Angela Stackhouse: Unveiling Stories-The Heart of HeavenEarth Church | Ep. 003

What would it look like to start a community that was really,

it's for the people like Jesus would be for? Welcome to Heaven Earth

Church. I'm Ross Stackhouse, the founding pastor of Heaven Earth

Church. From the start, our heart has been to be a church for

people who don't fit neatly into church. We want to meet people

where they are and know their stories. Because in every story,

there is God's story. And this podcast is just about that. It's

about inviting you into the stories of the people of Heaven Earth

Church. So let's turn to the story.

Hello, good people. Welcome to the Heaven Earth Church podcast.

My name is Brad Miller and I'm the producer and one of the hosts

of the podcast. And today we have as our special guest. Her name

is Angela Stackhouse. And we welcome you to the Heaven Earth Church

podcast. Angela, tell us a little bit about you. Tell us, first

of all, where do you come from? What's hometown for you?

Hometown's Shelby County. I grew up in Fairland and went to Fairland,

a small rural school where Ross, my husband, also went. So.

Yeah. And my family still lives there mostly, and now we're

of course in Greenwood, so still pretty close.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So did you meet Ross in high school then?

I did. I actually met him in middle school. Middle school, yeah.

Kind of grew up together.

Wow. He's a grade behind me, so we weren't interacting all the

time. But when we got into high school, he was in advanced math

and I was just in regular math, so we ended up lining up there.

So we spent a little more time together then.

Well, awesome. And then. So did you ended up getting married,

I don't know, Shortly after high school. I don't really know.

Help me out.

Yeah, no, we actually. Let's see. So we started dating in high

school and I was a senior and he was a junior, and then I went

off to IU for one year, which a lot of couples do. Kind of had

a lot of breakups throughout college. The year, let's see, it

would be 2010. So two years after I graduated from college, we

got married. So we had a pretty long time together. And then

sometimes not together, but mostly together.

And we should, you know, I get that, of course, but I get. And what

we want to say at this point and be a part of our conversation

is that Ross Stackhouse is the pastor of Heaven Earth Church. You

were just a part of the ongoing mission and ministry here,

but let's learn a little bit more about you, particularly kind

of some of the formative things that happened in your life,

either growing up or in your family that you grew up with, school

or whatever. What were some of the things that were. Kind of helped

shape the person that you are?

That's a good question. One that I don't probably reflect on

terribly much. I grew up in. I guess what you would consider, at

least my immediate family was a nuclear family. Both my parents

are still married today. I had a younger sister that was from that

marriage. But then I also had two older siblings, an older brother

and an older sister from my mom's first marriage. So we had kind

of that dynamic where they would kind of be living with us sometimes

and then living with their dad sometimes. Grew up in the country,

actually. I started out in Carmel, and I went to school there

first till first grade, and then I went to. We moved to Fairland.

That was quite the transition, moving out to the country. And one

that really. I loved living in the country. I would say probably

one of the biggest influences. My parents were both small business

owners, so my mom had a diner and my dad had a hardware store.

Okay.

And that was kind of. It led to kind of a charm childhood where

I got, you know, go to these businesses and work and then eventually

actually really work, flavor of small.

Business, entrepreneurship, that type of thing.

And got to spend a lot of time with my parents, which was nice.

And my other family, my dad's father helped. My grandpa helped

him. They owned the store together. So I got to spend a lot

of time with my grandparents. Another thing that was definitely

formative is that both my older siblings struggled. Have struggled

with addiction their entire lives. Heroin addiction, specifically.

So I got to see as a child growing up, kind of how that was

impacting their lives for the negative. And it definitely kind

of put me on the straight and narrow. I didn't want to do any,

you know, anything that. That they were doing at the time. And

then also my sister had four. Has had four children. My parents

have raised. So starting when I was 12 years old, Eli was my sister

became pregnant when I was 12 years old. And then Eli was born

when I was 13. So I really have basically four younger siblings.

Even younger than my sister Maria. Yeah. And that was definitely.

I mean, that's been a huge impact in my life.

Well, that's really a part of informing the person.

Yep. And their addiction has too. I mean, it's an awareness I

have.

So let's talk a little bit about your life of faith. You know,

you're in a part of a faith institution here, Heaven, Earth,

Church, now, but people come to be a part of a church for lots

of reasons. And obviously your husband's the pastor here. That's

one reason. I know we'll get into some of that, but yeah, let's

talk about your faith story, about how you came to faith in the

first place and how that's kind of been a part of forming your

life, part of your faith story.

So after we moved from Carmel back to Shelby county, my mom's from

Shelbyville originally, so I think she felt a little more called

to get us what she considers back into the church. We started

going to the church when I was probably 11, 12, 13ish that she went

to as a child, which was First Baptist in Shelbyville, which is

part of the American Baptist Church. There are a lot of different

Baptists, and they have. I know growing up, I didn't realize

that there were all of these different flavors of Baptist, but

American Baptists have. For instance, they'll have, like, women

preachers, which is different than some Baptist religions. I was.

I think it's a little bit more like. Like, I was allowed to do certain

things that I know some of my other Baptist friends weren't. Like,

I could read Harry Potter, for instance, just to give people kind

of an idea of what it was like as far as kind of the flavor of what

you would hear on a Sunday. There was definitely more fire and

brimstone than what I would hear Ross talking about. Now, there

were some things that I think happened in the church that harmed

other people. I don't feel harmed by them, but I was part of

the. The era that grew up in purity culture, which was a big deal.

I went to church camp a lot, and that was like, one of the themes

one year for the entire church camp was like, true love waits. I

kind of grew up in that era, but I'm a really big rule follower.

So I actually liked having.

She liked it.

I liked having this from the security.

Culture type of thing. It gave you a real kind of rigid set of parameters

to live within, right?

Yep. And the church kind of as a whole, did, too. I felt like some

of the stuff that I realize now is probably dogma, it might not

have come straight from Jesus's lips or even some of the

stuff that we see in acts. It, I think, for me, and I know many

people have a very different experience, it helped me because

I was prone to wanting to follow the rules. So it helped me

kind of create a framework for my life.

Yeah.

So.

So how did that upbringing there kind of evolve or Influence

you as you and Ross started your life together. And where kind

of where you at now? How has your faith journey evolved?

It's evolved a lot the older I get, and I think a lot of people

probably have the same experience. I realize that the world

is not black and white, that there is so much nuance to the world.

And that a black and white framework, while it might have worked

for my younger life, and it really even works a lot for my life

now. I mean, I'm still a rule follower. I work in compliance. That's

what I do. I realize that it doesn't always work when you're applying

it to the greater world. I've definitely had some faith crises

along the way where it didn't seem like things really, you couldn't

reconcile them with a black and white framework. And so that

was difficult at times. And I also had. There was a lot of evolution

where for me, I realized growing up, the discussion, a lot

of the discussion was about how to get into heaven. And that

was really foundational to my faith. How the choices you need to

make to get into heaven. I definitely had a faith crisis when

I realized that it meant if certain people are getting into heaven,

that means certain people are going to hell. And I looked around

me and there were so many people in my life that weren't following

that strict, like a plus B equals C guideline for how to get

into heaven, but they were really, really good people and like,

pillars of my life.

So you had some dilemmas that you were dealing with?

Yes.

Kind of based on your faith teaching compared to your life experience,

Right?

Yeah. And that. That was troubling to me. I think it probably

led to me to that becoming. Not just. It wasn't just that realization.

If there were certain people in my life that were going to hell,

then that wasn't. I wasn't gonna be able to continue in that

mindset. And I know for a lot of people that that still is kind

of their.

Did you come to any kind of resolution or place of understanding

where you. That you're at now? So take us there.

I think so too, or I think I have. I think. And Ross was very

aligned with me too, by the way. We had a very similar. I mean,

we both grew up in a rural area that kind of had a similar kind

of feel, even though he went to a Methodist church and I went

to a Baptist church. Eventually. When you look at the

Bible, I think in its totality, you realize that it's actually

that the question is not actually how to get to heaven. The

prevailing question that it's actually a lot more about relationship

with God. That has helped me a lot. I'm not focusing so much on

where everybody is going. I'm focusing more on how do we live out

our relationship with God in relationship with others. And that's

been really helpful to me in my faith.

So it's gone from kind of a little bit of dogmatic to more relational.

How relate to Jesus and to others and how they're all integrated

together.

Yes.

Your life of faith is being lived out. You are a part of the

Heaven Earth Church, and we're here on the Heaven Earth. Tell us

about how you end up getting connected to Heaven Earth Church

in the first place and kind of what are you involved with now?

Yeah, it started out with kind of a funny story, actually. I told

Ross before he became a pastor that I was adamant with not going

to be a pastor's wife, which, of course is a ridiculous thing to

say, probably. But again, I grew up in a Baptist church where

I felt like there was a prototype or a stereotype for what

a pastor's wife did. And I didn't feel like I fit that stereotype.

Just taking a slight aside, give me a couple nuggets of what

was burnt in your brain about that.

Like, they led children's church all the time. A lot of them

didn't work, which is totally fine. It's just that I knew I wanted

to work in my life. They played the piano. I don't know how

to play the piano. They always sang on Sunday. Yeah.

So those are some of the things stereotypical. I just wondered

if your experience was similar. Let's go back to your. How

you got connected with heaven or church. And where we left it at

was you told Ross, I don't want to be a preacher's wife in the

kind of traditional sense. So what has that evolved to you now

and kind of. How did you get started here?

Yeah, and the reason I told him that is because he was in theology.

He was in a theology program, and he wanted to be a professor.

Well, he got rejected from all of his doctoral programs. His sister

sent him a job interview or not a job, a job description for

opening at a church in Carmel. And I was like, I don't want to be

a pastor's wife. He went ahead and applied despite me. He was really

good at preaching. He'd never preached before. He'd never done

anything like that before. And they did, like a practice sermon

with him. And I went to it and I was like, okay, I think I might

have to be a pastor's wife. He became a pastor in the Methodist

Church, which is kind of leading to Heaven Earth Church. He

was at that Carmel church. He was there for, like, six years. Thankfully,

the stereotypes that I had in my mind about being a pastor's wife

were not really stereotypes that I saw an action there. So I

didn't. It ended up being fine, like, a lot of things I worry

about. And then it came time to. Within the Methodist Church,

they move people around. Pastors get moved around to different

churches. And it came time for him to move to somewhere else. And

to make a long story short, he ended up leading the charge of a

church plant. Brad, you probably know more about it than

I do in that, like, the different technical terms, but a

church plant in Johnson County. That's how Heaven Earth Church

originated. And it was a house church at first. We were meeting

in our house every week. It's always had a recovery church component.

So there was also a recovery church meeting going on. But, yeah,

it's really grown from there. I can't remember exactly the details

about how we ended up in this building, but even that was really

felt very ordained.

What was your initial feelings in that first year or so about the

church? Were you kind of thinking, okay, this is a little

wobbly. This is something cool going on here? What were some of

your emotions? Because it's not only about starting a church.

There's family life, there's marital life, there's transitioning

to new community, things of that nature. And really, with a new

church plant, you do not have a community that's supportive of

you.

Initially, I will tell you that I really struggled with the

idea that our family would be uprooted every so many years because

of Ross's calling. I struggled because I struggled as a woman, because

I had a job that I liked, and I didn't want to be uprooted and

moved around away from my job. And I didn't want my kids to be uprooted.

So honestly, knowing that we were going somewhere close in proximity

to where we were before, which was in Shelby County, I was actually

very grateful that we were going to be trying to do this. I

remember making a joke that I was going to lay in front of cars

to get them to come to our church because I wanted it to work,

because I want to be close to my family. I don't want to move to

Fort Wayne or something.

Any new adventure is a little bit dicey, if that's right.

Exactly. So I felt good about it. Knowing that we would still have

at least our family within an hour of us, you know, and still be

able to see them and participate in family stuff. And

with a church plant, if it goes well, then it usually lasts

a little longer. And you're not uprooted every, you know, five

years. So I was also excited about that prospect, although it

is scary because it's a parachute drop, and oftentimes those

don't work.

Tell me about a time in that era of forming the church and getting

involved with the community and things that you have chosen to

be involved with in the life of the church where you kind of had

a. An aha moment. Okay, this might work. And this is kind of cool.

You have a moment like that kind of. That.

I remember during COVID we had. I can't remember if it was the

beginning of COVID or if it was toward the end of COVID where

we decided we would meet outside. I guess it must have been

further along because I don't think people were meeting at all.

But we decided to have an outdoor meeting and, like, outdoor

church service. And I just looked around and I couldn't believe

I looked at all these different people that we didn't know,

you know, like, two or three years earlier. And it was just. It

was very inspiring to see all of these people that somehow had

made their way to our church that we had not even known. Like,

there was no relationship, and now there's a relationship. And it

was very organic, too. And so that was really. That felt really

neat. And we've had a couple services, like the Christmas service,

which a lot of people tend to. You know, your whole church ends

up kind of coming to that, and you see everybody in one place, which

sometimes you don't do. And those moments have been really. It's

not all about the numbers, but there is certainly something about

seeing everybody together.

It's kind of the validity that comes with seeing a group of people

there. Every end endeavor has its times of challenge and of stress

and crisis. So if you don't mind, tell me. Tell us about a kind

of a lump in the throat moment that you've had in the life of the

church that you're kind of like, okay, I.

Know exactly what it is for me. So there was a time, and it was

shortly after Iva was born. I think it put us again in the middle

of COVID So I was already feeling probably isolated, and we

had started meeting in the church. Church service in the church,

you know, as opposed to, like, meeting outside during COVID and

stuff. So it must have been pretty far on. We didn't have a lot

of kids coming at that time. I was really the only one with kids.

I found myself coming to church with my children. Ross would

have already left in the morning. I found myself getting the

kids ready to go to church, to take my children to the back, to

watch my own children, to not even be around anybody, and then

to come back home. And I found that to be very. It was difficult

for me. I don't. I'm not a person who likes to be told what

to do anyway. And sometimes a pastor's wife can feel so pressured

to do something, even though nobody's telling her to do it.

Goes a little bit to the stereotype. You had children's ministry,

and.

And the line gets blurred where you're saying, is this my decision,

or am I compelled to do this, even though nobody's said it? And

that was difficult for me. And I was going to a counselor at that

time, and I talked to her about it, and it eventually got to

the point where I told Ross, I'm not coming anymore. I'm gonna

stay at home. I'm gonna watch the service at home while the kids

play in the comfort of our own house where I can actually hear what's

happening. And until we get, like, a better structure in place,

that's what it's gonna be. And I felt. I've told you before, I'm

a rule follower.

Yeah.

So that was very difficult.

So that really went as good as great. You personally, and I'm sure

it had its challenges, family wise, marital wise, all that stuff.

It was hurtful to Ross, which I don't blame him. But it was one

of those moments that I had to be, like, authentic to myself.

You had assert yourself to be. Because I sensed that there was.

This was a moment when you kind of felt something kind of slipping

away, some sense of. Of this was just not working here.

I felt my autonomy slipping away. Like, I. I didn't have control

over that decision. And it was a decision. It felt like it was harmful

to me at the time. Not that Ross was actively doing that. I want

to be very clear. Ross wasn't harming me. It was just the position.

It was the circumstances.

Circumstances were happening that were as they were. But let's

talk about a moment, a cool, high, holy moment, when you just

kind of knew that this isn't just kind of a deal where this organizationally

is going to work, but this is a God thing. This is a holy thing.

This is something bigger than myself. And bigger than a lot of

things. Have you had a moment like that?

I think it was our very first harvest gathering that we had, which

is something that we have come to do now. Every year it's another

time in the church. You know, I've mentioned that we have. I don't

know that I mentioned that we still have house churches going,

but we also have our recovery church. I have mentioned that. And

then we have our normal Sunday gathering. There are a lot of different

people that oftentimes don't come together at once. And we had

a harvest gathering where everybody did come together at once.

And it wasn't for the church service. It was to just be in community

together and to see each other. It was a moment where we were

all eating together. I felt like we were doing. Even though it's,

you know, a modern flair with cell phones around and stuff, it

felt like we were doing something holy and connecting to

something that people have done forever. Like commune together,

eat together, and just celebrate together.

Kind of a connection kind of with something that's a little bit

traditional, a little bit historical, but in the context of

a new church plant.

Yeah. So that was special.

That was a God thing, right?

It totally was, yeah.

If you were not married to the pastor, do you think this is the

type of church that if you lived in this community, you moved

here for whatever reason, Is this the type of church you might

want to either be attracted to or seek out? What is it about this

place that you might be attracted to in that regard?

I definitely think it would. Although it is hard to. Ross and

I have grown. I mean, we got together as children and we've been

so influential on each other in the past that we've taken. It's

hard to imagine what type of person I would be without him. But

I can only answer with a present mind. Yes, it's definitely

a church I would want to come to. I love how we have a very diverse

group of people. Maybe not racial diversity, but socioeconomic

diversity. We have the diversity that you see with people

who are in addiction or recovering from addiction versus

people who aren't. That's a big, you know, a big difference.

We have a lot of political diversity. I really value that in

my life and in my children's lives. I don't want them to be part

of. Even though the experience that I had in my First Baptist Church

was a positive experience, it was very one dimensional in a way.

Like I wasn't exposed to a lot of people and that wasn't First Baptist's

fault. I mean, it was, you know, just a little town church and

that's just the people that come there. But I'm thankful that

we've created a space where we do attract a of different kinds of

people. I think because there are so many different people on so

many different journeys. My hope is that people would feel welcomed

no matter where they are.

Given your interaction you have with people in the church, because

the point of entry for many people is through the pastor Ross,

and then you're right there as well. What do you think would keep

you here? But what you hear people talk about why they stay a

part of Heaven Earth Church.

I mean, I hesitate to say this because it's one of the things Ross

and I always talk about should not be the premier thing. But Ross

is a very gifted teacher. I think he's been given a lot of gifts

and I know for sure that's one of the reasons people stay is because

when they hear him preach, I think it feels very meaningful to

them and to their lives. But there's a lot outside of teaching

and preaching in a church, and a church should be a much more vibrant

offering than that. The fact that we're small is a big draw to

me. I'm not a big person who likes the great big church where

you feel like you're kind of just going to check a box sometimes.

And I mean, any church can really be that. Like you're going

to check a box. But I feel like we're hopefully building the

opposite of that. Like you really can feel connection and you

can feel like convicted without being judged. And I think

that's a difficult balance sometimes.

I see connected and convicted, but without being judged. I think

that's an interesting way of putting it. And so I think that's

kind of the struggle a lot of people have. They do not want to

feel guilt driven, but they want to feel responsible. They want

to feel kind of a connected to something greater themselves that

they can invest in that is something that would be make a. Make

a difference. Because I believe people really, many, many

people really want to make a difference and they're transformed

by that. So I'd like you to tell me a story, if you will, Angela,

about a person or situation here in the life of the church where

you really seen something happen that changed either a person's

life change or a situation change where life change took place.

I mean, there have been people that came initially. I mean, they

were some of our very first church attendees that are still here.

There are some that are no longer necessarily Attending our

recover church. But Ross is still connected with them through

other organizations, and their lives and their testaments are very

compelling, especially to other people who are trying to obtain

sobriety.

Mission statement of the church that is displayed quite prominently

is we exist to make a lasting impact in our community. Yeah, tell

me about that. What does that statement mean to you?

Well, it makes. I mean, we were talking this morning during

church, and Ross was recounting a story that really made

me think about how when you're connected to the vine, and I think

that's kind of church speak, but when you're connected to Jesus,

that you can't help but flourish. And this is not prosperity

gospel. You can't help but feel like your cup can overflow.

And that cup. I had this image in my head today of one person's

cup overflowing to flow into other people's cups. I think our

church tries to embody that. We make connections throughout the

neighborhood, throughout the neighborhood, throughout the community,

with a lot of different organizations that are already doing

really important work. We've also. Ross and team have also created

the Heaven Earth Spaces organization that is trying to make

not only housing, but places for nonprofits, physical places for

nonprofits to use. And so downstairs in the basement, we have

resources of hope. That's one example they offer. They're basically

a store for foster parents and foster families help get resourced

for their foster journey. And then the house that the church owns

is also now part of Heaven Earth Spaces. The church does not

own it. Heaven Earth Spaces owns it. Heaven Earth Spaces owns

it. And it has a family that lives there now that gets reduced

rent. And we're trying to expand that. Heaven Earth Spaces

is trying to expand that. So that's like a very real example of

that.

So you see that impact. I guess what I'm getting at is that

statement is a real thing. It's not just a trite thing to put

on the wall somewhere, right?

Yeah. No, I think it's one of. I mean, it is. It's certainly something

that is. You can see it in the lifeblood of the church.

One of the things that's said about Heaven Earth Church in one

line is if you feel you don't fit in church, you fit here. Is that

true?

Or for people who don't fit neatly into church, is that true?

And how do you see that lived out?

I think it is true. I know for certain that there are many people

who have felt harmed by some of the institutional churches that

they encountered as children that have found a safe place to exist

here and try to grow their relationship with God. I have always

felt like I fit in a church, so I'm not a person that can personally

attest to it. But Ross has also felt like he doesn't fit neatly

into church, and I would agree with that. And so I think he's tried

to build that and the people around him have tried to build that

here. I think it has worked. I don't think that we get very caught

up. I mean, we are a United Methodist church, but you're not

gonna hear us talking about it that often. You're not gonna hear

us talking about a lot of institutional stuff or even using

a lot of churchy words because we don't wanna alienate people who

might not, you know, have that insider speak. I think that there

are a lot of small intentional decisions made fits here.

And they're doing okay.

There are, yeah. Oh, yeah, definitely.

Let me just ask you if there's somebody who came to in your life

outside of the church, meaning a co worker. You know, your kids

are involved with athletics and other things, that kind of stuff.

If you're talking one of the other moms and there's somebody that

came to you and said, okay, I just got some issue in my life. It

might be job related or marital or, you know, health or whatever.

They got some issues in their life. Do you think you'd be comfortable

inviting them to be a part of Heaven Earth Church as a part of

responding to their need?

Yeah, I definitely would. I think we have something. I think

what we have here is something very special and different than what

a lot of people perceive church to be. It has a very vulnerable

community that comes along with it. And I think that's one of

the most powerful tools in the face of really any kind of adversity

is vulnerability. And I think that people would benefit from that.

We joke a lot because one of our biggest evangelists for this

church is actually an atheist. It's a woman in Franklin who has

sent like five people to us. It's just really funny to me that

she's constantly sending people to our church because of what

she has seen, even though she's atheist.

Yeah, isn't that cool? Tell us a little bit about one cool thing.

Tell us the names of your kids and then something cool about each

of them.

Okay, so I have Boaz, who's 8, Iva, who's 5, and Juniper, who is

a year, almost a year and a half. Boaz is the typical oldest

child. He's a rule follower. Like his Mommy. And he has a heart

of gold. His teacher said that he is a friend to everyone. That

was one of her main pieces of feedback she gave us in our parent

teacher conference. Iva is like a ray of sunshine. She is on

the go all the time and wanting to do some sort of activity

all the time. I mean, making things out of materials you wouldn't

even think could really amount to anything. That's her superpower.

And then Juniper, who's the caboose? We're not having any more,

if I have anything to say about it. And I never say never anymore,

because Ross became a pastor like you said. So I don't want to

tempt fate here, but most likely, she will be the last child

of ours. She has really just been. It's been such a joy. She is

so funny and just so cute, and it just tickles us every day getting

to watch her. I mean, all four of us, because the kids are older.

She was born when I was four and a half, so we just all. She's

like the little princess that we just do whatever she wants, basically.

She's awesome. And I still don't know how you get that top knot

thing working on her hair there. And here you are, you're raising

a family. You're planting the church. You're doing all the things

here. Tell us about Ross. Tell us whatever you want to tell us about

Ross. Good, bad, ugly, anything but any.

So I remember when I was in high school before, I had really

had serious relationships, because I wasn't really that kind

of person that had a lot of serious relationships and. Or any

kind of relationship, just to make that clear. I was very independent.

That's a better way of putting it. I didn't really need anybody

else. I remember telling myself that I wanted to find somebody

that was genuinely a kind person. Like, that was kind of like

the number one attribute that I wanted in a partner. And Ross is

one of the most genuinely kind, empathetic people that I have

ever been around. I mean, he has people. You know, we all have

people in our lives who have, like, done something to us and, you

know, that you feel victimized by. I feel more victimized on his

behalf than he ever does on his own behalf. He just gives people

so much grace. Amir. I mean, it's truly, really wonderful to watch.

Well, just one last thing, and that is just. Is there anything.

Just any word of encouragement or anything else you'd like to share

with the Heaven Earth Church?

I mean, if it's the Heaven Earth Church community, we're happy

to have you here. And if it's anybody else who's not part of the

church, just I hope what I've talked about today makes you feel

welcomed and makes you feel like a child of God, because that's

important.

Well, thank you. Our guest today on Heaven Earth Church podcast,

Angela Stackhouse. We thank you for joining us here on this podcast,

which is all about a church that's looking to make a lasting

impact in our community.

Thanks, Brad.

We want to thank you for spending time with us today. My name

is Ross Stackhouse, the pastor to Heaven Earth Church. And you may

think out there that your story is over, but in fact, your

faith story may just be beginning. If you want more information

about our church or you're interested in the next step, you

can go to heavenorthchurch.org Otherwise, we look forward to being

with you next time at the Heaven Earth Church Podcast.