057 Toiling For Fire

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Nigh. Welcome, Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to the program. We are

your host, Mariah and Matthew. Tonight, we're going to be talking about

the topic that comes up a couple of times in the Bible, this idea

of toiling for fire. So Mariah and I have been talking about this since

Christmas Eve. Actually it was Christmas Eve that I took the screenshot at and

send it to you. I was on December twenty fourth, So this has

been a couple of months in the coming. So a couple of months in

the making. Kept telling me you were going to talk about it, and

then not changing your mind into doing something else about me. Well, I

mean, for a lot of that time you were at Cooperstown Bible Camp.

Yeah, but since that time, yeah, that there's really no excuse for

us not getting together and do this because you're certainly part of the ministry,

no doubt about that. So this idea of toiling for fire. When we

first talked about it. You had a completely different idea than me. What

did you make of these couple of verses that refer to this? Let me

let me read to the first one is in Jeremiah fifty one, verse fifty

eight. This is the Lord of Host, the broad wall of Babel will

be completely raised, and her high gates will be set on fire. So

the people's will toil for nothing, and the nations become exhausted only for fire

and habit. Chapter two, verse thirteen. It is not indeed from the

Lord of Host that people's toil for fire and nations grow weary for nothing.

So you had a pretyer interesting idea of what this meant. What do you

think this means that the that the people will basically their kingdom beilieve raised to

the ground, can set on fire. I look at this completely differently because

to me it read like the people were working for fire. Now this topic

right here, these two different ideas both are true because the proper interpretation of

his scripture is polysemic. It's not literal, it's not figurative, it's all

those things. It's polysemic. God means more than one thing. Whenever he

says something For example, in a Book of Revelation, he plainly states that

the lamb was standing before the throne of God looking as if it had been

slain. Now, literally, that was the Lord Jesus Christ, correct and

figuratively he was the lamb that had been slain because he did fulfill the role

of the passover lamb. Right, So, the Bible was saying more than

one thing with the information it was delivering. It was polysemic. It meant

more than one thing. So in this your idea is absolutely right on time

and right on target. When we read the stanza there, this comes out

even more so when we read that stanza, which is twelve thirteen and fourteen

from Havoc chapter two, it says, woe to him who builds a city

with bloodshed and found a town with violence? Is it not indeed from the

Lord of Host that people toil for fire and nations grow weary for nothing,

For the earth will be filled with the knowledge and the glory of the Lord

as the waters cover the sea. So here, indeed, in this context

he's saying it's going to be raised to the ground. There's no doubt he's

saying that. But also prophetically, you fast forward in time from the time

this prophecy was given you fast for you know, twenty five hundred years right

over two thousand years. And I said something to you that that is very

disturbing, you know, because once I laid it out for you, you

realized, oh my goodness, Liz, say that I was going to describe

to Jeremiah or Habit Cook the situation that's going on on this planet. This

planet is an economic engine that is ran and is fueled by petroleum. Now,

how would I explain that to Jeremiah or Habit Cook in words they can

understand, Fyer, That's right, correct. A real good Biblical illustration would

be to direct them to the woman that is in the book of Zachariah.

It's what's described there is there's an epha and this efa. Now remember an

efa is a vase. It's a big jar that will hold a measure of

grain. That measure of grain wasn't a gallon, it wasn't a bushel.

They called it an epa. And in this illustration a lead weight is put

on top of it to contain wickedness. This is exactly what I would do.

I would say, imagine, if you will you get a vase,

get an epha, put fire in it, and then you cover that fire

up with a lead weight. They would be able to immediately realize that,

oh, the flame would build the pressure, it would become hot. This

would be the perfect way to describe them how everything moves on this planet,

whether it moves by air, land or sea. You're talking about petroleum being

captured, and by the capturing of that flame and turning that into horse power,

that is the engine for the entire planet. This is what we work

for. This is what we toil for. I mean, I mean even

when you talk about you know, coal fire generators, how we get power.

We also have, of course dams that provide hydroelectric power, but power

itself, in all of its shapes and forms, is most efficiently done via

petroleum. You have to capture that fire, put it under pressure, and

it produces power, pure horsepower. So when you look at things that way,

it also makes sense. Right, This would be a perfect way to

describe to Jeremiah and Habakuk how it is in two thousand years in the future,

the entire planet wide society is literally toiling for that fire. The entire

industrial engine that we have is ran off of that premise converting fuel to power.

That's how it's done. Now, your idea absolutely is true in this

idea, because there's no doubt about it. This is what Jeremiah, chapter

fifty one, verse fifty eight comes around and says. It says, says

the Lord of Host the broad wall of Babylon will be completely raised, and

our high places will be set on fire. So absolutely what your idea on

the surface, that is what this is saying. So the peoples will toil

for nothing and the nations become exhausted only for fire. So you're right,

it is saying that too. That is a literal interpretation of what was happening

on the ground in Babylon at the time. That's what was happening. God

was saying, you guys are building all these walls. You're building all your

houses for nothing. Because the Lord of Hosts says it will be completely raised,

You're gonna raise it to the ground. It reminds me of the oil

wars. The war is going on over oil. Well, you would say

that this is really the cause of all the major conflicts here oh here,

since well after World War two, let's put it that way. It was

then that, yes, it was then that this that the petro dollar was

created, And everybody needs to realize that the entire planet is run off the

petro dollar. If you're in China right now and you want to buy any

commodities from any other nation on the planet, you have to convert that currency

into the American petro dollar to buy anything on the world market. Now,

if you just explain this to Jeremiah and Habakuk, they would be absolutely dumbfounded.

They would be like, no one could, no one should be in

control of that much power on the tire planet. So you're saying that this

mechanation of this petro dollar not only runs the economic system, it is the

currency for the whole thing. This fire is how all of those goods and

services get distributed. That's exactly correct. This would literally blow Jeremiah and Habokak's

mind that they would think to themselves, look if anyone, if anyone keen

got control of this. I mean that in itself would be reckoned into the

power of the angels of heaven exercising dominion over the whole planet for Pete's thakes.

But that thing is absolutely true, So give me your thoughts. I

mean, you obviously read all of Jeremiah fifty one, right, so give

me your thoughts on the message that's being delivered there. That's a lot.

Basically, Basically, it's a threat saying that all these nations have built up

their walls against the lords, like in Psalms too, Psalms to describe all

the nations building up their towers against the Lord, and the Lord saying I'm

going basically, I'm going to destroy everything that you've built because you you are

not working for me, You're doing sinful, ungodly things. And he is

mentioning Babylon dah Lah, which we know is the city of the wicked.

Basically, then I guess you'd have to call it the capital city of the

wicked. Really, it is the city of the wicked. There are two

verses in particular that I think remind me of the modern world, which ones

verse twenty five. Behold, I am against you throwing mountain who destroys the

whole earth, declares the Lord. And I will stretch out my hand against

you and roll you down from the crags and will make you a burnt mountain.

And then another one verse fifty three, though Babylon should ascend to the

heavens. And though she should fortify her lofty stronghold from me, destroyers,

destroyers will come to her, declares the Lord. And you know those two

verses, you put them together, they're very good description of a capital that

is exercising dominion over the whole planet. That's what it's meaning. That's what

it is saying. So, you know, did you look at Mystery Babylon

in the Book of Revelation. No, so you never compare those texts with

these. Well, basically you need to realize that that's what Revelation seventeen and

eighteen are about. It is about the doom of Babylon, but not the

Babylon it says in particularly it it's not this literal Babylon. In verse five

of Revelation chapter seventeen, it calls it mystery Babylon. It says on her

forehead a name was written a Mystery Babylon, the great mother of Harlot's and

the abominations of the Earth. So this is referring to a mystery Babylon.

Now you have to realize that where we're setting at in this point in time

when Revelation was written, you realize Babylon was no longer an empire. There's

no reason to refer to Babylon as the capital city of the whole planet.

When the time this was written, you would have called that Rome. Unless

this scripture is referring to this scripture, that's right and less. Prophetically,

these are length and that is why you would call this mystery Babylon. Let's

talk about that for a minute. When Jeremiah was writing about this Babylon,

you realize that the temple had not been destroyed yet. When Habakuk was writing,

the temple had not been destroyed yet. Jeremiah is writing that Babylon is

going to come and destroy the temple. So these things had not happened yet.

Now, the Second Temple period, the post excellent period of Jesus' time,

that was during the Second Temple. Herod's temple was the Second Temple,

okay, And in that window of time when the Second Temple was built,

the Babylonians did not build it. The Persians did. But the Persians did

a very interesting thing. So take note that when the invasion happened and Nebic

and Ezer came in, destroyed the temple, put all the people into exile.

That was for seventy years. But when it was time to build the

Second Temple, the Persians had conquered the Babylonians. So if this would have

been written in Jesus' time, all those people would have known that. I

know exactly why they're calling it Mystery Babylon because do you know what the Persians

did that was different than everybody else When they took over the Babylonian kingdom.

The Babylonian spoke Aramaic. I take note when you do your research, different

places call this language by different names. The Eastern Church calls this Kalidi.

That's what it is. Aramaic is Kaladean. It's the language of the Kaladeans,

those that were in Babylon. The Persians did a very marvelous thing.

When Darius took over, he made Aramaic. He kept it as the empire's

lingua franca. Do you know what a lingua franca is. It is the

common language of the empire. Now, what did the Romans do? The

Romans made their own language. That's right, you had to write everything in

the language of their empire. Right, This is not what Persia did.

Persia kept the Empire's lingua franca as Aramaic. So John when he wrote this,

this was the perfect thing to do. In the Second Temple period.

He was telling all of the Jews that had converted to Christianity. This ain't

Rome. This is way in the future. And when this does happen,

mystery Babylon is going to be the lingua franca that is being used across all

the member states. You need to understand this. There's only been one global

LINGUALRCA ever. Guess what it is, You and I are speaking it.

The global lingua franca is English. No one understand this, Mariah. All

academic journals must be written in English. Doesn't matter if you're going to a

university in Iran, doesn't matter if you're going to a university in Turkey.

All academic papers that are submitted must be written in the global lingua franca English.

Let me give you another big example. You can't be an airplane pilot

for commercial airlines unless you speak English. I don't care where you're from,

because all air traffic control is done in one language. Guess what it is,

English. This is You've all been established in conjunction with the Petro dollar,

running global trade. English is the greatest lingua franca in history. It's

the only one that's been global. It is global. If you want to

write a medical journal, guess what you got to do it in English.

How many American children that's in high school right now? How many of them

do you think know that? When I just told you, very few of

them? And why do you think that is? I mean, they are

going to English speaking schools, so you would think this would absolutely be one

of the very primary things taught to them in English class in high school.

Why do you think it's not? People just kind of push it under the

rug. It's not their problem. Do you think it makes sense that now

that I explain to you that this is during the Second Temple period, is

it making sense to you that when you know God wrote this using John on

the Isle of Patmost, when he had him write this saying mystery Babylon and

not using the city of Rome, all these people knew exactly what was talking

about. Don't you think that should be taught in church that people understand what

this mystery Babylon is That when the time this was written, Babylon was not

the Empire, it was Rome. Everybody knows that. Yeah, I mean

I don't think that it should be taught in church necessarily because if the subject

comes up, of course, But I think in church people should be focusing

more on trying to save the people that don't know anything about God. A

wow? Really, so you think that local churches should be focused on evangelism,

well globally, I mean, so we should support missions to Africa?

Are you talking about evangelizing locally? Locally? Like if churches were to spend

so much time worrying about what's going to happen in the revelation. And I've

met these people. They spend all their time worrying about what's going to happen

in the Revelation, what's gonna like, are we going to be saved?

All of this? They're scared. And I think that our mission as Christians

is to be prepared for when that comes. But ultimately we need to be

striving to be better Christians where we're at, striving to be doing our job

as Christians and spreading the gospel. So let us put our money where your

mouth is. Okay, So let's bring this in real tight and personal.

So you obviously go to a church, right, how much evangelist, how

much local evangelism is done? How many opportunities have you had for local evangelism

through your church? Not enough? Not enough? How many times? Like

zero? Yes, I don't appreciate you being facetious. Okay, that was

a lie. No liar will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. If you want

something to be afraid of, be afraid of that that comes out of God's

own mouth. Okay, So don't lie, Mariah. You've not had one

opportunity to participate in a ministry of local evangelism period. How long have you

lived here? Well, in the past, we had VBS, but we

don't do VBS. We don't do VBS anymore. Now all of the local

churches get together and they pay one organization from out of state to do one

week long VBS. So no, you can't even participate once a year in

VBS. So you know that that brought things real tight close to the chest,

right, because you're right, many people get fixated on the revelation,

right, and many people go on and on and on and on about it.

And because there's all kinds of gray area in the revelation, right,

we can come up with all kinds of different topics we can talk about concerning

this, and it is very interesting to people, right, I mean there's

all kinds and movies about the end of the world, all kinds of entertainment

media you can get, right, Yeah. Entire books. I mean literally,

you could feel probably an entire library with all the different into the World

series of books, both Christian and non Christian. You could fill up an

entire library just with that genre. Correct. Oh yeah, So wouldn't it

behoove us to use the Book of Revelation as an evangelistic outreach? Yeah?

Yeah, so why don't we? Well, I guess we need to answer

a bigger, better question. Why is there no evangelism? I don't know.

Let me ask you this. Have you ever had any of the other

churches come and try to evangelize you and you had to tell them no,

no, no, no, I am a Christian. I go to this

church. So you've not experienced is zero zero evangelism? Zero? Nope?

I mean what do you have to say about that? I think I think

it's evidence of how I should I say this. It's evidence of how close

we are to revelation because of how little Christians are caring. So what are

Christians supposed to be doing. We're supposed to be going out and saving people.

Okay, so that's what we're supposed to be toiling for. Yeah,

So what you're saying is is what all these local churches are toiling for is

fire? Because if they're not saving souls for the Lord Jesus Christ, they're

toiling for fire. Is that what you're saying. Yeah, I'm gonna do

that. I mean, especially nowadays. I mean you can find a really

good church that you know, a really good pastor that gives really good sermons.

But at the end of the day, it just kind of seems like

churches are doing a lot for themselves, doing a lot for themselves in what

way? What do you mean by that? What are they doing for themselves

the Lord Church and listen to what the pastor has to tell them, and

yet they won't go out and spread the word. Pastor sits down his congregation

and gives them the Word and fills their spirits, and you know, is

doing all these things spiritually for that, But then he won't go out and

tell people that aren't Christians people who need to be saved, you know.

So are you implying that it's the pastor's job to do the evangelism. That's

what you mean or what? Because that's what it sounded like to me.

No, I'm just saying that all Christians seem to be doing church for themselves.

So they're all just going to church and letting the pastor fill them.

You know, they get filled up to the brim and then they just go

home and they don't try to fill anybody else. Yeah. I don't even

think of outreach as even something that applies to them. You know. Let's

let's talk about that word outreach. Ryan. So do you think that supporting

missions to Africa? Do you think that's outreach for your church? Here?

Let me ask us a different way. You paid your tithe, right,

okay, so some of your tithe money went to support those missions. What

evangelism did you do? Well, I help missions that are you know,

it's your money that you pay for those missions. What evangelism did you personally

do by sending your money to Africa? I'll tell you, child, nothing,

you did nothing. I'll know you this. I didn't do my best.

That's not my best. Rude there, that's not the most important work

that I could do. And that's what I'm saying, if you send money

somewhere else, that doesn't mean you're doing anything, does it. I mean,

I it does help other people, but it's not the best you can

do sending your money isn't you know, lend to caesars? What is caesars?

Were not born into this world that gives people money. But we're born

with hearts and we're born with mouths. We're actually born to birth. Realized

that's why we're born. We are born to have children. You do realize

that, right, This is why you were born. You were born to

propagate the promises of God. I mean, what's the first thing he said

to Adam and eight? Fruitful and multiplied? Okay, so how do Christians

be fruitful and multiplied? Make more Christians? That's right. You can only

do that with the angelism. That's all. You have to go talk with

people and try to get people saved from their sins, right, because if

you're not, the Lord says you're toiling for fire. And I think we've

showed that that is both literal and prophetic because literally, prophetically that is what

we do. That's what our entire system is based off of the entire thing

is based off the Petro dollar. I mean, let's dog a sermon today,

okay, just as an example, and I'm gonna say anything bad about

our pastor. He's great. He gave us a sermon about keeping our strength

with the storm clouds, you know, you don't, not being afraid when

bad things come, and getting through it. And that was very encouraging to

all the people who listen to his servant. However, wasn't really anything we

didn't already know, and it was very It was good. It was a

good sermon, But who did it help besides us? We just sat there

and listened and then we went home. Well, we got donuts first,

But I mean, up, all we're doing is speaking to other Christians.

What's the point. We're not bearing fruit? But we already brought this up.

This isn't the pastor's job. It's Christians make more chrit Look, let

me ask you something. So you know the twenty third song, right,

Lord is my Shepherd, I shout out want right. There's no more favorite

or or moan more known scripture than that. When everybody knows twenty third song,

the Lord is my Shepherd, I shall out want right? Can I

ask you a stupid question, does the shepherd make more sheep? Who makes

more sheep? Only the sheep can bear sheep. Let me say that again,

only the sheep can bear more sheep. That's not the shepherd's jump.

It's the sheep's job to have more sheep. And by your own testimony,

at least in the past year, you've had zero chance to participate in a

miss this tree that would bear fruit for the Kingdom of Heaven, for the

name of the Lord Jesus Christ. Zero opportunities. What do you think about

that? Kind of I don't want to say anything that would sound like an

offense to anybody, but kind of an embarrassment. You know. Imagine if

I'm in school and I have an atheist neighbor. My neighbor's atheist, and

I go to high school and I see him in school every day, He's

thinking to himself, Hey, this girl is a Christian, right, and

don't Christians believe in going out and trying to save people? How come I

never see this girl out doing anything? How came I never see her helping

in the soup kitchens or helping with soup kitchens. You know how people used

to people used together get together and make dinners for the poor all the time

they used to do it. Who does that now? No one that I

know of. Just the food pantries, but no one. I've never seen

anyone get together and just make a hot meal for the poor. I've never

seen anyone get together and just do a ministry for a high school. I

mean now it's illegal almost. Well, in defense of this ministry before your

time, before you were born, I certainly participate in Shepherd Community, Shepherd

Community, homeless shelter. And you can take this to the bank. Mariah,

I have said the hungry. I have did everything that are possible good

to help fast. But so well we can't we relocated none of that here,

Oh, because there's no ministry we can participate in to do it.

Child, Why doesn't the church just because we send our funding to Africa,

to Timbuctoo, to the dark side of the moon. So when people when

the cheap are being told to hey, you don't have to do We'll just

take your wool. We'll just take the shears shear off your wool, and

we'll send it to Alaska. That's how you can help those people, not

by bearing fruit in them or with them. We'll just take your fleet and

sell it and send them part of the proceeds. What I'm trying to say

is, like, what what does an atheist think when they see a Christian

and they're w what what are we doing? Even an atheist knows that Christians

try to make more Christians, Even an atheist knows that Christians think that they're

doomed. Well, you're right, that must be pretty offensive to an atheist

that knows that, and they know that these people that they're hanging out with

and going to school with don't care that they're doomed. They don't they realize

that, Hey man, why aren't these people trying to save me? If

they love me? That's proof in the pudding, isn't it. That's proof

that the Christians that they're around does not love them. That's proof if the

Christians think they're really going to burn in hell, they are leaving them to

their own devices so that they can do exactly that when the time comes.

They're making sure those people do in fact burn in hell. And that is

not love. So at present moment, there's absolutely zero that you can do

about this right now, because there is no ministries you can participate that can

bear fruit for the Kingdom of Heaven, for the sake of the name of

the Lord Jesus Christ. Zero. You can't even participate one week in the

summer for VBS riddlemly child to ask answer this question. Maybe that's going too

far. Did you help? Could you help? Be you know, a

helper? And let's say Sunday school. Why not if someone's already doing it,

they won't just let me go in there. Well, there's only one

adult Sunday School class, Mariah, we don't have Sunday school for children.

Honey, you didn't know that, did you. No, I didn't know

that. While you were at Cooperstown Bible Camp, we canceled children Sunday school.

Now there's only the adults that show up for Sunday School. So you

couldn't help in Sunday School. So well, that being said toiling for fire,

did not Jesus say We're to store up treasures in heaven and the only

way you can do that is by saving people from their sins. That's the

only way to do it. There is no other way. It was like

for me, that's my job. You know, I don't understand people who

don't think that way. Like my job in preparation when it comes to preparation

for the revelation, my job isn't to make sure that I have a shotgun

in my house. My job in preparation for the end times is to make

sure that I save as many people as possible. And if I don't do

that, if I don't, if I can't do my one job, how

am I? What am I gonna have to say when I get to heaven?

What are my treasures gonna be? What are my accomplishments gonna be?

And I was like, I don't understand people who just don't get that.

Well, Honey, I don't know what to say to you, because most

certainly all the adults in your church know that, and they're busy doing something

else. Because of this, you can be sure your church has the finances

to fund any ministry you can think of, anything you wanted to do locally,

your church has the finances to execute that plan to implement that ministry.

So there is nothing I can say in our defense but know in your heart

the time is coming when you and I is going to have to do something

about it. Because you're right, Mariah, if you don't bear fruit for

the kingdom of heaven. You are going to the beam a seat, and

you will answer for it and hearken to my voice, Mariah. God does

not accept petro dollars. And I just like thinking about the people I've met,

you know, they talk about how great of Christians they are, you

know, and go around talking about, you know, I know this and

this about the Bible, and I do this and this, you know,

because I'm saved and you know, and then the topic of the end of

the world comes up, and they're like, oh, I got a shot,

get in my house. I'm not afraid to you know, real people,

I'm not afraid to protect myself. Like I live in this house way

over here. It's it's the best place to be if anything ever happens.

And I'm just like, what's the point, what's the point? Why are

you building up all this building up, all this knowledge and all this righteousness

and all this all these objects and all these things for yourself and you're not

going out and sharing them. And like these people, if I ever introduced

the idea of hey, why not, why are you afraid of the revelation?

Why not go out and share your work? They would act like I

didn't even say anything important or worth hearing. I don't have anything to respond

to that. I mean, I know them, I go to church with

them, but I have no response for you because there is no good reason.

I wish they could understand that they are toiling for fire. Well,

this turned into a lot harder message than I was wanting to deliver. I

didn't expect this to get up close and personal. All right, Oh no,

by all means, By all means, Mariah, if you can,

if you can put wow, if you can put the law and the testimony

in two barrels and put them in my chest, pull both triggers, you

know, because I'm going to the beam a seat too. And I know

God don't accept beans, bullets or bullion, and he don't even remotely care

about those things. So with that in mind, I guess we will end

this program toiling for fire. Why don't you pray us out of here?

Mariah? Kay, Dear Lord and Heaven, thank you so much for everything

that you've given to us. Thank you for the opportunities that we have to.

I'm going evangelize for you and to spread your light. Even if they're

a little we know that we're always going to be right there beside us,

giving us what opportunities that you can. And I pray for all these people

that are listening to this, and I pray that you would give them strength

and you would give them blessings, and you would be with them, and

you would give them a drive to not toil for fire. And I pray

that you would be with me and my dad, that you would be able

to go out and have strength for you, that we would be able to

do the will that you have designed for us to do. And your name

my brahimen. Amen. Until next time, ladies and gentlemen, God bless

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