Exodus 2 Isochronology

Welcome, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the program. I am

your host, Matthew Miller, and today we're having on special

guests from the archives of Ben Lawrence. So wow, it's

been a long time since Ben has been with us

on a program. Our last program that we did together

was Adventures in Isochronology, and that was I dare say

how long ago that was. But Ben called me last

night and he wanted to talk about events specifically in

Exodus chapter two. Now, most people, if they want to

talk about Bible prophecy, that's the last thing on earth

they're going to talk about. It's literally the last thing

on earth they'll talk about. So with that in mind,

I'm pretty interested to see where Ben is wanting to

go with this. So Ben, join us and give us

your thoughts. Where's this all going.

Well, it's good to be with everybody, and really where

this is coming from. I've been working on writing a book,

a fictional account of a church that starts to actually

read the Bible. I know that might sound funny to people,

but a lot of churches, I don't think people actually

read the Bible. They read the study guides and the

handouts and everything else, and what we've gotten with you, Matthew,

going back all the way to twenty ten is really

Bible first, and then remembering what you read last time

in that formula makes the whole thing come a lot.

And so I was I've been working on a fictional book,

and it just got my gears going. And you know,

every time I look at it, I never cease to

be amazed. You know, you hear about the angels in

heaven and every time they go around the throne they

speak to a new thing about about God. You know,

to the uninitiated, you probably would think that might get born,

but it's actually the most important seat in the room

because there we see everything.

Not only do you see everything in the four Cardinal directions,

you see everything in the future, in the past, and

then the present. So yeah, that puts a new dynamic

to this, especially when when you come to the realization,

and that's what the Bible is is there's an event

that happens, and God remembers it, and he will literally

set future events off what has been because of this

strange passage in Ecclesiastes that states that he chases after

what has been. So when you realize that dynamic. Exodus

chapter two takes on a whole new dimension, a whole

new dimension, because well, for the all the said reasons,

but what you're describing in your book, which I am

to chapter eighteen in your book, I have literally witnessed

this happen. What I want to say is probably gonna

upset a lot of people, but this is true. This

is why many churches will not permit there to be

Bible studies outside of the church. They won't permit it.

And the very reason is what Ben has constructed his

book around. If you have a sect within a denomination

that starts reading their Bible, they quickly figure out that

what's being pushed from the pulpit is well, how do

I politely put that? Unbiblical? Let's just put it that way.

So it's amazing to me that I've witnessed this happen

numerous times, numerous times. This is exactly what the effect

has on churchgoers when they begin reading the Bible. Ben,

That's absolutely the truth.

Yeah, And I mean, there's just so much life in

the Bible is just so different. The study guides the handouts,

the procedural, almost ritualistic approach that people take to you know,

I think religion is you know, it's a it's churches

of religious experience, whereas you know, reading the Bible is

a spiritual experience and you actually do it. It's full

of life.

It is absolutely you know, it is amazing that that

you would put it that way, that people just go

through these procedures. They they they have these rituals. And

you know, that's the idea that Isaiah chapter twenty nine,

verse thirteen is built around that very idea that this wrote.

You just keep you know, we all know what Easter

Sunday is going to be, but we still go to

Easter Sunday anyway, and we literally encounter nothing new. But

this is where that verse comes into play. You know. Therefore,

the Lord said, in as much as these people draw

near to me with their mouths and honor me with

their lips, but have removed their hearts far from me,

and their fear toward me is taught by commandment of men.

Now some translations use the word wrote they do this

because of rote. So yes, that word just exemplifies what

you're saying. We do these things and we just listen

because it's it's just a habit, and we believe whatever

they tell us, whatever these Bible materials say, that's what

we believe when nobody takes the time to look at

the you know, look at the study Guide. Well, how

much of my tithe money went to the study God?

When right, there's the Bible. Why am I reading something

about the Bible when I could just read the Bible

itself and find out what it says for myself. That's

the enduring question here. And this is what happens when

people realize that church splits come. Soon after there will

be a faction of people that begin to study the

Bible at their house and start a small group that

is not by an authorized member of the clergy, and

that group will splinter off and start their own church.

That's what comes natural. That's a natural function, and the

clergy knows this regardless of denomination. I've seen this happen

across the boards. I don't know a denomination this hasn't

happened with, to be honest with you. So you wanting

to take a look at Exodus chapter two is just surprising.

I mean, how many steady guides are on Exodus chapter two?

I don't know of any. That's flat truth. I don't

know of any So that begs the question, why did

you choose Exodus chapter two?

Ben, I mean, Exodus is it's basically the pattern for

end time events, and so much of it. You know,

chapter one is important, but chapter two is just is

just the meat and potatoes of it. And by the

time you get to chapter three, I mean, it's coming

in fast. But there's just so much right there. It's

just if you can show that to people and they

can see that that this pattern is in the Bible,

and it's just waiting for them to remember, waiting for

them to get curious about the Word of God. It

becomes alive, becomes magical, it becomes real.

It does. It becomes magical, it becomes alive, It becomes real.

And what makes something real is the last verse. You

realize that everything else before then was just lip service.

Nobody knows what I'm talking about yet, So let me

read the final verse, because that's why these these these

small groups stop going to their church buildings. This is why,

this is what happens. The spirit moves and this is

what happened. And God looked upon the children of Israel

and God anowledged them. That's when it becomes real. That's

when that's when it becomes real because God decides he's

going to get involved. Now this happened. God's involvement is

what kickstarted Christianity. We all call that by a couple

of different names. We call that by you know, it

can be called Chavuote, it can be called Easter. It

is Pentecost. That's where God God involved. He filled his

believers with the Holy Spirit as they were all gathered

together in one place. That is when the church became real.

The church was not real with the Twelve Disciples, No,

it wasn't. The church wasn't real with John the Baptist.

The Church was not born into existence until Pentecost, until

they were filled by the Holy Spirit from God the Father.

Exactly how Jesus said it was going to happen. That's

exactly what he said was going to happen. I am

going to go to the Father, and my Father will

send to you the Holy Spirit. And that summed up

in Exodus chapter two, verse twenty five. That verse applies

to Pentecost. That's what it applies to. So when you

realize that, it makes you sit back and think to yourself,

I better listen very intently to the other twenty four verses,

because that's what it's going to be about. So I

appreciate your comments on that and take note. You know,

before we get started, let me say this, the woman

is the Church, and it's a very hard concept for

the masculine to accept, but that is true. If you

are a born again and believer, you are recognized as

the feminine side and Christ is the masculine side. So

regardless of your gender, there's only way, there's only one

way that the church creates offspring. It's by evangelizing. We

spread the good news to the lost and they accept

Christ and become saved. That's how we bear children. You

need to know that right from the beginning. If you

don't know that, you're going to get lost in the details.

You're going to get lost in well there's so many

details here. But anyway, that being said, Ben, you know

this is your show, so let me take a back

seat and you lead.

Well let's let's start with Exodus too, but let's put

that into proper context. So two things I think should

screen the people's minds. The first is is that there

was a promise that was made to Abraham going all

the way back to Genesis when God tells him, you know,

he has this fear of dread, and God tells him

that the four hundred years, you know, his children would

be in persecution and subjugated, and after four hundred and

thirty years they would come out. And what's interesting to

me is is that when you read the Exodus account,

is that no one's mentioned in that time, and so

we've already we've already moved in them times prophecy, because

in Times the title makes it clear that people get

tired of waiting. And surely if you've been under the

thumb of the Egyptians for four hundred years, surely you

would have been keeping track of the time and been

aware of the fact.

That you're, you're.

Your hope was due soue. We never that mentioned anywhere

in the test.

I agree, I absolutely agree. I can't nor would I

even attempt to counter that point.

And so we're already matching and time events. Oh yes,

so go ahead, I'm sorry, I interrupted you.

Absolutely, we've already entered that narrative. That's the whole point.

If you can't see, that's the point. You you're you're

left in these details. So if if the promise is true.

So was Moses born on the four hundredth year or

did he go and confront Pharaoh at the four hundredth year?

Which one is it? Because one thing is for sure,

one way or the other. What stands between the differentiation

of these two time frames is the birth of the baby.

So let me just let that just lie right there

back to you.

So I'll read this opening stanza.

And then we could talk about it.

Exodus to starting in verse one. Now, a man from

the house of Levi went and took as his wife

a Levite woman. The woman conceived and bore a son,

And when she saw that he was a fine child,

she hid him three months. When she could hide him

no longer, she took him from She took for him

a basket made of bulrushes and dabbed it with bitumen

and pitch. She put the child in it and placed

it among the reeds by the river bank, and his

sister stood at a distance to know what would be

done to him. Now, the daughter of Pharaoh came out

to bathe at the river while her young women walked

beside the river. She saw the basket among the reeds

and sent her servant woman and she took it. When

she opened it, she saw the child, and behold, the

baby was crying. She took pity on him and said,

this is one of the Hebrew's children. Then his sister

said to Pharaoh's daughter, shall I go and call you

a nurse from the Hebrew women to nurse the child

for you? And Pharaoh's dog he said to her go.

So the girl went and called the child's mother, and

Pharaoh's daughter said to her, take this child away and

nurse him for me, and I will give you your wages.

So the woman took the child and nursed him. When

the child grew older, she brought him to Pharaoh's daughter,

and he became her son. And she called him Moses,

because she said, I drew him out of the water.

What an incredible tale, What an incredible tale. And thus

the birth that thus the birth of the Church age.

The Book of Revelation comes right out and states that

it says that where we're at now is prophetically Egypt.

That's where we're at. This is exactly to the point,

everything that's happening on a grandiose scale, I mean a

grandiose scale. So the whole thing where you know, how

is it that it wasn't a wet nurse that nursed him,

it was actually his mother. This is just a fantastic

tale that is not told anywhere else. It's really not

told anywhere else. Now in mythology you have things like

the tale of Romulus and Remus that was nursed by

a wolf, but no tail mimics this one here of

a wet nurse being the actual mother of the child

that's been found and not just found anywhere, found in

the river. So it's amazing to me that when you

look at the prophetic narrative and how God speaks, it

is no mistake that the many tribes, nations, languages, and

tongues are likened to the sea. That's what it's likened to,

to the water. And when you know that this is

just it is details. But to me, it's extremely prophetic.

And the world in academia normally caused the prophetic poetic.

They say it's poetic, and that's where they get the idea,

and that's why they put forth a notion that this

is a myth. This is just a it. It is

a mythological tale of the beginning of the Hebrew people.

We know it's all of the above. It's all of

the above. But I push everybody to realize this one fact.

Whether we like what a Macadamias says about the war

in heaven, this is true, and it's just not true

to a single verse. It is redundantly true that the

war in Heaven between the Angels is triggered by a

miraculous birth of a male child. Now, many people get

upset at that notion, but that is how Daniel chapter

twelve starts. Everybody thinks in their mind that Daniel chapter

twelve states that Michael is going to stand up for

maybe the Hebrew people, or maybe they think it's talking

about Christians, right, But they never actually read it and

believe what it says. Because Revelation chapter twelve says that

Michael stands up in defense of these children that the

dragon wanted to kill as soon as it was born.

This is describing Moses. This is why his mother put

him in the arc of reeds and put him in

the water, because Farroh had ordered all male children that

were Hebrews to be killed. This is perfectly describing Revelation

chapter twelve. This is the whole reason why one third

of the Angels fall with Satan and wait for these

miraculous children to be, you know, to be conceived. And

that comes from Daniel chapter twelve, verse one. At that time,

Michael shall stand up, the great prince who stands over

the sons of your people. Yeah. In Hebrew, this is

bain Son. That's exactly what Revelation chapter twelve states. Not

to the left and not to the right. That's exactly

what it states. And that usually bothers. Look, even professors.

When I was in an institution of higher learning and

I would bring this up, they would get very upset because, well,

wait a minute, I'm sitting here looking at my Bible,

and there's no cross references from Daniel chapter one two

Revelation chapter twelve. Well, of course there's not, because academia

don't want you to know what it plainly states. But

I'll read it for you. We've got to take time

to read it. This is what causes the war in heaven. Now,

a great sign appeared in heaven, a woman clothed with

the sun, with the moon under her feet, and with

and on her head a garland of twelve stars. Then,

being with a child, she cried out in labor in

pain to give birth, and another sign appeared in heaven.

Behold a great, fiery, red dragon, having seven heads and

ten horns, with seven diadems on his heads. He drew

a third of the stars out of heaven and threw

them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman,

who was ready to give birth, to devour her child.

As soon as it was born. She bore a male

child who was to rule the nations with the rot

of iron. And her child was caught up to God

and to his throne. Then the woman fled into the wilderness,

where where she has a place prepared by God, that

she should be fed there. One thousand, two hundred and

sixty days and war broke out in heaven. Michael and

his angels fought with the dragon, and the dragon and

his angels fought, but they did not prevail, nor was

a place for them in heaven any longer. So the

great dragon was cast out. That serpent of old, called

the devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world, was

cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out

with him. This is nothing more than an explanation of

Daniel chapter twelve, verse one. That's all it is. Let

me read it for you again. And at that time,

Michael shall stand up, the great Prince who stands over

the sons, the male children in Hebrew, that's bane over

the sons of your people. God's people are Christians that

have been born again. Let me continue, And when this happens,

what happens next? And there shall be a time of

trouble such as never was since there was a nation,

even to that time. And at that time your people

shall be delivered everyone who is found. Written in the book,

it just said you were going to be delivered from

great tribulation. But it just said. This verse is repeated

in Revelation chapter seven when it gathers us together in

the final Exodus. Because there's only two. Let me qualify that.

Write this down. God says, there's only two exodus events

in Isaiah chapter eleven, verses eleven and twelve. Revelation chapter seven,

verses nine through seventeen describes the second event, the final event. Okay,

and there it states specifically. It states specifically that they

have come out of great tribulation. That is exactly what

Daniel said. Now that's probably confusing you, all right, we

can prove this by just going to Daniel chapter seven

and reading verse fourteen, and I said to him, sir,

you know so he said to me, these are the

ones who have come out of great tribulation and washed

their robes and made them whiten the blood of the lamp.

This is poetic language to say they've been baptized in

the spirit, they've been born again. You are probably stunned

right now. You don't even know what to say because

you never read this in the Sunday School study. Gods,

I mean, I've laid a whole lot of information on you,

but do you need to get this through your head?

The war in heaven is not caused by pride. The

angels don't start envying one another and a fight breaks out.

This is redundant. The war in heaven is over the birth,

just like we read in Exodus chapter two. Now that's

just where it starts. But there's so many details in

here you need to understand. But this is also describing

the great apostasy. It's the church goers who run all

the denominations on this planet. The woman, the mother here

in these opening verses, she is the ones that I've

been said this before, that she has been born again.

She has went further than being baptized by water. She's

been baptized in the spirit, and she's been born again.

So those other church goers, those other clergy, those other priests,

those other preachers, those other pastors are from the House

of Fairoh, and they will hand you over when the

time comes. This is it defines the great I know

I said a whole lot in a short order of time,

but I am telling you the truth. I'm telling you

the truth, and I'm sorry if you've never heard these

things before. I'm sorry if you've studied Bible prophecy your

whole life and you thought you had Daniel chapter twelve,

verse one memorized, and I'm sorry you never seen that. No,

Michael didn't stand up for Daniel, and he didn't stand

up for Daniel's people. Michael stood up for the suns,

for the male child of God's people. There's only one

way to become God's people. That's true. That's through the

Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ. There is no other way.

And it's specifically said in the Hebrew and the Greek.

If you do not like the Hebrew, and you do

not like you know what's been done with American Bibles,

and let's say you're Orthodox. Believe me, I can read

the Greek and I'm telling you it states the same thing.

Michael stands up for children, not for adults. So sorry

about that. I got a little long in the tooth, thera, Ben,

But back to you, Sorry about that.

No, you're good, Amen. I'm hoping that people's remembrances are

firing off and they're remembering other times when children were

weaned and presented at the temple. The first, of course,

is Hannah and Elkanah with Samuel. Samuel, of course, his

mother's praying. You know, she's desperate to have a child.

She's being provoked and she gets a child, and as

soon as he's moaned, he's given to.

Over to the.

Temple, and that's where he stays from that point forward. Yes,

the other example involves the Christ and it actually happens twice,

once when they're performing the rituals over him as prescribed,

and you see that in Root two twenty two. And

then later on there's this interesting set of events when he's.

Twelve, when he.

He presents himself. He goes with his family to Jerusalem

for a passover, and he stays behind and After three days,

his parents find him in the temple and they're like,

you know, what's going on? And he's like, why were

you looking for me? Did you not realize that you'd

see me in my father's house? And you know, you

might be thinking that's kind of a smart Alec response.

You know, it's you know, I had these experiences with

my daughter when she was little. Maybe why did you

take ten dollars out of mommy's purse? Well, because that's

where the money works, right right, these you get these

kind of like no Doug type of responses to things.

And I don't think that the Christ was being overly

capricious here. I think he was just expecting that his

parents were familiar with the story of Moses another story

of Samuel, and would have expected his parents to understand

where he was.

Right. And this is another point. The first time he

was presented, when he was twelve, he presented himself. Amen,

So big difference, big prophetic difference there. So yes, boy,

I could go on that side track for another hour,

because painfully, this is what people have been told that

Revelation chapter twelve is about. They've been told. No, that's

describing the birth of Christ. No, it's not Christ did

not go to Heaven. Christ went to Egypt. So if

you're saying that Revelation chapter twelve is about Jesus, you're

actually calling God a liar because God says this. He

says out of Egypt, I have called my son not Heaven.

And actually there in the Greek it says something that

most people in the Church don't want to hear. It

says something they don't want it to say. Okay, now,

the thing about it is that it is incredible when

you look at it. What happens to this child, where

this child goes in the Greek it is very clear

that is that word there that everybody's made so famous,

that is in the Strong School Cordence g. Seven twenty six,

what they call rapture. This literally says in Greek, this

male child was raptured to God, not only to God,

not in the suburbs of heaven, and to his throne.

If you're saying this is about Jesus, you're lying. You're

saying God is a liar. Jesus fled from Herod, not

the devil. He was tempted by the devil. He fled

Harod and went to Egypt because God says, out of Egypt,

I have called my son. So you need to know

you're saying this male child and Revelation chapter twelve is Jesus.

You're saying that the Bible is contradicting what God says,

and that's impossible because this is God's word.

And by the way, you've been edifying one hundred and

forty four thousand this whole time. People should take note

that Christ was twelve years old twelve times twelve months

is one forty four, so he gives you some very

very plain use of numbers to offer more edification to

that fact.

Absolutely, absolutely that is the case. So boy, I'm really

hesitant to say anymore up to this point because yeah,

we've you know, this is a twenty five verse chapter,

so this is this is pretty long in the tooth

and been up to this point, we've delivered a fantastic

amount of information. If the only information you ever got

about the Bible was from Sunday School and in sermons,

you're probably in a state of shock right now because

why wouldn't have anybody? Matter of fact, you're angry right

now because you're wondering, well, why did I learn in

Sunday school class that Revelation chapter twelve is about Jesus.

So they're having confliction in their own mind right now.

Many people, the first time that I tell them this

and pointed, and I've done this to professors, like yeah,

I'm while about the rapture you mean in Revelation chapter twelve,

and they're like, what are you talking about? No, it's

in Thessalonians. It's in Corinthians. No it ain't. I can

read the Greek. I know where it is. It's only

these babies that have been born through miraculous conception or

rapture to heaven. Nobody else goes to heaven. That's what

Obadiah says. Then they really get confused. What are you

talking about? That's what Neamiah chapter nine, verse twenty seven states.

And they're really confused. And I don't know how they

could have been confused, because they're literally a professor in

a Christian institution of higher learning. I'm supposed to be

getting my degree from these jokers. Let that sink in.

So I understand everybody's apprehension and uneasiness when you are

confronted with the fact that the Bible is God's Holy Word,

it's inspired by the Holy Spirit. It is an errant

and it's infallible when church goers realize that life becomes

increasingly so and that a geometric rate uncomfortable becomes uncomfortable,

and you can bear testament to that. Ben, I mean

you were born and raised in church, right, Yeah, you

went your whole life right? Okay? How many Easter services

did you miss?

Not money?

How about Christmas want money? And yet you had never

been taught these things? Had you?

No? No, because it was never the Bible. It was

always the study guide. So there's always the pre prepared sermon.

And I don't mean to to be overly critical of people.

I think people oftentimes do the best that they can,

but you really do hinder the Holy Spirit when you

turn all of this into a ritual, into a fairy tale,

into a story. I mean, people do try to do

the best that they can do, but kind of missing

the whole point. Your good works are worthless if they're

not done, if they're not done with the right intention.

Absolutely, intention is everything. All right, We better get continuing on.

We'll just add one quick thing here. I also find

it interesting in the previous chapter Pharaoh had said to

throw them into the river the male children, and that's

exactly what comes out of the the dragon's mouth. There's

a bunch of water.

Yes, yes, this is prophetically saying you must be born again.

The dead babies went into the water. Moses was resurrected

by Pharaoh's daughter. He was drawn out of the same

water where all those and God only knows how many

male babies were in that river at that point. The

Egyptians wouldn't touch him. Ladies and gentlemen, you could call

all those babies bob, it's not funny. And one baby

was drew out of the water alive, and he is alive, indeed.

Ben amen.

So I'll do the next stanza here, let's talk about it.

So one day, when Moses had grown up, he went

out to his people and looked on their burdens, and

he saw an Egyptian beating the heboo, one of his people.

He looked this way and that, and seeing no one,

he struck down the Egyptian and hit him in the sand.

Then he went out the next day. Behold two Hebrews

were struggling together, and he said to the man of

the wrong, why did you strike your companion? He answered,

who made you a prince in Judjyo gris, do you

mean to kill me as you killed the Egyptian. Then

Moses was afraid and thought, surely the thing was known.

When Pharaoh heard of it, he sought to kill Moses.

But Moses fled from Pharaoh and stayed in the land

of Midian and he sat down by it. Well, I'll

stop there and talk about that.

Well, I don't spend too much time with it outside

of the simple fact that this sounds awful reminiscent of

what happened to David and Saul. Well, let that sink in.

You can put Saul in Pharaoh's place, and Pharah most

certainly did. This is exactly what it said. When Pharaoh

heard of this matter, he sought to kill Moses, and

just like David had to flee Saul, Moses or Moses

had to flee sa flee from Pharaoh. It's literally so reminiscent.

It's ridiculous. Been back to you.

Yeah, there's I mean, there's a lot here to unpack.

I mean that the first thing is is that when

it says that that he looked this way and that

and seeing no one who struck down the Egyptian and

hit him in the sand. The first thing, seeing no one.

It's uh, there's a couple places in the Old Testament

pathetically that that is that that is channeling and then

hiding the Egyptian in the sand. I mean there are

a couple of places in the Old Testament where you know,

people are compared to the sand. This is a very

very prophetic thing that he does, he hiding, hiding the

Egyptian in the sand.

Yes, very prophetic, you, Yes, this is according to the promise.

God promised Abraham that a portion of his seed would

be numbered like the sand of the seashore. And when

he says that he's remembering what happened here with this Egyptian. Now, well,

I just opened up a can of worms. For most people,

they're really concerned. Now, how are you putting those things together?

Because they're all in the Bible, and the Bible is

just an unsung stream of ones and zeros, And what

makes a program is a particular pattern of ones and

zeros that repeats. I'm absolutely telling you the truth. So

actually the hebrew men are prophesying right here, who made

you a prince and a judge over us? They had

no idea. God had alretty made him their prince and

their judge. Does nobody realized? That's the elephant in this room.

The two Hebrews that were fighting, that were divided, they prophesied,

they were the first ones that I want you to

know and understand this in your heart of hearts. Moses

was completely clueless. Pharaoh was absolutely clueless. Pharaoh's daughter was clueless.

Moses's mother was clueless. These two divided Hebrews, they were

the first to know. Weren't they been?

Amen?

They were the first to know. The question is, well,

how did they know? So anyway, I'll let my comments

lie right there in this matter.

He also channels the same language that's used with a

Lot when the men of the city are banging on

the door.

How so, how so Ben.

Who made you a prince and a judge over us?

Yes, same phraseology, same phraseology. And one thing's for sure.

Take note that one place wasn't wiped off the mat Zohan. Remember,

Lot cried out to the angel, Hey, let us go

to this little bitty place. We can live there. So

that was the lone place that didn't get exterminated. So

guess what Lot wind up being? Uh yeah, exactly what

they said they prophesied against themselves, so.

Well, it's prophetic of the one hundred and forty four thousand,

right Princeton and judge over us. I mean again, Moses

is a prototype of one hundred and forty four thousand. Yes,

And it's just it's just this, what we have read

so far in this chapter, the first fifteen verses is

just screaming that it's full of Bible prophecies.

Yes, it's full of Bible prophecy, and it makes me Yeah,

we're already up to the top of the hour, but

this is just too much fun. You also need to

know this, Moses ruled over the Egyptian that was dead.

This is prophetic too, because the children that we've been discussing,

they are Abraham seed that are numbered after the stars

in heaven. The dead Egyptian represents those of the First

Resurrection who will be killed by the false prince. Revelation,

Chapter twenty, starting in verse four, that's exactly what stated here,

But marvel after this. Moses was not an Egyptian, but

he was the prince of Egypt. He was raised by

Pharaoh's daughter. But yet who wound up in the sand,

not the living. It was the dead. But literally, wait, boy,

if somebody was wanting information overload, they're really feeling uncomfortable

now because they've never heard this much information delivered in

one hour. I mean, I've literally, we've literally covered enough

to write an entire book on.

Yeah, we haven't even we haven't even gotten into the languages.

I mean, we could have gotten into the deeper of

the group.

But but I digress. Let's do this next stanza because

this one I'll try not to get emotional, but this

is really powerful. This next bit of discourses is just

overwhelming on many levels. Starting in sixteen now, the priest

of Midian had seven daughters, and they came and drew

water and filled the cross to water their father's flock.

The shepherds came and drove them away, but Moses stood

up and saved them.

And watered their flock.

When they came home to their father Ruel, he said,

how is it that you have come home so early today?

They said in Egyptian, delivered us out of the hand

of the shepherd's and even drew water for us and

watered the flock. He said to his daughters, then where

is he? Why have you left? Then? Call he may

eat bread. Moses was content to dwell with the man,

and he gave Moses his daughter's She gave birth to

a son, and he called his name Gersham, for he said,

I have been a sojournal and a foreign them.

Boy, that is a lot to bite off. Now I'm

going to read to you something, ladies and gentlemen. You're

not going to expect it, and I'm sorry about that,

but I can only speak as the spirit moves. I'm

going to read it. It's a very very short chapter. Normally,

when I mentioned Isaiah's name, people can get exasperated because

they're like, it's just too long, it's too complicated. This

is six verses. This is a chapter in Isaiah. I'm

not lying to you. There's a chapter in Isaiah that

only has six verses, and it mentions the seven daughters

of Ruel. Yes it does. Don't listen for the chapter number,

because i'm not gonna tell you. Verse one, and in

that day seven women shall take hold of one man,

saying we will eat our own food and wear our

own apparel. Only let us be called by your name

to take away our reproach. In that day, the branch

of the Lord shall be beautiful and glorious, and the

fruit of the earth shall be excellent and appealing for

those of Israel who have escaped. And it shall come

to pass that he was left in Zion and remains

in Jerusalem will be called holy. Everyone who is recorded

among the living in Jerusalem. When the Lord has washed

away the filth of the Daughters of Zion and purged

the blood of Jerusalem from her midst by the spirit

of judgment and by the spirit of burning, then the

Lord will create above every dwelling place of Mount Zion,

and above her assemblies a cloud and smoke by day,

and the shining of a flaming fire by night. Over

all the glory. There will be a covering, and there

will be a tabernacle for shade in the daytime from

the heat, for a place of refuge, and for a

shelter from storm and rain. I know it's hard for

you to hear it, and at this point in time,

there's nothing really that I can do about that, and

I'm sorry about that. But when you hear of these

seven daughters in relationship to this Moses, please liken this

to the seven churches in revelation, because I understand there's

there's umpteen different denominations of churches, but there's only seven

different types of assemblies. And you thought that this wasn't important.

But I'm going to tell you something. Please just try

to relax your mind for just a minute. I understand

that what I'm saying is making you uncomfortable. But one

of the reasons why you're going to know how you're

going to know we're in the birth pangs is this.

The birth rate will go to zero. The only people

who will be able to conceive have been born again

by the baptism of the Holy God comes right out

and just gave you a reference. The final generation, those

who are alive and remain at the event. You can

calculate this. You can promise people this one seventh of

all the born again believing women will conceive one of

these Moses. Now you're thinking in your mind, it only

says that in Exodus chapter two. I'm telling you, it

says that everywhere. And this is how the devil knows

something's up. This is why he enlists one third of

the host of heaven because they see conception has went

to zero, and they see that these born again believers

who have conceived are Christians. This is what causes the

war in heaven, and it's all over Exodus chapter two.

But you have to have eyes that can see it.

And you cannot have eyes that can see until you

believe that God created every single atom in one hundred

and forty four hours. And most of you you can't

bring yourself to believe in creation. You can't do it.

Not only has your teachers, your professors, your preachers, your priest,

everybody has convinced you that creation is a myth and

it's evolution that created the heavens and the earth. You

can't see what I just said, no more than you

can hear what I just read. But I'm telling you

he says it a whole lot more than just right here.

I'm gonna say that again. Even as much as one

of the seven daughters had children by Moses, by that ratio,

I'm telling you one seventh of the born again women

murder of conceiving age during the birth payings, will get

pregnant and it causes a war in heaven. Been back

to you.

Well, just not to take away from the message here,

but you said it's all over the place. I'm just

going to point out when Isaiah Ford mentions those seven women.

That's not the only place seven women surrounding one man

be thinking of the code of many color colors, yep,

because each one of those churches represents the color.

When you put them all together, you get you.

Know, the complete light white light. Yeah, so you should

be thinking about the Code of many colors. And maybe

just maybe that story about Joseph and his brothers, maybe

that's prophetic. Maybe that's talking about the same things we're

talking about today. The other thing I want to mention

is is that you know, doesn't everybody find it a

bit odd that these shepherds push the women out of

the way who are trying to deal with their with

their flock. I mean, probably the most important thing and

that you have to do every day to keep that

flock alive, is to make sure that it's water. Yes,

And these bad shepherds show up and they drive it,

they drive them away.

They make sure that the sheep are not baptized by

the spirit. You're exactly correct.

And is you know what's being talked about here in

Exodus when it's mentioning being driven away starting in verse

six and going through twenty two, that's edified in Jeremiah

through twenty third chapter verse two. Therefore, thus, the Lord,

the God of Israel, concerning the shepherds who care for

my people, you have scattered my flock and have driven

them away, and you have not attended them. Behold, I

will attend to you for your evil deeds to close

the order. If that isn't clear enough for you. He

says the same thing again in Ezekiel thirty four, Starting

in verse eighteen, he says, is it not enough for

you to feed on good pastor? That you must tread

down with your feet the rest of your pastor yep,

and drink clear water. That you must muddy the rest

of the water with your feet. And must my sheep

eat what you have trodden with your feet, and drink

what you have muddied with your feet. This is an indictment.

What you're seeing here in Exodus is an indictment over

the condition of people at this time. Remember, the ten

Commandments haven't been given yet.

Nope.

God's people are really confused about what's expected of them

of They obviously have forgotten the commitments that He's made

to them. They're not even keeping track. It's never even

mentioned once in Exodus the four hundred and thirty, the

four hundred, it's not even it doesn't even come up.

These are people that as close to lawless as you

can get, and these bad shepherds are The Bible is

basically just telling you mechanically how that happens. This is

why the Church is in their condition that it's in.

This is why people are confused. This is why you

have Christian people confusing patterns in isochronology with reincarnation. This

is why Christian people believe UFO, why.

They believe in a one.

World order and all the other nonsense. Is because you've

got these bad shepherds. Yes, you have clean water with

dirty water, yes amen. I mean christis that holds you

that he was going to give you living water, and.

They won't let you have it. They tell you that

the baptism was of water, that they that they perform.

That's what makes you saved. I mean many of these

denominations even say that's when you're saved. Is when you're

baptized as an infant. You're automatically achieve eternal security. You're

once saved, always saved. Once you're baptized by your priest

or your preacher or your pastor when you're an infant. Yeah,

they do, yes, they do say it. No, that's not true.

You must be baptized by the spirit and only God

can do that.

The mom And by the way, Moses's wife has a

very interesting name. It means bird. I find that interesting

when you map that up against Revelation chapter twelve.

Right, because she is given the wings of a bird.

Yes.

What's even more important is her son's name Gersha. It

means it look directly translated to refugee. It's refugee. And

take note. Take note that it's the birth of Zipporah's

son that triggers the final stanza. That's what triggers Verse

twenty three. Yeah it is, Yes, it is.

This.

This is even what God says. He even says that

it's during the birth pangs. After the birth pangs, we

cry out to him and guess what happens, Daniel Chapter seven,

Verses twenty one and twenty two. When we cry out,

he will intervene. I just read the verses from Isaiah

that told you that that's exactly what he said he

was going to do. So we have to go through

the birth pangs before this baby can deliver the children

of Israel. So I'm gonna ask this again. Those of

you who have your license and you're a part of

the clergy, riddle me this. Riddle me if you can.

Was Moses born at the beginning of the four hundredth

year or is that when he began to deliver the people?

Which one was? It? Riddle me if you know. Of course,

I'm being facetious because you don't know, and I'm here

to tell you. It says it all over the Bible.

But anyway, what does Revelation chapter twelve state, after this

male child is born and becomes a refuge g because

Earth is his home. He wasn't made for heaven. He

becomes a refuge g in heaven. Do you want me

to prove it? It says in Revelation. I'm gonna give

you just one phrase. It says the people who tabernacle

in heaven.

It does, Yes, it does.

This male child becomes a refugee in heaven. They don't

belong in that dimension. In the beginning, God created two dimensions.

One dimension was spiritual and the other dimension was material.

One he called heaven, one he calls Earth. I'm sorry, Look,

I don't mean to confuse you, and I'm sorry I

can't refer you to a Bible study guide on Amazon.

I've given you so much information about this male child,

spanning the entire biblical prophetic narrative, that the only way

you can rectify these things in your mind is to

read it for yourself. But I'm telling you this what

it's getting ready to say. It's getting ready to say.

Now that the refugee has been born, the birth pains

can begin, and at the end of this process they

will be delivered. And I'm gonna tell you something. How

are they delivered? Why do you think there's three woes

in revelation? You don't know, do you? I'll tell you,

because there's seven seals, but three of the trumpets are woes.

There are the ten plagues of Egypt. I'm not lying

to you. I just told you why three of the

trumpets are woes. Ben, let's finish up this passage, please.

I just want to say one thing to comfort the bride,

if I may one thing about male children under the

age of two. They have a very very special relationship

with their mothers when their mother's rest for them. So

please take some comfort in the fact that when these children.

Do us send.

They're going to take that job very, very seriously, because

the one thing that they care about, the one thing

that consumes their attention, the one thing that they have

compassion for is their mother.

Is the woman. You got that right, hey, man, You've

got that right.

All right. I'll finish this out starting in verse twenty three.

During those many days, the king of Egypt died and

the people of Israel grown because of their slavery and

cried out for help. They cried for rescue from the slavery,

came up to God, and God heard their groaning, and

God remembered his covenant with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. God

saw the people of Israel and gotten.

So here you're reminded that Abraham has two different promises,

and it's two different groups. And I've already give the

hint out. This male child is either Isaac or Jacob,

take your pick. And that Egyptian was buried in the

sand is either Isaac or Jacob, take your pick. And

this is exactly what the Book of Revelation says in

Revelation chapter twelve. The male child becomes a refugee in heaven.

And then when the devil and his angels find out

that this male child become a refugee in heaven. He

goes off to make war with the rest of her children.

We know what happens to them, and Revelation chapter twenty.

They don't take the mark of the beast or worship

his image, and they become those of the First Resurrection.

They come out of the sand, and they live, and

they rule, and they reign with Christ for one thousand years.

Not the woman, not the woman, those of the First Resurrection.

Everything I've stated today comes straight from his word, comes

straight from his word straight. It's not a little bit

left or right. I'm telling you. You just got told

that the children of the Promise can be divided up.

The people that's going.

To be.

The chief executives of the Promise are divided up into

Isaac and Jacob. And that's a gospel truth, and it's

the gospel truth. There is the male child that's taken

to heaven, and then the devil makes the war on

the rest of her children. That's actually not from Revelation,

that's actually from Daniel. But that's beside the point. So anyway,

good stuff, Ben.

I just want to say one other thing there in

that groaning. You know, it reminds me of the scene

in Heaven with the martyrs.

Yes, yes it does. Man, we just don't have the

time to go into that. I mean, what are we

going to go on for an hour and a half.

I really do need to know.

We can't.

We can't. But next time, if we could leave just

a breadcrumb or kind of like a you know, a

fifties orphan Annie, you know, Cliffhanger. We're going to mention

the seal that you see in Revelation. People aren't expecting it,

but we're going to show you how that is in

Exodus the third chapter, and we're going to be showing

you a whole bunch of other stuff which.

Really ties us all together.

So you can see that Exodus Revelation talking about the

same thing.

Yeah, because God never changes his tune. He just says

the same thing over and over and over all, right,

everybody until Ben and I get back together. God Bless

Gods Speed