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Heaven: The Intermediate State | 08/16/26

West Hills Community Church // San Jose

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  1. Good morning, church.

  2. I am really excited and grateful to be

  3. here today to kick off this four-week

  4. series on the topic of heaven.

  5. Josh mentioned that four of us are going

  6. to be preaching in it. I want to give

  7. you kind of a road map for what's going

  8. to be covered each of these four weeks.

  9. So, this morning I'm going to preach on

  10. the intermediate state. Next Sunday,

  11. Jason's going to preach on the day of

  12. the Lord. Sunday after that, Eric's

  13. going to preach on the new world, and

  14. then Josh is going to close it out

  15. preaching on the beatific vision. If you

  16. don't know what some of those things are

  17. or what they have to do with heaven,

  18. perfect. That is why we are doing this

  19. series,

  20. and it's going to be awesome.

  21. And as Josh mentioned, we're doing it in

  22. Morgan Hill as well. So, this is now my

  23. second time getting to preach this

  24. sermon, and I got to learn from

  25. everything I did wrong last week. So, it

  26. works out great.

  27. You know, my hope for the series is that

  28. it will challenge us in the ways that

  29. our concepts, our conception, and our

  30. thoughts about heaven stray from the

  31. Bible.

  32. But I also hope and pray that this

  33. series will

  34. make us so much more excited for the

  35. glorious hope we have in Christ that

  36. awaits us when we die.

  37. So, without further ado, let's pray and

  38. we'll jump into it.

  39. Heavenly Father,

  40. our thoughts

  41. far too often are focused on this earth

  42. and the things of this earth,

  43. on temporary realities,

  44. things that change, things that will

  45. pass away.

  46. And yet you, Lord, are eternal.

  47. You always have been.

  48. You always will be.

  49. And for those of us here who have been

  50. saved by your son, Jesus Christ, you

  51. have for us an eternal inheritance

  52. waiting.

  53. You have told us in your word that it is

  54. good.

  55. Not lowercase G, capital G good. It is

  56. the greatest good.

  57. And yet, Lord,

  58. so often we forget this, or we live as

  59. if this is not true.

  60. And so, I pray that this morning and

  61. over the next 4 weeks, Lord, you would

  62. focus our hearts on eternal glories,

  63. Father.

  64. Focus our hearts on the things that

  65. await us

  66. when we are with you.

  67. Even though we know, God, that this

  68. sermon series, all the things that we're

  69. going to say about heaven will fall so

  70. far short of the reality and how great

  71. it will be, Lord, would you help us

  72. help us to understand what your word

  73. says about heaven. Lord, help us then

  74. to not just know what heaven's going to

  75. be like, but to live differently in

  76. light of that, Lord.

  77. Help us to live as citizens of another

  78. kingdom.

  79. Help us to live as strangers and exiles

  80. passing through this life

  81. before we are with you forever.

  82. Lord, I also want to just lift up in

  83. particular just a member of the Morgan

  84. Hill campus, Bob Wells and his family.

  85. Bob found out

  86. last week Monday that he has terminal

  87. cancer and he's

  88. now on hospice care and

  89. it seems, Lord, that these things that

  90. we're preaching about over these next 4

  91. weeks are going to be true for him. And

  92. I I saw him yesterday afternoon and just

  93. rejoiced to see

  94. a man who has lived his life well for

  95. you and is ready to meet his king and

  96. savior. He is so excited. This

  97. this series is very real for him.

  98. I pray it would be real for all of us,

  99. Lord, because

  100. Lord, one day, unless you return first,

  101. we will all

  102. we will all be there, too.

  103. Help us, God, now to think about eternal

  104. things and the glory in them, I pray, in

  105. Jesus' name. Amen.

  106. If you've been saved by Christ,

  107. where will you go the the you die?

  108. Your first answer might be heaven.

  109. But, what does heaven mean to you?

  110. What do you picture?

  111. Maybe you picture clouds, harps,

  112. sunshine.

  113. You picture little babies with wings

  114. flying around inexplicably.

  115. If you picture a never-ending worship

  116. service that you kind of want to end,

  117. but it just it just doesn't stop, you

  118. know, it just keeps on going and going.

  119. Do you think of books or movies about

  120. people who

  121. have had near-death experiences and then

  122. and then share about this vision of

  123. heaven they saw or claim to have seen?

  124. And how do you feel about heaven?

  125. How do you feel about heaven? What are

  126. you excited for? What emotion does it

  127. elicit?

  128. Are you excited for heaven? Do you love

  129. imagining what it will be like to be

  130. with God?

  131. Is it a little confusing?

  132. Do you wonder

  133. well, how's it going to work? Am I going

  134. to be with Christ right away or

  135. am I going to maybe sleep or be

  136. unconscious until he returns?

  137. Is there fear?

  138. Do you wonder

  139. can heaven really live up to all of the

  140. hype? Is that possible?

  141. Are you afraid that you might get there

  142. and discover after

  143. a year, a decade, a hundred years, a

  144. thousand years, that it's actually kind

  145. of boring

  146. and that heaven can't remain interesting

  147. and entertaining forever, that one day

  148. you're going to realize, man, I

  149. feel like I've done all there is to do.

  150. Where do you Christians go the moment

  151. they die and what will it be like? That

  152. is the question we're going to answer

  153. this morning. And as I've studied and

  154. wrestled through this question, I want

  155. to give you the answer I believe is most

  156. faithful to God's word. It's a bit

  157. technical. I'll say it a couple of

  158. times.

  159. Upon death, those in Christ go

  160. immediately to the present heaven to be

  161. with Christ in a disembodied

  162. intermediate state awaiting the final

  163. resurrection on the day of the Lord.

  164. I know that's a lot. Let me say that

  165. again.

  166. Upon death, those in Christ go

  167. immediately to the present heaven to be

  168. with Christ in a disembodied

  169. intermediate state awaiting the final

  170. resurrection on the day of the Lord.

  171. Now, my guess is you probably have a lot

  172. more questions now, don't you?

  173. What exactly is this intermediate state?

  174. What does it mean to be disembodied?

  175. What is the present heaven?

  176. Where is the present heaven?

  177. Where is it different than where we'll

  178. be after the final resurrection?

  179. And maybe most importantly, what are we

  180. going to do in this intermediate state

  181. while we wait for the final

  182. resurrection? Well,

  183. we'll start answering those questions by

  184. going to God's word, but before we do, I

  185. think it's important that I give a

  186. little disclaimer up front. We are

  187. entering into an area of theology that

  188. is not black and white. It's just not.

  189. There are a few things about the

  190. intermediate state we can say with

  191. confidence, and there are a lot more

  192. things that we can speculate about. So,

  193. I'm going to try my best to speak

  194. confidently where the Bible speaks

  195. confidently,

  196. and to make it clear when I'm

  197. speculating off of things in the Bible

  198. that aren't quite as clear.

  199. So, listen, here's the deal. When we're

  200. all in heaven, don't be coming up to me

  201. and saying that I was wrong about stuff,

  202. all right?

  203. >> [snorts]

  204. >> I'm not I'm not going to take it.

  205. I promise you that whatever I am wrong

  206. about in the sermon, and I'm sure there

  207. will be some things I'm wrong about,

  208. whatever the reality is in heaven is

  209. going to be so much better than whatever

  210. I preached to you this morning.

  211. Well, we're going to be in a few

  212. different passages today, but we're

  213. going to start in 2 Corinthians 5. So,

  214. if you have a Bible, you can go ahead

  215. and start turning there. And while you

  216. turn there, I want to give you some

  217. context.

  218. In the book of 2 Corinthians, up until

  219. this point,

  220. Paul has been defending his ministry to

  221. the Corinthians.

  222. And he's also been defining what true

  223. ministry for Christ looks like.

  224. And in the previous chapter, chapter 4,

  225. Paul explained that serving Christ often

  226. means suffering.

  227. Chapter 4, verse 8, Paul says, "We are

  228. afflicted in every way, but not crushed.

  229. Perplexed, but not driven to despair.

  230. Persecuted, but not forsaken. Struck

  231. down, but not destroyed. Always carrying

  232. in the body the death of Jesus, so that

  233. the life of Jesus also may be manifested

  234. in our bodies."

  235. But then if you jump down to verse 16,

  236. he gives some hope. He says, "So, we do

  237. not lose heart.

  238. Though our outer self is wasting away,

  239. our inner self is being renewed day by

  240. day.

  241. For this light momentary affliction is

  242. preparing for us an eternal weight of

  243. glory beyond all comparison. As we look

  244. not to the things that are seen, but to

  245. the things that are unseen.

  246. For the things that are seen are

  247. transient, but the things that are

  248. unseen are eternal."

  249. Paul is saying, "Yes,

  250. we are weak and our outer selves, our

  251. earthly bodies, are wasting away, but we

  252. look forward to an eternal hope.

  253. It's invisible to us now, but one day it

  254. will be revealed and its glory will be

  255. on be beyond all comparison."

  256. So, now in chapter 5, Paul is going to

  257. speak to that glorious hope that we have

  258. in Christ, that invisible eternal

  259. reality.

  260. 2 Corinthians, chapter 5, beginning in

    2 Corinthians 5 chapter mention

  261. verse 1.

  262. "For we know that if the tent that is

  263. our earthly home is destroyed, we have a

  264. building from God, a house not made with

  265. hands, eternal in the heavens.

  266. For in this tent we groan, longing to

  267. put on our heavenly dwelling, if indeed,

  268. by putting it on, we may not be found

  269. naked. For while we are still in this

  270. tent, we groan, being burdened, not that

  271. we would be unclothed, but that we would

  272. be further clothed, so that what is

  273. mortal may be swallowed up by life.

  274. He who has prepared us for this very

  275. thing is God, who has given us the

  276. Spirit as a guarantee.

  277. So, we are always of good courage. We

  278. know that while we are at home in the

  279. body, we are away from the Lord, for we

  280. walk by faith, not by sight.

  281. Yes, we are of good courage, and we

  282. would rather be away from the body and

  283. at home with the Lord. So, whether we

  284. are at home or away, we make it our aim

  285. to please him.

  286. In this passage, Paul starts out by

  287. talking about our bodies, and he uses

  288. this metaphor of a tent. Right? What is

  289. a tent?

  290. It's a temporary lodging. You stay in a

  291. tent for a season, but it's not meant to

  292. be used long-term.

  293. He says that in our earthly bodies, our

  294. tents, we groan, longing to put on our

  295. heavenly dwelling. And that heavenly

  296. dwelling, that is our resurrection body.

  297. We will receive our resurrection bodies

  298. at the day of the Lord. We're going to

  299. learn more about those later in this

  300. series.

  301. But notice what Paul says in verse 3.

  302. He says, "If indeed, by putting our

  303. resurrection bodies on, we may not be

  304. found naked."

  305. What does it mean to be found naked?

  306. What's the metaphor here that Paul's

  307. getting at?

  308. Most likely, I think, it means that we

  309. will be without a body after death

  310. temporarily, until we receive those

  311. resurrection bodies. So, to be naked in

  312. a sense is to be without a body.

  313. We'll come back to that. Paul continues

  314. in verse 4. He he "For while we are

  315. still in this tent, we groan, being

  316. burdened, not that we would be

  317. unclothed, but that we would be further

  318. clothed."

  319. Paul is looking forward not just to this

  320. intermediate state, but even more so to

  321. what comes after the intermediate state,

  322. the final resurrection.

  323. He's looking forward He's not looking

  324. forward to being bodiless. He's looking

  325. forward to receiving a new and better

  326. body.

  327. In verse 6, he says, "We know that while

  328. we are at home in the body, we are away

  329. from the Lord." And then in verse 8, "We

  330. would rather be away from the body and

  331. at home with the Lord."

  332. And so if we understand Paul to be

  333. talking about this disembodied or

  334. bodiless state, then he's saying that to

  335. be in your earthly body is to be away

  336. from Christ, at least physically,

  337. but to be away from your earthly body is

  338. to be at home with Christ.

  339. The way most theologians have understood

  340. this throughout church history is that

  341. when a Christian dies, their body

  342. remains on Earth, and their soul goes to

  343. be with Christ in a disembodied state.

  344. That's my view as well, but it's not the

  345. only view Christians have held.

  346. Some Christians don't make a hard

  347. distinction between the body and soul,

  348. but still believe in a disembodied

  349. intermediate state.

  350. Other Christians believe don't believe

  351. uh the intermediate state is

  352. disembodied. They speculate that perhaps

  353. the Lord will grant us temporary

  354. physical bodies until we are ready to

  355. receive our resurrection bodies.

  356. But either way,

  357. we can all agree that God has designed

  358. human beings to be embodied. We are

  359. ordinarily supposed to have bodies. That

  360. is how God made us, and it's how we will

  361. be for eternity in the new heavens and

  362. the new Earth.

  363. And I think that's why Paul seems a

  364. little bit uncomfortable with the idea

  365. of being naked, of being bodiless in the

  366. intermediate state, if that's what he's

  367. referring to.

  368. Now, Paul is not saying that the

  369. intermediate state is bad. Remember, he

  370. just said we would rather be away from

  371. the body and at home with the Lord.

  372. And there's actually a couple other

  373. passages I want to take you to as well

  374. that back this up. So, Philippians

  375. chapter 1:22-23,

  376. Paul says, "If I am to live in the

  377. flesh, that means fruitful labor for me.

  378. Yet which I shall choose I cannot tell.

  379. I am hard-pressed between the two.

  380. My desire is to depart and be with

  381. Christ for that is far better."

  382. And second,

  383. you might remember what Jesus said to

  384. the thief on the cross.

  385. Luke chapter 23:43,

  386. "Truly I say to you, today you will be

  387. with me in paradise."

  388. Paradise.

  389. I think we can say pretty confidently

  390. that the intermediate state is going to

  391. be so much better than life on this

  392. fallen Earth.

  393. It's possible that Paul's simply

  394. recognizing that there's just there's

  395. something unnatural and abnormal about

  396. existing without a body.

  397. And he certainly recognizes that there's

  398. something waiting for us beyond the

  399. intermediate state that's even better.

  400. I think it's helpful to think of the

  401. intermediate state kind of like

  402. Christmas Eve.

  403. Remember Christmas Eve when you were a

  404. kid? It's a time of joy. Christmas Eve

  405. is awesome, but it's a time of joyful

  406. anticipation.

  407. You're excited for what's going to come

  408. the next morning. You can barely sleep

  409. cuz you're so excited to open all those

  410. presents, right? That's kind of what the

  411. intermediate state is. It's this time of

  412. joyful anticipation for the day of the

  413. Lord, the resurrection of the dead and

  414. the new world.

  415. Now, before we learn more about the

  416. intermediate state, I actually want to

  417. clarify a couple errors and

  418. misunderstandings about what happens

  419. after we die.

  420. First,

  421. we will not be asleep or unconscious

  422. between our death and the final

  423. resurrection.

  424. That idea, which is also known as soul

  425. sleep, is a misunderstanding of a common

  426. biblical metaphor.

  427. And and show you in scripture. So, the

  428. Bible uses sleep as a euphemism for

  429. death quite frequently. Uh we see this

  430. really clearly in the story of Lazarus

  431. in the book of John. So, John chapter

    John 11 chapter mention

  432. 11, starting in verse 11,

  433. "After saying these things, Jesus said

  434. to his disciples, 'Our friend Lazarus

  435. has fallen asleep, but I go to awaken

  436. him.'"

  437. "The disciples said to him, 'Lord, if he

  438. has fallen asleep, he will recover.'"

  439. "Now, Jesus had spoken of his death, but

  440. they thought that he meant taking rest

  441. in sleep." "Then Jesus told them

  442. plainly, 'Lazarus has died.'"

  443. I think that's a really clear example,

  444. but we see this all throughout

  445. scripture. Sleep is used as a metaphor

  446. for death. It's a softer way to talk

  447. about a really harsh reality.

  448. I I think it's also an appropriate

  449. metaphor because for those who are in

  450. Christ, the intermediate state is

  451. temporary, just like sleep. When you go

  452. to bed at night, when you go to sleep,

  453. you have the expectation you're going to

  454. wake up in the morning. And so, in a

  455. similar sense, when we go into this

  456. intermediate state, even though we'll be

  457. fully conscious, we recognize it's a

  458. temporary state. We're going to awaken

  459. to something much better.

  460. If you're still not convinced, I I think

  461. those three passages we read earlier

  462. also make it pretty clear that at death,

  463. we go immediately to be with Christ

  464. consciously.

  465. In 2 Corinthians 5, Paul didn't say he

  466. would rather be away from the body and

  467. asleep. Said he would rather be away

  468. from the body and at home with the Lord.

  469. He didn't say in Philippians 1 that his

  470. desire was to depart and take a nap for

  471. a couple thousand years.

  472. And Jesus, of course, did not say to the

  473. thief on the cross, "Truly I say to you,

  474. one day, many, many years from now, you

  475. will awake with me in paradise."

  476. Soul sleep is the first common

  477. misconception about what happens after

  478. we die. The second is purgatory.

  479. I think that for all those same reasons,

  480. there isn't strong biblical grounds for

  481. believing in purgatory, either.

  482. If you're not familiar with it,

  483. Purgatory is the predominantly Catholic

  484. belief that

  485. some Christians will have to pass

  486. through some sort of purifying, purging

  487. state, intermediate state before they're

  488. fit to enter heaven.

  489. One of the primary passages that

  490. Catholics use to defend the doctrine of

  491. Purgatory is from the apocryphal book of

  492. Second Maccabees.

  493. That's not in our Protestant Bible. We

  494. believe it has historical significance.

  495. It's really interesting. It's

  496. fascinating to read, but it's not

  497. inspired scripture.

  498. Now, that passage in Second Maccabees,

  499. it's not the only passage that Catholics

  500. use to defend the doctrine of Purgatory,

  501. but the others don't make a convincing

  502. case for it. As we just read, I think

  503. the Bible's very clear that when

  504. believers die, they go immediately to be

  505. with Christ without any need for

  506. additional purification or purging.

  507. Now, let's talk about where we will be

  508. during the intermediate state.

  509. At the start of the sermon, I said that

  510. we're going to be in a place called the

  511. present heaven.

  512. Now, that's not like a strictly biblical

  513. term. If you look up present heaven in

  514. your Bible, you're not going to see that

  515. anywhere. I'm borrowing it from the

  516. Christian author Randy Alcorn because I

  517. think it's helpful because it

  518. distinguishes between the heaven that

  519. exists right now and the new heavens and

  520. the new earth where we're going to live

  521. for all eternity in our resurrection

  522. bodies after the day of the Lord. But

  523. since our focus is on the intermediate

  524. state, let's focus on the present

  525. heaven, the heaven that exists right now

  526. where we will go unless Christ comes

  527. back first. What is that heaven like

  528. right now?

  529. Well, first and most importantly, it is

  530. the place where God dwells.

  531. It's the place where God is. Now, God is

  532. omnipresent. He is everywhere at once.

  533. God fills every atom of this universe to

  534. the farthest reaches of the universe.

  535. Even though he is everywhere at once, he

  536. is present in a gloriously unique way in

  537. heaven.

  538. Heaven is where God dwells. It's where

  539. he's surrounded by his angels

  540. worshipping him.

  541. And from those passages where we read

  542. earlier, we know that heaven is also now

  543. where Jesus is in his physical body.

  544. In Acts chapter 7, Stephen

    Acts 7 chapter mention

  545. uh if you're not familiar with him, he

  546. was the first Christian martyr.

  547. Yeah, as he's dying, he sees heaven

  548. opened up before him. And it says in

  549. Acts 7:55, "But Stephen, full of the

    Acts 7:55

  550. Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw

  551. the glory of God and Jesus standing at

  552. the right hand of God."

  553. And he said, "Behold, I see the heavens

  554. opened and the Son of Man standing at

  555. the right hand of God."

  556. In Revelation chapter 6, and you can

    Revelation 6 chapter mention

  557. turn there if you have a Bible,

  558. we get a more robust picture

  559. of what heaven might look like for us in

  560. the intermediate state.

  561. Revelation chapter 6,

    Revelation 6 chapter mention

  562. I'll start reading in verse 9.

  563. When the Lamb opened the fifth seal,

  564. I saw under the altar the souls of those

  565. who had been slain for the word of God

  566. and for the witness they had borne.

  567. They cried out with a loud voice, "O

  568. sovereign Lord, holy and true, how long

  569. before you will judge and avenge our

  570. blood on those who dwell on the earth?"

  571. Then they were each given a white robe

  572. and told to rest a little longer until

  573. the number of their fellow servants and

  574. their brothers should be complete who

  575. were to be killed as they themselves had

  576. been.

  577. Now, we got to remember Revelation is

  578. full of symbolic imagery. Revelation uh

  579. is not always answering the questions

  580. that we are asking. We have to remember

  581. that, keep that in mind. But at the same

  582. time, I think these verses might have a

  583. lot to tell us about the intermediate

  584. state.

  585. If they do, they tell us that those who

  586. have died in Christ are fully conscious

  587. in the presence of the Lord

  588. and that they they have communion with

  589. God. They talk to God and God talks back

  590. to them.

  591. Those verses tell us that we will retain

  592. our memories from our lives on Earth.

  593. Our memories won't be wiped in heaven,

  594. but we'll retain our memories. Perhaps

  595. we'll our memories of our lives on Earth

  596. will be even clearer and sharper than

  597. ever when we are in heaven.

  598. The martyrs, we see that because the

  599. martyrs they they didn't forget that

  600. they were martyred for Christ. They knew

  601. what had happened to them in their lives

  602. on Earth. And then these verses they

  603. also tell us that we might even have

  604. some awareness of what's going on on

  605. Earth while we're in heaven.

  606. The martyrs are aware that they haven't

  607. yet been avenged by the Lord, that there

  608. is still evil on the face of the Earth.

  609. There's one last thing that you might

  610. have noticed here.

  611. Even though the martyrs are with God,

  612. they still seem to have what I would

  613. call a holy discontentment.

  614. They have a holy discontentment. They

  615. cry out with a loud voice, "Oh sovereign

  616. Lord, holy and true, how long before you

  617. will judge and avenge our blood on those

  618. who dwell on the Earth?"

  619. Even though they're now resting in the

  620. perfect peace of God,

  621. they long for justice. They long for

  622. every wrong to be made right. And they

  623. actually they plead with the Lord for

  624. it.

  625. You know, imagine that you go to war

  626. and while you're in combat you're

  627. injured.

  628. You're wounded and so you're brought

  629. back home and you're brought to a

  630. hospital to recover.

  631. Even though you're out of the fight for

  632. good and your new priority is simply to

  633. rest,

  634. not to fight,

  635. what would you be doing with your spare

  636. time? I I would imagine you'd still want

  637. to read the headlines. You'd want

  638. updates on the war. You would want to

  639. hear how it's going because you long for

  640. that final victory.

  641. You long for peace.

  642. In a similar way, I think these martyrs

  643. in Revelation 6, perhaps all believers

  644. in the intermediate state,

  645. we after we are out of the fight and

  646. that are in the presence of our God and

  647. our savior.

  648. I believe that there will still be

  649. perhaps a holy discontentment as we wait

  650. and long for the fulfillment of all

  651. things, for God to make all things new,

  652. for justice to extend to the ends of the

  653. universe.

  654. This intermediate state is kind of what

  655. we call in theology an already not yet.

  656. It's an already not yet because in one

  657. sense, we will already be in the

  658. presence of God

  659. and yet in another, we will not yet be

  660. in our new bodies. We will not yet

  661. be in our resurrected bodies on this

  662. resurrected earth after all things have

  663. been put under the dominion of Jesus

  664. Christ.

  665. But even if there's still some sort of

  666. longing or incompleteness in there in

  667. this intermediate state,

  668. we should absolutely still look forward

  669. to it just as Paul did. It's the place

  670. where God is. It's It's a place that

  671. Jesus called paradise.

  672. Now, word for paradise it in the in the

  673. Greek Septuagint, that's the Greek

  674. translation of the Old Testament that

  675. was around in Jesus's time. This word

  676. for paradise, it's the same word that's

  677. used for Eden.

  678. So, even if this intermediate state

  679. isn't literally like the Garden of Eden,

  680. it's being compared to it in a sense. It

  681. is a paradise, a place of rest.

  682. So, that's where the intermediate state

  683. is. It's in heaven in the presence of

  684. God. Now, now the next obvious question

  685. and maybe the one you're most curious

  686. about is this. Well, what are we going

  687. to do?

  688. What are we going to do in this

  689. intermediate state?

  690. I don't know with absolute certainty,

  691. but I think we can make some good

  692. biblically educated guesses here. So,

  693. let let me give you five

  694. to vary with varying degrees of

  695. confidence here. First, I'm the most

  696. confident about this one.

  697. I think we're going to worship God.

  698. Think about this.

  699. I don't think that we will be able to

  700. not worship God in this presence. I just

  701. can't imagine a scenario where I'm in

  702. heaven, disembodied or not, in the

  703. presence of God and I don't worship him.

  704. I think that we'll we'll just we'll want

  705. to.

  706. Even the martyrs in Revelation 6 seem to

  707. worship God in their cry for justice,

  708. right? They worship him. They say they

  709. call him sovereign Lord, holy and true.

  710. That's worshipful even as they're

  711. pleading for his intervention.

  712. Now, will we worship God constantly 24/7

  713. in heaven? I I don't know, but I know

  714. that if we do, I can guarantee it will

  715. be because there is nothing else you

  716. would rather do.

  717. If heaven is a constant worship service,

  718. you will not wish for anything

  719. different. Because remember, when you're

  720. with Christ, you will be free from

  721. everything and anything that inhibits or

  722. diminishes your worship right now.

  723. There'll be no obstacle between you and

  724. the worship of the Lord.

  725. You will want to worship him.

  726. That's the first one. We're going to

  727. worship God, I believe. Second, we will

  728. rest.

  729. We will rest.

  730. Just think about this for a moment. You

  731. will be able to say with the Apostle

  732. Paul, "I have fought the good fight.

  733. I have finished the race.

  734. I have kept the faith." And then you

  735. will get to rest in the presence of your

  736. king and savior. To know, "My ministry

  737. is complete.

  738. I sinned. I stumbled. It wasn't always

  739. pretty, but by God's grace and by God's

  740. grace alone, I am now in the presence of

  741. my savior, and nothing will ever take me

  742. from it."

  743. We're going to rest in the presence of

  744. God.

  745. Third,

  746. I think we'll probably have fellowship

  747. with each other.

  748. Now, I I don't really know exactly what

  749. fellowship looks like in a disembodied

  750. state, but if all Christians who die go

  751. to be with Christ, then it follows that

  752. we'll be there with each other as well.

  753. We're all going to be in the same place,

  754. gathered around Christ, and I think that

  755. fits the communal image that we're given

  756. in Revelation 6 as well.

  757. And if we're all together, and we all

  758. have our memories, then I I you can make

  759. a good case that in the intermediate

  760. state, we will also be reunited with our

  761. loved ones who've gone before us to

  762. Christ.

  763. I know that will absolutely be true in

  764. the new heavens and the new earth, but I

  765. don't see why it may not be true before

  766. then in the intermediate state as well.

  767. Fourth,

  768. this is a little bit more speculative,

  769. but I think it's possible that we will

  770. get to watch events as they unfold on

  771. the earth. Might get to be spectators of

  772. God's work in the world.

  773. The martyrs in Revelation 6, like I

  774. said, they seem to have some knowledge

  775. of what's taking place on earth.

  776. And then another important passage is in

  777. Hebrews. Hebrews chapter 12 verse 1 says

    Hebrews 12:1

  778. that we are surrounded by a great cloud

  779. of witnesses. And And it says that after

  780. spending a whole chapter describing the

  781. saints who have gone before us. That

  782. That is the great cloud of witnesses.

  783. Now, the meaning of that passage is

  784. debatable. There's a couple different

  785. interpretations.

  786. One possible interpretation though is

  787. that believers in heaven might have some

  788. ability to see or know about what's

  789. happening on earth.

  790. Now, am I saying that like when you get

  791. to heaven, you get like a free pair of

  792. gold binoculars and you can just watch

  793. earth like TV anytime you want?

  794. I don't know. That might be That might

  795. be a stretch.

  796. But I think we may very well be allowed

  797. to see some of what unfolds on earth.

  798. Or if we can't see it ourselves, perhaps

  799. God or his angels will tell us. Perhaps

  800. newly arrived souls in heaven will give

  801. us, you know, we'll just wait at the

  802. entrance. They'll be like, "Hey, what's

  803. what's going on down there?" You know, I

  804. I don't know. This is speculative, but I

  805. think it's possible.

  806. Fifth and finally,

  807. whatever it is like in the intermediate

  808. state,

  809. you will not be bored because you will

  810. be with God, and God is not boring.

  811. You got to hear that loud and clear.

  812. You will not be bored because you will

  813. be with God, and God is not boring.

  814. Now, listen, like you may have heard

  815. some boring sermons about God in your

  816. life. You may have read some boring

  817. books about God in your life, but God is

  818. not, never has, and never will be

  819. boring.

  820. He's just not. He is by his very nature

  821. the opposite of boring. He is the

  822. fountain, the source of all life, and

  823. all beauty, and all creativity. And so,

  824. that means that every un-boring thing

  825. you have ever experienced,

  826. everything that's ever taken your breath

  827. away, like the adrenaline rush of a

  828. roller coaster, the majesty of a lion's

  829. roar, the enormity of the Grand Canyon,

  830. the taste of a chocolate milkshake,

  831. holding your newborn son or daughter in

  832. your arms for the first time,

  833. all of those things flow from and point

  834. to the unchanging un-boringness of God.

  835. So, the question is this,

  836. how could being in the presence of the

  837. God who made all those things

  838. and a trillion others [snorts]

  839. possibly be boring?

  840. It's just not going to happen.

  841. And yet,

  842. even this intermediate state and all

  843. that's glory is going to be just a

  844. shadow compared to what comes after it,

  845. and I'm kind of jealous of Eric that he

  846. gets to preach on that. I'm just like

  847. just trying to put the ball on the tee

  848. for him here.

  849. Well, that's the intermediate state. At

  850. least everything that I think we can say

  851. confidently about it from the Bible.

  852. But my goal this morning,

  853. my goal in this sermon is not just to

  854. satisfy your curiosity for what happens

  855. when you die in Christ, but I I want you

  856. to be changed by this. I I want your

  857. life to be different because of this

  858. glorious reality. And so, with the time

  859. we have left, let's just get really

  860. practical.

  861. How should our knowledge of what's going

  862. to come after we die change our lives

  863. and change how we live?

  864. Here's the first point.

  865. Don't fear death.

  866. You've seen a glimpse this morning of

  867. what's waiting for you on the other side

  868. if you belong to Christ.

  869. Church, isn't it

  870. Isn't it incredible like to be in the

  871. presence of Christ, to worship him

  872. beside the saints who have gone before

  873. you, besides the angels who have known

  874. him before we existed, right? To finally

  875. rest from all the pain and suffering of

  876. this life.

  877. I mean, I was reminded of the of this

  878. this morning. Like 3 days ago I was

  879. hiking in Point Lobos and I got poison

  880. oak and I've got poison oak on my face

  881. and I'm like, "Man,

  882. I'm going to be free from poison oak.

  883. It's going to be great. No poison oak in

  884. heaven."

  885. How much more so for the suffering that

  886. you carry that's far, far more

  887. significant? The pain,

  888. the grief,

  889. man,

  890. it has an expiration date.

  891. How awesome is it going to be to get to

  892. look forward that after we're in this so

  893. much better state, to then be able to

  894. look forward to an even more glorious

  895. state, to receive resurrected bodies

  896. that'll never grow old or die again,

  897. to be with our savior in a resurrected

  898. earth.

  899. It's going to be incredible.

  900. You got to remember that God has safely

  901. walked every single one of his saints

  902. before you through the doorway of death

  903. into everlasting life.

  904. You're not going to be the first person

  905. who faces death.

  906. You're not going to be the first person

  907. God carries safely into his arms.

  908. Remember that. He will not abandon you.

  909. He will be faithful to the end.

  910. No matter how he takes you home,

  911. whether it's tomorrow or it's a hundred

  912. years from now,

  913. whether it takes seconds,

  914. minutes,

  915. days, weeks, months, or years, whether

  916. it's painful or painless, however God

  917. takes you home, the moment you depart

  918. from your body, you will be at home with

  919. the Lord and he will hold your hand with

  920. you every single second until that

  921. moment.

  922. You're taken care of, church. You guys

  923. you're you're covered in Christ.

  924. Hebrews 2:14 says, "Since therefore the

    Hebrews 2:14

  925. children share in flesh and blood, Jesus

  926. himself likewise partook of the same

  927. things, that through death he might

  928. destroy the one who has the power of

  929. death, that is the devil, and deliver

  930. all those who through fear of death were

  931. subject to lifelong slavery."

  932. Fearing death is a form of slavery, and

  933. Jesus died to set us free from it.

  934. He's defeated death, and because he's

  935. defeated death, because the grave

  936. couldn't hold him, because death

  937. literally vomited Jesus out 3 days after

  938. he died, because he had no claim on him,

  939. because of that, you no longer have to

  940. be enslaved to the fear of death.

  941. You don't have to.

  942. You know what's waiting for you on the

  943. other side. And so, brother and sister

  944. in Christ,

  945. dying might be scary,

  946. but death is not scary.

  947. We know where we are going, don't we?

  948. That's the first point. Don't fear

  949. death. Second,

  950. don't neglect the work that God still

  951. has for you in this life.

  952. Don't neglect the work that God still

  953. has for you before you die.

  954. I read it earlier, but Philippians

    Philippians 1:22

  955. chapter 1, verse 22, Paul said, "If I am

  956. to live in the flesh, that means

  957. fruitful labor for me.

  958. Yet which I shall choose I cannot tell.

  959. I am hard-pressed between the two. My

  960. desire is to be with depart and be with

  961. Christ, for that is far better."

  962. So, Paul wanted to depart and be with

  963. Christ, but he was really torn up over

  964. this.

  965. And the reason he was torn up is because

  966. he knew that that would mean the end of

  967. his labor, his fruitful labor here on

  968. this earth.

  969. Christian, when you die,

  970. your ministry is completed.

  971. You will not share the gospel with an

  972. unbeliever again. You will not bring a

  973. meal to your fellow church member again.

  974. You will never teach another Sunday

  975. school lesson.

  976. It's done.

  977. So, the point is,

  978. make the most of however much time the

  979. Lord gives you, knowing that you might

  980. have less than you might think. All

  981. right, we don't know when Jesus is going

  982. to take us home.

  983. Lay up for yourselves treasures in

  984. heaven.

  985. Live with these eternal realities in

  986. mind. Don't get too caught up in the

  987. things of this earth. Remember where

  988. you're going.

  989. Here's a a deep question for you.

  990. If the Lord took you home right now,

  991. would you feel like you had any

  992. unfinished business?

  993. Or maybe more specifically, if the Lord

  994. took you home right now, would you feel

  995. like you have any unfinished ministry?

  996. Are there people in your life you've

  997. been trying to work up the courage

  998. to invite to church?

  999. Is there someone in this church, in this

  1000. room, who you've been wanting to

  1001. encourage or bless for a while, but you

  1002. just haven't gotten around to it yet?

  1003. Is there a sin

  1004. you've never asked your spouse or your

  1005. parent or your child or your friend to

  1006. forgive you for?

  1007. And it's like it's something where

  1008. you've both moved on past it, but you've

  1009. never actually addressed it. You've

  1010. never actually healed the wound. You've

  1011. just kind of let the scar tissue form

  1012. over it.

  1013. You know, ultimately,

  1014. we're all going to die with unfinished

  1015. ministry, right? And

  1016. and and that's okay.

  1017. We can rest knowing that Jesus is going

  1018. to build his church and the gates of

  1019. hell will not prevail against us.

  1020. Church, it's not all on us,

  1021. right?

  1022. Jesus is going to He's going to lead his

  1023. church. He is the great shepherd. But

  1024. remember that as long as you are still

  1025. on this earth breathing, Jesus has work

  1026. for you to do.

  1027. As long as you are still here and

  1028. breathing, Jesus has work for you. And

  1029. that's true whatever your season of life

  1030. and whatever your circumstances.

  1031. I mean, it's true even if you are

  1032. watching this from home because of

  1033. chronic pain or illness or something

  1034. else going on that just makes coming in

  1035. person impossible. Maybe your ministry,

  1036. if that's you,

  1037. is just to pray for others, to send

  1038. encouraging texts. Maybe your ministry

  1039. is actually letting other people

  1040. minister to you.

  1041. Because when you let us bless you, we

  1042. are blessed.

  1043. If God hasn't called you home yet, the

  1044. question is, what has he called you to?

  1045. And third,

  1046. if you haven't decided to follow Jesus

  1047. yet,

  1048. I challenge you to lean in a little bit

  1049. closer.

  1050. Lean in a little bit closer. Like you

  1051. you might not believe that a word of

  1052. what I just said is true. Okay, that's

  1053. that's fair.

  1054. But let me ask you, is there a part of

  1055. you that wants it to be true?

  1056. I mean, like, wouldn't that be awesome?

  1057. Wouldn't it be awesome if this world was

  1058. more than just the product of random

  1059. chance?

  1060. Wouldn't it be awesome if there really

  1061. was a good and loving and sovereign God

  1062. who is going to make all things new?

  1063. Wouldn't it be awesome to know that when

  1064. you face death,

  1065. you aren't going into oblivion and

  1066. nothingness,

  1067. but rather you'll be falling into the

  1068. arms of your savior

  1069. to enjoy him forever? Because at his

  1070. right hand are pleasures forevermore.

  1071. Wouldn't it be awesome if God made a way

  1072. through the death and resurrection of

  1073. his son for you to be saved from your

  1074. sin so that nothing could keep you from

  1075. that eternal hope?

  1076. If any part of you resonates with that,

  1077. wants it to be true, dares to wonder if

  1078. it might actually be true, I challenge

  1079. you,

  1080. take another step forward.

  1081. I mean, you're you're already here.

  1082. You're already in church.

  1083. Why not try reading the Bible for

  1084. yourself?

  1085. Matthew, Mark, Luke, or John, those are

  1086. four books of the New Testament that

  1087. talk about Jesus' life. I encourage you,

  1088. just

  1089. pick one of those. Try reading one of

  1090. them.

  1091. Learn about who Jesus is from Jesus

  1092. himself.

  1093. Maybe you don't really pray, or you've

  1094. never prayed before. Why don't you try

  1095. praying?

  1096. It's it's not complicated. You don't

  1097. have to say some magic words to make it

  1098. get through to God. You know, God God

  1099. knows your heart. You can pray out loud.

  1100. You can pray in the silence of your own

  1101. heart, and he hears you.

  1102. Why not try coming to some more church

  1103. events?

  1104. Get to know some more Christians.

  1105. I I can speak for the folks here.

  1106. They're This isn't like a a super

  1107. spiritual Christian-only club here. I

  1108. mean, like the people here would love to

  1109. welcome you in, particularly if you're

  1110. not a Christian. I mean, if you if you

  1111. went up to Josh and said, "Hey, I'm not

  1112. a Christian, but I just want to

  1113. I want to keep coming here and keep

  1114. learning about this Jesus guy." I mean,

  1115. Josh would be like so excited. So,

  1116. I just lean in closer. Get to know some

  1117. more Christians. Invite them into your

  1118. life.

  1119. Tell them about who you are.

  1120. If you do that,

  1121. if you lean in and take some more steps

  1122. forward, I really really believe that

  1123. you're going to see that all of this

  1124. actually is true.

  1125. It really is true. There really is a God

  1126. who really sent his son to die for us,

  1127. and we really can spend eternity with

  1128. him when we believe in his son by faith.

  1129. Church, we may not comprehend all that

  1130. God has in store for us

  1131. when we die or when he returns.

  1132. But, I can promise you it is going to be

  1133. incredible.

  1134. It's going to be glorious.

  1135. Let's pray.