003 Jude Pt 1

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Draweth Nigh. Welcome, Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to the program. We

are your host, Leonard Oliverez and Matthew Millard. Tonight we've got a special

topic that Leonard has been studying apart from me. So he's been looking at

the Book of Jude, which is it is most appropriate and it is most

perfectly put right before the Book of Revelation, as it should be because it

speaks to things that are going down live and in real time in the church

today. This is really what is happening. This is really what's going on.

So Leonard, why don't you jump on here and give us, you

know, give us a little history here. How long have you been studying

Jude? In what format? Have you been studying it? All the good

stuff? What's what's been going on here lately? So you know, I've

been talking to a pastor here what I know where I live, and I

was just challenging him that study the word not to show that you know more,

I know more, and so that it can activate something within us,

you know, to see what the spirit of God is showing them and showing

me, and we can bring it together so it can be like an irony

sharpening iron and type of deal. And uh so I said, just pick

whatever book, whatever you know, chapter doesn't matter, and he said this,

dude, Jude. So as I begin to read, Jude, just

all this stuff started like popping in my mind as I've been, you know,

going through each of the verses, just all the stuff God was bringing

back to my remembrance of the Old Testament, because you know, God always

leads you back to what's happened before, always, man always, And I

also was taken back to that second Peter. Chapter two is like it's like

almost an exact picture of this of this book, you know, it's it's

it's almost exact, you know, of what they're talking about. And just

seeing that how this each part, because they're broken up in parts, each

part just takes you somewhere else. And it's it's just so much, you

know, and but it speaks for of what's going on today. I mean

most definitely it speaks, it expeaks, it speaks about that. So,

uh, I just that's why I was talking to you, Matthew, And

I just want to do this study just to get a clearer perspective on uh

and what how you see it, you know, and uh, to go

through this. I think it's important, man, I think this is all

God's word is important. But this just you know, I mean, this

just rapid fires back and forth. Man, It's it's pretty crazy. Yes,

it's it's very rapid fire. It's very very direct, very to the

point. And the book is very concerned with heretics. Let's just I need

to use the proper phraseology. Jude is extremely concerned for Christians that are inside

of churches that have heretics all around them. That's the problem with this book.

And Jude is addressing the Christians inside the scenarios, and he talks about

some pretty disturbing things here. He well, because this is such a short,

short book. I mean, it's only twenty five verses long. It's

blunt. You can't get any blunter than it is here. And there's things

stated here that well are kind of kind of the worst verses in the whole

Bible. For a great deal of many heretics today, which are known as

Antiinomians. They also go by the manter of free grace. They literally say,

you just continue to sin, you pillage your way into the Kingdom of

heaven. That's literally what they preach. And this is all over just about

every denomination you could go to, because this is a pastor by pastor thing

here in verse four, this is one of the most hated verses because it

comes out and says that they that these free gracers, and this is where

this is built upon. These ungodly persons turn to grace of our God into

well. Certain translations have different words for this. The English Standard version has

sensuality here. Some versions of the KJV has a lasciviousness. The New American

Standard Bible uses a different word. But this word is not new to the

Hellenic It's not the only time it's in the Bible is just here. It's

used in other places too, But in those other places they switch up the

words that you can't see it, and that is very upsetting to some people,

and most appropriately, it's very upsetting to me. But I know that

this word here for sensuality or deliciousness. It's actually in the New Testament nine

times. You can't hide it from me because I'm not looking at the English.

I look at the Greek. That's what I look at. So it's

very upsetting. Uh. You know, I've got to say this verse four

is probably the most unpopular verse in the modern church. And that's just that's

just the way it is. So how long have you been studying Jude with

this this pastor just for about a week and a half, And how much

have you gleaned in a week and a half? Well, I, I

you know, I've so when he brought it up and I began to read

it, I just right away I started sewing my son and that day he

came in and uh, he was like, Dad, you know, it's

crazy that you brought that up. Me and my wife were just reading that

like literally ten minutes before we came over here. You know, they were

at the park reading that together. The Lord put in his heart to read

that, and I just was telling him, yeah, you know, this

is this is what God had chose chosen us for us to read. And

uh, you know a lot of things that have been going through that.

I mean, like I was telling you, Matthew, like the first one

is uh, Kora's rebellion. How this it mentions Kora's rebellion, you know,

within these chapters, I mean, within these verses, and how I

went back to looking at Koru's rebellion and you know, just seeing the type

of people who they were, And how I told you about how that word

for princess or those leaders also can be translated as clouds. And I was

telling you how improverbs it says they are clouds without water. And if you

look a couple of verses down, it mentions that exact almost the exact wording.

I you, how does that set with you? I mean, what

does that really mean to you? Because I know what it means to me.

Yeah, it's just men without the spirit of God. And you know

that's kind of harsh for you to say that, but you're getting that from

the book of Genesis, right, Genesis chapter one, right. I mean,

this is what made all this work. Ladies and gentlemen. I appreciate

that you think in your mind that we're all alive because of physics. No

we're not. I mean, it's nice that our planet lies within the habitable

zone that goldilocks distance from our star, but that's not true. What is

true. Is this the Bible, God's Holy Word says that in the beginning,

the spirit of the Living God moved upon the surface of the water.

That's where your paradigm needs to be. If you're a God fearing, Bible

believing, Gospel preaching Christian, your paradigm, your cosmology is derived from Genesis

chapter one. So when the Bible comes out and Juden says they are clouds

without water, you know you've got a serious problem. These people are not

what they say they are. And that's what Jude says. In so many

different ways. It's kind of crazy. They are. Boy. You know,

there is a fine line today between many many denominations of churches we have.

There are many denominations that believe that because they were baptized as a child,

they are automatically Christians by nature and they are going to heaven and they

literally live out their lives doing whatever they want. And they firmly believe their

mother told them this, their dad told him this, their grandpa told them.

No, you were baptized into the church when you were two weeks old.

You're part of our church. You're going to heaven no matter what.

And I'm speaking to those people right now. If you are just living Christianity

by the numbers, if you're just going by the book, that is not

enough. You are not going to be satisfying to the Lord your God without

the injection, without the implementation of His Holy Spirit, period period. If

you don't know that, if you don't understand it, it's because you have

not taken time to read a New Testament yourself. Because it says that everywhere.

It literally says it everywhere. First John three point ten says it very

adequately. It does not take a rocket scientist to tell who are the children

of God and who are not. It's those people who continue to live in

their sin. So just don't work, clear, Leonard. If there's a

kleptomaniac out there somewhere, he literally cannot help but steal. The Lord Jesus

Christ can save you, and he can save you from theft. Yes he

can. I'm going to give you example because I have and knowledge, because

I volunteered at a homeless shelter shepherd community. I guarantee you we categorically recorded

this that the Lord Jesus Christ saved many alcoholics from alcohol. Yes, yes

he did. There were many prostitutes there that I helped. This is a

fact. The Lord Jesus Christ saved them from prostitution. Now they don't do

that anymore. So the Lord Jesus Christ can empower you through his Holy Spirit

and save you from anything. Leonard, I don't care what you're doing.

And if someone is singing to a different tune, they're not carrying a tune.

They're barking like a dog. So everybody needs to realize that before you

read the Book of Jude, that this is directed towards poor Christians. They're

in Baptist churches, and they're in Methodist churches, they're in Catholic churches,

they're in Episcopalian churches, and they're surrounded by heretics. That's what he's talking

about. That's the message of Jude. If you don't understand that, you

don't understand anything of value. Because if you do not understand anything that will

save your soul from the fires of hell, you're wasting your time. I

don't care if you're a rocket scientist. I don't care if you're a musician.

None of that matters. When this place burns, and it is going

to burn. Are we going to read these to verses, Leonard, or

you just want to talk about them verse by verse. We can go ahead

and read the whole chapter, and then we can go through the verse by

verse. Would you like to read it or you want me to. I

like the way you read, so I'd like to. I would like you

for you to read it. Of course, we're going to be reading out

of the New American Standard Bible, the nineteen ninety five Update. Jude A

bond servant of Jesus Christ and brother of James. To those who are cold

beloved in God the Father and kept for Jesus Christ, be mercy and peace

and love be multiplied to you, beloved. While I was making every effort

to write to you about our common salvation, I felt the necessity to write

to you appealing that you can tend earnestly for the faith which was once for

all handed down to all the saints. For certain persons have crept in unnoticed,

those who were long beforehand marked out for this condemnation, ungodly persons who

turned the grace of God into luiciousness, and deny our only Master and Lord,

Jesus Christ. Now I desire to remind you, though you know all

things once for all that the Lord, after saving the people out of the

land of Egypt, subsequently destroyed those who did not believe, and angels who

did not keep their own domain but abandoned their proper abode. He has kept

in eternal bonds under darkness for judgment for the great day justice Sodom and Gomorrah

and the cities around them, Since they, in the same way as these

indulged in gross im morality, and when after strange flesh are exhibited as an

example and undergoing the punishment of eternal fire. Yet in the same way these

men, also by dreaming, defile the flesh, and reject authority, and

revile angelic majesties. But Michael, the archangel, when he disputed with the

devil and argued about the body of Moses, did not dare pronounce against him.

A railing judgment be said, the Lord rebuke you. But these men

revile the things which they do not understand, and the things they know by

instinct, like unreasoning animals. By these things they are destroyed. Woe to

them, for they have gone the way of pain, and for pay.

They have rushed headlong into the air of belum and perished in the rebellion of

Karrah. These men who are hidden reefs in your feast, when they feed

with you without fear, erring for themselves, clouds without water, carried along

by winds, often trees without fruit, doubly dead, uprooted, wild waves

of the sea, casting up their own famelike foam, wandering stars for whom

the black darkness has been reserved forever. It was also about these men that

in It the seventh generation from Adam prophesied, saying, behold, the Lord

come with many thousands of his holy ones, to execute judgment upon all,

and to convict all the ungodly of all their ungodly deeds, which they have

done in an ungodly way, and for all the harsh things which ungodly sinners

have spoken against him. These are grumblers finding fault following after their own lust.

They speak arrogantly, flattering people for the sake of gaining advantage. But

you, beloved, ought to remember the words that were spoken beforehand by the

apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ, that they were saying to you. In

the last time, there will be mockers following after their own ungodly lust.

These are the ones who caused divisions, worldly minded, devoid of the spirit.

But you, beloved, building yourselves up in the most holy faith,

praying in the Holy Spirit, keep yourselves in the love of God, waiting

anxiously for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to eternal lives. And have

mercy on some who are doubting, save others, snatching them out of the

fire. And some have mercy with fear, hating even the garment polluted by

the flesh. Now to him who is able to keep you from stumbling,

and to make you stand in the presence of His glory blameless with great joy,

God, our Savior, through Jesus Christ, our Lord, be glory,

majesty, dominion, and authority before all time and now and forever.

Amen, Leonard, your thoughts, I mean, that's a whole lot.

That's a whole lot, man, you know. I mean it is really

pretty self explanatory, but you know, I just want to dig dig into.

Uh. It's just a warning, you know, it's a warning to

all believe. You know, God is warning us and we all need to

take key to this morning. I mean, that's that's my first thought,

is we need to take key to this morning. Well, yeah, this

is pretty harsh that. You know, many people get caught up in the

details, right, but this is what he's doing. He's categorically saying that,

look, there's this bunch of people. Okay, they were all delivered

from Egypt, right, they was all delivered from Egypt. I guess what

the ones of them that didn't believe, they didn't make it. They died,

They never made it to the promised Lam. God killed them, Yes

he did, Yes he did. Not only that, he says here that

even the angels that did not keep their proper place, they're dude. Let

let me say that a more pronounced way, they're damn. And he just

keeps going through and giving you examples that. Look, if you are a

Christian, if you are inside of God through the Lord Jesus Christ, you

better toe the line. I don't know what other better way to put it.

Because if you think you're above God's law, your death, because even

the devil himself knows better than that. And that's really what this is saying.

You know, Matthew was wondering if you can read a tewod Peter chapter

two, which which part the whole thing, the whole thing all right,

I'm sure we can do that. Second Peter, chapter two, once again

from the New American Standard Bible nineteen ninety five update. But false prophets also

arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you,

who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the master who bought them,

bringing swift destruction upon themselves. Many will follow their sensuality. Yes here

we're speaking in the along the same lines. I'm sorry I interrupt in God's

word. Let me start getting Many will follow their sensuality, and because of

them, the way of the truth will be maligned. And they are agreed.

They will exploit you with false words. Their judgment from long ago is

not idle, and their destruction is not asleep. For if God did not

spare the angels when they send, but cast them into hell and committed them

to bits of darkness reserved for judgment, and did not spare the ancient world,

but preserved Noah, a preacher of righteousness, with seven others, when

he brought a flood upon the world of the ungodly, And if he condemned

the cities of Sodom and Gomorah to destruction by reducing them to ashes, having

made them an example to those who would live ungodly lives thereafter. And if

he rescued righteous low oppressed by the sensual conduct of unprincipled men, for by

what he saw and heard that righteous man, while living among them, felt

his righteous soul tormented day after day by their lordless deeds, then the Lord

knows how to rescue the godly from temptation, and to keep thee unrighteous under

judgment for the day of judgment. And especially those who indulge the flesh in

its corrupt desires and despise authority. Daring self willed, they do not tremble

when they were vilentelic majesties, whereas angels, who are greater in might and

power, do not bring a rail in judgment against them before the Lord.

But these like on reasoning animals, born like creatures of instinct, to be

captured and killed or evioling where they have no knowledge, will destruction of those,

and creatures will be destroyed, suffering wrong as the wages of doing wrong.

They count it pleasure to revel in the daytime. They are stains and

blemishes, reveling in their deceptions, and they rouse with you, having eyes

full of adultery, but never cease from sin, enticing unstable souls, having

a heart tainted in greed. A curse children for staking the right way.

They have gone astray, having followed the way of Blam, the son of

Bore, who loved the wages of unrighteousness. But he received a rebuke for

his own transgression, for a mute donkey speaking with the voice of a man

restrained the madness of the prophet. These are springs without water and misdriven a

storm, for whom the blackest darkness has been reserved. Or for speaking out

arrogant words of vanity. They enticed by fleshly desires, by sensuality, those

who barely escape from the ones who live in air, promising them freedom,

while they themselves are slaves of corruption. For by what a man is overcome

by this? He has explained. For if after they have escaped that the

violence of the world, by the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ,

they are again entangled in them and are overcome, the last state has

become worse for them than the first. For it would be better for them

not to have known the way of righteousness than to having noted turn away from

the holy commandment handed onto them, it has happened to them. According to

the true proverb, a dove returns to its own vomit, and a soal,

after washing returns to wallowing in the mire glittered your thoughts. Yeah,

so I just noticed that, you know, reading those two chapters, they're

similar, you know, and some of the stuff they're saying about the old

world, about the you know, sodom, and about these people you know,

they're like clouds without water, but it uses it in a different way,

says it the same, but in a different way, you know.

To me, when I read that, I thought, you know, I've

never noticed that before. How these two you know, uh, the Stort

you know, chapters are pretty almost similar, you know. It just it

just was amazing to me as I was reading it, and how I was

tooking there, and just what the Lord was showing me with those you know,

giving me more detailed you know, about what's going on in Jude.

Just thought that was interesting. Yes, It's almost just like you could consider

this two witnesses, right, you know, exegetically we could, I mean,

we could literally tear these two chapters apart and literally they're saying the exact

same thing they have. They have similar examples, similar phraseology, and they're

both ringing true with the same exact messages. We who are Christians need to

be very, very weary of these people because they are infallibly in our midst.

So these two chapters, you could say that Second Peter, Chapter two

and Jude are like the Gospels literally, you know, literally you have four

witnesses with the Gospels, many of them have the exact same events in them,

and they're basically witnesses one to another. That's really what these two chapters

are. There are two witnesses to the same exact facts, mentions the same

exact thing, mentions them in the same exact ways. And one thing's for

sure. It screened this message that you cannot follow your senses. That's what

this Greek word really is pointing to this. You know, here you have

this several times that uses different different forms of the word sense as in sensuality.

That's what I'm reasoning animals doing. It just came right out and said

it. If you follow after your senses and your sensuality, you're nothing more

than a dog or a pig. That's what it said, Now, Jude

was more to the point in pointing out to you that look, you're supposed

to be filled with the spirit, and it's the spirit that's going to lead

you. But if you know these things and you continue in your sin and

proclaim this gospel of free grace, you have no hope. It just said

your current predicament is worse than it was before you were saved. And there's

no easy way to say that message. But this is exactly what has transpired

in the church today. I mean, these people are completely disconnected from God

through Jesus Christ and that connection, the connection between the two is the Holy

Spirit, and they're void of it. I mean, you know, Leonard,

a very hard topic. There's phraseology out there today that a spirit spirit

feeled Christian. Right, You've you've heard that phraseology before write letter. Yes,

I have sorry, had you on mute, I had myself on me.

So let me ask you directly. I know this is an uncomfortable question,

but we need to do it. So what's a Christian that's not spirit

filled? What's a Christian that's not Well, every every Christian should be spirit

filled, because as soon as you repent of your sins and ask Christ into

your heart. The Spirit of God resides in you. Now, if we're

talking about like some of these churches that say that if you don't speak in

tongues, you're not filled with the spirit, then I don't know. I

mean, I thought the Spirit of God fills you once He comes into you.

I mean that's my understanding of that. Okay, let's talk about some

of these denominations that, uh, well, you're baptized into the church when

you're an infant, usually sometime in the first two or three weeks you know

that you're born, and uh they're a member of the church. Yeah,

that isn't that doesn't make you a Christian. Being just baptized and all these

things that we do symbolically doesn't make us Christians, you know, or even

if we're speaking in an unknown tongue, because I remember growing up and seeing

that always kind of struck me as weird or where these people are speaking in

tongues, but they're like living like a life of a complete opposite than what

it was in church, like living like the straight world. And as soon

as they come on Sunday, they're just like speaking in tongues and filled with

the spirit. But my day through Friday. They're filled with the world.

And it always struck me as odd. Really, it struck you as odd.

It did as a child. And when I would see that, it

struck me as odd. Well, it didn't strike me odd as a child.

It struck me as fake. I mean, I don't have a problem

saying it. A Christian doesn't play a game. A Christian's not an actor

on Sunday. You're a Christian seven days a week, fifty two weeks out

of the year, or you're not. You're one of the other. And

that's what these two chapters screamed. You're one of the other. That's it.

You know, it is imperative that people know this, that there are

many chapters in the Bible that talks about the gifts of the spirit. Right,

yes, sir, I mean we could jump over to Oh, Romans

chapter eight. Right, it's pretty thorough in its delivery that if you're a

Christian and you're filled with the spirit, things are going to happen. Okay,

just a case in point verse nine. Here, write this down,

ladies, jentlemen, Romans chapter eight, Verse nine. However, you are

not in the flesh, but in the spirit. If Indeed, the spirit

of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the spirit of

Christ, he does not belong to him. Did everybody hear that? Because

that's what God meant that, That's what he meant. Verse ten. If

Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet

the spirit is alive because of righteousness. But if the spirit of Him who

raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised Christ Jesus from

the dead, will also give you life to your mortal bodies through his spirit

who dwells in you. I mean, that doesn't take a doctorate degree to

figure out, does it, Leonard? It's pretty plain to the desk.

Yeah, it's pretty simple. It is extremely simple. So ladies and gentlemen,

you need to read these. Look, this is what's going to happen

to a Christian. Okay, hearken to my voice, Leonard, when you're

a Christian. I don't care how that happens, ladies and gentlemen, but

this is what's going to happen. I mean, I understand that you might

be in a denomination that does this. You were baptized when you were an

infant, so they put you on the roster to the church. And now

you remember the church and you think you're saved. I'm saying you're going to

have to have an experience and Christianity and Jesus Christ is very personal. He's

very alive, and he's very real. And when you experience any him,

you're going to change. And this is what these verses are going to say.

Romans, Chapter nine, verse twenty eight. I'll just read a few.

And we know that God causes all things to work together for the good

to those who loved God, to those who were called according to his purpose.

Now listen, listen, for those who he foreknew, He also predestined

to become conformed to the image of his son, so that he would be

the first born among many brethren. And these whom he predestined, he also

called. And these whom he called, he also justified. And these whom

he justified, he also glorified, ladies and gentlemen. I'm just going to

ask Leonard a series of questions. Was the Lord Jesus Christ and alcoholic?

Leonard? No, did the Lord Jesus Christ indulge in pornography? No?

Was the Lord Jesus Christ a thief? No, okay, So I need

you to know something, Leonard. I can't follow you around twenty four hours

a day, but I'm here to tell you that whatever problem you have,

I don't know. Maybe you smoke marijuana, I don't know. I don't

care. Maybe you have a problem with lying to your wife. I don't

care. I'm telling you categorically that the Holy Spirit will make you conform to

the Lord Jesus Christ. Would the Lord Jesus Christ, would he lie to

your wife? Leonard? No, the Lord Jesus Christ via the Holy Spirit

is going to save you from whatever sins you're doing, Leonard. Yes,

he is, amen. I have meant and worked with many ex heroin addict

Slinard. Have you ever been around somebody who was addicted to heroin? Yes?

How pretty is that? That's not pretty at all? Is it easy

to get away from that addiction? No? Well, I hate to rent

on your party. I could give you a grand introduction to more than a

few people that the Lord Jesus Christ empowered and saved them from heroin. I'm

telling you the truth. Well, yeah, but you can't do it on

your own symposims. No, you, I've seen people overdosed and died a

couple times and still stuck the needle in their arm, knowing that they've died

like three different times. Yeah, by yourself. No, with Christ,

of course, he's the only one that can do that. He is the

only one that can do that. And he not only does, he has

done it, ladies and gentlemen, he has done it. And everybody needs

to know this. So really everybody needs to write down a couple of things.

Write this down, ladies and gentlemen. Antiinomianism, it's lawlessness. I

mean, most Christians know about the real popular man of lawlessness. Right,

Well, that's what it means, living free from God's law. People blow

me away when they'll ask me, you know, Jesus said, you know,

if you love me, keep my commandments right, And they have no

idea what commandments are literally Jesus'. And it blows me away. Then how

can you not know that? I mean, ladies and gentlemen, I'm going

to quote the Lord Jesus Christ himself. But if I cast out demons by

the finger of God, then the Kingdom of God has come upon you.

Why did I say that? Because I know Deuteronomy chapter nine, verse ten,

the Lord gave me two tablets of stone written by the finger of God.

Okay, so wake up. Don't think you can outthink me. When

it comes to the Hebraic law. Oh wh I know all six hundred and

thirteen laws. But God said something different here. The Ten Commandments he wrote

with his finger, and the Lord Jesus Christ declared himself to be in Luke

chapter eleven, verse twenty. I mean, I know it right off the

top of my head. He called himself the finger of God. So if

you're wondering about what did Jesus mean by that, if you love me,

keep my commandments. He's talking about the Ten Commandments. Let me say that

one more time. Write this down so you get it right. The Bible

God's hold me word says in Deuteronomy chapter nine, verse ten that he wrote

the Ten Commandments on two tablets with his finger. The Lord Jesus Christ declare

himself to be that finger in Luke chapter eleven, verse twenty. And if

you're an Antiinomian, well that means you are what you do. Leonard your

thoughts. I agree, you know, that's what I was telling this Muslim

man and this other guy that that I was training He was saying that.

The first guy, his name was Ben, and he was telling me that,

you know, I was telling him about Christ and the greatest gift he

can give his daughter is to gift the salvation and teaching her the gift to

sell because he loves his daughter. So that's what the Lord had told me

to put in my heart to talk about. First was his daughter. And

he was like, yeah, you know, I've gone to church and but

I kind of believe in like reincarnation, right, And so I asked him,

I said, Ben, what, okay, So you're saying that you

believe in reincarnation and you believe that you're going to come back as whatever you

come back as? What law? You know, what do you have to

follow to come back as something good? What is it? Like? What?

What what law do you have to follow? Because obviously even the people

that believe in karma and believing you're going to come back as something else,

they're following, they're saying they have to follow some type of law, right,

So what's that law? What is it? And he just looked at

me and he's like, well, be a good person, pretty much almost

saying the Ten commandments. I said it, I said, I said,

you know, in every religion that you have, you know, like one

of the major religions, they all steal from the creator. And uh,

they all steal from the creator, which is God. I said, that

law was created by Almighty God. He created that law. There is who's

to say that if I go kill your daughter, Who's to say that's wrong?

Who's to say that's wrong? If if if you know, if there

is no law, it will even within yourself, you know that's wrong,

even within yourself, even if me saying that makes you feel a certain way.

When I just said that to you, I said, God commands that

we follow the law. God commands, He demands it, right, I

said, But Jesus, when he was on earth, he even he even

went further. He says that even if you have hate in your heart,

or even if you think with your mind have lust for a woman, you've

already broken that law. Right, I said, Jesus is the only person

that has fulfilled that law. He took your sin and he placed it upon

himself. I told him, I said, so when you become a believer,

when you have when you accept Christ into your life, you're accepting that

you know that he that you are a sinner that needs to be right with

God. But the only way to do that, as it is through,

is through Christ. But he's the one that fulfilled that law. Because the

law makes you know that you're unrighteous, I said, right, So if

we see somebody killing somebody, the law lets us know that that person is

a killer and that's wrong. Right. If somebody goes and sleeps with your

wife, the law lets you know that that act of adultery is wrong,

right, because it brings pain in your life, It hurts and all that.

I said, somebody steals from you, that that act lets you know

that that's wrong, right, because it's your things that you've worked hard for.

And I go, But it's God is the one that has let us

know that we are sinners, right, that we are corrupt, I said.

Jesus came and he fulfilled the law. But it doesn't mean I said.

When I tell you about us having to follow the law, I don't

mean it in a way where it's you have to do it robotically, I

said, Because there's a lot of churches that work robotically. I told him

there's a lot of churches that feel if I do this on the outside,

then I'm good. I said. When you have a true relationship with Christ

and he changes your life, you repent, you change your mind, he

comes into your heart. You naturally don't want to do those things that happens

naturally. Why because you're in relation with God. I said. When you're

married with your wife, you don't want to cheat on her, you don't

want to. Or you have a relationship with your daughter, you don't want

to, you know, let her down and be a horrible father. You

naturally want to do what's right. I said, it's the same when you

have a relationship with God. Those things. I said, there's churches that

go and say you must do these things, and they forget the relationship that

you must. Uh, you know, you must act like a robot without

any love, because that's what it is. When you love somebody, you

automatically want to do that. Why because now the spirit of God is living

in you, residing in you, and it convicts you of what you should

and shouldn't do. But it happens naturally, happens naturally. And so I

was telling him, you know how that one day we're going to go before

God and we're going to be held accountable. So you're going to be held

accountable one day, man for this conversation that we're having today. You're going

to go before God and he's going to ask you, what did you do

with this son? Or how did you fulfill that law? But you can't.

The only one that can fulfill it is Christ. And when you have

Christ in your life, you naturally you're natural obedient. You know the same

thing. I told the Muslim guy that I was training, same thing.

I said, brother, you can pray five times a day. You can

abstain from pork, You cannot touch the bottle of alcohol to put it on

the shelf. You can do all that. And I said, those and

in those those things are good things. I get it. But if you

don't have a relationship and God requires that this law be fulfilled, how are

you even if you were to kill yourself, How can your corruption be made

righteous? I said, how could you make your own corruption righteous? I

said, don't you know that the Bible? I told him. The Bible

says that all your good works said so like helping the lady, old lady,

and helping your neighbor. I said, all those good works are a

filthy rags filthy. And he's like, well, brother, how can we

how could how can I be right before God? Then? How can anybody?

He told me, And I said, it's because of Christ. I

said, because I brought up that. Even if you, I said,

you see that woman over there, right there, you know, at pumping

gas. You know, see how she's wearing little shorts and all that.

And I said, if you have lust for that woman, even though you

have not created that act, you've made that act within your heart. And

that's when he asked, well, how can how can anybody be righteous before

God? And I explained to him because of Christ, Because Christ came and

he died. He was the I said, God requires a sacrifice. I

said, his name is Amar. I said, Amar, you cannot sacrifice

an animal, because an animal is not a man. That blood of an

animal is not satisfying to a holy God an animal. Omar, I said,

you cannot. It makes no sense. It has to be unblemish,

it has to be undefiled. It has to be without sin. Right,

I said, Jesus came without sin. I said, Omar, you believe

in the virgin birth. Right, I said, you believe in the in

your qur'an you have Marriam. I said, so you believe, right,

you believe that Jesus came and that he was born from a virgin birth.

Right. He said yes. I said, yes, I go, But

I go. So I go, Omar, in Genesis it says when it's

talking about Adam and Eve, I said, I said, it says that

your seed. I said, you know that word for seed, I said

a woman. I said, Omar, a woman can't have seed. She

carries an egg a seed. I go. It would have been better for

God to say to Adam. It would have made more sense, because carries

a seed. I go. But God was already having our redemption from the

beginning, I said. He told her, your seed is going to crush

the head of the serpent. Right, he was already given us redemption through

the woman. I said, So in your Qoran, that you you say

as holy that Jesus came as a virgin from a virgin, from a virgin

birth. I said, So that the reason why he was able to be

sinless, he was without sin. He was the perfect sacrifice. I said.

The Jews, back in the days, they used to have to sacrifice

animals, and you know, sprinkle the blood on the altar to try to

cover sins. But that wasn't enough. It's not enough because they're animals.

Amar I told them, animals, man is who's sinned. So Christ had

to come perfect, I said, and took on your mother's sin, your

daughter's sin, your father sin. All the people that you brought to America

from your from your family from fighting in the war. You brought them over

here because you were fighting with the United States. So they brought all your

family here so that they wouldn't die in in Babylon, because that's where he

was from, Iraq, Babylon. I said, so you brought them all

over here, I said, Christ died for them for that that sin.

I said, how can we, being corrupt, offer ourselves as a sacrifice

to a holy goddess at our mar We are corrupt? How can I even

sacrifice my body? But my body's in corruption. I'm corrupt, you,

I said, Omar, Adam and Eve made one sin, and it brought

death to the whole world. How many sins have you have you committed in

your mind? How many sins have I committed since I was a little boy?

How can my life sacrifice in my life, killing myself make me righteous

before a holy God. No God demands the perfect sacrifice. He demands that

you follow the law. He demands that the law be fulfilled. Why because

I said, Omar, Omar, God is holy, He's a holy God.

He's holy, he's holy, he's holy. Jesus fulfilled that he was

sinless. And when we have Christ in our heart, we've become holy as

God is holy. So I go, Omar, I understand that you see

people in churches and how can they do this? How can they drink?

How can they? I go, I get it, I go, because

those people don't have God in their heart, they don't have the spirit of

God in heart. Those are the people that you talk to that will talk

to you about football and talk to you about getting money. And I said,

do you know why they talk like that? Omar, I said,

because the Bible says, out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth

will speak. I go. Let me explain to you what it means by

abundance, I said, say, I have a basket full of apples,

and it's so filled that the apples are spilling out of the basket. So

therefore you know that I have a basket of apples why because you see them

falling on the floor. I said, Omar, that's how it is with

these people in their heart, what's in their heart is so much that it's

falling on the floor. So these people who are saying there are Christians are

not. These people who are saying they love God, they don't. You

can tell by their life. I go, but Jesus, if you truly

have a relationship with Jesus, you will be able to tell. And I'm

sorry that your wife has gone into an American church and they look down on

her. I'm sorry, but that's not a real Christian, I said.

A real Christian abides by the law. Why Because the one who fulfilled the

law lives within him. So that's what I have to say about that.

I'm sorry, pathy, No, that's that. That is that. We're

at the top of the hour. Can you pray us out of here?

Leonard? Yeah, do you have any father? In the name of Jesus,

we thank you for allowing us to come together and just to talk about

your word. It's such a great time. Lord, We thank you for

touching our hearts and our minds. Lord God, help us to walk in

faith. Lord God, help us to be obedient children. Lord God,

help us Lord to express the love that you've shown us to other people us.

Help us not to be cowards. Lord God, help us, Lord

God, to open our mouths to speak. Lord God, help us not

to be as the wicked. But help us, Lord God, to save

people from the fire. Give us the words to speak. Help us not

to be hypocrites. Let us be walking lights like you've called us to be

in this dark world. Lord. Bless the listeners, Lord God, Bless

them. I pray that they are edified through this conversation. Lord God,

we love you. Bless Matthew. Lord. I thank you for Matthew,

for all the wisdom that you've given him, for his faithfulness. Lord,

I thank you, Lord God, thank you for my brother. Lord.

We love you, and we thank you in Jesus name. Amen, Amen,

and Amen. Till next time, Ladies and gentlemen, God Bless God

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