Conversation - with Pastor Jared & Pastor Robby - Kingdom Relationship Launch

Welcome to the Church of the Lakes Kingdom Conversations Podcast.

At Church of the Lakes, our mission is connecting all to Christ to become healthy in God and courageous in love.

In 2026, we're emphasizing a kingdom mindset in all of our ministries and missions by being more like Jesus and countercultural in our lives.

Today's podcast launches our newest sermon series, Kingdom Relationships.

Join Pastor Jared and Pastor Robbie as they talk about the overreaching themes of this study and how a kingdom mindset will affect every relationship we have.

And now, here's Pastor Robbie and Pastor Jared.

Be blessed.

Welcome to another Kingdom Conversations.

I'm Pastor Robbie Strack, and today we are launching our next sermon series called Kingdom Relationships.

Over the past couple and several months, we've been asking what it means to live under the rule and reign of King Jesus.

And especially during our study of James, we discovered that kingdom wisdom isn't simply knowing the truth, it's more so about living it out.

And faith becomes visible then in our words, our action, our humility, that's a tough one for me, and our obedience.

And as we turn the page, we're asking another important question.

Here it is, setting it up on a T.

What happens when kingdom people live in kingdom relationships?

And to help us unravel some of the scriptures that are going to guide this conversation over the next several weeks and the theology, the application points is my buddy Pastor Jared.

How are you doing, Jared?

I'm doing well.

Thank you.

Well, I'm excited to get into the application of kingdom relationships because it's all about people, isn't it?

I love it.

Yeah.

It's a you say it's a broken record.

I'm sorry, you're the LP, the scratch on the record player.

We are the one another religion, right?

We are the one another religion.

And relationships, it gets messy, it gets dirty, it gets real, certainly.

And as we've just concluded talking about kingdom wisdom through James, Jared, how does kingdom relationships naturally build on this topic that we've been going through over the last several months?

What do you think?

Yeah, well, I just, you know, James taught us what kingdom wisdom looks like in everyday life.

Uh-huh.

And so real wisdom isn't just what you know, it's how you live.

Uh, and one of the greatest places that wisdom is tested is in our relationships.

Yeah, you can't help uh read James and notice how much he speaks about our words, our conflicts, things like favoritism, forgiveness, humility, serving others.

Uh, so this series really is asking the question: what does kingdom wisdom look like when we live with other people?

Ooh, I like that.

All right, so the Christian life has never been a solo journey.

Uh, I love what Brian Pastor Brian says is there's two things you can't do on your own, get married and be a Christian.

Uh, it is not a solo journey.

We are saved into a family.

Yeah, and that's such a um a welcoming invitation to people because certainly, as we've discovered throughout the book of James, our intro to the series that many people were probably sick of hearing by the end was we've have a plethora of information, yep.

And an exponential amount at our fingertips, right?

But how much wisdom do we really starving for wisdom?

Well, relationships then, Jared.

Could we say the same thing?

We've never been more in contact or uh with people across the globe, but we've never been further apart in real relationships.

What do you think about that?

Well, I think you're right.

We live in a culture that is more connected digitally than ever.

Yeah, sure.

I mean, like you said, I could go on my phone right now and FaceTime a dear friend of mine in Israel.

You know, and it's just we're so connected digitally.

However, with much to your point, I uh what I see with people in our particularly the American culture, they've never felt more lonely.

More connected, but yet more lonely.

Um, yeah.

So why do you think relationships should be such an important focus for our church right now?

Maybe let's make it practical to our time and era, not just all times and eras, although it certainly is, I'm sure we could argue that.

But why do you think it's so important to move on to this right now?

Healthy churches are built out of healthy relationships.

Okay.

So maybe the push is where do you think we're going to discover a healthy relationship in Christ looks like, Jared?

In the church, within within the church community, we want to take those like we talked about several weeks ago.

You know, the the health of any church uh starts within the family.

And so how can we take what we're learning within the church into our families?

And when those families become healthy, neighborhoods become healthy, when neighborhoods become healthy, cities become healthy, cities to nations, nations to the world.

And we, you know, the concentric circle that we love so much.

Yeah.

Healthy churches are built on healthy by through in healthy relationships.

I'm just so excited to focus on the relational aspect of Christ because certainly we find a relationship with him that is so unique and so powerful that certainly it should overflow into the ways we relate with one another, right?

Um, you know, Jared, there was a couple years ago when you and I were leading a Bible study that we did, I think it was Francis Chan's Crazy Love, yeah.

It's probably his best book.

He had this unique illustration, and man, I hope I hope this is correct.

Is he the fountain?

Is he the fountain illustration of love?

Of how when you love God first in the fountain, the top tier, that it overflows to the next tier and to the next tier and to the next tier.

I'm gonna have to trust you on that one.

I can't I can't recall.

So so if if we if you don't like the illustration of concentric circles, which I adore, but if you think of a fountain illustration with a uh a five-tier fountain, right, with a small bowl on top, and then the next larger bowl beneath it, so on and so forth, you're the way that Christ's love is so powerful that if you love him first in this top layer, it's going to overflow to the second bowl, which is your spouse.

So the way I kind of described it is our most effective ministry to one another is out of the overflow of Christ in us.

Yes.

Which is what you're saying with this Fatlin illustration.

But but if you get the bowls all mixed up, for instance, the the five layers is simply put is Christ, um, God alone, and then it's your spouse, your family, and then it's your first ministry, which is your work.

I think people miss that oftentimes when they think that.

And then it's your hobbies, your recreation, and stuff like that as the bottom, right?

Yeah, I don't know if that was Francis Chan or Chip Ingram.

Oh, maybe it was Chip with balancing life's demands.

Okay.

And we've done so many studies over here.

We mix up the illustrations, which makes me laugh.

But I wanted to bring it up here because certainly over this series, we're gonna touch things like marriage, we're gonna touch things like family, we're gonna touch things like friends, and which spills over into our work and our hobbies and so on and so forth.

So I certainly think it's applicable.

And here's the thing too oftentimes people get discouraged uh if we talk about marriage in a church setting and they're not married, right?

Yeah.

Um, but I think there are relationships that pivot like that, right?

Well, you know, maybe the way to pitch this whole entire series, Jared, could you summarize down maybe into one sentence what we're really gonna focus on here as we go through kingdom relationships?

I would just say learning to love people the way Jesus loves people.

Yeah, that's good.

You know, and so it's so in kind of in a in a you know, as a visionary leader, I would say as our church continues to grow the way it is, uh, we don't want to just become a larger church, but a deeper family, if that makes sense.

So and we part of that is learning to love the way Jesus loved people.

Right?

So our our witness to the community depends really on how we love one another within the church.

I I love the one another religion idea because you know, really what that means to me is that we are to create such healthy community with within the church that it compels a watching world to want to come be part of it.

Yeah.

And if we can it's convicted, if we can love uh each other within the church the way Jesus loves people, then those outside are gonna want to come be a part of it because there's so I mean you you look at the different uh spaces in uh in our culture, in our country, there's a lot of unhealthy relationships out there.

And the church really needs to be that place that that that has the the the hand uh handle on how to be a healthy relationship because we're following a perfect savior, you know, who who gives us a spirit that can help us not to say that it's there's never issues, but there's issues that can get resolved because uh we follow a perfect savior who who's taught us how to resolve issues when issues arise.

So, Jared, would you say the most difficult part maybe about this series, whether it's theologically, whether it's mindset, as we're talking about a kingdom mindset, or kingdom actions, being a kingdom builder, has to be that it's so countercultural.

100%.

Yeah.

Okay, so with that in mind, at all the different layers of relationships that a person can have, what maybe what are some of the highlights of the of the countercultural ways that Jesus, you know, we started off the year talking about the Sermon on the Mount.

Is it simply going to the Beatitudes and looking at how Jesus uh counterculturally?

Yeah, I think in part it's that.

Okay.

Um it's it's continuing to reiterate and continue to add deeper layers to things we've maybe learned in the Sermon on the Mount.

You know, I I miss thinking like when somebody wrongs you, it's not retribution, it's forgiveness.

Yeah, but the world says differently, doesn't it?

Exactly.

And I laugh and chuckle because if you don't laugh, you either cry, right?

Yeah, yeah.

That truly is the way of our world.

It is.

You know, we you know, the world pursues stepping on people to get ahead.

That's not the way of Christ.

You know, we're the we're countercultural and that we'll humble ourselves, you know.

Um that's not weakness in any way, shape, no, not at all.

It's actually, you know, it's when we're confident in Christ, in our relationship with Christ, we're we don't we're not as affected by some of the system value systems of the world.

Because a lot of those value systems of the world are built on insecurity of identity, may maybe uh you know, at its its root.

But when we have a firm confident identity in Christ, well it's okay if I get passed over that promotion, you know?

It's okay if I don't make as much money as a person next to me makes.

It's okay that my car is a tin can on wheels, you know, so on and so forth.

You know.

Uh thank you, Jared.

Yeah, I appreciate your uh way of summarying summarizing it to help us uh, you know, get it.

And I'm sure most people understand that uh our culture and our world sets unrealistic expectations for where relationships are supposed to be.

Um, you know, oftentimes, don't you think it's fair to say that we'll place unfair expectations on on people uh because of their relationships?

Like there's often times that I know you and I as pastors, we've had conversations with people who think if I just get married, it's gonna fix this problem, that problem, and this problem.

Or work that way.

Or have kids or whatever it may be.

Um yeah.

As we're as we're just sitting here kind of talking, yeah.

Um I you know, I made the comment that if I could summarize it in one sentence, I would say it's learn to love people like Jesus loves people.

Maybe another way to say it that I really like is kingdom relationships flourish when Jesus Christ is king of every relationship.

Ooh, okay.

Can we flush that out a little bit?

Yeah, kingdom relationships flourish when Jesus Christ is king of every relationship.

So whether it's in the home, if Jesus is king of your marriage, your marriage is gonna thrive.

Yeah, if Jesus is king of your relationships with your children, they're gonna thrive.

Yeah.

If Jesus is king of the relationships you have with your colleagues, they're gonna flourish and thrive, and so on and so forth.

It's just you know, put Jesus as king over a different uh type of relationship and it's gonna flourish and thrive because Christ is the king of it.

Um but so often we and that's this whole year with kingdom of God and and being kingdom builders, is so often we want to take the the the the spot of king, and that's why surrender has been such a big theme this year.

It has to be surrender, it's a it's a daily relinquishing to Christ.

And and and it just it life works when you do it that way.

And I say that not only from from a theological and biblical standpoint, but just from personal experience where I have relinquished the keys to the kingdom to Jesus, where I have given him the driver's seat, you know, have surrendered that place to him, life works.

Where I've tried to take it back, something falls apart.

Um just how it is.

Yeah, I I'm sure I I said uh several weeks ago in church how we were not built with the capacity or the ability to carry the weight of being king.

Oh wow, yeah, that's true.

Only Jesus was built with the capacity and the ability to carry the weight of being a king.

And when we allow him the seat that belongs only to him, that's when life, that's when relationships flourish.

Yeah, I know that uh you would agree with this, but certainly the best way for Jared to be a husband is to love Jesus first and foremost.

And to be a father, it's to love Jesus first and foremost.

And certainly that's a big emphasis when it comes to relationships, is the personal thing.

But then, as you also just said, it's to let Jesus reign over that relationship.

What does that look like then?

Allowing Jesus to reign over a relationship means that it doesn't just reign in your life, but in the other person's life too, right?

Yeah, I mean he has to it's a both and when it can be.

Okay, but sometimes the other person isn't yet a follower of Christ.

Absolutely.

In the hope is that your witness in the way you carry yourself, the way you surrender and relinquish to Christ can compel that person to want to also be.

Well, that I think I think that's why it's important to remember that Jesus didn't come to improve our relationships, quote unquote.

He came to establish a kingdom, right?

So, but it's going to change the way that we have relationships, right?

Um, why do you think that's so important?

That's important because it's really a heart issue.

You know, we we you know, in in past sermons and and talks we've had, we've talked about how, you know, following Christ isn't primarily behavior modification, it's heart transformation.

Yeah, it's funny how it's not a checklist.

We're supposed to just go down.

It starts with the heart.

And so we're not just trying to modify our behavior so we're nicer people.

We're changing a broken heart and with the power of Jesus making it whole.

And that eventually, you know, part of the fruit of that is we're going to be nicer people.

But it's not because we're willing it, it's because that is now who we are.

And so we're really living in these relationship dynamics and tensions with who we are in Christ, not trying to force something mechanically or by our will.

Yeah, yeah.

Um, okay, then let's shift a little bit to an application point, then, Jared.

Yeah.

If you could sit down over, let's say, a Diet Coke, because you don't drink coffee with every person at Church or Lakes.

What encouragement would you leave them with about following Jesus in their relationships?

First thing I would say is don't give up on people too quickly.

Oh wow.

Okay, so that you and I are both very passionate about this.

Yeah.

Certainly there are consequences to people's actions, right?

There are.

However, no one should ever be canceled in the eyes of God, right?

No.

So never giving up.

I hope people in our culture are hearing that statement.

Well, we're so quick, easy to cast aspersions upon people who have made uh actions that have consequences, right?

Yeah.

Um yeah, but when it comes to the kingdom of God, and I I've said this a lot, that you know, in the kingdom of God, no action is unforgivable and no person is irredeemable.

Amen.

You know, Jesus has come to to make all people new and to save all people who choose to surrender to him as Lord and Savior.

Now, certainly there's consequences to people.

Yeah, there's earthly consequences, but it doesn't have to be spiritual.

Jesus, you know, there's not no no one is irredeemable in the sight of the sight of the Lord.

That's why Jesus came.

You know, that's why he went to the cross and shed his blood.

Uh, you know, you know, he he did so to pay the debt and forgive the vilest thing about each and every one of us, you know.

Yeah.

Anyways, keep going.

Just to just say, you know, this encouragement, you know, not to quote unquote cancel people out um in our relationships.

I think that's extremely wise.

I think that comes from a lot of what we learned in in James is certainly um who are we to be judge and ruler when there is a judge and ruler overall.

Um you're making me think, you know, don't give up on people too quickly.

I'm reminding myself of uh an evangelist, a traveling evangelist named Joel Goddard, who was a lead speaker at a uh a retreat I took a bunch of teenagers on.

Okay.

And he tells a story about a woman who uh you know married an unbeliever and for 25 years asked him to come to church with her every week.

And every day he's every week he said no.

And there was a special uh service happening on a Friday, it was a Friday or Saturday, and she asked him again, Will you come with me?

And he goes, I'll tell you what.

If you promise to never ask me to go to church with you again, I'll come to church with you tonight.

And she said, Absolutely.

And uh he's sitting in church with her, they're up in the balcony, and before the service starts, he leans over and he whispers to her, I'll tell you what, if somebody does push-ups in the middle of this church service, I'll give my life to Christ.

And Joel Goddard, you know, is down on the main floor worshiping the Lord in the middle of the worship service, he hears the Lord say to him, I want you to step out in the aisle and start doing push-ups.

That would be a stretch for a lot of people to do in the middle of the worship service.

It absolutely was for him.

So he goes, he's thinking, This is not of the Lord, this is of the devil.

There's no way the Lord wants me to do push-ups in the middle of this church service.

Well, this the spirit's voice just kept getting louder and louder, and he was getting more distracted, and he goes, I'm just gonna do it.

And so he gets down in the middle of the aisle and he, you know, he pretends to fall prostrate because a lot of people, that's how you they worship in the biblical witness.

And so he he falls down the floor, you know, head to the floor, and he slips his hands underneath him and starts doing these subtle push-ups to kind of be obedient to what the spirit is compelling him to do.

And this guy in the row next to him starts counting out every number that he's doing.

There was no uh hiding there.

There was no hiding this.

Well, after the worship set was over, this guy in a tank top, tears in his eyes, walks up on stage, asks for the microphone.

Well, long story short, it was this guy up in the balcony with his wife telling a story about what just happened.

He gave his life to Jesus on stage that day.

Yeah.

I I tell this story for a number of reasons.

One, the the Holy Spirit's remarkable, yeah, right.

And you know, people may scoff and not believe that story, but I mean it's as true as it came out of Joel Goddard's mouth.

But what I find so cool about that story is that wife for 25 years persistently kept asking her husband to come, and I'm sure she prayed for him every single day that he'd find Jesus.

She didn't give up on him quickly.

You know, she she did the hard work of faithfully and consistently praying and inviting, praying and inviting, and he finally went, and something miraculous happens, and he gives his life to the Lord Jesus.

It reminds me of the Cole story, even of Billy Graham.

Yeah.

When he and a buddy went to a tent revival, they showed up and it was so full that uh it appeared to them there were no seats left.

Yeah.

So they went in uh and looked around and went on their way out, and an usher stopped them.

And uh this this ragtag group of boys or whatever, and he was like, Hey, hey young man, can I help you find some seats?

And uh they went down, gave their lives to Jesus that day at that tent revival, yeah, and the rest is history with Billy Graham, but certainly the people.

With hear that story thinking, oh, it's whatever the pastor at the tent revival.

But I mean, where would they be without that usher?

I think he uh led him to the front front pew, right?

Where they they sat and listened to worship and then, like you said, gave his life to Jesus that day and the rest is history.

Well, it's funny, you know, Jared, I think there's these moments in which we have opportunities to speak life into people and to share a gospel witness.

And sometimes it's as simple as taking someone's hand and leading them into a healing service.

Yeah.

Where there's a lot of skepticism, certainly, and and a lot of sighs and anguish and uh laments.

But you know, Jared, uh, my heart goes out that it's sometimes in relationships where you take a risk to share Jesus Christ, that all of a sudden the conviction, like you said, of the Holy Spirit works its magic.

It's like setting it spreading seed and it's not a good thing.

I mean, the Lord is alive and active today.

There's no question about it.

Something else I would say, not only don't give up on people too quickly, but also let grace have the final word.

You know, we we were given this undeserved merit this undeserved merit from the living God.

I think we we we have a duty to to to extend that to other people too.

Absolutely.

So regardless of how anything shakes out, let grace have the final word.

Uh pursue reconciliation when possible.

You know, Paul talks about that in Romans 12.

As far as it depends on you, live at peace with one another, right?

Uh seek reconciliation and relationship.

Uh like you're saying, invest deeply in Christian community.

Uh, Christian community is one of God's greatest gifts given to his people.

Amen.

It truly is.

And and I I mourn the way people dismiss the necessity of the church in their life and in their walk with the Lord.

I know you're a big uh fan of Barnabas in the scriptures because he's a huge encourager, encourager.

Yeah.

Certainly that means externally, but also internally to lift one another up in prayer and certainly other and other uh meaningful ways of words of encouragement, words of affirmation, even.

Yeah.

Um thanks, Jared.

Thanks for walking us through a little bit of what we're going to be going through with these kingdom relationships.

Certainly, just like wisdom, it's one of these things where uh application-wise, we all have relationships and we're all searching for wisdom.

This should be an easy way to apply to our lives, but oh so hard to live out.

Yes.

And as we and you've prepared for this series, Jared, part of our real question, real answer segment question this week is really about how God has personally challenged you to build up a relationship.

Could you share with us an instance of where are you thinking God's leading you maybe in this season to build up a relationship?

Well, I think it's you know something I'm hoping to convey during the series is just simply that healthy relationships require intentionality.

You don't drift toward health in relationships.

You usually drift towards neglect and isolation.

Apathy, yeah.

Yeah, apathy.

And so there has to be some intentionality on our part to to do the work necessary to forge deep connection with one another.

Um God personally has challenged me to be more present with family instead of just simply be instead of just simply being available.

So again, making intentional, taking intentional steps to be be present for my family.

Something I started years ago with my kids, and I'm so glad I did it.

Yeah.

Every Saturday morning I I have a non-negotiable where I take one of my four kids out to breakfast just one-on-one time with dad.

That's just because you want waffles from Panna chocolate chip pancakes from the Twisted Cafe in North Canton.

Give them a little bit of a No, I say it in jest because you've been doing this for a long time.

For years.

And the kids actually, it's funny because the kids will actually argue with each other over whose turn it is not.

So it's been it's been such rich time for me.

It's been expensive, but I see it more as a return on investment.

Like, you know, I'm investing into this relationship that matters, right?

And I want the kids to know that their dad loves them unconditionally, is here for him, available, doing present for them.

And uh, I've had over playing Uno with my kids on Saturday morning, we've had some incredibly deep discussions about faith, yeah, about the Lord, about issues they're facing with with friends.

Like, you know, my 15-year-old son uh you know had me on.

He was just sharing some really personal stuff about some of his family or friend dynamics.

I'm like, well, I've never he never would have done this with me.

I mean, I remember being 15, right?

Like there's things you don't want to tell him, Mom and Dad, but he's just candid and open with me.

And it's because he he sees me, we've we've forged a deep relationship, and I'm a safe person.

I'm not gonna judge him and love him unconditionally.

And that that only takes that only happens when you you put in the time and effort necessary to make that happen.

Yeah, it's funny that you mentioned that.

It reminds me of uh conversations I have with my own sons who are a little bit uh younger at 12 and 10, but um oftentimes in the fall we'll go to a football game.

And uh my I treasure those moments, uh, not because of the high school football.

I want to be clear about that, uh, especially local high school football uh that we attend, but there are moments where we're stuck in traffic on the highway, yeah, waiting for an exit, whatever.

There are meaningful conversations that we have in those moments, and I cannot um I don't think I can do a great job of explaining it to my wife sometimes when we get home how important those moments are for me.

Yeah.

Um, because we talk about, you know, something silly at first, but it leads to a deeper question, and it's like, yeah, we're present with one another with nothing else to do, there's no screen in front of us, you know.

Uh we can have real life conversations, which is which is great.

Let me share one more story.

I'd love it.

Yeah, let's hear it.

There's something with this kingdom relationships that I think is gonna be important.

It's just it's a reminder that every relationship is an opportunity to reflect Christ.

And I took my my oldest son, Elias, down to a um superhero exhibit down in Columbus.

This was a couple years ago, wasn't it?

A couple years ago.

Yeah, I remember this.

On the way down, my tire was going low, so I had to stop at a gas station and fill it up.

Well, we get into the convention center, we get out, I got a flat tire.

Oh no.

I mean, uh Columbus is a good when you're going a little over the speed limit, it takes a good two hours to get home, right?

Absolutely.

Well, I'm like, I could have been really ticked off at this moment, but I'm like, this one, I'm gonna make this a teachable moment for my son and teach him how to change a tire, but I'm also gonna try to make this as fun as possible.

And so I taught him how to change a tire, but now we're on 77 going back home at 35, 40 miles an hour.

We're just having a ball together, just laughing and listening to music and talking about how ridiculous this is, and uh get back, it's way too late.

But but Longhorn Steakhouse was still open and he loves steak, so let's go do some steak together.

We missed dinner, you know?

And so we made it in, and he remembers that as being a really enjoyable time, even though I'm thinking, oh, you know, four hours to get back from Columbus on a donut.

But that was an opportunity to reflect Christ and to forge deeper relationship with him.

You and I have a great passion against driving.

Yeah, I can't stand driving.

It has nothing to do with us, of course.

It has everything to do with us, exactly, exactly.

Well, that was a time I did it right, you know.

And well, thank you, Jared.

You know, there will certainly be moments, I hope, in this sermon series, as we kick it off talking about, like you said in Romans 12, how we can live at peace with everyone.

We'll talk about marriage, we'll talk about um certain other important relationships that certainly hits multiple different eras and times and people.

Um, I hope people can take this as an opportunity to be intentional, like you said, about breathing uh and letting Jesus reign over that relationship.

Yes.

And then certainly um to maybe think about where maybe apathy has sat in, maybe in a season of or distraction.

Yeah.

Or too distracted by shocking.

Or busy or biz off.

Yeah, as Pastor Brian uh, and it certainly has been uh quoted by all of us here, is as busy.

It's uh um being under Satan's yoke.

Yeah, I like that acronym because certainly uh we find seasons of life where we're quote unquote busy and then we look back and wonder why, why, you know.

Um well, thank you, Jared.

Thanks for helping us to launch this series.

If you have a question you'd like to submit as part of our uh real question, real answer segment, you can please email us at podcast at churchalakes.org.

Um, thank you so much time uh for your time, Jared.

I'm so appreciative of it.

Thank you.

Um but before we go, I want to, of course, say a big thank you to Betsy, our director of communication, Len Brown, our chief editor, encourager, and to my wife Stephanie, who helps get this up on our social media platforms.

And if you want to reach out, give us some feedback, we'd love to hear it from you.

Once again, send an email to me at podcast at churchthelakes.org.

And before we go, please remember that it's our mission as followers and disciples of Jesus to connect all to Christ, to become healthy in God and courageous in love.

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