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S3E40 Fellowship 03/12/26

Maranatha Ministries

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  1. Welcome, Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to the fellowship. Impromptu fellowship.

  2. I don't know what we're going to talk about. Who

  3. knows one? Thanks for sure, we can talk about anything

  4. and everything. So last night's program with Michael Parker had

  5. people upset because of the end of the At the

  6. end of the program, which was escaton, we're going through

  7. the end time terminology A A through Z, and I

  8. guess my audio cut out and it really upsets some

  9. people that I'm not familiar with. But they were upset

  10. enough to let me know that, you know, they felt

  11. like that that was pretty important information and that I

  12. need to do an entire program on it. Well, just

  13. so you won't know, I don't have to do anything

  14. save what the Holy Spirit tells me to do. So no,

  15. I don't have to do a whole program on it.

  16. And the whole purpose of me doing programs with Michael

  17. Parker is I am hoping that the Spirit moves between us,

  18. and if the Holy Spirit moves between Michael and I,

  19. I'm hoping that the Holy Spirit will move amongst the listeners.

  20. So I appreciate that you've never heard what I said

  21. before and you were upset because the audio cut out.

  22. I don't know if it was Michael's fault or my fault.

  23. I don't know which one it was. I would imagine

  24. it was Michael because he's the one using all the

  25. processing power. We never have any problems here with our

  26. WiFi or a straight signal. So Michael, his his computer

  27. is streaming to like sure three different platforms, so he's

  28. using all the processing power. So I don't know if

  29. it's he or I. But but I'm not going to

  30. dodge your comments. I am just going to be forthright

  31. with you that I don't care to share it, to

  32. share any information, I mean, let me be forthright with you,

  33. and I don't have to the whole point is that

  34. the I'm hoping that the spirit moves and stirs you,

  35. and if that is what had the effect, well then

  36. I'm very pleased with that. So anyway, that being said,

  37. is there anything anybody wants to talk about tonight? Going once,

  38. going twice, going three times? And gone? So what to

  39. talk about? What could I talk about? One thing? For sure,

  40. all I need to do is just crack my Bible

  41. and things will get get going straight away. But I

  42. hope that everybody is being edified by the partnership I'm

  43. doing with Michael Partner Parker over at Prophecies of the

  44. End Times. He's actually the first ministry that this ministry

  45. was ever friends with online. So that's pretty pretty cool.

  46. So I hope everybody's being edified by that. And and

  47. and I understand, uh, especially if you're a dispensationalist and

  48. you're getting upset with I'm saying because it doesn't it

  49. doesn't jive with what you've been taught your whole life.

  50. And I understand that. And this is one of the

  51. reasons why I'm being very forthright with you that sent

  52. me messages. No, I don't have to do a program

  53. on it, because the last thing on earth I need

  54. to do is it sets you because you know your

  55. dad or your grandma taught you this, and therefore it's

  56. the gospel truth. I'm not. I have no interest in

  57. doing that. I have no interest in doing it at all,

  58. especially if those family members of yours had been born again.

  59. I dare not, you know, contradict someone who I had

  60. been born again that had already entered into the rest.

  61. I have no interest in doing that at all. But

  62. I understand if you're upset, and I was saying things

  63. that was foreign to your hearing. It was not my

  64. intention to counter your your loved ones that that taught

  65. you these things. I will tell you this that I

  66. wasn't raised that way. I was not permitted to be

  67. raised that way. So you need to know that what

  68. I got I got from the Bible and history, mostly encyclopedias.

  69. So no, I was not taught what dispensationalism was. I

  70. wasn't taught what preterism was. As a matter of fact,

  71. the first time I encountered many of those things was

  72. in an institution of higher learning. So that probably comes

  73. to quite a shock to you that how on earth

  74. could I have possibly got to an institution of higher

  75. learning and was not well versed in dispensationalism. Well, I'm

  76. not trying to upset you, but you need to understand

  77. that what I just said is contradiction in terms. Dispensationalism

  78. doesn't hold a single verse in the Bible, not one. Therefore,

  79. to say someone is versed in dispensationalism is a contra

  80. addiction in terms. Now, when it comes to God's word

  81. that I know, I've just had some people that's known

  82. me for a very long time. I get very upset

  83. because they realize that, well, you know the Latin vulgate.

  84. Oh yeah, oh yes I do. They didn't appreciate my response.

  85. I know it because I know my enemy, of course,

  86. but that probably upsets you too, right, And I'm not

  87. I'd say, it's not my purpose to upset you. It

  88. is my purpose to prepare you for what is to come.

  89. That's that's what I'm trying to do. I'm not trying

  90. to upset you. But I understand if what you hear

  91. from me is different than what your parents or your

  92. loved ones or your favorite preacher. I understand of what

  93. I'm saying. This is not falling in line with that.

  94. I am sorry. I am getting you prepared or I'm

  95. trying to for what is to come. And it is

  96. that that is of pearmount importance. That's what's of pear

  97. amount importance. Many of the things that you're going to

  98. hear me talk about. The members of Maranatha ministries have

  99. heard me talk about these things for fifteen years. I

  100. started this online ministry May the tenth or no, I'm sorry,

  101. May the twentieth, twenty ten, so they've heard me talk

  102. about all of these things many times. So you need

  103. to start from here. You need to start that. I

  104. am aware what Bible scholars, or more appropriately, theologians say.

  105. I'm well aware of that, but you need to know this.

  106. It is a matter of historical fact. It is a

  107. matter of astronomical fact that Jesus Christ could have only

  108. been crucified one of two years, that's thirty eight and

  109. thirty three AD. Now the reason for those two years

  110. is this, because unequivocally you can consult the astronomy charts

  111. and readily come to the conclusion that it is those

  112. two years, and those two years only that the historical

  113. evidence provides for the Passover occurring on Friday. Because do

  114. not be misled. The New Testament clearly states that they

  115. ate the Passover. They ate the Last Supper on Thursday evening.

  116. They followed the dictates per Exodus, chapter twelve, verses two

  117. through eleven. That's a fact. This is how they know.

  118. They know that the day of the week that Jesus

  119. Christ was crucified was Friday. They ate he ate the

  120. Last Supper after the sun went down on Thursday, because remember,

  121. the biblical day is sundown to sundown, not sun up.

  122. And if that be true, I know that there's a

  123. Bible verse that once again is of paramount importance that

  124. you are probably unfamiliar with. And once again that's not

  125. my fault, but you need to understand there are promises

  126. that directly apply to this equation directly. Now, I know

  127. that many people don't quote from the Book of Josea

  128. very often. I'm sure that many of you who are

  129. dispensationalists or preterists, you probably have never studied jose at all,

  130. and in doing that, you have no idea that God

  131. has made promises to you. They're in verse two, chapter six.

  132. After two days, he will revive us. On the third day,

  133. he will raise us up that we may live in

  134. his sight. Now, I don't need to belabor the simple

  135. fact that the Bible repeatedly says, both Old and New Testaments,

  136. that a day to the Lord is like a thousand years.

  137. So this is a paramount importance that you need to

  138. You need to come to a dead reckoning us. Now,

  139. many people that are not used to practicing celestial navigation

  140. probably don't understand what I just said. A dead reckoning

  141. is when you can plot your course off the stars

  142. and know exactly where you're at on the globe. This

  143. is called dead reckoning. You could do that with the

  144. crucifixion of Jesus Christ. And as I just told you,

  145. what just come out of my mouth is quite simply

  146. beyond contestation the Lord Jesus Christ.

  147. He was.

  148. Either crucified one of those two dates. So you only

  149. need to come to an understanding of this that if

  150. that be true, and it is true, and it is true,

  151. that two thousand year promise is either up in twenty

  152. thirty or twenty thirty three, and you personally need to

  153. postulate a dead reckoning of where you're at based on

  154. that and based on nothing else, and I mean nothing else.

  155. Most of you need to probably write this down. She

  156. was either crucified April the seventh, thirty a d. Or

  157. April the third, thirty three AD. I'm hoping for the

  158. former one. Why well, because I'm hoping that I'm one

  159. of the ones that are alive and remain. But you

  160. can all probably probably well ascertain that, well, they are

  161. only three years apart. Yes, you're quite correct, they're only

  162. three years apart. So you need to come up with

  163. your dead reckoning. What will happen in twenty thirty. Will

  164. something happen then or will something happen before then? Because

  165. let's just talk about dispensationalism. Okay, I mean, I'm not

  166. picking on them by any stretch of the imagination, but

  167. they need to determine, well, okay, if that be true,

  168. If that be true, it's got to mean a couple

  169. of things. Because they believe that the tribulation is seven

  170. years the rapture, their raptured date has already come and gone.

  171. Therefore it forces them to look that, well, it must

  172. be the later date of thirty three AD. Then they

  173. have to decide, well, if that be true, how much

  174. time do they god because of this mechanism, because they

  175. because of confirmation bias, they do not believe in any way,

  176. shape or form that it could possibly be a crucifixion

  177. date of thirty a D. They can't because if it

  178. was in thirty or we've only got four years until

  179. twenty thirty, So they're preconceived notions of a free tribulation,

  180. rapture before a seven year tribulation doesn't work. The next

  181. question is, okay, what does the crucifixion mean? Does that

  182. mean that, well, the rapture is going to be in

  183. twenty thirty does that? What it mean is that the

  184. halfway point you need to be able to come to

  185. a dead reckoning with what God says. And that is

  186. a very difficult thing to do. I mean, for example,

  187. here in the Fellowship we have John Justice. He is

  188. going to an Orthodox church. So if he had been

  189. born and raised in that Orthodox church, it would be

  190. very to convince him of anything else. His ears are

  191. not used to hearing what God's word says. He is

  192. used to his priest and his bishops telling him what

  193. the Bible means. Two very different things. So if you

  194. are raised in a Baptist churchless say, you're going to

  195. do the exact same thing as John. He's not going

  196. to be able to hear what I say due to

  197. confirmation bias. That makes my job extremely difficult. But let's

  198. talk sensibly. Can we can we come together, you and

  199. I and reason one with another. I mean, I can

  200. certainly bring John on right now, and because I know

  201. everything that he's thinking and everything that he's been taught,

  202. because he wasn't always Orthodox, I can have an intelligent

  203. conversation with him. What about you? If did somebody want

  204. to speak? I heard of mic.

  205. Come on, I just said, amen, John, thank you? So

  206. can we speak sensibly?

  207. Can I speak to you about certain things and we

  208. just reason together honestly? Can you? Can you do that?

  209. And let's say you're a dispensations let's say that. Let's

  210. say your need deep. Let's say you're well beyond dispensationalism.

  211. Let's say you are a born in doctrined into Christian

  212. Zionism dispensationism. If that's the case, can I ask you

  213. honest questions and thus reason things out? I mean, this

  214. isn't my first rodeo, and I've been teaching since I

  215. was a child. What do I mean by that? When

  216. I was in youth group, I was such a prodigy

  217. that the church members was having me teach the younger classes,

  218. the elementary kids. I was teaching them. What Oh, that

  219. was a long time ago, once or twice a month.

  220. So this isn't my first rodeo. So let's just say

  221. ask the most basic question, right, who's the one hundred

  222. and forty four thousand. That's kind of a trick question, though,

  223. isn't it. That's a trick question because they're in two

  224. different chapters in Revelation, right, say that again, John, I

  225. didn't catch.

  226. It two different sets of one hundred and forty four thousand.

  227. You said, yes, But most people don't think that, John,

  228. Most people think it's the same group. But yes, Is

  229. that reasonable, John? Is it reasonable to say that this

  230. group of one hundred and forty four thousand is the

  231. same group just in two different chapters?

  232. It makes sense to me. But the issue I've always

  233. come up with is a group they say is one

  234. hundred and forty four thousand, there's no lie. They've never

  235. looked on a woman. Well, that's no human living, never

  236. has been a human living. They've all been fallen. So

  237. how's this group got no dile on their lips before?

  238. Amen? And that's completely different than the group in Revelation

  239. chapter seven because the group in Revelation chapter seven are

  240. numbered just like the numbering done in Numbers chapters one, two,

  241. and three. They are numbered as if they are the

  242. heads of households, so completely completely different dynamic. That is

  243. to say, it is reasonable to assume that there are

  244. two separate groups of one hundred and forty four thousand.

  245. And that's without me looking at the Greek or even

  246. looking beyond that, looking ato the Hebrew with the Delisch

  247. New Testament, which we can do. I'm not going to

  248. do any of that because we're just speaking rationally. We're

  249. coming together and reasoning together. Now, the problem with my

  250. statement so far is many of you don't remember numbers

  251. chapters one, two, and three. I mean, how many people here,

  252. Let's ask John, John, how many times have you intentionally

  253. read numbers one, two and three? How many times have

  254. you done that?

  255. Well, I've kind of been on a kick lately, but

  256. it's been audiobook audio Bible as well, just trying to

  257. go through them.

  258. So you're trying to say you've never intentionally went there

  259. just to read it and study it. No, sir, Okay,

  260. Well that creates some logistical problems because what I said

  261. just a few minutes ago, the numbering in Revelation chapter

  262. seven occurs after the manner of the numbering of the

  263. heads of household in numbers one, two, and three. Now,

  264. the problem if you do decide to just I'm going

  265. to study this numbering and let's go there and listen number,

  266. You're gonna walk into a quagmire this. First of all,

  267. First off, God says, okay, number everybody. Then God says,

  268. do not number this group. Then he says, okay, now

  269. number this part of that group. So when you get

  270. into it, it's kind of crazy. But the idea is this,

  271. there is a group that God says they are for me,

  272. they are mine, They are not reckoned according according to

  273. the number. So if you're unfamiliar with numbers chapters one, two,

  274. and three, you don't have enough familiarity with the topic

  275. to discuss it. You're just quite simply unfamiliar with the concept.

  276. You just you don't know what's going on. That makes

  277. it very hard for me to field questions about the

  278. one hundred and forty four thousand when the people asking

  279. the questions have no idea why certain groups are being

  280. numbered and why there's different groups being numbered. They're just

  281. they cannot have an intelligent, reasonable conversation about it. They

  282. can answer the question. Well, that's if we read those

  283. simple verses. I mean, let's take Revelation chapter seven. You're

  284. only talking about the first eight verses, eight verses. Let's

  285. talk about the second group from Revelation chapter fourteen. That's

  286. only five verses. How many verses is that total? Thirteen

  287. verses altogether? Even as far as the chapter goes that's

  288. very short. The average chapters, like you know, twenty one verses.

  289. But it's impossible for me to discuss those thirteen verses

  290. if you don't know why the numbering ever occurred, I can't.

  291. I can't have an intelligent conversation with you now. At

  292. least John is doing what I do, and when I

  293. can't have a Bible in my hand. Yes, ladies and gentlemen,

  294. I listen to it on the way to work, on

  295. the way home from work, when I'm driving, That's what

  296. I listen to. I know that everybody listens to contemporary

  297. Christian music. I assure you I do not. I don't.

  298. I'm either reading God's word or I'm hearing it. I'm

  299. listening to it. So extremely important that you know that

  300. you're able to have some concept of what's going on,

  301. and if you're unfamiliar with what God has told you before,

  302. it's just it's pointless for me to have this conversation

  303. with you, and most of you cannot tolerate hearing God's word.

  304. Do you know how I know that you have no idea?

  305. Over the past fifteen years, how many times I've been

  306. cursed at in text and emails because I was wasting

  307. everybody's time reading the Bible. They didn't want to hear

  308. me read through the verses. They can do that themselves.

  309. They just wanted me to give them sixty minutes of

  310. commentary about what the Bible says. They don't want to

  311. hear what it has to say, they want my commentary

  312. on it. Now, to those of you that have been

  313. born again, you realize that's a big red flag, isn't it.

  314. Most churchgoers have not been born again. So let me

  315. just read a little bit from this. And would you

  316. listen if I told you you cannot have an intelligent

  317. conversation about one hundred and forty four thousand unless we

  318. study these first three chapters of numbers. Are you getting

  319. upset because you're afraid I'm going to start reading the Bible?

  320. If you are, I'm sorry about that. But let's just

  321. I'm not going to read very much. How about the

  322. first four verses? How about that? Okay? Numbers Chapter one

  323. from the New King James version. Now, the Lord spoke

  324. to Moses in the wilderness of Siinai in the Tabernacle

  325. of Meeting on the first day of the second month

  326. in the second year, after they had come out of

  327. the land of Egypt, saying, take a census of all

  328. the congregation of the children of Israel, by their families,

  329. by their fathers houses, according to the number of names

  330. every male individually from twenty years old and above all

  331. who are able to go to war and Israel. You

  332. and Aaron shall number them by their armies. And with

  333. you there shall be a man from every tribe, each

  334. won the head of his father's house. Not very hard, right,

  335. didn't have to get into all the technical details. Let

  336. me ask you something. So what do you call churches? Now?

  337. Right here? Let's let's let's scroll in a little bit.

  338. What is the temple of the Holy Spirit? That's the

  339. individual believer, right, right? So that is to say, a

  340. church is supposed to be a body of believers. Right,

  341. So you should instinctively understand that. However that works, that

  342. must be talking about the clergy today. What he would

  343. say if we were to translate this today, he would

  344. have said this, let's go to the fourth verse. You'll

  345. be able to readily understand it. And with you there

  346. shall be the pastor from every church, each one the

  347. head of his father's church. Who's the father, God, the Father?

  348. This is talking about the clergy now without reading any further,

  349. because I realized that if I start reading from here,

  350. a lot of you who's not hearing it able to

  351. process even want to. You don't have the desire to

  352. read a bunch of genealogies. Right, That's not what's important here.

  353. What's important is the message, not the names. Now, this

  354. covers the first eight verses we talked about Revelation chapter seven,

  355. verses one through eight. If you just do this on

  356. your own time, read the first three chapters of Numbers,

  357. you'll understand what's happening in those first eight verses of

  358. Revelation chapter seven. Now we'll go this about it a

  359. completely different way with the one hundred and forty four

  360. thousand mentioned in Revelation chapter fourteen. We're going to do

  361. this a completely different way. Why because it relays the

  362. information a completely different way. That's why one thing is

  363. for sure. With the first numbering, the only location that

  364. we're given of those that are numbered is that they're

  365. on planet Earth. Did I just take you by surprise?

  366. I did, didn't I? Some of you are upset with

  367. me now because I said something that was contradictory to

  368. your confirmation bias. Well, maybe I should stop and backtrack.

  369. The first group of one hundred and forty four thousand

  370. is not in heaven. An angel with the soul of

  371. the Living God does not run around heaven and seal

  372. the foreheads of one hundred and forty four thousand people.

  373. And the only place they could be in heaven. The

  374. Bible clearly says that Paradise is in the third Heaven.

  375. That's not what this says. What does it say? If

  376. I read it, will you believe it? And that's all

  377. I'm wanting you to do to at least consider that

  378. this is saying these one hundred and forty four thousand

  379. people are on Earth at the time of the event. No,

  380. I'll do exactly what I did before, and I'm just

  381. going to read the first four verses. That's fair, right,

  382. I'm not going to get into you know, Judah was YadA, YadA, YadA,

  383. and there were so many families. I'm not going to

  384. do that, right, I read the first four verses, so

  385. let's do that here, right, So I'll read the first

  386. four verses of Revelation chapter seven. You've been taught these

  387. one hundred and forty four thousand are like somewhere else. Right.

  388. More importantly, you've been taught there's some other time. Just

  389. listen to the first four verses. After these things, I

  390. saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth,

  391. holding the four winds of the Earth, that the wind

  392. should not blow on the earth, on the sea, or

  393. on any tree. Now, ladies and gentlemen, this is very intentional.

  394. These people are not in heaven. Okay, these people aren't

  395. dead bishops. I didn't say that to be mean to

  396. you if you're Catholic or Orthodox, but I'm telling you

  397. the truth. I know that your clergy tells you that

  398. when these priests and bishops die, they go to heavenly court.

  399. This is contradictory to that. These people are obviously on earth.

  400. They're not in heaven. Verse two. Then I saw another

  401. angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the

  402. Living God. And he cried out with a loud voice

  403. to the four angels to whom it was granted to

  404. harm the earth and the sea, saying, do not harm

  405. the earth or the trees to we have sealed the

  406. servants of our God on their foreheads. And I heard

  407. the number of those who were sealed one hundred and

  408. forty four thousand of all the tribes of the children

  409. of Israel were sealed. Now look, I'm not I'm not

  410. talking to you about theology. I am speaking with you rationally.

  411. It is nonsensical for you to say this group of

  412. one hundred and forty four thousand is anywhere except alive

  413. and on earth, and especially if you're able to learn

  414. how to read the Greek and read the Greek's He

  415. gave you directions. He gave you north, southeast, and west.

  416. He gave you land, sea, air, ladies and gentlemen. If

  417. someone has convinced you that this group of one hundred

  418. and forty four thousand are are the people that have

  419. achieved a sainthood and are in the Third Heaven in Paradise,

  420. that's not rational of you to say that. It's just

  421. not it's not rational for you to say that. Now,

  422. I need to give that a rest. Okay, I need

  423. to give that a rest. Let's go to Revelations chapter fourteen. Here.

  424. Here it's five verses, and it's going to say some

  425. things that Well, if someone has taught you that this

  426. means something other than what it's saying, you're probably going

  427. to get upset with me. But this is just going

  428. to be done elementary. I have taught. I've taught all

  429. the different Sunday school age groups, all of them. Okay,

  430. so I'm not trying to upset you, but I'm going

  431. to read this very elementary, like I'm only going to

  432. read one verse just for the sake of making sure

  433. that you know I don't I don't produce information overload,

  434. and then your mind just shuts down, and ten minutes

  435. after I say it, you won't be able to bring

  436. to memory what I spoke because I've overloaded your mind.

  437. So I'm just going to read one verse Revelation chapter fourteen,

  438. Verse one. Then I looked and behold a lamb standing

  439. on Mount Zion, and with him one hundred and forty

  440. four thousand having his father's name written on their foreheads.

  441. Now take note, is this what happened to the group

  442. before it? This group is very plain. It says that

  443. It says that they have the father of the lamb's

  444. name on their forehead. Now, I just read to you

  445. the first four verses of Revelation chapter seven, because that's

  446. not what was put on their foreheads. What was put

  447. on their foreheads was the seal of God, not his name.

  448. So who is supposed to go to Mountain Zion? I mean,

  449. let's just take that information. Right there, It says that

  450. this group of one hundred and forty four thousand was

  451. with him on Mount Zion. Right, that should be pretty

  452. easy to track down if we just do a word

  453. search on that word Zion. Surely God is going to

  454. put somewhere in the Bible where people go up to

  455. Mount Zion. I mean, this should be easily accomplished with

  456. just a simple word search and a simple program. And

  457. I'm here to tell you that that is exactly the case.

  458. When you do a search for Zion, not too many

  459. verses come up, but one verse tells you what they are.

  460. How many of you are familiar with just twenty one verses?

  461. It's just a twenty one verse long book. Let me

  462. ask you what is the Book of Obadiah about? Most

  463. of you will readily say I have no idea. No,

  464. say I you know I have read it, but I

  465. don't remember. I'll read it to you, Okay. The only

  466. thing we need to know about it is this. There's

  467. one hundred and forty four thousand of them. The New

  468. King James version Obadiah, verse twenty one. Then Savior shall

  469. come to Mount Zion to judge the mountains of Esau,

  470. and the kingdom shall be the lords. So there you go.

  471. There you go. Now that's as simple as you can get.

  472. That.

  473. For whatever reason, this verse is saying that saviors, one

  474. thing is for sure. I just proved with just two

  475. verses that these two groups cannot be the same. They

  476. can't be and they can't be the same place. Why

  477. can't they be the same thing? Why can't they be?

  478. Well?

  479. First and foremost, we talked about what was on their heads.

  480. Right one group has God's name, not Jesus's name, and

  481. be specific about it. It said the father of the lamb.

  482. They have his name on their forehead. The other verse

  483. said that the people on earth were stealed on their

  484. forehead with the seal of God. So one has the

  485. seal of God. Whatever that looks like. Right here, let

  486. me relax your mind. Do you know that I know

  487. what the seal looks like? Would that blow your mind?

  488. Do I know the details of it? No? But guess

  489. what that seal looks like. It's the seal that is

  490. on the seven sealed scruggle. Whatever whatever that seal is,

  491. that's what gets puts on their forehead. Did I shock

  492. you that I knew that? Have you never heard that before? Well,

  493. let's talk about the second thing. One group is obviously

  494. on planet Earth. The other group specifically is on Mount Zion.

  495. Where's that Hebrews chapter twelve, verse twenty two. But you

  496. have come to Mount Zion and to the city of

  497. the Living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company

  498. of angels. I'm sorry that if somebody else has convinced

  499. you that Mount Zion is on Earth, it's not. It

  500. is the seat of God's power. This is right. Revelation

  501. plainly tells you that Heaven was open up, and guess

  502. what was saw in heaven? Yes, the Ark of the

  503. Covenant Hebrews chapter twelve, verse twenty two states authoritatively, the

  504. Mount Zion's in heaven. So so what I'm telling you

  505. is true. What is written on these two different groups

  506. foreheads is different, two different things, and their location is

  507. two different places. One is overtly on Earth, the other

  508. is overtly in Heaven. If I've upset you, I'm sorry.

  509. I'm sorry. If I'm contradicting you know your Grandpa. That's

  510. not my intention. It's not my intention to upset you

  511. because I'm saying something uh that you're you know, grandmother

  512. didn't teach. I am in no way trying to upset

  513. you that way. I'm just I'm just pointing out reasonable

  514. things the Bible's saying. But the Bible said it reasonably.

  515. I mean, there's no way you could get these two

  516. groups confused. But yet if I talk with somebody that's

  517. had theological training and they say, well, yes, the group

  518. of one hundred and forty four thousand, they're Christ heavenly

  519. counsel of priests and bishops that have achieved sainthood. Really,

  520. and I just there's no point for me to argue

  521. with them, because if you can't figure out that these

  522. are two separate groups, I you know, there's well, for one,

  523. the Word of the Living God says we're not allowed

  524. to argue, So I'm really not permitted to argue with

  525. you anyway. But to me, it just makes me shake

  526. my head and I just well, the only question that

  527. I will tell you this privately, what I think to

  528. myself is who has bewitched you? That's the ill? And

  529. of course I could challenge them and and well, start

  530. an argument, but that's all it would be, would be

  531. an argument, and all they would do would be get upset,

  532. and they would not believe a word that I said.

  533. You want to know why, because they refuse to believe

  534. that what the Bible said it meant. They have been

  535. taught the Bible means something other than what it plainly says.

  536. And at that point, because I have taken psychology, I

  537. understand that they do not need a theologian. What they

  538. need is a psychologist. They have confirmation bias and they

  539. quite simply cannot. They cannot properly process information. They can't.

  540. They've been indoctrinated, They've been programmed. Is that a mean

  541. thing to say? Of course, it's a mean thing to say.

  542. That's why I don't tell them that, because there's just

  543. because there's no purpose in doing it. I am telling

  544. you so that you are able to at least have

  545. your eyes open to the simple fact that that, wait

  546. a minute, something is going on here. What you need,

  547. once you realize this is true, you need to undergo

  548. critical thinking training. You really do. You need to learn

  549. how to analyze information, arguments, and evidence independently. Look, I'm

  550. not trying to confuse you. Rewind this and listen to

  551. it again. There's three things. There's information, and there's arguments

  552. about that information, and then there's the evidence. Because to

  553. determine what the evidence is, there's no point in arguing

  554. about it. That's what I've did with you here, you

  555. and I in the past sixty minutes. I've been able

  556. to reasonably prove to you that the evidence states there's

  557. not one group of one hundred and forty four thousand,

  558. there's two different groups. And like I said, I'm sorry

  559. if that goes against what your favorite creature says, or

  560. your grandmother or I'm not wanting to offend what they

  561. said in any way. But if this be true, and

  562. because I haven't yelled at you or screamed at you,

  563. you've been able to set here and have your eyes

  564. open just by me reading very few verses. I didn't

  565. read very many verses. If I was able to open

  566. your eyes to the simple fact that these things are true,

  567. you probably need to go through cognitive restructuring. And that's

  568. that's got nothing to do with the theologian. You can't

  569. go to a seminary and get that. You need to

  570. have your mind trained to. All right, Liz, read the

  571. Book of Ruth, and let's believe everything that the Book

  572. of Ruth says and then start categorizing the information. The

  573. best way to do that we all learned in elementary school. Well,

  574. I mean, after your certain age, it's making an outline.

  575. Make an outline for yourself of Ruth. Do you have

  576. to retrain your mind through cognitive restructuring? All right, it's

  577. at the top of the hour, so I need to

  578. stop this. And I'm sorry if I've confused you or

  579. upset you. I'm really sorry if you're Orthodox because I

  580. was mentioned Orthodox. I'm sorry if you're a dispensationalist, if

  581. you got upset that I mentioned those things. I was

  582. not attacking you. I was just giving you examples from

  583. what is common to your and mind database. That's all

  584. I was doing. I wasn't trying to say anything bad

  585. about anybody, So all right, that being said, is there

  586. anything anybody wants to talk about? Questions? Comments?

  587. I might speak for myself here, but you don't never

  588. offend me none. And as far as talk about Orthodoxy,

  589. talk about all of it. Pull the truth out of everything.

  590. Always better to find the truth than have something lined

  591. about and I mean I like it. You know, there's

  592. things I like about it, but there's things I disagree

  593. with it too. And I mean I grew up in

  594. a church that had a flag and a Jewish flag

  595. right there, and so I definitely disagree with all that too.

  596. You know, there ain't no perfect church no more. And

  597. I like hearing what you got to say about all

  598. of them because it's all helped me out.

  599. Well, thank you, John. All Right, anybody else, this.

  600. May be a topic for a whole nother discussion. But

  601. two groups, two occatients. Okay, what is God trying to

  602. tell us? What have I not learned?

  603. Well that's a big question. Well let me ask you this.

  604. Uh and and who am I speaking with? Scott?

  605. This is Scott?

  606. Yes, all right, thank you, a pleasure to meet you,

  607. by the way, make your acquaintance. Let me ask you.

  608. Let let me ask you this. Have you studied the

  609. first three chapters of numbers?

  610. I have not, So that sounds like a starting point.

  611. That is absolutely a starting point. And I'm going to

  612. tell you right now that how I did it and

  613. how I teach everybody else to do it is do

  614. so with a highlighter you're gonna need it. You're gonna

  615. need it because there's different groups being numbered, and you

  616. need to be able to segregate that in your mind

  617. because when you read it at academically, well, it's just

  618. a list of names, right, you got so many people

  619. from Judas, so many people from Levi, so many people

  620. from Simon. Right, you have these, But that's not what

  621. it's about. That's not what it's about. And it is

  622. so easy to read it like you're trudging along. You know,

  623. you have to read this. This is in your Bible plan.

  624. So we just have to read these three chapters today

  625. if I'm going to get through the whole Bible in

  626. a year. So this is what we got to do, right,

  627. don't read it that way.

  628. Don't exactly ten years, twelve years, twenty years. It's just

  629. been oh, I'm at this part again.

  630. It is, you know, let's do this. I've got my

  631. document here open. This is a very old document. But

  632. let me just read a little bit to you. Okay.

  633. I almost start reading in verse forty seven. Okay, so

  634. this passes up all those this family had this many people,

  635. that family, and it passes all that and it gets

  636. us to the first differentiation. So starting in verse forty seven,

  637. the Levites, however, were not numbered among them by their

  638. father's tribe, for the Lord had spoke to Moses saying,

  639. only the tribe of Levi you shall not number, nor

  640. shall you take their census among the sons of Israel.

  641. But you shall appoint the Levites over the Tabernacle of

  642. the Testimony and over all its furnishings, and over all

  643. that belongs to it. And they shall carry the tabernacle

  644. and all its furnished YadA.

  645. YadA, YadA, YadA YadA. Right, YadA, YadA, YadA YadA.

  646. It's good for you to realize that. Wait a minute, right,

  647. here's a great big differentiation between the two. But God's

  648. not done there. So if you realize, you're able to

  649. take a highlighter and highlight each of those names, right,

  650. just highlight them so they're separate in your mind. You

  651. know you're gonna have Let's just go to uh verse

  652. twelve of Dan YadA YadA, YadA, of Asher YadA, YadA, YadA.

  653. So it makes it easier if you just outline the

  654. tribe name Dan and Asher, it will help you cut

  655. to the chase to understand it. Okay, this is the

  656. tribe of God and there's two names associated with that.

  657. So I'm gonna say this in a way you can

  658. understand it. So that denomination had two churches in its district.

  659. But look, if you read those first three chapters of numbers,

  660. you will be able to mechanically understand why God is

  661. clearly talking about two different groups in Revelation. So once again,

  662. it's it's it's hard for me to have a conversation

  663. with you about this if you don't know those first

  664. three chapters of numbers first. So it is reasonable that

  665. now that I've brought it to your attention, Scott, you

  666. need to make it an effort to study those first

  667. three chapters because it's got some well you would consider

  668. it some crazy things to say, some things that you

  669. have forgotten about, because there's all kinds of stuff in there.

  670. That and there is one group that God has for himself,

  671. very special group, and that group is specifically talked about

  672. in the book Revelation. And it comes right out and

  673. tells you that comes right out and tells you that

  674. and this group is absolutely psolutely exclusive and I mean

  675. exclusive to God himself. Well, it's a big thing to say,

  676. isn't it? But it is true? O? SKay? Anybody else

  677. questions comments? M really, nobody else has anything they want

  678. to say. Did anybody learn anything tonight?

  679. No?

  680. Okay, Well I guess we're ready to get prayed out

  681. of here? So who's gonna pray us out of here? Uh? Oh,

  682. you might have to pick on somebody. Well, I've just

  683. seen that Brian's in the room. How's going, bry and

  684. Carol just joined? Well, Carol, that you all get here,

  685. didn't it? Because we're done? Well? Better late than never,

  686. But I guess it's never then late.

  687. Night.

  688. Sorry, I.

  689. Couldn't figure out how to unmute.

  690. Okay, all right, Well, no, biggie, how's going, briy Yah?

  691. Not too bad.

  692. It's just I've been following along for the last few

  693. days and weeks, of course. But some good stuff, that's

  694. for sure.

  695. Yeah, good stuff. I hope you've been enjoying my stuff

  696. with Michael Parker.

  697. Oh yeah, big time.

  698. He's uh, he's got a big heart, so he's very

  699. well intentioned. Yeah, good stuff. Good.

  700. Yeah, and that part stands out the most to me.

  701. It's hard, that's what just shines.

  702. Yes, yes it does, Yeah, it does. So good stuff

  703. with good stuff with Michael. So all right, who wants

  704. to pray us out of here? Anybody? You know what, No, no, no, Carol,

  705. you have to pray us out of here.

  706. Okay, So let's start with the Lord's prayer.

  707. Our Father, who are in heaven. Hello, be a thy name,

  708. Thy Kingdom. Come.

  709. Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.

  710. Give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us

  711. our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us.

  712. And lead us not a temptation, but deliver us from evil.

  713. For Thine is the king forever and never. Thank you Father,

  714. Thank you for the breath of life. Thank you Jesus

  715. for the blood of the Lamb. Thank you for salvation

  716. and Jesus nay, Amen, Amen and amen.

  717. All right, ladies and gentlemen, until next time, God bless,

  718. God speed.