next one cuz I'm not going to last long

  1324. and I wanted to come out here and see

  1325. where my brother's marker was. I wanted

  1326. to come by and say hi to him and tell

  1327. him, "Hang on. I'll be there with you

  1328. soon." That was what that's why he came

  1329. out there. He went to the meeting so he

  1330. could tell his brother, "I'm going to

  1331. come see you." He gets out there and he

  1332. comes up, he gets in this line and he he

  1333. had been in this meeting and he had not

  1334. been able to get the stairs to get to

  1335. his hotel room. He'd take a suitcase and

  1336. he'd set it on the step and then he'd

  1337. take a step up and he'd take suitcase

  1338. and put it on another one. That's how

  1339. he'd get up and down. He had no

  1340. strength, no energy. his heart's not

  1341. working right. So, [snorts] he knew

  1342. that. Well, he gets in this line. Ed

  1343. ministers to him. The angel brings uh

  1344. See, angels are they don't heal, but

  1345. they're messengers.

  1346. >> Okay? Messengers, they they don't they

  1347. don't make pizzas. They just bring them.

  1348. Messenger doesn't do the miracle. They

  1349. just bring the miracle.

  1350. >> So, anyway, so he comes up there, Ed

  1351. ministers to him. We find out the next

  1352. day he goes back home, goes back to the

  1353. hotel and he doesn't walk up the steps.

  1354. He runs up the steps, runs up and down,

  1355. up and down. He came back, told church,

  1356. says, "Well, I had to go talk to my

  1357. brother [laughter]

  1358. and tell him, you know, I'm sorry, but

  1359. you're going to have to wait a little

  1360. longer cuz I'm not going to be there for

  1361. a long time yet. I went to church last

  1362. night and God gave me a new heart and

  1363. I'm not going to be there for a long

  1364. time. So, you just enjoy your time over

  1365. there in heaven and I'm going to it'll

  1366. be a few years before I show up now

  1367. because I got a new heart and I'm ready

  1368. to go.

  1369. >> I don't know where that went after that.

  1370. No idea. But he got a he got a a

  1371. miracle. Got a miracle on the spot. He

  1372. didn't just get a heart repair.

  1373. Uh he got a brand new one.

  1374. >> Brand new one. Well, we could go on and

  1375. on with this. could we could go on and

  1376. on with the the healings and the

  1377. miracles and the things that we've seen

  1378. over really the past 45 years, something

  1379. like that, where people have gotten

  1380. healings, gotten miracles, gotten

  1381. amazing things like that. Uh we've been

  1382. able to see this all over the world.

  1383. We've seen people um well, I won't go

  1384. into that. We'll be here for another

  1385. half hour. But anyway, there's all kinds

  1386. of things and um but that belongs to all

  1387. of us. And I don't know about you, but

  1388. if there's something that belongs to me,

  1389. I I don't want to sit back and have

  1390. angels going, I'd do something that

  1391. they'd give me something to do. But if

  1392. they don't give me something to do, I

  1393. can't do anything because I hearken

  1394. >> diligently to the voice of his word. If

  1395. they'll just talk, I can move. If

  1396. they'll talk, I can move. I can move. If

  1397. they talk, if they'll say something, I

  1398. can do something. That's how this all

  1399. works. Most miracles that you and I

  1400. need, and I'm going to close with this.

  1401. Most miracles, most things you and I

  1402. need on planet Earth don't have to come

  1403. out of heaven. Well, I'm waiting for God

  1404. to, you know, I'm waiting for him to

  1405. grow a money tree and pour $100. No, he

  1406. doesn't do that. Most everything we need

  1407. here is already here.

  1408. >> Okay? I mean, back there, you go to the

  1409. book of Genesis and God God told him

  1410. where the, you know, where the gold was

  1411. buried. And the gold of that that land

  1412. is good gold. And yeah, he didn't say,

  1413. "I'll send a a couple bricks from heaven

  1414. to take care of you." No, it's already

  1415. down here.

  1416. >> The gold, the silver, the earth is the

  1417. Lord's in the fullness thereof. Most

  1418. anything we need down here, if it's a

  1419. physical miracle, God doesn't have to

  1420. send it from heaven. In fact, he said,

  1421. "If the spirit of him that raised up

  1422. Jesus from the dead dwells

  1423. >> in you, he that raised up Christ from

  1424. the dead will also quicken, make alive,

  1425. and heal your mortal body by the spirit

  1426. that dwelleth in you." We're not looking

  1427. for something to get poured out of

  1428. heaven. We're looking for heaven to rise

  1429. up in us and start doing something in

  1430. our lives.

  1431. >> Angels are down here. They can take care

  1432. of whatever it is we need to have done.

  1433. They're down here. They're they're sent

  1434. uh basically the uh first chapter of the

  1435. book of Hebrews, the what is it? 34th

  1436. verse. Anyway, it says uh the

  1437. ministering spirits are sent to

  1438. minister. I always thought it said

  1439. minister to those to be heirs of

  1440. salvation. I thought I'll take all the

  1441. help I can get. But if you look at the

  1442. last verse of the first chapter of the

  1443. book of Hebrews, it says, "Their

  1444. ministering spirits are sent forth to

  1445. minister."

  1446. >> Y'all step ahead of me here. All right.

  1447. Sent to minister, and that is good. Sent

  1448. to minister for those to be heirs of

  1449. salvation. They don't have to minister

  1450. just to me. They can minister for me.

  1451. [snorts]

  1452. >> I'll give you one more.

  1453. >> I I'm a car guy, okay? Not like I used

  1454. to be. I've kind of outgrown it sort of.

  1455. But I was

  1456. >> Come on.

  1457. [laughter] It's my faith statement.

  1458. You know, from the 60s and 70s, classic

  1459. cars. I'm a car guy. I can't do what I

  1460. can't do these cars today. They got too

  1461. much stuff under the hood. I can't even

  1462. get the hood open on my car. I've never

  1463. even tried to open it up. I don't want

  1464. to. Everything's computerized and all

  1465. that. I don't do all the computers back

  1466. in the day. Yeah.

  1467. >> Anyway,

  1468. >> and anyway, uh you know, just just going

  1469. back through there, just I I I uh I

  1470. moved out here. I packed up two

  1471. suitcases and moved out here to go to to

  1472. Rama. Brother Hagen had just started.

  1473. It's 1974. I didn't know who he was. I

  1474. didn't know what Rama was. I didn't know

  1475. I didn't know what the Bible was. All I

  1476. knew is I saw this brochure in my

  1477. parents' mailbox. Somebody put them on

  1478. the list. I read that and I I couldn't

  1479. describe it. All I knew is the minute I

  1480. picked it up, I thought, I don't know

  1481. what this is, but I got to go to this

  1482. place. Called them up on the phone, they

  1483. accepted me over the phone and I packed

  1484. up, headed out here to Tulsa. Had a

  1485. friend out here. He's a OU grad. Uh he

  1486. was a doing actually a CPA, I think, out

  1487. by OU. And so I called him up. He said,

  1488. "Yeah, you can come stay at my place for

  1489. a while. We'll we'll probably end up

  1490. getting a bigger place." So anyway, uh

  1491. so I came out here in and uh um you

  1492. know, but I just sold my car. So I'm I'm

  1493. I'm started out by ORU going to to

  1494. Harvard. No, no, Sheridan First. If you

  1495. know anything about Tulsa from OU to

  1496. Sheridan First is not a short ride. I'm

  1497. borrowing my roommate's girlfriend's

  1498. bicycle and I'm riding across the

  1499. streets of Tulsa to get to this new

  1500. school.

  1501. I I I look like a Mormon missionary.

  1502. I've got a white shirt. I got a tie.

  1503. I've gotten a haircut. I'm thinking this

  1504. is a Bible school. They're not going to

  1505. let me in if I look like I have been

  1506. looking. So, I'm I'm I'm I'm trying to

  1507. look decent out there. And I ride up and

  1508. the door opens up and this guy comes

  1509. walking out and he's got hair down over

  1510. his shoulders. He's got a beard about

  1511. this big. All you can see are these two

  1512. glasses. And I said, "Is there a school

  1513. here?" He said, "Yeah, why?" I said, "I

  1514. think I'm supposed to come." He said,

  1515. "Come on in. I'm one of the students." I

  1516. thought I like this place already.

  1517. [laughter]

  1518. He ended up being a good friend of mine

  1519. for years. But uh but uh anyway, um I

  1520. had to get a car. Had a distant relative

  1521. in Dallas. Contacted him. He had a

  1522. little car lot and I said, "I need a car

  1523. and I don't know what to get." He said,

  1524. "Come on down. I got one. I can I I'll

  1525. set you up with something." So, I rode a

  1526. bus, got on a Greyhound, went to Dallas

  1527. uh over a weekend, and uh he not only

  1528. got me a car, he got long story, but

  1529. anyway, he had a this was 74. He had a

  1530. 68 uh Jaguar XK convertible.

  1531. I didn't even have to look at it. I

  1532. said, I'm sold [laughter]

  1533. yellow black convertible top. I I That's

  1534. it. That's it. I don't even care how

  1535. much this costs. I I got some money. I'm

  1536. I Yeah, I'll drive it back.

  1537. [laughter]

  1538. So, I did.

  1539. By the time I got home, by the time I

  1540. got home, the speedometer had quit. I

  1541. came through a I came through an

  1542. Oklahoma storm, and I had more water

  1543. inside the car than I had outside the

  1544. car.

  1545. It was a wreck,

  1546. but it had a nice paint job on it.

  1547. >> [laughter]

  1548. >> I'm driving this thing back middle of

  1549. the night coming up whatever highway I

  1550. was coming. I didn't know where I was,

  1551. you know, didn't have GPS, didn't have

  1552. Siri, didn't even have a map. I'm just

  1553. trying to follow signs to get back up

  1554. here cuz I got school the next day and I

  1555. got this car. I don't even know if it's

  1556. going to get me here. I'm going through

  1557. storms and all this. And uh make a long

  1558. story short, uh my this relative said,

  1559. "I don't know if I want to sell this

  1560. thing to you. It's going to give you

  1561. some trouble." I said, "I I'm a shade

  1562. tree mechanic. I could fix anything."

  1563. Well, the problem was I couldn't find

  1564. the shade. [laughter]

  1565. I'm working on that car all the time.

  1566. I'm always working on and it was a

  1567. British sports car, so nowhere in Tulsa

  1568. had the parts for British. I couldn't

  1569. even get parts for it. So, I'm working

  1570. on all this. And come wintertime, I uh I

  1571. get in this thing and I'm going to drive

  1572. it to Michigan Christmas time.

  1573. Yeah. That's what I thought. So, I'm in

  1574. this thing and and it just won't run

  1575. right. Anything under 45 to 50 mph, it's

  1576. not going to run. And I'm in a blizzard.

  1577. I'm going by cars and blowing snow on

  1578. everybody and people are calling me

  1579. names and all this. And I just wanted to

  1580. get I just wanted to get home. And uh I

  1581. got back up here and and by the time I

  1582. got here, the clutch wasn't working, the

  1583. brakes weren't working, speedometer

  1584. wasn't working, car wasn't working.

  1585. >> Been there.

  1586. been I've had a number of those. But I

  1587. took it down and my dad had a he and

  1588. another guy had a real estate company. I

  1589. got it down there. I I kind of crippled

  1590. it down there, pulled it up in front of

  1591. the thing, pulled it up in a snowbank,

  1592. put a for sale sign in the window and

  1593. said, "Dad, I got to sell this thing. I

  1594. can't get this back to Oklahoma." And my

  1595. brother-in-law had a extra car, had a

  1596. Pinto, I think it was. Is that what that

  1597. was? I've gone from a I've gone from a

  1598. Jaguar to a Pinto. [laughter]

  1599. He said, "If you can get it running, you

  1600. can borrow this thing for a while." I

  1601. said, "Sure." Okay. So, got it running

  1602. and he kindly loaned that to me for a

  1603. few months until I could get something

  1604. else figured out so I could get back to

  1605. school. And um

  1606. so anyway, so so

  1607. they hearkened hearkened to the voice of

  1608. his word. I said, "My God supplies all

  1609. my need. I need a buyer for that thing.

  1610. I need a buyer for a British convertible

  1611. broke down in the middle of winter in

  1612. Michigan in a snowbank. I need a buyer.

  1613. I told my dad, I said, "Somebody's going

  1614. to come and buy this thing." He said,

  1615. "Okay,

  1616. sure." I said, "If they want to buy it,

  1617. sell it."

  1618. And I knew what I had to have. I had

  1619. $2,200 into the thing. And I I really

  1620. needed to get that out because I got to

  1621. buy something else. And um so anyway, he

  1622. uh he calls me up in a couple days. He

  1623. said, "Remember you told me somebody's

  1624. going to come buy that car?" I said,

  1625. "Yeah." He said, "Some guy came by in

  1626. the middle of winter, pulled up and

  1627. said, "Is that car for sale?" He said,

  1628. "Yeah." He said, "My wife's been wanting

  1629. one for years. I want to buy it." Said,

  1630. "I will work you a deal."

  1631. Gave him a a deposit. I don't know, $500

  1632. or something. And uh said, "I'll send a

  1633. truck to we'll put it on a truck. We'll

  1634. haul it back to I don't I think

  1635. Wisconsin if I remember right. 60 below

  1636. zero." Anyway.

  1637. Anyway, he said, "My wife, she's been

  1638. wanting one." My dad said, "Did you have

  1639. you got a mechanic to go with it? You

  1640. know, you're going to need one." So,

  1641. anyway, so he gets this all set. Next

  1642. day, he said, Next day, another guy came

  1643. by and said, "Is that car for sale?" He

  1644. said, "Well, sort of. Why?" He says, "I

  1645. want one." He says, "I'll give you I'll

  1646. give you whatever you want, I'll pay you

  1647. for it." He said, "Well, I've already

  1648. got a buyer." He said, "I'll pay you

  1649. more for it." They're bidding for my

  1650. piece of junk.

  1651. I said, "Whatever they'll give you, take

  1652. it." He said, 'Well, I told him, I've

  1653. already got a I've already got a a buyer

  1654. and I'm not going to I'm not going to

  1655. cheat him on that. So, anyway, they came

  1656. and bought the thing and I got another

  1657. car right after that, but I saw angels

  1658. worked around and brought people in out

  1659. of two different states to come buy that

  1660. car.

  1661. >> They knew where somebody was that needed

  1662. it, wanted it, for some strange reason

  1663. desired it. I don't know why somebody

  1664. wanted it. I had a motorcycle I had to

  1665. get rid of after that. Did the same

  1666. thing. Somebody came and got that I made

  1667. out of the clear blue. bought that thing

  1668. because I'm never going to come back to

  1669. Michigan and start riding that thing

  1670. again. And it just I saw angels working

  1671. like that. They not only minister to us,

  1672. they not only protect us, but they'll

  1673. minister for us.

  1674. >> And if there's something we need to

  1675. have, if we need to sell a piece of

  1676. property, we need to sell a house, we

  1677. need to if there's something if there's

  1678. something we need them to take care of,

  1679. they know who needs what we've got.

  1680. >> And I've got to stop. Let's stand to our

  1681. feet.

  1682. Father, we thank you in the wonderful

  1683. name of Jesus. Thank you, Father, for

  1684. the ministry of angels, supernatural

  1685. beings sent forth to minister for those

  1686. beers of salvation. Father, I pray this

  1687. will get so real on the inside of us

  1688. that we'll tap into that and we'll keep

  1689. them working for us, for us, for our

  1690. homes, our families, our our loved ones.

  1691. We we'll keep them working for us on our

  1692. finances, on our on our dwellings, on

  1693. our on our vehicles. I thank you for it,

  1694. dear Father. We thank you for it in the

  1695. wonderful name of Jesus.