Sermon
A Pastor's Pledge
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Thank you so much, Aaron.
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So good to see you all.
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Really blessed to be here.
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I heard there was a queue coming up.
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Was that right?
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Oh, yeah, that's bad.
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We'll try and talk to the management
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and see if we can get more lifts up.
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But you know when there isn't a queue?
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Nine o'clock.
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No queue then.
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Ten o'clock.
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No queue.
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10.30 for the pre-service prayer.
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Guess what?
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No queue.
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So if you want to have no queue,
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that's when you come.
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But honestly, we're trying to figure things out.
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It's a special...
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It's been actually an exciting
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but also a reflective week for me
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because this is the three-year anniversary
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of us being in the Admiralty Center.
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Three years.
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We've been doing this for three years
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and it feels as though every few months
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we have to do some kind of changes.
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We have to install some kind of fans
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because people are fainting.
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We have to add more chairs.
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We have to change into a different floor.
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And we are still figuring it out.
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And what I do really cherish
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is that we have a community
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that is willing to have grace
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and figure it out together.
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Yesterday we had a group of leaders again
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just going,
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what do we do?
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How are we going to go about this?
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And where's God leading us?
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And just constantly trying to communicate
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and just ask,
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Lord, what is it that you want from us?
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And what is it that you desire for us
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as a church?
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And so we're actually going to take
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a bit of a break from Genesis.
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We've been going through the book of Genesis
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since Easter.
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So it's been quite a long time.
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We've gone all the way to Genesis 24
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and we're going to take one week intermission.
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And I realized it's because
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as I look around now,
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as I look and I see,
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I see familiar faces.
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I see new familiar faces
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and I see just completely new faces.
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And then I'm just like,
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well, every, again,
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every few months,
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I feel as though it's time to do
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just like a little pause
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so I can introduce who we are
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and also a bit of housekeeping
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and a constant reminder
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of why we do what we do.
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Those gathering statements,
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honestly, they're there for me.
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They're there for me
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because I'm coming every Sunday going,
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what am I doing here?
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Why is it that I'm here?
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And so actually those are
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almost my mission statements.
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I'm here because it's a complex time
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and I'm trying to live
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in the most simple way that I can.
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I'm trying to walk daily
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in the ways of Jesus.
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I'm trying to know him
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and I'm trying to enjoy him.
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That's what I'm trying to do
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every single day.
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And then I'm trying to gather
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with people who I perceive
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a spiritual family,
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people who I'm hoping to raise up,
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people who I'm hoping
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will raise up my sons and daughters.
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Daughter.
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Only one daughter.
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No more.
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We're done.
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Daughter.
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So that's it.
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Three.
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We're good.
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Lord have mercy.
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And then I'm also going,
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okay, how do we disciple leaders
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of the next generation?
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We started this
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when I was still part of Young Life,
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which is now headed up by Aaron.
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And there's quite a few of you here.
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How do we pour into the next generation?
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How do we continue to see people
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who are growing up,
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who are young,
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but are worshipping the Lord
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and who are choosing
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to follow the way of Jesus?
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And how do we reach those
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who are on the fringe,
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who actually,
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if we don't go out and reach them,
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they won't even come in.
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So we're trying to figure that out.
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Of course,
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logistically,
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that means then there's some issue
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as we try and bring more people in.
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Then we get more cramps.
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There's less oxygen to go around.
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And then we're trying
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to figure that out.
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So we are continually praying,
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Lord,
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what is it that you want us to do?
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And I realize a lot of this is on me.
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It's a humbling experience for me
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because these last three years
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have been the most enjoyable,
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most rewarding,
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but also the hardest
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because you're constantly
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having to make decisions
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that not everyone likes.
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And actually,
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more importantly,
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I realize for me,
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we as a church,
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we will only go as far
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as I go
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in terms of me being a leader.
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I think we look at the world right now
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and what do we see?
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We see a leadership problem.
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We see there are not enough
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godly leaders out there
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who would humble themselves
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and lead in a way
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that God actually desires.
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In fact,
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I personally think
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you can trace all of the world's problems
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back to a lack of good godly leadership.
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And that's humbling
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and terrifying for me as a leader.
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And actually,
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it's Alistair Begg who said this,
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that the church does not advance
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beyond the spiritual progress
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of its leader.
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They did a survey 80 years ago
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for the Anglican church in England
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and they were looking
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at all the different parishes around
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and seeing which of the churches
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and the communities that are thriving
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and which ones are not.
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And you know what they found?
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It all came down to
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whether there was a shepherd,
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there was a leader
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in that congregation.
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Oh, that's a humbling,
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terrifying experience
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for me to say the least.
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So I'm constantly asking myself,
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how am I with the Lord?
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Do I love the Lord?
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If I want you to love the Lord,
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then I need to be growing
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in the love of the Lord.
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If I want you to be reading
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and abiding in the word daily,
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then I need to be abiding
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in the word daily.
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I want you to be praying.
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I want you to be scattering.
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Guess what I need to be doing?
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Those very things.
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How do I walk and go from the front?
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And that's a tough thing.
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And I'm going to share with you
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from a passage today
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which I hold dearly to my heart.
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I think it makes it into my prayers
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on a weekly basis
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because I can't do without it.
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Because when we're talking about
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what it means to be a shepherd,
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Jesus talks directly about it.
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And actually in John 21,
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just before he leaves,
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he picks out one of his leaders
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who made tons of mistakes,
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a guy called Peter
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who denied him three times
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and by the fire,
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he goes to Peter in John 21,
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do you love me?
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And if you love me,
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you'll feed my sheep.
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For me, that's the constant question
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that I ask myself.
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Lord, do I love you?
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I should only feed your sheep.
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I should only pastor if I love you.
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And I can tell you this.
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It's an honest confession.
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You can go by in ministry
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not loving the Lord.
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You can completely ignore the Lord.
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But that's not my hope
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and that's not my prayer.
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And actually,
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that's my request for a prayer
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from you to us
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and to our leaders.
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Would you continue to pray
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for your leaders
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that they would continue
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to love the Lord,
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continue to know the Lord
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and continue to enjoy the Lord.
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And of course,
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after Peter says,
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yes, I do love you,
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I do love you,
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I do love you,
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unknowingly,
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knowing that actually
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Jesus was trying to restore him,
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restore him for those three times
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that he actually denied him,
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he ends up in a place
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where it's okay,
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you are now going to feed my sheep.
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Peter, many years later,
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writes a letter.
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He writes a letter
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and this is the passage
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that we're going to focus on today
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is 1 Peter 5, 1 to 11.
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And it's talking about
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how do we as shepherds
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actually shepherd the flock?
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And hopefully,
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with this intermission,
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with this bit of a breather
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from Genesis,
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which we'll be back in next week,
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Gabe is going to go
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into Genesis 25,
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but this week,
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we'll just have a breather
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and go, okay,
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what is the heart behind
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everything that we're doing in this?
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And what is my heart?
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And what is God's heart
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for our flock here?
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So as is our tradition,
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can I invite you to stand
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for the word of the Lord?
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Kelly is going to come up
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and read it to us
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and maybe I'll say a quick prayer
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before we do that.
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God,
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we stand for your word
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because we
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we don't only respect this,
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we revere your word.
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We depend on it.
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We are filled with awe
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that these words are from you,
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that you would speak to us
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in a way that we would understand.
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And Holy Spirit,
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there are times
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when we are hard of hearing,
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we don't understand.
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So Holy Spirit,
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would you guide us today?
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Would you speak to us today
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through your word?
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Minister to us, Lord.
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1 Peter,
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chapter 5,
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verse 1 to 11.
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Shepherd the flock of God.
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So I exhort the elders among you
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as a fellow elder
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and a witness
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of the sufferings of Christ,
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as well as a partaker
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in the glory
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that is going to be revealed.
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Shepherd the flock of God
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that is among you,
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exercising oversight,
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not under compulsion,
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but willingly,
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as God would have you,
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not for shameful gain,
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but eagerly,
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not domineering
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over those in your charge,
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but being examples
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to the flock.
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And when the chief shepherd appears,
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you will receive
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the unfading crown of glory.
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Likewise,
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you who are younger,
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be subject to the elders.
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Clothe yourselves,
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all of you,
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with humility
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toward one another,
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for God opposes the proud,
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but gives grace
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to the humble.
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Humble yourselves,
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therefore,
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under the mighty hand of God,
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so that at the proper time
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he may exalt you,
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casting all your anxieties on him,
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because he cares for you.
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Be sober-minded,
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be watchful.
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Your adversary,
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the devil,
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prowls around
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like a roaring lion,
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seeking someone to devour.
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Resist him,
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firm in your faith,
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knowing that the same kinds
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of suffering
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are being experienced
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by your brotherhood
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throughout the world.
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And after you have suffered
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a little while,
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the God of all grace,
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who has called you
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to his eternal glory in Christ,
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will himself restore,
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confirm,
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strengthen,
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and establish you.
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To him be the dominion
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forever and ever.
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Amen.
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This is the word of the Lord.
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Please take a seat.
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Thank you, Kelly.
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Just a bit of context here.
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He's writing to the church
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and he's writing this letter
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and actually,
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most of the letter,
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he's actually just talking
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about suffering.
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He's saying,
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when you become a Christian,
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it's not about health and wealth.
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It's not about how you
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then have your purpose
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that makes you feel
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completely satisfied
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and then you can walk around
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happy,
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singing in the rain.
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It's way more than that.
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In fact,
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there's going to be
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a lot of suffering
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that happens in your life.
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That's what he's talking about.
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And then in chapter 4,
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verse 17,
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he says,
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there will be judgment.
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There will be judgment
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and it will start first where?
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It will start first
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with the church.
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The church who has received
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the good news,
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who has been entrusted
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with this good news,
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who knows how to live,
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who at least knows
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how they should live,
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judgment is going to start
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with the church.
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And then he jumps into
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this leadership passage,
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which tells me that
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it not only starts
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with the church,
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it starts with the leaders
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of the church.
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And actually,
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for us as we're here,
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you might be sat here going,
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oof,
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thank goodness I don't have to
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be in the pulpit every week.
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Oof,
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thank goodness that I'm
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not an actual pastor
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and a leader.
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No, I'm talking about
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anyone who's a leader for me.
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I'm looking at this passage
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going,
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oh,
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this is what it means
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to be a leader.
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Of course,
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1 Timothy 3 says,
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he who desires
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a leadership role
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to be an elder,
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that is a noble thing.
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So we should all
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continue to strive
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to be the leaders
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in our communities,
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in our families,
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in our workplaces,
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in our friendship groups.
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But right now,
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he's talking to these elders here
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and it's funny
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because he's talking to them
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as a fellow elder himself.
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So he's kind of going,
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say,
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hey,
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I'm the same as you.
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And then he starts
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on this passage.
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So he's talked about suffering.
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He's talked about judgment
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that will come
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and he says judgment
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will start from the church.
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So the church needs
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to not have any hypocrisy.
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Say what you believe,
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do what you believe
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and actually live it out
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so that the world can see.
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Sadly,
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that rarely happens
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sometimes, right,
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is what we feel.
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People outside keep saying,
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I don't go to church
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because of the hypocrites.
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And that's just
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the heartbreaking thing.
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And you look at this passage,
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you say,
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that's not what it's supposed
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to be.
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And so then he goes
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and he talks about the suffering
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and he says,
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so I exhort.
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That word is an old-fashioned word.
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Anyone use the word exhort recently
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in just conversations?
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Jojo has?
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Did you just put your hand up?
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Well, yesterday.
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Oh, nice.
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Between the two of you,
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look at that.
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We have some great leaders
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already in our church.
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The word exhort for me means,
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it was actually a word
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that was used by Greek warriors
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standing in front of the soldiers
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trying to exhort them.
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What were they trying to do?
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They were trying to pour courage
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into them.
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Encourage.
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Pour courage into them
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so that they could go into battle.
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They were trying to move their hearts.
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That's what I'm trying to do here.
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I'm trying to use this book,
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the word of God,
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which gives us life,
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and I'm trying to speak it
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into your heart
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so that your heart
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would be moved
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so that you would then
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have a desire
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to know him more,
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to enjoy him more.
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That's what I'm trying to do.
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So he's exhorting these elders
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and he's saying,
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hey, me,
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I'm a fellow elder as well.
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And guess what?
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Not only am I a fellow elder,
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I was a witness
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of the sufferings of Christ
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as well as a partaker
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of the glory
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that is going to be revealed.
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This is interesting.
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He's saying,
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if you're going to be a leader,
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if you're going to be an elder,
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you will have suffering
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and you will have glory.
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How many of us
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just want the glory?
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How many of us
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just want a thriving small group?
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Just want a thriving
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church community?
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Just want a thriving business?
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The Bible doesn't seem
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to talk just about glory.
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He's talking a lot
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about suffering as well.
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Romans 8 talks about this,
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that if we're going to
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be glorified with him,
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if we're going to be raised with him,
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we also must suffer with him.
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And so he's talking about
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suffering in the sense
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that it's not just about the hype.
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There is way more.
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And actually for Peter,
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he was a witness
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to the sufferings of Christ.
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Why?
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He was there.
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He was there when he was dragged
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from the garden
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to the cross.
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He was also there
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in Mark 9,
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Luke 9,
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at the Transvigoration,
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where he's up in the mountain
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and he sees Jesus
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just in all his glory.
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So much glory
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that he's like,
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Jesus,
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let's build three tents here
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and let's just stay here forever.
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We love the glory that is here.
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And what does Jesus say?
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He says,
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well, no,
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we're going back down.
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That passage is fascinating
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because as soon as they go
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back down the hill,
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where do they end up?
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Into chaos.
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There is demonic possession.
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There are seizures happening.
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And it makes you think,
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wow,
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they wanted to stay
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in the mountaintop,
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but they had to come back down.
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But he also knows
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that at some point
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the glory is going to be revealed.
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That's where Romans 8
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comes back in and says,
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creation is groaning.
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There is suffering.
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But my goodness,
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there is going to come a day
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where Jesus is going to return
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and we're going to see
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that glory again.
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I,
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as a fellow elder,
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exhort you
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as a witness
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of the sufferings of Christ
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as a partaker
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in the glory
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that is going to be revealed.
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This is my instruction.
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This is my advice.
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Shepherd the flock of God
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that is among you.
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Shepherd.
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Careful.
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Watch over
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is what he's saying.
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Shepherd the flock of God
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that is among you.
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And of course,
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straight away,
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we're thinking shepherd.
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What does a shepherd do?
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Is anyone a shepherd here?
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No.
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Hong Kong's mostly lawyers,
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bankers,
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doctors,
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no shepherds.
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But a shepherd,
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if you go back to Psalm 23,
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you'll see
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someone who cares,
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someone who leads
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the sheep
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to the green pastures,
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to the still waters,
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to the right path,
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but also to the valleys,
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the valleys of the shadow of death.
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Also prepares tables
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in the presence of the enemy
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in the sense that it protects.
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The shepherd protects,
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guides,
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and pursues.
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Surely his goodness and mercy
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will follow us
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all the days of our lives.
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A shepherd,
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someone who cares.
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And it's interesting here,
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it says,
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the shepherd,
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the flock of God.
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That,
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for me,
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I paused straight away
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as I read that
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because it's not
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shepherd the flock
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of James
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or shepherd the flock
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of Gabe
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or Christine
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or Joe
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or Alex.
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It's shepherd the flock
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of God.
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You're not actually mine.
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Thank goodness
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you are not mine.
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You are the Lord's.
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But all that does
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is make it even
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harder for me
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because I'm like,
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oh,
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I best look after this.
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I best look after this
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because this isn't mine.
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You guys are not mine.
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I've got to care for you,
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watch over you
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so when the chief shepherd
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appears,
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you will be beautiful.
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Shepherd the flock
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of God among you.
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The word among you
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is basically
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the ones in front of you.
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What does this tell me?
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I cannot choose
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who to pastor.
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If you're sat in this room,
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I'm hoping to shepherd you,
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to care for you,
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to watch over you.
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If you're sat in this room,
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it also goes the other way.
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You're looking at me
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and going,
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well,
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this is my shepherd.
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That's all I've got.
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There's this relationship
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which is,
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we're going to shepherd
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the flock that is
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in front of us,
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not the group
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that we wish to have
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because when we look
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at sheep,
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when we look at each other,
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when we look at people,
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it often gets ugly.
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Inherently flawed
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is what I am,
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as are you.
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But we shepherd the flock,
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we look after them
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because they're
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entrusted to us.
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And we exercise oversight
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to over,
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just,
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again,
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in Psalm 23,
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you'll see,
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even though I walk
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through the valley
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of the shadow of death,
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I will fear no evil.
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Your rod and your staff,
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they comfort me.
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Why?
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Because sheep would wander.
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So the shepherd would then
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actually have to use
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a rod and a staff
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to drag them out of the bushes,
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to take them away
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from the cliff edge.
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And so it's this constant
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of just caring and overseeing
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and to making sure
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that they're okay.
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And I don't do it,
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it says here,
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and not under compulsion,
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but willingly.
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And I can tell you this,
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I willingly,
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and it excites me
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and it loves me
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and it's my way
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of loving you
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when I come up
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to open up this word
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to you every day
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because I know
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that this is how
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I'm going to love you,
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this is how I'm going
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to shepherd you
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by telling you
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not just my wisdom
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and not just my truth
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because there is limited
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wisdom and truth
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that comes from me,
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but from this book.
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And I love that.
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And no one's forcing me
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to do this.
-
I loved being a teacher
-
in England.
-
I can imagine sometimes
-
going back to there
-
because the students
-
would do what I say.
-
You guys don't really
-
do what I say,
-
but I love it.
-
I love it
-
and I wouldn't choose
-
to be anywhere else
-
is what I'm saying.
-
Not for shameful gain,
-
but eagerly
-
and not domineering
-
over those in your charge.
-
I'm not here
-
to force anyone.
-
I can't force anyone.
-
Everyone's here
-
by their own volition.
-
Everyone here
-
has to make that decision
-
to follow Jesus themselves.
-
That's a hard one for me
-
and I'll talk a little bit
-
more about this later,
-
but I have this idol
-
which is control.
-
I want to,
-
well,
-
mostly control myself
-
and the circumstances
-
around me,
-
but that can translate
-
into how I shepherd the flock.
-
I can't force anyone
-
to do anything.
-
I'm not here to do that.
-
All I'm here to do
-
is to then be
-
an example to you.
-
We've had a group
-
called The Fellowship
-
this last year
-
where we were challenging
-
each other going,
-
what does it mean
-
to be a disciple of Jesus
-
in Hong Kong
-
where schedules are packed?
-
And so we decided,
-
actually,
-
if this is the most important
-
thing in our lives,
-
we will make time
-
to read the Bible.
-
We will make time
-
to pray for one another
-
and guess what?
-
We did.
-
Every day,
-
well,
-
every weekday,
-
we managed to do that
-
but the main premise
-
of that was,
-
hey,
-
I'm not going to force you
-
to do this
-
but here's the real challenge.
-
How about you
-
call yourself higher
-
and me as your shepherd,
-
I'll simply hold you there
-
because we all know
-
we need people
-
around us
-
to help us.
-
We need accountability.
-
accountability.
-
I have,
-
again,
-
I've shared publicly
-
that I've been trying
-
to exercise more
-
and one day
-
I'll be able to beat
-
my wife in a wrestling match
-
and so therefore
-
I signed up to the gym
-
and I had brothers around me
-
who will remind me,
-
have you done leg day?
-
And I said,
-
I don't want to do leg day.
-
Leg day's painful.
-
But they're like,
-
no,
-
it's important
-
for your overall health
-
as you're building
-
muscle everywhere.
-
You need leg day.
-
So I do it once a week,
-
one set
-
and that's it.
-
But we need people
-
around us
-
to do this.
-
But the whole point is
-
I can't do it for you.
-
I can't force you
-
to do anything.
-
I wouldn't want to.
-
But you call yourself higher
-
and I promise
-
I can hold you there
-
or at least I will try
-
to hold you there.
-
I will do it with you
-
is what I'm saying.
-
I'll be an example to you.
-
1 Corinthians 9.27
-
is what was etched
-
onto my basketball shoes
-
as a university player
-
and it said,
-
I discipline my body,
-
training it to do
-
what it should
-
lest after preaching
-
to others
-
I myself might be disqualified.
-
For me,
-
I'm all about,
-
if I want you to do it,
-
I'm going to do it first
-
and I'm going to do it more.
-
I discipline myself
-
because the last thing
-
I want is to tell you
-
to do it
-
and then you end up
-
doing it and I don't
-
and then I end up
-
being disqualified.
-
That's not what I want.
-
That's why Paul says,
-
1 Corinthians 11.1,
-
imitate me
-
as I imitate Christ.
-
Like look,
-
we all want to follow Jesus.
-
We want to follow
-
in the ways of Jesus
-
but Jesus we can't see right now.
-
It's pretty hard
-
but guess who they saw
-
at that point?
-
Paul.
-
Guess who you can see
-
at this point?
-
You can see me.
-
You can see Jojo.
-
You can see Kelly.
-
You can see Hank.
-
You can see Gabs.
-
You can see people who,
-
okay,
-
they're doing it.
-
I'm going to follow them.
-
That's the whole point
-
of why we're gathering here together
-
because it's hard to do it
-
on our own
-
but once we start seeing
-
other people do it
-
who are setting the example
-
for us,
-
then maybe we have
-
a better chance
-
of doing it ourselves.
-
Shepherd the flock
-
of God among you.
-
Not domineering over those
-
in your charge
-
but being examples
-
to the flock.
-
And when the chief shepherd
-
appears,
-
oh,
-
that's it.
-
So I'm not the boss.
-
Thank goodness.
-
I'm the under shepherd.
-
There is a chief who's coming.
-
There is a glory
-
that is going to be revealed
-
and when he comes,
-
I will receive
-
the unfading crown of glory
-
as will those
-
who are leading,
-
who are laying your lives down
-
for the people
-
that you're trying to lead.
-
When you're pulling teeth,
-
pulling people,
-
if you stay,
-
if you stay on that road,
-
if you continue to persist,
-
when the chief shepherd appears,
-
you will receive
-
the unfading crown of glory.
-
That's the one
-
that a racer gets.
-
That's the one
-
that an athlete gets.
-
That's the one
-
that the warrior gets.
-
The crown belongs to you
-
should you do all of this.
-
But before he carries on
-
with that,
-
he then says,
-
stop.
-
Likewise,
-
you who are younger,
-
Mervyn, Jasper,
-
Hannah,
-
who else is younger?
-
There's lots of people
-
who are younger here.
-
He turns
-
and he says,
-
you who are younger,
-
be subject to the elders.
-
That's a,
-
he kind of,
-
he's on the same topic
-
but then he kind of
-
turns on the young people.
-
He says,
-
look,
-
you're around a lot of people
-
who are older than you
-
and you might think
-
that you know everything
-
and they don't get
-
this new era,
-
this new generation
-
of way of doing things.
-
He turns to them
-
and he says,
-
hey,
-
be subject to the elders.
-
This is a tough one.
-
This is a tough one
-
because you've got to
-
look at the people above you
-
and often you disagree with them
-
because they don't
-
understand you either.
-
But when he's talking
-
to the church,
-
when he's talking
-
to the younger people,
-
he's saying,
-
hey,
-
you're still going to have
-
to be subject
-
to the elders.
-
There is still wisdom there.
-
I find myself,
-
okay,
-
so I think,
-
I feel as though personally,
-
this is a bit of a sharing
-
of a midlife crisis situation
-
right here,
-
is I think the young people
-
think I'm old
-
and the old people
-
think I'm young.
-
And I'm kind of,
-
I'm kind of stuck
-
in this middle ground.
-
At least that's what
-
I think anyway.
-
But,
-
I think what happens is
-
I end up getting
-
to see both sides.
-
The older people
-
looking at the young ones
-
going,
-
oh,
-
we can't trust them.
-
We can't trust them.
-
They make stupid mistakes.
-
And on the whole,
-
you know,
-
you're pretty stupid.
-
You know,
-
because you make stupid mistakes,
-
as did we.
-
But then the younger people
-
are like,
-
you don't understand us.
-
You don't understand us
-
and you don't even know
-
how to use your phone.
-
All you know
-
is how to crush the candy
-
and that's it.
-
And you know,
-
no one uses Facebook anymore.
-
And I sit in the middle
-
and I'm going,
-
you know what,
-
there's such great things
-
that can be learned
-
from both sides.
-
If only both sides
-
are willing to listen.
-
If only the young people
-
will just look up
-
and go,
-
wow,
-
you've lived so many
-
more years than I.
-
Yes,
-
I really was in nappies
-
when you were already
-
doing this thing
-
called life.
-
There is something
-
to learn from you,
-
even the mistakes
-
that you made.
-
There's something
-
that I can learn from you.
-
And for an older person
-
to then say the same
-
and going,
-
oh,
-
wow,
-
how do you use
-
this device?
-
How do you join
-
the TikTok?
-
Oh,
-
you have to move
-
out of Hong Kong.
-
Okay.
-
And he carries on
-
and you know
-
that's what he's saying
-
because he says,
-
clothe yourselves,
-
all of you,
-
with humility
-
toward one another.
-
So he says,
-
clothe yourselves
-
with humility
-
but then he says,
-
all of you,
-
just before the old people
-
cross their arms
-
and say,
-
yes,
-
you young people,
-
be subject to us.
-
He turns,
-
he says,
-
all of you,
-
humble yourselves
-
toward one another
-
for God opposes the proud
-
and gives grace
-
to the humble.
-
And this next part
-
is the prayer
-
that I pray always.
-
So therefore,
-
humble yourselves
-
under the mighty hand
-
of God
-
so that at the proper time
-
he may exalt you,
-
casting all your anxieties
-
onto him
-
because he cares
-
for you.
-
That's my prayer
-
so often.
-
he touches on the topic
-
that I think
-
is the most important topic,
-
humility.
-
Humility.
-
I'm reminded of a
-
somewhat prideful
-
and embarrassing moment
-
for myself.
-
Growing up as a young pastor
-
and who liked to talk,
-
I saw,
-
I met a pastor
-
who was very well known,
-
very experienced
-
in speaking
-
and I said,
-
hey,
-
I've got a couple people
-
who,
-
you know,
-
around the same age as me,
-
same stage in ministry,
-
would you like to mentor us
-
and teach us
-
how to speak,
-
how to speak like you?
-
And then he just said,
-
no.
-
I was like,
-
oh.
-
I said,
-
I said,
-
why?
-
He said,
-
well,
-
I think I've done that
-
quite a lot
-
and one of the dangers
-
of that is
-
if someone has the gifting
-
but they don't have
-
the character
-
or the humility,
-
it just ends up
-
in the wrong place.
-
He'd been in ministry
-
for 42 years
-
and every scandal,
-
every moral failure,
-
every just problem
-
that has happened
-
in the church
-
comes from this issue
-
called pride.
-
What happens
-
before the fall?
-
Pride.
-
And he's talking
-
to everyone,
-
young and old.
-
He's talking to you
-
and me
-
and you
-
and you.
-
Clothe yourselves.
-
Clothe yourselves
-
in the sense
-
that it's not natural
-
to you.
-
You don't wake up
-
and suddenly
-
you're humble.
-
In fact,
-
it's almost unnatural.
-
You have to go
-
and deliberately,
-
intentionally go
-
and clothe yourself
-
with humility
-
toward one another
-
for God opposes
-
the proud
-
and gives grace
-
to the humble.
-
And then he moves
-
into anxiety
-
which is really interesting
-
because he goes
-
humble yourselves
-
therefore under
-
the mighty hand of God
-
and then he says
-
casting all your anxieties
-
onto him
-
because he cares for you
-
and that speaks to me.
-
I humble myself
-
under the mighty hand of God
-
and then,
-
I mean,
-
I'm a very anxious person
-
so I cast my anxieties
-
onto him.
-
He's not jumping topics here.
-
It's the same thing.
-
Why?
-
Because anxiety
-
is actually a form of pride.
-
If you're an anxious person,
-
if you're anxious about studies,
-
if you're anxious about your work,
-
if you're anxious about your relationships,
-
did it ever occur to you
-
that you're actually being prideful?
-
John Piper says this,
-
anxiety is a fruit of pride
-
because it is an attempt
-
to carry a weight
-
that only God
-
is designed to bear.
-
Humility casts
-
its burdens,
-
pride clings to them.
-
Let me read that
-
one more time.
-
Anxiety is a fruit of pride
-
because it is an attempt
-
to carry a weight
-
that only God
-
is designed to bear.
-
Humility casts its burdens,
-
pride clings to them.
-
As a leader,
-
I think about that
-
all the time.
-
I have lots of anxieties
-
about how to keep
-
a big group of people
-
in a small office space
-
in Hong Kong
-
cool.
-
How to fit everyone,
-
how to welcome people.
-
So, you know,
-
you were very kind
-
in saying the gathering
-
was very welcoming,
-
but the truth is
-
it's so big,
-
we can't really
-
quality control that.
-
Someone can walk in here
-
for a whole month
-
and not have anyone
-
speak to them,
-
and that breaks my heart.
-
There's nothing,
-
we can't,
-
we haven't got a system
-
in place yet
-
to figure that one out.
-
So I'm anxious about that.
-
I'm anxious about
-
the life groups that we have.
-
I'm anxious about
-
the leaders that we have.
-
Are these groups
-
growing towards Jesus
-
or are they just
-
becoming social groups
-
where they're just
-
wanting to hang out?
-
I have all these anxieties
-
as a pastor.
-
Am I shepherding the flock well?
-
And then God reminds me,
-
you know that anxiety
-
that you have, James,
-
about a pretty good thing
-
which is trying to care
-
for people?
-
Well, that's pride.
-
Because this isn't your flock.
-
One of the first people
-
that I discipled
-
was when I was 19,
-
I was in second year university,
-
I had a friend
-
who was two years younger
-
than me,
-
brought him to Christ
-
and then I would lose sleep
-
over him
-
for the next four years
-
because he then
-
showed up at university,
-
started hanging out
-
with the wrong crowd
-
and I would spend,
-
how do I stop him
-
from hanging out
-
with that crowd?
-
How do I stop him
-
from going to these parties?
-
How do I stop him
-
from doing all these things?
-
And I would get so caught up.
-
I'd be like a parent
-
lying in bed going,
-
where is he?
-
1 a.m.
-
He must be still out.
-
Every parent just has
-
that sad laugh.
-
We all know
-
what that feeling is.
-
And then God reminded me
-
then going,
-
whew,
-
who taught,
-
you're treating him
-
like your project.
-
You're treating him
-
like he's yours.
-
He's not.
-
He's mine.
-
Shepherd of the flock
-
of God
-
that is among you
-
and cast all your anxieties
-
onto him.
-
What about you?
-
If humility
-
is the key trait
-
of whether you truly
-
understand and grasp
-
what the gospel is,
-
do you have
-
this humility?
-
C.S. Lewis
-
has that quote
-
which is,
-
humility is not thinking
-
any less of yourself.
-
It's simply thinking
-
of yourself less.
-
So you're not so
-
self-centered.
-
My favorite quote
-
of humility
-
is being as close
-
to the truth
-
as possible.
-
C.S. Lewis
-
has another quote
-
which is,
-
the best view
-
of a man
-
is from below.
-
Recently quoted
-
in the Odyssey
-
as well.
-
Because when
-
you look
-
at how someone
-
treats someone
-
who is junior
-
to them,
-
you will see
-
whether they are
-
truly humble
-
or not.
-
Paul talks a lot
-
about this
-
in 1 Corinthians
-
that it's not
-
the wisdom
-
of the world
-
that we need.
-
We need people
-
who are willing
-
to be fools
-
for Christ.
-
Who recognize
-
that any wisdom
-
that we have,
-
any consulting firm
-
that has these
-
great things
-
to teach you
-
about how to live
-
and how to make
-
profits,
-
that is just
-
the wisdom
-
of the world.
-
And that's foolishness
-
when it comes
-
to the wisdom
-
of God.
-
And then be
-
sober-minded.
-
Be watchful.
-
Your adversary,
-
the devil,
-
is prowling
-
like a roaring lion
-
seeking someone
-
to devour.
-
I look at
-
all of us here
-
and I'm like,
-
the moment we leave
-
this sanctuary,
-
we go out,
-
we are bombarded
-
by messages
-
and images
-
that we are not enough.
-
You've got voices
-
in your offices
-
that tell you
-
what you should be doing,
-
the roles you
-
should be pursuing.
-
And what's that?
-
For me,
-
that's just the adversary,
-
the devil,
-
prowling around,
-
seeking someone
-
to devour,
-
someone to just
-
pluck away.
-
But then it says,
-
resist him,
-
firm in your faith.
-
And actually,
-
it's interesting,
-
I looked into this
-
this week
-
and I was praying
-
over this passage,
-
the Bible actually
-
never says,
-
flee from the devil,
-
never run away
-
from the devil.
-
The closest thing
-
is James 4,
-
verse 7,
-
which says,
-
submit yourselves
-
to the Lord
-
and the devil
-
will flee
-
from you.
-
Sorry,
-
submit yourselves
-
to the Lord
-
and resist the devil
-
and he will flee
-
from you.
-
This imagery
-
that the devil
-
is a prowling,
-
roaring lion,
-
what Paul
-
and Peter
-
do not say
-
is,
-
fight him.
-
Because I don't think
-
there's anyone
-
who can fight
-
and beat a lion.
-
I look around
-
this room,
-
I mean,
-
maybe Gabs
-
and Ken
-
might have a chance
-
at doing it.
-
But it doesn't say,
-
stand up to the lion,
-
fight him.
-
It says,
-
resist.
-
It's really interesting.
-
Submit yourself
-
to the Lord,
-
resist the devil
-
and the devil
-
will flee from you.
-
So actually,
-
this lion
-
that's prowling around,
-
whilst it looks scary,
-
doesn't actually
-
have any power over us.
-
Isn't that interesting?
-
This prowling lion
-
doesn't have
-
any power over us.
-
Psalm 23,
-
4,
-
even though I walk
-
through the valley
-
of the shadow
-
of death,
-
it's not even real.
-
It's a shadow
-
of death.
-
Imagine if we lived
-
in such a way
-
where that lion
-
cannot touch us
-
and all we need to do
-
is resist
-
and stand firm
-
in the faith.
-
And knowing
-
that the same kinds
-
of suffering
-
are being experienced
-
by your brotherhood
-
throughout the world,
-
that what you're going
-
through right now,
-
you are not alone.
-
That's one of the
-
enemy's lies as well.
-
That everything
-
that you're going through,
-
whether it's with
-
your relationship
-
that you have,
-
at work,
-
at studies,
-
whatever it is,
-
and the temptations
-
that you're facing,
-
you're not alone.
-
It's being experienced
-
while you're
-
brotherhood all
-
around the world.
-
You are not alone.
-
I think that's another
-
reason why we gather,
-
to remind ourselves
-
that we are not alone.
-
And after you have
-
suffered a little while,
-
so just nonchalant,
-
so casual,
-
okay,
-
you're going to suffer,
-
but you're going to
-
suffer a little while,
-
but you're going
-
to be okay.
-
It's 2 Corinthians 4,
-
17.
-
It says,
-
do not lose heart.
-
Though your outer
-
cells are dying,
-
wasting away day by day,
-
your inner cells
-
are being renewed.
-
And these light
-
momentary afflictions,
-
light,
-
feather-like,
-
momentary afflictions
-
are nothing when
-
compared to the
-
eternal weight of glory
-
that awaits you.
-
There's going to be,
-
there is suffering,
-
but it's going to be
-
only a little while
-
when compared to the
-
glory that is going
-
to be revealed
-
when the chief shepherd
-
comes back.
-
Hang on.
-
If you are suffering,
-
you are in the
-
right place.
-
More importantly,
-
God is with you.
-
And after you have
-
suffered a little while,
-
the God of all grace
-
who has called you
-
to his eternal glory
-
in Christ,
-
he himself will be
-
the one that restores
-
you,
-
confirms you,
-
strengthens you,
-
and establishes you.
-
Not the shepherd,
-
not the ordained
-
pastor,
-
he himself
-
will do it.
-
He will restore you.
-
Whatever's broken,
-
whatever's fractured
-
in your life,
-
in your heart,
-
he will be the one
-
that restores it.
-
And then when it says
-
confirm and strengthen,
-
he's going to be the one
-
that stops you
-
from collapsing on yourself.
-
He's going to be the one
-
that stops you
-
from toppling over
-
in this life.
-
And he is the one
-
that's going to establish you
-
and root you in the ground
-
so that you won't fall away.
-
He himself.
-
The lion can do nothing.
-
The pastor that you have
-
is simply an under-shepherd
-
Called just to exercise oversight
-
and be an example to you,
-
to care for you.
-
But you can take encouragement
-
that the chief shepherd
-
is coming back
-
and all you will have to do
-
is suffer a little while
-
and then he will call you
-
to his eternal glory.
-
Of course,
-
when we think about the shepherd,
-
when we think about Psalm 23,
-
we're only really thinking
-
about one person.
-
Jesus.
-
The shepherd who,
-
if we have him,
-
we will lack nothing.
-
We will have no wants.
-
Jesus is the one
-
who leads us
-
to the green pastures
-
where we will be fed
-
with the truth of God,
-
the bread of life.
-
He is the one
-
who leads us
-
beside still waters
-
where he will grant us peace,
-
this peace that this world
-
cannot give.
-
He was the one
-
who will lead us
-
on the path
-
of righteousness,
-
the right path
-
for us,
-
for his namesake.
-
It will be for him.
-
And sometimes that path
-
will lead you
-
to the valley
-
of the shadow of death.
-
But even when you're there
-
and you're surrounded
-
by shadows
-
and you're surrounded
-
by roaring lions,
-
you will not fear
-
because his rod
-
and his staff
-
is the one that guides
-
and comforts.
-
In fact,
-
your greatest fear,
-
whatever your greatest fear is,
-
he invites you
-
to come and sit
-
at the table
-
with that fear
-
because he's prepared it there.
-
He's not even afraid.
-
He's chilled.
-
He's sat down.
-
And when he anoints you,
-
your cup overflows.
-
And all this while,
-
while you've been a sheep,
-
trying to cling on
-
to the shepherd,
-
trying to pursue him,
-
thinking that the Christian life
-
is hard,
-
guess what?
-
Surely his goodness
-
and mercy
-
will follow you
-
all the days
-
of your life.
-
It's not been you
-
chasing after him.
-
It's been him chasing
-
after you all along.
-
That is the true shepherd.
-
That is the chief shepherd
-
who laid his life down
-
for us
-
and humbled himself
-
to the point of death,
-
even death
-
on the cross.
-
He who gave us
-
his crowns,
-
he gave us his robe
-
so that we would have life.
-
That should humble us
-
to the core
-
and anxiety should flee.
-
We're going to take
-
communion later,
-
but before that,
-
I'm going to invite
-
a friend up.
-
I said I've been trying
-
to do this a little bit more.
-
We won't do this every week,
-
but when it comes
-
to shepherding,
-
it'll be of great comfort
-
and consolation to you
-
that I am not the only one
-
who is shepherding
-
this flock here.
-
We have a group
-
of leaders
-
that we all met last night,
-
but then there's
-
a smaller group
-
called the lead team
-
that has been here
-
from pretty close
-
to the beginning.
-
I'm going to invite
-
a dear friend up,
-
Alex Lee.
-
We're going to have
-
a little chat
-
and hopefully he'll tell
-
you some stuff
-
that maybe I have
-
no way of telling you
-
either.
-
Can we give you
-
a round of applause?
-
Hey, Alex.
-
Let's take a seat
-
so you don't look as tall.
-
Thank you.
-
Tell us about yourself.
-
About myself?
-
Well, my name is Alex.
-
Alex.
-
I grew up in the States.
-
I'm sorry.
-
The son of two immigrants
-
who left Taiwan
-
to raise me in the States
-
with nothing
-
and so I spent most
-
of my life in the States
-
before coming here
-
to Hong Kong.
-
now married to my wife,
-
Cara.
-
Congratulations.
-
Thank you.
-
And I moved here
-
at the very start of COVID
-
to marry Cara
-
to start my new job
-
in the global
-
telecommunications industry
-
and then fast forward
-
kind of six and a half
-
years later
-
and meeting yourself
-
and just many people
-
in this body.
-
Just grateful
-
to be seated here now
-
and of course
-
we had our two young daughters
-
as well who were upstairs
-
and here we are.
-
And did you go
-
to the same college
-
as Hank?
-
Is that...
-
We did.
-
Wow.
-
Not at the same time.
-
100 years apart
-
or something like that.
-
Roughly speaking.
-
And of course
-
you're here to leaders
-
and servers as well
-
and you're always
-
encouraging to me
-
and I share this passage
-
with you
-
at the beginning
-
of the week
-
and you've been
-
ruminating over it
-
and praying over it.
-
What's come to mind
-
for you that you think
-
is good to bring up
-
here today?
-
I think the first thing
-
I mean before even
-
like speaking about
-
this specific passage
-
is I think my main
-
takeaway and kind of
-
well honestly
-
meditating over this
-
not just this week
-
but as a lead team
-
we went through this
-
I can't remember
-
maybe three six months
-
ago now
-
and the very kind of
-
obvious takeaways
-
for all of us
-
is like oh this is
-
this is just a passage
-
about leadership
-
and then we read this
-
again last month
-
and honestly what God
-
was speaking in that
-
moment to me was
-
this is a passage
-
about identity
-
because you read verse
-
one and you see
-
just how in tune
-
Peter is
-
I mean of course
-
I mean you probably
-
have to read the rest
-
of first Peter
-
to kind of understand
-
like the rest of the
-
book is a book about
-
what does it mean to be
-
a Christian?
-
What does it mean to be
-
a disciple of Christ?
-
What does it mean to
-
follow him to endure
-
his sufferings?
-
Like he talks literally
-
just about suffering
-
at the end of chapter
-
four just before this
-
so really this leadership
-
piece is almost kind of
-
just like a small
-
appetizer like in the
-
middle of it
-
but really I think
-
yeah it just kind of
-
weighed on me just how
-
Peter just really wanted
-
the church at this time
-
to understand just how
-
much the glory of Christ
-
weighed on him
-
and our life group
-
talked about kind of
-
like earlier this week
-
what does it
-
what does God's glory
-
even mean?
-
so to just really
-
set in on that
-
and just try to
-
understand Peter
-
and his shoes
-
and he just really
-
intimately knew Christ
-
I mean he's one of
-
the guys that like
-
walked with Jesus
-
and I think that
-
before you do any
-
sort of leading
-
any sort of serving
-
I think that that
-
identity piece is
-
just so key
-
so that was the
-
reflection when we
-
got together about
-
a month ago
-
and then just
-
ruminating over this
-
probably every day
-
this week
-
I think by the time
-
I got to Friday
-
I messaged you
-
I was like okay
-
because you're like
-
hey what should we
-
have a dialogue on
-
and I know your
-
sermon just covered
-
which is impressive
-
you covered literally
-
everything
-
and there's just so
-
many different topics
-
in here
-
but it just came back
-
again to oh let's
-
just have a discussion
-
on leadership
-
but even before
-
doing that
-
I think probably
-
my exhortation
-
and encouragement
-
to this group
-
to this church
-
would probably be
-
that I mean
-
God's word is just
-
it's beautiful right
-
if you haven't opened
-
it in a long time
-
or you feel like
-
you struggle to open
-
it on like a regular
-
basis
-
I would just say
-
I'll just start
-
just start small
-
start somewhere
-
I mean that's literally
-
what I did for my
-
devotional this week
-
is I just read these
-
11 verses
-
every day in the morning
-
it wasn't
-
don't get me wrong
-
I didn't sit there
-
for like two hours
-
with noise cancelling
-
headphones on
-
just taking this in
-
maybe it was just
-
a couple minutes a day
-
but if that's you
-
I mean I would just
-
encourage you
-
like put away the
-
put away the
-
the barrier
-
which is the
-
Bible 365 plan
-
and the intimidation
-
that comes with that
-
and I can't get
-
started
-
and just pick
-
any passage
-
honestly I would
-
encourage you to
-
pick this passage
-
because it's
-
there's just so much
-
in this passage
-
that I feel like
-
God speaks to
-
different people
-
in different seasons
-
but maybe the last
-
thing I'll add
-
before we continue
-
is I think
-
just the very
-
last thing is
-
we had settled
-
on discussing
-
leadership on
-
Friday
-
and then Saturday
-
morning
-
I hadn't even
-
told you
-
I was like
-
I think verses
-
6 to 11
-
like I'm reading
-
it
-
God's word is good
-
but I'm
-
I don't think
-
I can take away
-
much to like
-
discuss here
-
but then
-
lo and behold
-
I think yesterday
-
morning
-
it was that
-
probably like
-
that last half
-
that was kind of
-
speaking to me more
-
and God was
-
reminding me of
-
I guess just like
-
what suffering
-
looks like in my
-
own life
-
you know
-
certain challenges
-
that I'm facing
-
with like my
-
parents and my
-
mom and just
-
being like
-
reminded to pray
-
over those things
-
and then lo and
-
behold
-
that same morning
-
I bumped into
-
this sister from
-
another church
-
that we serve in
-
prison ministry
-
with
-
and it was
-
just like a
-
total chance
-
encounter at
-
the mall
-
and she was
-
just sharing
-
with me some
-
of her burdens
-
and challenges
-
she was facing
-
and raising
-
her adult son
-
so just the
-
beauty in getting
-
to meditate
-
on this passage
-
to encounter
-
each other
-
and then to
-
pray together
-
that morning
-
just reminds me
-
of like
-
what happens
-
when we really
-
allow ourselves
-
to
-
we really allow
-
the Holy Spirit
-
to minister
-
to ourselves
-
and to lead
-
us as we
-
open God's word
-
so that's
-
probably where
-
I would start
-
before even
-
anything else
-
we go into
-
leadership today
-
and you talk
-
about your
-
journey of
-
leadership
-
whether it's
-
actually your
-
own experience
-
of the leaders
-
that God
-
placed above you
-
and then of
-
course now
-
coming here
-
and growing
-
into leadership
-
role yourself
-
what's some
-
of the reflections
-
that you had
-
that are tied
-
in with this
-
passage
-
yeah I think
-
in terms of
-
maybe like
-
my personal
-
journey with
-
leadership
-
I never
-
choose to be
-
a leader
-
I mean from
-
the I think
-
my earliest
-
memory of being
-
a leader
-
is in the
-
third grade
-
in the US
-
is like
-
when you're
-
eight years
-
old
-
and my mom's
-
like hey
-
you should run
-
for like
-
student government
-
for your class
-
and I was like
-
so the dork
-
I'm not like
-
I wasn't like
-
popular kid
-
it's like
-
dorky Asian kid
-
in the most
-
mostly like
-
western American
-
school right
-
and then somehow
-
I mean obviously
-
my mom's just
-
having like
-
Ivy League dreams
-
of me at like
-
eight years old
-
and no I did not
-
I did not go
-
to Ivy League
-
but at least
-
I made it to
-
the same school
-
as Hank
-
that's my
-
that's my
-
saving grace
-
and so
-
I was kind of
-
lo and behold
-
ended up
-
winning this
-
student election
-
and getting to
-
leave of course
-
I couldn't tell
-
you like
-
anything about it
-
other than the
-
fact that I was
-
coerced into
-
doing it
-
and then all the
-
way to an adult
-
now you know
-
in my work
-
several years ago
-
my boss asked me
-
can you help me
-
can you can I
-
put you in charge
-
of my like
-
organization redesign
-
I was like
-
sure
-
you're definitely
-
asking the wrong
-
person but
-
I'll help
-
anyway
-
and every draft
-
and every iteration
-
I gave him
-
at this time
-
I was an
-
individual contributor
-
and led no team
-
at work
-
every draft
-
I gave him
-
was like
-
yep we should
-
grow this space
-
we should grow
-
Bill's team
-
we should grow
-
Bob's team
-
and you know
-
you should kind of
-
maybe merge like
-
Mike and Matt's
-
teams together
-
and you know
-
there's your design
-
and it just kind of
-
keeps me in my own
-
space
-
and every time
-
he came back
-
he's like
-
actually we should
-
put more of the
-
stuff in your
-
team
-
I was like
-
I don't have a team
-
he's like
-
well you should
-
I was like
-
I would not
-
like to lead a team
-
so no matter
-
the 10-15 drafts
-
I brought back
-
to him
-
every time
-
that didn't
-
include me leading
-
it still came back
-
to him
-
and of course
-
lo and behold
-
I think we know
-
how the story ends
-
I do end up
-
leading
-
so it's not
-
something I
-
often choose
-
but I think
-
you did mention
-
as well as
-
kind of like
-
the leaders
-
and mentors
-
in my life
-
and I think
-
you've mentioned
-
here to everyone
-
many times
-
like we're a product
-
of the kind of
-
five people
-
we surround
-
ourselves with
-
and that's
-
so true
-
for the leaders
-
the shepherds
-
like the elders
-
the mentors
-
in our lives
-
as well
-
and you know
-
I'm just so grateful
-
for just all the
-
different
-
like I just think
-
about all the
-
different leaders
-
I've been able
-
to encounter
-
over the years
-
and how they've
-
poured into me
-
and how they've
-
ministered to me
-
and I think
-
I've had this
-
unique privilege
-
as well
-
in terms of
-
growing up
-
in Texas
-
in the States
-
now being in
-
Hong Kong
-
the thing
-
that connects
-
those two places
-
is they both
-
love pastors
-
they love to put
-
pastors on a pedestal
-
so I think
-
I learned early on
-
just to be discerning
-
about like
-
what does it mean
-
to actually follow
-
good leaders
-
and to understand
-
the heart of a leader
-
not just
-
things they do
-
or their CV
-
but what's like
-
really in their heart
-
and I think
-
I've just been
-
super privileged
-
in terms of
-
every step along
-
the way
-
having kind of
-
those good leaders
-
who have that
-
good heart
-
but then on the
-
flip side of things
-
I think leaders
-
are also a product
-
of the people
-
they lead
-
as well
-
and I think
-
if we think
-
about that
-
that kind of
-
verse two
-
when we talk
-
about shepherding
-
the flock
-
that is among you
-
exercising oversight
-
not under compulsion
-
but willingly
-
not for shameful gain
-
but eagerly as well
-
like I'm just
-
grateful that
-
in this time
-
like in our gathering
-
like I would say
-
like leading
-
and just journey
-
alongside all the people
-
leading alongside
-
the people
-
I've gotten to lead
-
with journey
-
alongside the people
-
and like the different
-
stages of life group
-
like I would say
-
like willingness
-
and eagerness
-
just like defines that
-
which I'm grateful for
-
because that's not
-
common
-
to be honest
-
in many churches
-
and I specifically
-
remember a moment
-
I think
-
we had a leaders meeting
-
at your place
-
I think one time
-
I can't remember why
-
but I remember
-
God's words
-
were just so clear
-
to me in that moment
-
which was like
-
like for whatever reason
-
I was just reflecting
-
on past seasons
-
of not just leadership
-
but just like being
-
in community
-
and God's word
-
was just like
-
oh it just keeps
-
it keeps getting better
-
and that's just
-
genuinely how I feel
-
about this community
-
and just the privilege
-
it is to lead here
-
to learn from so many people
-
and yeah
-
so definitely
-
someone who's just
-
been shaped by
-
both the leaders
-
and the people
-
I've got to lead as well
-
we had a fun conversation
-
well maybe fun's
-
not the right word
-
a challenging conversation
-
as we were leading up to this
-
in terms of actually
-
the things that you
-
disagree with me with
-
how do you keep me humble?
-
other than jokes
-
about buying shoes
-
and calling you out
-
in front of your wife
-
and things of that nature
-
so I think
-
kind of going back
-
to that heart
-
of like I guess
-
I think you've known me
-
for what six years now
-
and I think you know
-
I've never had the
-
kind of like
-
pastor is the
-
the prime person
-
and don't get me wrong
-
because I know
-
there's people in this space
-
and I do want to
-
recognize as well
-
there's people
-
who maybe
-
have been upset
-
or frustrated
-
or even hurt
-
by church leadership
-
or pastors in the past
-
so it is
-
a very difficult job
-
to walk
-
and to
-
well essentially
-
you do a lot of talking
-
but it's a difficult job
-
to walk the talk
-
as well
-
and to
-
quote unquote
-
keep so many people happy
-
even though that's not
-
really meant to be
-
the end goal
-
at the end of the day
-
but I would
-
say in terms of
-
I guess keeping you honest
-
again it's
-
it's probably
-
for me
-
it's I always look
-
at your heart
-
as well
-
when people ask me
-
they're like
-
you know maybe
-
they see pictures online
-
we're hanging out
-
like people back home
-
in the states
-
are like
-
who's the bald guy
-
you've been hanging out
-
with so much
-
I'm like
-
my temptation every time
-
is like
-
oh that's my pastor
-
but actually
-
that's my friend
-
like that's probably
-
the first word
-
I would think of
-
followed by like
-
my brother
-
before I even think
-
about calling you
-
like my pastor
-
to my friends back home
-
so I think
-
just thinking about
-
you know
-
inverse
-
what is it
-
inverse
-
what is this inverse
-
where's our example
-
inverse
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I've lost it now
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first three
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yeah I think
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first and foremost
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I just think about
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the example you lead
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with each and every day
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I see how you lead
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your family
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so I take all those
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things into kind of
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context like
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before we even jump
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into like
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just different church
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decisions
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and even as we do
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that
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I think
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I think you and I
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it's not like we have
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deep disagreements
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but it's
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it's recognizing that
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you know
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I'm willing to say
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like oh this
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maybe I don't
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agree with how
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you want to do something
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but I always know why
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like I always know
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the heart behind it
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I think a cheap
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like a cheap example
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that is
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like you really want
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to get to know
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everyone
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that comes in the door
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and I'm the like
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corporate pragmatist
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that's like
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think about the most
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productive
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efficient way
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to like
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to use your time
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because maybe a lot
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of people that
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walk in the door
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actually maybe not
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maybe don't even
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want to spend time
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or get to know you
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either as well
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so I think it's just
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like in those moments
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I think you have the
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humility to kind of
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receive that feedback
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and I think a lot of
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times you just input
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like you immediately
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change your approach
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you know anytime
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we give you feedback
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whether it's myself
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or Gabe or Joe
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or other leaders as well
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final thing
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just
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what's the prayer
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for all of us here
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as a community
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as we
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either seek to become
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leaders or already
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leaders
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and what are we
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what are we praying for
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I think the probably
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final thing is
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because we've had
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different discussions
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like as a leadership
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team we're like
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oh what's the mark
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of a leader
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and I think
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every time
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it just comes back
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to
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we start to go
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through like
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this proverbial list
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and every time
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it's really like
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these are really
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just the marks
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of a disciple
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just like someone
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who follows Jesus
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it has nothing
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to do with
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the kind of position
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they're in
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or the
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particular
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responsibilities
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they have
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it's just like
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you know
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people who follow
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Christ will live
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sacrificially for others
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they'll love others
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well
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they will minister
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to people
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like whether
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or not you believe
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you'll fit the
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description of a shepherd
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I think you kind of
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touched on it earlier
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I think honestly
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like I know
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there's different
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giftings
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there's different ways
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in how people
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love to minister
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as well
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but honestly
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I think everyone
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does have this kind
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of gift of shepherding
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in some regard
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whether it's
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I mean it could just
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be your like
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you know
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your spouse
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your kids
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you know
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I know there's
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Christina mentioned
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there's just so many
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people who are just
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like introverts
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you know
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it's I don't feel
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like I can go
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out of my way
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but it's like
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who is
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who's already
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in your way
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you know
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who are the people
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that God has
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clearly entrusted
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in your care
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how do you go
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deep with them
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how do you
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humble yourself
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before them
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how do you
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recognize the anxiety
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that they carry
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how do you
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journey alongside
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with them
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and that
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so that's probably
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the encouragement
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I leave everyone
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with is
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this passage
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is really a call
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to discipleship
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is a call
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to follow Christ
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and you know
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as we do those
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things
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would we just
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open ourselves
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to Holy Spirit
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to lead us
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in terms of
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our shepherding
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thank you very much
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for your time
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thanks
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thank you
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give him a round of applause
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I think
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not everyone
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is called
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to be a shepherd
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but I think
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everyone has been
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called to make
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disciples
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right
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and what does
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that look like
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for you
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what does it look
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like for me
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it is different
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there are
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I'll quickly
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reel off some
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of the needs
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that we have
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we need a welcome
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team
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we need someone
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to help
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actually help
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newcomers feel welcome
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and actually
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if you've been
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part of this church
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for maybe
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three months
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and you remember
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what it's like
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to come into
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a sea
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of people
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that you're just
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completely unfamiliar
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with and you're
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freaking out over
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that maybe you
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are perfectly
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qualified now
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to become
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one of the
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welcome team
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members
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to help
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we need help
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with youth
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we need help
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with youth
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stepping into
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the lives
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of even younger
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people
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just constantly
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for me
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it's just
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can generations
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just keep
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pouring into
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the next generation
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so we need
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people who are
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willing to do that
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we need people
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who are willing
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to teach the kids
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upstairs
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people who are
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willing to serve
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in the worship team
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and AV
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and there are so
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many different
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opportunities
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all of it
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is really that
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mission statement
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second point
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that can we just
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come and use
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the gifts
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that we've been
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given
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but all of it
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comes back to
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just the one
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thing
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there's one metric
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that I measure
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my own heart
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with and I hope
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that you would
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measure yours
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with
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it's just
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would we
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humble ourselves
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under the mighty
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hand of God
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and cast our
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anxieties
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onto him
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he who himself
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had the crown
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had the robe
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but emptied himself
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who took the form
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of a servant
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becoming just like us
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humbled himself
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to the point
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of death
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even death
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on the cross
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and now we
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finish by
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looking to
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this chief shepherd
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and some of the
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last words that he
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said to us
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which was
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over communion
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and so we're
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going to have a time
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now where
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we'll have the
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elements that are
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passed around
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if you are
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a follower of
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Christ
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and you've been
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baptized
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into this community
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then we welcome you
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to take this with us
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if you don't understand
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what it is
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that is completely
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okay
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just simply
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just pass it along
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and it's only
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going to be a few
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minutes
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and then we'll be
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wrapping the service
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up afterwards
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so can I just
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invite you to
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just close your eyes
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and bow your heads
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so
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just turn your eyes
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to the Lord