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God’s Mission: Revelation 4–7 | February 25th, 2026

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  1. This last Sunday morning, we looked at

  2. every tribe, every tongue, and every

  3. nation. And that idea, every tribe,

  4. every tongue, and every think about the

  5. sermon from Sunday, every tribe, every

  6. tongue, and every nation, right? And

  7. that phrase really is isolated

  8. to where in the Bible? That phrase is

  9. isolated to where in the Bible?

  10. Somebody said, "Is that a trick

  11. question?"

  12. So, if you were listening Sunday, is

  13. that a trick question?

  14. >> Well, it sort of is.

  15. every tribe, every tongue, every nation.

  16. Maybe the phrase

  17. is in Revelation, but the concept we

  18. looked at Sunday is where in the Bible

  19. >> all through the Bible for the purple

  20. jelly bean. Who can tell me where we see

  21. that concept? every tribe, every tongue,

  22. every nation with God. Where is the

  23. first hint that salvation is for

  24. everybody in the Bible? Where is that?

  25. >> Oh, Genesis. Can Okay, for the double

  26. purple jelly bean, who can tell me what

  27. chapter?

  28. >> Genesis 12. Can somebody tell me, Nick

  29. Peron, can you tell me what is the big

  30. deal about Genesis 12? Speak up real

  31. loud.

  32. >> God's promise to save the nations.

  33. to who?

  34. >> And he's speaking to

  35. >> Abram, right?

  36. >> Yeah. Excellent. Good job. Put you on

  37. the spot. I didn't tell you I was going

  38. to call on you. So, there you go. It's

  39. the first place where we really see

  40. what God's plan is for everybody.

  41. And it's that's Genesis 12 is a big

  42. deal. It should be marked in your Bible.

  43. If it's not marked in your Bible, open

  44. it up and go find those verses and mark

  45. it in your Bible because that's that's

  46. where we start to see don't mark it in

  47. the Pew Bible. That's not your Bible.

  48. But it is it really is a an extreme.

  49. It's a watershed passage on our

  50. understanding of what God's plan is. And

  51. so we saw that. Do you see the out the

  52. outline there? The the review a little

  53. bit. We said God's global purpose from

  54. Genesis to Revelation. It starts off

  55. with God's promise. God promised a

  56. global redemption and then the prophets

  57. foretold a global gathering. What do I

  58. mean by that? The prophets, what what

  59. where's that? New Testament or Old

  60. Testament?

  61. >> That's Old Testament. And what were the

  62. prophets doing?

  63. They're prophesying. Nice.

  64. >> Yes, they were prophesying. What does

  65. that mean? What were they doing?

  66. >> Speaking.

  67. >> They were speaking for God. And what was

  68. a lot of their message? What what what

  69. are the key elements of the prophets

  70. messages?

  71. >> Okay. So, they were promising that a

  72. Messiah is going to come. That's right.

  73. That's right, Mr. Greenup Eric. But

  74. we're also seeing that they a lot of

  75. times what?

  76. >> They're rebuking God's people that even

  77. though he has promised to them salvation

  78. and he has brought that to them and they

  79. have had examples of that through

  80. Abraham and through Moses and

  81. everything, we see that they keep

  82. wandering away.

  83. And so it's the prophet's job to declare

  84. the holiness of God and the sinfulness

  85. of his people so that they can what? So

  86. they can what?

  87. >> So they can repent.

  88. But they're only going to repent when

  89. they see that God is holy and they are

  90. not.

  91. And so this is a beautiful picture of

  92. what's going on um in Revelation. So,

  93. and the prophets are even foretelling a

  94. global gathering. So, we see this next

  95. hint that there's a global gathering.

  96. And then in the New Testament, Roman

  97. numeral number three, Christ

  98. commissioned a global mission. A global

  99. mission. He the the the last thing he

  100. does after he dies on the cross and

  101. rises again and then finishes preaching

  102. up to Pentecost.

  103. He says, "One greater than me is going

  104. to come and he is going to be on you and

  105. you shall be my witnesses in Jerusalem

  106. and Judea and Samaria and to the

  107. uttermost parts of the earth." And so he

  108. tells them, "Go and tell." He tells us

  109. he if you're saved, he tells you to be

  110. on mission in this world.

  111. Every single person saved by the grace

  112. of God through the blood of Jesus Christ

  113. is given a task.

  114. If there's anything that you're called

  115. to do, it is to look to God and worship

  116. him and help others do the same.

  117. That's that's the reason you're on the

  118. earth. That's the reason if you're

  119. saved, he didn't rapture you the moment

  120. you got saved. He left you here for a

  121. task. And then we see Roman numeral

  122. number five. Revelation reveals the

  123. global victory. Eventually, we we see

  124. this. So, we make our way all the way to

  125. the end of Revelation. I hope you have

  126. your Bible tonight. And you're going to

  127. need your Bible. If you don't have your

  128. Bible, get out a pew Bible. You you just

  129. can't write in it. You can read it, but

  130. you can't write in it. Um, and tonight

  131. we're going to pay attention to that.

  132. But, um, flip the page over and I want

  133. you to see where we're going here. We're

  134. going to just read very quickly

  135. Revelation chapter 4. And not all of it,

    Revelation 4 chapter mention

  136. but practically chapter 4, chapter 5,

  137. chapter 6, and chapter 7. And notice

  138. what we call this, the scene in heaven.

  139. And this is John's. Remember with me,

  140. the book of Revelation, first of all, is

  141. called Revelation.

  142. A lot of people call it revelations.

  143. They put an s on the end, but that's not

  144. correct. Um, it is the revelation. It is

  145. God's revelation of the scene in heaven,

  146. of his plan, of the things that are to

  147. come to the apostle John um at the end

  148. of his life. And so here we see it.

  149. Notice this the statement that I put

  150. underneath here for these for these

  151. chapters. Because God reigns. So God

  152. reigns over all the universe and the

  153. lamb is what?

  154. >> Worthy. Judgment unfolds according to

  155. divine decree. Yet God seals and secures

  156. his redeemed. That's that's the people

  157. who are in Christ. His redeemed from

  158. every nation for what?

  159. >> Eternal worship. He has saved them for

  160. eternal worship. So the first chapter

  161. and the reason I want us to read these

  162. is because

  163. one it goes with the sermon from Sunday.

  164. Two, we've been learning a new song.

  165. Rise with the sun. Rise with the sun

  166. references

  167. what we're about to read.

  168. That song Rise with the Sun references

  169. the fact that God is holy, holy, holy.

  170. Well, probably one of the greatest

  171. anthems of the church is the great hymn,

  172. Holy, Holy, Holy. You know, we sing that

  173. every Easter down at the beach. As we

  174. meet at the beach on Easter Sunday

  175. morning, we remember that that we are

  176. here to worship the infinitely holy God.

  177. We declare his holiness. That is what's

  178. being declared in heaven. And we have

  179. the privilege to declare that as well.

  180. And so notice here with me um that these

  181. chapters are really important. These

  182. chapters can lift up. Listen, these

  183. chapters can lift up your soul in the

  184. midst of pain and struggle and hardship.

  185. When you and I remember the scene that

  186. is in heaven, when we remember the

  187. greater reality than this life, what did

  188. you just say, Pastor Andrew? The greater

  189. reality. How is there something more

  190. real than right now? Oh, friend, there's

  191. something far more real than right now.

  192. There's so much you don't know. And in

  193. fact, there's so much that you and I are

  194. deceived about.

  195. We can be we we we see as the Apostle

  196. Paul wrote, "We see through a glass

  197. darkly right now. We don't really see

  198. clearly who God is, who we are, what the

  199. condition of the world is." I mean,

  200. there's a lot of fog. Now, what we do

  201. see that is right comes from God's word.

  202. But the Apostle Paul said, "Right now,

  203. we see through a glass darkly, but one

  204. day we're going to see clearly and we're

  205. going to see him face to face." Well,

  206. Revelation 456 and 7 and 8, I mean,

  207. these this is this is one of our

  208. greatest pictures of the true reality

  209. that we're coming into. And so, this is

  210. I I love these chapters. Um, and some of

  211. them uh have verses that really go with

  212. each other in the scene in heaven. And I

  213. want you to see this. It's glorious. Um,

  214. so first of all, the sovereign throne.

  215. So the first thing that we're going to

  216. look at here is chapter 4. Fill that in.

    Isaiah 4 chapter mention

  217. The sovereign throne. And I want you to

  218. see that in the outline there. We're

  219. going to see an open door. We're going

  220. to see the throne at the center. We're

  221. going to see 24 elders. We're going to

  222. see four living creatures. And what do

  223. they cry out?

  224. Holy, holy, holy. And this is also shown

  225. to Isaiah long before Revelation was

  226. ever written. 700 years almost 800 years

  227. before Revelation was written. The the

  228. prophet Isaiah has a vision as well. And

  229. he sees the Lord seated on his throne

  230. high and exalted. Um and the the train

  231. of his robe is filling the temple. um

  232. and he sees angels crying out, "Holy,

  233. holy, holy is the Lord." In Ezekiel 1,

  234. we see the same scene. So, it's very

  235. interesting um as this. And then we see

  236. the worship of the creator. So, let's

  237. just jump in right now and and I pray

  238. that God's that God's word just blesses

  239. you tonight as we just kind of read and

  240. then we'll we'll zip on to chapter 5.

  241. Look at this. The throne in heaven,

  242. number one, verse one. Chapter 4, verse

  243. one. After this, I looked and behold a

  244. door standing open in heaven. So John's

  245. having this vision. I looked and behold

  246. a door standing open in heaven. And the

  247. first voice which voice which I heard

  248. speaking to me like a trumpet said,

  249. "Come up here and I will show you what

  250. must take place after this. At once I

  251. was in the spirit and behold," so it's

  252. as like he got whisked away. He goes up

  253. there. At once I was in the spirit and

  254. behold a throne stood in heaven with one

  255. seated on the throne. That's what a king

  256. does. He reigns from his throne. And

  257. when he is in his greatest place of

  258. authority and decree, he is seated.

  259. You know, I mean, even the Roman

  260. Catholic Church, they they make a big

  261. deal of when the pope sits and speaks ex

  262. cathedral, they believe that he's

  263. infallible. I do not believe that. Um,

  264. but that's that's one of the but the

  265. idea is when he sits and he speaks as if

  266. in a throne, it's excited. This is the

  267. real king and this is the one who really

  268. reigns over all things, but he's seated

  269. on a throne. Verse three. And he who sat

  270. there had the appearance of jasper and

  271. carnelon. And around the throne was a

  272. rainbow that had the appearance of an

  273. emerald. And around the throne were 24

  274. thrones seated on the thrones which were

  275. 24 elders clothed in white garments with

  276. golden crowns on their heads. From the

  277. throne came flashes of lightning and

  278. rumblings and peels of thunder. And

  279. before the throne were burning seven

  280. torches of fire, which are the seven

  281. spirits of God. And before the throne

  282. there was as it were a sea of glass like

  283. crystal.

  284. Listen to this. And around the throne

  285. and on each side are four living

  286. creatures full of eyes in front and

  287. behind. And the first living creature

  288. like a lion and the second living

  289. creature like an ox and the third living

  290. creature with the face of a man and the

  291. fourth living creature like an eagle in

  292. flight. And the four living creatures,

  293. each of them with six wings, are full of

  294. eyes all around and within. And day and

  295. night they never cease to say, read it

  296. out loud, "Holy, holy, holy is the Lord

  297. God Almighty, who was and who is and is

  298. to come." That's why we sing holy, holy,

  299. holy. And then eventually casting down

  300. their golden crowns around. What does it

  301. say? Around the

  302. >> glassy sea. That's the idea. You see

  303. this the sea of glass

  304. um like crystal. So when we sing that

  305. song, it's coming from Revelation 4.

  306. And whenever the living creatures give

  307. glory and honor and thanks to him who is

  308. seated on the throne who lives forever

  309. and ever, the 24 elders fall down before

  310. him who is seated on the throne and

  311. worship him who lives forever and ever.

  312. And they cast their crowns before the

  313. throne. That's exactly what we sing.

  314. Saying, read it out loud with me. Verse

  315. 11. Worthy are you, our Lord and God, to

  316. receive glory and honor and power, for

  317. you created all things, and by your will

  318. they existed and were created. So look

  319. over at our outline. What we said is

  320. this is the sovereign throne. And so

  321. when we sing even rise with the sun and

  322. we're referencing that we're coming from

  323. this place of God's ultimate picture in

  324. heaven and it's the picture of God as

  325. creator. God as creator. You can put

  326. that out there to the side. And we're

  327. worshiping him as that. And then we come

  328. to verse or chapter five. The worthy

  329. lamb. the worthy lamb. And there's the

  330. sealed scroll. Look with me in the very

  331. next verse there. Chapter 5 verse one.

  332. Then

  333. I saw a mighty angel proclaiming with a

  334. loud voice, who is worthy to open the

  335. scroll and to break its seals? Verse

  336. three. And no one in heaven or on earth

  337. or under the earth was able to open the

  338. scroll or to look into it. And look what

  339. John says in verse four. And I began to

  340. weep loudly because no one was found

  341. worthy to open the scroll or to look

  342. into it. And one of the elders said to

  343. me, "Weep no more. Behold, the lion of

  344. the tribe of Judah, the root of David,

  345. has conquered so that he can open the

  346. scroll and its seven seals. and between

  347. the throne and the 24 and and the four

  348. living elders. And among the elders, I

  349. saw a lamb standing

  350. as though it had been slain

  351. with seven horns and with seven eyes,

  352. which are the seven spirits of God, sent

  353. out into all the earth. And he went and

  354. took the scroll from the right hand of

  355. him who was seated on the throne. And

  356. when he had taken the scroll, the four

  357. living creatures and the 24 elders fell

  358. down before the lamb, each holding a

  359. harp and golden bowls full of incense,

  360. which are the prayers of the saints. And

  361. they sang a new song,

  362. saying, You want to read it? Let's read

  363. it. Worthy are you to take the scroll

  364. and to open its seals. For you were

  365. slain, and by your blood you ransomed

  366. people for God from every tribe and

  367. language and people and nation. And you

  368. have made them a kingdom and priests to

  369. our God. And they shall reign on the

  370. earth. So you see that's that's what we

  371. were looking at Sunday that this is this

  372. is the picture that the lamb of God is

  373. there. He's the only one who can open

  374. the scroll. This idea of the of the

  375. decree of God, the will of God, the

  376. ultimate plan of God, the book of life

  377. as it were, the salvation that he

  378. purchased with his blood.

  379. And we see that people from every tribe

  380. and every tongue are going to be saved.

  381. This is this is what this the song is

  382. that they sang.

  383. Verse 11. Then I looked and I heard

  384. around the throne and the living

  385. creatures and the elders and the voice

  386. of m many angels numbering myriads of

  387. myriads, thousands of thousands with a

  388. loud voice. Worthy is the lamb who was

  389. slain to receive power and wealth and

  390. wisdom and might and honor and glory and

  391. blessing. Verse 13. And I heard every

  392. creature in heaven and on earth and

  393. under the earth and in the sea and all

  394. that is in them saying to him who sits

  395. on the throne to the lamb be blessing

  396. and honor and glory and might forever

  397. and ever. Verse 14. And the four living

  398. creatures said amen. And the elders fell

  399. down and what did they do?

  400. >> Worshiped.

  401. >> And worshiped. You see, this is all

  402. about the glory of God in the worship of

  403. his people,

  404. the worship of the redeemed,

  405. and really to some degree, the worship

  406. of everyone who's ever lived because

  407. they will come to recognize who he is.

  408. And even though it'll be everlastingly

  409. too late for some, they will confess him

  410. as Lord. And so, this is a glorious,

  411. glorious picture. So notice this in

  412. Roman numeral number two. It's the

  413. worthy lamb. Hopefully you've already

  414. filled that in and the sealed scroll.

  415. The lamb who was or the lion who is the

  416. lamb and the worship of the redeemer.

  417. That's what we just read. And it's God

  418. as not just creator but God as redeemer.

  419. We see this lamb of God, the seven

  420. spirits of God uh gloriously portrayed.

  421. And then we see the opening of the

  422. seals. And um we're not going to read

  423. all of uh uh chapter 6, but I want you

  424. to notice this. The four horsemen. Um

  425. and we see the conquest, war, famine,

  426. and death. And this is the picture of

  427. the runup to the end. This is the

  428. picture of the wrath of God being

  429. exacted upon the earth. the earth in all

  430. of its wickedness and its evil and its

  431. even rejection of his people and its

  432. seeking to stamp out the righteous who

  433. have been saved. And so we see in this

  434. as well the cry of the martyrs

  435. verses 9- 11 and then we see the sixth

  436. seal the day of wrath verses 12- 27.

  437. Now, what is interesting is this this

  438. really mimics

  439. um Jesus's own words in Matthew 24

  440. toward the end of his life. Jesus

  441. declares and describes what it's going

  442. to be like as the world continues to

  443. rage against God. And then as we come to

  444. what I believe is the great tribulation

  445. um the great the great terror that is

  446. going to be exacted upon the earth and I

  447. do believe that there's going to be some

  448. who are rescued out of that perhaps the

  449. Jewish people rescued some are rescued

  450. from that and we we see different

  451. aspects of that and in fact as we come

  452. into um chapter 7 Um, we see that. So,

  453. this is God, if you haven't filled it in

  454. already, this is God as judge. God as

  455. judge in this great travail.

  456. And then chapter 7, we see another part

  457. that we sang on Sunday and at other

  458. times. And I want you to see this. Um,

  459. verses 7-8 or chapter 7:es 1-8. Look

  460. what it says there. Um, and after this I

  461. saw four angels standing at the four

  462. corners of the earth, holding back the

  463. four winds of the earth, and no wind

  464. might blow on earth or sea or against

  465. any tree. Then I saw another angel

  466. ascending from the rising of the sun in

  467. the seal of the living God. And he

  468. called with a loud voice to the four

  469. angels who had been given power to harm

  470. earth and seas, saying, "Do not harm the

  471. earth or the sea or the trees until we

  472. have sealed the servants of our God on

  473. their foreheads. And I heard the number

  474. of the sealed 144,000 sealed from every

  475. tribe of the sons of Israel." And then

  476. there's um the 12 tribes of the sons of

  477. Israel with two replacements we see in

  478. this. And um that's the idea of the

  479. 144,000. Some would say this is the idea

  480. that during the great tribulation, the

  481. Jews who have been unbelievably

  482. resistant to the gospel for really since

  483. the Old Testament that some um 144,000

  484. possibly would be gloriously saved there

  485. at the end of the tribulation. But

  486. notice this. So even the re even God's

  487. chosen people coming to salvation in

  488. Christ. Look with me at the next section

  489. here. What does it say in your Bible

  490. above verse 9?

  491. >> Okay. Many of your Bibles say, "A great

  492. multitude from every nation." And this

  493. is where I want to read and end out uh

  494. tonight. Notice this. After this, I

  495. looked, and behold, a great multitude

  496. that no one could number

  497. from every nation, from all tribes and

  498. peoples and languages, standing before

  499. the throne

  500. and before the Lamb,

  501. clothed in white robes, with palm

  502. branches in their hands, and crying out

  503. with a loud voice. What are they crying

  504. out? Read it out loud. Salvation belongs

  505. to our God who sits on the throne and to

  506. the lamb in verse 11. And after the

  507. angels were standing or and all the

  508. angels were standing around the throne

  509. and around the elders and the four

  510. living creatures and they fell on their

  511. faces before the throne in worship God

  512. saying, "Amen. Blessing and glory and

  513. wisdom and thanksgiving and honor and

  514. power and might be to our God forever

  515. and ever. Amen. Now, it would be worth

  516. your study to do a a word study. When

  517. you see things like that where there's

  518. lists in the Bible, it's not a bad idea

  519. to take a week or two or three of your

  520. life and do a word study of all those

  521. words that are right there and ask

  522. yourself, why might God have this being

  523. declared

  524. in his presence? When you see a list

  525. like that, don't just write it off as a

  526. bunch of similar things. Every word in

  527. the word of God is there for a reason.

  528. and you'll be blessed as you study it,

  529. whether it's the judgments or whether

  530. it's the glories. Notice this in verse

  531. 13.

  532. Then one of the elders addressed me,

  533. saying, "Who are these clothed in white

  534. robes, and from where have they come?"

  535. And I said to him, "Sir, you know?" And

  536. he said to me, "These are the ones

  537. coming out of the great tribulation.

  538. They have washed their robes and made

  539. them what?

  540. >> White in the blood of the lamb. How many

  541. of you would have ever thought that

  542. anything washed in blood would be white?

  543. What color should it be?

  544. >> Red.

  545. But the picture here

  546. is white is obviously something that

  547. represents purity.

  548. And so the only way that we are made

  549. pure, the only way that we're made

  550. clean, clean, holy, is through the

  551. forgiveness that comes in the blood of

  552. the lamb.

  553. This is the way it works.

  554. Look at that. At the end of verse 14,

  555. they have washed their robes and made

  556. them white in the blood of the lamb.

  557. Therefore, they are before the throne of

  558. God and serve him day and night in the

  559. temple. And he who sits on the throne

  560. will shelter them with his presence.

  561. They shall hunger no more, neither

  562. neither thirst anymore, and the sun

  563. shall not strike them, nor any scorching

  564. heat. Verse 17. For the Lamb in the

  565. midst of the throne will be their

  566. shepherd, and he will guide them to

  567. springs of living water. I love this.

  568. And God will wipe away every tear from

  569. their eyes.

  570. >> Amen.

  571. This is the great salvation of God.

  572. Isn't Revelation good to read?

  573. >> It's good to read and it's good to sing.

  574. But what we've wanted to do is just

  575. recognize this as God as savior. So it's

  576. one thing to redeem. He pays the price.

  577. But here we see that they are saved all

  578. the way to the end. They are saved and

  579. he wipes away every tear.

  580. This is the great multitude. This is

  581. people from everywhere.

  582. And this is why you and I have a job

  583. before God. Revelation 4, 5, 6, and 7 is

  584. not merely a picture of heaven. It's the

  585. goal of history.

  586. God gathering a redeemed, bloodbought

  587. multitude from every nation to worship

  588. the lamb forever.

  589. fill it in. And missions is how he gets

  590. them there.

  591. God has designed it for us to be on

  592. mission with him. He wants to use every

  593. single one of us.

  594. Um there's a lot of people say, "Amen.

  595. Preach it, brother."

  596. And they refuse to do anything

  597. differently in their life.

  598. about sharing Christ,

  599. about praying for his kingdom to come

  600. and his will to be done

  601. or about giving about sacrificing for

  602. what he's called us to do. Friends, we

  603. can't just say, "Amen, preach it,

  604. brother."

  605. What we need to do is do it.

  606. And we need to be a church that does it.

  607. We need to learn how to share our faith.

  608. We need to we need to be willing to take

  609. time to talk to somebody. We need to be

  610. willing to live it out.

  611. We need to be willing to sacrifice so

  612. that the gospel can go.

  613. And so we talked about it Sunday. We're

  614. called to pray, give, and go. And so we

  615. ought to be a church that never gets

  616. tired of hearing about that. Amen.

  617. >> And do it more and more as time goes on.

  618. Well, um, tonight I want us to just

  619. check our hearts on that. I'd like to

  620. lead us in prayer. And, um, with your

  621. head bowed and your eyes closed, if you

  622. would right now, I'd like to ask you a

  623. couple of questions.

  624. What have you just read

  625. in Revelation 456, and 7?

  626. You've just read about the sure thing,

  627. the greater reality that's on its way.

  628. Do you believe that?

  629. Well, if you believe that and if you

  630. believe that that is the God whom we

  631. serve in all of his glory,

  632. what is it that compares to him that we

  633. would hold on to?

  634. Your car,

  635. your clothes, your house,

  636. your retirement,

  637. your collection of this or of that,

  638. your vacations.

  639. Is all that just have a higher priority

  640. than God's glory in your life,

  641. your job?

  642. Father, I pray that this morning or this

  643. evening that there would be no thing

  644. in my heart

  645. that I would value more than this scene

  646. in heaven

  647. and the fact that

  648. one day

  649. by the blood of the lamb I'm going to be

  650. there

  651. and And if I'm there, Lord, I I don't

  652. want to be there

  653. with regrets.

  654. And there's some indication in scripture

  655. that there's the possibility for regret.

  656. So Lord, I pray that we'd be the kind of

  657. people that start to pattern our lives

  658. in such a way that we're living so

  659. there'll be no regrets and that we have

  660. given the king, given the master

  661. all that he deserves and all that he's

  662. asked for

  663. in our lives. Lord, I I pray that you

  664. would help me and Marcy to live like

  665. that more. And I pray for our brothers

  666. and sisters. I pray that our church

  667. would be characterized by that. Lord, I

  668. pray that our children would see true

  669. faith in us. People who are living for

  670. another kingdom and that they would see

  671. that our faith is genuine

  672. and therefore they would follow in our

  673. footsteps. I pray in Jesus name I pray.

  674. Amen. Amen. I'm going to ask um Pastor

  675. William and Pastor Ben and uh Roberto

  676. and Lao to come. I'm going to sit this

  677. one out a little bit and let Pastor Ben

  678. kind of help Pastor uh uh William come

  679. and I want you to hear about what

  680. happened in Colombia uh over the last

  681. few days. Um, we sent this team uh to

  682. Colombia and they met and worked with a

  683. group of pastors uh that came and uh I

  684. was hearing some of those stories today

  685. and was super excited about that, super

  686. glad to hear about that. And um I just I

  687. want you to hear um from them what had

  688. happened. So, Pastor Ben, why don't you

  689. just kind of get us going on that and uh

  690. I'll get this thing out of the way here.

  691. >> Well, it's a joy to um have these men up

  692. on stage. Uh Pastor William and Pastor

  693. Jason led this team to Colombia. Um and

  694. Colombia is interesting because it's

  695. like really close to us, but it feels so

  696. far in so many ways culturally and it

  697. feels um different. I mean, it's a

  698. completely different part of the

  699. Americas. Uh, and there's a different

  700. culture. There's a different obviously

  701. even Christian culture. And then when

  702. you dig even deeper, there's a Christian

  703. different Christian pastoral culture.

  704. And so these u men went to to go

  705. minister to pastors and and their

  706. families. Um, and not just pastors, but

  707. other people in the church that were

  708. part of this. Um, one of the biggest

  709. things uh that we we have to understand

  710. is that there's theological famine in

  711. the rest of the world um in a lot of

  712. places like where um Pastor Jason,

  713. Pastor William uh went. We've had this

  714. relationship with this church in

  715. Colombia for many years. Uh originally

  716. when Ricardo Munoz who you you all know

  717. Ricardo Munoz, he's our veterinarian,

  718. resident theologian, biblical counselor,

  719. and what other thing does he do? He does

  720. a lot. But uh we met uh Ricardo and I

  721. met with Jose who is a key pastor in

  722. that area several years ago and he came

  723. to our church to visit Sheran Hills

  724. Baptist Church and on a Sunday morning

  725. was struck by by our worship just the

  726. music the preaching the teaching

  727. starting point and was asking us to come

  728. to Colombia to help their pastors and

  729. their churches think like Sheridan

  730. Hills. Now, Sheridan Hills is again, as

  731. one of the pastors here, of course, I'm

  732. biased. This is the best church I think

  733. I've ever served in, but it's also the

  734. only church I've ever served in the last

  735. 10 years. So, there you go.

  736. Um, by God's grace, uh, he is using

  737. Sheridan Hills in other parts of of the

  738. world. Um, I also am so proud of Roberto

  739. and Lao. Uh, I get to be a part of their

  740. disciplehip group. And I just want to

  741. point out that two guys in our

  742. disciplehip group got to go on this

  743. trip. So that's awesome. Um Lao and

  744. Roberto, this is their first trip. This

  745. was your first trip uh with Sheridan

  746. Hills. Is that right?

  747. >> Yes,

  748. >> that's correct.

  749. >> How was it? Tell us uh big picture

  750. things about your trip to Colombia.

  751. Leo, go ahead. He already debriefed a

  752. little bit. We didn't get to debrief

  753. with Roberto, but

  754. >> yes, yesterday in our lol. Um

  755. I don't know. hard to put in words. I

  756. mean, there were so many different

  757. things going on. Um, I didn't, to be

  758. honest, I didn't know what to expect. I

  759. was kind of nervous about it. Yeah.

  760. Especially because

  761. >> we were going to, you know, teach or

  762. share to to adults. uh even though it

  763. was a great opportunity, something that

  764. we had in our hearts especially with

  765. with my wife going to South America from

  766. where we are and because we know about

  767. that, you know, absence of theology or

  768. understanding of the gospel. Um we said,

  769. okay, it's a great opportunity,

  770. something that we had in our hearts. uh

  771. but also going you know with the pastors

  772. and Roberto I we we know from from our

  773. group and we started coming to church

  774. here together at the same time we did a

  775. starting point together um and we have

  776. our kids that they're friends so that

  777. was fine regard we have a great

  778. relationship uh but it was really a new

  779. experience and a great opportunity so I

  780. don't know it was

  781. >> was that your first time in Colombia or

  782. or you've been to Colia many times.

  783. >> Columbia many times because my

  784. brother-in-law actually lives in Medí.

  785. >> But this experience that you went to

  786. teaching adults and going with them that

  787. that was new for you being in that in

  788. that Christian environment and and

  789. working with Christians and and teaching

  790. them and having to have interactions

  791. with them.

  792. >> Yes.

  793. >> What were you were you expecting them to

  794. be solid rockstar Christians or were you

  795. expecting them to to have a base level

  796. of knowledge like barely biblically

  797. literate? What was your expectation?

  798. >> I had no idea. I had no idea. I I tried

  799. not to think about it because I knew

  800. that maybe we were going to find, you

  801. know, not a great solid, you know, Bible

  802. church or churches or pastors or

  803. pastoras. I mean, I was like, okay, what

  804. what are we going to see?

  805. >> Everybody heard what he just said,

  806. pastor.

  807. >> So, you weren't sure. You were you were

  808. going in kind of blind, right?

  809. >> Yes. Yeah. No, absolutely. Especially

  810. with all the prosperity and Pentecostal

  811. or charismatic, you know, usually our

  812. experience coming from South America is

  813. that

  814. >> the evangelic churches are, you know,

  815. kind of weird.

  816. >> Well, let's take a step back a little

  817. bit because when Pastor William and

  818. Pastor Jason approached you ongoing,

  819. what did they tell you was the goal of

  820. the trip?

  821. >> They didn't share much.

  822. They said, "Okay, we have this

  823. opportunity to go." And we knew a little

  824. bit because, you know, past experiences

  825. with people who, you know, the team who

  826. were there and we we spoke with Chuck

  827. last year when when they went and we had

  828. that but

  829. >> not much from them when what was the

  830. plan?

  831. >> Well, good brother. You came back. What

  832. was the goal of your point of what was

  833. the point of going?

  834. >> Mine?

  835. >> Yeah. Oh, mine was really to get that

  836. opportunity to go and share and and help

  837. and equip the the the church, the

  838. pastors, you know, everybody involved

  839. and trying to give them some better

  840. understanding and direction.

  841. >> Yeah.

  842. >> On how a church should look like, uh how

  843. the the teaching should look like, uh

  844. what is right, what is wrong, you know,

  845. trying to give them some light.

  846. >> Yeah. Roberto, you were from Colombia

  847. and in one of the ways it felt like you

  848. were you were going home. In other ways,

  849. it's a new place. Tell us about your

  850. experience with that.

  851. >> Yeah, that that was so strange because

  852. yes, you're right. I'm from Colombia.

  853. I'm from Bgotaa. Um, but to be honest, I

  854. did not know Kartahena at all. Um,

  855. >> had you ever been there before? had had

  856. been there as a as a child probably six

  857. or seven but obviously didn't have any

  858. recollection of of the city.

  859. >> It's not Colombia it's pretty much the

  860. same right

  861. >> so no it was very different to what I

  862. had in my mind because I always hear

  863. Kartahena

  864. you know the the tourist attraction and

  865. the city full of people and tourists

  866. that you know it's a beautiful city a

  867. very old city but we were in a different

  868. mission.

  869. >> Yeah.

  870. >> And um you know It was it was uh

  871. different from that perspective

  872. definitely. Uh so much that I did to you

  873. know it's something that I'm going to

  874. tell here. I forgot my Colombian

  875. passport.

  876. >> I you know I thought I was going to a

  877. different place and

  878. >> I just found out at the airport and I

  879. and I told Pastor Jason you know I just

  880. remember I forgot my Colombian passport.

  881. I hope I'm not going to

  882. >> Your heart dropped.

  883. >> So did your heart drop a little bit?

  884. >> You know I was thinking and and then I

  885. said you know Lord you're in control. So

  886. What's what's the difference in

  887. population between Bogotaa where you

  888. grew up and Kurtina?

  889. >> Culturally is very different. Um people

  890. in Bogotaa it's it's different weather

  891. first of all. So we all kind of dress

  892. differently. You know you have uh

  893. sweaters, jackets, pants and all that

  894. because it's cold. Kartahena is right on

  895. the coast. So it's, you know, shorts,

  896. t-shirt, you know, very festive

  897. environment most of the time. very um

  898. it's not that Bogotaian people from

  899. Bogotaa are not uh you know happy or or

  900. cheerful but it's different right the

  901. culture is different music uh food and

  902. all that so definitely you can you can

  903. see

  904. >> what's the population difference between

  905. those two cities

  906. >> oh huge um Botaa we were kind of looking

  907. at that it's about 11 and a half million

  908. >> and um Cartahena in that area is

  909. probably 1.5

  910. >> just 1.5 million in Cartahena.

  911. >> So you guys landed you guys landed at

  912. the airport

  913. >> with it

  914. >> and you guys got out when you're going

  915. through the city cuz you were there as a

  916. young kid.

  917. >> Um you weren't a believer at the time

  918. when you went to Kartahena, but now

  919. you're a Christian man.

  920. >> Yeah.

  921. >> You've been a Christian for a long time

  922. at this point.

  923. >> You get out. Tell us what you see. Tell

  924. us what you what you're thinking as you

  925. come into this city again.

  926. Well, you see you start seeing a lot of

  927. need uh both physical need uh but but

  928. mostly spiritual. Um we you know we it's

  929. funny because we were the transportation

  930. method we used was Uber

  931. >> and a couple times maybe even three uh

  932. we ran out into into Christian drivers

  933. >> but then you start talking to them and

  934. they their theology is completely

  935. you know somewhere else.

  936. >> What do they believe? um you know they

  937. they start talking about having a pastor

  938. at the church. Okay. they're start

  939. talking about, you know, doing these

  940. things and, you know, kind of like uh

  941. the whole legalistic portion of it. And

  942. um you know in a way it was it was it

  943. was sad to see that and because you feel

  944. like that that huge need and I think

  945. that defined a lot of purpose to our

  946. trip because you know we were there with

  947. the mission of

  948. >> um sharing with with leaders with

  949. pastors and their wives and and it was

  950. encouraging to see the reception that

  951. that they had to

  952. >> very different very different from what

  953. you experienced in

  954. >> Yeah. Yeah definitely. Leia, would you

  955. walk us through um what did we teach on

  956. and then we've got a slide we're going

  957. to put up that kind of talks about some

  958. of the specific subject matter that we

  959. were seeking to cover with the pastors.

  960. >> Well, the the main point was about

  961. disciplehip and that was that was great

  962. and was really

  963. I mean we had a lot of u

  964. reception from them. uh in regards to

  965. that that's something that they really

  966. welcomed on on on the topic which was

  967. was really good. Uh so we went through

  968. three days. Uh the first day uh pastor

  969. Jason uh did a an an explanation of what

  970. disciplehip is. Uh then we based from

  971. what Jesus actually uh his disciplehip

  972. um process during the the three years of

  973. ministry with the discip disciples. Uh

  974. that was pastor William and then Roberto

  975. uh finished the the day was a very

  976. extensive day. Uh then on the second day

  977. we had the opening questions from them.

  978. So we received a lot of questions. Then

  979. we did Kerry Kerry Walls who was also

  980. part of the group opened with a

  981. disciplehip having a clear aim on and

  982. godly examples. Then I presented the

  983. tool for the personalized spiritual

  984. growth path which is one of the tools

  985. that we start we learned on the LOL

  986. process. Um then we did dealing with sin

  987. in disciplehip by Curry. Um Ricardo took

  988. the time to do bibl biblical counseling

  989. um this as disciplehip process. Then I

  990. did yeah I did the gospel walls uh which

  991. I plagiarized uh pastor Andrew uh

  992. because I use his teaching on numbers.

  993. Uh

  994. >> do you remember what the gospel walts

  995. is? You just taught about it. So tell us

  996. what the gospel walts is.

  997. >> I danced the the walts.

  998. >> Did you dance it? Tell us what it is

  999. exactly. The three step.

  1000. >> Well the the first step it's about um

  1001. the

  1002. >> repenting.

  1003. >> Repent. Oh, no. I repent. Re repent.

  1004. Believe. And now you put me in the spot.

  1005. I'm the third. Obey. Obey. Obey. Obey.

  1006. That's the third one.

  1007. >> Yeah. So, repenting, believing, and

  1008. obeying the gospel. You know, it's it's

  1009. interesting. Uh you just heard Laos talk

  1010. about LOL doesn't mean laugh out loud.

  1011. Some some people think it means laugh

  1012. out loud.

  1013. >> In the context of Sheridan Hills, in our

  1014. church, LOL means life on life. And

  1015. there are groups happening right now in

  1016. our church that you may not be aware of,

  1017. especially if you're new to us. There's

  1018. no reason why you would be aware of it.

  1019. But we're taking Jesus at his word. A

  1020. lot of what Leia was just describing in

  1021. terms of teaching content follows what

  1022. Jesus said, go make disciples. Sheran

  1023. Hills's way of doing that is through

  1024. little groups called Life on Life, LOL.

  1025. And so right now there's over 50 people

  1026. involved in life on life. And eventually

  1027. that'll grow more and more what we call

  1028. multiplicative

  1029. disciplehip. And so what we're doing

  1030. with these pastors, Leo just um hinted

  1031. at it because they're part of um my life

  1032. on life group and pastor William also

  1033. leads a life on life group and so does

  1034. pastor Jason. We're trying to inspire

  1035. these pastors and their wives to think

  1036. about disciplehip, not playing church,

  1037. but being the church and going out and

  1038. and sharing the gospel. I want you to

  1039. hear from Pastor William because Pastor

  1040. William is is a pastor here. And by the

  1041. way, uh Pastor William is an expositor.

  1042. He teaches the Bible, too. There's a lot

  1043. of guys who lead music and they're

  1044. called worship pastor and they don't

  1045. know how to teach the Bible. Um, that's

  1046. a shame because uh they shouldn't be

  1047. called pastor. The the point of a pastor

  1048. is that they're able to teach. Well,

  1049. Pastor William is our lead music uh

  1050. pastor, but he also teaches the Bible

  1051. very clearly and very well. And so, I

  1052. want you to hear his perspective going

  1053. there as a pastor from Sheridan Hills,

  1054. going to Colombia and working with other

  1055. pastors and other ministers. Tell us

  1056. what that was like for you.

  1057. >> Um, to some degree, you don't know what

  1058. you're stepping into, right? Um, you

  1059. know, I'm going in order to try and have

  1060. impact on on people who are there.

  1061. >> Um, but we don't know what background

  1062. they're coming from. We don't know what

  1063. foundations they stand on and which ones

  1064. they don't. And so, you come in

  1065. basically to lay a foundation to say,

  1066. "Okay, I'm not sure where everybody's

  1067. at, but what we know is the firm

  1068. foundation is God's word." And so,

  1069. that's why what Leo just walked us

  1070. through there in the curriculum that we

  1071. taught was seeking to help everybody to

  1072. come back to a biblical worldview, a

  1073. biblical perspective of what disciplehip

  1074. was. Uh and so we did that in large

  1075. groups. Um this next slide right here,

  1076. this is um on the third day, the pastors

  1077. and their wives who were uh there on on

  1078. the Saturday day, but we also did that

  1079. in small group gatherings. Uh during the

  1080. mornings, during the days, not all the

  1081. pastors, many of them are bivocational.

  1082. They couldn't be there in the mornings.

  1083. Uh but like right here, uh we had times

  1084. of question and answer. And I kind of

  1085. expected it would all just be like, "Oh,

  1086. help me to understand about

  1087. disciplehip." But there were just some

  1088. very deep questions and a lot of hurts

  1089. and a lot of like how do I manage family

  1090. and ministry and work and some of the

  1091. same things that we we struggle with in

  1092. America, right? In terms of balance and

  1093. priority and how do I shepherd people

  1094. and um and so Pastor Jason and I and

  1095. Curry um sought to answer questions

  1096. based off of of what we've experienced

  1097. in ministry, but also based off of God's

  1098. word. Um, we spent time uh in prayer

  1099. together with those men. Um, we even

  1100. went to um this picture right here is P

  1101. pastor Hot uh on the It's a little bit

  1102. blurred out with the the light behind

  1103. him, but uh in the white t-shirt there,

  1104. he's the primary pastor at uh at the IG

  1105. church, which is where we we met for

  1106. most of our

  1107. >> That's the guy that visited our church a

  1108. couple years ago and said, "Could you

  1109. guys just

  1110. >> do in Colombia what you guys are doing

  1111. here for us?"

  1112. >> Right. not not for us, but showing us

  1113. how to do it. Yeah.

  1114. >> We we don't know. One striking

  1115. conversation with with Jose, who's who's

  1116. a really humble man,

  1117. >> he was shocked when he found out that

  1118. our pastors pray together. We have two

  1119. prayer times a week, Tuesdays and

  1120. Fridays. He was shocked. And he said, "I

  1121. I don't ever do that with the guys that

  1122. I'm pastoring with except on Sundays

  1123. when they meet together for church." and

  1124. he immediately went back and applied

  1125. that praying together as pastors and and

  1126. caring for the flock. Uh go ahead,

  1127. Pastor William. Yeah.

  1128. >> So, this was interesting because it was

  1129. a different context. You So, we had

  1130. context with large group and then small

  1131. group and then this was almost like

  1132. one-on-one. This is literally in his

  1133. home. They invited us into their home uh

  1134. provided a lunch for us and then he was

  1135. asking specific questions and seeking to

  1136. learn and grow.

  1137. >> Um this picture right here uh is is

  1138. picture my face looks really weird in

  1139. this one. I think that there was like a

  1140. purple light shining on my face or

  1141. something. I promise I didn't have a big

  1142. L on my face, but um so about I think

  1143. >> he had a a mustache and it was painted

  1144. per and then they had to shave it off.

  1145. He said we can't do that.

  1146. >> Yeah.

  1147. >> So we had u the the three churches I I

  1148. preached at at IG on Sunday morning.

  1149. Pastor Jason preached two services in

  1150. another church. There was a third church

  1151. that Curry preached at. And so the

  1152. pastors of all three of those churches

  1153. took us out to lunch and we were able to

  1154. talk with them personally over over

  1155. meals. Um, and so you can see that the

  1156. forums were all different. Sometimes

  1157. large groups, sometimes small group,

  1158. sometimes one-on-one, sometimes in

  1159. somebody's home, but the goal was to be

  1160. able to help move them the next step

  1161. down the road towards more and more

  1162. biblical disciplehip. So, do you want to

  1163. talk some about the impact of our team

  1164. and our guys together? How did how did

  1165. that connection work? Um, were there

  1166. challenges relationally and and how did

  1167. teaching together in that respect work?

  1168. >> Um, no. Actually, I'm I'm going to be

  1169. honest. I mean, this is the first time

  1170. that I spent five days with

  1171. >> Please be honest. It's church.

  1172. >> No, no, no. It's because no because I

  1173. was thinking about that I think

  1174. yesterday um that during those five days

  1175. it was there was nothing even minimum to

  1176. be challenged or you know any type of

  1177. stress or you know we were so aligned

  1178. since the beginning and even though we

  1179. got sick and everything that happened uh

  1180. >> you got sick together too.

  1181. >> Yeah.

  1182. >> Yes. Yes. I mean we do we were so bonded

  1183. that we even got sick all together.

  1184. >> Um we were even squashed in the back

  1185. seat together at times. Right.

  1186. >> We did. I mean but we really I mean all

  1187. those five days they they flew and we

  1188. coordinated everything even with the

  1189. teachings and the translation. We never

  1190. experienced translating. I mean Roberto

  1191. and I think it's the same. I mean we

  1192. never had that. Uh I always practice

  1193. because I don't know why I practice in

  1194. my mind but it's it's hard but we we

  1195. started and we connected right away uh

  1196. on those first meetings. And

  1197. >> who did you translate for?

  1198. >> Which of the pastors did you translate

  1199. for?

  1200. >> Well, mainly for him I was for pastor.

  1201. >> Yeah, I think that the first day we were

  1202. sitting randomly together. We didn't

  1203. plan and someone started talking and I

  1204. started translating. Let me tell you, as

  1205. a non-speaker or Mu Poco espanol,

  1206. they're over there going,

  1207. >> "The trust has to be high between Lao

  1208. and and William."

  1209. >> I was like, "What are they saying?" And

  1210. he'd be like, "They're sayingah." And he

  1211. he'd answer everything, you know, for

  1212. me, you know, and then I would say, "Can

  1213. you ask him such and such?" And then he

  1214. was he was my voice to be able to

  1215. communicate with the people that I

  1216. couldn't otherwise have communicated

  1217. with. And so I was so thankful for both

  1218. of these guys, you know, for all the

  1219. Spanish speakers. Everybody just jumped

  1220. in. We're needed in order to try and

  1221. help you one another in that.

  1222. >> Tell us tell us about the situation you

  1223. were telling me about where a guy is

  1224. talking to Pastor William and you're

  1225. translating back to Pastor William, but

  1226. you're also gatekeeping a little bit

  1227. because you're like, "We've got to we've

  1228. got to discern here. We got to figure

  1229. out what's going on." Yeah. Go ahead and

  1230. tell us.

  1231. >> Well, yes. One of the pastors started

  1232. sharing his testimony, which was kind of

  1233. awkward. And as I am listening to the

  1234. guy, I'm trying to think how I'm going

  1235. to tell Pastor William the crazy stuff

  1236. that this guy is sharing. Um, so it was

  1237. a do translation trying to filter. And

  1238. he's so excited trying to say, "Okay,

  1239. tell me, tell me, tell me." And I'm

  1240. like, "No, you don't want to know. You

  1241. don't want to know."

  1242. and and Lao is trying to protect the

  1243. time and because he knows it's precious

  1244. and he doesn't want to continue it. But

  1245. go ahead, tell them what happened.

  1246. >> I don't know. The guy started going with

  1247. stories that made no sense. uh and you

  1248. know demons and you know Jesus showed up

  1249. to his bedroom one time and the Satan

  1250. also showed up and then he got married

  1251. early but he was only married for 3

  1252. months but he had a 25 year old daughter

  1253. and the the time

  1254. >> they didn't line up line up at all.

  1255. >> I I was like that doesn't make sense and

  1256. he's like I agree.

  1257. >> I know. And at some point I was so

  1258. nervous that I started laughing when I

  1259. was I was translating and he's looking

  1260. at me and I'm like yes he's saying that

  1261. but out of respect I had to correct

  1262. myself and he's like we will talk later.

  1263. Let let me just say let me just say um

  1264. you know I I wanted Leo to share this

  1265. with you because I wanted you to see

  1266. this side of missions and ministry where

  1267. you're having to in real time. You're

  1268. not Leo's not Google translate here. Lao

  1269. is filtering and he's also taking what

  1270. William is saying and pastor William is

  1271. saying and he is interpreting not just

  1272. translating he is wanting to communicate

  1273. through William because he understands

  1274. what William's saying the end point

  1275. theologically but he is trying to

  1276. capture the idioms and the meaning and

  1277. the sense so that the people can

  1278. understand. So Lao is also doing a

  1279. crucial min. Roberto and Leo were doing

  1280. a crucial ministry by taking what Pastor

  1281. William and Pastor Jason were saying

  1282. from the Bible and translating it back

  1283. to the people so they can understand and

  1284. and you get quirky things like that

  1285. sometimes where you're trying to have to

  1286. work through idioms. So they work

  1287. through that. We

  1288. >> we learned that that Google Translate is

  1289. not super accurate. I had it running on

  1290. my phone. I just laid it there so I

  1291. could understand some of what was being

  1292. taught. And one of the guys was teaching

  1293. on the Moses raising the pole in the

  1294. wilderness with the the snake on it.

  1295. Remember? And if they looked at the

  1296. snake, they'd be healed. And Google

  1297. Translate said that Moses raised up a

  1298. rubber tire in the wilderness. And if

  1299. all the people looked at it, they were

  1300. saved. It's like, yeah, I'm pretty sure

  1301. that's not what it says. Yeah. So, it it

  1302. give, you know, when you read Romans 10,

  1303. it says, "How will they hear if nobody's

  1304. sent?"

  1305. >> Don't just think about Pastor William.

  1306. He's he's the pastor that goes and he's

  1307. the one who's bringing the teaching.

  1308. What Roberto and Leia were doing is

  1309. more if not the same crucial more

  1310. crucial because they're having to

  1311. translate into what into the language

  1312. they understand. Uh Roberto tell us

  1313. about your experience with translation

  1314. and teaching and communicating.

  1315. >> It was it was beautiful. I love what

  1316. what Leo is saying. Um before that I you

  1317. ask about also the kind of how it was

  1318. sharing with you know six guys all

  1319. together and I just want to say you know

  1320. having a an Argentinian two Colombians

  1321. Americans in a very tight place

  1322. >> there's always you know kind of that but

  1323. it was so beautiful it was like just um

  1324. >> collaborating all the time and and

  1325. looking for each other and you know when

  1326. someone was was teaching or or or

  1327. speaking u Leo was the first, you know,

  1328. kind of taking the the markers and and

  1329. helping putting the, you know, whatever

  1330. we needed on the board.

  1331. >> Um, and we all just kind of tried to to

  1332. take care of each other. That I just

  1333. wanted to say that was really beautiful

  1334. and and I learned a lot about them. Um,

  1335. and I thank God for that opportunity to

  1336. to kind of be together for so long and

  1337. and learn from each other. Have uh some

  1338. profound conversations too, right? when

  1339. we were, you know, early in the morning,

  1340. you know, in Colombia, actually the sun

  1341. comes up between 5:30 and 6.

  1342. >> So, you get up and you just like, okay,

  1343. it's kind of like almost 7, but it was

  1344. early. So, we had some good

  1345. conversations. Curry was kind of the

  1346. first one all the time. So, you would

  1347. you would count on him to be out and and

  1348. just, you know, have share a cup of

  1349. coffee and start talking and and, you

  1350. know, praising God for for the beauty.

  1351. >> He's retired, so he can do that.

  1352. >> Absolutely. Yeah. And um and that was

  1353. one part that it was just amazing of

  1354. what God did. Um in regards to teaching

  1355. and the experience translating and all

  1356. that. You just said something very

  1357. important.

  1358. >> Um we were always pointing people back

  1359. to the Bible.

  1360. >> Always always pointing people back to

  1361. the Bible. And there was a lady that

  1362. came um she was a leader and she you

  1363. know in between breaks I don't know if

  1364. you guys noticed that she she came she

  1365. was she was always sitting kind of on

  1366. the second row

  1367. >> um and and she said well you know you

  1368. guys come and and and always kind of uh

  1369. answer the questions kind of pointing

  1370. people back to the Bible and I just

  1371. noticed that and I said because that's

  1372. exactly what should be done. This is the

  1373. truth of God. We're not here to to tell

  1374. you our truth. my truth it doesn't

  1375. matter.

  1376. >> She was she was telling you in in a way

  1377. that was like

  1378. >> she was like

  1379. >> this is new this is new for me.

  1380. >> Yeah.

  1381. >> And she said yeah because you know

  1382. normally when when we see you know some

  1383. people that come and say this is is what

  1384. they believe and I said no this is the

  1385. truth of that we don't need to do

  1386. anything else. It's just going

  1387. >> such a great statement.

  1388. >> That was beautiful. Praise God.

  1389. >> It impacted me.

  1390. >> Yeah. Yeah.

  1391. >> When you go on a missions trip the goal

  1392. of course is the ministry. The goal is

  1393. imparting the word of God to the people,

  1394. but you also experience a new place. And

  1395. I think that for for all of us, you

  1396. mentioned some of the differences in

  1397. Cartahana, but this is a picture of like

  1398. one of the little streets. Um, and just

  1399. the architecture was beautiful in this

  1400. part of the city. This was in in the old

  1401. city.

  1402. >> And we even experienced there was like a

  1403. wedding going up on top of the city wall

  1404. up there. You can see all the

  1405. motorcycles. And yet we drove through

  1406. other parts of town that looked a little

  1407. bit more like this. I remember at one

  1408. point our drivers said, "Make sure that

  1409. no laptops or phones are visible at this

  1410. point. The windows are going to be

  1411. rolled up, doors are locked. This is not

  1412. a good part of town. If someone sees

  1413. something they want, they'll break the

  1414. window. They'll take it and they'll

  1415. run." And I was like, "Oh, okay. We'll

  1416. keep the window up then."

  1417. >> Um, you can just see, you know, as you

  1418. look through, you know, this is just

  1419. snapping shots as we drove through not

  1420. that part of town. My phone was was put

  1421. away during that part of the the visit.

  1422. But um you see poverty and um I think

  1423. this next one maybe is uh is that a

  1424. video clip? Will that go? No.

  1425. >> Yeah, let's go.

  1426. >> Good. Excellent. Um just driving through

  1427. the town and being able to see um in

  1428. this part of the area um it was right

  1429. off of a fishing area and they literally

  1430. just brought in two foot fish and

  1431. flopped them down on a table and then

  1432. people have you know all their goods

  1433. that are just being brought here. But

  1434. this is very different from what you

  1435. experience in Hollywood, right? Uh very

  1436. different from Indiana where I grew up.

  1437. And so part of a missions trip is you're

  1438. experiencing a brand new culture. Uh

  1439. there were things like uh this guy right

  1440. here uh selling bananas and yuka from

  1441. little carts. Those were all over the

  1442. place.

  1443. >> Um we experienced I had not experienced

  1444. this before, but this was I think this

  1445. was on your plate. Is that right? We

  1446. weren't sure what we were getting until

  1447. it came out, but they brought the whole

  1448. fish. It was it was all right there. And

  1449. uh you had to kind of pick through it, I

  1450. think, to

  1451. >> Yeah, I had to use my fingers to hit it.

  1452. It's the only way. It was the only way.

  1453. >> We were surprised by the the quantity of

  1454. motorcycles, you know, throughout uh the

  1455. area. Um in fact, I think that maybe

  1456. there's a video clip at some point. It

  1457. it's almost like it reminds me of Mario

  1458. Kart where there there were no traffic

  1459. lanes at all and cars were just like all

  1460. drifting everywhere, motorcycles in and

  1461. out. I didn't see any green shells

  1462. flying back at me, but it felt like it

  1463. felt like Mario Kart. Um, so, um, we

  1464. wanted to share with you also, um, the

  1465. church service on Sunday morning, at

  1466. least at IGA, that's where, uh, Lao and

  1467. I were at. We filmed this next, uh, clip

  1468. on Sunday morning. If you guys have got

  1469. the volume ready, we wanted you to see

  1470. what that looked like of that church

  1471. gathering.

  1472. Can you clip it for me, Danny?

  1473. >> Good morning, Sheridan Hills. I'm in

  1474. Cartahana, Colombia, worshiping with IG

  1475. Church, and they all wanted to say good

  1476. morning to you. Say good morning guys.

  1477. >> So that was not a large room but there

  1478. were many people in that room and like

  1479. after the first 10 minutes I mean it's

  1480. already like 90 degrees just outside uh

  1481. they had fans which was good but I was

  1482. the guy who played the keyboard um their

  1483. pastor hot was sick and they said can

  1484. you play the keyboard for our our Sunday

  1485. morning? that I happen to have an

  1486. ability to do that and so um played

  1487. played piano you know along with their

  1488. group and that was a special thing I

  1489. think that can we hear the audio of this

  1490. it's a song you'll recognize

  1491. >> that was special to be able to lead

  1492. worship a group of people all singing in

  1493. a different language. I was singing in

  1494. English still. That's the only language

  1495. I know.

  1496. >> But it was special to be able to lead

  1497. worship together with believers in

  1498. another part of the world. And I think

  1499. it just reminded me that the gospel has

  1500. impacted people from coast to coast,

  1501. from the islands to where we live,

  1502. right? And uh it's it's not just an

  1503. American thing. We know that. But you

  1504. you you realize that very um nearly when

  1505. the people all around you are all

  1506. praising God for the salvation they have

  1507. received from Jesus Christ in totally

  1508. different languages.

  1509. >> Yeah.

  1510. >> Pastor William, it sounds like this this

  1511. um trip was a personal impact for you

  1512. was just seeing a different part of the

  1513. world and seeing

  1514. >> um you know people coming together and

  1515. worshiping Christ and and working with

  1516. pastors and helping them deal with real

  1517. world problems. Um, I want you to hear

  1518. also from Roberto and Lao about what was

  1519. their personal takeaway because trips

  1520. like this you um hear as we kind of wrap

  1521. up. Trips like this can be um special

  1522. for the people you're ministering to,

  1523. but often the Lord is doing a work in

  1524. our hearts too as we go. Um tell us some

  1525. of your personal takeaways.

  1526. >> Yeah, you're completely right. I mean

  1527. that that um definitely challenged me.

  1528. the trip challenged me

  1529. >> to even um you know continue to serve

  1530. the Lord and continue to you know just

  1531. just be reminded of so much need that

  1532. that there that we have out there,

  1533. right? and and not necessarily going on

  1534. a on a missionary trip uh but just

  1535. around us around us uh on a daily basis

  1536. at work uh you know our neighbors and

  1537. and it just uh I as as my brothers were

  1538. were kind of teaching and preaching that

  1539. actually was coming up to me and and and

  1540. I was being blessed at the same time and

  1541. challenged. Um I saw um the the the you

  1542. know the rejoicing of these pastors and

  1543. leaders receiving that teaching

  1544. >> and that challenged me because a lot of

  1545. them

  1546. >> they they have two jobs.

  1547. >> They were tired. They were coming at

  1548. 5:30 in the afternoon after a long day

  1549. of work and they were ready to receive

  1550. and I didn't see anybody saying, "Oh,

  1551. you know what? I'm too tired." or they

  1552. were just there and they were

  1553. >> troopers really really because they they

  1554. loved you know to hear the word of God

  1555. and that's a challenge for us.

  1556. >> Yeah. Yeah. Leo, what were some of your

  1557. personal takeaways?

  1558. >> No, I I I agree with Roberto. Um one of

  1559. the things it's was really an impact to

  1560. see the faith of all these people, the

  1561. love for the Lord and everything that

  1562. they need to go through. I mean they

  1563. live I mean we are really blessed to

  1564. what we have. I mean we have a great

  1565. church. We have an amazing church. We

  1566. have a great family community. We are I

  1567. mean 600 families and we have community

  1568. groups. We have uh disciplehip. We have

  1569. events. Uh we have the opportunity to go

  1570. and do mission. Uh we have a school. Uh

  1571. this is something that I mean they I

  1572. don't even think that they they they

  1573. really envision how could that be. uh

  1574. when people were asking I mean how many

  1575. people you have in in your service I

  1576. said well we are 600 families

  1577. >> and there are larger churches than us

  1578. and we I mean it's uh but they go and

  1579. they that was a small room

  1580. >> and the worship and everything the

  1581. experience you could sense that love and

  1582. that you know passion and and faith for

  1583. for the Lord and and for me that really

  1584. hit me. And I said, "Okay, now I need to

  1585. come here to realize that then I need to

  1586. go more often out of the church

  1587. >> to to to do the mission and that I can

  1588. do that mission at work and I can do

  1589. that mission, you know, every every

  1590. day." Uh, and

  1591. >> in regards to that, that's on the part

  1592. of the mission, but also on the part of

  1593. the disciplehip that we were teaching,

  1594. that was also a great reminder of the

  1595. value that we have. I mean we met

  1596. yesterday we sometimes we're a small

  1597. group we're a larger group sometimes I

  1598. just you know buy on any excuse that I

  1599. should be you know just say no that's

  1600. just an excuse I just need to push a

  1601. little bit more um further like like

  1602. Paul says I need just to keep on pushing

  1603. and and pressing and how about

  1604. disciplehip in my family so that for me

  1605. reset

  1606. a little bit about the way that

  1607. sometimes Sometimes we take for granted

  1608. what we have and as Christians here and

  1609. how much we need to continue pushing and

  1610. and pressing and and raising the bar

  1611. because these guys these guys they

  1612. raised the bar for me

  1613. >> and I you know we went there we we

  1614. provided with a lot of things but that's

  1615. what I got. I said okay I need to do

  1616. much more.

  1617. >> You know you can do missions through

  1618. humanitarian relief. You can meet people

  1619. in their great desperate need chaos

  1620. trauma. Um, you can do missions through

  1621. business. There's a lot of people that

  1622. do business as missions. Uh, what we did

  1623. here was missions to a local church

  1624. where they're they're going to learn and

  1625. we're learning as well. Even though we

  1626. are a much larger church than they are

  1627. in terms of numbers of members, we're

  1628. going and um I just think of you Leo and

  1629. you Roberto being trained in a different

  1630. field and different coming back here and

  1631. learning how to do that here and doing

  1632. that here effectively. Um there's

  1633. there's opportunities to minister. It

  1634. reminds me what Paul says when he writes

  1635. to the Philippians. He says, "I'm coming

  1636. to you that I might might impart grace."

  1637. what they have done is impart grace to

  1638. to another church which then that church

  1639. is going to take Lord willing and go and

  1640. impart grace more and more. Um we've

  1641. been with this church now for three

  1642. years partnering with them. Uh we'll do

  1643. it for a couple more years and there

  1644. will be other churches that we go

  1645. minister to. Well, maybe the Lord is

  1646. calling you to pray about um serving as

  1647. a humanitarian relief person or as a

  1648. business as missions person or medical

  1649. missions or um you know, if you're a man

  1650. that's qualified to teach going with

  1651. this group. Um but friends, mission is

  1652. going to happen whether we like it or

  1653. not. The Lord is going to use us whether

  1654. or or complete his mission whether we

  1655. like it or not. So, I just wanted to

  1656. hear you to hear from these guys. you

  1657. can talk to them more um after the

  1658. service and one-on-one and Sunday. I'm

  1659. sure we're gonna hear more about that

  1660. with Pastor Jason as well. But I wanted

  1661. you to hear that and be encouraged by

  1662. that. And so it's what Pastor Andrew

  1663. said at the end of the book of

  1664. Revelation. Missions is how people get

  1665. to surround the throne.

  1666. >> We're going to be with our brothers and

  1667. sisters from Colombian heaven. Now, I

  1668. know many of you would love and are

  1669. jealous that you couldn't be there with

  1670. them this past Sunday, but it's okay.

  1671. We'll be with them in heaven, and that's

  1672. what matters. So, as we wrap up, let's

  1673. go ahead and stand to our feet, and

  1674. we're going to pray. I'm going to ask

  1675. Pastor William to close us out, but

  1676. you've you heard it at after this time,

  1677. let's make haste and go to the ministry

  1678. center and see what what opportunities

  1679. we have to uh bid on before Sunday. you

  1680. kind of get the uh early bird special

  1681. here. You can kind of see and get your

  1682. bidins before everybody else. Jack up

  1683. the price for everybody else if you

  1684. want. Um but we're going to go over

  1685. there and talk, think about it. Come to

  1686. these guys. Uh if there's a desire in

  1687. your heart to be on missions, why not

  1688. think about this Sunday? This is a

  1689. perfect opportunity for you to get

  1690. connected. Pastor William, lead us in

  1691. prayer.

  1692. >> Father in heaven, we we thank you for

  1693. your call to missions. that this is not

  1694. something we have come up with, that we

  1695. are being obedient to your great

  1696. commission when we drew trips like the

  1697. one that we just took. And I thank you

  1698. for the way that we partner together as

  1699. a church. I thank you for all those who

  1700. communicated back to us that they were

  1701. praying in real time along with us as we

  1702. were teaching, as we were meeting with

  1703. pastors, and that the church can be uh

  1704. moving towards missions both here and

  1705. abroad. And I thank you also for the

  1706. possibility of being able to to be a

  1707. part of the financial realm of this uh

  1708. even through what we're getting ready to

  1709. do tonight and this weekend uh in

  1710. seeking to give generously in order the

  1711. message of your gospel might go out to

  1712. people. And uh so father help us to know

  1713. how we ought to be a part of that. Um

  1714. may you receive much glory in and

  1715. through our lives as we seek to be

  1716. obedient to your great commission. And

  1717. we ask this in Jesus name. Amen.