Sermon
The Church in Pergamum
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So, if you have your Bibles with you, you might like to turn to Revelation chapter 2 again.
Revelation 2 chapter mention
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And I'm going to read to you from verse 12 onwards.
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I think we've got the readings up on the screen.
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Revelation 2, verse 12.
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To the angel of the church in Pergamum write,
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These are the words of him who has the sharp, double-edged sword.
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I know where you live, where Satan has his throne.
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Yet you remain true to my name.
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You did not renounce your faith in me, not even in the days of Antipas, my faithful witness,
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who was put to death in your city, where Satan lives.
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Nevertheless, I have a few things against you.
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There are some among you who hold to the teaching of Balaam,
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who taught Balak to entice the Israelites to sin,
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so that they ate food sacrificed to idols and committed sexual immorality.
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Likewise, you also have those who hold to the teaching of the Nicolaitans.
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Repent, therefore.
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Otherwise, I will soon come to you and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.
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Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches.
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To the one who is victorious, I will give him some of the hidden manna.
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I will also give that person a white stone with a new name written on it,
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known only to the one who receives it.
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This is the word of the Lord.
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Thanks be to God.
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So, we come to the church in Pergamum,
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a church which, I suppose you would say,
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received a kind of mixed report from the risen Christ,
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delivered through John.
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Just a word about the city of Pergamum today.
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If you go to Turkey, it's a city called Bergama.
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B-E-R-G-A-M-A.
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And it rose to prominence as a city in the ancient world,
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round about the 3rd century BC,
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during what's called the Attalade period,
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when Attalus conquered the city.
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It soon became very prominent when the Romans took over,
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and in fact became the capital of the Roman province of Asia.
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Also there were two notable altars.
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One was to Asclepius.
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Some of you might know Asclepius if you've been to Kos,
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where the first, at least the first hospital we have any remnants of,
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is on Kos,
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and is dedicated to Asclepius.
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Asclepius's symbol is a serpent wrapped around a pole,
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and was taken up by medical professions across the world into the modern day.
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Asclepius was the god of healing.
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The other altar of significance was,
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up on the hill above Pergamum,
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there was a massive altar dedicated to the Roman god Zeus,
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who was the kind of king god of the Roman pantheon of gods.
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And because of all this,
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there's also a temple dedicated to Augustus and Rome.
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And because of this,
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it became the centre of the imperial cult of the Roman Empire.
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A very Roman city, as you would say.
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And I want, by way of introduction tonight,
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just to run through some stuff.
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Because this was a city,
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which the risen Christ describes as the habitat of Satan.
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And the challenge of that seems to me,
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which is, I think, a similar challenge to what we have today,
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although I think we would be a little more uncomfortable
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in widely using the language of satanic to describe our culture.
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At the same time,
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I think you would agree to me,
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agree with me,
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that there is a lot about our culture,
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which is going badly wrong at the current time.
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I have described this to congregations in the area
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as kind of economic challenges.
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It is a surprise to me,
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if I'm being quite honest with you,
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that the American economy has picked up a little bit,
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whereas ours is still flatlining pretty well.
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But I think there will be economic challenges
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across the West,
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and particularly across Europe,
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in these coming days.
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And we feel that at home
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when we read about people
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who are the victims of the so-called economic crisis.
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Some of you, maybe some of them,
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I don't know.
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And we talk about the environmental challenges of the world.
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I think they're huge.
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And, you know,
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you have to take your own view
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on what you make of the climate science and all that,
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so I'm not here to tell you what to think.
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But it does seem,
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although, you know,
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one would say in terms of weather patterns,
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it's happened over a fairly short period to date,
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I think it's a tendency at the moment
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that we're looking at
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that weather patterns are changing.
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And when it comes to trying to fix the planet,
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the idea is, you know,
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that we will reduce our carbon dioxide emissions
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and that's going to cost a lot of money,
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which has got to be factored in
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to the cost of living.
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Nobody who manufactures stuff
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isn't going to pass the cost
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of environmental responsibility.
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They're not going to pay that themselves.
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They're going to pass it on to the customer
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through the goods and services
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that they provide.
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And then, really seriously,
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the emotional challenges of our day.
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In the Times today,
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there's a big article about people in their 20s,
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a large number of whom are not at work
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because they are mentally unwell.
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They're suffering from anxiety,
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depression, these things.
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Things that we shouldn't take lightly,
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but we should ask questions about,
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well, what kind of a society is it
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that's creating people
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in the prime of their lives
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who can't even go to work
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because they're not well?
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I think I have gone as far as saying,
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you know, one of the things that troubles me
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about our environment,
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our culture at the moment is,
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it seems to make people ill.
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So I want to talk to you today
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about the challenge of evangelism
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in a hostile environment.
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Get round to Pergamum in a few minutes,
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but that basically is their lot.
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How do you set about
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trying to win people for Christ
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in a city where Satan
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and the Roman Empire hold sway?
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Both of whom had a reputation
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for trying to destroy organizations
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or agencies or people
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who posed any threat whatsoever
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in their direction.
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So I want just to think for a moment,
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if I may, about these challenges.
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And I think the challenges of Pergamum
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are the challenges of today.
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And I want to just draw your attention to,
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it's not our set text this evening,
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but I just want to draw your attention
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to Acts chapter 17.
Acts 17 chapter mention
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Before I do that,
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I'm going to talk to you about six things
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that I think are important
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in our evangelistic engagement
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with a hostile culture.
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The first thing is,
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we need to be praying Christians.
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In Ephesians chapter 6 and verse 18,
Ephesians 6 chapter mention
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the great apostle bids Christians
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to pray at all times in the Spirit.
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Paul's not that interested
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in the kind of prayers
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where people just gabble away
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or just say stuff for impact or effect.
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He's interested in prayer in the Spirit.
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Prayer directed to God,
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directed by God,
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in the power of the Holy Spirit.
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But Acts 17 is where I want to draw your attention to.
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And I want to draw your attention to it
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because it is the only example
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in the New Testament
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of a sermon preached to Gentiles,
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i.e. non-Jewish believers.
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Paul, believe it or not,
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on his missionary journeys,
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had a plan.
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The plan was,
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he would go to what you might call
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the warm contacts.
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He'd go down to the synagogue
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and start preaching
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that Jesus was the Messiah.
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And he'd use,
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it's a challenge to preachers,
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he would use the Old Testament to do that.
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Didn't have a New Testament then.
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And in Athens,
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on the Areopagus,
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which is a hill
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just outside the wall of the city today,
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Paul preached to a crowd of people.
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We don't have time tonight
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to go in depth
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into the content of his sermon,
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but it is fascinating to look at
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in relation to the fact
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that Paul is speaking
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to Gentiles,
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non-Jewish people.
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And Paul says,
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in Acts chapter 17,
Acts 17 chapter mention
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that before he addressed the crowd,
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he said to them,
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you know,
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as I walked around your city,
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I see you're a very religious people,
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he said.
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In fact,
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he said,
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you know,
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I can tell that
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by the number of altars there are.
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He said,
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and I came across an altar
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to an unknown God.
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He said,
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so I want to,
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this is Paul's sense of humour,
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right?
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I mean,
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you don't have to laugh.
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Paul said,
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I found this altar
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dedicated to the unknown God,
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but I'm going to tell you
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about the God you can know.
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And proceeds to talk
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about Jesus,
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the Messiah
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and the coming judge,
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who created the world
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and all that therein is it.
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But before Paul got round
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to his message,
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he had spent time
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observing the lives
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of these Athenians.
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So he could kind of
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get the vibe
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of their culture.
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So he could address them
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in a way
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that they might understand.
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In Acts chapter 17
Acts 17 chapter mention
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and verse 23,
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we read how Paul
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engages them
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by quoting to them
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from their culture.
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He quotes
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a verse
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of a poem.
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I mean,
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in my book,
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it's not much of a poem
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because it doesn't rhyme,
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but the quote is,
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we are his offspring.
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Paul uses
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what you might call
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the culture
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of local creative art
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to try and communicate
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with these people.
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Oh,
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that in our churches
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we could reignite
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our imaginations
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to communicate
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in such a way
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that connects
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with our culture
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rather than flies
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over the heads
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of those
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who show up.
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And then there is
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a challenge
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in Acts chapter 17
Acts 17 chapter mention
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and verse 30.
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Let me read that
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to you.
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Paul says,
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in the past
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God overlooked
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such ignorance.
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That's a kind
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of polite way.
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What Paul was
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basically saying to them
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is,
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in the past
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God overlooked
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your ignorance.
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He said,
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in the past
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he overlooked that,
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but now
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he commends
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people everywhere
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to repent.
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I think that,
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you know,
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I had a,
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what's called
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a peripatetic ministry.
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It sounds highfalutin.
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What it means is
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I went to a different
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church every Sunday.
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And what I would say
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is that
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there was,
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you know,
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quite a lot of history
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in the sermons,
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quite a lot of Greek,
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you know,
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look how smart I am,
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I quote Greek.
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Greek.
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But,
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but,
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what most
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messages I've
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listened to
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were very low on
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was challenge.
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I felt like,
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you know that
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proverb we have
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in English,
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you know,
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you can take a horse
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to water,
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but you
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can't make it drink.
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A lot of preaching
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felt to me like that,
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you know,
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the horses
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have showed up
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to listen
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and they've been
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taken to the edge
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of the river
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and then the preacher
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takes us back
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and gives a blessing
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and we all go home.
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No,
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people need to be
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challenged.
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And my experience
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of evangelism
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amongst men
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in particular
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is
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the firmer the challenge
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the more likely
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you are to get
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a response.
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And then
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we know this
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from 2 Timothy
2 Timothy 4 chapter mention
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chapter 4
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and verse 2
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that we're called.
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So in a lot of churches,
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evangelical churches
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in particular,
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people think
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that the moment
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that somebody's
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converted,
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their job is done.
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Wrong.
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It's a new beginning,
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it's a new start.
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Paul says to this
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young church
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Timothy
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and second,
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young church leader
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in 2 Timothy,
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preach the word,
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be prepared
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in season
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and out of season,
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correct,
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rebuke and encourage
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with great patience
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and careful instruction.
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what did Paul
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imagine
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that Timothy
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might preach?
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Did Paul think,
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sorry to use
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Anglican speak
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for a moment,
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that it would be
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highly effective
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for some preacher
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to stand up
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and give a few
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garbled thoughts
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on the collect
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of the day?
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No, he didn't think
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that at all.
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In chapter 3,
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Paul tells us
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exactly what he wants
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Timothy to preach about.
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2 Timothy 3,
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16,
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all scripture
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is God-breathed
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and is useful
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for teaching,
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rebuking,
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correcting
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and training
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in righteousness.
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Paul didn't imagine
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that preachers
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could just stand up
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and do their own
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fang.
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He imagined
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that the faithful
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preacher will stand up
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with the word of God
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in his hand
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and to the best
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of his or her ability
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will give exposition
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to that.
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I said that
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every
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moment of
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any approach
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to evangelism
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needs to be
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surrounded by prayer.
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My experience
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was for every
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new Christian
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we had in the church
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that I was minister
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at,
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that we had to spend
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a lot of time
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and resource
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in taking somebody
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across the line
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and giving their life
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to Christ
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to kind of
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keep them there,
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to stop them
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from falling away
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and becoming
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backslidden.
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An important part
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of that
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was making sure
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that new converts
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were prayed for.
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Anybody remember
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Operation Andrew?
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My memory is
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that what it
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asked church members,
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people like you,
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to do
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was to split
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into groups
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of three
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meeting in
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your homes
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or in the coffee
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shop or wherever
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and the three
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of you
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would bring
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the names
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of three people
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who you really
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wanted to
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play a part
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in bringing
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them to Christ.
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You would then
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pray together
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so you'd have
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nine people
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to pray for
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and three of you
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praying for those
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nine people.
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I can't
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think for a
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moment
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why we don't
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do that today.
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Our experience
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back then
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and different
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time I get
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that but our
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experience back
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then was
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a remarkable
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number of people
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came through
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to trust
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Christ
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not
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as a direct
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result of us
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praying
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but I can't
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help thinking
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that our
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prayer
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for these
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people
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men and
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women
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went
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you know
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it was a
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wasted time.
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There was a
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book some of
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you may have
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read some
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years ago
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which was
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called
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What Happens
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When Women
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Prayed
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and the
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stories and
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testimonies
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that came out
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of these
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groups of
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women
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that met
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I think
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they called
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them Lydia
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groups or
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something like
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that and
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they pray
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together and
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there's some
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amazing outcomes
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of those
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prayers.
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Look we
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think there's a
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lot of stuff
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to do today
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to engage
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with our
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culture but
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trust me
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there is a
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lot of
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praying that
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needs to be
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done as
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well.
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I want to
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go on just
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before I talk
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about Pergamon
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very briefly
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to talk about
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this fine
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balance between
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collusion and
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compromise and
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I want to say
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to you to start
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with always
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remember the
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church isn't
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I mean the
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church is
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institutionalized
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it's certainly
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the church of
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England is which
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is the only one
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I can speak
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of with any
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inner knowledge.
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The church is
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not an
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institution in
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a normal sense
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it's a living
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body.
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I read an
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article recently
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in the
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American
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New American
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Scientist
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American
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Scientist I
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think it's
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called and
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it was talking
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about how
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every day
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every movement
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everything we
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do is a
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miracle.
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Talked about
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how avoiding
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serious disease
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could be down
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to a very
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minimal factor
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like at the
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right time
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you coughed
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and by coughing
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you expel
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from your body
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something that
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if it had taken
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hold in your
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body would
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have caused
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you serious
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illness.
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It talked
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about the
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signals your
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brain sends
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out to do
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a very
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simple thing
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like blinking
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your eyes.
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And as we
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know in
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1 Corinthians
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12
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Paul speaks
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about the
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church as a
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body.
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And you
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know only
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too well
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that there
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doesn't need to
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be much wrong
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with your body
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for it to lose
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its balance
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and for you
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to be
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seriously
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undermined
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in your
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ability to
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do things
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because of
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that.
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We won't
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talk about
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the tongue.
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James does
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that and
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warns us
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about the
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tongue and
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how the
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same tongue
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that blesses
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God is the
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same tongue
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that we used
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to curse
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men and
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women with.
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But just
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the everyday
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balance.
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You know
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I'm sure
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we should
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wake up
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thanking
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God and
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praying to
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him that
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God would
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maintain our
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physical balance
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in our
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health and
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the reason
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why Paul
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calls the
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church a
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body is
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that he
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makes the
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point that
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when one
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part of
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that body
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is out of
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kilter with
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the rest
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the whole
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body is
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impacted.
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He also
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makes the
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point that
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we can't
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all be
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hands.
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We can't
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all be
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feet.
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We can't
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all be
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heads.
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The church
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is a body
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with different
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parts as
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Paul.
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And by
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that he
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means we
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are a
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group of
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people who
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are gifted
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by God
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with spiritual
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gifts in
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order to
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glorify God
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to serve
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the church
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and to
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bless the
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world.
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So
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the church
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is a
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living body
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and the
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issue of
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balance is
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a huge
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issue.
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But here's
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a question
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which I
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think is
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impossible to
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answer and
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I feel it's
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a bit unfair
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asking you.
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But how do
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we know
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when we've
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crossed the
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line between
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compromise and
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collusion?
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I'm making
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the assumption
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that compromise
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isn't always
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wrong.
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wrong.
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But it can
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quickly become
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the foothills
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of unhelpful
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collusion.
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So now
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the church
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in Pergamum
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and the
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risen Christ
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through his
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letter
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delivered by
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John
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starts by
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saying
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talking about
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sorry
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let me
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turn over
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talks about
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these are
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the words
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of him
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who has
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the sharp
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double-edged
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sword.
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At the
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time that
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John was
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writing there
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were two
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kinds of
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weapon that
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were described
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as a sword.
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one was
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a makaria
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which is
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more like
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a big
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dagger
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than a
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sword.
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And the
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other was
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the
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ramphosa
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which is
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a proper
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sword
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both sides
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of which
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were home
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to be
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very very
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sharp.
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And it
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was said
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that
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soldiers
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could
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split things
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down the
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middle very
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easily.
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with their
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ramphosa
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with their
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big
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swords.
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That's the
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word that's
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used here.
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The other
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word is
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used in
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the New
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Testament.
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I think
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it's
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something like
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Hebrews
Hebrews 12 chapter mention
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chapter 12
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and verse
-
10 which
-
talks about
-
the double-edged
-
sword.
-
That's not
-
a ramphosa
-
that is
-
a makaria
-
that's the
-
short dagger
-
thing.
-
Of course
-
scholars have
-
written pages
-
on the
-
difference
-
between the
-
use of
-
those two
-
words for
-
sword.
-
what it
-
means is
-
that this
-
double-edged
-
sword that
-
the risen
-
Christ has
-
tells us
-
of his
-
sovereignty,
-
his double
-
sovereignty.
-
He is
-
sovereign of
-
all that
-
goes on
-
on the
-
earth but
-
he's also
-
sovereign of
-
what will
-
be.
-
so there's
-
an element
-
of the
-
amazing
-
authority of
-
Jesus with
-
this double
-
-edged sword
-
but there is
-
also a
-
measure of
-
judgment.
-
It's a word
-
that we don't
-
really like to
-
think about too
-
much in the
-
church today
-
but that's
-
the meaning
-
of that
-
symbolism.
-
I know
-
where you
-
live.
-
It sounds
-
like a
-
threat doesn't
-
it when you
-
read it out
-
like that?
-
I know
-
where you
-
live.
-
Where Satan
-
has his
-
throne.
-
Again
-
wide
-
speculation as
-
to exactly
-
what John
-
was referring
-
to there.
-
Some think
-
it was
-
that altar
-
to Zeus
-
on the
-
hillside
-
there.
-
Some think
-
it was the
-
temple of
-
Asclepius.
-
Some,
-
probably me,
-
think it was
-
the temple
-
dedicated to
-
Augustus and
-
Rome which
-
made Pergamum
-
the centre
-
of the
-
cult,
-
the Roman
-
Empire.
-
What the
-
risen Christ
-
likes about
-
them is
-
they remain
-
true to the
-
name of
-
Jesus.
-
He says
-
you didn't
-
renounce your
-
faith in me
-
and he
-
gives only
-
one example
-
but one
-
example of
-
somebody who
-
is so
-
faithful to
-
Jesus under
-
the threat
-
of this
-
hostile
-
culture that
-
it cost him
-
his life
-
and to pass
-
my faithful
-
witness who
-
is put to
-
death in
-
your city
-
where Satan
-
lives.
-
I mean
-
imagine that
-
there isn't
-
crisis to
-
them.
-
I know
-
where you
-
live and
-
it's where
-
Satan lives.
-
And by
-
and large
-
I'm impressed
-
by your
-
faithfulness.
-
I'm impressed
-
that you
-
don't collude
-
with the
-
cult of
-
Rome.
-
And I'm
-
impressed
-
that you
-
resist
-
the
-
satanic
-
forces at
-
work amongst
-
you.
-
people.
-
But then
-
he goes
-
on and
-
says
-
nevertheless
-
nevertheless
-
and so
-
reminds me
-
of my own
-
school reports
-
I think
-
you could
-
summarize my
-
school reports
-
as yes
-
but.
-
Mike
-
sets himself
-
extremely low
-
standards and
-
consistently fails
-
to achieve
-
them.
-
So these
-
people in
-
this awfully
-
hostile culture
-
were faithful
-
in the face
-
of martyrdom.
-
But here's
-
what the risen
-
Christ thinks
-
they need to
-
pay attention
-
to.
-
Thinks that
-
their balance
-
as the body
-
of Christ
-
is being
-
put out
-
of kilter
-
by these
-
forces.
-
He says
-
there are
-
some of
-
you who
-
hold to
-
the teaching
-
of Balaam
-
who taught
-
Balak to
-
entice the
-
Israelites to
-
sin so
-
that they
-
did two
-
things
-
unacceptable.
-
They ate
-
food that
-
had already
-
been sacrificed
-
to idols.
-
In other
-
words not
-
only Jewish
-
people would
-
find that
-
unclean but
-
Christians would
-
find it
-
unclean as
-
well.
-
And then
-
they committed
-
sexual
-
immorality.
-
It would
-
be nice to
-
say wouldn't
-
it that
-
today's church
-
is free of
-
all that.
-
You know
-
we don't do
-
that stuff.
-
Except
-
remember you
-
know the job
-
I had was
-
the exercise
-
of discipline
-
across 256
-
churches
-
in a large
-
area.
-
I would
-
love to put
-
my hand on
-
my heart
-
and say to
-
you we
-
didn't have
-
any of
-
that.
-
When I was
-
a parish
-
priest I
-
found the
-
chairman of
-
churches
-
together
-
where's
-
Tim?
-
Not him.
-
Chairman of
-
churches
-
together and
-
the secretary
-
of the
-
PCC.
-
I don't
-
quite know
-
how to
-
put this.
-
Let's
-
just say
-
they were
-
naked in
-
the middle
-
of a
-
wood and
-
my dog
-
discovered
-
them when
-
I was
-
walking with
-
my dog.
-
I had to
-
put my
-
hand on
-
my hand
-
and say
-
I have
-
come across
-
none of
-
this sexual
-
immorality
-
of the
-
church but
-
friends I
-
have.
-
And part
-
of the
-
problem is
-
our culture
-
is obsessed
-
by sex.
-
So much
-
so it
-
has perverted
-
our
-
understanding
-
of what
-
love is.
-
The Bible
-
word for
-
love is the
-
word agape.
-
You know
-
that.
-
It's a
-
word that
-
doesn't
-
primarily
-
call upon
-
our heart
-
strings.
-
It's not
-
about what
-
we feel.
-
it's how
-
we set
-
our will.
-
How do
-
you think
-
if Jesus
-
said love
-
your enemies
-
how would
-
that work
-
if he
-
really meant
-
desire your
-
enemies?
-
It would
-
be an
-
impossible.
-
No we
-
need to
-
think about
-
love and
-
loving our
-
neighbor as
-
wanting the
-
best for
-
that person
-
even if we
-
don't necessarily
-
like them.
-
you know
-
what would
-
that do
-
to the
-
debate about
-
asylum seekers
-
if we fed
-
that understanding
-
of love into
-
that?
-
Look
-
at
-
the teaching
-
of Balaam
-
actually Balaam
-
it's very
-
interesting that
-
the word
-
Balaam
-
the name
-
Balaam
-
and the
-
name
-
Nicolation
-
followers of
-
Nicholas.
-
So in
-
Hebrew
-
the word
-
Balaam
-
is made
-
up of
-
a root
-
word which
-
means to
-
conquer
-
and then
-
which is
-
balai
-
and then
-
the word
-
aham
-
which means
-
people.
-
So the
-
word
-
Balaam
-
means
-
conquering
-
people.
-
the word
-
Nicholas
-
is a
-
mixture of
-
two other
-
Greek words
-
one is
-
Nikan
-
which means
-
to conquer
-
and
-
Laos
-
which means
-
people.
-
I mean
-
whether these
-
were two
-
distinct groups
-
of people
-
who encoded
-
language
-
remember
-
we said
-
that this
-
book is
-
apocryphal
-
it's written
-
in a hidden
-
language
-
so that
-
people
-
wouldn't
-
necessarily
-
understand it
-
if they
-
didn't
-
know the
-
keys to
-
understanding
-
it.
-
But these
-
two names
-
given to
-
these two
-
heresies
-
actually both
-
meant the
-
same.
-
They were
-
about
-
controlling
-
subjugating
-
people.
-
Is there
-
anything
-
further away
-
from the
-
gospel community
-
than the
-
desire to
-
control
-
people?
-
Is there
-
anything
-
that could
-
be worse
-
in a
-
relationship
-
in a
-
marriage
-
where one
-
person seeks
-
to control
-
the other?
-
And
-
this
-
these
-
heresies
-
led
-
people
-
into
-
very
-
dark
-
behaviors
-
dietary
-
and sexual
-
immorality
-
and the
-
risen
-
Christ
-
has a
-
very clear
-
message
-
verse 16
-
Repent
-
therefore
-
as a
-
consequence
-
of this
-
collusion
-
with these
-
people in
-
the church
-
repent
-
of that
-
otherwise
-
I will
-
soon come
-
to you
-
and will
-
fight against
-
them with
-
the sword
-
of my
-
mouth
-
they will
-
come
-
under
-
judgment
-
and it
-
will be a
-
dark day
-
for them
-
and for
-
the church
-
of God
-
why?
-
Because in
-
their midst
-
they tolerated
-
heretical
-
teaching
-
that sought
-
to control
-
the people
-
of God
-
rather than
-
the God
-
whom we
-
worship
-
who empowers
-
us
-
with his
-
Holy Spirit
-
God
-
I never
-
understood
-
years ago
-
when I
-
was ordained
-
I was
-
ordained
-
in
-
Canterbury
-
Cathedral
-
I didn't
-
live in
-
Canterbury
-
or even
-
in Kent
-
as such
-
I lived
-
in Croydon
-
and the
-
Church of
-
England
-
with this
-
kind of
-
slightly
-
mixed up
-
thinking
-
made a
-
archdeaconry
-
of the
-
Diocese of
-
Canterbury
-
completely
-
separate
-
from the
-
Diocese of
-
Canterbury
-
and there was
-
a reason for
-
that
-
the reason
-
was that
-
the Archbishop
-
of Canterbury
-
then had
-
his summer
-
palace
-
in Croydon
-
and it was
-
felt that
-
would be wrong
-
of him to
-
leave his
-
diocese when
-
he went
-
on his
-
holiday
-
so if you
-
can't take
-
Mohammed to
-
the mountain
-
move the
-
mountain to
-
Mohammed
-
so I was
-
getting ordained
-
there
-
and it
-
was a
-
great
-
privilege
-
and Donald
-
Coggan
-
was the
-
Archbishop
-
of Canterbury
-
and for
-
the
-
ordination
-
retreat
-
we were
-
invited to
-
stay in
-
the palace
-
at Canterbury
-
with the
-
Archbishop
-
and Mrs
-
Coggan
-
who came
-
down to
-
breakfast
-
every day
-
and we
-
had normal
-
chat over
-
breakfast
-
Coggan
-
was very
-
against the
-
idea of
-
the
-
ordination
-
retreat
-
as a
-
kind of
-
massive
-
wind up
-
and you
-
know
-
when they
-
did that
-
I mean
-
people who
-
had been
-
in college
-
for three
-
years
-
had nervous
-
breakdowns
-
and couldn't
-
show up
-
in the
-
cathedral
-
on the
-
Sunday
-
morning
-
they were
-
so
-
mentally
-
disturbed
-
by it
-
Coggan
-
was very
-
relaxed
-
and it
-
was just
-
at the
-
time
-
that the
-
Bishop of
-
Durham
-
had declared
-
that there
-
was no
-
such thing
-
as a
-
physical
-
resurrection
-
of Jesus
-
do you
-
remember
-
that
-
and it
-
was terrible
-
you know
-
harush over
-
that
-
and quite
-
rightly so
-
in many
-
ways
-
and some
-
upstart
-
of an
-
ordinand
-
not like
-
me
-
said to the
-
Archbishop
-
across the
-
table
-
so are you
-
going to
-
throw him
-
out then
-
my Archbishop
-
choked over
-
his boiled
-
egg
-
and said
-
well I have
-
no means
-
to throw
-
him out
-
and
-
the upstart
-
ordinand
-
said what
-
do you
-
mean
-
he said
-
there's
-
been a
-
studious
-
attempt
-
in the
-
church's
-
disciplinary
-
measures
-
to avoid
-
any
-
disciplinary
-
measure
-
which would
-
involve
-
wrong teaching
-
or heresy
-
that bit
-
of legislation
-
I think
-
put together
-
in 1972
-
was replaced
-
at the end
-
of the
-
1990s
-
which came
-
into force
-
I think
-
in 2002
-
called the
-
clergy
-
discipline
-
measure
-
I mean
-
you can
-
get thrown
-
out of
-
the church
-
of England
-
if you
-
baptise
-
somebody
-
twice
-
but you
-
can deny
-
the resurrection
-
or say
-
that Christianity
-
from next
-
week onwards
-
will be
-
about nudity
-
and nobody
-
can do
-
anything
-
about it
-
it's amazing
-
isn't it
-
I mean
-
I was one
-
of them
-
you know
-
still am
-
I mean
-
so
-
the issue
-
of how
-
do we
-
tackle
-
in our
-
churches
-
wrong teaching
-
I think
-
is an
-
interesting
-
one
-
who
-
adjudicates
-
what is
-
wrong teaching
-
who decides
-
on that
-
and the
-
Roman Catholic
-
Church
-
has a
-
magisterium
-
that does
-
make decisions
-
about these
-
things
-
and you
-
know
-
I mean
-
who's the
-
German
-
cardinal
-
who got
-
made
-
the Pope
-
retired
-
early
-
Ratzinger
-
I thought
-
Ratzinger
-
I mean
-
he's a
-
highly
-
cultured
-
and
-
intellectual
-
man
-
as a
-
matter
-
of fact
-
but he
-
was kind
-
of hired
-
by the
-
Pope
-
as a
-
sort of
-
you know
-
the Pope's
-
kind of
-
attack dog
-
to any
-
province
-
of the
-
Roman Catholic
-
Church
-
that decided
-
to go off
-
on its own
-
and teach
-
things that
-
the church
-
found
-
unacceptable
-
you may
-
remember
-
there was
-
quite a lot
-
of press
-
in that
-
the Roman
-
Catholic
-
Church's
-
resistance
-
to
-
same
-
sex
-
relationships
-
drew a
-
lot of
-
attention
-
to the
-
count
-
I think
-
it's got
-
some
-
very
-
highfalutin
-
term
-
the council
-
that looks
-
at all
-
this
-
and the
-
Church of
-
England
-
doesn't
-
have that
-
and I
-
think
-
independent
-
churches
-
probably would
-
struggle to
-
work out
-
well who
-
would be
-
responsible
-
for
-
dealing
-
with
-
wrong
-
teaching
-
I
-
mean you
-
might say
-
the senior
-
pastor
-
that's
-
okay
-
as long
-
as it's
-
not the
-
senior
-
pastor
-
who's
-
doing
-
the wrong
-
teaching
-
but
-
surely
-
surely
-
you can't
-
read this
-
letter to
-
Pergamum
-
without
-
thinking
-
there ought
-
to be
-
some
-
mechanism
-
to stop
-
people
-
just
-
turning
-
up in
-
churches
-
and teaching
-
what the
-
hell they
-
like
-
I mean
-
does that
-
seem mad
-
to you
-
so
-
they were
-
called to
-
repentance
-
and
-
then
-
the risen
-
Christ
-
says to
-
them
-
I will
-
soon
-
come to
-
you
-
if you
-
don't
-
do
-
this
-
if you
-
don't
-
repent
-
I'll
-
soon
-
come to
-
you
-
and
-
we'll
-
fight
-
against
-
them
-
with
-
the
-
sword
-
in my
-
mouth
-
verse
-
17
-
whoever
-
has
-
ears
-
let
-
them
-
hear
-
what
-
the
-
spirit
-
says
-
to
-
the
-
churches
-
may
-
that
-
be
-
our
-
prayer
-
friends
-
as we
-
meet
-
together
-
in this
-
Lent
-
season
-
that the
-
church
-
today
-
in the
-
light of
-
this
-
antagonistic
-
culture
-
might be
-
really
-
attuned
-
to what
-
the
-
spirit
-
says
-
to
-
us
-
and
-
then
-
a
-
common
-
theme
-
in these
-
letters
-
the
-
promise
-
to
-
the
-
one
-
who
-
is
-
victorious
-
I
-
will
-
give
-
some
-
of
-
the
-
hidden
-
manner
-
and
-
this
-
is
-
a
-
rather
-
kind
-
of
-
curious
-
legend
-
that
-
grew up
-
within
-
Judaism
-
and
-
as far
-
as we
-
can
-
tell
-
it
-
doesn't
-
have
-
much
-
authenticity
-
in
-
history
-
but
-
what
-
was
-
thought
-
happened
-
was
-
that
-
you
-
remember
-
when the
-
Jews
-
were in
-
the
-
wilderness
-
you
-
can
-
read
-
about
-
it
-
in
-
the
-
book
-
of
-
numbers
-
they
-
were
-
complained
-
that
-
they
-
didn't
-
get
-
any
-
food
-
so
-
God
-
supplied
-
them
-
with
-
this
-
stuff
-
that
-
came
-
down
-
every
-
morning
-
and
-
it
-
was
-
called
-
manna
-
and
-
they
-
were
-
told
-
this
-
is
-
your
-
provision
-
and
-
of
-
course
-
like
-
the
-
human
-
beings
-
right
-
so
-
they
-
got
-
sick
-
of
-
this
-
manna
-
I
-
don't
-
think
-
it
-
was
-
particularly
-
nice
-
to
-
eat
-
it
-
was
-
probably
-
good
-
protein
-
but
-
that's
-
all
-
you
-
could
-
say
-
about
-
it
-
and
-
the
-
idea
-
was
-
that
-
when
-
the
-
temple
-
was
-
built
-
a little
-
bit
-
of
-
that
-
manna
-
was
-
put
-
into
-
a
-
pot
-
and
-
taken
-
into
-
the
-
temple
-
into
-
the
-
holiest
-
of
-
holies
-
where
-
it
-
was
-
kept
-
in
-
the
-
tabernacle
-
and
-
alongside
-
the
-
legend
-
there
-
arose
-
this
-
idea
-
that
-
on
-
a
-
day
-
appointed
-
by
-
God
-
that
-
pot
-
could
-
be
-
opened
-
and
-
the
-
manna
-
could
-
be
-
eaten
-
I
-
mean
-
I
-
think
-
you
-
would
-
be
-
rushed
-
straight
-
off
-
to
-
the
-
emergency
-
room
-
according to
-
numbers
-
the thing
-
went off
-
over a
-
24 hour
-
period
-
they were
-
told
-
not to
-
store
-
it
-
because
-
it
-
did
-
go
-
off
-
and
-
it
-
used
-
a
-
very
-
robust
-
language
-
if you
-
leave
-
it
-
over
-
24
-
hours
-
it
-
will
-
stink
-
it
-
is
-
a
-
bit
-
like
-
fish
-
or
-
something
-
I
-
don't
-
know
-
but
-
you know
-
not
-
pleasant
-
so
-
the
-
idea
-
was
-
that
-
the
-
promise
-
here
-
relates
-
to
-
the
-
time
-
that
-
some
-
of that
-
hidden
-
manna
-
would be
-
given
-
to the
-
people
-
of God
-
and
-
when
-
they were
-
given
-
that
-
manna
-
it
-
would
-
reinforce
-
the
-
idea
-
that
-
they
-
were
-
being
-
rewarded
-
for
-
overcoming
-
what
-
had
-
gone
-
before
-
in
-
the
-
church
-
and
-
prevailing
-
and
-
then
-
there's
-
this
-
other
-
promise
-
the
-
white
-
stone
-
and
-
my
-
friend
-
John
-
Angle
-
walked
-
into
-
church
-
tonight
-
and
-
said
-
to
-
me
-
I've
-
got
-
a
-
white
-
stone
-
with
-
me
-
and
-
proceeded
-
to
-
tell
-
me
-
the
-
story
-
that
-
lay
-
behind
-
that
-
white
-
stone
-
and
-
so
-
I
-
just
-
said
-
to
-
John
-
would
-
you
-
stand
-
up
-
and
-
just
-
say
-
you
-
might
-
have
-
to
-
speak
-
loud
-
I
-
knew
-
that
-
it
-
was
-
talking
-
about
-
a
-
white
-
stone
-
in
-
Pergamum
-
tonight
-
and I
-
just
-
picked
-
this
-
up
-
off
-
the
-
shelf
-
which
-
I
-
keep
-
in
-
my
-
study
-
in
-
the
-
1990s
-
I
-
was
-
worshipping
-
at
-
St.
-
Andrews
-
as
-
some
-
people
-
know
-
and
-
I
-
felt
-
called
-
to
-
ministry
-
and
-
Bishop
-
Jim
-
as
-
was
-
then
-
he
-
decided
-
that
-
yes
-
he
-
would
-
send
-
me
-
to
-
a
-
conference
-
where
-
I
-
would
-
be
-
assessed
-
as to
-
whether
-
I
-
was
-
suitable
-
to
-
go
-
forward
-
for
-
ministry
-
I
-
was
-
walking
-
around
-
the
-
garden
-
in
-
this
-
residential
-
place
-
prior
-
to
-
the
-
conference
-
taking
-
place
-
and
-
I
-
bent
-
down
-
and I
-
picked
-
up
-
a stone
-
this
-
white
-
stone
-
I
-
put it
-
in my
-
pocket
-
and I
-
went back
-
to my
-
room
-
and
-
then I
-
suddenly
-
realised
-
this
-
passage
-
in
-
Revelation
-
and I
-
read the
-
passage
-
in
-
Revelation
-
which
-
said
-
I
-
will
-
give
-
him
-
a
-
white
-
stone
-
with
-
a
-
new
-
name
-
written
-
on it
-
and I
-
grabbed
-
the stone
-
and I
-
said
-
yes
-
Lord
-
that's
-
your
-
promise
-
to me
-
I
-
am
-
going
-
forward
-
to
-
something
-
new
-
and God
-
you're
-
going to
-
be with
-
me
-
and you've
-
given me
-
that stone
-
as a
-
promise
-
so I
-
feel
-
that the
-
white
-
stone
-
it
-
means
-
a
-
promise
-
of
-
something
-
new
-
to come
-
and that
-
was what
-
this meant
-
to me
-
my
-
white
-
stone
-
thanks
-
John
-
so
-
amongst
-
the
-
books
-
I've
-
read
-
on the
-
book
-
of
-
Revelation
-
there
-
are
-
four
-
things
-
where
-
people
-
seek
-
to
-
and I
-
want to
-
say
-
that
-
it
-
seems
-
to me
-
John
-
that
-
your
-
explanation
-
of the
-
stone
-
is not
-
far
-
from
-
some
-
of
-
these
-
things
-
actually
-
in the
-
ancient
-
world
-
if you're
-
given a
-
white
-
stone
-
sorry
-
if you
-
were acquitted
-
at a
-
trial
-
you would
-
be given
-
a white
-
stone
-
so
-
Protestant
-
theologians
-
made a lot
-
about this
-
and made
-
it an
-
analogy
-
of the
-
doctrine
-
of
-
justification
-
which Paul
-
talks about
-
in Romans
Romans 5 chapter mention
-
chapter 5
-
justification
-
means we're
-
counted
-
righteous
-
on the
-
back of
-
the
-
righteousness
-
of
-
Jesus
-
it is
-
appropriated
-
to us
-
the
-
second
-
reason
-
second
-
use
-
of a
-
white
-
stone
-
was
-
if you
-
won a
-
battle
-
you'd
-
be
-
given
-
a
-
white
-
stone
-
a bit
-
like a
-
medal
-
in the
-
modern
-
army
-
you were
-
given
-
a
-
white
-
stone
-
and the
-
third
-
reason
-
you would
-
be
-
given
-
a
-
white
-
stone
-
in the
-
ancient
-
world
-
was
-
when you
-
were
-
given
-
freedom
-
of the
-
city
-
and the
-
final
-
one
-
which I
-
think
-
has
-
more
-
in it
-
than the
-
other
-
three
-
explanations
-
is
-
what's
-
known as
-
the
-
tessara
-
hospitalis
-
that
-
means
-
the
-
token
-
hospitality
-
what
-
happened
-
was
-
that
-
two
-
friends
-
would be
-
given
-
white
-
stones
-
and they
-
would write
-
the name
-
of the
-
other
-
person
-
on their
-
stone
-
and then
-
time
-
might
-
separate
-
them
-
and go
-
their
-
different
-
ways
-
if they
-
died
-
they would
-
hand
-
their stone
-
on to
-
their
-
son
-
or their
-
daughter
-
probably
-
their
-
son
-
and when
-
they met
-
up with
-
the person
-
had the
-
other
-
stone
-
this meant
-
there was
-
a responsibility
-
on you
-
to show
-
hospitality
-
that didn't
-
mean you
-
had to go
-
and cook
-
them a
-
meal
-
I mean
-
it might
-
mean that
-
what it
-
meant was
-
that you
-
would be
-
hospitable
-
to them
-
and
-
I think
-
it's not
-
too fanciful
-
to see
-
this
-
explanation
-
as a
-
kind of
-
foretaste
-
of the
-
heavenly
-
banquet
-
that
-
our
-
names
-
if we
-
trust
-
Christ
-
and we
-
stick
-
with him
-
whatever
-
the
-
opposition
-
then we
-
will have
-
our
-
invite
-
to the
-
heavenly
-
banquet
-
we
-
should
-
be
-
there
-
and
-
God
-
will
-
have
-
our
-
name
-
written
-
on the
-
stone
-
that he
-
hands
-
to us
-
so
-
very
-
quickly
-
what have
-
we learned
-
thus far
-
from
-
Ephesians
-
we learned
-
that
-
doctrinal
-
purity
-
without
-
love
-
is not
-
what the
-
risen
-
Christ
-
calls us
-
to
-
you can
-
be as
-
sound
-
as you
-
like
-
as a
-
Christian
-
but if
-
you don't
-
have any
-
love in
-
your heart
-
agape
-
in your
-
heart
-
it means
-
nothing
-
secondly
-
love
-
without
-
any
-
doctrinal
-
understanding
-
just leaves
-
the church
-
undefended
-
wide open
-
to the
-
modern day
-
Balaam's
-
and
-
Nicolatians
-
thirdly
-
to those
-
who prevail
-
says Jesus
-
I will
-
give
-
eternal
-
life
-
chapter 2
-
and verse
-
7
-
so keep
-
your eyes
-
on the
-
prize
-
chapter 2
-
verse 11
-
and then I
-
think what we
-
add tonight
-
is that we
-
need to
-
monitor the
-
balance in
-
the way we
-
go about
-
our evangelism
-
about how
-
we connect
-
with this
-
world
-
that balance
-
between
-
collusion
-
and compromise
-
and that
-
takes wisdom
-
from on
-
high
-
as I
-
said earlier
-
I think
-
there's only
-
one route
-
for us to
-
have wisdom
-
on high
-
it's not
-
via a
-
university
-
not via a
-
public school
-
not via any
-
school
-
it's via
-
our relationship
-
with God
-
and our
-
willingness to
-
seek his
-
wisdom
-
on any
-
and every
-
subject
-
amen
-
amen
-
Thank you.