S3E28 Fellowship: Son of Perdition

Welcome, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the Fellowship, and I'm

glad we're doing this in this format. I was kind

of worried before we got started because it was two

minutes to go and nobody had shown up yet, and

it wouldn't be the first time that I'd been stood up.

But anyway, Kenneth jumped on with less than two minutes

to go, less than one hundred and twenty seconds. So

because I didn't want to do this as a instructor,

I didn't want to do this as a teacher. It's

better to do it in the fellowship format because when

I get preaching, make no mistakes. I can preach the

fire out of you. Oh yes I can. So I

really don't want to be harsh. I know that everybody's

got these well, everybody's operating tonight with confirmation bias. You

don't know what confirmation bias is.

It is.

Your ability to only see coroborating evidence. You absolutely can

psychologically not process information that contradicts what you believe. I

mean the best example of this is it's the Pretrie rapture.

You have the entire Bible, all the verses contained. Then

you have the verses that you take out of context,

and with those verses that you take out of text

is what you build your belief upon. Well, that's why

I've long stated this. I've stated this since I was

technically a child. I don't believe the Bible God's Holy Word.

I know the big difference. I don't have any beliefs

about it. I accept it, and I process it as

the Gospel truth, as the God given Gospel truth. So

I've told many people this. I've told many pastors this,

I've told many teachers this, I've told many professors this.

Everything I learned the Bible told me so first, my

parents taught me to question anything that the Bible, God's

Holy Word did not validate itself. So I'm glad we're

doing this in the fellowship format that everybody can talk,

they can ask questions, and I've got to do that

right now because this topic of the son of tradition

is very narrow, very narrow. I mean, there's only what

to versus we can go to in the New Testament,

and both of those are the bookends of time itself,

so not a lot to gather from there. So you

have a whole lot that well, whole lot that can

just be conjecture. So seees how Kenneth came in here. First,

let's ask Kenneth. Kenneth, what do you know about the

Son of Perdition? Please riddle me if you can. Come on,

you've heard something about the son of Tradition. Well, they

talk about Judas being the son of Tradition, and he

is and he is, no doubt, I mean, that's what

God's word. Well, that's what Jesus himself said. And we're

going to talk about this. But what about the other

son of perdition, the one that is the home the

man of sin? So you're saying he is I mean,

let's just cut right to the chase. So he is

the anti Christ or not the false prophet? Okay? All right,

all right, let's hear from somebody else. Jinny, what's your

thoughts on the Son of Tradition?

What?

Where?

When?

Why?

I haven't read about it recently, but I mean, yes, essentially,

what Kenneth said I would concur with. I always overlaid

this in a co edition with with the false prophet.

Okay, all right, so that's that's kind of new, right,

because everybody else don't even mention the false prophet. So

everybody else says, no, it's it's the anti crit but uh,

that stuffs pretty interesting. So Carol, would you like to

come on, Kenneth? Can you mut mute your mic? You're

getting some some rustling noise there out of your mic. Carol,

what say you? Give me all the juicy you know,

give me all the all the gossip. What's up with

this son of tradition? Anything, Carol or nothing? Okay, maybe

Carol can't come to the mic. How about Tammy? Tammy

is always good to get the good juicy stuff out

of Tammy if you can. Okay, Carol was speaking.

I didn't know I was muted.

Okay, yeah, you have to push the button, Carol. I

can't push it for you. Okay, go ahead, Carol. What

what say you of the son of Tradition?

So I read both passages in the Dude Testament using

the Son of Tradition before I came on. And he's

a follower of Christ. That's the type the son of

tradition is lost. But he was a follower of Christ.

Well more than that, I mean, give me a break, okay,

you know, I mean we can put into the follower

of Jesus Lazarus.

Right.

No, no, no, he was a disciple. He was up

the ladder as far as you can go. He was

a disciple. So I mean, I appreciate you putting it

lightly that he's a follower. He's more than that. I mean,

we're talking about one of the Base twelve that was

given the power to raise the dead. Amen. Yes, okay,

so this is next level. Judas had commands of the demon.

He could heal anybody, he could raise from the dead.

That's what the Bible says. So I appreciate that. Yes,

he is. Which where have you heard that's spoken before?

I mean, oh, my goodness, I thought that. I thought

the Antichrist was the son of the devil, and he was.

You know, he'd murder his own mother, I guess. So,

I mean, really, what just came out of your mouth, Carol,

is foreign thoughts. Those are foreign thoughts to the mainstream

whatever you want to call it, the mainstream entertainment, I guess.

So let's see if we can get Tammy's take on it. Tammy,

tell me about the son of tradition. What do you

know about the son of tradition? You mean Judas, either

Judas or the last one.

Well, he's a high up guy in the church, and

when he comes the last one, if it were possible,

he would deceive even the elect.

How can you do that unless you come right out.

Of the church.

That is wisdom right there. You're exactly correct. And you know,

once again, Tammy, you're you're bringing up these countermeasures because

everybody that is a part of the clergy. And do

not be misled. Okay, I'm not showing prejudice here. I

mean all of them, all of the clergy, state exactly

the opposite of what you have all said here tonight.

They say that he's he's the direct of the devil.

He's evil from the beginning. He deceives everybody, he hates everybody,

and of course he's not from the church. That's why

they disassociate. They never state that the Son of Perdition

is the false prophet. They never say that. So I'm

gonna ask a very stupid question. Okay, while on earth,

would God ever tell you about the Son of Perdition?

If he wouldn't tell you about the Father of Perdition?

Now let that sink in. Let that sink in real good.

Let that marinate in your mind for a minute. Did

any of you have the wherewithal to can consider? What

if I search this word for predition in the Greek only,

not with the word son, but if I search this

tradition with the Greek word for father, anybody, why wouldn't

you do that? Let me say that again, why why

on earth would you not do that? Why would you

expect God to just randomly give you this phrase the

son of tradition and just leave it there, never telling

you anything about the father of tradition, because oh, yes,

it's there. Oh and once again I don't believe it.

I'm good to share with you things tonight you've never

heard before. Don't even try it. Go to all of

your doctorates of theology, do all the research you can.

And I'm garantee h you have never heard what your

ears are going to hear in this program. Because what

I said is just an elementary thing, and it comes

to a riddle of riddles. It's not just it's not

just something light, it's something extremely foreboding. And you look

at the Greek You're like, man, this doesn't make sense.

This is so hard to translate. You can't get any

two translations to even come close to one another. It's

that bad. You look at this and it's well. I

will say this. The best way to translate this is

to break this verse into because the first part makes

sense by itself, and the second part makes sense by itself.

But you put both pieces together and your it'll stretch

your mind, is what it will do. What it will do,

stretch your mind. So we'll get to that here. If

time permits, Amen. Did I upset you when I said

that if time permits? Did you think you were going

to did all the latest gossip on the son of

tradition tonight? You know, had a pretty serious question to

ask of me yesterday. You really do want this to happen,

don't you? Yes? I do, Yes, I do. I fully,

absolutely desire the Great Tribulation to get kicked off in

twenty thirty I really do. Make no mistakes about it.

My mother would tell you, my wife will tell you this.

If it doesn't happen, if I have to wait till

twenty thirty three, I will be mad about it. So

you have to try to accept something. I'm not like you.

I don't think like you. And believe me, it's not

my choice. We have been below the poverty level, our

whole lives. My wife was well above the poverty level

until she married me. So look, I know this is

confusing to you, but it's never crossed my mind to

start squirreling away money for retirement. So what you're going

to learn tonight is the unadult rated word of God,

and you're just not used to that. All of the

denominations are ran off of the clergy's particular traditions. They

reject what the Bible says. So what you're going to

get here tonight is unfiltered. It is the unadulterated word

of God. And if I was you, I would hold

onto that because the real tricky verses I was talking

about earlier. You're gonna need to know that, because up front,

I mean, tell me this, how many people do you

know that could tell you off the top of their

head how many verses in the Bible begin with the

word word? How many? I mean, how would you translate

a verse that begins with the word word. So first off,

let's start where everybody else starts. Let's start at the

shallow end of the pool, Chapter seventeen, verse twelve. While

I was with them in the world, I kept them

in your thing.

Those whom you gave me I have kept, and none

of them is lost except the son of pradition, that

the scripture might be.

Fulfilled. Now, the first thing I would want to know was, well,

what scripture is that? Right? What scripture is those? Who

is this that's been prophesied? Where is it prophesied right? Well?

Most notably forty one and that Psalm It's plainly states

that his own familiar friend that rises his heel against him.

Of course, Psalm one nine dictates the matter of how

this friend that raises the heel against him is replaced.

These things about the disciples being in his hands is

further elaborated in Isaiah chapter eight as the immenual prophecies.

Do you not know?

Have you not heard? Anyway? Verse eighteen? I am and

the children whom the Lord has given me. We are

for signs and wonders in Israel from the Lord of Host,

who dwells in Zion. So no doubt about it. This

one here being spoken of is absolutely Judas, And you

can't go any farther up the ladder. This is a

disciple of the Lord Jesus Christ, whom is included here

in the priestly prayer. So this is true that tonight

the fellowship themselves brought this up, that this guy's from

the church. Where else would it? Where else could you

perform a great apostasy from You can't become apostate from

outside the church. So let's go to the next one.

Let no one deceive you by any means, for that

day will not come unless the falling away comes first

and the amount of sin is revealed. The Sun of tradition,

who opposes and exalts himself above.

All that is called God or that is worship, so

that he sits as God in the Temple of God,

knowing himself that he is God.

So how do you pair this up with Judas? How

do you pay this up with Judas? One thing is

for sure, this is overtly right to the point, directly

referencing Daniel chapter eleven. It's directly referencing.

So make no.

Mistakes that this must be about the prince who is

to come. Let's go to Daniel chapter eleven, starting in

verse thirty six. Then the king shall do according to

his own will. He shall exalt and magnify himself above

every God shall speak blasphemies against the God of gods,

and shall prosper to the roof has been accomplished. For

what has been determined now be done. He shall regard

neither the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women,

nor regard any god, for he shall exalt himself above

them all. But in their place he shall honor of

God to fortresses, and a God which his fathers did

not know. He shall honor with silver and gold, with

precious stones and pleasant things. Thus he shall act against

the strongest fortresses with the foreign God, which he shall

acknowledge and advance in glory, and he shall cause them

to rule over many and divide the land for game.

Make no mistakes. Second, Thessalonians chapter two is built off

of of these verses Daniel chapter eleven, verses thirty six

through thirty nine. So it would it would stand to

reason that the following verses, verses forty through forty five,

that's not happened yet. These last verses here they tell

you how he comes to an end. Kind of don't

make sense, does it. One thing is for sure. The

other verses, which are not going to cover loudly states

that he is going to die and he will come

up from the earth. Oh, that's right, that's exactly what

Revelation says, that he rises from the earth. That exact

phraseology in Greek is also used of the Witch of

Vendor when she states that he rises from the earth.

This person that she's been instructed to rise up stay

work than Greek. So that being the case, make no mistakes.

It also puts Samuel on a different level, doesn't it.

So very little information to go off of here unless

you choose to start looking at the original language, either

the Hebrew or the Greek. Here we're in the Greek.

This is where all of you are familiar with. You're

familiar with this. You're familiar with John seventeen twelve, and

second Thessalonians, chapter two, verse three. That's what you're familiar with,

and quite honestly, up until this point, it's all that

you have known. But this phrase in Greek does not

just die here. It is other places. We're going to

take a look at one of these places right now,

very strange passage. It's in Proverbs chapter twenty four. Now

this is a little stay, shall we say, because the

proverbs are well, the proverbs are sometimes they're one verse,

sometimes they're five verses. You get my point. You might

call this a stanza, but in Greek this is a strange,

extremely strange. So let's let's let's do a proper fellowship.

I'm honestly not going to have time to do this, everybody,

so you need to let me know. Should I talk

about this? Should I talk about this reference the other

time where son of Tradition is? Or should I talk

about the Father of Perdition? Which one should I talk about?

Because I don't have time to do both. Come on,

somebody better say something. I think the Father of tradition? Okay, Carol,

what say you?

Well?

I went to reading John thirteen and Jesus himself told

us that about the betrayer and that he would he

was the person that lifted his heel against me. And

when I saw the word heal, it just took me

right back to Genesis three. And it's just so clear

Jesus himself speaks about the son of Perdition and Satan

then who entered Judas. Yeah, book of the last Supter,

of the last Supter. So it just fulfills Genesis three.

Yes, And one thing is for sure, Satan's used more

than just Judas is scariot. Yes, so, yes, that's ultimately

what he's talking about. Now, he is ultimately talking about that. Yes, correct,

So which one would you rather me do, the Son

of Perdition or the Father of Perdition?

Well my vote is the son the title son of Perdition.

But you know, okay, all right, may no, I don't

have enough time to do both, but yes, all right,

so everybody, we'll go ahead and continue with the Son

of tradition here in Proverbs chapter four. Now remember we're

doing this from the Greek, so this is not going

to follow your masoretic text, but it's not going to

the mainstay of this ministry has become the Lexham English Septuagen.

We also at times use the New English translation of

the Septuagin the nets. That's why I'm going to read

this from here, even though my critical notes is from

the lax. I just want to read it out of

both of them. So Proverbs chapter twenty four, starting in

verse twenty one. Now take note, this is wildly different.

So the septuagen has twenty two A, twenty two B,

twenty two C, twenty two D, and twenty two E.

Now why would God do that? One thing is for

certain he did. So. This part that has the exact

phrase son of tradition is in twenty two A. I

will bring it to your attention, okay, starting o verse

twenty one, My son, fear God and the key, and

disobey neither of them, for they will unexpectedly punish the impious,

and who shall know their punishments twenty two A. So

here it is a son who keeps the word will

be far removed from destruction, for he received it willingly.

Twenty two B. Let no falsehood be spoken to the

king from the tongue, and no falsehood will proceed from

his tongue. The tongue of the king is a dagger

and not of flesh, and whoever is handed over will

be destroyed, for if his anger is sharpened, it kills

people with throngs, and it devours the bones of people

and consumes them like fire, So they are not food

for young eagles. No, I appreciate that translation, and believe

me when I say, an expert in the Bible, God's

Holy Word, when I say that, that should get your attention,

because the only thing I could say to that translation

in those verses is okay, Well, I guess you could

say that. Now we're going to read it in the

ex So this is the mainstay of this ministry that

lects some English septuagen fear god son and the King,

and disobey neither of them, for they will suddenly punish

the ungodly, And who shall know the retributions of both.

A son who keeps the word will be beyond destruction,

and receiving she received it. Let no falsehood be spoken

from the tongue to the king, and let no falsehood

come out from his tongue. The tongue of the King

is a sword and not want of flesh, and whoever

shall be given up to it will be crushed, For

if his wrath is sharpened, it destroys humans together with sinews.

And he devours the bones of humans and burns them

up like a flame, so that they are inedible for eagles.

Young.

Now I'm gonna say this again, knowing these words and

phrases in Greek, all I gotta say is, well, I

guess you could translate it that way. I appreciate that. So,

now that I've given you all the words, we need

to concentrate on verse twenty two here, because well, I

mean you could say that, and this is one of

the verses in which begins with the word word. It

begins with logos, and you're just scratching your head, like

what because the next word G fifty four or forty

two means to god, it means to watch. The next

two words are the words you know, son and perdition,

Son and perdition. So once you know this you have

to scratch your head and sit there and say, well,

why did they translate it that way? That's a good question. Okay,

First off, you have to break this verse in two

to get it to make sense. So one thing for sure,

some translations, you know, some translators would say, well, this

must mean for the son of perdition is kept outside,

because yes, this clause here most certainly ends with G

sixteen twenty two exterior or the end. So like, what

word to guard son of pradition exterior outside? Now, looking

at it plainly as a translator, it would say the

word guards the son of perdition outside. Let me say

that again.

This is this.

Phrase in Greek. Write this down. It's important. It's logos

word G thirty fifty six. Then it's G fifty four

forty two to guard or to watch. Then G fifty

two O seven son in Greek, and then G six

eighty four pradition, and then G sixteen twenty two exterior

or outside. The word beats the son of pradition outside. Okay,

now let's look at the next phrase. It begins with

I am exist. That's JU fifteen ten. Then it has

G twelve oh nine that's to receive or to accept.

Then it has a conjunction, then it has that word

again in a different form G twelve oh nine, to receiver,

to accept, and then the last word is auto, which

is self. And you're setting there thinking to yourself, Okay, what, well,

what on earth does that say? Well, basically, I mean

rough translation would be he is accepting and he is right.

But I guess that's one way you would you could

translate it. But but when you look at these words

in the Greek, it just leaves you scratching your head.

And I am not being facetious when I say that. Okay,

So the first instance of G twelve nine, well, just

it just well, it can confuse you because it's too

completely different forms here the same word. I mean, in

one sense, it's third person singular right extremely hard to translate.

I mean.

I have received right, I have received. Then once the conjunction,

because if you have received, okay, well, I mean, what's

that going to be? Is it going to be under

but or now? Or then? Or what about so? Or

or it's a conjunction, could be any of those things.

So is it then? Is that what it means? I

receive and receiving and then sells what? Okay? Say that again?

I am g fifteen ten received, I am received.

And being so.

Received I am. So let's look at this verse again

in the L in the Electum English subtugent, this is

twenty two A. It states the son who keeps the

word will be beyond destruction and receiving he receives it.

So what does he receive the word? I guess one

thing is for sure. This is by every stretch of

the imagination, it is a master riddled Greek. That's what

I would say. Yes, Tammy, I see that, I see

you have to go okay, much love. So now that

you see this, now that you understand this series of verses,

you're able to understand that this is extremely important and

this is absolutely saying something about the son of tradition

and whatever he whatever he receives. I mean, look, it

kind of doesn't make sense. You have these two words

for self. You have two words for self. Here you

have G fifteen ten at the beginning, and it ends

with G eight forty six. It's I don't know, does

anybody know what to make of that? Anybody? Man? You

ought to try messing around with Google Translate in these verses, Carol,

what say you? What's going through your mind? Well?

This I'm going to have to consider somewhere. I'm looking

at the morphology on the analytics to sceptu agent, and

it's quite a puzzle. This is definitely a very puzzling proverb.

It is, and it's very dire, isn't it. I mean,

the message is plain to the text from the beginning. Right,

let's read that again, verse twenty one. Fear god son

and the King, and disobey neither of them. Okay, what

have you looked at that verse in Greek?

Because it does say son, it says g Yeah, it

says fear god son and king. Yes it does, Yes,

it does.

I'm looking at it. So let's try the Thompson. It

says my son, fear God and the King. I appreciate

that that's what the Britain says too, My son fear

God and the King, and do not disobey either of them.

I appreciate that the Briton for twenty two A says,

a son that keeps the commandment shall escape destruction. There's

no way you can translate that that way. Where did

the word commandment come from? It was so they're construing

that logos begins that begins the verse is commandment. How

did they come up with escape? Because that's the opposite

of what it states. It does not say escape. It

says to garter keep. So Carol, can anybody does anybody

have access to the Britons Because you look at this

and the Brinch, you're like, that's the exact opposite of

what it says.

There.

Let me read the whole thing. This is from the Britons.

A son that keeps the commandment shall escape destruction for

such and one has fully received it. It's garbage. No, no, no,

It says the word we'll keep the son of perdition.

It doesn't say commandment. It does, it doesn't. It certainly

doesn't say escaped. So and that's just laughable. And I'm

not I'm not picking on the Britons because I've already

told you beforehand. I mean, I've given you the actual

Greek words, and it leaves you scratching your head like

boll how could you translate it? One thing is for sure,

the word son is there, Yes, it is. You can't

just leave it out. Let's try this again in the

New English translation of the subtusen. If my son fear

God and the King and disobey neither of them, for

they will unexpectedly punish the impious, And who shall know

their punishments? Of look of who? Of of God or

the King or the son? Which one?

So?

Anyway, this is a master briddle. But when you listen

to it and you get the feel for it, you

begin to understand that God is saying something incredibly dire,

and it's a whole lot worse than these verses are

plainly relayed twenty two eight. A son who keeps the

word will be far removed from destruction, for he received it.

Willingly let no falsehood be spoken to the king from

the tongue, and no falsehood will proceed from his tongue. Okay,

from whose tongue let's let's read that again. Let no

falsehood be spoken to the king from the tongue, all right,

So that's your tongue, not the king's tongue, right, it's

your timeue, and no falsehood will proceed from his tongue.

So you mean the king's tongue. The tongue of the

king is a dagger, and not of flesh. There's no

such thing as a dagger of flesh. Of course, I mean,

what is this, mister obvious translating this here? Of course,

the tongue is not a literal dagger. That's figurative. But

it goes on to say, and whoever is handed over

will be destroyed, for if his anger is sharpened, it

kills people with throngs. Okay, what do you do? You

understand that doesn't make sense. So you're saying that the

tongue can't be sharpened because it's made of flesh, right,

But then when it does do something, it kills with throngs.

And lastly twenty two E And it devours Okay, so

the tongue or the throng or the sword which one?

And it devours the bones of people and consumes them

like a flame. So that they are not food for

young eagles. Okay, okay, okay, what wouldn't you like to

know what those words are in Greek? I mean, what

so you understand that you have to have your gears

really turning. They have to be really turning. Now, just

so you know, these Greek words are G thirty five

O two and yes, that's what it means, a young ling,

a nestling, so, yes, a nest link and yes. The

next next word is G one o five an eagle,

an eagle. So things that make you go hm hm right.

One thing is for sure. If you want to know

more information about the son of tradition, devianju I figure

out what this states. Because just so you know that

word for eagle. Yeah, the Lord Jesus Christ told you

about that in Matthew chapter twenty four, verse twenty eight.

He stated, for wherever the carcass is there, the eagles

will be gathered together. Yeah, same Greek word, Yeah it yes,

it is. It's G one oh five. So let me

open the floor for questions or comments. We've only got

four minutes left, so any questions, any comments, anybody?

No, the king is this that willful king being spoken

of in this proverb.

Well, like I stated that last phrase in twenty two A,

it begins with the word for I am and it

ends with the word for self or I. So let's

take a look at that again. Okay, So here's the phrase.

It says, I am, that's G fifteen ten. Then it's

G twelve oh nine to receive, so I have received? Right.

Then it has the conjunction G eleven sixty one. It's

conjunction right, so it should say then, right, so I

have received? Then what it's the same Greek word, different

form G twelve oh nine to receive if you accept.

And then lastly it is auto self. So does it

mean what is it saying, Carol? What is it think?

Well?

They they both are verbs, and one is in the

ARUs tense third person singular that twelve of nine, and

then the other one is in the present tense. So

there's two different times that's being talked about here of

being received being used in this received. These words, it's

to me, it's just totally confusing right now. But they're

not the same. They're not being used. Even though they're

they've got the same Strong's number, they are not in

the same and they're both verbs. They're describing a different tense.

And time, and under what circumstance would you do that?

I mean, I'm furious myself. Right, So this truly is riddle.

So the first part is pretty easy. Right, the first

part is pretty easy. The word will contain the son

of tradition. And we know we know who logos is, right,

or you can't say the word kah will guard. I mean,

don't you understand that this first phrase? Now you understand

who it is who's restraining? Right? Did I say that

in a way you could understand it?

So this is the restraint. It's for a certain time

that the restrainer will now let it.

You said that, not me. I'm just saying that. This

is saying that the word is keeping the son of tradition.

Now have you well you obviously have it, So you

haven't had you haven't taken the time to investigate this

word here for to keep or restrain. So let's do that. Okay.

So this exactly back case in form is in Luke

chapter eight, verse twenty nine. Okay, that's right there. So

I'm going to read it, okay from the New King

James Bible. For he had commanded the unclean spirit to

come out of the man, for it had often seized

him and he was kept under guard. Right, there's the word.

He was kept under guard, bound with chains and shackles,

and he broke the bonds and was driven by the

demon into the wilderness. Same exact case and form. Okay,

So that gives you good context here. So once again

that's g FI for forty two g fifty two. He

was kept bound with change, he was chained up. So

that's why you use this Greek word here. It means

to watch your to guard, to be on guard. So

this is literally saying that the word restrains. I mean,

if we were used if we were to use this

phraseology here from the New King James version, okay, it

would say the word has kept the son of tradition. Right,

that's why I told you to do it. That I

told you to break this verse into and then you

can come to grips with it. One thing is for sure.

Let me ask you this, Carol, does the false prophet

is he able to counter man God's will? Let's look

at this another way. I have drilled this into your head.

There is coming a time when the devil will ask

somebody the same thing. He asked, Jesus Christ, if you

worship me, I'll give you all the earth. Remember that. Yes, okay,

So let's think about this first phrase. It says the

word will restrain the son of tradition. Then it says

I will receive and I have received it. This verse

is saying that now he is being restrained, when he

is released, she will receive something and he will claim it.

It's very difficult to get here. I mean obviously, right,

I just read to you three different versions that all

said three different things. Now, the translation that's engross ayres

to Britons. It never said escape, It never said commandment,

it never said none of that junk. I mean, I

mean they made that, and I appreciate that. I mean

looking at it. I mean, I've given you all the

Greek words, and you say that you're set up. They're

looking at it. So how are you looking at it?

You're seeing the parceling information and the strongs. What what

are you looking at? Blue letter Bible or something.

I'm looking at the analytics septuagen and I'm also looking

at this the blue letter Bible. I've got a bunch

of them, so I trying to bring them all together.

Right, You're trying to do it, and you're like, what

this is next level, isn't it? This is like next level,

It's like, but you understand it is talking about the

restraining of the son of tradition. So when you know this, okay,

and you're able to process that information, eventually, it's going

to take you back whence you can. And we came

from Second Thessalonians chapter two. That's where we came from.

Now keep reading, Harold, I want you to read it.

Go to Second Thessalonians chapter two. Okay, okay, go to

verse three that's where we got it from, and just

keep reading. I want you to read all the way

to verse thirteen. So stop reading in verse twelve. So

read three through twelve. Go ahead.

Let no one deceive you by any means, for that

day will not come unless the falling away comes first,

and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition,

who opposes and exalts himself about of all that is

called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits

as God in the Temple of God, showing himself that

he is God. Do you not remember that when I

was still with you, that I told you these things,

and now you know what is restraining that he may

be rebuilt in his own time. You want me to

go to verse nine.

Yes, I go to verse twelve. Keep reading till twelve.

And now you know what is restraining, that he may

be revealed in his own time. For the mystery of

lawlessness is already at work. Only he who now restrains

will do so until he is taken out of the way,

and then the lawless one will be rebuilt, whom the

Lord will consume with the breath of his mouth and

destroy with the brightness of its coming. The coming of

the lawless one is according to the working of Satan,

with all power, signs and lying wonders, and with all

unrighteous deception among those who perish because they did not

receive the love of the truth that they might be saved.

And for this reason God will send them strong delusion

that they should believe the lie. And they all may

be condemned who did not believe the truth but had

pleasure in unrighteousness.

So, Carol, you would have to stay beyond any shadow

of a doubt. Now that I've pointed it out to you.

It can't be taken from you. Second, Thessalonians chapter two

is absolutely referring to Proverbs chapter twenty four, and there

is no way around it. It is referring to the

septuo agents Firse twenty one and twenty two. Twenty two

has more than one part. I mean, it's actually multiple verses.

But so it's a mystery of lawlessness.

One thanks, for sure.

Proverbs twenty two is the mystery of locklessness.

Yes, and one thing's for sure. We know who is

keeping it or guarding it. Logos. So, ladies and gentlemen,

if I've taken you by surprise, well it should. Let's

see what the mesoretic text has for these two verses, right,

So remember that all those verses are taken out. There's

only verse twenty two here. So this is what the

masoretic text says in the New King James version, my son,

fear the Lord and the King do not associate with

those given to change, for their calamity will rise suddenly,

and who knows the ruin those two can bring. So

fac noe. What the masoretic text is doing is removing

twenty two eight twenty two B twenty two C twenty

two D twenty two e five verses of being removed.

So if you were sitting there studying the son of

tradition and just ending right there in second Thessalonians, never

knowing what he's even referring to the to the restrainer, Well,

that's in black and white. The septuagen Proverbs twenty four,

verse twenty two A. It crowdly states what his restraining

this team that is to come this? What is he?

What did it say in the subdugon Let me look

at that again, verse twenty one. I'll look at it

here for you. It says fear God, son and Keith.

That's what it said. So when you know that, and

it doesn't say my son fear God in the king,

that ain't what it says. No, no, no, Son comes

after the word for God. So the Thompson absolutely dead

bang has it wrong. The Briton says, says the same thing,

my son feared God into king. No, no, that's not

what it says. No, no, no, no, no no no no.

The word son is after the word feels. So all right,

it's time to get off here. Any questions or comments.

We can talk about anything. This is the fellowship. So

going to get off topic, we certainly can anybody. No,

I have a quick and possibly off topic question. Okay,

my daughter got a book a while back.

About gemstones, and when she was reading that, and I

was just thinking when you said when you started this,

you said perdition. But this sounded an awful lot like

one of the stones in there, paradox. If you were

to spell the Hebrew, would that would.

That spell about the same? Yes, it would. Okay, I'm

just wondering. I figured there was a correlation. There always is. Well,

thanks for sure. He walked among the stones, Thus saith

the Lord in Ezekiel. Oh yeah.

Too.

Bet.

I didn't have the time to cover any of that either,

but I didn't so anyway, Jennifer, can you pray us

out of here?

Please, our Father, who are in heaven, how would be

thy name, thy kingdom? Come? I will be done on

earth as it is in heaven.

Give us a stayer daily bread.

Forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass

against us. Lead us not into temptation, but deliver us

from evil, for thine as a kingdom, and the power

from the glory forever and never Shamen.

Amen and Amen. Until next time, ladies and gentlemen, God bless,

God speed.