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082 Tammy Blue Testimony

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  1. Do you know the Bible is God's Holy Word? Do you know it is

  2. inspired, in errant, and infallible? If so, like, share,

  3. subscribe and support this podcast. So we are Maranatha Ministries and now Reduction Draweth

  4. Nigh. Welcome, ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to the program. I am

  5. your host, Matthew. Tonight we are doing another testimony, this time from

  6. our sister Tammy. So she has been with this ministry for over a decade,

  7. and what a wonderful ride it's been. I've seen a lot of change

  8. out of Tammy and a lot of growing and a lot of interacting, and

  9. it's amazing what has taken place, the amount of growth that she and I,

  10. our relationship has had over the past over over ten years. So Tammy,

  11. you have the floor and give it to a straight Just give it to

  12. as how it is, so you've got the mic. Well, when I

  13. was a little girl, I felt very spiritual things. In fact, when

  14. I was about three or four, I had thought that I hadn't seen a

  15. tooth fairy, and it was this being that was glowy, glittery and one

  16. glowe care with like glowy dust around it, and I ran to tell my

  17. mom and she's like, you're sleeping. You were sleeping and you're just dreaming.

  18. And I was pretty sure I saw something. That was the very first

  19. time that I could see something. And then later on, my mom had

  20. this friend who had MS and she went around all these faith healers, so

  21. I had I had encountered that experience where she kept going seeking healing and then

  22. you kept telling her, well, you're in sin because you're not getting healed.

  23. You're smoking, that's why you're not getting healed, that kind of thing,

  24. and it devastated her. So I kind of lost faith in that that

  25. the healings could take place because of that experience. And I watched a lot

  26. of Evangelista on TV as I was getting older, you know, and I

  27. believed I got saved by all these things because being taken my mom taking me

  28. to church all the time when I was little. So every time there was

  29. an altar call, I was like the first one up there because I wanted

  30. I wanted to be saved, I wanted to be with the Lord. And

  31. then that book came out late Great Planet Earth with Hal Lindsey and all of

  32. that information about the rapture and the Mark of the beast being like a bar

  33. code and all that I learned about through reading those kinds of books. But

  34. it gave me nightmares because my dad wasn't saved quote unquote, although he grew

  35. up with Lutheran and the Lutheran Church, he wasn't saved because he wasn't going

  36. to the Pentecostal churches. He didn't have that born again experienced like I had

  37. been hearing about. And so I had nightmares. My dad's gonna get left

  38. behind. You know, we're gonna get taken. My dad's gonna be here

  39. by himself. So something to sit right with me then, But I kind

  40. of let it go, and it's side because when you get to your teenage

  41. years and you start hanging out with kids and getting through some of that rebellious

  42. period of time. But then when I met my husband and I started having

  43. kids, I went back to church. They were little, and you know,

  44. I wanted them to go to church and learn about the Lord. So

  45. we went all the time. In fact, I even was singing in a

  46. choir. However, my husband was not a well man. He had PTSD

  47. from military service, so there was a period of time when I had to

  48. get in order for protection, and I just went through so much grief and

  49. because I had that experience where I didn't think God healed people, you know,

  50. I kind of lost the faith and went into another big, huge kind

  51. of rebellion. But it made me vulnerable. I had a dream, now

  52. this is a series of dreams, when I was putty at a low lower

  53. point, wanting to get out, and I in my dreams, I felt

  54. this every day like I had a succession where I relived a lifetime and in

  55. each lifetime it was always with the same person, Like I felt like I

  56. had a soul mate out there. And that's I know that's totally not scriptural

  57. now, but at the time I believed it because it was so real and

  58. it downloaded into my psyche all these things that I could do. In fact,

  59. like with I want to say, it had dragons and magic and witchcraft

  60. and all this like Merlin, all that stuff, and it felt real like

  61. I could, you know, like I was living it. So that set

  62. me off on a on a path where I got into some serious trouble,

  63. got away from the Lord and went into big rebellioushed time. And during that

  64. time there were periods where like I had a car accident. I felt like

  65. if I had died in that car accident, I was going to go to

  66. hell because I was in such a rebellious I knew in my spirit that because

  67. I was living in a rebellion, I would not go to heaven, even

  68. though I had accepted Jesus when I was a girl, when I was little,

  69. so I knew that something was wrong. But it took me asking the

  70. Lord to get me out of that situation for me to get out of the

  71. situation because I had a scar on my psyche from those dreams. And it

  72. was about two thousand and seven when I graduated college and the economy collapsed.

  73. I couldn't find a job, and we went we went on a vacasion.

  74. That's when I had started asking how to get me out of the mess I

  75. was in. So that was a turning point, or started that turning point

  76. because I wasn't ready to get myself out of of it. God removed the

  77. situation from me, and I kept trying to get myself back in it,

  78. like kind of getting back into chill because I had believed so strongly those dreams,

  79. and it was terrible because I had to fight that in my own mind

  80. that I had to fight that battle in my mind, and you know,

  81. realizing what was going on when that earthquake in Japan happened, I'm like,

  82. oh wait a minute, you know what time's getting short and all that stuff

  83. that I was doing. If I had if I you know, God's going

  84. to bring jesuit. I need to get right with God. So I started

  85. seeking different ministries and I was listening to like La mar Zuli, and that's

  86. when I found your ministry, and it clicked with me because you you were

  87. teaching well that that perhaps your thing isn't you know, that's a that's that's

  88. another story that we don't need to you know. It clicked with what you

  89. were saying, with what I had already felt was wrong, that they were

  90. teaching wrong. And so the more I listened to you, the more hungry

  91. I got to get right with the Lord and to change my life around and

  92. to learn what the truth was. So I am extremely grateful for you and

  93. your ministry because I've learned so much and come back full circle to being right

  94. with God and wanting that for my children. And I'll tell you, I

  95. am grateful my children are aren't coming to church, and not not all of

  96. them are less because I still have kids that well I'm not sure about,

  97. but I keep praying for them too. But what I did doesn't curse them,

  98. if you know what I mean. So yes, yes, I know

  99. what you mean. Those things can certainly be passed down not only to children,

  100. but they can be passed across the siblings. They can be passed up

  101. to parents and grandparents. And yeah, we've certainly prayed for your children for

  102. years now. Yeah for you and and your husband, we've also prayed for

  103. for him for years now. So you know, I need you to point

  104. out where this break was. So this break was in two thousand and seven.

  105. Well it started then, yes, yes, but it took a long

  106. time for my my thinking to change because I had I had that in my

  107. brain that was so strong, like it just you know, I didn't want

  108. to let it go, and it was hard to get away from that.

  109. When they when they put something like that like downloaded into you and you think

  110. it's real, it's hard to it's hard to break it off of you.

  111. And I don't think I was wearing the forearmer of God. Obviously it would

  112. have protected me if I had nailed that. But like when I was in

  113. college, I'll tell you some of the things I did. I got into

  114. shamanism and all of that, and I can tell you that stuff. It's

  115. scary. It's scary because you can be attacked in your dreams. It can

  116. be physically like puled out of your body. Like you don't want to have

  117. these things happen to you. So what I'm saying is trying to warn people

  118. not to do these things, to get away from it. If you're attracted

  119. to new age or alternative healing or any of that stuff, don't even start.

  120. Don't even start. Don't look for the grasses greener On the other side,

  121. I got to the point where I put a person above God. God

  122. had to take that away for me to see what was going on with me

  123. and for me to seek Him and to seek healing and to seek forgiveness and

  124. to repent. I had to be broken. I had to be shattered,

  125. yeah, completely shattered, to be remade. And so I take it that

  126. your marriage survived this event. Yes, And I'm grateful and I'm blessed because

  127. David, my husband, he is a good man. He's a good husband,

  128. he loves his children, he loves me, and despite what happened to

  129. him, he believes in the Lord. And you know when he was when

  130. he was well, was hey boo. Because now he's got dementia. So

  131. I'm just gonna say that the dementia helped him to not remember bad things that

  132. happened to him. But before that, he was seeking the Lord. He

  133. was listening to different ministries, like I'll just name the one that he would

  134. he would order tape from Jack van Impi and he would listen to them,

  135. you know. So he does. And he even now when he was coherent

  136. enough to buy stuff, he'd like ordered a clock that would chime scripture.

  137. So I mean, he just he loves the Lord too. He does believe,

  138. so you know, he tries even though he's got dementia and he's got

  139. mental illness, he's still Yeah, it's it's the Lord. The Lord has

  140. us. Because I can see the blessings from all of this too, that

  141. God, despite everything, such a tremendous amount of blessing that we have because

  142. He's taken care of us through all of this. And so let me ask

  143. you this, So these dreams that you downloaded dead created an alternate reality.

  144. I felt like I had a past life, several of them that I relived

  145. them to the point where I woke up crying because I felt the emotions of

  146. them. I mean, it was so real, it was scary real.

  147. And was this just one night or was there no? Several nights? Yeah,

  148. several days, several nights in a row. Yeah, like about six

  149. of them or seven of them, I want to say, I can't.

  150. I can't remember how many now. But each one was a different lifetime,

  151. and each one had the same person in it, and I knew, I

  152. knew, like I knew their spirit or their soul, and I actually ended

  153. up meeting what I thought was that person who also remembered the same things as

  154. I did. Now it was even more scary. Yes, like not only

  155. attacked me, but they had that person as well. They now want one

  156. person the same thing into another person. So yeah, let's be clear here.

  157. How long were these memories? You mean a whole life? You you

  158. got a whole life downloaded into you? Well, like the highlighted parts,

  159. yes, the main parts, And what I remembered were the most emotional parts,

  160. Like I could remember what I was wearing, I you know, how

  161. things looked, how things felt, you know, like being somewhere and feeling

  162. like this the stone wall, sitting where I was sitting and everything it was

  163. vivid. Well, Kevin, what time frame was it, like within a

  164. period of about a week. I'm thinking it was about a week. Yeah,

  165. it was every day downloaded? Like, yes, that's not what I

  166. mean. In what historical time frame was this dream? Was it? No?

  167. No, They're all different lifetimes, different time tries, I would say,

  168. like prehistoric or medieval Europe, Japan, China, like the Western United

  169. States, like the Old West, you know, wild wild West. Yeah,

  170. just all these different eras. So what was going on in these dreams?

  171. What were you doing bad things? Was it normal things? Were you

  172. just hanging out the clothes? Yeh? Like in in a lifetime in Japan,

  173. I was it was like the showgun era, and I was in I

  174. remember sitting in a garden and it had like the cooy pond there and the

  175. wall around it, and it was like the castle, like the cat.

  176. I was like the princess in the garden, and I had a guard that

  177. was a showgun and there was a ninja in the tree kill me and decided

  178. not to kill me. And then that night, I went to bed,

  179. and he left a little you know those little paper things that they make,

  180. got little fish and cranes and stuff, and left it on my pillow,

  181. you know, on mycon to tell me he was there. Yeah. And

  182. then you you mean an oregon? Yeah, oh yeah, So inside the

  183. dream you went to sleep and woke up and found an origami from this ninja.

  184. Yes, but not in real life. This is in the dream still

  185. right in the dream. Well, yeah, that is highly suspect. You

  186. realize how highly irregular that is to be in a dream and go to sleep

  187. and wake up in a dream. Mm hmm. That's normally, that's normally

  188. not experienced. So that raises questions with me right off the bat. Something

  189. something was going on. So did you remember smells or tivatures? Yep,

  190. all of it. What's what's your explanation for these experiences? What do you

  191. think they were? The time I thought I was remembering a past life.

  192. That's at the time. Now I know that that's not scripturals, not biblical.

  193. It could only have come from an angelic entity that put those thoughts in

  194. my head because I know what God says. So that's how I want to

  195. warn people because if they don't understand what these things can do, they could

  196. fall off like I did and go the wrong way and be be so deceived.

  197. And that I feel like that's coming. That's coming for a lot of

  198. people. When these beings come, they're going to make people see, think,

  199. and feel what they want them to. Well, you know, damning.

  200. The real problem with that is, this is exactly what happened to John

  201. on the Isle of Patmos. This is exactly what happened the Lord Jesus Christ

  202. gave this message to the angel. The Angel went to John and literally downloaded

  203. the whole thing in his brain. John never less left the prison cell.

  204. Mm hm. So this is part and parcel with what they do. They

  205. can they can do this, and it's very scary that people. It's amazing

  206. how many people you discuss, you know, the end times with and you

  207. brought a jet, Jack van Impey. That ministry, most major ministries,

  208. fail to relay this information that there is coming a time in the future that

  209. one third of the angelic host are going to be trapped here and this is

  210. a series is disservice to their parishioners. It's a serious disservice that these people

  211. don't understand. For some reason, they think that during the Great Tribulation,

  212. it'll still be blue skies and it'll still rain, and they'll still be flowers

  213. blossoming. They just don't get it. They don't realize how bad things are

  214. really going to be. And this is one of the primary things that they

  215. avoid, this aspect that the fallen angels will be here and they will do

  216. to you whatever they want. Yep, And people just don't they can't grasp

  217. that, and it really is troubling. So how did you react whenever you

  218. found this ministry? Now, how did you find me? With La Marzouli?

  219. Did I interview him or did I do something with him? At the

  220. time, I think you were doing a show together with him. I can't

  221. remember what it was now because it was a long time ago, and it

  222. was with you're going to do a conference with him in standio. I remember

  223. that. Yes, yeah, that's the time period that I started listening to

  224. you, and everything you're saying just made sense. Well, that's one of

  225. the biggest messages that of this ministry, It always has been. One of

  226. the biggest talking points of this ministry is the simple fact that the Bible makes

  227. sense. It is not designed to confuse you. And that was one of

  228. the things that whenever we first talked privately, you and I, that's one

  229. of the things that was really impressed upon me, that you had been quite

  230. confused. Something had scrambled your brains. Yes, something wasn't right. So

  231. it took some time for us to well, we had to develop a relationship.

  232. I knew I had to develop a relationship with you or and which raised

  233. great concerns with me. This ministry had to take the time to cultivate a

  234. relationship with you, and that was a very dangerous thing. So there were

  235. several times where you sent me messages, There were several times when we talked

  236. on the phone. You had lots of questions. You know, this must

  237. have been a really tenderfoot time for you as you were still healing from this

  238. process and trying to understand what happened to you, that something had it had

  239. really altered you, and not only you, but somebody else and had orchestrated

  240. that you two met, which of course meant that they were in the same

  241. location. So tell us about this. How far away was this other individual

  242. that you met had met in your dream? How far away from you.

  243. Did they live? Were they in the same town, the same state,

  244. six hour drive but the same time zone? Well, how on earth did

  245. you meet them in person? We set up to meet, so, ah,

  246. you set up to meet. So how did you stumble across this person

  247. online? I take it playing game? Playing a game really, so this

  248. conversation just came up and you discussed this dream with them, and they said,

  249. why had that same dream? No, well, how did that?

  250. We talked and the things that he was saying and made me feel like I

  251. knew this person, and I just knew, I knew like I knew,

  252. And then that's what started us talking about the other stuff, because you know

  253. that it was it was a relationship that let's just say it was sinful relationship,

  254. okay, because I you know, I was in sin at that time.

  255. So I don't want to say too much about it other than the fact

  256. that that actually got me into a whole lot of mess, and I would

  257. rather you know, I'm not that person anymore, and I know those things

  258. didn't happen. Then it wasn't real. So I've moved on from all of

  259. that. But it took a long time for me to realize what it was,

  260. well, you know, this was this was obviously not normal that you

  261. wound up playing the same game with this this person, I do believe.

  262. So, yes, yep, well this was you realize this was going somewhere.

  263. I mean, it sounds like to me that this entity had plans to

  264. systematically destroy your entire life. I know. It's very scary. So yes,

  265. that is extremely scary. That's that's really that that's really disturbing. So

  266. it's even more when I think about I'm nobody, Like I am literally nobody.

  267. I don't have a ministry, I don't have you know, a business

  268. or people that you know. Listen to me that I could influence other than

  269. my own children. I don't understand why it chose me, but it did.

  270. And if it could choose me just to be picking on me, it

  271. could pick on anybody because I'm nothing. So did you have anything else happening

  272. happen let's just say around you. Was there any paranoral activity? Yes?

  273. A lot of it. Yeah, can you describe some of it for us?

  274. Well, in my house, my children would see and hear things that

  275. weren't there, Like I would see the floating red eyes and all of those

  276. things. So there was definitely a a demonic I would say activity going on.

  277. I could that my children, you know, talk about to day.

  278. So so people were seeing things and hearing things ye both, mm hmm.

  279. So they were hearing screams or like a little girl's voice in the closet and

  280. that kind of thing. So did you have any objects moving, Not that

  281. I can recall, but I could, like I at one time I felt

  282. somebody touched my leg that wasn't there. That was very creepy. Yes,

  283. that would be very disturbing. So how old were your kids at this point?

  284. They were young, like I wanted to say, between the ages of

  285. like five for the next you know, from my youngest. And that period

  286. went on for a number of years. Even when my niece came over because

  287. she lived with us her house, she could hear them those things too.

  288. So I can't I can't even recall. It had to be at least,

  289. you know, ten years or more that that all of these things were around

  290. until I got right, you know, with the Lord, because it was

  291. just I think it was there for letting us know it was there. I

  292. don't know what else to say about it. So did you try moving?

  293. We did move. Yeah, But the thing is, we built the house

  294. we lived in. Nobody had lived in that house before us, so that

  295. was a brand new house. Yep. So you moved and the entities followed

  296. you or not? No, I can't. I can say I don't think

  297. it ever. I'd never experienced anything after we moved. I see. So

  298. you know where do you think this came from? Do you think this came

  299. from the shamanism stuff? Do you know? I think there were some things

  300. attached to my husband because of his PTSD and mount telling us what he did

  301. in the military and where he went. I see. So do you think

  302. that it's it is possible that the event horizon was your husband and it attached

  303. itself to you. Yeah. Yes. And then also not just me,

  304. but the other person I was talking about was also a witch and could do

  305. things, and I saw things around him that were definitely demonic, so he

  306. had attached to him too, So it could have, you know, been

  307. a combination of both, and I don't know. I'm pretty sure it was

  308. a combination. And your saving grace was the simple fact that you had been

  309. saved as a child. Now you're so your parents had taken you and raised

  310. you up in church? Yes, yeah, we when I was there little,

  311. we'd go, you know, my mom made sure we'd go to church.

  312. So how far away did she live from you at this time this was

  313. going on. Was she in the same town? No, my mother,

  314. Yes, they live They lived about an hour away. So did you ever

  315. tell your mother about these things? Not all of it, but she she

  316. knew some of it. And did she suggest prayer or anything? Did she

  317. suggest I prayed? I know she prayed the whole time. I know she

  318. did because she's told me. Yep, she's told me that she was always

  319. praying for me. Do you think that had something at holding whatever it was

  320. at they? Oh, yes, definitely. Did you ever think to contact

  321. a pastor or something to try to intervene? No? I was ashamed.

  322. I felt like because I wasn't saying, God didn't want to listen to me.

  323. In fact, I felt like I couldn't hear him anymore. Until I

  324. couldn't hear the Holy Spirit anymore until I repented. I couldn't hear him,

  325. I couldn't prayd him. I wasn't good enough, I was not clean,

  326. I was not right. So what dogs? No, that's that's perfectly fine.

  327. So eventually you did repent? What what triggered that? What what happened?

  328. Needing to be healed? I was broken. I went through such grief

  329. that I you know, I had no other way. I want either repent

  330. or kill yourself the moment. So you you'd finally got to that point where

  331. you were suicidal and you realized that was an endgame. Yep. Wow.

  332. So what has happened now that your kids have grown up? What's their ideas

  333. on it? And how do they feel about this whole thing? Well,

  334. we really don't talk a lot about any of it except for the things that

  335. happened to them and that it was We all agree that there was demonic activity

  336. in the house. But my kids, you know, my my youngest is

  337. starting to talk about God and stuff with me. And he's very private,

  338. he's introverted, and he doesn't talk a lot, but he's he's starting to

  339. talk about things that he believes, and he I know he does. He's

  340. got a girlfriend. He says it's about Catholic and they talk about religion,

  341. so I know he's he's got that for him going on. And I sent,

  342. like send him scriptures and things like that that he's grateful for. And

  343. he bought me a bedspread that had different verses on it from the Bible because

  344. he wanted me to sleep with that. So I know he I know he

  345. believes. And my son Daniel, he's my older boy. He goes to

  346. church with us, and he is he knows right from wrong so much that

  347. he's afraid to tell a lie, so put it that way. So I'm

  348. grateful for that too, Yes, that is that is something to be extremely

  349. grateful for. So my daughter doesn't talk much about it. But when I

  350. you talk about in him saying, she gets upset and doesn't want to talk

  351. about it. And I think part of it is because you know, my

  352. granddaughter, it's hard when you have a little one. But her husband will

  353. talk with me about it, so they he'll talk with me, but she

  354. won't. She's kind of she gets scared. And my niece that lived with

  355. us before, when she said she was an atheist when she first came to

  356. live with us, she came from a very dark place too, And now

  357. she says she prays to Lord and she feels better about things. So I

  358. know she's starting to believe too, because she wouldn't be praying if she wasn't

  359. telling atheists so right, that's right, that's that's kind of the opposite there

  360. being an atheist and praying. She's obviously had a had a moment that you

  361. probably don't know about, so that that's pretty amazing. So now that you're

  362. back in church, you know, you said the beginning of the program that

  363. when you were in church, they were teaching you a bunch of stuff that

  364. you knew wasn't right. So how is that working in the play now?

  365. So the church you're going to now you feel like they're teaching the right stuff

  366. or not. Well, I have to say that partly yes, partly no.

  367. And it comes to the raptures teaching and all of those things that they

  368. don't they're dispensationalists, raptures, tons of teachings that I know you know isn't

  369. right. But when you're talking about this that I think that they do talk

  370. about, but there's never an altar call like you know you need to have

  371. that, and I don't see that in the church anymore. That bothers me.

  372. It's all about the worship getting close to God. They have like the

  373. fivefold ministry, which you know they believe in that they believe, you know,

  374. that sort of Pentecostal things were speaking in tongues and all of that too.

  375. So yeah, that's about it. I don't have much to say other

  376. than I go to the church my mom picked for her sake more than my

  377. sake, and for my son to go into fellowship. That's more what I

  378. get out of it is the worship and the fellowship than the teach. And

  379. that's what you should try to get up. That that's the important stuff.

  380. The eschatology is not really of any value. I mean it is. It

  381. is of value because you know the Lord is going to show you what is

  382. to come. I mean that is just a force of habit you. If

  383. you get into God's word, you're going to be stained by prophecy. He

  384. is going to tell you what is coming. And that's just a force of

  385. nature. And obviously you've gotten well acquainted with God's word since two thousand and

  386. seven, right m M. I mean I would say, I would say

  387. you you know a whole lot about eschatology at this point. So do you

  388. talk these things over with your mother? Yes? And what's her idea is

  389. She's she's dispensationalist. I take it. She gets a lot. She still

  390. has a lot of confused places because of so many years. She's in her

  391. seventies, and so you know, the more I tell her she agrees with.

  392. But then you know she'll listen to other teachers are back in the dispensationalist.

  393. So she gets a little confused, but she's listening more and more because

  394. I play you in the she's with me going to church, so she has

  395. no choice. I play this show. She has no choice. She's poor.

  396. She gets a nose of Matthew Miller. Well, I wouldn't suggest that

  397. for everybody might cause a condition. So you, at some point in your

  398. life you were born again? Mm hmm. Was this before all the mess

  399. or was it after the mess? I don't know how I could be born

  400. again and have that happen to me. That's that that would be. I

  401. don't know. I would say I had that calling, you know, But

  402. it wasn't until I fully repented that I feel like, I, you know,

  403. got clean with the Lord, because I I kept going, like I

  404. said, I just you know, I love the Lord. I knew that

  405. he had called I felt you know, close to him all the time before.

  406. But the more anguish and all that that happened to me. I knew

  407. I was far from him, going through the darkest time in my rebellion.

  408. I was so far related from him. So how can you be I don't

  409. know. It just doesn't seem like it like I was until after, right,

  410. I mean, that's what makes the viable sense, doesn't it. It

  411. makes sense that when you were younger, you were called and all of this

  412. stuff happened, and you had to come to Jesus moment and that's when you

  413. were chosen. This is an event horizon that you were a Christian beforehand,

  414. that is to say, you were saved, but you had never been born

  415. again, and that's obviously what happened. I mean, your testimony testifies to

  416. the facts that when you were younger, you had obviously been called, and

  417. it wasn't until later, until after this mess, that you were born again.

  418. You had this this experiential difference in your life, and once that happened,

  419. your whole life was literally transformed because this had been going on for a

  420. very long time. Yes, yes, So when did you eventually leave this

  421. house that you had built when we moved in twenty fourteen to a new house

  422. and you got clean in the new house, I would say that, you

  423. know, it was the process of it started in the old house where I

  424. was repenting of everything, and then by the time you were in the new

  425. house, when I had the moment of forgiving and being forgiven, that's the

  426. moment that I knew I let everything go because until I could get to the

  427. point of forgiveness of that of the other people or other person involved, I

  428. felt like I still had a link like a like a soul tie or something

  429. that had to be broken completely. Once that happened, I no longer had

  430. that. So I know that's the probably the moment when I had complete because

  431. I don't think you can be forgiven until you forgive, you know what I

  432. mean? Yeah, so I know what you mean. It's a reciprocal action.

  433. And that's important for people to know that if they're in this dark corridor,

  434. that corridor is literally going to go on forever until they put a stop

  435. to it, until they get to that crisis moment where they're at the bottom

  436. of the barrel. But it amazes me how people don't realize that you say,

  437. when the bottom of the barrel is you get to say that, And

  438. having worked with people in a homeless shelter for years. It's amazing how people

  439. don't realize that that you have the power to say no, this is the

  440. bottom right now from this point, I'm going up. It's amazing that people

  441. don't realize that this darkness that overshadows you, it tricks you into thinking that

  442. there's nowhere to go but further down. And that is the furthest thing from

  443. the truth. It's the furthest thing from the truth. If God had called

  444. you as a child, no matter how old you was, if he called

  445. you when you were younger, be well rest assured that if you cry out

  446. to him, he will intervene, and you would have to say, that's

  447. exactly what happened. He intervened. Correct, is the really other answer for

  448. it? No? And when he does it move, it moves fast.

  449. I mean he starts going fast. Even though the processes of my healing tic

  450. time, the circumstances started to change rapidly. You mean miraculously, yes,

  451. yes, Because many people confuse those two words. I mean just saying that

  452. things started picking up and happening rapidly. That is not a normal course of

  453. events. Obviously, the time prior to two thousand and seven. That took

  454. more than a few years, So people fail to realize that it's how fast

  455. something happens is a miracle in itself. And I am very thankful that you

  456. stumbled across this ministry, and I'm very thankful that you reached out to me,

  457. and I'm very thankful that we cultivated a relationship because it certainly has been

  458. worth it. Amen. Amen, Amen, I think I'm the one that's

  459. grateful. I am. And you've learned a couple of things along the way,

  460. right yep. So I remember first introducing you to the Strong's numbering system.

  461. So how long did it take you to go from just picking up your

  462. Bible and being lost to getting familiar with it and being able to look up

  463. Hebrew and Greek words? How long did that take? It wasn't too long

  464. because once you taught how to do it, I could do it on my

  465. own. Because of technology, it was pretty easy to do. You know.

  466. That was It's actually fun and thrilling to see the word open up like

  467. that, And with the other women in our ministry that I that fellowship with,

  468. and you know that we're all in this together, the sisters with me

  469. and learning and we share what we learn, and we feed off what others

  470. have learned, and one person will see something and share, another person will

  471. see something else and share it. And God works that way, and it's

  472. so amazing. It's such a blessing to have such a great group of women

  473. there that we support each other. So that's also come out of your ministry,

  474. and I am grateful for that. I'm very grateful for that. Even

  475. though, boy, this ministry's been it's been a rocky road the past fourteen

  476. years, hasn't it. It's been a real rocky road. You know.

  477. You say that you had a big event in twenty fourteen, right, and

  478. that's exactly when we had our big relocation event was the same year, correct,

  479. Yep. Yeah, And there's no way you could presuppose that that was

  480. just by coincidence, because it wasn't. And it's amazing to me that you

  481. just Happenstantley be in the pool and run into Leonard. Yes, there's no

  482. way that is coincidence. Obviously systematically and step by step God desired you and

  483. it didn't matter where you was at or what was going on. Step by

  484. step he got you where you needed to be. And that is the biggest

  485. miracle right there. It's not that you know, I taught you how to

  486. do the strong It's none of that garbage. What matters is that you were

  487. in a very very dark tunnel and God stepped in. You saw the light

  488. at the end of the tunnel, and you were able to get out.

  489. That's important. That's what people needs to know that God is still in the

  490. business of saving people. And you know you talked about your children. You

  491. know this ministry praise for your children and at least once a week correct,

  492. yes, yes, and the battle daily. Daily we pray for the widows

  493. and the children daily. Yes, daily, we do that. And it's

  494. important that that people need to know that that there is a ministry out there

  495. that you can get hold of. You can send us the names of your

  496. children and your grandchildren, and you can take this to the bank. Matthew

  497. Miller is faithful, and I'm going to pray for your children. I'm going

  498. to pray for your grandchildren. Not only that, I will direct us to

  499. pray for spouses be provided for them, which has happened on more than one

  500. occasion. And that's important. It's important that people know that there are ministries

  501. that care. They're really there, really is, and it's really important that

  502. you network with people and study God's work together. You have to get into

  503. his word together, and when you do, it will affect you, it

  504. will change you. Absolutely. Yes, So so I'm you know, I

  505. am very grateful for you, Tammy, and I always have been, and

  506. I appreciate your Well. My wife says that you're bold faced, honest Tammy.

  507. Just she just says how it is. She's not trying to be mean,

  508. she just tells you how it is. I heartfully agree with my wife.

  509. You're exactly correct. Tammy is straight to the point. She gets straight

  510. down to business. So well, that's a polite way of saying I have

  511. no filter. Yes, you have no filter, that's another way to put

  512. it. But you know, it is amazing that it takes all kinds right,

  513. Yeah, it really does. The Body of Christ is made up of

  514. many members, and every one of those members are detrimentally important, every single

  515. one of them. You know, we have all kinds of people associated with

  516. this ministry. You know, you talk about the sisters. It's amazing how

  517. diverse those group of sisters are, different states, different backgrounds, different economic

  518. standing. But it is amazing. How truly you group of ladies are above

  519. rubies. I'm going to say that you're above rubies, and I look forward

  520. to continuing this relationship and seeing you grow. And more importantly, here's of

  521. late. You know, your mother has had a really hard time. We've

  522. sunk a lot of prayer into her health. I look forward to those interactions

  523. as well. I love when you tell us about how your mother's doing,

  524. and you've got her back in church, and she picked a church. We

  525. went through this whole whole list of things when you were looking for a church

  526. for her. Those things are important. Your relationship with God should affect the

  527. members of your family. You bear testimony to that is true. Your relationship

  528. with the Lord has massively affected your family members from the deepest, darkest place,

  529. which was terrible. I mean, I'm just going to say it.

  530. I'm just going to a minute. It was terrible from that place. God

  531. has worked miracles with your family. Of this, there can be no doubt,

  532. and for that, I'm very grateful. I'm very grateful. So it's

  533. time for you to pray us out of here. Okay, dear Father,

  534. thank you so much for Matthew and his ministry. For his teaching and blessing

  535. us. Lord, and I pray that whoever is listening to this show,

  536. to my testimony to Matthew that is blessed by what was said here today.

  537. That let them know that no matter where they are, at the deepest darkest

  538. place, that you can pull them out of it. Father, if they

  539. just call out to you and cry out to you and their english and their

  540. grief, you will save them. You will deliver them, and you will

  541. be their God. They just need to repent. Father, Please, Lord,

  542. draw them to you now so they can while it is still an time

  543. to call to the Lord before no good deed can be done. In Jesus'

  544. name, I pray, Amen, Amen and Amen. Until next time,

  545. ladies and gentlemen, God bless God speed. Thank you for listening to Marinath

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