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EP 36: Serving at Front Porch

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  1. We're back again on the Grace Church Members Podcast with the

  2. third installment of our Front Porch Housing Celebration

  3. series. Today, we're sharing stories

  4. from several of our incredible volunteers, starting with Katie

  5. Jacobs, a community leader who supports our residents in a

  6. crucial way. I also got to talk with Savannah

  7. Robinson, a high school student and one of our childcare

  8. volunteers. And finally, Kevin and Mary

  9. Talley have served as missional residents for about nine months

  10. and continue to lend their advocacy and expertise to the

  11. financial coaching program at Front Porch.

  12. Hope you enjoy these conversations.

  13. I'm here today with Katie Jacobs, who is a volunteer at

  14. Front Porch Housing. Katie, thank you so much for

  15. joining us today. Thank you for having me.

  16. Absolutely. Well, first of all, we'd love to

  17. just hear a little bit about your background and the kind of

  18. work that you're already doing all the time, even outside from.

  19. Porch. Oh, awesome.

  20. Well, I'm Katie Jacobs. I'm originally from Saint

  21. Thomas, Virgin Islands, born and raised.

  22. I came to South Carolina to further my education so attended

  23. Clemson University. I received my bachelor's in

  24. psychology and also a bachelor's in elementary education.

  25. Later on I got my master's from Webster University in Greenville

  26. in human resource management and management and leadership.

  27. So I've been everything from a regular Ed teacher, special Ed

  28. teacher. I've worked with severely

  29. emotionally handicapped individual.

  30. So my whole life mission is to serve others, and I actually

  31. started the business, Anger Management of the Upstate as a

  32. result of working at a nonprofit.

  33. While I was there, people were calling in for classes to meet

  34. court order requirements and we were turning people away.

  35. And I realized people were being held in contempt of court for

  36. something they could not find. So I decided to go down to the

  37. solicitor's office here in Greenville County and asked what

  38. do I need to do to become a qualified provider and was told

  39. what the credentials were needed and experienced.

  40. I had that, but I needed to get certified in that specific area.

  41. So I went ahead and got my national certification and anger

  42. management. And then later on they reached

  43. back out to me and asked me what I expand to do domestic

  44. violence. So I added that as well.

  45. I'd already been certified doing parenting, so I had already been

  46. teaching those classes originally.

  47. The goal was to, you know, help solve a problem we saw here in

  48. our local community with the increase of violent crimes.

  49. Initially we're going to offer the classes from the courthouse,

  50. but of course COVID came. We were already offering the

  51. parenting there. And so I did a hard pivot and

  52. decided to just step out on faith and said, you know what,

  53. I'm going to find a brick and mortar and offer the classes

  54. from there. So literally from 20/19 to

  55. 20/21, it was a search and we're able to open the doors in August

  56. of 2021. And part of what I wanted to do

  57. was not just serve in the capacity of meeting court

  58. ordered requirements, but being able to serve in helping people

  59. to improve their quality of life and whatever opportunities

  60. presented themselves, you know, allowing just by faith to say,

  61. OK, I'm going to accept that opportunity, that challenge.

  62. And Fort Porch happens to be one of them.

  63. Yeah, well. Yeah.

  64. Tell us a little bit about that. How did you get involved with

  65. working at Front Portage or serving there?

  66. Well, I actually was had done a presentation with the Greenville

  67. Society of Human Resource Managers and someone heard me

  68. speak there and referred my name over.

  69. And so I had the pleasure of meeting Leanne Calvin and we had

  70. a meeting and she said this is some of the things we want to do

  71. within our ministry, helping our residents really transition and

  72. learn how to acclimate to communal living.

  73. And so I said sure. And of course, we started with a

  74. blank slate. Right.

  75. Sounds about right, yeah. So we, we came up with the name,

  76. talked about it and we said we'll call our workshops culture

  77. of kindness. And so we started developing

  78. topics that and of the issues that we know people normally

  79. have when you come into communal living, Never known about

  80. communal living, right? You know, just the common

  81. courtesies. So we started off with topics

  82. like nice neighboring. I mean, that might sound very

  83. simple, but having those topics of what it is like to just be

  84. considerate of others in shared spaces, right?

  85. And then we talked about topics like loving thy neighbor.

  86. Even for those who may not exercise a lot of the common

  87. courtesies. Sure.

  88. How do you practically do that to be supportive rather than

  89. judgmental? And then we expanded on a whole

  90. lot of other topics that as issues and concerns arised, we

  91. tackled. We've tackled topics, everything

  92. from a certain communication, how to be assertive, stating

  93. your position without being threatening, emotional

  94. intelligence, understanding, just not from your perspective,

  95. from other person's perspective, learning about how to understand

  96. self understanding, how you erase impacts, how you interact

  97. with others, what things affect you, how much does it affect

  98. you, how to reflect and use that as a, a, a platform to for

  99. growth, Having difficult conversations.

  100. I can go on and on. And a lot of the topics actually

  101. came from the residents participating in the classes and

  102. saying I want to learn more about this.

  103. Yeah, yeah, that's right. And that's so much of what Front

  104. Porch is doing is like you have this background, you have this

  105. way that God has given you skills and abilities and

  106. education and training. And a lot of that does just look

  107. like faithful obedience, Like let me hold out what the Lord

  108. has given me and let me steward that for the sake of someone

  109. else. What what has that experience

  110. been like for you, Just as you've been able to engage with

  111. our residents and walk them through some of these topics?

  112. It's been very interesting because the first class I was

  113. actually surprised. I can't believe it's over a year

  114. that I've started doing this. The class had all males in

  115. there, so that was kind of interesting.

  116. And here comes this female and it was, I was like, are they

  117. going to be really open to this? You know?

  118. But honestly, even though the session was scheduled for an

  119. hour and a half, how many of the residents stayed over just to

  120. have conversation? That was amazing to me and that

  121. they were more than just interested to me.

  122. It was like a little hunger there to know more to, OK, I'm

  123. there's nothing wrong with me. I'm just part of this growth

  124. process. And everybody's a different

  125. stage or phase in growth. So that has been very

  126. interesting. But what I think is most

  127. rewarding is when I attend and then somebody tells someone

  128. else, say you got to take that class, you got to come on.

  129. And having others join as a result of the encouragement of

  130. others. But also I think what's also

  131. rewarding when a situation is brought to my attention and

  132. people are open to say, do you mind assisting?

  133. Can we, there's maybe a a conflict with this particular

  134. apartment. Do you mind speaking with the

  135. residents? And whenever that opportunity is

  136. there, I just jump in and I meet with them.

  137. And I think with God's grace and mercy, really the fact that it

  138. does not matter what the age difference is, the gender

  139. difference is the cultural difference.

  140. For them to have an open air for somebody who I feel, I guess I

  141. can't call myself an outsider from outside the walls of your

  142. everyday daily activities to be open and receptive and then be

  143. willing to implement it. To me that's so rewarding

  144. because so many times when someone that appears to be from

  145. the outside of your community, whatever that is, many people

  146. are not very open and accepting, much less receiving from

  147. something from someone outside. So that has been amazing to me

  148. and the fact that they haven't tired of me yet.

  149. They haven't, I got tired. They still look forward to the

  150. classes every 3rd Saturday. Yeah, we really, we we have to

  151. brag on our residents Like they are committed, they are doing

  152. the work and yeah, they're coming in ready to receive, you

  153. know, whatever it is. Like they're just aware of the

  154. ways they need to grow and they're committed to working on

  155. those, You know, and it, it does just take a lot of courage, a

  156. lot of humility to do that. And to your point, I mean,

  157. depending on the situation that they may be coming from, you

  158. know, just experiencing hurt from other people.

  159. And it can be very difficult to trust someone from the outside.

  160. And in many cases, they they have learned to protect

  161. themselves by not trusting people.

  162. So for them to be in a space where they make a choice to step

  163. forward and to trust someone who's willing to speak in

  164. encourage on your part to say it, to speak in and to say truth

  165. and to help them. It is a two way St.

  166. And both sides are really leaning in towards one another

  167. to receive good things and to be able to move forward and grow.

  168. And that's why this works. But it's not easy.

  169. And we want to, we want to recognize all of that.

  170. What have been just some of the other wins and celebrations

  171. you've seen with some of our residents as they've gone

  172. through these classes and trainings?

  173. I'm thinking of 1 gentleman in particular.

  174. He was attended the first class ever that when I started the

  175. series and he would even every now and then send a text or

  176. e-mail saying I remember exactly.

  177. And he would quote and I'm thinking I can't even remember

  178. Rick verbatim. And you would bring that back to

  179. my remembrance and that you actually applying it.

  180. I think those are the real special moments that, you know,

  181. it makes a difference. But I think what also helps a

  182. lot for making a difference is showing humanity not coming in

  183. as I know it all, but sharing some of the challenges and

  184. struggles that I've had and how I'm sometimes in some things I'm

  185. still a work in progress and other things I've overcome.

  186. So speaking from that in that tone, I think also makes a

  187. difference for them, yeah. And what like a true experience

  188. of a teacher, you know, that you get to see your student really

  189. getting it and like applying it 'cause they can just regurgitate

  190. to you all day long. But when they're able to go and

  191. put that in their life and they're like, hmm, this worked

  192. really well. You know, like, that's a

  193. exciting moment. Those are the moments that

  194. teachers live for. But then, yeah, also for you to

  195. come as a student and to recognize we're still learning,

  196. like we never fully arrive. We're all still growing.

  197. And that just lends an approachability to our

  198. residents. And that's encouraging to them

  199. as they are continuing to pursue all of these things.

  200. But what do you think is just unique about this work that

  201. Front Porch is doing what they've taken on?

  202. I think it's highly unique in that it's one of the few places

  203. I've ever experienced that to me, ministry has legs.

  204. When I say it has legs, it's walking it, it's talking it.

  205. I've been in in places and spaces where you pray about it,

  206. but you know somebody else is going to do it.

  207. You might offer moments of time, donate money, but to actually

  208. take on the holistic approach of not only addressing problems

  209. that people everyday existence meeting the basic needs, but

  210. then assisting them in allowing them space and time to grow and

  211. develop. And when they get strong enough,

  212. giving them the launching pad to get there.

  213. Because to me, it has all the components.

  214. I've, I've participated in other organizations where you have

  215. portions of those things, but I've not been a part where you

  216. have it. From literally what I consider

  217. from the cradle to the grave, you have all components of it

  218. being there, being a part of not only giving you something, but

  219. being there to be supportive while you're there, right?

  220. So yeah, it's ministry with legs and I absolutely love it.

  221. Good yes no, that's a great way of saying it.

  222. Ministry with legs and even as we're just thinking about the,

  223. the parts of being, you know, or if it's the hierarchy of needs,

  224. whatever framework you want to use, that front porch is really

  225. working to meet the physical, the spiritual, mental,

  226. emotional, which is so much of the work that you're doing.

  227. And, and like, you do have to have all of those things.

  228. Like if we just hit one of them, that's really great and that's

  229. valuable, but then we're missing out on all of these other things

  230. 'cause we're whole beings, all of those things are always

  231. interconnected. And so you can't heal one part

  232. without healing the whole. And so, and you have to start

  233. somewhere, you know, you can't do all of it at once.

  234. And to your point, takes time. The way that this is set up is

  235. for our residents to have time to work through these things and

  236. to process them and to practice them.

  237. That is what contributes to their ability to succeed.

  238. And then just having support, like we keep using that word,

  239. but that they have people who are helping them, you know,

  240. because none of us get to where we are on our own, and we always

  241. need our community and friends to help us out so well.

  242. Katie, I'm just so thankful for the work that you're doing and

  243. just your willingness to be involved in this ministry.

  244. Really just the ways that you're being faithful again, with what

  245. the Lord has given you in this space.

  246. Is there anything else you wanted to say or talk about that

  247. we didn't get to? I just say, if nothing else, I

  248. hope Front Porch continues from years to come.

  249. I want to see 1015 years from now some of the former residents

  250. come back and become part of the culture of what Front porch is

  251. of the front porch of tomorrow. Yes, absolutely.

  252. Well, I can absolutely attest just the blessing that you have

  253. been to that community and that is always the goal is to have

  254. sustainable ministry. That's what we're working

  255. towards is that at some point this thing is just going to keep

  256. running itself. And so that you're just such a

  257. key part of all of that, that healed people, help heal other

  258. people. And that's, that's the good

  259. work. So thank you so much for being

  260. with us today. Thank you for having me.

  261. I'm here today with Savannah Robinson, who is a volunteer at

  262. Front Porch Housing. Savannah, thank you so much for

  263. joining us today. Of course.

  264. So go ahead and tell us a little bit, just what has been your

  265. experience serving at Front Porch?

  266. My experience has actually been really good overall.

  267. I work in the after school program, so I go from three to

  268. six once or twice a week and just get to hang out with the

  269. kids. And it's really, I think it's

  270. the fun part. Like we literally just hang out

  271. with the kids and play outside and help them do art and

  272. homework and I really just hang out.

  273. So it's been really great. The kids are all so sweet and

  274. fun and a little crazy, but they're good.

  275. It's fun, that's right. How did you get started to serve

  276. at Front Porch? So I went to Kenya over the

  277. summer and I really just had a want to keep serving with kids,

  278. I guess when I got back and Front Porch was kind of newish

  279. and I didn't really know much about it, but one of my friends

  280. was volunteering there every week.

  281. And so I decided I would try it since I'm a senior and I have

  282. lots of time. Yeah.

  283. So I just started going and that's how.

  284. Yeah, yeah. How it started.

  285. I just. Kept up with it.

  286. That's awesome. Yeah.

  287. What have just been like some of the wins and celebrations that

  288. you've gotten to see while you've been there?

  289. I definitely would say actually yesterday was a big win.

  290. All the kids were really just chill and no one was fighting.

  291. It was pretty outside. Like the days when the kids are

  292. really listening and attentive and you can just have a smooth,

  293. easygoing day was are always a win.

  294. And personally, when they started remembering my name,

  295. that was a big win for me because I remembered their name

  296. from day one. But like I had to keep showing

  297. up so they would remember mine. And it's just been cool to see

  298. that relationship with them grow.

  299. Yeah, 'cause how long have you been serving with them?

  300. Since September or maybe August. Probably September.

  301. Yeah, so definitely a few months at this point and there's so

  302. many serving roles like that is how you really get to build so

  303. much credibility and when favor with the kids especially because

  304. they're like, okay, we want to see somebody who is really

  305. invested in US and is here and I know that that means so much to

  306. them to like have a familiar face.

  307. Yeah. What is just unique about Front

  308. Porch and as you've been serving in childcare, how have you just

  309. seen some of that? I think for childcare, it's

  310. really cool what they do because it's a time for their parents to

  311. like get their house clean, to study for the school that

  312. they're in, to get work done and all the things.

  313. And also let the kids have another place to be that's not

  314. just their house and school. It's not just the same thing

  315. every day, but it gives them. They get to hang out with these

  316. other kids that are there and then they get to hang out with

  317. new faces 'cause there's different volunteers every day.

  318. So it's just fun for them. But I think it's cool that they

  319. have that for the kids so that they can for them have something

  320. else to do, but also the parents can get stuff done when they

  321. don't have kids running around everywhere.

  322. Yeah, absolutely. If you haven't had the chance to

  323. be at Front Porch, it's great. We have this big open courtyard

  324. and there truly are if, if the weather's good, there are kids

  325. outside and they are playing and they're having fun and it's

  326. really great for them. Just that they can be safe, that

  327. they can have fun and be supervised.

  328. But childcare is such a huge resource for parents that they

  329. are able to take that time to take care of other things once

  330. their kids are home from school and just know that somebody else

  331. is looking out for their kids and helping develop them,

  332. helping train them, helping them have fun, making sure that

  333. they're safe is just such a huge gift.

  334. So what has been? What has God been teaching you

  335. as you've been serving at Front Porch?

  336. I really think for me that I've always thought serving God means

  337. doing these big, huge things. Like I have a purpose and it is

  338. just this huge thing that I need to do.

  339. But when I started serving at Front Porch, it's not this big

  340. huge thing. It's just this sweet, simple

  341. thing of just showing up for these kids.

  342. And I feel like God has really been showing that in my heart

  343. that to serve him I can just love on these kids.

  344. And I'm serving these parents by just playing with their kids.

  345. Like it's not these big, huge things that we have to do.

  346. And I think it's cool that we get to love on these kids like

  347. Jesus loves on us because we're just kind of here and Jesus

  348. still loves us. And some of these kids, they're

  349. just here and we just get to come up and hang out with them

  350. and be a safe space for them. And that's just been one of the

  351. things that's been really evident, I guess, while I've

  352. been serving. And also just the joy that they

  353. have. It's very like that childlike

  354. faith, that childlike joy and getting to see that, especially

  355. being like in stressful, like times, I guess for me, college,

  356. like going away, all this stuff. But like these kids are also, I

  357. don't know, they could have stress, they could have anxiety,

  358. but they're still so happy and just joyful at all the little

  359. things. And it makes me want to have

  360. that too in my own life. Yeah.

  361. I love what you said that this is just kind of a small thing

  362. that you're just able to be consistent in.

  363. And I mean, it's really the case for a lot of serving roles.

  364. And I think what we would love to encourage everyone listening,

  365. we would love for people to get involved.

  366. And it can just look like small little things.

  367. Whatever it is for you, whatever space you have, whatever gifts

  368. and talents you have, you can just bring that to bear.

  369. And whether it's once a week or once every two weeks, once a

  370. month, just showing up and doing something small.

  371. And that is how God asks us to serve right as he's like, yeah,

  372. just be faithful with these little things that I've given

  373. you. And when all of that's put

  374. together, like he's doing a work, that's going to create

  375. movement and blessing upon people, upon front porch

  376. housing, upon our community. But all that happens just with

  377. people doing small things. Yeah.

  378. Why would you encourage other people to get involved and to

  379. come be a part of this? I definitely think it's very

  380. worth it for me. At the beginning it was hard to

  381. like want to show up and want to go 'cause sometimes 3 hours can

  382. seem like a lot with a bunch of little kids.

  383. But now I go and like, I want to be there and I want to hang out

  384. with him. And, but it's definitely just a

  385. way, an opportunity to serve God and see how he's moving up front

  386. porch because it's just cool. There's so many different

  387. varieties of people there and you just get to hear their

  388. stories and like where they're from, and it's just cool to be

  389. around all those people. And I would definitely encourage

  390. students and adults to do it because I served with both and

  391. we all love it. Hi, my name is Kevin Talley and

  392. this is my wife Mary and we attend the downtown campus.

  393. So we had visited and for us to come to Greenville, we had

  394. visited a couple times here. Mary has a younger sister with a

  395. family that we care a ton about that we had come to visit.

  396. And it's hard not to love everything about Greenville, but

  397. coming from Chicago, we really love the weather and just the

  398. kindness of of everyone here. So when COVID hit in 2020, we

  399. had just left here visiting to see if our youngest could go to

  400. Clemson University and see if we can somehow establish residency

  401. here, which that was out of the question.

  402. But it did allow us to fly back the first week of COVID and

  403. start packing our drawers and getting ready to sell our home.

  404. And we thought we would come here for about a year and just

  405. sort of try it out. And here we are.

  406. What we left in Illinois was a, you know, a decent sized home on

  407. some acreage that we took care of and we had a lot of fun stuff

  408. that we raised a family on. And we came here and moved into

  409. 1600 square feet. And that's where we lived for

  410. almost three years downtown and and we enjoyed it.

  411. I was able to put on some weight very successfully, but through

  412. all the restaurants and we got near the end of that second

  413. lease and we had had a couple conversations with people over

  414. at Front Porch that said, you know what, you guys ever think

  415. about helping us just maybe encourage the people with their

  416. finances. And we went over there and we

  417. just, they didn't know what they were going to do.

  418. We had no idea what we were going to do.

  419. But they were just like, what if you just meet with them and hear

  420. where they're at financially? And so we did that and several

  421. weeks later when our lease was up, I came home one day and I

  422. said, Mary, if we're going to jump in over there.

  423. And at this time we had started coaching, I don't know several

  424. people, we're nearing double digits at that point.

  425. And we're like, well, if we're going to be over there coaching,

  426. why don't we, instead of renewing this lease, why don't

  427. we see if they would let us move in so that we could be more

  428. engaged in the community? And, and, and just getting to

  429. know everything that goes on over there, all the different

  430. ministries that go on, all the volunteers, all the staff, all,

  431. all the, just, all the people that come in, in and out of

  432. there all the time. And it just allowed us to to

  433. learn things a lot quicker than if we would have just been

  434. coming in a day or so a week volunteering.

  435. We were really drawn to Front Porch because in our mind it was

  436. the closest thing to the church here in Greenville or anywhere

  437. really, just everyone supporting one another and loving each

  438. other right where they're at, meeting them, where they're at,

  439. and just helping them take the next step.

  440. And so we were really encouraged by what we saw throughout that

  441. entire ministry. But we did feel like we had some

  442. experience with financial coaching and credit building

  443. that we could potentially offer a hand there.

  444. So as we started to coach more and more people, we really saw a

  445. need that they're to duplicate ourselves and to find other

  446. people who are passionate and committed to, to really dig in

  447. with us and start standardizing a process to coach these

  448. residents along from the point that we met them until the time

  449. they were ready to transition to their next home.

  450. And I think it's a huge step for the residents, too.

  451. I mean, most of them are coming out of some kind of trauma and

  452. for them to open up their lives to us takes a ton.

  453. And it's not about a math equation.

  454. It's not a really about finances.

  455. It's just about walking alongside someone and

  456. encouraging them where maybe they didn't have that

  457. encouragement from anywhere else in their life.

  458. But you know, they come. Many residents come from other

  459. awesome programs that are getting people back on their

  460. feet and those ministries are are laying that groundwork and

  461. planting the seeds and, and we don't know, did did Miracle Hill

  462. plant the seed? Did did one of the coaches at

  463. front Porch plant the seed? But that's all that's all we're

  464. doing with our faith, right? We sometimes don't see the

  465. blossom. We just, we plant the seed and

  466. just give someone. I think what we heard a couple

  467. weeks ago in church is it give them, give them hope because

  468. that's what regardless of what station people are in life, to,

  469. to, to give them hope. And part of that hope is having

  470. financial hope that they can see themselves going back into

  471. society and, and surviving instead of having to return to

  472. maybe the elements that created some of the problems that

  473. started maybe a downward trajectory at some point.

  474. But they've given more to us than we've given to them by far.

  475. Once you start pouring into someone, there's probably

  476. nothing more rewarding in life than to than to to pour into

  477. them, because then that makes us want to grow more in our faith.

  478. And as we grow more in our faith and we want to serve more.

  479. And that's the kind of good things that snowball.

  480. One, one of the coolest things that we're seeing right now is

  481. as we have graduates and seeing people have success, we're

  482. having them come back and give their testimonies, not just

  483. their faith ride, but their financial.

  484. And we just had our first one and it was I mean, it's amazing.

  485. That's, that's someone that's when they enter, they can't look

  486. you in the eye. They don't want to talk about

  487. anything. They don't trust another human

  488. being. We didn't coach them.

  489. Someone else coached them. Just took a little bit of tidbit

  490. from them. And she, she got in that

  491. classroom and spoke to 13 other residents and you could have

  492. heard a pin drop and you couldn't have written a better

  493. script for what she wrote or what she said when she just

  494. shared from the heart. And it's it.

  495. She has more than hope now. She has a plan.

  496. It's just that's, that's, that's the most rewarding part.

  497. And it's even more rewarding to us when it's not, well, none of

  498. This Is Us. This is all God, but we never

  499. want to take credit for, Oh, like we coached this for.

  500. It's so many other volunteers, not just from grace, even other

  501. churches now that are signing up to coach these people, the, the

  502. residents. And a lot of them sign up

  503. because they have a financial background, because they think,

  504. oh, this is in my wheelhouse. That's 10% of what we do and

  505. that's what they realize. If someone would have told me

  506. five years ago I'd be praying in public, let alone praying with

  507. other strangers, I would have said, no, you got me mixed up

  508. with someone else. I would have never done that.

  509. And that's really all we ask is for someone to volunteer, pass

  510. the background check, be willing to pray with them and encourage

  511. them and meet with them. That's that's that's really the

  512. only requirement. We are both prone to be self

  513. reliant and so we have, we, we went to Front Porch thinking we

  514. had a plan in place that this is going to work.

  515. We can do this and that and get an app and plug them into that

  516. and it'll all be great and they'll just be off and running.

  517. And God has slowly shown us that we are not capable and we are

  518. not equipped and we don't have the experience to do what it

  519. takes to really break into this world with someone with their

  520. finances was just such a personal part of your life.

  521. And so he has really been working on us with that, I

  522. believe, because we want to plan, we want to be in control,

  523. we want to know what's going to happen from A-Z and everything

  524. in between. But He's taught us that our

  525. availability is much greater than our ability.

  526. And so if we just take a step and we're called to be obedient

  527. and available and faithful and to to seek him when we're doing

  528. these kind of things, and then he shows up in a big way and

  529. it's totally different than what we thought, but it's so much

  530. better. So I think we're learning that

  531. to be less self reliant and more God reliant and that being God

  532. reliant is a lot less stressful. So I think that's what I've

  533. taken from the last 10 to 12 months.

  534. I I had a lot of changes to do because I was my picture was

  535. next to self reliant in the dictionary.

  536. But more so than even self reliant, just my entire identity

  537. was tied up and having graduated from West Point, being a

  538. business owner, being an athlete, being all these other a

  539. parent, a volunteer running all these different things that we

  540. always just because we were sort of go getters type A, we went

  541. out and volunteered for all those things.

  542. And when people ask me, oh, what's your favorite Bible

  543. verse? I can Oh yeah, Philippians 413.

  544. I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me.

  545. But if you were looking at a picture on the wall that would

  546. have looked like me out front with I'm really important in the

  547. front of my chest with God being like this wind behind me.

  548. And at the age of 54, I lost a job.

  549. And it's harder when you're 54 to lose a job.

  550. And I hit rock bottom very quickly and wasn't totally

  551. devastating. It was devastating to my ego And

  552. I had a choice to make. And I I got with some guys a

  553. little older than me that were way ahead of me in faith.

  554. Started started in a Bible study and stuff.

  555. And then if you could change that picture.

  556. Now I see him out front and we're blessed to have had all

  557. these experiences that we hope that we can use those

  558. effectively to just maybe through God's word to speak to

  559. those people and say, you know what, you know, we've been

  560. there. We've we've been through some

  561. really incredibly traumatic things, but they don't define

  562. us. The good things no longer define

  563. us any more than the, the bad things, the hurtful things that

  564. have happened to us because our identity, our identity isn't one

  565. thing. And that's refreshing.

  566. And that's where we, we want to spend our time.

  567. You know, when I lost my job, I was 54, I thought, well, my life

  568. might be almost half over at 54, so I better get straight.

  569. So that was a big, that was probably the start of all this

  570. for me. But that's, that's what we're

  571. asking for humility and, and guidance.

  572. And we have met so many incredible examples.

  573. We can't use names because we'd leave someone out, but there's

  574. people way beyond us that have been serving for 30-40 years at

  575. a pace that I'm not sure we could ever do.

  576. And they're, they're rewarding to be around because you know

  577. what? They never talk about what about

  578. them? They're talking about who

  579. they're pouring into. Moving into front porch was just

  580. an act of obedience. We've never, ever described it

  581. as making a sacrifice. We were already living in 1200

  582. square feet. The only thing I lost was my

  583. patio with a grill. And if I really wanted to do

  584. that, I could arrange to get the grill from the clubhouse.

  585. We never looked at it as a sacrifice.

  586. We looked at it as an opportunity to do something a

  587. little bit more intentionally and to be completely sometimes

  588. submerged into into the community there because it it

  589. is, it's it's messy, it's not perfect.

  590. It's it's all the things that but, but there's just so many

  591. people over there pouring their hearts in into others that their

  592. their lives are changed. And that's that's where the word

  593. gets out. But also the word gets out When,

  594. when a when a couple residents that we could write a book

  595. already just on the the the experiences we've had and the

  596. other coaches have had with you don't know when you meet

  597. someone. I mean, it's, it's super clear

  598. over there that no one has status.

  599. The only status that we share is that we're children of God.

  600. Because whether you live on the 1st floor or third floor, you

  601. still live in the same building. So it's not any of the things of

  602. this world that we're competing on.

  603. We're just trying to be saved and we're trying to get our

  604. finances straight. And there's a lot of that going

  605. on in the real world too. But what we found that made what

  606. all the coaching over there has done, the residents are much

  607. more open and honest and vulnerable with with us than

  608. perhaps what most of the people in society and at the normal

  609. campuses are. And it's just so much easier.

  610. If someone comes to you and says, this is this is where I'm

  611. at, is there any way that I can get to that point?

  612. And then they've never had a positive balance in their

  613. checking account all their life. And now they're coming to you

  614. with a 724 credit score, they've given up some of the vices in

  615. their life and they have two or $3000 in their savings account.

  616. That's that is life changing for all involved.

  617. I think something really attractive about being involved

  618. at Front Porch is just the genuine relationships that you

  619. develop. I would much rather sit on a

  620. bench in the common area with someone who's going to be

  621. completely honest and genuine and real with me that I would

  622. anywhere else in the world. And we've been able to develop

  623. some really meaningful friendships where we're praying

  624. for one another and we're encouraging one another.

  625. And they're asking what's going on in our life just as much as

  626. we're looking to see what's going on in theirs.

  627. And that's really refreshing. And I think that's relationships

  628. are what matter in this world, not the things, not where you

  629. live, the car you drive. It's those genuine relationships

  630. where I know that I could reach out to any of a number of

  631. residents that we've coached that are now our friends and

  632. they would be there for me. And I'm hoping that I can always

  633. be be there for them, whether that's while they're in the

  634. program or long after they leave.

  635. We hope you have enjoyed this three-part podcast featuring

  636. stories of those that work, live, and serve at Front Porch.

  637. Why did we share this with you? Well, we unashamedly do not want

  638. you to miss out on the ministry that is happening there.

  639. In addition, Front Porch Housing is a nonprofit organization that

  640. needs the support of the entire community, not just Grace

  641. Church, to be successful. Churches and businesses have

  642. partnered, but we need many more to effectively serve the 400 on

  643. site residents. So will you do us a favor and

  644. share these stories? If you were interested in

  645. volunteering, please visit the website or grab a few friends

  646. and coworkers and come for a tour.

  647. Visit Inspire Coffee in the Clubhouse and soak up all the

  648. energy of Front Porch. And as you have heard many

  649. times, housing is just the beginning of holistic care.

  650. The supportive services offered to each individual and family

  651. are costly. Residents pay their rent and

  652. utilities, but monthly donors are critical to the continued

  653. success of the program. Your monthly donation of 25, a

  654. hundred, $250, or anywhere in between will help cover

  655. counseling, transportation costs, health services, and so

  656. much more. Giving online is easy at Front

  657. Porch, housing.org, back slash Give.

  658. Please check the show notes for all these resources and more.

  659. And a special thanks to our producer, Whitney Manus, for

  660. these interviews. We'll see you again soon on the

  661. Grace Church Podcast.