091 Fellowship: The Devil and Satan

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Draweth Nige. Welcome, Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to the fellowship. Tonight

we're going to be talking about the devil and Satan. So this whole thing

started from Jennifer. So, Jennifer, can you come on and bring us

up to speed as to why you asked me this particular question. If you

can't, that's fine, just let me know. I mean, I understand

you. You've got kids there, Matthew. She wrote in the Ecclesia chat

that Cody is not home and she would be listening. She'd have a hard

time participating tonight. Okay, all right then, no big deal. Well

thank you for speaking for her. So, Jony, do you remember exactly

what she said, because I'm I don't remember exactly how she put it and

how we got on this path. All I remember is that she asked on

I think it's the eighteenth of April when we were talking about we first started

the exposing the NASB. The first meeting and when we were talking about the

Day of the Lord, little horning in the Day of the Lord. And

at the end of that she asked that question, could we talk about the

difference between the ab blow and Satan? And Satan? Okay? And you

said, now right, that's that was an awful big thing to bite off

at the end of that program. So so tonight we're going to be talking

about this. This is an excellent question. What's the difference between uh,

the Greek and the Hebrew for Satan? Are they two different things? Is

it the same thing? This is a very good question to ask. And

more importantly, there is one point in the Temptation of Christ where Christ addresses

Satan directly. He gives him a command to get behind him. What is

that? What does he do there? Does he say Satan or does he

say diablos? This is key critical. So ladies, when when you bring

that up, and this is this is a really good way to do it,

Matthew. Chapter four, the first eleven verses, very good way to

do it. I'm going to read through here and point things out to you.

So verse one, then Jesus was led up by the spirit into the

wilderness to be tempted by the devil. This is not does not say Satan.

Here in Greek it says diablos. In verse three, you have a

switchover, so listen very carefully. And when he had fasted forty days and

forty nights afterward, he was hungry. Now then the tempter. Here's another

word. Here's the word that nobody brings up in this in this context.

But you have to because here Satan is called the tempter. That's H fifty

two fifty four to tempt, to try. So what does what does the

Delic's New Testament uses? That's what it uses right here H. Fifty to

fifty four. The Greek what Delics used to translate that from is G.

Thirty nine eighty five to tempt. So this is this is this is key

critical that you know. This is in the context too of the difference between

the Satan and the and the devil. So uh, reading on, well,

let me just finish the verse. Now. When the tempter came to

him, he said, if you are the son of God, command these

stones to become bred. But he answered and said, it is written man

shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the

mouth of God. Then the devil here we go again. This is another

time that the Greek says diablos, and here Delaits uses the Hebrew word ha

satan, you use a satan. So now we have it twice here in

this text that Delich is translating diablos. He's translating it into has satan or

satan. It of course has to prefix ay on it, meaning the the

satan. So here you're getting a track record. Now we have multiple times

that diablos is translated directly as satan in the Hebrew verse four. But he

answered and said, it is written, man shall not by live alone,

but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God. Verse five.

Then the devil, here we go again. The Greek here is diablos.

Delich translates this in the Hebrew as So at this point in time you should

pretty well know that diablos is the Greek crender ring for has satan. There's

no getting around it. Now. Then the devil took him up into the

Holy City, set him on the pinnacle of the temple, and said to

him, if you are the son of God, throw yourself down for his

written he shall give his angels charge over you, and in their hands they

shall bear you up least your dash your foot against a stone. Jesus said

to him, it is written again, you shall not tempt the Lord your

God. Verse saint again the devil. Here we go again in Greek.

This is diablos. What did Delich translate this into into the Hebrew a Satan?

So we're getting a pretty good track record here. What's going on again?

The devil took him up to an exceedingly high mountain and showed him all

the kingdoms of the world and all their glory. And he said to him,

all these things I will give you if you fall down and worship me.

Then Jesus said to him, away with you, Satan, for it

is written you shall worship the Lord your God, and him only shall you

serve. Here you get it switched up. Here is the Greek transliteration of

the Hebrew Satan that usually catches people by surprise when I say that, well,

what do you mean by that? You need to know that in the

Greek what you see as Satan of this actually two They actually use two different

strongs numbers. It's forty five, sixty six and sixty seven is a transliteration

of Hebrew. So literally, this is satanis in Greek. Now this makes

you set up, You like, wait a minute, stop the bus.

Why didn't he use this word every single time? Take note here he was

commanding Satan. It was commanding him. So at this point in time you

have to realize what Delic is doing here translating it correctly. Then you get

to this point, why on earth would Jesus not use diablos? Why didn't

he call him Diablos? Get behind me, Diablos? Why did he use

the Greek transliteration of Satan. This is a very important point. This is

stating that when he was directly addressing him, whether this was his name or

not, it's his nome am now because the Lord Jesus Christ called him Satan.

So take note. Okay, every other time in this text so far

it's been the Greek diablos, except when Jesus addresses him, and he addresses

him by transliterating pros sakan. He transliterates that into Greek. So no one

understands that's what Jesus Christ just did. It's key critical you understand what he

just did. He just named him. He just named him Satan. But

for all other intents and purposes, diablos is the direct translation from the Hebrew.

But when he vocalized Satan, he was commanding him. That's the difference

between these verses here. Now, this is the only time this Greek word

is used in this text. That's it. It's not any other time in

this text. Now that being the case, I mean, let's check out

verse eleven. Then the devil. We go back to diablos in Hebrew.

Here again Delitz translates it, Ha Satan left him, and behold, the

angels came and administered to him. So take note, Delich only uses one

word in this entire text. Delis exclusively uses ha Satan throughout throughout these eleven

verses. So it's very important that when you're looking at the two side by

side, and this is how I do it, and I understand that if

most people do this, it will scramble your brains. I mean, this

would really scramble. Well. Tammy was just now trying to print off the

links that I sent her, and the printer wouldn't do because it's Hebrew.

Because it's the coding is inverted. Hebrew is written the other way. So

the printer is confused. It can't do that. So it's important that you

knew that if you was to put the Greek next down to the Hebrew and

just throw away the garbage English, you'd have been able to immediately see what

Delic is doing. Delis is plainly saying that that Diablos is satan in Greek.

But when the Lord Jesus Christ addressed him, he addressed him in Hebrew.

If this is the first time you've ever heard this, you've really never

did a Bible study on the Evelyn satan. Now that being the case,

that that should bother you when you realize that, and not only this,

we have this strange instance in Matthew chapter sixteen, verse twenty three. And

this is a good place to go. It's a good place to realize.

Was this a special instance here? Is this just one place where Jesus was

just talking and he addressed him? Is this the only place that happens like

that? Well, no, it's not, Matthew, chapter sixteen, verse

twenty three. Well let me start in verse twenty two. Then Peter took

him aside and began to rebuke him, saying, far be it from you,

Lord, this shall not happen to you. But he turned and said

to Peter. Yet behind me, Satan, you are an offense to me.

You are not mindful of the things of God, but of things of

men. So this is pretty important. What did the Lord Jesus Christ?

What did he call Heeter? Did he call him diablos in Greek? Or

did he use the transliteration has satan? Yes he did, he used g

forty five sixty seven. Once again, in referencing to a direct entity,

he uses not diablos. Jesus says Satan transliterated into Greek. So now I

should have your gears turning. Now I should have your gear starting. This

is a witness to this account that Jesus is saying this entity's name is Satan.

He's giving it a name it Otherwise here, when addressing Peter, he

would have accused him of being a diablos. He didn't. So this is

probably pretty overwhelming for a lot of people. A lot of people don't realize.

No, no, wait a minute, you're saying that there is a

word diablos in Greek and a word Satan in Greek. Yes, yes,

the word for Satan and Greek is just a transliteration of Hebrew. So this

makes it pretty clear that when addressing Satan, he is to be called Satan.

Takes it to a different level. Now we also have the same type

of mechanation in the Septuagen, because you would think, well, that word

for Satan and the Greek, it must be all over the Septuagen, that

is what you would think. However, it's only twice in one verse.

It's only twice in one version. This really does upset people. So let

me ask Tammy, Tammy, are you free to speak? Yes, sir,

okay, So what is the most infamous case in the Old Testament of

Satan interacting with other entities and even somebody that is a member of humanity.

Where's the most infamous instance of that? I have to say the first time

would be in the garden of Eden. At me three to Joe, yes,

job. Now remember in the garden he has not called Satan or the

devil. He's called the serpent, right, yes, So the most infamous

instance you hit the nail right on the head. The second time, it's

job. You would expect he's going to be called Pacitan. No he's not.

Every time there he is diablos. Every single time there he's diablost the

transliteration of the Hebrew into the Greek. That is only in one single verse,

and it's twice, and it's twice in that verse because there's two Satans.

So when we know that and this is used in the exact instance that

Jesus used it for Peter, so no one understand this, we can reckon

in our mind that what Peter was doing was being the devil's advocate, right,

and that's what Jesus. That's what Jesus literally come out and said,

you're acting like Satan. So I'm calling you Satan. You're being the devil's

advocate. This is exactly what goes on in First Kings, chapter eleven,

verse fourteen. Now, just so you know, we're not going to be

able to read this out of the masoretic text, because the masoretic text is

only one third of the length of the verse of the subtuagen. So reading

this, reading this verse out of the KJV, it states, thus the

Lord stirred up an add the sari onto Solomon. Hey, Dad, the

Edomite, he was the King's seed in edom That's it. That's all this

says in the masoretic texts we've switched it over to the Greek and lo and

behold, there's more than one. There's more than one. So the masoretic

text only tells you of one adversary. This is what the Subcuagin adds.

Then the Lord raised up adversaries to Solomon, namely Adder the Ideminian and eSRAM,

the son of Elda of Rama. There had been an insurrection against at

a easier king of Suda, his lord, and he was at the head

of the conspiracy and had seized Damascus. These were the pest to Israel all

the days of Solomon. Now Edder the Idamine was of the seed of the

royal of Edema, which of course is Edom. So this adds a second

one. There's two. There's two ad there's two Satans that God raised up.

So literally there's a whole backdrop story here with these two individuals. Now

you know what's going on. This is another job event, only in this

instance, the Lord doesn't provoke Satan to do harm to Job. That's not

what he's doing. He is directing Satan to use these two people against Solomon.

So here you have now three instances, once of Peter and two here

these two people they are literally being called satan because they are the devil's advocate.

But this Greek term for satan is not used anywhere else in the subtu

agen. This, this transliteration of the Hebrew has Saton is mostly used in

a New Testament. So what's anybody's thoughts on that? What? What's your

comment so far? What's your question? Are your gears turning anybody? I

do? I not have some, But it's conglomeration of stuff, especially like

a post episode of episodes of that you and Aaron had done on this matter,

So like I'm kind of my head's kind of filled with that stuff too,

and then other my other studies. But it's I hate the word not

duality, but it's kind of like it almost it it has to exist.

It's like some people's concept of a unity. It's like it has it like

turns the butter, you know, like it it causes the greatness, like

having the negative counterpart. I guess it's like a balance, I guess,

but it also it causes I don't know, something like job. It's a

strange duality or I don't hate saying that word, but and you should hate

it because it's an anti Christ phraseology. Yeah, but I know I don't

like talking about but I mean, it's like a it's like that has to

like the Satan and being the accuser or being held up to the light,

even in our own Christian faith, like it. It is. It causes

the friction, causes a it's a challenge. It's to rise above it.

Well, let me explain what I mean, because I'm going to take you

by surprise. Okay, because you're thinking one thing, I'm thinking a completely

different one. Okay. There is no duality with the Lord, thy God

Jamie period. Okay, he has no This yin and yang concept and apply

and does apply to the scripture, but not in relation to he who sitteth

upon the throne. Okay. What it does do is this, have we

all forgotten Jude chapter one, verse nine, whereas Michael the archangel when he

contended with the devil and I can stop reading right there. We have this

multiple times in scriptures. You all know that that if you're going to apply

this yin and yang to the entity Satan, his counterpart is the entity Michael.

Right. Okay, So that applies, and that is true. It

applies to everything that is beneath the throne. There is the creator, and

then there's to create it. There is no opposite effect to the creator.

He stands alone. But I understand what you're saying, and you have to

rewire your mind. Yes, that concept does apply a Michael him being an

angel, I'm more min it against us, against human beings, like it's

our crucible. I guess I don't like it. To me, it's something

we have to overcome. I mean, she's yeah, but no contempter,

but it was. Those things are in place in order to make its right.

Otherwise we have it's no choice. If we don't have any sort of

temptation or struggle or strive, then we're robots. Correct. Yes, your

apps and let And that bears out in the story of Job. That bears

out in his story that he had the choice to be the devil's advocate,

and take note in the diatribe between him and his friends, it was pretty

obvious that his friends was playing the devil's advocate. And his wife yes,

god give up man come yes, yes, even his wife yes, unfortunately,

even his wife yes. Now, Sherry had a question, Cherry,

you want to jump in here now? Yeah, that's fine. I had

a couple of questions. Actually, okay, Job one eight. When I

did, when I translated it to the Greek, I could not find Diopolos

or Satanos. All I found was a diavoya was a diet. Yeah,

I had no idea. Let me go over there. Let me give me

a second. Job one eight. You said, let me look at it

in Greek. You're in the Hebrew. But when I translated it to the

Greek, it wasn't there anymore because it's not Let me switch over to the

Hebrew. Yes, the Lord said to Satan and the Hebrew that's not there.

Yes, that you are correct, because Satan is not there. The

Greek just says, the Lord said. The Hebrew ads, the Hebrew ads.

The Lord said to Satan, that's not in the Greek. Okay,

so good, good catch, good find. But uh yeah, that's something

else that that the Hebrew adds. Any other you Sorry, there was a

question from other little things too. I don't know if Jamie wants to go

first, No, no share you go ahead, no, go ahead?

All right. So in Second Corinthians twelve seven, I thought that was interesting

because it did show as G forty five sixty six there, but it also

specifically shows it the Hebrew there, and I thought that was pretty interesting.

I'd like to know your thoughts and why it showed that way. Bank,

let me get there. What did you say, Second Corinthians? What twelve

seven? Twelve seven? Okay, I'm looking at it here in the Greek

or you you wanted me to look at it in a Hebrew. The Greek

or the Hebrew. Well, it shows both. It shows the forty five

sixty six in the Greek and fifty four in the Hebrew. Okay, let's

see hasse tom in the Hebrew and in the Greek. You are correct here.

It does use the transliteration in the Greek ha Setan. Yes, it

does. West investigate, So why would he be doing that? Because of

the surpassing greatness of the revelation. For this reason, to keep me from

exulting myself, there was given me a thorn in the flesh, a messenger

of Satan, yes Ha Sitan. He's saying ha Setan. Here, he

is saying that whatever agel this is was from the personal pronoun at Ha Setan.

So this is not just any demon or anything like that. This is

literally a messenger from Satan himself. Good, good, fine, Sherry,

good, good, good question. Does everybody understand that that you would be

thinking that if it's said here, if it's said here diablos in the Greek,

it could have been any number of fallen angels, correct, but here

it's not. It's not any fallen angel. We have to remember there are

more than one fallen angel. You know this. How many heads does the

dragon have? Sherry? Seven? So it could be any number of those,

not this time, this one is the one. This one was ha

Setan doing this too? Okay to the Christian? Okay, is that that

your last question? Sherry? One more and then Okayation twenty and two.

Right, Yeah, we're going to get to that. What's your question about

it? Well, the way that that versus worded really kind of makes me

go, hmmm, because it there than anywhere else? Okay, well it

it explain yourself? Why is it different than anywhere else? Well? I

don't really know how to explain it. I just know that it's different.

It's powerful, and it's separated the way that the verse read separates it from

all the other verses anytime that it's ever been mentioned, it's different. I

don't know how to put it into specific terms. I'm hoping you can explain

it to me, yes, because it is a list. It is a

list, Sherry. This and the Greek is saying. This is where it

really says it. It says that one thing is another thing. Now this

has done better in the other instance, but this this will work. Revelation

chapter twelve, nine or ten, I can't remember which one it is,

nine or ten does the same thing. But he is saying here that the

dragon is the serpent is the diablos is Satan. That's what this verse is

saying. You switch it over to the Greek. That's emphatically what is saying

here. In the Greek, he's saying that all these entities are one entity.

Now, what is different about this one in Revelation chapter nine is it

clarifies in the Greek that he is the original serpent what you and I would

call, Well, he's he's you know, the the old the old one

or the ancient one. You think that's that's what's going on here in Greek,

but it's not. It means the original. This is telling you he

is the first serpent. And guess where that word is first used in the

Bible, Sherry, that's right, Genesis chapter three. This Greek is saying

he is that serpent, It is the devil, It is the dragon,

it is the satan. So it's saying that all four of these are one

entity. So as far as the dragon is concerned, and you already know

this, sherry, Do you know that the dragon has more than one head?

Right? Yep? But the serpent is the the one. The other

the oblows they are under him. He's the first one. He's the ones

that started the insurrection, gotcha? Okay? And that's the really good thing

to look at those two verses for. Write these two verses down. You

need to tear them apart in your own time. Revelation chapter twelve, verse

nine and the one we just looked at, Okay, Revelation chapter twenty.

You need to really look at those. You need to take him to cast.

This is a really good place to learn out this entity. So write

these down. Revelation chapter twelve, verse nine and Revelation Chapter twenty, verse

two. It states emphatically that there are others we know, especially in reference

to the dragon, the dragon has seven heads. The dragon has seven heads,

but he is the one, He's the one. He is the original

serpent. He is the dragon. He is the diablos, So there are

other diablos, but in this role, this is why he is contending with

Michael the archangel. The other angels that are under him would not dare approach

Michael. So this is literally saying that Michael and Satan must have the same

standing. And as Jamie put it, he is the ying to one yang.

They are of equal authority. That's another way to put it. They're

of equal authority. So he was right. I didn't catch all that you

broke up? What was he a cherub then one of the like Michael the

same status in Ezekiel it says that he's a chair of him, but the

charge of as the king attire, but I don't know. Well, yes,

that text does say that, the text that refers to him as the

cherubim refers to him as being the king of tier. Why is that important,

ladies? And if you've forgotten this, I'm going to be very mad

because it has didn't have to do with like. So he's over a region,

right, So he's the king of an area, just like how Michael

would be the angel over Israel. Uh, he would be that one.

So he's a principality or forget how this works. Okay, let me let

me explain. So you are right on time, right on target, you

are right there. Why would he be called haw satan? Then? Why

is that everybody who all here has access to Wikipedia? Right now? I

need a volunteer that can go to Wikipedia. I ain't. Hold on a

second, go to Wikipedia and look up Paleo Hebrew before they get there?

Is the haw? The haw sound like? How Abraham or Sarah like given

the haw sound the hu? Well? It it? Yes, that's true,

but it's also in this instance it's it's a definite article. It means

the satan. Okay, are you there yet, Tammy? Yeah, Okay,

you're sure you're there. You're looking at it right. Okay, go

down just a little bit where it says Phoenician. You see how you can

click on Phoenician in the first paragraph. Boy, it's not letting me get

there. Hold on, mm hmmm, it's in the first paragraph Phoenician alphabet.

Yes, they open it up in another tab. Okay, tell me

what's the difference. Uh oh, oh, tell me what's the difference.

I don't know. There is no no, there's no difference. It's the

same daring thing. Okay, let me get a witness, Joni, can

you do this? Do you? Are you free on your computer or maybe

Sherry? Yeah, I got it. Okay. So you're looking at the

Paleo Hebrew alphabet. Yes, I switched to Phoenician. I'll go back to

and Okay, compare them both. What's difference? Give me a witness.

Is it the same thing or not? Looks like it's the exact same script.

It's the exact same script. Because the god haters have lied to you.

There's no such thing as Paleo Hebrew. Ladies, it's Phoenician. Why

is it Phoenician? Come on, ladies, what was Thiyir the capital of

Wow? Okay, it is telling you. This should provoke you. You

should get upset because you know, especially these Zionists, they run around and

they tell you all about the Paleo Hebrew. Right, that's a lie.

This is made up garbage. There's no Paleo Hebrew. It's the tongue of

Haseekan. It is the tongue of the prince of Baiir, and that was

the capital of Phoenicia. Yes it is. I don't think I know.

I've studied archaeology, So now you know why. Now you know why it

is that Satan, when addressed properly, uses ha Setan. And now you

know why. In that text he's ascribed as a cherubim and the head of

thaiir Tier was the head of Pannichi Shah. That's where the alphabet comes from.

It is telling you, it is telling you that ha Setan was the

prince of Phoenicia, the country he was the prince a pallity of Phunia.

So when I've done this in the classroom, people, you know, especially

the people that are more inclined to Hebrew roots, they get upset. No,

there's such thing as palliot. Really, let me pull up the text

for you for Phoenician. I mean, you can lie to yourself, but

you can't lie to me. So this is why, ladies, this is

why he's called the Prince of Tiger, because he was. Now we know

that Michael is the Prince of God's people, right yep, which means he's

our prince. At this point in time, Satan is Setan was the prince

of Phoenicia. So you can just imagine when Alexander the Great got mad whenever

you know, they said, you can't build a ramp out our city and

capture our city, and he did just exactly that and obliterated it. You

do understand that in doing so, Alexander the Great was stepping stepping on the

toes of Satan himself. You do get that, right, Soul. Now

we at least understand why he's whenever you address him, you address him Stan,

because that's the original phonology of his name. Now, if nobody's ever

told you why why he described as a cherub from Tai years. If nobody

ever took the time to show you this, that would be upsetting to you

because you would realize that those people did not have anything at all. They

knew nothing at all that was coming out of their mouths, or worse,

they were lying to you. So let's get back to Jamie. Jamie,

you had more questions, right, that was partly it well, And that

and I Senior called that you and Aaron had talked about perhaps that there were

you know, the multiple multiple Satans, that it was perhaps maybe seven like

the seven heads or whatever. Yes, so you know, got de Satan

or whatever, and then not I guess there, I guess his underlings,

I guess. So it's like it is an office, it is a job,

it is a like. That's their sole job is to corrupt and attempt

and to give us. I don't know, obstacles or whatever. I don't

know what I what I want to know. I'm curious about the like the

court, and about his place in the hierarchy of things. Okay, well,

we're going to have to say, based on the verses that I just

read, his hierarchy must be equal to that of Michael. Correct, So

when we see in the Book of Job, when he comes to the council,

he must have the same standing as Michael, whatever standing that is,

Jamie. And I'm not going to presume to tell you that I know,

because I don't. All I do know is the Yin and Yang principle applies

to Michael and Satan, not just once, multiple times. That said.

I mean, everybody knows about the infamous war that breaks out because of these

male children who goes head to head Satan and Michael. So whatever that is,

and there's no doubt about it that the Bible repeatedly states that his place

is in the heavenlys. He is an angel, he is he belongs there.

So that's the only thing I can say. Anything that I would add

to that would be beyond my knowledge base. You would have to construe that

to be a lie. All I do know is that whatever standing he does

have, it's like Michael has. Okay, yeah, I just and it's

not when I try to talk to my father about these sort of things,

it's kind of like, oh, well, are you trying to worship Satan.

It's it's trying to understand or trying to It's not that I don't see

him as like some sort of like boogeyman that is, or and I don't

want to be a BFS either. It's just that it's like I I don't

know. I just try to I'm trying to understand, like I don't And

the way I read it, it's not like he was. I mean,

he's cast out and down, but it's still he's still performing a function.

And I know that all of them perform a function, and it's all working

for the greater good, for God's God's plan. He even uses the evil

for good. It's it's all part he uses despite they think they're doing it

for evil, but he's God's using it eventually to for his purpose. So

I know, I know the vine plan that that it's always working good.

But I feel I just I get confused a lot because I don't feel,

oh, well, that's evil or that's you know, anti this, and

I just feel like it's all it's all kind of working together. I don't

as like a machine. I don't know, a well oiled machine that I

don't quite understand. But I just wanted to hear that that is it.

I don't know. I guess I just have a hard time with the oh

well he's evil and he's cast down, but then he still has a place

in the Holy court and he still has a job and a role and still

have to be able to have a conversation with God. You know, I

can say something just go ahead yet right, That's and that's another thing I

had to learn late, and that's things to thanks to Matthew. Is that

you know that's uh people think that that is not prophetic language, but yeah,

I learned that too late. Yeah, because he still has access to

the throne. Yes, he still have access to the throne, so that

he's still in his station, as is Michael. I mean they are for

all intents and purposes then equals. That's right because we know this. We

know this whenever the two argued about Moses' m m yep, because if not,

Michael would have just obliterated him. But all I said, that's the

Lord rebuke you, right, So this shows you that he had not lost

his position at that point in time. But we do need to glean some

information, Jamie. I mean, let's let's go and let's look at that.

If this is the case, and it is the case, let's go

to this one verse that mentions the dragon, because we already read those two

verses in Revelation. The serpent is the dragon is Satan, right, and

if we know if he has that station, let's read this verse Revelation twelve,

verse three. Then another sign appeared in heaven, and behold a great

red dragon having seven heads, seven heads. So you're right, if this

is the case, you can say that Michael also is a part of seven

heads, right right, right, Yes, that's right, because you know

that they're equal standing. So if Satan is the head han Sho of seven,

that means Michael is the same way Michael is the head Haunchho of seven.

Now is the Bible coming out and saying that. No, the Bible's

coming out in multiple places saying that they are two of equal standing. Therefore,

when one applies to one, it obviously applies to the other because math

works. Math works. That's why God's showing you these things. So celestially,

what are we talking about here? Celestially, we're saying that that with

Michael, there are six other angels that he is in charge of. He

is the head of Okay, the planetary like, uh, yes, right,

So we're talking about if we talk about Satan is Saturn and then Jupiter

or no, so who what planet would represent Michael or what star? Okay?

You know this from him? No, it's it's okay, We'll take

time to do it. No, it's not. It's no. Who said

that Satan was Mars? I never said that, you never. No,

no, no, I say Saturn. But okay, okay, okay,

So we all know what Michael's name means. It means who is like God?

So you should know that celestially speaking, when you look up, that

would be Saturn. That would be the father of the King Star. Okay,

that to be the father of the King Star, which is Saturn?

Who is like God? Okay, okay, Satan in the heavens would be

this celestial scapegoat. And yes, there are seven planets. You know that.

To the Sun's side you have Mercury and Venus. To the spin word

side, you know that you have Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus,

Neptune. You know that. You know there's seven. So this one here,

of course, we've talked about this many times. This celestial object is

given a name in Judges chapter five. It's Marales. So where are we

looking at with ton Oh we're down, We're down to ten minutes. So

let me field questions again. Is there anything else that's on somebody's mind that

we need to talk about? Anybody? Quick question? Yes, probably,

kind of the silly question. I'm curious. So when he's thrown down,

he's no longer our accuser. Well, of course not right, okay,

of course not and and and let's talk about that. Where is he cast

down to Earth and judged or he's passed down to eighty eth? Yeah,

he's cast down to Earth. He's during the Great Tribulation. He is here

defeated and he cannot go back up Jacob's ladder. So for one two hundred

and sixty days, Satan is here, he can no longer go back up

into the heaven race. This is clearly dictated in Revelation chapter twelve. So

this is what makes the Great Tribulation so bad. And I don't know why

people reject it from their psyche, but they think that even during the tribulation,

they will be safe from a physical presence of the devil himself, which

is no. You got one third of the entire host. This happens to

so he is here physically for the duration of the Great Tribulation. So that's

when it happens. It happens when the male children are born, the last

batch, when he goes to kill them. That's what I mean. I

guess we could read Revelation chapter twelve again because it's true. It really is

what happens, Jamie, it really is. This is why Jesus Christ says

won't be to pregnant women and pregnant women in nursing mothers right before this day,

because God takes them, Jamie. He takes their children because Satan wants

the last ones are born, He's going to butcher them. It's these children,

the birth of these children that triggers the war in heaven. So let

me go over there real quick and my brand spanking new new King James version.

This is a a grand speaking now and this would be the first time

I ever read revelation in this Bible. Okay, Jamie, this is real.

This is not this is not fictional, This is not figurative. This

is really what happens. And I know this bothers you, Jamie, because

nobody ever talks about this. What causes the war in heaven? These babies

cause the war in heaven, and nobody seems to talk about that, even

though I'm going to read it, and this it really is what happens.

Now, A great sign appeared in heaven a woman clothed with the Sun and

the moon under her feet, and on her head a garland of twelve stars.

Then, being with child, she cried out in labor and in pain

to give birth. And another sign appeared in heaven. Behold a great,

fiery red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven diadems on

his heads. His tail drew a third of the stars of heaven and threw

them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was ready

to give birth, to devour her child as soon as it was born.

Okay, Jamie, this really does happen. This is how God catches him

off guard. They have come down Jacob's ladder and they're in here in the

flesh. These angels have taken no physical form, and they're waiting to kill

these children as soon as the last one is born. That really is what

they're going to do. Verse five. She bore a male child who was

to rule the nations with a rod of iron, and her child was caught

up to God and to his throne. This is what Isaiah chapter twenty stick

six plainly states. It comes right out and tells you that God takes these

children from the wounds. Now. Also, Jamie, they're also two years

and longer under they have not been weaned yet. So imagine if if you're

a mother breastfeeding your baby and it disappears. That's what's going to happen.

Read Isaiah chapter twenty six. Okay, verse six. Then the woman fled

into the wilderness where she has a place prepared by God that she should feed

her for one thousand and sixty days. This, Jamie, this happens when

the abomination of desolation is set up. That's what does this This last child

is born, or who knows, maybe there's a thousand of them all born

at one time. We don't know how many is on this last slate.

As this event happens, they set up the Abomination of Desolation, and I'm

pretty sure that's the purpose of this slaughter. Satan is going to take all

these children and sacrifice it to the abomination of desolation. Okay, you know

this lasts for forty five days. So this point here you flee into the

wilderness, and forty five days later is when the Great Day of the Lord

happens. Okay, let me flip the Bible back open day. Okay,

So verse seven, and war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels

fought with the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought that they did

not prevail, nor a place found for them in heaven any longer. So

the great Dragon was cast out, the serpent of old, called the devil

and Satan, who deceives the whole world. He was cast to the earth,

and his angels were cast out with him. This really is what happens,

Jamie. This isn't being figurative. These babies are born on the same

day the abomaed destiny of the Abomination of Desolation is set up. You know

that she flees into the wilderness. This is what Jesus was talking about in

Matthew chapter twenty four. You know that last for forty five days. Per

Daniel chapter twelve. Here I go again. I'm giving out five hundred thousand

scripture versus and it just gets to be information overload. And I'm sorry about

that. But God doesn't give you a little bit of details, Jamie.

He gives you all the details, all of them. So at this point,

she flees into the wilderness, and she should know this is going to

last for forty five days. At the end of those forty five days is

the great day of Hugh said of upon the Throne. It's when the six

Seal event is triggered. Okay, so this is something I've never shared in

the group before. This is what I've always thought. Why they're going after

those male children, because they want to sacrifice these children who the abomination of

desolation, who the image of the beast. Now, I don't know how

would they get people to help them do this. I and that right now,

I'm going off the beaten path. These are difficult things to talk about.

There are difficult things to talk about. But unless Satan convinces women to

cough them up or I mean, or sacrifice them or pledge them or Jamie,

he's told them that if you sacrifice these children, it will release my

hinch Man, it will release the scapegoat from the abyss. Anyway, we're

off the beaten path. This is just this is just conjecture on my part.

Okay, There's gotta be a reason why they're going after these children.

There's there's Satan has to say something to justify going after these children. So

anyway, we know what Herod did, right, we know what Farroh did.

So is there any other questions We're at the top of the hour,

any other questions. Is that it's a little one, okay. The forty

five days in Daniel Tub. Is that that's the same as the ten days

of testing when atten days happened after the earthquake. The ten days happened after

the earthquake. Yes, we were all confused about that. We were thinking.

I was thinking it was the same time for me, as this is

how long this war in heaven lasts. This war in heaven lasts ten days?

Okay, that's a good way to another another thing. Boy, we're

really into information overload. Now. This war that was just described between Michael

and Satan, it lasts for ten days, okay, so that's after that's

after the forty five days. Okay, good to know. Okay, I

know I've said so many verses at this point. I mean, I've I

told people's heads are probably swimming. So we need somebody to pray us out

of here. Who can do that for us? Okay, Jamie, you

pray us out of here? Terrible is this? But all right? Thank

you have only followed for bringing us all together and fellowship and communion with you,

and you're with your word. Thank you follow for giving us Matthew and

giving each other, giving us each other so that we can all learn your

word and study together. Thank you Father for another week, another day in

your word. And thank you Father for your protection and to ask all these

things in your blessing milling name, Amen, Amen, and amen. Okay,

yeah, before we sign off, we don't have to sign off right

now, just because it's at the top of the air, at the top

of the hour, if I could just speak correctly, does anybody else have

anything they want to talk about going once, going twice. Okay, all

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