Rapture vs. Relocation

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host. Jose and Matthew got a very big topic tonight because I've had an

influx of questions about this very thing, and I know it's probably not from

my regular listeners because just about all the messages said that they heard me on

a podcast, So I'm not sure where that's coming from, but it's probably

from my interview I did with Kenny c on his program The Rock. So

we're gonna take this, take some time and answer questions about it so everybody

gets a feel as to what the Bible is saying, kind of unclogging those

gears, because the Bible has a lot to say about what God means.

So in order to get to that, we better pray ourselves out of this

big dark hole we're in, because without the Holy Spirit's guidance, we're gonna

stay in this great, big hole of unknowing, this this chasm of uncertainty,

and that is not why God gave us his word. He gave us

his word to explain to us, not confuse us. So let us power

his prayer. Dear hemly Father, whom we serve through the Lord Jesus Christ,

your son and our Savior, please fill us with your holy spirit so

that we might be pleasing and acceptable in your psych Oh, Lord Dower Rock

and our Redeemer, thank you so much for this precious time that you've given

to me and home to come together with the ecclesia and try to edify your

children. And we ask your blessing upon whoever partakes of this program, whether

it's here in the live or in the archive, whether it in the video

or the audio, it is Jose and Mine's utmost request that you might bless

them and edify them. And it is in your Son's precious name we pray

the Lord Jesus Christ. Amen and Amen. Amen. All right. Jose,

You know I tried doing a video earlier, and I'm going to recap

that just a little bit for the people. Take note, ladies and gentlemen,

that in First Corinthians, chapter fifteen, particularly verses fifteen fifty one fifty

two and one Thesalonians, chapter four, it states to you in fhatically that

you're going to go through a change. Now, the problem here is is

that most people concentrate on what is not there. There is no destination for

the bride. That may even confuse some people. There's no destination mentioned in

these two chapters. For Christians, there's no destination. It makes it perfectly

clear that it is Christ that is in transition. He is in motion,

he is coming from heaven to the earth, and this meeting takes place as

soon as he crosses the threshold to your biosphere. That's exactly what the Greek

says. It doesn't say anything else. So with that in mind, especially

in one Dosum's chapter four, the final verse concludes with this comfort each other

without mentioning that you're going anywhere, because you're not. You're not going anywhere.

And this is why in the English it's very choppy, but the Greek

is very plain. You aren't going anywhere. That's why it mentions no destination

for you. You are at the location Christ is coming to you. When

He comes to you, you are changed in the twinkling of an eye.

So with that in mind, this can be very upsetting to people because this

would this would make people think, well, we know when that is.

We know what happens with the return to Christ. Every living creature, every

inanimate object knows when Christ, our King blasts through our upper atmosphere. Everybody

knows to everything, and everybody knows that. That's painfully evident in Revelation chapter

nineteen and twenty. There's no debating when Christ gets back. He doesn't do

it under the cloak of any secrecy. He come back with the bang.

The Bible never states anything else, never states no secret return. So with

that in mind, this can make people upset. You're setting there thinking to

yourself, so you're saying, we're gonna go through the tribulation. Well,

no, doesn't mean that at all. That's not what God says, and

what God says that's what's important. That's what's gonna happen. So if he

does make references to you not going through this great tribulation, there's nothing like

it. Christ states this emphatically in Matthew chapter twenty four. There's no event

like this in history. So yes, he was speaking iochronalle. Christ was

in Matthew twenty four. Because we do know that what he described did happen

in seventy eighty over the course of forty two months. Yes it did.

It started in sixty six at mid sixty six and last to seventy eight eight.

Yes, it last forty two months. So everybody knows that that time

in seventy eight was it was described there. But he stated that it would

be worse than any time in history, so we know he was speaking nicer

Cronley, this time is coming. That being the case, why are we

going to go through the Great Tribulation? Well, we will be alive and

we will remain into Christ's return. That doesn't, however, mean we're going

to be out there in the outer darkness. We're going to be We're going

to be in a place where all the judgments are are taking place. Doesn't

mean that at all. It means God's going to take you someplace, just

like he states in multiple multiple verses, multiple chapters, He's going to relocate

you. More importantly, he's going to segregate you, is what He's going

to you. He's gonna segregate you, and that means that for the duration

of that Great Tribulation, you're segregated. That's what he says. That's what

he means. So when his son returns, When his son returns, you're

here, You're within the atmosphere, you're within your biosphere, and he comes

to you. Because what does it state from the beginning a man will leave

his parents? Right? Jose? Yes? Does the devor say that the

woman will leave her parents? No, it says the man will leave his

parents and Bethoven to his wife. Amen. Amen. Do you think this

is going to happen any other way than that? No? No, no,

And God makes himself perfectly clear. God stays in heaven. Christ comes

back and he rules for a thousand years. Why God the Father is in

heaven? Correct? Yes, And at the end of that thousand year reign,

God come down and recreates everything right. Right, That's what he always

says. He doesn't say anything else. So can we prove that in the

Bible? Hoose? Yes, Matthew, most definitely. Hey, let me

ask you this. You're pretty familiar with the Old Testament text, I take

it. Yes. Are you pretty familiar with the first five books, that

is to say, the pentitouke, Are are you familiar with that? Yes?

How about the major prophets? Yes? How about the minor prophets.

Yes, okay, so can you tell me who, what where? When?

Chapter and verse where God describes that all of his children come and join

him in heaven. I don't see that, Matthew. I read about the

Lord gathering his people. I read about him that taking them to a place

that he's made ready, that he's prepared. But I do not read about

him taking any of of his any of us into heaven. Well, I

concur with that. There is no chapter verse you can go to where it

ever describes his church, his ecclesia, this great, big mass under the

heavens. And we must be talking about now you're talking about people. Let's

just be safe, let's be very conservative. Let's just use the numbers of

Christians since Christ till now. Would we be talking about millions? You must

be talking about billions, right, I mean, right now we got seven

billion. That ain't nothing. All the Christians from just the time of Christ

till now. You're talking about hundreds of billions, Yes you are. When

you add all those up, there is no mention of any sizeable group anywhere

going to heaven. The only thing you can target anyone that would presume to

aspire to do such things is very bad. That's of course that chapter in

Isaiah's Isaiah chapter fourteen, and it makes it perfectly clear that only your enemy

would aspire to ascend the heights of heaven, right right. And we're also

told in Genesis tent right, Matthew, when they're building the Tower of Babble,

they're trying to build it to heaven. And the Lord didn't like that.

No, he didn't like that at all. So let's see if we

can put some verses together. So I'm going to start this shendig Off.

You know, what does God's God say about his restored remnant. Let's go

to Isaiah chapter eleven, Verses eleven and twelve. This is pretty plain,

it's pretty to the point, and it makes itself best known because he states

right up front that he has done this again. So whatever he's going to

do the second time, you're supposed to know he's going to do the exact

same thing. Then it will happen on that day that the Lord will again

recover the second time with his hand the remnant of his people who remain from

Asiri Egypt, at those kush Elemshnar hey Man and from the islands of the

sea, and he will lift up a standard for the nations and assemble the

banished ones of Israel, and will gather the dispersed of Judah from the four

corners of the earth. Now, ladies and gentlemen, God was certainly not

trying to confuse you. He was telling you point blank range he has done

this before, and we know he did this. This is why the Book

of Exodus is written, right, Jose, Right, it's the whole point.

That's what it states. So you should realize what he's talking about.

The major crux of the event. This event happened at the crossing of the

Red Sea. Amen. Amen, that's when the event happened. That's when

this relocation happened. That's when he supernaturally stepped in divided them from us.

He segregated this right there, that's when we got segregated. There was them

and there was us. There was his children, there was everybody else.

There was Jacob, there was Esaul. God divided it and segregated them both.

You get this, You get this exact idea in well many chapters.

But take note, this is exactly what he says in Matthew chapter thirteen,

verse thirty. He comes right out and tells you. There. He states,

thus, allow both to grow, to gather until harvest. And in

the time of the harvest, I will see to the reapers. First,

gather up the tears and bind them in bundles. Now take note, they're

left in the field. This is the planet. Earth is the field.

Okay, let me say that again. First gather up the tears and bind

them in bundles to burn them up. But gather the wheat into my barn.

That's exactly what he just said. That's his intention, that's what he's

gonna do. So that's literally echoing the verses I just read, and that's

exactly what happened. You know, you'll take note there with the exodus,

this triggered massive events in Egyptian history because of course their army was laying at

the bottom of the sea. They were completely decimated, which loud for the

invasion and the incursion of the Hixos. Because they didn't have an army,

they were wiped out. So she will use this this type of phraseology in

reference to the whole planet again and again that yet at the same time,

I'm gonna take them out. So you should look for that too. Hose

your your thoughts. So the picture I keep getting, Matthew. And there's

lots of ways we could describe this, and lots of ways that the Lord

does in the Bible. But I keep being remembered when the Lord says he's

gonna gather us together like a hen gathers her chicks under her wings. Right,

That's that's the that's the phraseology that that I that I keep that coming

in my head today. And like I said, there's a million different ways

that the Lord says it in the Bible. And so yeah, when I

was, when I was a baby Christian, I admit there was some confusion

about you know, right where there's phrases talking about being led into captivity.

You read Revelation thirteen, and you're thinking, well do I have to do

go through that? You know, there's a little bit of confusion. But

again, like you just when you just went through in Matthew thirteen, and

when the Lord spoke about being a hen and gathering gathering his chicks, this

it just keeps repeating himself that he's gonna set aside a place for his people.

And just like you said in Exodus, in the Land of Goshen is

where his people were while Egypt was going through its plagues, and that,

to me is the biggest example for what the Lord has prepared for us.

And so once I finally understood all those verses, and then I came to

Revelation chapter twelve with the woman fleeing into the wilderness and being protected from the

dragon, it's just all made sense. It's just kind of all It all

follows a pattern for what he's going to do well exactly, and he states

that they're in Exodus chapter nineteen, verse four, I believe, let me

jump over there. If memory serves me correctly, I think it's verse four.

Yes, that's exactly what he says. You yourselves have seen what I

did to the Egyptians and how I bore you on eagles wings and brought you

to myself. So yeah, that in itself he refers to this as an

operation eagles Wings in Revelation chapter twelve, which you just mentioned, right,

And that's not the first time he mentions that. He states that there in

deuteronim chapter thirty two, verses eleven through twelve, literally states it just like

this, and he's talking about this is the Lord God, This is him,

and it stated in Isaiah chapter forty, verse thirty one. So he

states this many times that well, just like Matthew chapter thirteen is he stated

the reapers. There he called them reapers, and here he's using this angelic

symbology. And that's why I've always called this operation eagles Wings. That's what

he states, right, that's exactly what Revelation chapter twelve states. So absolutely

absolutely what you said. And it's got to be that way in no other

way. I mean, let's Isaiah chapter forty, verse eleven. Like a

shepherd, he okay, God's not trying to confuse you. This isn't Tom

Dick or Harry or Peter pauler Mary. Like a shepherd, he will tend

his flocks in his arms. He will gather the lamb, so here he's

using lambs and will carry in his bosom. He will gently lead the nursing

us just the same thing. Take note Isaiah chapter forty three, verses five

and six. Do not fear, for I am with you. I will

bring your offspring from the east and gather you from the west. I will

say to the north, give them up, and to the south, do

not hold them back. Bring my sons from Afar and my daughters from the

ends of the earth. Is that confusing to you, Jose, No,

that's pretty clear, Matthew. It's pretty straightforward. He just keeps going again

and again and again and again. Isaiah forty nine, verse eighteen. Lift

up your eyes and look around all of them. Gather together. They come

to you as I live, declares the Lord. You will surely put on

all of them as jewels and bind them on as a bride. Ladies and

gentlemen. There is no mistaking what he's doing. He himself is going to

gather you together. You should expect. Look Isaiah chapter fifty four, verse

seven. For a brief moment, I forsake, I forsook you, but

with great compassion, I will gather you. One thing should be noted here

before I go further, Jose. He's repeatedly saying gather right. Yes.

Did you hear him say change no? Like I stated before? First Krankians

chapter fifteen is quite clear. What Christ does. He changes us? Correct

correct First Thesalonians chapter four. Christ changes us and once again lady's them.

There's no there's no traveling involved, there is no destination given. I'm gonna

say it again. There's no destination for Christians in First Corinthians chapter fifteen or

First Thesalonians chapter four. There is no destination given because you're not leaving nowhere.

God is gathering you together someplace here on planet Earth. Somewhere he's preparing

a place. And that is to say, at least in creation. It's

somewhere in creation. He's making this protected place. Right, Jose, Right,

he is not changing as we are not well. The best way I

can put it is like I already put it, we are not being cloven

to Christ in that event. That's not what he's saying at all, not

at all. Let's stretched forward. Isaiah chapter fifty six, verse say the

Lord God, who gathers the dispersed of Israel, declares, yet others I

will gather to them, to those already gathered. So literally, take note,

ladies and gentlemen, the name Israel means whom God straightens because it begins

with a yacht. It doesn't begin with Sarah's name. Look at the Hebrew

when the word when the name Israel's given, it always begins with a yacht.

It comes from two Hebrew words to straighten and God's name l it means

whom God straightens. So literally, he's prophetically stating here that the Jews that

have become Christians and the Gentiles that have become Christian, they're all going to

come to one place, and by the way, they're probably going to be

surprised when they get there. Isaiah, chapter sixty, verse four, Lift

up your eyes round about, and see they all gather together. They all

come to you. Your son's coming afar, and your daughters will be carried

in the arms, ladies and gentlemen. He does not say. He is

not saying he's going to change you, Jose, Is it just me or

No, he does not say that, Matthew. And let's say this gathering

was to take place in heaven. Matthew, what would what would physically happen

to us if we were to enter Heaven in the state we are now without

being changed. I don't think. I don't think it would be a pleasant

experience for us. I don't think we'd make it past the threshold. No,

of course, you wouldn't make it. That's the whole that's the whole

reason we need Christ, right, that's the whole reason he has to change

us. That's the whole reason we have to become one with him, because

if we try to cross that threshold on our own, that's no go.

Well, the one serious problem you have, for it's one thing to be

like the Sons of Karrah. They entered Hades alive, right right, it's

a whole different ball game to enter the Lord, God of host chamber.

Because you're alive, you can't face him, Jose. Right, So I'm

just gonna tell you that up front. Don't ever try to get into heaven

because once you see his face, you're done. You will be obliterated from

creation. This is the whole reason why the only way you could face God

is if you've been clothing to Christ. Amen, you might the two must

become one flesh. Amen, Amen, literally speaking, Until you become one

with Christ, you're a dead man. The instant you see he who setteth

upon the throne, you're dead. You can't do that. Even Moses couldn't

do that. You understand, he had to turn his back and see God's

backside. God plainly said, you can't see my face or you will surely

die. Okay, so this is another mechanical problem you got there. Why

doesn't anybody talk about this, Jose, this is common knowledge that the living

cannot see he who set us upon the throne. That they can't or they're

God. Why isn't this ever talked about? Is this one of those elephants

in the room? I guess because after you read all the chapters. I

just pulled verses out of these chapters. You read those chapters. God,

lets you know what he's talking about. You're not you in any of these

texts? Does he mention? Does he mention the cherublem? Everybody knows about

the terrible entities in the Bible? Or maybe the Seraphim? Or are they

mentioned in these verse? No, Matthew, No, no they're not They're

not there. So listen, let's go to Ezekiel chapter thirty for I will

take you from the nations. Okay, let's look for a destination. What's

the destination? Does he say? Heaven? All right, write this down

Ezekiel thirty six, verst. Twenty four. What's the destination? For I

will take you from the nations, gather you from all the lands, and

bring you into your own land. He is giving you a promised place.

He doesn't get did he just say that he was going to take you to

heaven. Jose, you know he did not, Matthew, he did not

even that. There was no hint of that anywhere in that verse, anywhere

in the chapter. Okay, let's try Micah chapter four, verse six.

In that day, by the way, this is the great day of Hugh

set up upon the throne. This is the day of the Lord. In

that day, declares the Lord, I will assemble the lame. Oh,

we got to We've got some trouble here. Ose, riddle me this.

Do you think that in a state of having a handicapped body, a defective

body, do you actually think you'd go to heaven and be lane? No?

No, that that's ridiculous, right, ridiculous, right, right?

Okay, So that's that's one of the biggest things that that every Christian talks

about, Right, Matthew, I've heard since I was a kid, you're

you're getting your your with Some people call it a resurrection body. Some people

call it you know you're perfect your your your perfected body. But either way,

there's no way you're any and it in heaven with any any dislise you

currently have. Right, And the proper English term for that is to use

the Greek word anastasis. You're really talking about your anastasis anatomy. That's what

you're really referring to. That's what I refer to in written text whenever I

write, when I do documentations, I call it the anastatious and the anastasia

anatomy. It's the resurrection anatomy. That's not going to be lame. Let

me read the verse from start to finish, and that declares the Lord I

will assemble the lane and gather the outcast, even those whom I have afflicted.

And I'm sorry about that. Jose. You do realize that the Lord

he's God, right, Amen? And if you're blind, who signed the

order on that? God did? If you live, who signed the order?

Yep? The Lord your God. If you're lame, who signed the

order? Again? God? Because the Lord he is God? Amen.

Amen. So with that in mind, this is when people get into real

trouble in their escatology because they find it's not a systematic eschatology, especially when

they get to Isaiah chapter thirty five. Amen, Jose, Amen, Matthew,

yep. Because once again the Lord nips you in the bud Jose.

He takes whatever you're thinking, and he flushes that down the toilet, because

literally they're in Isaiah chapter thirty five, it is talking about the kingdom.

Matter of fact, could it be talking about anything else, Jose, No,

no, it's it's it matches exactly what we see at the end of

revelation. Yeah, you're, you're it's not talking about anything other than his

kingdom, and we're gonna talk about this. This is talking about No,

no, no, no, no no. This is talking about the return

of Christ. He differentiates himself, he who setteth upon the throne with his

vengeance, his vengeances, Christ his son. Picking it up in Isaiah chapter

thirty five, which is in the last chapter of the Book of the Apocalypse

of Isaiah, Verse four say to those with anxious heart, take courage,

fear not the hold your God will come with vengeance. The recompense of God

will come. This is Jesus. But he will save you. Then,

so not until the return of Christ, when you're clothing him, when you

go through the change, that's when this happens. Verse five. Then the

eyes of the blind will be open, and the ears of the death will

be instopped. Then the lame will leap like a deer in the tongue of

the newt shout for joy, Amen, jose Amen, Matthew. So if

there's a relocation event, you know that happens when the changing occurs. This

is literally saying that if this happens before the return of Christ, ladies and

gentlemen, I mean, what I just stated is the force. That's crazy.

Let's go to First Corinthians, chapter fifteen and let's take a look at

it. I know I've referenced it several times, but obviously I just need

to go and read it. When we go over here, this is when

this change happens. This is when it happens. Now, I say this,

brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God, nor

does the does the perishable inherit the imperishable. But hold, I tell you

a mystery. We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed.

There is no destination here. You are the destination. But we will

all be changed in the moment, in a twinkling of an eye at the

last trumpet. So this is Revelation chapter eleven, verse fifteen. For the

trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will

be changed. For this perishable must not put must put on the imperishable,

and the mortol must put on immortality. Everybody knows this. That's that's exactly

what we talked about, Matthew. That's exactly what said. So if this

happens before the return of Crash, we got problems. Let's go to first

Thessalonians, Chapter four, verse sixteen. Well, you know, let's let's

back it up a verse because we need to reference what he just talked about

verse fifteen. For this we say to you by the word of the Lord,

that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord,

will not proceed those who have fallen asleep, for the Lord himself will descend

from heaven with a shout at the voice of the archangel, and with the

trumpet of God. This is the last trumpet. Let me say that again.

This is taking place after Christ's coronation, and the dead in Christ will

rise first. Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together

with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so

we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore, comfort one another's with these

words. Take note this chapter does not end with the destination. You're not

going anywhere, because they just told you that listen, the dead in Christ

will rise first. Then we are alive and remain will be caught up together

with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. Your biosphere

begins in the upper atmosphere, right, Jose, Yes, this is your

containment. In English this is very chopping, but in the Greek it's very

plain. There is no destination because you are the destination. Once Christ enters

your biosphere, you're changed. Once he enters your habitable zone, you're changed.

So with this in mind, if there was something before Revelation chapter nineteen

and twenty that is the return of Christ. When I just read that chapter

to you that stated it that way, that Christ is God's vengeance, it's

his recompense, and he comes to save us, and that's when he changes

our body. That's when we go through this change. Not a transport,

it's a change, Jose. Do you understand, ladies telling you it's not

a transport. There was no destination mentioned in First Corinthians chapter fifteen or First

Thatsalonians chapter four, because that's not what happens at his return. God is

very clear in every verse that we've read this is something different. On the

Great Day of He who setteth upon the throne. This is God, the

Father. He gathers us saw one oh six, verse forty seven. He

says it again, save us, o, Lord, our God, and

gather us from among the nations to give thanks to your holy name and glory

in your praise. You're going to be gathered. You're not going to be

transported. You're going to be gathered by he who setteth upon the throne on

the Great day of the Lord. The Great Day of the Lord is not

the perushia of Christ. It states that again any visions the first chapter,

verse ten, with a view to an administration suitable to the fullness of the

times. That is the summing up of all things in Christ, things in

the heavens and things on earth in Him. You'll take no revelation. Chapter

twelve mentions that there's a great war in heaven when Michael and the good angels

are gathered to him, right, Jose, all right, So the angels

gather, they have war and kick out the bad angels the same time that

we are gathered. These things are once you read the scripture in its totality,

they all make sense because it never changes. But one good thing that

we've brought up here in multiple verse is, ladies and gentlemen, if you're

getting raptured to heaven, you're going to be lame and handicapped until you return

back to heaven. So you're in heaven and you return with cross hest and

then you're changed once you hit the upperpp the upper atmosphere. Jose, does

that make any logical sense? No, it doesn't, Matthew. And let

me tell you the verse that caught my eye Ezekiel thirty six, verse twenty

four. Or I will take you from the nations, gather you from all

the lands, and bring you into your own land. Now, in Hebrew,

that's the Hebrew word out of Mah right h. One twenty seven.

Okay, But in Greek, Matthew, that's G. Ten ninety three,

and that's the Greek word again. Right, And let me tell you the

first verse that word shows up in. Let's see if you know where that

what this verse is, Matthew. In the beginning, God created the heaven

and the earth. Right, that's right. The word for earth is that

exact same word that's in Exekuel chapter thirty six, verse twenty four, so

it doesn't say eratos in the Greek Matthew, it says again the earth.

Yeah, and there is no possible way what the Greek is talking about is

some land in heaven. Right. No, No, it's not. It

can't be added tomologically speaking, it can't be in Greek or Free. That's

why I stated it very plainly. When you read First Corinthians chapter five and

First Tusalonians chapter four, it never gives a destination, Jose. It never

does because the changing happens here. And it stated it in Greek, very

very plainly. That's why you have to say it in the way that people

can understand it. It says, once Christ enters your biosphere, you are

changed. That's when it happens. So if you go to heaven first before

you enter into this change, you're dead, right, You're dead. You

can't do it, You just can't do it. So literally what is described

here, And take note he made several references to distress. Right, Yes,

so when you go to Matthew chapter twenty four, it makes sense because

the birth pains come first, Jose. Right, right, This is another

thing that the Bible always states. It always states you're in distress. You're

in distress before he relocates you. It always states that we just read it

from Isaiah chapter thirty five. He made himself perfectly clear that you were under

duress, and he gathers here. Once you're gathered some place, then the

tribulation is going on because God has done something right, right, He's done

something and it ain't good. It's not good whatever he's done. So that

starts the tribulation. And most people don't realize this is exactly what first Desalonians

chapter five says, Is it not, Jose, have we not covered that

before? Right? It comes right out and tells you the day of the

Lord comes first and starts the tribulation. And God himself, that is to

say, he who setteth upon the throne, he will he will protect your

somch psyche numa. That's verse twenty three. Don't look at it in English,

it won't do you any good. Look at it in the Greek.

It's so mis psyche numa. God himself will get you too, in your

trinitarian nature. This is why you're made in God's image, will get you

to the perusia Christ which is at the end of the chapter. Correct whose

correct literally if we read first les Loans chapter five, it really does tell

you everything you need to know. It tells you literally everything you need to

know, and that takes most people by surprise. I don't realize that.

But you're not going through the tribulation. But you're not going to heaven.

That's bad. What's gonna happen is God himself comes off his throne. Daniel

chapter seven once again tells you the complete timeline. Daniel Chapter seven tells you

that during these birth pains, there are these four beasts that rise up.

It tells you at the end of that, God himself gets up off his

throne and comes to earth. He gathers you together aheright. It is to

say, he gets his reapers to bind up all the bad people and leave

them in the field to burn, and gathers his children to his barn.

Now take note, the Apocalypse of Isaiah also calls this God's vineyard. He

also states in other chapters he refers to it us God's sheep fold or sheep

pen. Some translations just use fold. He says it multiple times in multiple

ways, but he states this again and again again. So you're going to

be inside God's barn until Christ comes back. You're gonna be in God's vineyard

protected. It literally says you're protected moment by moment, right, Jose,

we've recovered, we've covered that chapter. Yes, he says God will tend

his vineyard moment by moment and then Christ comes back. So we got about

fifteen minutes left, Jose. Can you jump over there to first Thessalonians chapter

five, Yes, I can. I know we've done this before, and

it's it's it's just something we gotta do. Uh. This is well,

this is this is twenty eight verses. Just blow through it. Just read

it straight through, all right, And I'm reading it out of KJB because

that's what I have pulled up here in this little program. So very good.

First Thessalonians Chapter five. But of the times and the seasons, brethren,

you have no need that I write unto you, for yourselves know perfectly

that the day of the Lord cometh as a thief in the night. For

when they shall say peace and safety, then sudden destruction comes upon them,

as travail upon a woman with child, and they shall not escape. But

you, brethren, are not in darkness that that day should overtake you as

a thief. You are all the children of light and the children of the

day. We are not of the night nor of the darkness. Therefore let

us not sleep as do others, but let us watch and be sober.

For they that sleep sleep in the night, and they that be drunken are

drunken in the night. But let us, who are of the day,

be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love, and for a

helmet the hope of salvation. For God has not appointed us to wrath,

but to obtain salvation by our Lord, Jesus Christ, who died for us,

that whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with Him.

Wherefore, comfort yourselves together and edify one another, even as also you do.

And we beseech you, brethren, to know them which labor among you

and are over you in the Lord, and admonish you, and to esteem

them very highly in love for their work's sake. And be at peace among

yourselves. Now we exhort you, brethren, warn them that are unruly,

Comfort the feeble minded, support the weak, be patient towards all men.

See that none render evil for evil unto any man, but ever follow that

which is good. Both among yourselves and to all men rejoice evermore, pray

without ceasing, and everything gift thanks for this is the will of God in

Christ Jesus. Concerning you, quench not the spirit, despise not prophesyings,

prove all things, hold fast that which is good, Abstain from all appearance

of evil, and the very God of peace. Sanctify you holy. And

I pray God, your Holy Spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto

the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. Babel is he that calls you,

who also will do it? Brethren, pray for us. Creet all the

brethren with the holy kiss. I charge you by the Lord that this epistle

be read unto all the holy brethren. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ

be with you. Amen. So this chapter literally nips it in the bud.

It literally told you that the great day of the Lord, the great

day of you who sits upon the throne. Verse two. For you yourselves

know full well that the day of the Lord will come, just like a

thief of the night. He literally goes on to say that this starts the

tribulation right and at the end, make no mistake what the Greek says here

literally right here in verse twenty three. Now may the God of Peace himself

sanctify you entirely in your spirit, soul, and body be preserved. This

is how you're making it through this one two hundred and sixty day tribulation,

be preserved, complete without blame, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

This in Hebrews or in Greek says the Perusia, the perusia. This

is Revelation chapter nineteen and verse twenty or chapter twenty, the return of Christ.

There's literally no ground to stand on if you're saying anything else. Hose

right. It was simple. It cuts straight to the chase. He literally

told you, God the Father's going to do exactly what he stated in all

these verses about gathering that we stated that. We said, He literally come

right out and told you this is how it's going to be. It's not

going to be another way. So this is the answer to all of your

questions. You are not going to be raptured to heaven. You are going

to be relocated. God is going to gather you to a safe location somewhere

here in creation. When Christ gets back, you will be changed. Once

he enters your biosphere at the end of forty two months, at the end

of one thousand termed sixty days tribulation. That's what he always stated. There

is nothing else we can read from Jose that literally states anything else. I

mean, this idea of being raptured to heaven has always been propagated as a

secret event, right right now. Do you have any problems with a secret

event? Yes, Matthew, because the Lord God tells us what is to

come, He's not going to make it a secret. Well, I can

say this, I'll quote directly from him. This is proof beyond any shadow

of doubt. There is no secret event in eschatology. That is not systematic

eschatology. That's not what any verse says in the Bible. This is what

it says Amos chapter three, verse seven. Surely the Lord God does nothing

unless he reveals his secret counsel to his servants, the prophets. I'm going

to say one more time, if you've heard about a secret rapture to heaven,

it is existentially a bold face lie. There is no secret translation to

heaven. Ever, that's never what God says. There is no secret event

in eschatology. If you can't find a secret pre tribulational rapture in Isaiah,

Jeremiah, Lamentations, Ezekiel, Daniel, the twelve Prophets, the Psalms.

If you can't find it, it does not exist. Hose do you concur

with that? Yes? I do, Matthew. Is there any way theologically

speaking, you can get around Amos three to seven? No, Matthew.

The whole reason I believe Revelation chapter twelve is because what God has revealed through

his prophets throughout the whole Bible. That's the only reason I believe Revelation chapter

twelve, because it imagines exactly what He said before. And we certainly covered

quite a few of those verses here, right, So let us be quick

and let us be sure this is what we are saying. Beyond any shadow

of doubt. You can get the entire timeline from Daniel chapter seven. It

literally comes out and tells you everything, and even tells you when Christ is

coronated. It tells you when Christ is coronating that coronation hasn't happened yet.

Now this is hard for everybody to believe. But if He had been coronated,

ladies and gentlemen, why aren't you in the Kingdom of Heaven. Yet

when the verses I just read to you pointed out that literally he said at

the trump did he not say that? Jose? Yep, Well, where's

the last trump? Jose. It's Revelation chapter eleven, verse for fifteen.

Ain't it right? I mean, last I checked. We can go there

and read it, ladies and gentlemen. When does Christ get coordinated? Okay,

let me say it one more time, slowly. When you be reading

from the New American Standard Bible ninety five update, Revelation, chapter eleven,

verse fifteen, which is the seventh trumpet, I'm not lying to you.

Then the seventh angel sounded and there with loud voices in heaven saying the kingdom

of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ,

and he will reign forever endeavor. Now, of course you've got a problem

with this because after this comes seven bold judgments, right, Jose, or

some translation say vile judgments? Right? Correct? So did the Bible just

say that Christ got coronated seven judgments before his return? That's exactly what it

just said. Christ gets coronated right here, Then seven bold judgments are executed

while he's on his way to impact the late great planet Earth. I mean,

that's exactly what we go on to read and twenty four elders who sit

on the thrones before God fell in their faces and worship God, saying,

we give thanks to you, oh Lord, our God, the Almighty,

Who are and who were? Because you have taken your great power and have

begun to reign. Did he stutter, Jose, Nope, So he don't

begin to reign until his coronation in Revelation, chapter eleven, verse seventeen.

That's what I've just read. I'm not lying to you. Let's go on

to verse eighteen. And the nations were enraged, and your wrath came,

and the time came for the dead to be judged, and the time for

reward your bomb servants, the prophets and the saints, and those who feel

your name small and great, and to destroy those who destroy the earth.

When does he do that? I keep saying it. Everybody knows when he

gets back. Everybody knows what happens when he gets back. It's Revelation nineteen

and twenty right, Jose, Yes, so he definitely wasn't stuttering here.

He literally made himself perfectly clear. If you go to Daniel chapter seven.

We don't have time to do it. I've only got six minutes. Well

wait a minute, I'm sorry the Lord, he's God, and i don't

know of anything better else I could be doing at the time, Jose jump

over to Daniel chapter seventh. Place. All right, So ladies and gentlemen,

take note that the birth Pains is when there's four beasts that arise on

this planet. Now take noe, They're not a single beast. These are

the literally stating. This is stating that these four writers gather together the entire

planet into four different groups. This is the birth Pains. This time ends

with the abomination of desolation. Now you can read about these four different beasts

that rise up, but they they form a single beast, and that is

described, of course writer here in verse eleven and twelve. But take note,

I'm going to start in verse nine. So after the birth Pains,

after the four writers, after these four beasts, after the Earth has been

divided into four great big kingdoms. Okay, this is what happened. God

does the six Seal event. All of a sudden, he gets back to

Heaven. That's about what he's getting ready to say. And he's not joking.

I kept looking until thrones were set up and the Ancient of days took

his seat. His vestiture was like white snow, and their hair of his

head was like pure wool. His throne was ablaze with flames. Its wheels

were burning fire. A river of fire was flowing and coming out from before

him, and thousands upon thousands were attending him, and myriads upon myriage were

standing before him. The court sat and the books were open. Then I

kept looking because of the sound of the boastful words which the horn was speaking.

I kept looking until the beast was slain and its body was destroyed and

given to the burning fire. As for the rest of the beast, their

dominion was taken away, an extension of life was granted to them for a

pointed period of time. He just told you what's gonna take place during the

one two hundred and sixty days between the time when he gets back to heaven

and takes his seat and then one thy twenty sixty days later. What happens

in verse thirteen. This is when the coronation happens. Once again. I'm

gonna say it slow. This coronation is in Revelation, chapter eleven, verse

fifteen. Yes it is. I kept looking in my night visions, and

behold with the clouds of heaven one like the son of Man coming, And

he came up to the Ancient of days and was presented before him. Now

listen, I pointed out to you exactly what verse seventeen of Revelation chapter eleven

stated. It's going to say the exact same thing right here. This is

when Christ is coronated verse fourteen. And to him was given dominion, glory,

and a kingdom, and all the peoples and nations in every language might

serve him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion and which will not pass away,

and his kingdom is one which will not be destroyed. Jose, Was

that clear your progression of chronological events? Yes, Matthew, it cannot be

debated with amen? Right amen. Was God trying to confuse you and Daniel

Chapter seven? No, he stated what he's always said. He literally rephrased

Matthew twenty four. So take note, ladies and gentlemen, you're going to

go through the birth pains. Then God the Father is going to show up.

He's going to gather you to a secure location he calls his barn in

Matthew, Chapter thirteen, he calls it his vineyard. Revelation. Chapter twelve

states it's it's a place that He's prepared for you. And one two or

ninety days, that span forty two months goes by, and then Christ gets

back. And once he punches through your biosphere, you go through the lagus

mathia and you're changed. And there in your biosphere, you will never be

separated from Christ. Ose, are you pretty clear on that? That's pretty

clear, Matthew. That's what the Lord has repeated throughout the whole Bible,

the whole of his word. He said it over and over again. Literally,

that message is literally a recycled message. It's just recycled, so believe

it or not, Jose or at the top of the hour, and so

it's time for closing comments, your thoughts. You know, Matthew, I

have the privilege, and I guess the grace of never being taught this as

a child, this doctrine or this tradition. So I don't have that clouding

my judgment as I'm reading through the Bible. So I have some some what's

the word I'm looking for sympathy for people that have been taught this their whole

life, Matthew, and believe it right and put their hope in it.

And the only reason why we're exploring this and trying to edify the body is

to really help people understand that we're going to go through the birth pains,

that we need to be expecting this, and that the Lord has told us

we're going to go through this, and that our faith needs to be able

to help us endure this. And the way you strengthen your faith, Matthew

is by reading his word. And when you read his word, he tells

you over and over repeatedly what he's actually going to do and put your faith

and what he's put in his word, from Isaiah, from Exodus, from

Ezekiel to Revelation, the First Thesalonians, all the chapters in the Bible,

he said the same thing over and over and over. You got you got,

Matthew, or the Lord himself. He tells you what he's gonna do.

He tells you what is to come, and just let that be your

faith, let that be your strength. You know, we've all we've all

been taught things as kids, Matthew, growing up in the church, and

it's up to us as as adult Christians. Right, we're not baby Christians

anymore. We're eating meat. It's up to us to investigate his word and

search these things out, Matthew, and prove them true or not true.

So those are my closing thoughts, and all I'm asking is that if you

have questions or doubts about whether it's a rapture or a relocation, just keep

reading and the Lord will show it to you. Well. I can concur

that with the final verse of First Bestlonians chapter four, the there is no

destination. You are the destination. The man shall leave his parents and cleave

to his wife, and the two will become one flesh. You are the

destination. That's why there's no destination for you mentioned in First Corinthians fifteen or

First Thessalonians chapter four. Verse Thessalonians chapter four ends with this, once you're

changed verse eighteen. Therefore comfort one another with these words. Therefore comfort one

another with these words. Jose, please take us out of here in prayer.

Dear heavenly Father, whom we love and serve, once again, I

give you thanks and praise for allowing us to get together, for allowing us

to read your word. And for allowing us to be edified by your holy

Spirit. Father, we asked that those that have questions about what is to

come, that those that have questions about various traditions or various doctrines that they

have been taught. We just asked that you open their heart's, Lord,

and allow them to read your word so you can show them what is to

come. You've put it all there for us. You've sent your son to

teach us, you've sent your prophets, you've sent your angels to deliver this

message repeatedly. Father, and I asked that you continue to do so so

that more people can be gathered to you, Lord, for we know that

you seek that one lost sheep, and we ask that you allow these programs

to fulfill your work. Lord. And we ask all this in the name

of your son, our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. Amen, Amen

and Amen. Till next time, ladies and gentlemen, God bless, God

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