S2E69 The Transfiguration of Time

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Post Matthew and Maria you know today in Easter and

that's very important podcast transfiguration of cod so we are

more enough of ministries things transfer. That is pretty mind blowing,

right when you look at the text itself and you

realize that, huh, something is going on here. So did

you did you look over the text? Mariah?

I actually did.

Really, it doesn't seem like to me you're too prepared.

I read it.

There's a lot of things to read.

Really well, why don't you tell me what happened? So

pretty speaking, mm hmm.

So Laijah and he was threatened by Jezebel. He fled

to the mountain of Forbe. It's totally what I said,

and uh he uh basically will yet see God? That

he spoke with God directly, And the same thing happened

with Moses on Mount Orb He spoke to God when

he was in the tent. And then Jesus he was

on a mountain. He was on any specific mountain that

we know of, but Peter and John and James saw

the transfiguration. Jesus he was on the mountain and they

saw him speaking with Lussia and Moses who down.

The mot So pretty interesting stuff when you put the

dots together. But you're right, the transfiguration account all three accounts,

does not mention what mountainous was. But to me, it's

fairly obvious which mountain works. And take note that that's

called a couple of things. In One King's chapter nineteen,

it's called Korb, the mountain of God. So that takes

it to a different level. Right, and do you realize that, well,

just just the circumstances. Let's read the first circumstance. Why

don't you read for us Exodus chapter thirty three, pastor,

and read aloud to everybody? Can hear you?

Haly go need it all by myself, the whole chapter. Yep,

you watch me, there're what versus all of it? Okay,

Then the lords both to Moses depart. Go up from here,

you and the people whom you have brought up from

the land of Egypt to the land of which I

swore to Abraham Isaac Jacob saying to your descendants, I

will give it. I will sen an angel before you,

and I will drive out the Canaanite, the Amorite, the Hittite,

the Parasite, the Hite, and the Jebbi site go up

to a land flowing with milk and honey, or I

will not go up in your midst, because you are

an obstinate.

People, and I might destroy you on the way.

When the people heard this sad word, they went into mourning,

and none of them put on his ornaments. For the

Lord had said to Moses, say to the sons of Israel,

you are an obstinate people. Should I go up in

your midst for one moment, I would destroy you. Now, therefore,

put off your ornaments from you, that I may know

what I shall do with you. So the sons of

Israel stripped themselves of their ornaments. From Mount Harab onward.

Now Moses used to take the tent and put it

outside the camp, a good distance from the camp, and

he called it the tent of Meeting. And everyone who

sought the Lord would go out to the tent of Meeting,

which was outside the camp. And it came about whenever

Moses went out to the tent, that all the people

would arise and stand each of the entrance of his

tent and gaze after Moses until he entered the tent.

Whenever Moses entered the tent, the pillar of cloud would

descend and stand on the entrance of the tent, and

the Lord would speak with Moses. When all the people

saw the pillar of cloud standing at the entrance of

the tent, all the people would arise and worship each

at the entrance of his tent. Does the Lord used

to speak to Moses face to face, just as a

man speaks to his friend. When Moses returned to the camp,

he servant Joshua, the son of Noun, the young man

would not depart from her tent. When Moses said to

the Lord to see you say to me and bring

up this people. But you yourself have not let me

know whom you will send with me. Moreover, you have said,

I have known you by name, and you have also

found favor in my sight. Now, therefore I pray you,

if I have found favor in your sight, let me

know your ways, that I may know you, so that

I may find favor in your sight. Consider too, that

this nation is your people. And he said, my presence

shall go with you, and I will give you rest.

Then he said to him, if your presence does not

go with us, do not lead us up from here,

For how can it be known that I have found

favor in your sight I and your people. Is it

not by your going with us, so that we I

and your people may be distinguished from all other people

who are upon the face of the earth. The Lord

said to Moses, I will also do this thing of

which you have spoken, for you have found favor in

my sight, and I have known your name. Then Moses said,

I pray you show me your glory. And he said,

I myself will make all my goodness pass before you,

and I will proclaim the name of the Lord before you,

and I will be gracious to who I will be gracious,

and I will show compassion on whom I will show compassion.

But he said, you cannot see my face, for no

man can see me and live. Then the Lord said, behold,

there is a place by me, and you shall stand

there on the rock, and it will come about all

my glorious passing by. That I will put you in

the cloud of the rock and cover you with my

hand until I have passed by. Then I will take

my hand away, and you shall see my back, but

my face shall not be seen.

So pretty important the location here, what was happening, what

was going on? And more important, like he kept saying

the presence. Now what is what is God in the

present form? Of course, that is Jesus Christ. So this

cloud is very particular. It seems like this cloud, how

do I say that? It would seem that this cloud

has something to do with the essence of God the Father.

It has something to do with the essence of Heaven itself.

And on the next part we're going to read in

the first Kings it said that there was a there

was a violent wind, and then there was an earthquake,

and then there was fire. It was a gentle.

Wind, right strong wind? Who was it a cloud?

We'll see one thanks. For sure? A cloud is only visible, right, yes, Well,

there's a problem with that because Eliger didn't see anything

because he covered his face, right, But we can assume

from the other instances that that's why this narrative is different.

He covered his eyes. There's no way for you to

perceive that a cloud is there of sight. It is

completely silent, regardless of wind, rain, whatever, he can you

can only see a cloud. You can only see a cloud.

So one thing's for sure. Well, I have you talk

about this in a second. But this aspect ties into

the conversion of Saul into Paul, because Paul did see

something and it created scales on his eyes and made

blind so and he bore testimony that this was the

revelation of Jesus Christ. So anyway, that being the case,

it's good that you point that out about the cloud.

And we need to realize that when this happens to Elijah,

he covers his face, so this could be the missing

element there. So why don't you read for us First

Team's nineteen twenty one verses I don't know n nineteen

now you said you're edit you.

Did, and then I who was.

Okay?

Now, Ahab told Jezebel all that Elijah had done, and

how he had killed all the prophets with the sword.

Then Jezebel sent a messenger to Elijah, saying, show me

the gods due to me, and even more if I

do not make your life as the life of one

of them by tomorrow about this time, and he was

afraid and arose and ran for his life and came

to Beersheba, which belongs to Judah, and left his servants there.

Servant left his servant there, but he himself went to

day's journey into the wilderness and came and sat down

into the under a juniper's tree. And he requested for

himself that he might die, and said, it is enough now, Lord,

take my life, for I am not better than my father's.

He lay down and slept under a juniper tree, and

behold there was an angel touching him, and he said

to him, arise, eat. Then he looked, and behold there

was at his head a bread cake baked on hot stones,

and a drawer of water. So he ate and drank

and lay down again. The Angel of the Lord came

again a second time and touched him and said, a rise, eat,

because the journey is too great for you. So he

arose and ate and drank, and went in the strength

of that food forty days and forty nights to Horim,

the Mountain of God. When he came there to a

cave and lodged there, and behold, the word of the

Lord came to him, and he said to him, what

are you doing here, Elijah? And he said, I have

been very zealous for the Lord, the God of Hosts,

and the sons of Israel have forsaken their covenant, torn

down your altars, and killed your prophets with the sword.

And I am alone, and I alone am left, and

they seek my life to take it away. So he said,

go forth and stand on the mountain before the Lord.

And behold, the Lord was passing by, and a great

strong wind who was rending the mountains and breaking in

peaces the rocks before the Lord. But the Lord was

not in the wind. And after the wind an earthquake,

but the Lord was not in the earthquake. After the

earthquake a fire, but the Lord was not in the fire.

And after the fire is sound of a gentle blowing.

When Elijah heard it, he wrapped his face and his

mantle and went out and stood in the entrance of

the cave. And behold, the voice came to him and said,

what are you doing here, Elijah? And he said, I

have been very zealous for the Lord, the God of Hosts,

for the sons of Israel will have forsaken your covenant,

poured down your altars, and killed your prophets with his sword.

And I alm and am left, and they seek my

life to take it away. The Lord said to him,

and go return on your way to the wilderness of Damascus,

and when you have arrived, you shall Annoin Haziel being

over Aaron and Jehu, the son of Nimshe, you shall

annoint king over Israel. And Elisha, the son of Schaffat

of Avram Mahola.

They said that right close enough.

You shall annoint as prophet in your place. It shall

come about the one who escapes from the sword of

Hazael Je who shall put to death, and the one

who escapes from the sword of je who Elishah shall

put to death. Yet I will leave seventy thousand in Israel,

all the knees that have not bowed the ball at

every mouth that has not kissed him. So he departed

from there and found Elisha, the son of Shaffat, while

he was plowing, with twelve pairs of oxen before him,

and he with the twelve, and Elijah passed over to

him and threw his mantle on him. He left the

oxen and ran after Elijah and said, please, let me

kiss my father and my mother, and then I will

go follow you. And he said to him, go back again,

for what have I done to you till we return

from following him, And took the pair of oxen and

sacrificed them and boiled their flesh for the implumens of

the oxen and gave it to the people, and they ate.

Then he arose and followed Elijah and ministered to him.

So same mountain, same place here. It's called Horn of

the Mountain of God for a reason. These backstories are

important to know that most people don't realize that, well, Jesus, Peter, Dames,

and John went up on a high mountain. They went

up on a mountain, they went somewhere, and on this

mountain they met God in a cloud. Now, the crazy

thing about it is is the particulars of all three

versions of it compliment one another, but they're not the same.

And it's pretty especially what happens to the eyewitnesses, especially

what is said about the event, what Jesus says about it.

Jesus calls this event something, and it's not what everybody

else calls it, but Jesus calls it something, and it's

pretty pretty startling to me. And this cloud is an

association with it. So I'm going to read this from

the first account Matthew, chapter seventeen, verses one through thirteen.

Listen very carefully, listen very closely. Is everything unstated here

is massively important. It's details. Now after six days Jesus

took Peter, James, and John his brother, led them up

on a high mountain by themselves, and he was transfigured

before them. His face shone like the sun, and his

clothes became as white as the light. And behold, Moses

and Elijah appeared to them, talking with him. Then Peter

answered and said, to Jesus, Lord, it is good for

us to be here. If you wish, let us make

three tabernacles, one for you, one for Moses, and one

for Elijah. While he was still speaking, behold, a bright

cloud overshadowed them, And suddenly a voice came out from

the cloud, saying, this is my beloved son, in whom

I'm well pleased. Hear him, And when his disciples heard it,

they fell on their faces and were greatly afraid. But

Jesus came and touched them and said, a rise, do

not be afraid. When they lifted up their eyes, they

sold no one but Jesus. Only now, as they came

down the mountain, Jesus commanded them, saying, tell the vision

to no one until the Son of Man is risen

from the dead. And his disciples asked him, saying, why

do the scribes say that Elijah must come first. Jesus

answered and said to him, Indeed, Elijah is coming first,

and we restore all things. But I say to you

that Elijah has come already. And they did not know

him about, but did to him whatever they wished. Likewise,

the son of Man is about to suffer at their hands.

Then the disciples understood that he spoke to them of

John the Baptist. What's your thoughts on this version? You

don't know. One things for sure, Peter didn't know. He

comes up with some crazy stuff. Hey, let's make a tabernacle,

one for you, one.

For other random guys.

Well, they were.

You know.

Let me ask you this. How did they know who

it was? One thing's for sure. This text never said

that anybody announced, Hey, this is Moses talking. Nobody said it.

In the one Luke, it said that they were sleeping

and they just woke up and saw him.

Talking to guys, which takes it to a different level.

Right.

But the only way you could have known who was there,

because like I said, they weren't an ounce. The only

way you could know is know what Moses had said.

You would have had to have known beforehand what Elijah

said to him, and if you saw some guy talking

to Jesus say the same exact thing that Moses said

to God, you would realize that, oh, my goodness, what

God was talking about with Moses being his presence, His

presence is the Lord Jesus Christ, and Peter would have

known that's Moses. Then the next person to speak was Elijah.

And when Elijah said what it was that Elijah had said,

and his face is covered up, Peter immediately knew he's

talking to God. He's talking to Jesus, right, And that's

what God the Father proclaimed. This is my son listened

to him, and we never get to know what was said.

Or do be.

The responses that God gave and the two narratives they

had to have been given by the Lord Jesus Christ.

And when you read the count and Exendus thirty three,

when God is talking, that is Jesus' response to what

Moses had said. And Peter's like, oh my goodness, that's

got to be Moses.

Well, and if you were listening to the conversation, if

you would have been listening, would have been Peter who

would have beensening the conversation. It was pretty evident that

he was talking about Moses, because he later released was

saying the names of Laishide.

Right.

He said their names even though nobody had told him

who they were, So he must have realized, oh my goodness,

I am seen God talked to Mooses and Elijah. That's

the only way he could have known who it was

was by the words he knew Accodus thirty and he

knew First Kings Chapter nineteen. Crazy. It's crazy, so let

me read the next one. We get more details here

in Mark chapter nineteen.

Mark.

Now, I can't talk. You're contagious, Mark nineteen one through thirteen.

And he said to them, surely I would say to

you that there are some standing here who will not

taste death till they see the Kingdom of God present

with our Now why do we include that, because he's

getting ready to tell you who does Peter, James, and

Jun but also Moses and Elija. First two. Now, after

six days, Jesus took Peter, James and John when he

went up on a high mountain apart by themselves, and

he was transfigured before them. His clothes became shining exceedingly white,

like snow, such as no lunderer on earth, and whitened

them and Elijah appeared to them with Moses, and they

were talking with Jesus. Then Peter answered and said to Jesus, Rabbi,

it is good for us to be here. Let us

make three tabernacles, one for you, one for Moses, and

one for Elijah. Because he did not know what to say,

for they were greatly afraid. And a cloud came and

overshadowed them, and a voice came out of the cloud, saying,

this is my beloved son. Hear him. Suddenly, when they

looked around, they saw no one anymore, but only Jesus

with themselves. Now, as they come down from the mountain,

he commanded them that they should tell no one the

things that they had seen till the Son of Man

had risen from the dead. So they kept this word

to themselves, questioning what rising from the dead meant. And

they asked him, saying, what do the scribes say that

Elijah must come first? Or why describe say Elijah must

comes first? Then he answered and said to them, indeed,

Elijah is coming first to restore and restores all things.

And how is it written concerning the son of Man

that he must suffer many things and be treated with contempt?

But I say to you that Elijah has also can go,

and they did to him whatever they wished, as it

is written of him. So your thoughts on this piece.

How they they got to give you your excuse?

They gave you your excuse. Yes, he didn't know what

to He didn't know what to make of it, right,

He was confused. They didn't know what to say, and

he had to say something, right, so they just start talking. So, yes,

you're right. And I'm going to ask you a question

right now, now that we're to this part, tell me

where was the cloud.

In this passage?

And this passage where cloud over them? Them? Who Peter?

Now there's two different groups of people here, right, there's Jesus,

Moses and Elijah. Peter came to John. It says the

cloud overshadowed them, but them who everybody?

And everybody?

This is a question, isn't it?

But I know that wouldn't have been over Peter. And

at least in this version of the next one, doesn't

it say that Peter became afraid because of the cloud.

Let's read Verson and a cloud came and overshadowed them,

and a voice came out of the cloud. So this

version is reading like the cloud overshadowed Elijah, Moses, Jesus,

and Peter, James and John couldn't see him anymore. And

this this voice comes out of the cloud and makes

this proclamation. Which one is it food for thought?

Huh?

I think it is reading like Peter James Mcjohn was

not in the cloud. Okay, So look chapter nine twenty

seven through thirty six. This is the shortest version of it.

But I tell you that there are some standing here

shall not taste death till they see the seat of

the King of God. Now it came to pass that

eight days, about eight days after these things, he took Peter,

John and James and went up to the mountain to pray.

Now I think note here it has the prefix it's

the mountain, the mountain, as if this mountain.

Was no.

As he prayed, the appearance of his face was altered,

and his robe between white and glistening. And behold, two

men talked with him through were Moses and Elijah, who

appeared in glory and spoke of his decease, which he

was about to accomplish at Jerusalem. But Peter and those

with him were heavy with sleep, and when they were

fully awake, they saw his glory, and two men stood

with them. Then it happened as they were parting from him,

that Peter said to Jesus, Master, it is good for

us to be here, and let us make three tabernacles,

one for you, one for Moses, and one for Elijah,

not knowing what he said. While he was saying this,

a cloud came and overshadowed them, and they were fearful.

As they entered the cloud, the voice came out of

the cloud, saying, this is my beloved son. Hear him.

When the voice had deceased, Jesus was found alone. But

they kept quiet and told no one in those days

of the many things they had seen. Now, what do

you think I know? Verse thirty four. While he was

saying this, Peter in the middle of him, saying, let

us make a tabernacle, one for you Moses logic. While

he's saying this, a cloud came and overshadowed them, and

they were fearful as they entered the cloud. I say again,

who is the they and who's entering the cloud? But

says the voice comes out of the cloud, projected toward Peter,

James jump the way Jesus.

Would either have to be in the cloud or beyond

the cloud, because he was covered up.

Yes, so they can see Jesus fromatic in the song.

So at the end of the day, at the end

of the day, it would seem like that Peter, James

and John witness time travel, and that time travel. It

seems like to me that the cloud must have came

when they were not aware of it. It seems like

that the cloud the last time cook it will Elijah

and Moses. It tunneled them back through time where they

were supposed to be. It seems like that when Jesus

was overshadowed with this cloud the first time the disciples

were asleep, the cloud goes away, leaving Elijah and Moses there.

They come to their senses. Oh my goodness, they hear

the conversation that's Moses and Elijah. Then this cloud comes

back to to tunnel to transfigure time back for Moses

and Elangia, and they go back when they're supposed to go.

Then boom, the cloud is gone. At the same time

that Moses and Elijah is gone, and Jesus has left

there alone. It seemed like to me that the cloud

was not only transporting Elijah and Moses, through time. It

did it twice, and you only conceive one event. So

how many times have you heard this that the Transfiguration

was a time travel event? Never? Right? But yet it's

obvious that how the three disciples knew who it was

talking with Jesus because they knew the conversations. Those conversations

were well established.

I mean, well, he's literally talking about historical people. Yes,

so Jee who the son of Nushi Elijah? Yeah, funtions, yes,

so like.

And even if they just knew their history, that's what

I'm saying. I'm saying that they knew who it was

based on the conversation. So we do have the last

instance of this when Peter talks about this in Second

Peter chapter one, verses sixteen through eighteen, and he identifies

the mountain where this was as the Holy Mountain. So,

reading from Second Peter chapter one, verses sixteen through eighteen,

For we did not follow comingly devised fables, when we

may known to you the power and coming of our

Lord Jesus Christ. But eye witnesses to his majesty. For

we received from God, the Father, honor and glory, when

such a voice came to him from the Excellent glory.

This is my loved son and whom I'm well pleased.

And we heard this voice which came from heaven when

we were with him on the Holy Mountain. There's only

one holy mountain. It's Mount pour that's the mountain of God.

So this is it's not coming out and sane. That's

what transfiguration takes place. That's true. But here he calls

it the Holy Mountain, and whether he meant it was

holy due to this event or not is irredant. He

identifies it as the Holy Mountain. So it's amazing when

you do research and you look to see which was

the mountain of transfiguration. They don't know, they will tell you.

And if you put two and two together, it's pretty

plain that nobody told the disciples who was there. They

knew from the conversation. And that's exactly what it repeatedly says,

says that Moses and Elijah were talking with Jesus. That's

how they knew who they were. So this is definitely

a time traveling event. And I think it was the

cloud that did the transport, and I think that cloud

was an essence of God and the presence of God

who Moses Elijah we're talking to, was the little of

Jesus Christ. Your thoughts.

Jesus can time travel?

Jesus can time travel? Yes, the only logical explanation is

that Jesus can time travel. But you know, there.

Where in the regulation times meet taken?

Who like a safe place.

Waiting a time trouble?

I don't know. Cool, one thing's for sure in this

place that is prepared that God talks about. I don't know.

I don't know. That's a difficult thing to ask. Good question, though,

because that would be the perfect place to take us, right.

You just take this to a moment in time where

a certain wilderness was never you know, crossed for one

thousand and sixty days. God knows when and where that

had been happened. It wouldn't be hard to do.

Probably are you know, if you did it, probably already

made it.

Happen, right, right, Because and I like how you put that.

You realize if that is the case, it's already happened,

and this may very well be white. He says that

he will gather us together a second time, So that

that's a little off the hook and something we should

look at later. That you know, I mentioned that Paul. Paul,

Paul saw vision and well it's it's it's questionable what

happened you really, you really don't know what happened with Paul.

But he saw something and it caused these these scales

on his eyes. And what very well could have happened

is that he didn't go into the future. He saw

into the past. And from the time of the transfiguration

until the event this happened with Paul that well turned

him from saw to Paul. Could it be that these

scales were all the dead cells that had been produced

on his eye from the time of the transfiguration through

the time he saw the vision. Because he only saw

through time, it had that effect on his eyes. In

an instant, his eyes had antinually to all the dead cells,

with dead cels become scales because he saw for time.

He didn't go, He only saw all. That's enough to

make you go home, right, So do you think this.

The question is was this a vision or did it

really happen? Really happened. I didn't say it was a vision,

so it happened. The Bible's talking like as if it

really happened. So the Lord Jesus Christ, though in verse

nine here of Matthew chapter seventeen says tell the vision

to no one.

They actually sleep and they didn't know it.

There we go again. I thought we already discussed all this.

So you're saying that when Peter starts talking, hey, let

me make a tabernacle for you, he didn't really say it.

He said it in his sleep, in sleep talking, so that.

I know.

Food for thought?

Right?

Is this the only instance of probable time travel in

the Bible here on transfenderation?

No?

Really? What's the other instances? I did.

The one where Jesus went on the.

Boat chick opinion, yep, in.

John, I didn't say the number which one?

I was just trying to guess the book.

Yes, And concerning that incident with doubt and faith, we

talked about that again today more right, But that's a

great mission that it's something is said that shouldn't be there,

because there specifically says the eleven is there.

There's nothing in the Bible that shouldn't be.

In the right. Right, But it is food for thought.

And I wonder how many people know about that event

because we we did talk that talk about that. The

simple fact that when you read the incident of the

walking on the water. It is apparent that not everybody

that was present was accounted for that that much. That

much is true. So let's jump over to Matthew chapter

It was twenty eight. Matthew twenty eight. It says something

here that you know well. Matthew Chapter twenty eighth, streing

and verse sixteen. When the eleven disciples went away to Galilee,

to the mountain which Jesus had appointed for them, when

they saw him, they worshiped him, but some doubted. So

we were discussing yesterday how a lot of the disciples

left him when he said you must, you know, eat

my flesh and drink my blood. They're like, we can't,

we can't follow anymore. And some of the disciples left,

and reading the text makes you wonder what's going on.

But here you find out that knows some of even

the eleven here are still dowing. So let me finish,

because that's important now that I've pointed that out. And

Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, all the fury

had been given to me in heaven and on earth.

Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them

in the name of the Father of the Son and

the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that

I've commanded you. And lo, I'm with you always, even

to the end of the age. So some of these

eleven disciples were doubting. Still as impossible as that seems,

that's what this just said.

So, but doubting does not mean stray away.

True, it doesn't mean strained. It doesn't mean they fell away.

But they were definitely dying. So which mountain do you

think is mentioned here? Because once again it doesn't tell

you when the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, to

the mountain which Jesus had appointed for them, where nobody knows.

Nobody knows who it's at.

I wonder if.

Good question, all right, everybody, you ready to pray out

of here?

No?

Okay, our Father, which are in heaven, How would be

thy name, thy kingdom? Come? And that will be done

on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this

day or daily bread, and forgive us our trust passes,

as we forgive those who have trustpassed against us. And

lead us not into temptation, but deliveratives from evil. For

yours is the kingdom, the power in the glory forever. Amen.

With that, ladies and gentlemen, the next time, God bless

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