Sermon
God’s Mission: Revelation 4–7 | February 25th, 2026
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This last Sunday morning, we looked at
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every tribe, every tongue, and every
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nation. And that idea, every tribe,
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every tongue, and every think about the
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sermon from Sunday, every tribe, every
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tongue, and every nation, right? And
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that phrase really is isolated
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to where in the Bible? That phrase is
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isolated to where in the Bible?
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Somebody said, "Is that a trick
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question?"
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So, if you were listening Sunday, is
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that a trick question?
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>> Well, it sort of is.
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every tribe, every tongue, every nation.
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Maybe the phrase
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is in Revelation, but the concept we
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looked at Sunday is where in the Bible
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>> all through the Bible for the purple
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jelly bean. Who can tell me where we see
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that concept? every tribe, every tongue,
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every nation with God. Where is the
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first hint that salvation is for
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everybody in the Bible? Where is that?
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>> Oh, Genesis. Can Okay, for the double
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purple jelly bean, who can tell me what
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chapter?
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>> Genesis 12. Can somebody tell me, Nick
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Peron, can you tell me what is the big
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deal about Genesis 12? Speak up real
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loud.
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>> God's promise to save the nations.
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to who?
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>> And he's speaking to
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>> Abram, right?
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>> Yeah. Excellent. Good job. Put you on
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the spot. I didn't tell you I was going
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to call on you. So, there you go. It's
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the first place where we really see
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what God's plan is for everybody.
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And it's that's Genesis 12 is a big
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deal. It should be marked in your Bible.
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If it's not marked in your Bible, open
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it up and go find those verses and mark
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it in your Bible because that's that's
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where we start to see don't mark it in
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the Pew Bible. That's not your Bible.
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But it is it really is a an extreme.
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It's a watershed passage on our
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understanding of what God's plan is. And
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so we saw that. Do you see the out the
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outline there? The the review a little
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bit. We said God's global purpose from
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Genesis to Revelation. It starts off
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with God's promise. God promised a
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global redemption and then the prophets
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foretold a global gathering. What do I
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mean by that? The prophets, what what
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where's that? New Testament or Old
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Testament?
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>> That's Old Testament. And what were the
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prophets doing?
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They're prophesying. Nice.
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>> Yes, they were prophesying. What does
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that mean? What were they doing?
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>> Speaking.
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>> They were speaking for God. And what was
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a lot of their message? What what what
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are the key elements of the prophets
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messages?
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>> Okay. So, they were promising that a
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Messiah is going to come. That's right.
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That's right, Mr. Greenup Eric. But
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we're also seeing that they a lot of
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times what?
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>> They're rebuking God's people that even
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though he has promised to them salvation
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and he has brought that to them and they
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have had examples of that through
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Abraham and through Moses and
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everything, we see that they keep
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wandering away.
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And so it's the prophet's job to declare
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the holiness of God and the sinfulness
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of his people so that they can what? So
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they can what?
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>> So they can repent.
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But they're only going to repent when
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they see that God is holy and they are
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not.
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And so this is a beautiful picture of
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what's going on um in Revelation. So,
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and the prophets are even foretelling a
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global gathering. So, we see this next
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hint that there's a global gathering.
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And then in the New Testament, Roman
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numeral number three, Christ
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commissioned a global mission. A global
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mission. He the the the last thing he
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does after he dies on the cross and
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rises again and then finishes preaching
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up to Pentecost.
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He says, "One greater than me is going
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to come and he is going to be on you and
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you shall be my witnesses in Jerusalem
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and Judea and Samaria and to the
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uttermost parts of the earth." And so he
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tells them, "Go and tell." He tells us
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he if you're saved, he tells you to be
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on mission in this world.
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Every single person saved by the grace
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of God through the blood of Jesus Christ
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is given a task.
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If there's anything that you're called
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to do, it is to look to God and worship
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him and help others do the same.
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That's that's the reason you're on the
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earth. That's the reason if you're
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saved, he didn't rapture you the moment
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you got saved. He left you here for a
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task. And then we see Roman numeral
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number five. Revelation reveals the
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global victory. Eventually, we we see
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this. So, we make our way all the way to
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the end of Revelation. I hope you have
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your Bible tonight. And you're going to
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need your Bible. If you don't have your
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Bible, get out a pew Bible. You you just
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can't write in it. You can read it, but
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you can't write in it. Um, and tonight
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we're going to pay attention to that.
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But, um, flip the page over and I want
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you to see where we're going here. We're
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going to just read very quickly
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Revelation chapter 4. And not all of it,
Revelation 4 chapter mention
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but practically chapter 4, chapter 5,
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chapter 6, and chapter 7. And notice
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what we call this, the scene in heaven.
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And this is John's. Remember with me,
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the book of Revelation, first of all, is
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called Revelation.
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A lot of people call it revelations.
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They put an s on the end, but that's not
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correct. Um, it is the revelation. It is
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God's revelation of the scene in heaven,
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of his plan, of the things that are to
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come to the apostle John um at the end
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of his life. And so here we see it.
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Notice this the statement that I put
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underneath here for these for these
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chapters. Because God reigns. So God
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reigns over all the universe and the
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lamb is what?
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>> Worthy. Judgment unfolds according to
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divine decree. Yet God seals and secures
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his redeemed. That's that's the people
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who are in Christ. His redeemed from
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every nation for what?
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>> Eternal worship. He has saved them for
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eternal worship. So the first chapter
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and the reason I want us to read these
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is because
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one it goes with the sermon from Sunday.
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Two, we've been learning a new song.
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Rise with the sun. Rise with the sun
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references
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what we're about to read.
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That song Rise with the Sun references
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the fact that God is holy, holy, holy.
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Well, probably one of the greatest
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anthems of the church is the great hymn,
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Holy, Holy, Holy. You know, we sing that
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every Easter down at the beach. As we
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meet at the beach on Easter Sunday
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morning, we remember that that we are
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here to worship the infinitely holy God.
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We declare his holiness. That is what's
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being declared in heaven. And we have
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the privilege to declare that as well.
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And so notice here with me um that these
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chapters are really important. These
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chapters can lift up. Listen, these
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chapters can lift up your soul in the
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midst of pain and struggle and hardship.
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When you and I remember the scene that
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is in heaven, when we remember the
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greater reality than this life, what did
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you just say, Pastor Andrew? The greater
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reality. How is there something more
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real than right now? Oh, friend, there's
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something far more real than right now.
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There's so much you don't know. And in
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fact, there's so much that you and I are
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deceived about.
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We can be we we we see as the Apostle
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Paul wrote, "We see through a glass
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darkly right now. We don't really see
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clearly who God is, who we are, what the
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condition of the world is." I mean,
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there's a lot of fog. Now, what we do
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see that is right comes from God's word.
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But the Apostle Paul said, "Right now,
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we see through a glass darkly, but one
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day we're going to see clearly and we're
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going to see him face to face." Well,
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Revelation 456 and 7 and 8, I mean,
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these this is this is one of our
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greatest pictures of the true reality
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that we're coming into. And so, this is
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I I love these chapters. Um, and some of
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them uh have verses that really go with
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each other in the scene in heaven. And I
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want you to see this. It's glorious. Um,
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so first of all, the sovereign throne.
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So the first thing that we're going to
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look at here is chapter 4. Fill that in.
Isaiah 4 chapter mention
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The sovereign throne. And I want you to
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see that in the outline there. We're
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going to see an open door. We're going
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to see the throne at the center. We're
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going to see 24 elders. We're going to
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see four living creatures. And what do
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they cry out?
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Holy, holy, holy. And this is also shown
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to Isaiah long before Revelation was
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ever written. 700 years almost 800 years
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before Revelation was written. The the
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prophet Isaiah has a vision as well. And
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he sees the Lord seated on his throne
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high and exalted. Um and the the train
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of his robe is filling the temple. um
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and he sees angels crying out, "Holy,
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holy, holy is the Lord." In Ezekiel 1,
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we see the same scene. So, it's very
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interesting um as this. And then we see
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the worship of the creator. So, let's
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just jump in right now and and I pray
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that God's that God's word just blesses
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you tonight as we just kind of read and
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then we'll we'll zip on to chapter 5.
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Look at this. The throne in heaven,
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number one, verse one. Chapter 4, verse
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one. After this, I looked and behold a
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door standing open in heaven. So John's
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having this vision. I looked and behold
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a door standing open in heaven. And the
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first voice which voice which I heard
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speaking to me like a trumpet said,
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"Come up here and I will show you what
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must take place after this. At once I
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was in the spirit and behold," so it's
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as like he got whisked away. He goes up
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there. At once I was in the spirit and
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behold a throne stood in heaven with one
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seated on the throne. That's what a king
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does. He reigns from his throne. And
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when he is in his greatest place of
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authority and decree, he is seated.
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You know, I mean, even the Roman
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Catholic Church, they they make a big
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deal of when the pope sits and speaks ex
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cathedral, they believe that he's
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infallible. I do not believe that. Um,
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but that's that's one of the but the
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idea is when he sits and he speaks as if
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in a throne, it's excited. This is the
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real king and this is the one who really
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reigns over all things, but he's seated
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on a throne. Verse three. And he who sat
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there had the appearance of jasper and
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carnelon. And around the throne was a
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rainbow that had the appearance of an
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emerald. And around the throne were 24
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thrones seated on the thrones which were
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24 elders clothed in white garments with
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golden crowns on their heads. From the
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throne came flashes of lightning and
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rumblings and peels of thunder. And
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before the throne were burning seven
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torches of fire, which are the seven
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spirits of God. And before the throne
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there was as it were a sea of glass like
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crystal.
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Listen to this. And around the throne
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and on each side are four living
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creatures full of eyes in front and
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behind. And the first living creature
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like a lion and the second living
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creature like an ox and the third living
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creature with the face of a man and the
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fourth living creature like an eagle in
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flight. And the four living creatures,
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each of them with six wings, are full of
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eyes all around and within. And day and
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night they never cease to say, read it
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out loud, "Holy, holy, holy is the Lord
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God Almighty, who was and who is and is
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to come." That's why we sing holy, holy,
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holy. And then eventually casting down
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their golden crowns around. What does it
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say? Around the
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>> glassy sea. That's the idea. You see
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this the sea of glass
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um like crystal. So when we sing that
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song, it's coming from Revelation 4.
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And whenever the living creatures give
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glory and honor and thanks to him who is
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seated on the throne who lives forever
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and ever, the 24 elders fall down before
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him who is seated on the throne and
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worship him who lives forever and ever.
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And they cast their crowns before the
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throne. That's exactly what we sing.
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Saying, read it out loud with me. Verse
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11. Worthy are you, our Lord and God, to
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receive glory and honor and power, for
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you created all things, and by your will
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they existed and were created. So look
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over at our outline. What we said is
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this is the sovereign throne. And so
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when we sing even rise with the sun and
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we're referencing that we're coming from
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this place of God's ultimate picture in
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heaven and it's the picture of God as
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creator. God as creator. You can put
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that out there to the side. And we're
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worshiping him as that. And then we come
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to verse or chapter five. The worthy
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lamb. the worthy lamb. And there's the
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sealed scroll. Look with me in the very
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next verse there. Chapter 5 verse one.
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Then
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I saw a mighty angel proclaiming with a
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loud voice, who is worthy to open the
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scroll and to break its seals? Verse
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three. And no one in heaven or on earth
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or under the earth was able to open the
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scroll or to look into it. And look what
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John says in verse four. And I began to
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weep loudly because no one was found
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worthy to open the scroll or to look
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into it. And one of the elders said to
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me, "Weep no more. Behold, the lion of
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the tribe of Judah, the root of David,
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has conquered so that he can open the
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scroll and its seven seals. and between
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the throne and the 24 and and the four
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living elders. And among the elders, I
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saw a lamb standing
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as though it had been slain
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with seven horns and with seven eyes,
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which are the seven spirits of God, sent
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out into all the earth. And he went and
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took the scroll from the right hand of
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him who was seated on the throne. And
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when he had taken the scroll, the four
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living creatures and the 24 elders fell
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down before the lamb, each holding a
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harp and golden bowls full of incense,
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which are the prayers of the saints. And
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they sang a new song,
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saying, You want to read it? Let's read
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it. Worthy are you to take the scroll
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and to open its seals. For you were
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slain, and by your blood you ransomed
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people for God from every tribe and
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language and people and nation. And you
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have made them a kingdom and priests to
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our God. And they shall reign on the
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earth. So you see that's that's what we
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were looking at Sunday that this is this
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is the picture that the lamb of God is
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there. He's the only one who can open
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the scroll. This idea of the of the
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decree of God, the will of God, the
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ultimate plan of God, the book of life
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as it were, the salvation that he
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purchased with his blood.
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And we see that people from every tribe
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and every tongue are going to be saved.
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This is this is what this the song is
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that they sang.
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Verse 11. Then I looked and I heard
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around the throne and the living
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creatures and the elders and the voice
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of m many angels numbering myriads of
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myriads, thousands of thousands with a
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loud voice. Worthy is the lamb who was
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slain to receive power and wealth and
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wisdom and might and honor and glory and
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blessing. Verse 13. And I heard every
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creature in heaven and on earth and
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under the earth and in the sea and all
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that is in them saying to him who sits
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on the throne to the lamb be blessing
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and honor and glory and might forever
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and ever. Verse 14. And the four living
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creatures said amen. And the elders fell
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down and what did they do?
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>> Worshiped.
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>> And worshiped. You see, this is all
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about the glory of God in the worship of
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his people,
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the worship of the redeemed,
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and really to some degree, the worship
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of everyone who's ever lived because
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they will come to recognize who he is.
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And even though it'll be everlastingly
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too late for some, they will confess him
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as Lord. And so, this is a glorious,
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glorious picture. So notice this in
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Roman numeral number two. It's the
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worthy lamb. Hopefully you've already
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filled that in and the sealed scroll.
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The lamb who was or the lion who is the
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lamb and the worship of the redeemer.
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That's what we just read. And it's God
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as not just creator but God as redeemer.
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We see this lamb of God, the seven
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spirits of God uh gloriously portrayed.
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And then we see the opening of the
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seals. And um we're not going to read
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all of uh uh chapter 6, but I want you
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to notice this. The four horsemen. Um
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and we see the conquest, war, famine,
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and death. And this is the picture of
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the runup to the end. This is the
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picture of the wrath of God being
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exacted upon the earth. the earth in all
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of its wickedness and its evil and its
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even rejection of his people and its
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seeking to stamp out the righteous who
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have been saved. And so we see in this
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as well the cry of the martyrs
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verses 9- 11 and then we see the sixth
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seal the day of wrath verses 12- 27.
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Now, what is interesting is this this
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really mimics
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um Jesus's own words in Matthew 24
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toward the end of his life. Jesus
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declares and describes what it's going
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to be like as the world continues to
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rage against God. And then as we come to
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what I believe is the great tribulation
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um the great the great terror that is
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going to be exacted upon the earth and I
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do believe that there's going to be some
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who are rescued out of that perhaps the
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Jewish people rescued some are rescued
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from that and we we see different
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aspects of that and in fact as we come
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into um chapter 7 Um, we see that. So,
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this is God, if you haven't filled it in
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already, this is God as judge. God as
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judge in this great travail.
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And then chapter 7, we see another part
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that we sang on Sunday and at other
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times. And I want you to see this. Um,
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verses 7-8 or chapter 7:es 1-8. Look
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what it says there. Um, and after this I
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saw four angels standing at the four
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corners of the earth, holding back the
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four winds of the earth, and no wind
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might blow on earth or sea or against
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any tree. Then I saw another angel
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ascending from the rising of the sun in
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the seal of the living God. And he
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called with a loud voice to the four
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angels who had been given power to harm
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earth and seas, saying, "Do not harm the
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earth or the sea or the trees until we
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have sealed the servants of our God on
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their foreheads. And I heard the number
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of the sealed 144,000 sealed from every
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tribe of the sons of Israel." And then
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there's um the 12 tribes of the sons of
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Israel with two replacements we see in
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this. And um that's the idea of the
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144,000. Some would say this is the idea
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that during the great tribulation, the
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Jews who have been unbelievably
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resistant to the gospel for really since
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the Old Testament that some um 144,000
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possibly would be gloriously saved there
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at the end of the tribulation. But
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notice this. So even the re even God's
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chosen people coming to salvation in
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Christ. Look with me at the next section
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here. What does it say in your Bible
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above verse 9?
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>> Okay. Many of your Bibles say, "A great
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multitude from every nation." And this
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is where I want to read and end out uh
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tonight. Notice this. After this, I
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looked, and behold, a great multitude
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that no one could number
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from every nation, from all tribes and
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peoples and languages, standing before
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the throne
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and before the Lamb,
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clothed in white robes, with palm
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branches in their hands, and crying out
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with a loud voice. What are they crying
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out? Read it out loud. Salvation belongs
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to our God who sits on the throne and to
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the lamb in verse 11. And after the
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angels were standing or and all the
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angels were standing around the throne
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and around the elders and the four
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living creatures and they fell on their
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faces before the throne in worship God
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saying, "Amen. Blessing and glory and
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wisdom and thanksgiving and honor and
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power and might be to our God forever
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and ever. Amen. Now, it would be worth
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your study to do a a word study. When
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you see things like that where there's
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lists in the Bible, it's not a bad idea
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to take a week or two or three of your
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life and do a word study of all those
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words that are right there and ask
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yourself, why might God have this being
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declared
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in his presence? When you see a list
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like that, don't just write it off as a
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bunch of similar things. Every word in
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the word of God is there for a reason.
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and you'll be blessed as you study it,
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whether it's the judgments or whether
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it's the glories. Notice this in verse
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13.
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Then one of the elders addressed me,
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saying, "Who are these clothed in white
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robes, and from where have they come?"
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And I said to him, "Sir, you know?" And
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he said to me, "These are the ones
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coming out of the great tribulation.
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They have washed their robes and made
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them what?
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>> White in the blood of the lamb. How many
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of you would have ever thought that
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anything washed in blood would be white?
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What color should it be?
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>> Red.
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But the picture here
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is white is obviously something that
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represents purity.
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And so the only way that we are made
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pure, the only way that we're made
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clean, clean, holy, is through the
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forgiveness that comes in the blood of
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the lamb.
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This is the way it works.
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Look at that. At the end of verse 14,
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they have washed their robes and made
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them white in the blood of the lamb.
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Therefore, they are before the throne of
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God and serve him day and night in the
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temple. And he who sits on the throne
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will shelter them with his presence.
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They shall hunger no more, neither
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neither thirst anymore, and the sun
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shall not strike them, nor any scorching
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heat. Verse 17. For the Lamb in the
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midst of the throne will be their
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shepherd, and he will guide them to
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springs of living water. I love this.
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And God will wipe away every tear from
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their eyes.
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>> Amen.
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This is the great salvation of God.
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Isn't Revelation good to read?
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>> It's good to read and it's good to sing.
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But what we've wanted to do is just
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recognize this as God as savior. So it's
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one thing to redeem. He pays the price.
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But here we see that they are saved all
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the way to the end. They are saved and
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he wipes away every tear.
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This is the great multitude. This is
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people from everywhere.
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And this is why you and I have a job
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before God. Revelation 4, 5, 6, and 7 is
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not merely a picture of heaven. It's the
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goal of history.
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God gathering a redeemed, bloodbought
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multitude from every nation to worship
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the lamb forever.
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fill it in. And missions is how he gets
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them there.
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God has designed it for us to be on
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mission with him. He wants to use every
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single one of us.
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Um there's a lot of people say, "Amen.
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Preach it, brother."
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And they refuse to do anything
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differently in their life.
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about sharing Christ,
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about praying for his kingdom to come
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and his will to be done
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or about giving about sacrificing for
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what he's called us to do. Friends, we
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can't just say, "Amen, preach it,
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brother."
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What we need to do is do it.
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And we need to be a church that does it.
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We need to learn how to share our faith.
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We need to we need to be willing to take
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time to talk to somebody. We need to be
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willing to live it out.
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We need to be willing to sacrifice so
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that the gospel can go.
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And so we talked about it Sunday. We're
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called to pray, give, and go. And so we
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ought to be a church that never gets
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tired of hearing about that. Amen.
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>> And do it more and more as time goes on.
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Well, um, tonight I want us to just
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check our hearts on that. I'd like to
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lead us in prayer. And, um, with your
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head bowed and your eyes closed, if you
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would right now, I'd like to ask you a
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couple of questions.
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What have you just read
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in Revelation 456, and 7?
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You've just read about the sure thing,
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the greater reality that's on its way.
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Do you believe that?
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Well, if you believe that and if you
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believe that that is the God whom we
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serve in all of his glory,
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what is it that compares to him that we
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would hold on to?
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Your car,
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your clothes, your house,
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your retirement,
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your collection of this or of that,
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your vacations.
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Is all that just have a higher priority
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than God's glory in your life,
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your job?
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Father, I pray that this morning or this
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evening that there would be no thing
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in my heart
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that I would value more than this scene
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in heaven
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and the fact that
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one day
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by the blood of the lamb I'm going to be
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there
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and And if I'm there, Lord, I I don't
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want to be there
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with regrets.
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And there's some indication in scripture
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that there's the possibility for regret.
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So Lord, I pray that we'd be the kind of
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people that start to pattern our lives
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in such a way that we're living so
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there'll be no regrets and that we have
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given the king, given the master
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all that he deserves and all that he's
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asked for
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in our lives. Lord, I I pray that you
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would help me and Marcy to live like
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that more. And I pray for our brothers
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and sisters. I pray that our church
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would be characterized by that. Lord, I
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pray that our children would see true
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faith in us. People who are living for
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another kingdom and that they would see
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that our faith is genuine
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and therefore they would follow in our
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footsteps. I pray in Jesus name I pray.
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Amen. Amen. I'm going to ask um Pastor
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William and Pastor Ben and uh Roberto
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and Lao to come. I'm going to sit this
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one out a little bit and let Pastor Ben
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kind of help Pastor uh uh William come
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and I want you to hear about what
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happened in Colombia uh over the last
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few days. Um, we sent this team uh to
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Colombia and they met and worked with a
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group of pastors uh that came and uh I
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was hearing some of those stories today
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and was super excited about that, super
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glad to hear about that. And um I just I
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want you to hear um from them what had
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happened. So, Pastor Ben, why don't you
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just kind of get us going on that and uh
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I'll get this thing out of the way here.
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>> Well, it's a joy to um have these men up
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on stage. Uh Pastor William and Pastor
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Jason led this team to Colombia. Um and
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Colombia is interesting because it's
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like really close to us, but it feels so
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far in so many ways culturally and it
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feels um different. I mean, it's a
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completely different part of the
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Americas. Uh, and there's a different
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culture. There's a different obviously
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even Christian culture. And then when
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you dig even deeper, there's a Christian
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different Christian pastoral culture.
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And so these u men went to to go
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minister to pastors and and their
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families. Um, and not just pastors, but
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other people in the church that were
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part of this. Um, one of the biggest
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things uh that we we have to understand
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is that there's theological famine in
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the rest of the world um in a lot of
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places like where um Pastor Jason,
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Pastor William uh went. We've had this
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relationship with this church in
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Colombia for many years. Uh originally
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when Ricardo Munoz who you you all know
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Ricardo Munoz, he's our veterinarian,
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resident theologian, biblical counselor,
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and what other thing does he do? He does
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a lot. But uh we met uh Ricardo and I
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met with Jose who is a key pastor in
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that area several years ago and he came
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to our church to visit Sheran Hills
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Baptist Church and on a Sunday morning
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was struck by by our worship just the
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music the preaching the teaching
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starting point and was asking us to come
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to Colombia to help their pastors and
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their churches think like Sheridan
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Hills. Now, Sheridan Hills is again, as
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one of the pastors here, of course, I'm
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biased. This is the best church I think
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I've ever served in, but it's also the
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only church I've ever served in the last
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10 years. So, there you go.
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Um, by God's grace, uh, he is using
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Sheridan Hills in other parts of of the
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world. Um, I also am so proud of Roberto
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and Lao. Uh, I get to be a part of their
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disciplehip group. And I just want to
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point out that two guys in our
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disciplehip group got to go on this
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trip. So that's awesome. Um Lao and
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Roberto, this is their first trip. This
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was your first trip uh with Sheridan
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Hills. Is that right?
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>> Yes,
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>> that's correct.
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>> How was it? Tell us uh big picture
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things about your trip to Colombia.
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Leo, go ahead. He already debriefed a
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little bit. We didn't get to debrief
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with Roberto, but
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>> yes, yesterday in our lol. Um
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I don't know. hard to put in words. I
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mean, there were so many different
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things going on. Um, I didn't, to be
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honest, I didn't know what to expect. I
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was kind of nervous about it. Yeah.
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Especially because
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>> we were going to, you know, teach or
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share to to adults. uh even though it
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was a great opportunity, something that
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we had in our hearts especially with
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with my wife going to South America from
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where we are and because we know about
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that, you know, absence of theology or
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understanding of the gospel. Um we said,
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okay, it's a great opportunity,
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something that we had in our hearts. uh
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but also going you know with the pastors
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and Roberto I we we know from from our
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group and we started coming to church
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here together at the same time we did a
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starting point together um and we have
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our kids that they're friends so that
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was fine regard we have a great
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relationship uh but it was really a new
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experience and a great opportunity so I
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don't know it was
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>> was that your first time in Colombia or
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or you've been to Colia many times.
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>> Columbia many times because my
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brother-in-law actually lives in Medí.
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>> But this experience that you went to
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teaching adults and going with them that
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that was new for you being in that in
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that Christian environment and and
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working with Christians and and teaching
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them and having to have interactions
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with them.
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>> Yes.
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>> What were you were you expecting them to
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be solid rockstar Christians or were you
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expecting them to to have a base level
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of knowledge like barely biblically
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literate? What was your expectation?
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>> I had no idea. I had no idea. I I tried
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not to think about it because I knew
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that maybe we were going to find, you
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know, not a great solid, you know, Bible
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church or churches or pastors or
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pastoras. I mean, I was like, okay, what
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what are we going to see?
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>> Everybody heard what he just said,
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pastor.
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>> So, you weren't sure. You were you were
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going in kind of blind, right?
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>> Yes. Yeah. No, absolutely. Especially
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with all the prosperity and Pentecostal
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or charismatic, you know, usually our
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experience coming from South America is
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that
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>> the evangelic churches are, you know,
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kind of weird.
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>> Well, let's take a step back a little
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bit because when Pastor William and
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Pastor Jason approached you ongoing,
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what did they tell you was the goal of
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the trip?
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>> They didn't share much.
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They said, "Okay, we have this
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opportunity to go." And we knew a little
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bit because, you know, past experiences
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with people who, you know, the team who
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were there and we we spoke with Chuck
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last year when when they went and we had
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that but
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>> not much from them when what was the
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plan?
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>> Well, good brother. You came back. What
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was the goal of your point of what was
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the point of going?
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>> Mine?
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>> Yeah. Oh, mine was really to get that
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opportunity to go and share and and help
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and equip the the the church, the
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pastors, you know, everybody involved
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and trying to give them some better
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understanding and direction.
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>> Yeah.
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>> On how a church should look like, uh how
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the the teaching should look like, uh
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what is right, what is wrong, you know,
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trying to give them some light.
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>> Yeah. Roberto, you were from Colombia
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and in one of the ways it felt like you
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were you were going home. In other ways,
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it's a new place. Tell us about your
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experience with that.
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>> Yeah, that that was so strange because
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yes, you're right. I'm from Colombia.
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I'm from Bgotaa. Um, but to be honest, I
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did not know Kartahena at all. Um,
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>> had you ever been there before? had had
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been there as a as a child probably six
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or seven but obviously didn't have any
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recollection of of the city.
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>> It's not Colombia it's pretty much the
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same right
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>> so no it was very different to what I
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had in my mind because I always hear
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Kartahena
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you know the the tourist attraction and
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the city full of people and tourists
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that you know it's a beautiful city a
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very old city but we were in a different
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mission.
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>> Yeah.
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>> And um you know It was it was uh
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different from that perspective
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definitely. Uh so much that I did to you
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know it's something that I'm going to
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tell here. I forgot my Colombian
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passport.
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>> I you know I thought I was going to a
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different place and
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>> I just found out at the airport and I
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and I told Pastor Jason you know I just
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remember I forgot my Colombian passport.
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I hope I'm not going to
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>> Your heart dropped.
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>> So did your heart drop a little bit?
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>> You know I was thinking and and then I
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said you know Lord you're in control. So
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What's what's the difference in
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population between Bogotaa where you
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grew up and Kurtina?
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>> Culturally is very different. Um people
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in Bogotaa it's it's different weather
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first of all. So we all kind of dress
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differently. You know you have uh
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sweaters, jackets, pants and all that
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because it's cold. Kartahena is right on
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the coast. So it's, you know, shorts,
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t-shirt, you know, very festive
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environment most of the time. very um
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it's not that Bogotaian people from
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Bogotaa are not uh you know happy or or
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cheerful but it's different right the
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culture is different music uh food and
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all that so definitely you can you can
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see
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>> what's the population difference between
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those two cities
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>> oh huge um Botaa we were kind of looking
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at that it's about 11 and a half million
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>> and um Cartahena in that area is
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probably 1.5
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>> just 1.5 million in Cartahena.
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>> So you guys landed you guys landed at
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the airport
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>> with it
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>> and you guys got out when you're going
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through the city cuz you were there as a
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young kid.
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>> Um you weren't a believer at the time
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when you went to Kartahena, but now
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you're a Christian man.
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>> Yeah.
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>> You've been a Christian for a long time
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at this point.
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>> You get out. Tell us what you see. Tell
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us what you what you're thinking as you
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come into this city again.
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Well, you see you start seeing a lot of
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need uh both physical need uh but but
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mostly spiritual. Um we you know we it's
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funny because we were the transportation
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method we used was Uber
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>> and a couple times maybe even three uh
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we ran out into into Christian drivers
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>> but then you start talking to them and
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they their theology is completely
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you know somewhere else.
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>> What do they believe? um you know they
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they start talking about having a pastor
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at the church. Okay. they're start
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talking about, you know, doing these
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things and, you know, kind of like uh
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the whole legalistic portion of it. And
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um you know in a way it was it was it
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was sad to see that and because you feel
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like that that huge need and I think
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that defined a lot of purpose to our
-
trip because you know we were there with
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the mission of
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>> um sharing with with leaders with
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pastors and their wives and and it was
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encouraging to see the reception that
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that they had to
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>> very different very different from what
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you experienced in
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>> Yeah. Yeah definitely. Leia, would you
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walk us through um what did we teach on
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and then we've got a slide we're going
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to put up that kind of talks about some
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of the specific subject matter that we
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were seeking to cover with the pastors.
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>> Well, the the main point was about
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disciplehip and that was that was great
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and was really
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I mean we had a lot of u
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reception from them. uh in regards to
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that that's something that they really
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welcomed on on on the topic which was
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was really good. Uh so we went through
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three days. Uh the first day uh pastor
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Jason uh did a an an explanation of what
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disciplehip is. Uh then we based from
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what Jesus actually uh his disciplehip
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um process during the the three years of
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ministry with the discip disciples. Uh
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that was pastor William and then Roberto
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uh finished the the day was a very
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extensive day. Uh then on the second day
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we had the opening questions from them.
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So we received a lot of questions. Then
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we did Kerry Kerry Walls who was also
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part of the group opened with a
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disciplehip having a clear aim on and
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godly examples. Then I presented the
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tool for the personalized spiritual
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growth path which is one of the tools
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that we start we learned on the LOL
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process. Um then we did dealing with sin
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in disciplehip by Curry. Um Ricardo took
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the time to do bibl biblical counseling
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um this as disciplehip process. Then I
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did yeah I did the gospel walls uh which
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I plagiarized uh pastor Andrew uh
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because I use his teaching on numbers.
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Uh
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>> do you remember what the gospel walts
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is? You just taught about it. So tell us
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what the gospel walts is.
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>> I danced the the walts.
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>> Did you dance it? Tell us what it is
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exactly. The three step.
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>> Well the the first step it's about um
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the
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>> repenting.
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>> Repent. Oh, no. I repent. Re repent.
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Believe. And now you put me in the spot.
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I'm the third. Obey. Obey. Obey. Obey.
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That's the third one.
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>> Yeah. So, repenting, believing, and
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obeying the gospel. You know, it's it's
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interesting. Uh you just heard Laos talk
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about LOL doesn't mean laugh out loud.
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Some some people think it means laugh
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out loud.
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>> In the context of Sheridan Hills, in our
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church, LOL means life on life. And
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there are groups happening right now in
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our church that you may not be aware of,
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especially if you're new to us. There's
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no reason why you would be aware of it.
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But we're taking Jesus at his word. A
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lot of what Leia was just describing in
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terms of teaching content follows what
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Jesus said, go make disciples. Sheran
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Hills's way of doing that is through
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little groups called Life on Life, LOL.
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And so right now there's over 50 people
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involved in life on life. And eventually
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that'll grow more and more what we call
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multiplicative
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disciplehip. And so what we're doing
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with these pastors, Leo just um hinted
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at it because they're part of um my life
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on life group and pastor William also
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leads a life on life group and so does
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pastor Jason. We're trying to inspire
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these pastors and their wives to think
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about disciplehip, not playing church,
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but being the church and going out and
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and sharing the gospel. I want you to
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hear from Pastor William because Pastor
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William is is a pastor here. And by the
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way, uh Pastor William is an expositor.
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He teaches the Bible, too. There's a lot
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of guys who lead music and they're
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called worship pastor and they don't
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know how to teach the Bible. Um, that's
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a shame because uh they shouldn't be
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called pastor. The the point of a pastor
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is that they're able to teach. Well,
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Pastor William is our lead music uh
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pastor, but he also teaches the Bible
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very clearly and very well. And so, I
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want you to hear his perspective going
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there as a pastor from Sheridan Hills,
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going to Colombia and working with other
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pastors and other ministers. Tell us
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what that was like for you.
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>> Um, to some degree, you don't know what
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you're stepping into, right? Um, you
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know, I'm going in order to try and have
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impact on on people who are there.
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>> Um, but we don't know what background
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they're coming from. We don't know what
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foundations they stand on and which ones
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they don't. And so, you come in
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basically to lay a foundation to say,
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"Okay, I'm not sure where everybody's
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at, but what we know is the firm
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foundation is God's word." And so,
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that's why what Leo just walked us
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through there in the curriculum that we
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taught was seeking to help everybody to
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come back to a biblical worldview, a
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biblical perspective of what disciplehip
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was. Uh and so we did that in large
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groups. Um this next slide right here,
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this is um on the third day, the pastors
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and their wives who were uh there on on
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the Saturday day, but we also did that
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in small group gatherings. Uh during the
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mornings, during the days, not all the
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pastors, many of them are bivocational.
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They couldn't be there in the mornings.
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Uh but like right here, uh we had times
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of question and answer. And I kind of
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expected it would all just be like, "Oh,
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help me to understand about
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disciplehip." But there were just some
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very deep questions and a lot of hurts
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and a lot of like how do I manage family
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and ministry and work and some of the
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same things that we we struggle with in
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America, right? In terms of balance and
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priority and how do I shepherd people
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and um and so Pastor Jason and I and
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Curry um sought to answer questions
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based off of of what we've experienced
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in ministry, but also based off of God's
-
word. Um, we spent time uh in prayer
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together with those men. Um, we even
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went to um this picture right here is P
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pastor Hot uh on the It's a little bit
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blurred out with the the light behind
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him, but uh in the white t-shirt there,
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he's the primary pastor at uh at the IG
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church, which is where we we met for
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most of our
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>> That's the guy that visited our church a
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couple years ago and said, "Could you
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guys just
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>> do in Colombia what you guys are doing
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here for us?"
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>> Right. not not for us, but showing us
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how to do it. Yeah.
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>> We we don't know. One striking
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conversation with with Jose, who's who's
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a really humble man,
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>> he was shocked when he found out that
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our pastors pray together. We have two
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prayer times a week, Tuesdays and
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Fridays. He was shocked. And he said, "I
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I don't ever do that with the guys that
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I'm pastoring with except on Sundays
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when they meet together for church." and
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he immediately went back and applied
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that praying together as pastors and and
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caring for the flock. Uh go ahead,
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Pastor William. Yeah.
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>> So, this was interesting because it was
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a different context. You So, we had
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context with large group and then small
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group and then this was almost like
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one-on-one. This is literally in his
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home. They invited us into their home uh
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provided a lunch for us and then he was
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asking specific questions and seeking to
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learn and grow.
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>> Um this picture right here uh is is
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picture my face looks really weird in
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this one. I think that there was like a
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purple light shining on my face or
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something. I promise I didn't have a big
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L on my face, but um so about I think
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>> he had a a mustache and it was painted
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per and then they had to shave it off.
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He said we can't do that.
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>> Yeah.
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>> So we had u the the three churches I I
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preached at at IG on Sunday morning.
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Pastor Jason preached two services in
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another church. There was a third church
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that Curry preached at. And so the
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pastors of all three of those churches
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took us out to lunch and we were able to
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talk with them personally over over
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meals. Um, and so you can see that the
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forums were all different. Sometimes
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large groups, sometimes small group,
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sometimes one-on-one, sometimes in
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somebody's home, but the goal was to be
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able to help move them the next step
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down the road towards more and more
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biblical disciplehip. So, do you want to
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talk some about the impact of our team
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and our guys together? How did how did
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that connection work? Um, were there
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challenges relationally and and how did
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teaching together in that respect work?
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>> Um, no. Actually, I'm I'm going to be
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honest. I mean, this is the first time
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that I spent five days with
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>> Please be honest. It's church.
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>> No, no, no. It's because no because I
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was thinking about that I think
-
yesterday um that during those five days
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it was there was nothing even minimum to
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be challenged or you know any type of
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stress or you know we were so aligned
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since the beginning and even though we
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got sick and everything that happened uh
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>> you got sick together too.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Yes. Yes. I mean we do we were so bonded
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that we even got sick all together.
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>> Um we were even squashed in the back
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seat together at times. Right.
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>> We did. I mean but we really I mean all
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those five days they they flew and we
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coordinated everything even with the
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teachings and the translation. We never
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experienced translating. I mean Roberto
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and I think it's the same. I mean we
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never had that. Uh I always practice
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because I don't know why I practice in
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my mind but it's it's hard but we we
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started and we connected right away uh
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on those first meetings. And
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>> who did you translate for?
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>> Which of the pastors did you translate
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for?
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>> Well, mainly for him I was for pastor.
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>> Yeah, I think that the first day we were
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sitting randomly together. We didn't
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plan and someone started talking and I
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started translating. Let me tell you, as
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a non-speaker or Mu Poco espanol,
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they're over there going,
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>> "The trust has to be high between Lao
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and and William."
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>> I was like, "What are they saying?" And
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he'd be like, "They're sayingah." And he
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he'd answer everything, you know, for
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me, you know, and then I would say, "Can
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you ask him such and such?" And then he
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was he was my voice to be able to
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communicate with the people that I
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couldn't otherwise have communicated
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with. And so I was so thankful for both
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of these guys, you know, for all the
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Spanish speakers. Everybody just jumped
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in. We're needed in order to try and
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help you one another in that.
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>> Tell us tell us about the situation you
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were telling me about where a guy is
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talking to Pastor William and you're
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translating back to Pastor William, but
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you're also gatekeeping a little bit
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because you're like, "We've got to we've
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got to discern here. We got to figure
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out what's going on." Yeah. Go ahead and
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tell us.
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>> Well, yes. One of the pastors started
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sharing his testimony, which was kind of
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awkward. And as I am listening to the
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guy, I'm trying to think how I'm going
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to tell Pastor William the crazy stuff
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that this guy is sharing. Um, so it was
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a do translation trying to filter. And
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he's so excited trying to say, "Okay,
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tell me, tell me, tell me." And I'm
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like, "No, you don't want to know. You
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don't want to know."
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and and Lao is trying to protect the
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time and because he knows it's precious
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and he doesn't want to continue it. But
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go ahead, tell them what happened.
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>> I don't know. The guy started going with
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stories that made no sense. uh and you
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know demons and you know Jesus showed up
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to his bedroom one time and the Satan
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also showed up and then he got married
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early but he was only married for 3
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months but he had a 25 year old daughter
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and the the time
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>> they didn't line up line up at all.
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>> I I was like that doesn't make sense and
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he's like I agree.
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>> I know. And at some point I was so
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nervous that I started laughing when I
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was I was translating and he's looking
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at me and I'm like yes he's saying that
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but out of respect I had to correct
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myself and he's like we will talk later.
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Let let me just say let me just say um
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you know I I wanted Leo to share this
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with you because I wanted you to see
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this side of missions and ministry where
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you're having to in real time. You're
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not Leo's not Google translate here. Lao
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is filtering and he's also taking what
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William is saying and pastor William is
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saying and he is interpreting not just
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translating he is wanting to communicate
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through William because he understands
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what William's saying the end point
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theologically but he is trying to
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capture the idioms and the meaning and
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the sense so that the people can
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understand. So Lao is also doing a
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crucial min. Roberto and Leo were doing
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a crucial ministry by taking what Pastor
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William and Pastor Jason were saying
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from the Bible and translating it back
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to the people so they can understand and
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and you get quirky things like that
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sometimes where you're trying to have to
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work through idioms. So they work
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through that. We
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>> we learned that that Google Translate is
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not super accurate. I had it running on
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my phone. I just laid it there so I
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could understand some of what was being
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taught. And one of the guys was teaching
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on the Moses raising the pole in the
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wilderness with the the snake on it.
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Remember? And if they looked at the
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snake, they'd be healed. And Google
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Translate said that Moses raised up a
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rubber tire in the wilderness. And if
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all the people looked at it, they were
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saved. It's like, yeah, I'm pretty sure
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that's not what it says. Yeah. So, it it
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give, you know, when you read Romans 10,
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it says, "How will they hear if nobody's
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sent?"
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>> Don't just think about Pastor William.
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He's he's the pastor that goes and he's
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the one who's bringing the teaching.
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What Roberto and Leia were doing is
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more if not the same crucial more
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crucial because they're having to
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translate into what into the language
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they understand. Uh Roberto tell us
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about your experience with translation
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and teaching and communicating.
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>> It was it was beautiful. I love what
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what Leo is saying. Um before that I you
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ask about also the kind of how it was
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sharing with you know six guys all
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together and I just want to say you know
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having a an Argentinian two Colombians
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Americans in a very tight place
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>> there's always you know kind of that but
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it was so beautiful it was like just um
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>> collaborating all the time and and
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looking for each other and you know when
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someone was was teaching or or or
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speaking u Leo was the first, you know,
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kind of taking the the markers and and
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helping putting the, you know, whatever
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we needed on the board.
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>> Um, and we all just kind of tried to to
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take care of each other. That I just
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wanted to say that was really beautiful
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and and I learned a lot about them. Um,
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and I thank God for that opportunity to
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to kind of be together for so long and
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and learn from each other. Have uh some
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profound conversations too, right? when
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we were, you know, early in the morning,
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you know, in Colombia, actually the sun
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comes up between 5:30 and 6.
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>> So, you get up and you just like, okay,
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it's kind of like almost 7, but it was
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early. So, we had some good
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conversations. Curry was kind of the
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first one all the time. So, you would
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you would count on him to be out and and
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just, you know, have share a cup of
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coffee and start talking and and, you
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know, praising God for for the beauty.
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>> He's retired, so he can do that.
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>> Absolutely. Yeah. And um and that was
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one part that it was just amazing of
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what God did. Um in regards to teaching
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and the experience translating and all
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that. You just said something very
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important.
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>> Um we were always pointing people back
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to the Bible.
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>> Always always pointing people back to
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the Bible. And there was a lady that
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came um she was a leader and she you
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know in between breaks I don't know if
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you guys noticed that she she came she
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was she was always sitting kind of on
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the second row
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>> um and and she said well you know you
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guys come and and and always kind of uh
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answer the questions kind of pointing
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people back to the Bible and I just
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noticed that and I said because that's
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exactly what should be done. This is the
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truth of God. We're not here to to tell
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you our truth. my truth it doesn't
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matter.
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>> She was she was telling you in in a way
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that was like
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>> she was like
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>> this is new this is new for me.
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>> Yeah.
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>> And she said yeah because you know
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normally when when we see you know some
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people that come and say this is is what
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they believe and I said no this is the
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truth of that we don't need to do
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anything else. It's just going
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>> such a great statement.
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>> That was beautiful. Praise God.
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>> It impacted me.
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>> Yeah. Yeah.
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>> When you go on a missions trip the goal
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of course is the ministry. The goal is
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imparting the word of God to the people,
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but you also experience a new place. And
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I think that for for all of us, you
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mentioned some of the differences in
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Cartahana, but this is a picture of like
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one of the little streets. Um, and just
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the architecture was beautiful in this
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part of the city. This was in in the old
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city.
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>> And we even experienced there was like a
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wedding going up on top of the city wall
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up there. You can see all the
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motorcycles. And yet we drove through
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other parts of town that looked a little
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bit more like this. I remember at one
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point our drivers said, "Make sure that
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no laptops or phones are visible at this
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point. The windows are going to be
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rolled up, doors are locked. This is not
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a good part of town. If someone sees
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something they want, they'll break the
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window. They'll take it and they'll
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run." And I was like, "Oh, okay. We'll
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keep the window up then."
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>> Um, you can just see, you know, as you
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look through, you know, this is just
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snapping shots as we drove through not
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that part of town. My phone was was put
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away during that part of the the visit.
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But um you see poverty and um I think
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this next one maybe is uh is that a
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video clip? Will that go? No.
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>> Yeah, let's go.
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>> Good. Excellent. Um just driving through
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the town and being able to see um in
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this part of the area um it was right
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off of a fishing area and they literally
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just brought in two foot fish and
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flopped them down on a table and then
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people have you know all their goods
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that are just being brought here. But
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this is very different from what you
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experience in Hollywood, right? Uh very
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different from Indiana where I grew up.
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And so part of a missions trip is you're
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experiencing a brand new culture. Uh
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there were things like uh this guy right
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here uh selling bananas and yuka from
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little carts. Those were all over the
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place.
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>> Um we experienced I had not experienced
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this before, but this was I think this
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was on your plate. Is that right? We
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weren't sure what we were getting until
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it came out, but they brought the whole
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fish. It was it was all right there. And
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uh you had to kind of pick through it, I
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think, to
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>> Yeah, I had to use my fingers to hit it.
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It's the only way. It was the only way.
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>> We were surprised by the the quantity of
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motorcycles, you know, throughout uh the
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area. Um in fact, I think that maybe
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there's a video clip at some point. It
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it's almost like it reminds me of Mario
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Kart where there there were no traffic
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lanes at all and cars were just like all
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drifting everywhere, motorcycles in and
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out. I didn't see any green shells
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flying back at me, but it felt like it
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felt like Mario Kart. Um, so, um, we
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wanted to share with you also, um, the
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church service on Sunday morning, at
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least at IGA, that's where, uh, Lao and
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I were at. We filmed this next, uh, clip
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on Sunday morning. If you guys have got
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the volume ready, we wanted you to see
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what that looked like of that church
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gathering.
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Can you clip it for me, Danny?
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>> Good morning, Sheridan Hills. I'm in
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Cartahana, Colombia, worshiping with IG
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Church, and they all wanted to say good
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morning to you. Say good morning guys.
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>> So that was not a large room but there
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were many people in that room and like
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after the first 10 minutes I mean it's
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already like 90 degrees just outside uh
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they had fans which was good but I was
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the guy who played the keyboard um their
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pastor hot was sick and they said can
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you play the keyboard for our our Sunday
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morning? that I happen to have an
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ability to do that and so um played
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played piano you know along with their
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group and that was a special thing I
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think that can we hear the audio of this
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it's a song you'll recognize
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>> that was special to be able to lead
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worship a group of people all singing in
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a different language. I was singing in
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English still. That's the only language
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I know.
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>> But it was special to be able to lead
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worship together with believers in
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another part of the world. And I think
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it just reminded me that the gospel has
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impacted people from coast to coast,
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from the islands to where we live,
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right? And uh it's it's not just an
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American thing. We know that. But you
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you you realize that very um nearly when
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the people all around you are all
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praising God for the salvation they have
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received from Jesus Christ in totally
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different languages.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Pastor William, it sounds like this this
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um trip was a personal impact for you
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was just seeing a different part of the
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world and seeing
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>> um you know people coming together and
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worshiping Christ and and working with
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pastors and helping them deal with real
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world problems. Um, I want you to hear
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also from Roberto and Lao about what was
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their personal takeaway because trips
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like this you um hear as we kind of wrap
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up. Trips like this can be um special
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for the people you're ministering to,
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but often the Lord is doing a work in
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our hearts too as we go. Um tell us some
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of your personal takeaways.
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>> Yeah, you're completely right. I mean
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that that um definitely challenged me.
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the trip challenged me
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>> to even um you know continue to serve
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the Lord and continue to you know just
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just be reminded of so much need that
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that there that we have out there,
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right? and and not necessarily going on
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a on a missionary trip uh but just
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around us around us uh on a daily basis
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at work uh you know our neighbors and
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and it just uh I as as my brothers were
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were kind of teaching and preaching that
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actually was coming up to me and and and
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I was being blessed at the same time and
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challenged. Um I saw um the the the you
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know the rejoicing of these pastors and
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leaders receiving that teaching
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>> and that challenged me because a lot of
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them
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>> they they have two jobs.
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>> They were tired. They were coming at
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5:30 in the afternoon after a long day
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of work and they were ready to receive
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and I didn't see anybody saying, "Oh,
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you know what? I'm too tired." or they
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were just there and they were
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>> troopers really really because they they
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loved you know to hear the word of God
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and that's a challenge for us.
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>> Yeah. Yeah. Leo, what were some of your
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personal takeaways?
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>> No, I I I agree with Roberto. Um one of
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the things it's was really an impact to
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see the faith of all these people, the
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love for the Lord and everything that
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they need to go through. I mean they
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live I mean we are really blessed to
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what we have. I mean we have a great
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church. We have an amazing church. We
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have a great family community. We are I
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mean 600 families and we have community
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groups. We have uh disciplehip. We have
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events. Uh we have the opportunity to go
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and do mission. Uh we have a school. Uh
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this is something that I mean they I
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don't even think that they they they
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really envision how could that be. uh
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when people were asking I mean how many
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people you have in in your service I
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said well we are 600 families
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>> and there are larger churches than us
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and we I mean it's uh but they go and
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they that was a small room
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>> and the worship and everything the
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experience you could sense that love and
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that you know passion and and faith for
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for the Lord and and for me that really
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hit me. And I said, "Okay, now I need to
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come here to realize that then I need to
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go more often out of the church
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>> to to to do the mission and that I can
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do that mission at work and I can do
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that mission, you know, every every
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day." Uh, and
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>> in regards to that, that's on the part
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of the mission, but also on the part of
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the disciplehip that we were teaching,
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that was also a great reminder of the
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value that we have. I mean we met
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yesterday we sometimes we're a small
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group we're a larger group sometimes I
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just you know buy on any excuse that I
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should be you know just say no that's
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just an excuse I just need to push a
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little bit more um further like like
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Paul says I need just to keep on pushing
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and and pressing and how about
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disciplehip in my family so that for me
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reset
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a little bit about the way that
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sometimes Sometimes we take for granted
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what we have and as Christians here and
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how much we need to continue pushing and
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and pressing and and raising the bar
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because these guys these guys they
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raised the bar for me
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>> and I you know we went there we we
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provided with a lot of things but that's
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what I got. I said okay I need to do
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much more.
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>> You know you can do missions through
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humanitarian relief. You can meet people
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in their great desperate need chaos
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trauma. Um, you can do missions through
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business. There's a lot of people that
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do business as missions. Uh, what we did
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here was missions to a local church
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where they're they're going to learn and
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we're learning as well. Even though we
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are a much larger church than they are
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in terms of numbers of members, we're
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going and um I just think of you Leo and
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you Roberto being trained in a different
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field and different coming back here and
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learning how to do that here and doing
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that here effectively. Um there's
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there's opportunities to minister. It
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reminds me what Paul says when he writes
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to the Philippians. He says, "I'm coming
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to you that I might might impart grace."
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what they have done is impart grace to
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to another church which then that church
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is going to take Lord willing and go and
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impart grace more and more. Um we've
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been with this church now for three
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years partnering with them. Uh we'll do
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it for a couple more years and there
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will be other churches that we go
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minister to. Well, maybe the Lord is
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calling you to pray about um serving as
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a humanitarian relief person or as a
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business as missions person or medical
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missions or um you know, if you're a man
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that's qualified to teach going with
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this group. Um but friends, mission is
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going to happen whether we like it or
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not. The Lord is going to use us whether
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or or complete his mission whether we
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like it or not. So, I just wanted to
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hear you to hear from these guys. you
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can talk to them more um after the
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service and one-on-one and Sunday. I'm
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sure we're gonna hear more about that
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with Pastor Jason as well. But I wanted
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you to hear that and be encouraged by
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that. And so it's what Pastor Andrew
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said at the end of the book of
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Revelation. Missions is how people get
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to surround the throne.
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>> We're going to be with our brothers and
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sisters from Colombian heaven. Now, I
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know many of you would love and are
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jealous that you couldn't be there with
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them this past Sunday, but it's okay.
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We'll be with them in heaven, and that's
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what matters. So, as we wrap up, let's
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go ahead and stand to our feet, and
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we're going to pray. I'm going to ask
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Pastor William to close us out, but
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you've you heard it at after this time,
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let's make haste and go to the ministry
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center and see what what opportunities
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we have to uh bid on before Sunday. you
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kind of get the uh early bird special
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here. You can kind of see and get your
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bidins before everybody else. Jack up
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the price for everybody else if you
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want. Um but we're going to go over
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there and talk, think about it. Come to
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these guys. Uh if there's a desire in
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your heart to be on missions, why not
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think about this Sunday? This is a
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perfect opportunity for you to get
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connected. Pastor William, lead us in
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prayer.
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>> Father in heaven, we we thank you for
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your call to missions. that this is not
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something we have come up with, that we
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are being obedient to your great
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commission when we drew trips like the
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one that we just took. And I thank you
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for the way that we partner together as
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a church. I thank you for all those who
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communicated back to us that they were
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praying in real time along with us as we
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were teaching, as we were meeting with
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pastors, and that the church can be uh
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moving towards missions both here and
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abroad. And I thank you also for the
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possibility of being able to to be a
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part of the financial realm of this uh
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even through what we're getting ready to
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do tonight and this weekend uh in
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seeking to give generously in order the
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message of your gospel might go out to
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people. And uh so father help us to know
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how we ought to be a part of that. Um
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may you receive much glory in and
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through our lives as we seek to be
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obedient to your great commission. And
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we ask this in Jesus name. Amen.