Introduction to the End Times

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Nigh. Welcome, Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to the program. We are

your host Jose and Matthew. Tonight we're going to do and introduction to the

end times, just a a really laid back view of what people think and

what's actually going to happen, what people think and what the Bible actually says.

But in order to prepare our for that, we need to pray ourselves

into this program. So Jose, would you like to pray going in or

going out? Sure can pray us going in. Matthew Okay, very well.

Dear Heavenly Father, I would like to thank you personally as your servant

and as your son for allowing us to come here tonight. Lord, you

know that there's a multitude of things that are happening in our lives, and

a multitude of things that can prevent us from gathering together to read your word

and to study it and to be approved. So I thank you and I

praise you for allowing us to come together tonight, for giving us the time

and giving us the space in our lives to do this. Lord, We're

not doing this for each other. We are doing this to better the ecclesia,

to prepare your people for what is to come. Father, And that

is what I ask of this program today. Lord, Please guide us through

your Holy Spirit in that endeavor. And we ask all this in the name

of your Son, our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. Amen, Amen

and Amen. All right, Hose, let's just use you as a sign

post. Let's just use you as a marker. So let's go back what

almost thirteen years, let's go back twelve years, right, And that's why

you originally sought out this ministry, Right, You originally sought up this ministry

because obviously we're connected with the end time. So why did you do that?

Was you? Why was you even thinking about the end times? What's

your spill? Well? I remember the time when when I started really studying

my Bible and really trying to read it, and so, you know,

without any real direction, I just said, let me just read this.

So every break I had at work, every break I had at home,

I crack open and read a couple chapters here and there, and of course

you start reading through the Old Testament. For myself, the Catholic Church didn't

really expound too much on what the Old Testament said. Really a lot of

focus on the New Testament. That's what that's the last reading in every service,

right, that's the one that the priest at the end he gives his

homily on, he gives his message on what ties all the readings together.

But the focus was on the last reading from the Gospels. And so again,

never really too much study in the Old Testament. So as you're reading

through, you're like, this stuff sounds familiar, but I don't know how

to tie it together. I don't know what it means. This sounds kind

of like, you know, a lot of stuff you read. It sounds

like what you're reading Revelation. It sounds like what Jesus kind of hits on

as he's going through the Gospels. But until you've studied it thoroughly, you're

you're you're kind of lost. And that's where I just began to just start

clicking on everything that I could see that that had any kind of studying material

biblically, you know, And yeah, you'll you'll start hitting on certain teachers

and you're like, yeah, this is not really speaking to me, it's

not really helping me out in any way. So then you just keep moving

on. And so when I stumbled across the End Time Tribune, well,

obviously the End Times caught up my attention, right, well, okay,

this guy is talking about the End Times. U let's see what he has

to say. And I remember one of the first early shows I heard from

you was on this chapter, was on the Four Beasts, and it was

one of the first ones where it was a totally different approach than from what

I had heard from other teachers. Again, this was never really covered in

the Catholic Church, but online on different online ministries. You know, you

hear every different flavor of what this chapter means, and yours was one of

the first ones that explored it historically and hinted at what is to come right

at that time, I don't remember you expounding on on what it meant for

what is to come, but just your historical take of it, it was

really, uh, I guess you could say it was. It was eye

opening. So it's like, Okay, there is God really is saying something

here and I need to I need to look into it further. This was

one of the first ones that I heard from the end time Tribua. Matthew,

Well, you're kind of talking about things nobody realized. Right before this

program we talked about the timeline. The timeline is in Daniel chapter seven.

So I take it that's what you're talking about, because that's what starts to

four be Yes. Yes, so he probably caught people by surprise, like

what happens we're talking about? So yeah, so the timeline is kind of

blending in my head here. Matthew, Well, at that time, you

didn't realize that that is the timeline. That's the whole thing, right,

That is the complete timeline, and it begins right where it should. It

begins where revelation begins, right, correct, because the timeline in Revelation begins

with the seals. Yes, and those first four seals are perfectly described in

the first four Beast, and there's no denying those four beasts are combined into

one great beast in the Book of Revelation. There is no consternation with that.

That's absolutely provable. So that's pretty amazing that that's exactly where Matthew twenty

four starts out with Jesus right right, he calls it something else. He

calls it birth pains. Right, yes, but he perfectly describes the first

writer, the second writer, the third writer, and the fourth. He

perfectly describes the four writers, doesn't he, Yes, he does, but

he calls these things birth paints. He said, this is the beginning,

right right. So he makes sure that you know that those four beasts,

they rise before the tribulation, they rise in the birth pains. So just

getting that, don't you realize that a lot of people is going to listen

to this program. Lights will begin to come on because we're just taking baby

steps. I mean, it's very A lot of people open open the Book

of Revelation, like you said, and they can't make heads your tails of

it because nobody just simply walks through them. And really, ladies and gentlemen,

the Book of Revelation is a commentary, an exposition on Daniel, chapter

seven. That's exactly what it is. And it makes it completely simple for

everybody. So you know, Hoose, there's all kinds of different things that

we can be the first thing you're gonna do whenever you look up, you

know, end time topics. The first thing you're going to run into is,

well, are you a historist or you a preterist? Right? Right?

All kinds of things. And then, of course, what what everybody

knows, if they know anything about the end time is these infamous uh three

phase eschatology. You've got pre trib right right, You've got mid trib,

you post trip. So let's talk about that a little bit. People needs

to understand that those phrases are in reference to a rapture and sometimes the mid

The mid trib is also called the pre wrath, right, correct, based

on Jesus' differentiation between the birth pains and the tribulation. We definitely state that

we are pre wrath. Amen. Amen. Now what it is that immediately

puts your feet on solid ground is we're not trippers. We don't believe in

a rapture as most people teach. We believe in a relocation. Correct.

So we're pre wrath relocationist. We believe if you're going to put us in

any category, it's pre wrath relocation, not rapture. Now there is a

rapture, correct, Correct. That rapture is obviously synonymous with First Stussalonians Chapter

four and First Corinthians, chapter fifteen. That is synonymous with the resurrection,

right, correct, So we're also you could say, we're I don't like

using rights, that Latin term, that that Latin phrase offlogy. But we

do also know that our changing is going to take place. Then yes,

that's not the important thing. The important thing is is you'll read Isaiah like

you used to do and it didn't make sense. You didn't know how to

fit it in. You'd ezekiel, You didn't know where to put it.

Because do any of those books describe your being translated to heaven? No,

they do not, Matthew. They all in one voice. They scream out

to you that God is going to relocate you, not only you me.

We're going to be relocated and gathered together in the third location. That's the

word I heard. I read A lot was gathered. We will be gathered

together. It's all over the Old Testament and that's what God means. Okay,

So that is to say I'm in North Dakota, right, Yes,

you're in Arizona. Right correct. We're not going to be translated to heaven.

We're going to be relocated to a third place somewhere in creation, right,

right. This is what the Bible says one hundred percent of the time.

Now, sometimes ladies and gentlemen, it always states that. Now,

the problem with that is is the Great Day of the Lord. This is

the problem. People take the Great Day of the Lord and they extract it

out of eschatology and they say it doesn't exist. The Great Day of the

Lord is the perisia of Christ when he returns, when obviously that's not the

case. And I say, obviously that's not the case, because Isaiah,

Jeremiah, Oh, Badut, everybody, all the prophets scream that the let's

talk about first Thessalonians chapter five, it screams, what the Great Day of

the Lord begins the tribulation. This separation between the birth pains and the tribulation

is the Great day of the Lord. The Great Day of the Lord begins

the tribulation, and the return of Christ puts a period at the end of

that sentence. It's always that, It's never anything else. Never, it's

never anything else. That's what he always states. There's chapters in the Bible

where God even states I'm going to do this, and I'm gonna do that,

and after I do that, I'm going to send my shepherd to lead

you out. He does this multiple times. He tells you this repeatedly.

And when you look at the Sick Sealing revelation, there is no beating around

the bush. That is the great day of the Lord. The Book of

Joel testifies. The Book of Joel proves that, right, right, So

we just took everybody by surprise, right now, ladies and gentlemen. If

you didn't know that, that's why you're confused. When you read Ezekiel,

when you read Zachariaf, you get confused. It's because you don't know the

timeline. Now we're going to read the timeline. Now. God is not

trying to confuse you. That's not why he wrote the Bible. He writes

it to give you more and more and more and more and more and more

details. Jose, when you first came to this ministry twelve years ago,

you had all kinds of questions about the timeline, right, yes, I

did. And you had several points on your timeline. Right, you know

that Christ was going to come back, and you know there's going to be

bad things. Well, you realize that at some point the tribulation is going

to start, and then Christ returns. Right, So you had those two

data points right for sure? Correct? Yes, and you probably had more

data points than that, right, I mean right, how many data points

do you have on your timeline? Now? Oh, there, there's numerous,

Matthew, I couldn't even count them. But when I started, my

first point to where where the timeine started to line up was when I was

when I realized, basically Revelation was the Book of Exodus, was what happened

to the to the to the Hebrews when they were taken out of Egypt.

That's that was my first key. And yeah, you know, it still

took a lot of study to totally understand how things line up, but that

was my first indication that, oh, God's already told us about this,

and he's this is an example of what He's going to do. And so

that's how I started to line things up. But you're right, Matthew,

as you once you realize, once you have that general outline, then you

can start lining it up in the prophetic books. Then you can go to

Isaiah twenty four and you realize what the day of the Lord looks like,

and you transpose that to the Book of Regulation. You transposed that to Exodus.

So and then of course you get into the Book of Daniel, you

know, all all the prophetic books. So yeah, I just I couldn't

count the points on the time land that are lined up now, Matthew,

so you know you've got that is to say, you've got hundreds of data

points on this timeline now by now, So that took a whole lot of

untangling revelation, right, and let me ask you something. So you've spent

most of this ministry, do I spend ninety percent of my time in the

Book of Revelation? Is that where you got all these data points from?

Was from Revelation? No? No, and now it'll be that that's where

we lead back, right. Revelation twelve is one that I always flip back

to. But no, I mean, Matthew, we go, we go

all over the place, and God just keeps repeating himself. It sounds like

we're reading the same thing, but he's just repeating himself over and over,

and everything points back again. The Book of Revelation is just summing up everything

he's already said before. Uh, yeah, we're getting some more details,

but for the most part, he's given us all the details and all of

his other books. So when you say that's probably kind of confusing to people

because you're so you're trying to say that history repeats. Yes, Matthew,

Yeah, Okay, let's laid down from groundwork here. Let's go to Daniel

chapter eleven. We know, beyond any shadow of a doubt, Daniel chapter

eleven is talking about Antiochus epiphanies. There's no doubt, right, there's no

doubt. There's no doubt that the woman mentioned there is Bernice. Correct,

we can look these things up in prove that's exactly what happened. I mean.

And because historians have argued that this was written after those events, because

there's no way that it could have foretold the event so perfectly, they argue,

it's not a prophetic book. It was written after the fact. That's

what historians argue. Well, then we've got a direct problem with Jesus in

Matthew twenty four, don't we, amen? Amen? Because even though this

is provable beyond any shadow of doubt, we need to get ready that Jesus

himself states these things have not happened yet. Correct. Now, that's probably

taken a lot of people by surprise. But take note he not only comes

out and quotes that scripture, Jesus even mentions this is Daniel. There is

no denying this. Listen, ladies and gentlemen, Matthew, chapter twenty four,

verse fifteen. Therefore, when you see the abomination of desolation which was

spoken of through the prophet Daniel, he's literally telling you, ladies and gentlemen,

no, no, no, no, Jesus is coming out and telling

you this is an isochronal event. History does repeat because we can prove,

beyond any shadow of a doubt, Daniel chapter eleven, which Jesus is talking

about, was already fulfilled. Yet Jesus is stating you're all wrong. This

is going to happen again. So with that in mind, ladies and gentlemen,

you have to force your mind down this road. Who therefore is this

character in Daniel chapter eleven played by Bernice in history? Who is this daughter

of women? Who's this daughter of women? So now that you state that,

you realize that that, wow, history plays a major part if we're

gonna learn about what's to come, And you stay that, really you figured

out that the Book of Revelation is really the Book of Exodus, correct,

Because repeatedly this is what God himself states, And ladies and gentlemen, this

is real. This is literally what God states himself. Look Isaiah, chapter

eleven, verses eleven and twelve. This is first person from God's mouth.

Then it will happen on that day that the Lord will again recover the second

time with his hand the remnant of his people, who will remain from Assyria,

from Egypt, from Patho's kush elm shinar he Math, and from the

islands of the sea. He will lift up a standard for the nations and

assemble the banished wounds of Israel, and will gather the dispersed of Judah from

the four corners of the earth. Period. So we know that the psalms

literally scream out repeatedly and repeatedly and repeatedly. I mean, the chapters in

the Psalms written by the prophet Asath repeatedly tell you we were gathered the first

time for the exodus, right, correct, Yep. You can't deny what

the psalms say. You just can't. He stated here in Isaiah, he

not only said He's going to recover you again, he said it's the second

time. Now, Jose, Jose really has this happened. Yet No,

Matthew, it has not. No, it is not happened, and it's

going to happen. When you realize that, boy, a whole lot of

things begin to make sense, right, right, right. You begin to

realize the importance of the slaughter of the innocence, right, Jose, correct,

And you realize that the slaughter of the innocence was not only started the

Book of Revelation or the Book of Exodus, it also starts the life of

Christ. Right correct? Is it not true? That's exactly what the dragon

tries to do in Revelation chapter twelve. Yes it is, Matthew, There's

no doubt that's what happens. And it states that this slaughter of the innocence

doesn't take place because this this male child is taken where he's not taken,

He's translated to heaven, right right? Is this not what Isaiah chapter twenty

six states, Yes it does, Matthew. Is this not what the Book

of Obadiah states? Yes it does. Is this not what Revelation chapter fourteen

plainly states. There's one group. There's just one group going to Mount Zion,

right, correct. And it ain't you and it ain't me. One

thing's for sure, This third slaughter of the innocence ain't gonna happen. It

just real quick, Matthew. It just it just stracks me how people can

read what God says and not believe it. You know, when he says

that those that bake the matrix, those first born belong to him, he

means it, and he's given us mercy or it hasn't been the right time

for him to actually physically fulfill that the way he said, but he's going

to fulfill it those that it's going to happen, you know, it's just

and the Revelation twelve tells us when that is going to happen. Isaiah twenty

six tells us when that is going to happen, and Isaiah chapter twenty six

loudly declares it's going to happen at the end of those birth pangs. Amen.

So now we're back to Jesus and Matthew chapter twenty four. Amen.

Right, amen. So then you realize that Jesus is saying that he's saying

what he's saying based on Isaiah chapter twenty six. Yes, yes, And

when you see that, you're like wow, oh, then you start getting

out all those pins and just putting them on that timeline on your wall.

Right, you just get boom. You just put a scripture on there and

put that pin on the timeline. And well after twelve you after twelve years,

you admit you. I appreciate you said hundreds. I would debate with

you just after going through you with the apocalypse of Isaiah, I would say,

you have thousands. Yep, you have an exact Amen. May it

be so? Amen? Well, So, the other Matthew that I was

thinking about while you were talking, is God's told us to remember the Passover

event for a reason. He's told his people this has to be something you

remember every year, do not forget. Yes, he's not wasting his breath

there. There's a reason why he wants us to remember the events of Exodus,

because that is what is to come. Yes, And he repeatedly tells

you not only that, to specific I mean, what is the Passover?

It was the slaughter of who Amen, firstborn of all the Egyptians. Yeah,

I want that to sink in, ladies and gentlemen. The Bible repeatedly,

the New Testament repeatedly tells you talk talk about the Passover when you're laying

down. When you get up, teach your children, talk to your breath.

Literally, it tells you and tells you and tells you do not forget

the passover. That's what the over is is when the Lord God of Host,

in his anger, stood up and struck down the first born of Oh

of Egypt. Yes it is, Yes, it is so. Obviously the

slaughter of the innocence is a pivot point. Yes it is. So.

You know, boy, we've given so much information and just you realize it's

only twenty five minutes after and we've given of volume. So let's state this

again, just so you all know. There is a time that the four

spirits or the four winds of Heaven stirs up trouble, and that's the birth

pains. But that's not the tribulation. Before the tribulation, we're not going

to be translated to heaven. God says he's going to gather us in a

third location. So it's not you know, if if you live in New

York City, you're not going to be gathered to New York City. It's

going to be a third location. But you're not a translation to Heaven.

That translation happens. I don't want to say that word. It happens at

the resurrection, right correct. That's when we get that's when we get our

anastasis, anatomy, that's when we get our resurrected body, right correct.

But what starts that tribulation is the Great Day of the Lord. So for

the tribulation, it's not a tribulation for you or me, is it,

Jose, No, Matthew, because we're protected just like Israel was for forty

years, right correct, We're somewhere in this remote location in God himself.

I mean, does not the Bible, We've covered it on air. Does

not the Bible say that God, you don't even have to worry about what

you're going to eat? Right? Right? Did the Israelites have to worry

about what they were going to eat? Nope, they had man from heaven.

They hadn't many, they had angels food. Right. The Bible states,

Amen, that's what's going to happen. Yes, we're going to be

We're going to be translated at the resurrection. But no, no, we're

not going through the tribulation in the kingdom of darkness, are we No,

Matthew. I mean, we're not going to be dead, but we're not

going to be in heaven. God's going to gather us, and Revelation chapter

twelve calls this place what hoose, Well, there's a revelation which one chapter

twelve the wilderness. It calls it the wilderness, and then he calls it

a place prepared right, yes, yes, and that's not heaven. He

doesn't thank you to heaven because then it says the dragon tries to attack the

woman, and the dragon has been cast out of heaven. So this obviously

is not happening in heaven, right, correct, So before the tribulation starts,

we are going to be relocated, and the tribulation is the wrath of

God. So we are pre wrath relocation. That's our eschatology, pre wrath

relocation. So, now that we have that groundwork for the next thirty three

minutes, because they're right at the twenty seven minute mark, we got plenty

of time. We don't even have to read all of Daniel chapter seven.

It's very short. It's just a burst of it's just a timeline. It

gives you points. So with that in mind, let's get over to Daniel

chapter seven. And before we start, do you have any comments about this?

Jose again, just one real quick one, going back to Exodus,

how the Hebrews were protected in Goshen while all of the plagues were descending on

Egypt. And it again, like you said, it wasn't until that last

one, the slaughter of the Egyptian first born, that the Lord took them

out of there. So they had to endure those birth payings before that day

of the Lord happened in Egypt and again to the wilderness, to a place

that has been prepared, and they had wandering there for forty years while the

Lord dealt with judged those that were in the land that he was taking them

too, and that's what he did. They're in the Exodus, correct,

Matthew, and correct, And we can even take this a step further.

They were led in that time by Moses and Aaron. Right, Amen.

Moses and Aaron never entered the Promised Land. They died before they crossed the

Jordan. Right. Correct. Do the two witnesses in the Book of Revelation

do they enter the Kingdom of Heaven? No, they die three and a

half days before. Amen. Amen, ladies and gentlemen. If we just

took your breath, your breath away, you need to go back crack the

Old Testament and read when Moses and Aaron died, they died right before This

was the last thing that as soon as Moses and Aaron died, the children

of Israel was allowed to cross over into the Promised Land. The Book of

Revelation plainly tells you that two witnesses must die the beast kills them before the

perusia of Christ. Right Jose, correct. Okay, so that's just a

small data point. Now you can put that right on you. Now you

realize what I just said. Make that timeline, ladies, gentlemen. Now

you can take the two witnesses and say they die right before the return of

Christ. Yes, they do, Yes, they do. Write it on

there. Write that scripture on. Write that scripture on a pin, and

stick it on your timeline. This is unalterable. Now we're going to read,

and the first thing that's going to do is states that these four beasts

rise up. These four beast, ladies and gentlemen, has a purpose.

These four beasts has characteristics that is all incorporated into the final beast in Revelation,

right Jose, Yes, Matthew. Matter fact, that beasts in Revelation

has seven heads, right Jose, correct? One of those heads are mangled,

right, Jose, correct, because it has a fatal wound. One

of these beasts doesn't have a description because its head is obviously mangled. Listen

for that, ladies, gentlemen, This is true the Book of Revelation,

and that beast described there with seven heads. It is a chimera composed of

these four very beasts that rise not during a tribulation. These four beasts rise

during the birth pains, and they're not turned into a chimeric beast until the

tribulation. And Daniel's getting ready to tell you exact, exact very thing.

So, Jose, would you like me to read or would you like to

read? I can read, Matthew. You know what, maybe for once

we should switch it up. You read one stanza and I'll read the next

stanza. How about that we can do that? Okay. So, if

you're looking at the New American Standard Bible, the first section is goes down

to verse eight. Is that what you're looking at too? Yes? Uh

huh, okay, go ahead, take the first stands of chapter seven and

out of the NASB. In nineteen ninety five, in the first year of

Belshazzar, King of Babylon, Daniel saw a dream and visions in his mind

as he lay on his bed. Then he wrote the dream down and related

the following summary of it. Daniel said, I was looking in my vision

by night, and behold the four winds of heaven were stirring up the great

seat, and four great beasts were coming up from the seat, different from

one another. The first was like a lion and had the wings of an

eagle. I kept looking until its wings were plas and it was lifted up

from the ground and made to stand on two feet like a man. A

human mind was also given to it. And behold another beast, A second

one resembling a bear, and it was raised up on one side, and

three ribs were in its mouth between its teeth, and thus they said to

it arise, devour much meat. After this I kept looking and behold another

one like a leopard, which had on its back four wings of a bird.

The beast also had four heads, and dominion was given to it.

After this, I kept looking in the night visions, and behold a fourth

beast, dreadful and terrifying, and extremely strong, and it had large iron

teeth. It devoured and crushed and trampled down the remainder with its feet,

and it was different from all the beasts that were before it, and it

had ten horns. While I was contemplating the horns, behold another horn.

A little one came up among them, and three of the first horns were

pulled out by the roots before it, And behold this horn possessed eyes like

the eyes of a man, and the mouth uttering great boasts. So you

take note it has ten horns. Correct, Yes, the beast in Revelation

has ten horns. How many heads does do these beasts have? Its seven

heads? The first two had one, so number one has one, number

two has one, number three has one, two, three, four,

and the fourth beast has one head. It has seven heads, seven heads,

and ten horns. This beast last lacks a description. However, the

beast in revel plainly states it has a lion in it, a leopard,

and a bear. Correct. Correct. And then it says the other head

has a fatal wound, and you can't tell what it's like. So at

this point you should know, ladies and gentlemen, that if you want further

information on what's happening here, God gives you all kinds of information. Well,

for one in Ezekiel, you get more information and zach Er, well,

you know what we need to keep this simple, don't we If you

want more information on this, God provides plenty more information. But from this

point, here's your timeline. It's these things that create the wars, the

room of wars, the famines, and the plagues correctly correct Jose, Yes,

Matthew, there's no doubt about that. These things stop by the day

of the Lord. These things are stopped by the six seal event. These

things are stopped by the Book of Joel. Now are we gonna hear that

right now? Jose, Is that what's gonna happen? I don't know.

Let's see if that's actually what happens. Okay, So I'm gonna read the

next stanza. It's verses nine through twelve. Let's see if that's true.

We'll see if that's true, and keep your ears open for what revelation.

Chapter fourteen in the Book of Obadiah talks about look for some groups that's going

to Mountain Zion. And we know that Mount Zion there is no constant.

There's no contesting this case in a court of law. The Book of Hebrews

loudly states Mount Zion is the heavenly throne room, so just listen, because

God's not going to He'll give it to you. You know, the Book

of Obadiah states that this group is going to ascend Mount Zion, so just

expect it, okay, Verse nine of Daniel, chapter seven. I kept

looking until thrones were set up, and the action of days took his seat.

His vestures was like white snow, and the hair of his head like

pure wool. His throne was ablaze with flames. Its wheels were a burning

fire. A river was flowing and coming out from before him. Thousands of

upon thousands were attending him, and myriads upon myriads were standing before him.

The court sat and the books were opened. Then I kept looking because the

sound of the boast for words which the horn was speaking. Now I kept

looking into The beast was slain, and his body was destroyed and given to

the burning fire. As for the rest of the beast, their dominion was

taken away, but an extension of life was granted them for an pointed period

of time. Jose your comments on what just happened right right off the bat.

Matthew, why are those throat Why do those thrones have to be set

up? Why? Why arranging things in heaven? Why is he? Is

he playing musical chairs up there? Why? You know, obviously we know

from from Revelation chapter twelve you had some guys that were fired at this point,

and he's setting up thrones for the new hires. So that that's the

first thing that sticks out to me on this stanza, that thrones have to

be set up, because you know, God's God's pretty orderly up there.

He doesn't just do this willy nilly. Well, let us say this.

You're talking about the rot of iron, right, this mechanism by which Jesus

rules with. Does the Bible say that the kingdom of Heaven is going to

be ruled and governed by angels? No he does not, Matthew, No

he does not. He emphatically states the exact opposite. So now when we

encounter these strange single verse is like the Book of Obadiah chapter one, verse

twenty one. There's no debating that. It is just why the first five

verses of Revelation chapter fourteen is written, and there's no doubt they are ruly.

But this makes a good case. So God he gives you so much

detail here. He gives you the backside of it. He don't tell you

when he gets up, does he jose? Because literally, the Great Day

of the Lord is everywhere, right right, he gives you all kinds of

information here. He don't give you all he's tired of repeating himself. Maybe

he tells you about the Great Day of the Lord in Isaiah Jeedia Ezekiel did

everybody. Here's the only place where he tells you the backside. Instead of

telling you what occurs during the Great Day of the Lord, I'm gonna tell

you what happens when I set back down, because when I sat back down,

it's important that now I've set up other thrones. I've brought somebody with

me, and they're going to take the place of the ruling body. Yes,

yes they are, and they're not angels. And what is he saying

Verse twelve, Matthew, He says, that's for the rest of the beast.

Their dominion was taken away. That's right. They no longer have for

an appointed period of time. Amen. So now, ladies and gentlemen,

it states that after God sets back down, that's when the little horn rises?

Correct? Correct? Is there any debating that's what he said. That's

what he said, Matthew absolutely. Verse eleven states after God sets back down

and these thrones are set up, after this happened verse twelve. Then I

kept looking because of the sound of the boatful words which the horn. Now

it's not little, is it. No? Now it's risen and it is

the horn. Why does it say that, Well, let's go back up.

Remember this is what it states verse eight. While I was contemplating the

horns, behold another horn and lit to one came up, and three of

the first horns were uprooted. So that's why it don't call it the little

horn. Now now it's calling it the horn, because after the great Day

of the Lord, the first three horns have been uprooted and this one rises.

So now it's just called the horn, okay. Verse eleven. Then

I kept looking because of the sound of the boastful words which the horn was

speaking. I kept looking into the beast was slaying. The body was destroyed,

and give it to the burning fire. This is the return of Christ.

Amen. Amen, there's no debating that, right. That's when the

Bible st they are thrown into the lake of burning fire. A man correct,

So this is post the day of the Lord. You know that after

the Day of the Lord, the little horn rises into the Great Horn.

How does the great horn get put down? What's the next point on the

timeline? Jose, It's time for you to pick it up and start reading.

What happens next? What's the next data point? So pick up the

next standsap please. I kept looking in the night visions, and behold,

with the clouds of heaven, one like a son of man was coming.

And he came up to the ancient of days and was presented before him,

and to him was given dominion, glory and the kingdom that all peoples,

nations, and men of every language might serve him. Is dominion is an

everlasting dominion which will not pass away, and his kingdom is one which will

not be destroyed. Period. Are you saying period? That's what it says

there. Yes, we just got the entire timeline in fourteen verses, did

we not? Yes? We did, Jose. Is this not saying that

Christ is not coronated until God sets back down? Correct? That's what it

says, Matthew, Jose. Can you tell me is it true that Christ

doesn't get coronated intil Revelation chapter eleven, verse fifteen. Is that true or

not? I have to read it, Matthew. Really, yep, let's

let's check it out. Well, I strongly suggest you read it. Please

go to Revelation chapter eleven. Now, now make sure everybody realizes what I'm

saying. I didn't say Revelation chapter twenty one. I didn't say. This

is Revelation chapter eleven. This is in the middle of the book of Revelation.

So everybody go to you know, go to this event and hose please

read it for us. And the seventh Angel sounded and there were great voices

in heaven saying the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord

and of his Christ, and he shall reign forever and never stop. Sounds

like, well we just read, Matthew. Okay, so you're saying this

hasn't happened yet. No, it has not, Matthew. This is obviously

stating this happened on the seventh trumpet, right, That's what it says.

So you're sure that Daniel chapter seven is isn't stating that that Christ hasn't been

coordinated yet, because doesn't you know you mentioned a Catholic Church. Now,

surely some priests told you that Christ hadn't been coronated. Yet, surely somebody

has told you that they and all of their readings, Matthew, the act

as if Christ has already been coronated. That's the intent you get. Like

I said, the Catholic Church does not delve too much into the prophetic text,

but that is the the feeling you get. Okay, let's ask this

again. You're stating emphatically that the Bible, in multiple places say that Christ

does not get coronated until after the Day of the Lord. Is that what

you're saying, That's what it says, Yes, Matthew. Could you prove

that in the court of law. Yes, and there's much many more that

we could pull out. Only one question to answer. Has the Great Day

of the Lord happened? Yet? No? It has not. Matthew.

What makes you say that? Because, uh, we're still we're still living

under this dominion, Matthew. Okay, Well, I stated that the Great

Day of the Lord is where in the Book of Revelation, where did I

say? That's at relations chapter six? Okay, So I'm going to read

that, okay, and after that you need to make a decision. Set

there quietly, Jose, set there quietly. I'm just going to read it

for you, and you need to try to bring to mind where this happened

in history. Okay? Is that fair? Yes, it is okay.

And we've already stated if you want more information about the Day of the Lord,

just read the whole book of Joel. It'll tell you. So we're

going to read this, ladies and gentlemen, and you play your part.

Two ladies, gentlemen, if any of you out there are history buffs,

now we already proved that time is isochronal. We already proved that. Jesus

proved that with Antiochus Epiphanes Daniel chapter eleven, and the Abomination of Desolation being

a future event, so historically you should be able to grab this in time.

The six Seal event Revelation, chapter six, verse twelve. I looked

and it broke the sixth Seal. There was a great earthquake, and the

sun became black sackcloth made of hair. The whole moon became like blood,

and the stars of the sky fell to earth as a fig tree cast its

unripe figs. Wind shaken by a great wind. The sky will split apart

like a screw when it's rolled up. And every mountain and island were moved

out of their places, and the kings of the earth, and the great

men, the commanders, and the rich and the strong, and every slave

and freeman hid themselves in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains.

And they said, to the mountains and to the rocks, fall on us,

and hide us from the presence of him who sits on the throne,

and from the wrath of the lamb, for the great day of their wrath

has come, and who is able to stand Jose, Tell me when this

event has happened. This has not happened yet, Matthew. You're sure.

I am sure. Yes. Now, you and I have talked before,

and you were really quite fond of your grandfather, correct, correct, And

your grandfather liked to tell you of the family. Correct, Yes. So

are you sure he didn't mention something about your great great grandpa that passed down

to your great grandpa, that was passed down to you to Grandpa that he

told you. Are you sure this never happened. I'm sure, Matthew,

No, because it was pretty clear it said Lottie. Dottie everybody, right,

Yes, it said everybody. Everybody was going to do this thing.

That being the case, Jose, Now you know why it stated what it

stated about verse sixteen and verse seventeen, Because let me say this again.

When did Daniel chapter seven say Christ was coronated after what event? Well,

after the Lord takes his seat back, after the answer the days takes his

seat? What does Elation chapter eleven state, when does Christ get coronated?

Ladies and gentlemen, Is it just me? Or does the Bible keep repeating

itself, Ladies and gentlemen. No, no, Christ has not been coronated

yet. No, he hasn't. Jose. Do we really need to discuss

this? I mean, really, Jose, can you see any way that

you could prove in a court of law that Christ is doing what is described

for the seventh trumpet in Revelation chapter eleven. Is there any way you could

prove in a court of law that the things that happen on a daily basis

happen after he gets coordinated. Let's just say, you know, what's one

of the big issues that are bad. Let's say murder. I mean,

let's just talk about the murders. That's happened in Chicago this year. Could

you prove in a court of law that that will happen when Christ is the

king? Yeah, Matthew, I think what you're trying to say is that

the way this world is now and the way it's being operated, there is

no way that Christ could be ruling right now because that will not be permitted.

His rod of iron will set those things right. Yeah. Amen?

Amen, So literally, there's no way you could prove in the court of

law that Christ has been coronated, correct, using just murder? Will just

use just murder in the king? Does not God himself say that no one

will do these things on my holy mountain? Right? He says, the

lion will lay down with the wolf, or the lamb lay down with the

wolf, yachtie, and there will be no destroying on my holy mountain,

right? Correct? You obviously cannot prove that's happening right now. You can't

prove that Daniel Chapter seven proves the coronation of Christ happens at the seventh trumpet.

Yes, Yes, Revelation Chapter eleven stated quite plainly, Christ does not

begin to ruin and ray until that seventh trumpet. Amen, Amen, I

mean I read it plainly. Christ does not quarren bringing that up in present

tents. At the opening of Revelation, Christ is not called the coronated king,

is he? He's called the what Ah? Yes, the sixth Seal

of Fant said that at that point in time where the sixth seal is broken,

he's the lamb. Amen. Amen. Now we've got people's gears turning

because now they can re listen to this at start putting points, data points.

There's things that happens before the Day of the Lord, there's things that

happen before the return of Christ, and there's the Kingdom of Heaven after the

return of Christ. Right, correct, Now they have segments fur their timeline.

You have won the birth pains two, the tribulation three, the thousand

year reign of Christ. You should be able to put on your timeline three

distinct segments because God always states that fourteen verses in Revelation or in Daniel chapter

seven, right, Jose Right, and he said it. He said it

in chronological order. You can't get any simpler than that, can you,

Right? And it lines up with everything else that he said, Matthew like

you said. It lines up with Matthew twenty four. It lines up with

the book Revelation, lines up with Joel, lines up with Isaiah. It

all lines up. No, there's no confusion when you when you read the

timeline in Daniel chapter seven. You know. Let's go through a couple of

these. Isaiah chapter forty, verse eleven. Like a shepherd, he will

tend his flocks in his arm. He will gather the lambs and will carry

them in his bosom. He will gently lead the nursing youths. Okay,

let's try another one. Is God going to gather you or is he going

to translate you to heaven? Which one? Isaiah chapter forty three, five

and six. Do not fear. Let me say this to Jose personally.

Jose, if you're experiencing the birth pains, I don't want you to be

afraid. Okay, Amen, because this is what God's promising you. Jesus

promised you the birth pains, right, wars, rumors of wars, earthquakes,

effect right, correct, don't fear. This is why, this is

why I don't want you to be afraid. Do not fear, for I

am with you. I will bring your offspring from the east and gather you

from the west. I will say to the north dim and to the south,

do not hold them. Bring my sons from Afar and my daughters from

the ends of the year. Jose, You're gonna take part in Nexodus.

That's what God just said. Now. Did he say you're just gonna translate

you to heaven? Nope, he did not say that, Matthew. He

says he's gonna gather you right. Yes, So we are relocationists, correct,

correct? Based on this timeline. Is that pre wrath or post wrath?

That's a pre wrath where pre wrath relocationist? Amen? Jose, Amen,

Matthew. God just keep saying. Let's try. Let's try Isa chapter

forty nine, verse eighteen. Lift up your eyes and look around all of

them. Gather together. They come to you as I live, declares the

Lord. You will surely put all of them on as jewels and bind them

on as a bride. Do you have trouble understanding what God meant? Now?

Did he say it was gonna take you to heaven? No? No,

he was pretty clear about what he meant. Right. Yes, Okay,

let's try this one more time. Let's try his chapter fifty four,

verse seven. Surely he's gonna change his two right, verse seven, for

a brief moment I forsook you. That's interesting. He stated that that's a

whole lot more data points I'm not gonna talk about. But there's this brief

moment than what happens. But with great compassion, I will gather you.

Do you have more information about this brief moment? Jose? You do,

don't you? We know that we don't. We know that during this brief

moment, he's gonna he's not gonna hear you prayers, right right, yes,

Okay, So, ladies and gentlemen, Jose and I could give you

all kinds of data points just on this one first, all kinds of them.

But let's try. Let's try. Isaiah chapter fifty six, verse eight.

The Lord God, who gathers the dispersed of Israel, declares, yet

others I will gather to them, to those already gathered. Amen, Amen,

Lord, have mercy, ladies and gentlemen. I could go on and

on and on and on. I could go Okay, here, let's go

to the Psalms one six, verse forty seven. Save us, oh Lord,

our God, and gather us from among the nations to give thanks to

your holy name and glory in your praise. Jose Did it say please take

us to Heaven? No it did not, Matthew. No, ladies and

gentlemen, you're going to be gathered to a third remote location, and during

that time, while you're protected, all hell is going to be breaking loose

on planet Earth. God is so mad that the Book of Revelation states that

all those that are in the outer darkness in the Kingdom of the Beast,

they can't die because God orders death to flee from them. But it's got

nothing to do with you. You're in a place Revelation chapter twelve describes as

a place prepared, Amen, Jose Amen, Matthew. Is that what God

always states, That's what he says over and over over and over. So

we are pre wrath relocation. That's what we believe in. And if you

want to call when we receive our anastasis anatomy, if you want to call

that a rapture, but it's not literally the Greek says a lagosmothea, so

it's a changing. But if you want to call that, we are pre

wrath relocation and a post trip rapture, Amen, Jose Amen, Matthew.

And God states that all the time. So no, you're not going to

go through the tribulation, but you're not going to heaven either. If you

want to find out about that male child and who does go to heaven,

read the book of Obadiah, Read Revelation chapter fourteen, Read Daniel chapter seven,

and that's who goes to heaven. That's what Revelation chapter twelve lovely stakes.

So with that in mind, you're closing comments because we're obviously past the

hour by a couple of minutes. So Jose, you're closing comments please,

Well, I'm just reminded Matthew of what God continued told Pharaoh. Right,

he can tell you told him to let my people go. And he didn't

say let my people go so they can go do something fantastical and bewillowed the

wist the way. No, he said let them go so they can go

into the wilderness and worship me, like you said, Matthew, to give

thanks and praise to my Name's that's why he took them out of Egypt.

That's why he's going to take us out of Egypt. That's why he's not

going to take us to heaven. He's going to take us to a place

that has been prepared so that we can hold a feast unto him in the

wilderness, and we can worship and give thanks and praise. So those are

those are our our marching orders, Matthew, So we need to look forward

to Amen. Amen and amen. All right, ladies and gentlemen, let's

close us out here in prayer. Dear heavenly Father, whom we serve through

the Lord Jesus Christ, your son, Father and our Savior, thank you

so much for filling us with the Holy Spirit and letting us peer into the

Bible, your Holy Word, and letting us learn what is to come.

Because this is why you wrote your word. This is why you presented themto

us, the Bible, your Holy Word. It was to explain to us

what is to come. You didn't write it to confuse your children. You've

given us all kinds of information. And I and Jose bless the name of

the Lord Jesus Christ for all this wonderful information that you've given us. I

bless the name of the Lord Jesus Christ for not keeping us in the dark,

for blessing your children, forgive us so many reasons not to fear,

because you've told us exactly what is to come. You've kept your promises.

Lord, You have sent to us the spirit of truth, and the spirit

of truth has revealed to us what is to come according to your Holy Word.

We bless the name of the Lord Jesus Christ for proving himself to be

true by giving us his word to be a lamp unto our feet and a

lightened to our path. For these very things we bless the name of the

Lord Jesus Christ. We eagerly wait for that chance that we read these verses

that say that once we're gathered, we'll be able to praise you, and

we urgently wait for that opportunity to praise you. O Lord, thank you

so much for Daniel chapter eleven. And oh my goodness, Lord, I'm

just flooded. My mind is just flooded. But I could just chapter after

chapter after chapter after chapter after chapter, and I just can't do it all

because well, I'm still this side of your kingdom. Please, Dear Lord,

give me and Jose good gifts. You have promised to give your children

good gifts, and we, Jose and I plead with you to give the

gift of the Holy Spirit to those people who will participate in this program.

Whether it's here in the live or in the archive, whether it be in

the video or in the audio. Please, dear Lord jose and I ask

you for this good gift. Father, Please fill them with the Holy Spirit

and use this very program to draw them to your son for salvation. For

your son is faithful, and he will say them. In the name of

the Lord Jesus Christ. We pray Amen and Amen Amen. Until next time,

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