Sunday Conversations: Flourishing In Your True Self and Strengths

Welcome to Heaven Earth Church.

My name is Ross Stackhouse.

I'm the founding pastor of Heaven Earth Church.

From the beginning, our heart was to be a church for people who

don't fit neatly into church.

Our heart is to meet people where they are, to learn their stories,

to honor their stories.

Because in every human story is God's story.

In this podcast, you'll hear more about the people who now call

Heaven Earth Church home.

Their stories, in many cases of misfits who are discovering or

rediscovering faith.

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Otherwise, we invite you now into the story.

Hello, good people.

Brad Miller here, the producer of the Heaven Earth Church podcast.

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Earth Church Pastor Ross Stackhouse with the message, flourishing

in your true self and strengths.

Lord, please shed your light on us.

Wake us up to the gift of your love, a lavish kind of love that

maybe we haven't worked hard to earn, but you give it because

you decided it's something that we can receive and be changed

by and share with others.

So help us to do so.

In the name of Jesus, amen.

Can somebody grab me a bottle of water from the back?

Jamon's coming.

Look at this.

If you want to throw it, you can.

Either way.

Whatever you want, dude.

Yep, It's a good throw, man.

It's one of those things, like where that's 0 for 1 on your stat

sheet, but really it's a drop.

So that's my bad, dude.

So they're going to release me.

It's okay.

So a lot of us think like, so this is us.

Remember the pot?

Anybody else remember this guy?

If you're new to church, you missed it one time.

I had this pot up front.

I'm really giving Heather a hard time today, but I smashed this

pot.

She had a panic attack over it, but so I had this pot and I smashed

it.

Because I talk about how, like, this is what the world does

to us.

Like, we come into the world.

The Apostle Paul says, we are like jars of clay that hold treasure.

So it's Kind of like this.

But if you exist in the world for about five minutes, this world,

that is not as it should be.

It beats the crap out of you.

I hope you're allowed to say crap in church.

I just said it twice.

So anyways.

And the goal of what Jesus comes to do is not to give you a

golden ticket to some paradise with golden streets, if that's what

you've heard Christianity is.

I'm sorry, that's not it.

It's.

And I'm not sorry because it's way, way, way better.

Jesus comes to restore you.

That's what discipleship with him is.

He comes to restore the entire creation.

He says in Revelation, behold, I'm making all things new.

So he comes to restore you this jar of clay so that you hold

treasure.

And just like this, you actually don't want to be a nice

perfect jar anymore.

You actually want the cracks so that.

Hold on a minute.

So that you do something like this, Rachel, wherever you are, I'll

clean this up, I swear.

So that as the Spirit pours into you and as grace pours into

you, it also pours out.

Grace pours into and through the cracks.

We don't want to be shiny, perfect, golden people.

We want to be broken and repaired, people who give out grace

and gifts.

And the problem is, though, we also think maybe it works like this.

I'm not going to do the whole bottle, so everyone can, if you're

worried about that.

But like, we think, all right, to go get a little grace today from

Jesus, and then you pour it out and then your cup is empty.

That's not how it works, actually, from Jesus's angle, our

angle, we may think it's like that, but I stole this from.

Her name is Kenda Creasy Dean.

I thought about bringing the Hose in today, but I thought that

would be a bad idea for our neighbors downstairs and for the

structure of the building, actually, there is a constant fount

font.

I don't know, water's coming in all the time.

From Jesus's angle, the grace is non stop, nonstop.

It's whether we are aware of it, receiving it, being, being filled

by it.

And that's what I want to talk to you about today.

I want to talk to you about this whole.

We're in this series called.

Can you throw that image up there, Hudson?

If you're on the image.

Bingo.

That one.

We're in a series called Everyone has a Place.

And we're talking about how in the kingdom of Jesus, it isn't like

our world, our World is a world of hierarchy.

Yes.

Like, everybody's, like, at different rungs on the ladder, right.

Sometimes in the career world, everybody's hustling to get to a

higher rung on the ladder.

Right.

And sometimes it gets competitive and it gets nasty, even

in places where we're serving people.

Even gets competitive and nasty in places like schools, nonprofits,

churches.

Did you know that there are egos in church politics?

These institutions that are meant to serve people just become

another hierarchy.

Because our human nature is built for hierarchies.

If our nature is not restored, we sign up for the hierarchy.

And I'm going to read you a letter today in a minute to talk

about this concept where it's a letter written by a guy named Paul,

who, if we think we exist in a world of hierarchies, he was even

more so in a hierarchy.

But before I do that, I want to ask you, in your ordinary life,

in the places where you live, work, learn, and play, how do you

experience that ladder I just talked about?

How do you relate to it?

You can answer that anyway.

How does it make you feel?

Do you find yourself tempted to participate in it?

How does that work for you?

I'd be interested to hear.

How do you experience.

How do you relate to the hierarchies of your life?

PT Go ahead.

People who make more money than I always need to consider themselves

much better.

You.

You experience that.

People who make more money have a sense of, like, superiority

sometimes.

So you're confirming there's a hierarchy even in the church others,

what's it like in your world, this world of hierarchy you live

in?

You make your own ladder.

Okay.

All right.

Some jobs you have to.

You're either climbing or you're falling.

You can't just chill if you're not climbing.

They're like, hey, sit down.

We need to have a conversation with you.

Others of you, how do you experience it in your world, in your

organization where you live, work, learn, and play?

Does everyone have a place?

Even people who work in the.

The bleeding heart nonprofit people in the room?

Does everyone have a place?

It's everywhere, isn't it?

Everywhere.

And the reason is we'll talk about this at the end is like, there's

part of our human nature again.

It's part of our culture that we are built 4.

Like climbing the ladder and trying to get to the top place, or

we go to the other extreme because we don't get to the top place.

We feel that we aren't worthy, and so we just kind of feel like

nothing at the bottom.

That's why I want to read this letter to you today.

I want to shed light on this concept of everyone has a place today.

I hope to build you up in the belief that you have a special place

in Jesus Kingdom.

That's not just a cool idea.

He proved it in his ministry, the way he lived.

And he did it also with this Paul guy.

But first, I want to give you context, because context is important.

Reading the Bible a lot of times.

The Bible, we say this all the time.

The Bible is very weird.

Very weird library to hang out in.

Okay?

Context can help, but it's not going to cure the weirdness.

It's a beautiful weird, though.

Much like our church, we specialize in weird here at Heaven

Earth.

So Paul is in pretty much a lot of his letters.

You can conclude this.

He is in jail while he's writing this letter.

He was a guy who was throwing people in jail for following Jesus.

Then he became a guy who was imprisoned because he became a follower

of Jesus.

Is that climbing the ladder?

He jumped off the ladder and destroyed the ladder.

He says in Philippians 3, I climbed to the top of the ladder.

I consider all that stuff the top now.

Sewer trash compared to following Jesus.

Forget it.

And so he went around planting church communities, telling people

like he did to the Corinthians in Corinth and Greece.

Like, he wrote them back and said, hey, because they guess what

they did five minutes after they started a church.

What were they doing?

Our faction of Christianity is better than yours.

You guys are idiots.

You follow Paul.

We follow Apollos.

They follow Cephas.

You guys are idiots.

We're the right ones.

We're at the top of the ladder.

We.

I mean, like, man, just like that, they turned church into a ladder.

And so Paul says, hey, you guys, we are all part of one body.

We are all members of one body.

He says it again to the romans in chapter 12.

And then he'll say it again here to the Ephesians.

Ephesus was the town of the communities to whom he was writing.

He went around to these different cities bearing witness

to pouring out the treasure that was in his broken pot.

He just poured out.

He lived into his giftedness as an apostle.

We're going to talk about that because every single one of you is

an apostle, prophet, evangelist, shepherd, or teacher.

Did you know?

Every single one of you.

But I want to show you what he says first.

This is the letter to the Ephesians.

Listen to what he does think about that ladder that I'm telling

you.

About and how he speaks to this concept of ladder.

The opposite of ladder for Paul is, wait for it.

I, therefore, the prisoner in the Lord.

Sometimes he means that metaphorically.

He feels happy to be, like, responsible and obligated to Jesus.

It's a joy that he's received.

I, therefore, the prisoner in the Lord, beg you to walk in a manner

worthy of the calling to which you have been called.

Every single person in this room is called sometimes.

Like, maybe you grew up in church traditions where, like, it's

only the preachers who are called to ministry.

That's a big fat stupid lie.

The division between clergy and laity is a lie that was formed

out of the pits of hell.

I'm just a dude with you.

Following the Lord.

Together we are all called.

And he's saying to all of these people in Ephesians, I beg

each of you to walk in a manner worthy of the calling.

With all humility and gentleness, with patience bearing

with one another in love.

Do you see how he's busting up the ladder here?

This is a new guy, Paul.

Paul had ascended to be like the CEO of his religion.

He was up in the executive suite getting like stock options

and stuff.

I don't even know what a stock option is.

But guess what happened?

He met Jesus on the road.

And Jesus said, why are you persecuting me?

He had a vision of the risen Lord.

And Jesus said, why are you persecuting me?

I always tell people with that verse, how is Paul persecuting Jesus?

Because he was persecuting people.

When you persecute somebody vulnerable, you persecute Jesus.

Jesus says, when you have not done it to the least of these, when

you've not helped them, you have not done it for me.

So when we neglect somebody who's vulnerable, we neglect Jesus.

Paul was doing just that.

He had a vision of Jesus.

Jesus said, why are you persecuting me?

Paul was blinded, couldn't eat, couldn't drink for three days.

And then he got filled up.

And he kept getting filled up and he kept pouring it out.

All of a sudden, ego driven Paul was.

Humility filled Paul, pouring it out, bearing fruits of the Spirit.

He says it in Galatians, the fruits of the Spirit are love, joy,

peace, patience, kindness, goodness, gentleness, faithfulness,

and self control.

Man, he started bearing that fruit and he gave it to others to

build them up, not to climb the ladder for himself.

Making every.

Here's the opposite of the ladder.

Making every effort to maintain the.

Can you read the next word?

Making every effort to maintain the Paul's going to do a

wild thing in this chapter.

He's going to highlight this impossible diversity of God's creation

and also bear witness to the improbable unity that we can have

in the midst of this impossible diversity.

He's saying, let's explode the ladder.

Let's all be one.

Let's all be on the same plane with Jesus.

There is one body, one spirit, just as you were called to the one

hope of your calling, One Lord, one faith, one baptism.

There's one thing that we're all a part of, one thing through

which we are all reborn, one thing for which we are built up,

one God and Father of all, who is above all and through all and

in all.

Good Lord.

Amen.

You know what excites me about this?

These folks.

You know how many doctrines they had written out by this point?

Everybody hold up a big zero.

They had no doctrines figured out yet that they had.

Like, there was no scriptures yet.

Somebody wrote this down like they were writing this down live.

They are.

They have.

They're filled with the Spirit.

They're navigating this hard life.

I'm not trashing doctrines.

They're good guides, good structure to guide us in our.

In a rich faith.

But look at what he's able to do with the spirit.

The treasure filling his jar, and he just wants to pour it out.

This is it right here.

But a few special people are giving grace to the measure of Christ's

gift.

A few extraordinary preachers get an extraordinary amount of grace.

What's that second word?

But do you think he's lying?

Think he's like, it's a good idea.

I'm gonna say something that's gonna sell books.

I'm gonna get this letter published.

I'm gonna make people feel good.

No, I know he believed it because he lived for it and he ultimately

died for it.

He truly believed that every single person has a flickering flame

like a pilot light.

He just wanted to fan that and ignite it, not for his sake, but

for the sake of God's kingdom and the restoration of the world.

Every single person in here, all of you, that's your destiny.

Sorry, I just thought of Forrest Gump again.

What's my destiny, Mama?

I don't know.

But I know that.

That.

That it's.

It's to be ignited.

We're gonna have to skip these because I need a whole sermon on

chat on verses 8, 9, and 10.

Cosmic stuff.

Go read it in your own time if you want to talk about it.

Basically, Paul's like, hey, Jesus is really awesome and he's

gone everywhere to make a place for us and give his gifts to

us.

Cosmic stuff.

We're gonna get here.

That's where we're ending.

It's going to be practical and I hope energizing at the end.

Okay, we're almost already there.

I am moving at warp speed today.

This is fabulous.

So that all this stuff I want to point to the so that.

Look at this.

He's saying like, hey, I'm calling you.

All this stuff in verse one through six.

I'm begging you to step into your calling and live in it with

these kind of spiritual characteristics in unity that the

Holy Spirit can provide like nothing else because we are all one

in this thing.

He's calling them to this and he's saying, hey, each of you has

something, wake up to it.

You're one of these things.

Apostle, prophet, evangelist, pastor, or shepherd and teacher.

I'm going to teach you something we talked about before.

A pest.

Everyone say a pest today or this week at work.

You'd be like, hey, can I tell you about a pest?

They'll think you're weird and they'll be excited.

Here's the so that all this so that to equip the saints for.

For the work of ministry Are only a few people saints.

Not in this letter.

Guess what?

Sorry, I have to tell you something.

You might feel attacked in a minute.

Every single one of last, every single in the room is just

a boring, ordinary, good old fashioned sinner.

Some of you are triggered right now because maybe you heard

that language in the church.

All I mean by that, it's nothing shocking.

We're pretty good at selfishness, ego, false self.

Am I attacking you here?

Did anybody have a perfectly 100% no sin day yesterday?

Everybody had.

We were at the baseball field together.

He can bear witness.

It wasn't good for me.

It was a bad day.

We were up nine to 11 going in the fourth inning and we gave up

10 runs in the last inning and lost.

How did I do?

Not well, okay, I don't think anybody was 100% yesterday.

And yet this is the beauty.

Do you think that stops Jesus whatsoever from pouring out his extravagant

treasures for you?

Was he like, all right, the human goodness meter has crossed

over 50%.

I will now go down and give them my treasures.

No, Paul says it.

This thing is still true.

Don't let the bad church and bad Christianity, which hijacked

the beauties of Jesus.

Don't let them steal this beautiful one while we were yet sinners.

Jesus said, God, I love them, God, they're my people, and I want

to go be with them.

And I want to go pour out my blood to defeat the forces of death,

evil and darkness, to make a new way while we were yet sinners.

Don't let the bad church that hijack Christianity steal that beautiful

truth from you.

It's still true.

He did all this to equip the saints, you sinners and saints, to

build you up for the work of ministry.

Everybody's in ministry tomorrow.

Melissa will be in ministry at Custer Baker, Ashley at Arrow Earth,

or Heather at Franklin, Amanda at the Johnson County Housing Coalition,

the director of residential programming, davita over at juvenile

probation.

Sorry, I'll keep.

I could keep going.

All of you.

You're going to be in ministry somewhere, and he's saying these

things to you to build you up.

He wants to build you up in your ministry, wherever you live,

work, learn and play until all of us come to the unity of faith

in the knowledge of the Son of God.

To maturity.

Guess what?

That word is right there.

To maturity.

It's the word that inspired this series.

Let's learn some Greek today.

What do you say?

Woo.

It's a word.

The word is teleos.

It's the word that says, like you're moving on to completion.

You ain't there yet, but you're going to be.

That's the goal of discipleship, is moving on to completion,

to restoration.

Jesus comes to help you move back to restoration and completion

to the measure of the full stature of Christ.

In other words, Jeremy, he wants you to be all of completely,

Jeremy.

The fullness of you and also the fullness of Christ.

So you grow up into you, you, but also into Jesus.

We must no longer be children, tossed to and fro and blown about

by every wind of doctrine, by people's trickery, by their craftiness

and deceitful scheming.

Lots of big words there from Paul, but speaking the truth in love.

We must grow up in every way into Him.

Who is the head into Christ?

You.

You know who's at the top of the ladder?

No, there is no ladder.

The head is Christ.

But what did he do?

Philippians 2.

Paul says, Be of the mind of Christ, who humbled himself, though

he shared in divinity, did not consider it something to be exploited,

but humbled himself to the point of death, even death on a cross,

so that at the sound of his name, every knee will bow and tongue

confess that he is Lord.

Even the head of the church humbled himself to build you up.

So Don't.

Don't start doing a ladder.

Do what he did.

From whom?

The whole body.

There's that body again, joined and knit together by every

ligament with which it is equipped.

As each part is working properly, promotes the body's growth

in building itself up.

In love, everything is ultimately to shower this earth,

to restore this earth in the rich love of the Lord, of which you

are a recipient and called to share.

All right, I'm going to stop.

And then we get to the practical session.

It's 1022.

Bang.

What's this making you think, feel, wonder.

If you say nothing.

I just keep talking.

All right, you just want me to keep talk.

Go ahead, Ralph.

There we go.

Thank you, Ralph.

Yes.

There's the biblical spiritual perspective.

Even if we didn't have that, it seems to me that it's a whole

lot more fun and less stressful that instead of trying

to cut the ladder out for somebody else and also be worried

about somebody cutting the ladder out underneath you, it's a

whole lot more fun to try and build other people up.

Absolutely.

I love that point.

Ralph says, like, even if you didn't have the biblical and spiritual

side of this, it's still better to do.

It's more fun.

I've said to people before, I believe if you practice the teachings

of Jesus without believing in him yet, which makes it hard, believing

in him makes it more possible to do the teachings because you need

the grace and the Spirit to do so.

But if you practice his teachings, you'd be like, man, I

have to admit, I'm freer.

I'm more peaceful.

I'm happier.

What else are you thinking?

Feeling about this.

Go ahead, PT.

There are days when you don't feel connected to God.

There are days when you don't feel the Spirit.

One of the important reasons is to be a part of the body is because

from everybody else, you know, it's still very.

Though your is not spark very well.

You need that community to be with.

Absolutely.

Some days you don't feel it.

Sometimes like you.

You want to feel the fire, but you don't.

And that all the more reason why he's calling these people into

community and into unity of the Spirit.

He says in Corinthians, like, sometimes there are weaker parts

that need the stronger parts and vice versa.

Anybody else.

Recently, But I feel like we've seen a situation where someone.

Hierarchical.

Thank you.

Ladder was like shaking our ladder to try and make sure that

in our lives we weren't like in any way accelerating.

And people that, like, love us that we have unity and community

with that would, like, at the bottom, catch us.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So there's an experience of, like, where someone tried to kind

of maybe at the top, kind of shake you off because, like, they

want the top by themselves.

Maybe out of insecurity, ego wounding, whatever.

But it was the community that you had around you at the bottom

that lifted you up, Melissa.

Yes.

Yeah.

Yeah.

We get scripted very early on in big fancy word here, meritocracy,

like, you are what you are based on what you can earn.

You are what you are based on your ability to secure a promotion

and get to the next level.

When I reflect back on the fact that in elementary school, there

are a group of kids, while other kids watched, who went away

to a gifted and talented group.

The other kids knew.

Those are the gifted and talented people.

That makes, like, my soul hurt, man.

It's.

It's very early on.

Yeah.

What else?

Anybody else?

Debbie, Go ahead.

Yeah.

Separating your worth from your accomplishments.

That's what I'm talking about.

Exploding the ladder, Setting the ladder on fire if it's wooden.

And that's the whole gospel of the narrative.

The narrative of the gospel is that you are like what you are from

God right now.

You can't increase that or diminish it.

You can only realize it.

You can only wake up to it.

Jesus comes to wake you up.

All right, we better move along.

You guys are causing us to get back behind.

Yeah.

All right, so what do you do with this?

I had a few slip points on that.

I'm going to skip those and just go to one.

Okay.

That faith is a series of yeses and no's.

Like PT said, some days we.

We're like, no, not doing it today.

Yesterday, the Lord was like, ross, stop thinking about baseball

and come and pray for a little while.

I didn't do it.

I have a sickness.

I do.

I'm competitive.

It's a problem.

The Lord knows it still loves me.

Today was the opportunity to say the next yes, to be here with

you, to accept the grace that God so desperately wants to give

me, to accept the gift of Jesus that is here for me always

and to grow in my faith.

Like, just say the next yes.

Which means that there's something else we probably have to

say no to.

Good old fashioned churchy word repent is simply saying no to

one thing so you can turn and say yes to something else.

How many people in the room struggle to say no?

Come on.

That's going to play up here in a minute.

All right, here we go.

Let's end with some fun.

I hope this energizes you.

And then Emily's going to tell us the Enneagram test that we recommend,

Right?

Okay.

Thanks, Emily.

All right, each one of you is an apostle, prophet, evangelist,

shepherd, teacher.

You have a lead in one of those two areas, maybe a couple.

I don't want to overplay this, but this is the original personality

test.

So let's see what you think you are.

Okay, you ready?

Let's have some fun with this.

All right, let's start with the apostle.

That font is too small.

Who did that?

I'll read it, though.

So the apostle, that's a word that means the sent one.

These people tend to be mission driven people, like, almost

obsessive about mission stuff.

They're entrepreneur types, visionary types.

They feel sent to people.

They get discouraged and frustrated when the organization

is off mission.

They start new things to reach new people or quote, unquote, lost

people.

They feel very driven to carry on the mission, to lead with the

values of the mission.

They.

They appreciate most, perhaps the stories where Jesus places himself

along people who are on the outside looking in.

So Emily makes jokes.

Sometimes we're fun with each other.

I sometimes make fun of her because she's an enneagram one.

And I will say, Emily, just enneagram1me.

But she will poke fun at me because guess which one of these

I am.

That one.

Yeah.

What's that?

Yeah, I know.

I'm mixing tests.

Sorry.

Sorry.

Yeah, sorry.

I. I'm.

Follow the structure.

See, she just enneagram won me.

See, it's good.

That's good, Emily.

Good job, prophet.

Lots of people these days think of themselves as prophets.

They get on the Facebooks.

That don't make you a prophet.

A lot of people.

Prophets have one thing that most of the prophets in our time

lack.

Humility.

Their witness comes from a humble posture towards God and a

desire for a heart to be aligned with God.

Apostles are out.

Prophets are up people who feel compelled to call out wrongs,

especially wrongs that hurt neighbors.

They get bothered, even angry, when the church or people aren't

taking care of the downtrodden.

They say and do concrete things to advocate for justice.

They humbly pursue the heart of the matter, especially God's heart,

and call people back to God's heart.

They appreciate perhaps most the stories where Jesus confronts

and corrupt leaders or crooked systems that harm people.

So, like, they're justice driven investigative journalists,

protesters.

It doesn't mean that they're out there with a sign necessarily.

Their protest Might be they just go have a conversation with

their boss.

That's hard.

Okay, next.

Are you good so far?

Everybody with me?

Still, isn't the sun through the stained glass awesome?

The evangelist.

Joanna's an evangelist.

These are gatherers, sharers, inviters, relators.

Joanna will host a 40th birthday party for, like, 50th birthday.

If you want a party host, you don't have to ask her.

She's already thinking of it.

Because she's planning it.

She's planning it while you're not even thinking about it.

They're people, Right, Joanna?

Yes.

People who build connections easily and invite people authentically.

They have an earnest desire to bring good experience and news to

people.

They don't treat people as means to an end.

Again, there's a lot of people who thought of themselves as evangelists

on the street corner saying, repent, or you're going to hell when

you die today.

Those aren't evangelists.

Those are idiots.

Who are desperately loved by God.

Okay, that's not evangelism.

That there's.

That has nothing to do with evangelism.

Evangelism starts with relationship, connection and a love

for the good things of God and the good news of Jesus.

So they don't treat people as means to an end, but they genuinely,

deeply love people.

And they love Jesus, man.

They love God in the story of Jesus, they cherish it deeply.

They hold it sacredly as a gift.

They appreciate perhaps most the story where Jesus shares good

news with people that really needed to hear it.

Are we still good?

Are you with me?

It's 10:34.

We're almost done.

Okay.

The shepherds.

I know a shepherd.

I know a few shepherds in the room.

These are caregivers, healers, listeners, comforters.

They're people who carry compassion in their bones and extend

it to others.

They naturally come alongside others to bring them comfort.

They don't see people's ailments as inconvenience.

They love God and God's people with an empathetic heart.

They appreciate most, perhaps, the stories where Jesus comforts

and heals.

I've told what I am.

I'll tell you what I'm not.

I am not naturally that one.

I do it out of skill and out of mission.

When I took the strengthsfinders test.

Sorry, another mix here.

You might be shocked to know this.

Don't hold it against me, all right?

Empathy was, like, at the bottom.

And some of you are like, what?

I met you, Ross.

You don't seem to be a jerk.

I mean, maybe you Do.

I don't know.

I do it because I know it's the right thing to do and I believe

in it.

But am I naturally gifted at it?

Not so much.

The teachers.

My top two are apostle and teacher.

Every time I've taken it, there's an assessment you can take.

These are the sages, the communicators.

They're the students, too.

They're people who cherish the mysteries of God and want to share

them.

They enjoy searching the scriptures and world for God's deep

wisdom.

They love lighting people's path with knowledge of God.

They appreciate most the teachings of Jesus.

All right.

Apostle, prophet, evangelist, shepherd.

Teacher.

Here's your homework.

I just got a bad look like you can't give people homework at home

practices.

Yep, yep.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I will.

I will send these out to you.

Or you can take pictures like davita did.

Smart.

Ask three to five people who know you well this week which one

they think you are.

You can ask me.

I don't care If I get 60 texts this week.

Now, some people know it might take a while before I get back.

Sometimes you might three days later be like, ross, hi.

I'm not good at texts.

I get a lot of them.

So keep.

Please do keep that in mind.

See.

My family.

Hey, if you think you got it bad, ask my family.

It's not good.

Not good.

Sorry.

I am not that one.

Okay.

Ask three to five people in your life.

Which one do you think I am?

I will put them out.

How about we put them on the church center homepage and we'll

put them out on social media?

Okay.

If you need.

If you're like, I don't do either of those things, then just

call me or something.

No, don't do that.

That'll be too many calls.

Figure something out.

Email me.

Email me.

Yeah, there you go.

That's number one, homework.

Number two, homework.

What is the Enneagram that we recommend, Emily?

Well, there's a free one at Truity.

There's a site called truity.com.

So I think it's T, R, U, I, T, Y, something like that.

They have actually a bunch of different assessments, but they're

all.

You can do them all free.

And they'll give you, like, an initial, just base assessment.

So, like, there's the Enneagram, there's a disc profile.

There's.

There's a couple others on there.

But the Enneagram is.

It's fun.

And then there's something called the Enneagram Institute that

actually will give a little more Information, So you can do it

that way, too.

So you take the test over here where it's free, and you can find

more information over here where it's also free.

I like free.

So there you go.

Thank you, Emily.

Sure.

We'll put that on the socials, too.

Emily and I are.

I'm going to give Emily and I some props for a minute.

So you're just going to have to endure this.

Emily and I work really well together.

Our personalities are not the same.

Emily's a one on the Enneagram.

I'm a three.

I'm an apostle.

She's a teacher.

But we work extremely well together.

Extremely well.

Because we pursue unity all the time.

If we have, like, a conversation, we need to talk, we

keep coming back to unity.

That's church, too.

That's church.

We come back.

If someone hurts your feelings, you say, hey, that hurt

my feelings.

If you saw it differently, it's probably because you had a personality

clash.

Right.

Maybe you saw it from the lens of an apostle.

They saw it from the lens of a shepherd.

Right.

Or an Enneagram one.

Or an Enneagram three.

So that's your homework.

Ask three to five people which one they think you are.

You can say yourself, too.

Take the Enneagram, send them to us.

We're going to put it into your church center profile so we

can fit you into a nice little box.

No, so that, like, when we have things to do.

Well, no, like, oh, Ralph Hill.

That's not a good ask of Ralph, because Ralph is.

This Ralph would be better perhaps, at this.

So does that make sense?

All right, let's.

Let's have some fun.

How many people in the room would say, like, I think I might.

My leading one might be apostle.

We have, like, three of those.

I'm going to tell you, that's a latent gift in the church.

It's one that we've not fanned the flame of.

Well, so we had like two or three of those.

Mission driven.

They get up.

They're like, get nervous when we're not on mission.

How many prophets in the room?

Don't be shy.

We're.

Everybody's something.

They're all beautiful.

How many prophets in the room?

Yeah, come on, raise your hand.

Heather, good Lord.

Didn't you literally teach journalism somewhere?

Yeah, come on.

How many evangelists in the room?

Raise your hand?

Joanna.

Yeah, dude.

Jason, you are an evangelist.

Dude, straight up.

You are an evangelist.

How many shepherds in the room?

See this?

Watch.

Look around the room.

The church has fanned the flame of that one, not the apostle

one so much.

Alan Hirsch says the church needs to wait for it.

I need to make sure I says correctly.

Ape out.

We need to fan the flame more of apostle, prophet, evangelist.

What's the most prominent gift in United Methodist Church that gets

we raise up shepherds and teachers.

We need to fan the flame of the people who are not those things.

All right, how many people?

Uh huh.

Yep.

How many people are teachers?

Some of you.

I feel like I know what you are, but all right, send them to

us this week and we'll have some fun with this.

The good news is everyone has a place.

Let's pray.

Lord, thank you that that's true.

Help us to experience that truth and to grow in it.

Guide us so that we find our place with you and that we take our

place in your inheritance and that we share the riches that you

so desperately want to give to the world with others.

In Jesus name.

Amen.

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