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The Word, Holy Spirit, & Mission

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  1. Hello and welcome to the Arise Church Podcast.

  2. We are so glad you're here and want to thank you for joining us

  3. today for the audio version of our Sunday morning message.

  4. We want to invite you to join us in person at our Sunday morning

  5. celebration every Sunday at 10 AM.

  6. We are located on Old Jenks Rd. in Apex, NC.

  7. God. Bless you, God bless you.

  8. My name is Jim Scott and I was saved after watching the movie

  9. The Exorcist. I love to say that because I

  10. love to celebrate the way God brings people to him.

  11. You know, St. Jesus dies on the cross.

  12. We talk about salvation, we preach salvation, we love

  13. salvation, and then you hear the stories of how people get to

  14. salvation. I went to see a girl's head spin

  15. and met Christ. Now I've not watched that movie

  16. since I saw it that first time in 1974 in Fresno, CA while I

  17. was doing my undergraduate work to become a cop.

  18. I I have not seen that movie since.

  19. And I don't encourage you to use it in your evangelistic work in

  20. your neighborhood, irrespective of the fact that we're coming up

  21. on Halloween. And you might think, oh, God

  22. speaking to me now, No, he is not speaking to you right now.

  23. The legacy of the church is not found in the things they do now.

  24. It's what comes from the church and its ministry.

  25. And the body of Christ has produced you and me, men and

  26. women who have been faithful to the proclamation.

  27. Planting of seed in intentional and unintentional ways are why

  28. we're here. And until Jesus returns, we

  29. continue. And today I get to talk to you

  30. about one family in this great body, this family called

  31. Foursquare. I found Foursquare.

  32. I was not born into Foursquare. I, as I said, law enforcement

  33. was my first desire and passion. My highest desire was to drive

  34. the wrong way on a one way street with my lights and siren

  35. on. So you can see I was not

  36. pointing high down here somewhere.

  37. Found my way into ministry, found my way into serving and

  38. wondering what God would do in and through me serving in the

  39. body of Christ. And I found Foursquare because I

  40. had to have an internship in my seminary.

  41. Go find a church so you can practice.

  42. And that church let me practice that.

  43. That says a lot about the church today because I don't know in a

  44. lot of places if people like me could have practiced.

  45. They let that young man get up there who's not really sure what

  46. he's doing in the Bible yet. Let him preach a sermon in front

  47. of a bunch of a bunch of folks. How much stuff will he break

  48. while he's up there? My uncle, who was a Christian,

  49. was in that first service, that first preaching, and we got in

  50. the foyer. He was telling me how great I

  51. was doing. And as I grew in ministry, I

  52. realized everything he said was not true.

  53. It was aspirational. When he said it was a great

  54. sermon, what he really meant is someday you're going to preach a

  55. great sermon. But I got to do that with you.

  56. You know what I mean? I got to do it with you.

  57. I got to see the smiles and the frowns and almost falling

  58. asleep, you know, the getting up and going to the bathroom.

  59. I got to be with you, the body of Christ, and you shaped me.

  60. That's what the church does. I want to talk to you about what

  61. the Foursquare Church has done. One tribe, one group within this

  62. body. When I was getting in between,

  63. between the historic way, we took photographs with that thing

  64. called a camera that they have in museums now and to what

  65. really works now in terms of iCloud and having a phone.

  66. You can do it anywhere at anytime, anyplace.

  67. We began to digitize all of our old photos.

  68. If you're my age, I'm 71 years of age, you've got a lot of

  69. photos, boxes of heavy books called albums.

  70. And we would take them out. And we didn't do it like with a

  71. company. We took our phones and took

  72. pictures of it. So in my phone, I've got

  73. generations of photographs. My little grand nephew Silas was

  74. in school, kind of preschool school, and they talked in one

  75. class about where we come from. Because you all know you came

  76. from somewhere. Unless you're Native American,

  77. you weren't born here. We all came from somewhere and

  78. that's a part of our story. Where was great, great, great,

  79. great, great, great, great great grandma from.

  80. Well, Silas says to me, Uncle Jim, can you tell me where we've

  81. come from? And when I asked him why me, he

  82. said you're old. And I assumed that he thought I

  83. knew them all. You know you've met them.

  84. Can you tell me about them? So Silas and I sat down on the

  85. couch and we began to go through my phone and I'm showing him

  86. pictures that looked old even in the in the photograph of the

  87. picture. And I'm saying, this is your

  88. uncle and this is your great grandma, and this is a cousin

  89. that you've never met. And it just, you know, all the

  90. telling stories. They work at this kind of job

  91. and they lived in this area. And Silas was both interested

  92. and disinterested. But at the same time, I noticed

  93. that he was recognizing that whoever these people are, my

  94. uncle has them on his phone. And they must be important

  95. people, and they are important people because they've shaped

  96. who the Scott family is. Foursquare has a similar kind of

  97. story. If you believe that churches are

  98. spiritual families and if you believe God gives birth to

  99. movements, then it's not a stretch to say that God gave

  100. birth to a church and that church now has adna or some kind

  101. of legacy. That we were born for a reason

  102. hasn't been that your your quest hasn't.

  103. Haven't you wanted to know why you are here?

  104. Have you ever cried out to heaven and said guy, why me?

  105. Why here? Why in North Carolina or

  106. Brooklyn or wherever it was on the same way we asked the

  107. question about Foursquare God, why in 1923 in Los Angeles, CA

  108. did a woman who was an evangelist plant a church that

  109. grew to 22 services a week and sending missionaries around the

  110. world? How did that happen with us and

  111. what do you have in mind in us for that?

  112. It's been 100 plus years and there's so much to say about

  113. what the Holy Spirit has done through the Foursquare Church

  114. and in the Foursquare Church. The impact of Sister McPherson,

  115. Angela's Temple and all of the congregations that have grown

  116. out of that, which includes this church in this community.

  117. The generational influence, the church planting, the pastors who

  118. have grown up as children and who are now leading that that

  119. kind of legacy is happening all the time.

  120. And it's around the world. The Foursquare Church today is

  121. in 150 nations. In Brazil, it's over 14,000

  122. churches. The Sri Lankan Foursquare Church

  123. is the largest Christian Church ever in Solange, Sri Lanka.

  124. That's your church around the world serving, doing great,

  125. great things. And so today is about

  126. celebrating, but not inappropriate celebrating.

  127. I have no desire today to lift up Amy someone McPherson to some

  128. kind of St. In fact, I will tell you how

  129. broken she was. I don't want to celebrate the

  130. good old days. Our church is 100 years old.

  131. I'm 71, I've been alive 3/4 of that time.

  132. And the good old days are old and they weren't that good.

  133. It isn't about going back. It's about understanding backs,

  134. looking forward as to what God might have for us in the future,

  135. to understand our DNA, to understand Our Calling, to

  136. understand the purposes of God in birthing us and then us

  137. finding ourselves in that purpose because as we know, DNA

  138. doesn't change. I was interested in reading my

  139. Old Testament and recognizing when it was time to take the

  140. land. God did not send the group in as

  141. a whole. He gave them names, broke them

  142. into tribes, and gave them a job.

  143. I think the nominations today at their best, and we have not

  144. always been at our best, but at our best.

  145. Down nominations are a similar thing.

  146. A family of people who come together to get an assignment

  147. and do it. Wickliffe translates Bibles.

  148. They don't do disaster relief. We don't fault them for not

  149. doing disaster relief. That's not their job.

  150. Their job is doing Bibles. They do their job well.

  151. We have Bibles all around the world.

  152. If they start doing disaster relief, they'll make less Bibles

  153. and they won't be doing their job.

  154. So what's Foursquare's job? That's part of the question we

  155. want to answer today. So what can the past inform us

  156. about what God intended and what He's working in and through us?

  157. What does it mean that an evangelist planted a church that

  158. became the leading church in America?

  159. What does it mean that we're part of a denomination that has

  160. more churches outside America then we have inside America?

  161. What does it mean that on the front edge of our mission we

  162. talked about leaving and going? Why are we like that?

  163. Not faulting any other group in the world.

  164. I speak against no church serving.

  165. I want to know what we're supposed to do.

  166. What are we called to do? Could there be a spiritual DNA

  167. and identity available of an anointing available to us that

  168. we can share in? Could it be that the question of

  169. why you're here is because you are US and don't know it, You're

  170. anointing, you're gifting, your calling is US and you don't know

  171. it. And once you know it, you can

  172. align and say, look, I'm being everything God called me to be

  173. because I'm in the family I'm supposed to be in.

  174. Maybe that could happen today for you.

  175. I pray it will. What are the doors open to us

  176. because of who we are? Not because of how great we are,

  177. how perfect we are, our doctrine, but how God intended

  178. us to serve what he intended us to do.

  179. Foursquare Church identity is captured in three simple words.

  180. Those three simple words are word, spirit, and mission.

  181. Or more explicitly, the Word of God, the Holy Spirit and the

  182. mission of God. Not the mission of Foursquare

  183. Church. Our mission is measured by the

  184. mission of God. Whether we're doing the right

  185. thing has nothing to do with us. However dedicated we are.

  186. However, the doctorate said whatever books we've written,

  187. whatever sounds good, whether or not our mission is relevant and

  188. right has nothing to do with what we've said.

  189. It's what the book says. And if we're doing that, we have

  190. a mission. So the Foursquare identity today

  191. that you'll hear, it's going to be woven through stories and

  192. pictures about the Word of God and about the movement of the

  193. Holy Spirit and about the mission that we must serve.

  194. Please hear me. Strategy and methods will always

  195. change. They have to change and we won't

  196. be relevant to speak the word. How shall they hear without a

  197. preacher? And you preach differently in

  198. 2025 that you did in 1950. So I, I have no fault with the

  199. Internet, have no fault with new methodologies and technologies.

  200. You do what you have to do now to be heard.

  201. But what does not change is the Word, the Holy Spirit and the

  202. mission. And so today our effort is to

  203. hopefully that perfectly God help us with this, to help you

  204. capture that. And I really hope you see

  205. yourself today. I pray you see yourself today.

  206. We must never surrender our identity and we must never make

  207. our methodologies and our strategy strategies sacred and

  208. unchanging. We must always be rooted in the

  209. word of God unapologetically. We must be caring to the

  210. communities we serve. We must lift people above

  211. politics and policies and the trends of the day.

  212. We need to set a pace and set up a context where somebody might

  213. someday might have seed planted in their heart intentionally or

  214. unintentionally, and then go to a movie where a girl's head spin

  215. and know what to do afterwards and know what to do afterwards.

  216. Isn't that exciting? I mean, doesn't that inspire you

  217. to greatness? Don't you?

  218. Can you imagine you doing some great exploit right now?

  219. If we can just plant a little seed and some good ground and

  220. see what God does, My hope is that's what the Foursquare

  221. Church will always be. This presentation humbly reminds

  222. us of who we are as a movement, who we are in the Word of God,

  223. who we are by the work of the Holy Spirit, and who we are as

  224. we have served our mission for 102 years.

  225. Amy Elizabeth Kennedy, known to us as Amy Symbol McPherson, was

  226. born October 9th in 1890 in Ingersoll, ON.

  227. Let me start by saying we were founded by an immigrant.

  228. I'm going to settle that in you because immigrants have a bad

  229. Rep right now. The church you're a part of was

  230. founded by a Canadian citizen who came here to tell us about

  231. Jesus and founded a great movement that's gone on for 102

  232. years. She came here, she was raised in

  233. Ingersoll, ON. She met Robert Simple, Robert

  234. James Simple on August 12th, 19 O 8, while he was preaching an

  235. evangelistic sermon in a Pentecostal rescue mission.

  236. I've always wondered what that was like.

  237. When this little girl who grows up to be a young lady goes into

  238. a revival service of Pentecostal and Pentecostals around the turn

  239. of the century, then they were way less tame than you are.

  240. You know, people are nodding their head.

  241. You've seen some of the videos. I mean, it's, you know, it's

  242. flag marching and it's shouting and screaming and it's, it's

  243. believing God and, and telling the truth and shaming the devil

  244. and it's telling the testimony of what God has done in my life.

  245. I imagine what Amy was like sitting there.

  246. But what one thing we know about that is she was enlivened by the

  247. fact that God was more than just someone.

  248. We talked about in a book that he was alive and he was moving

  249. and he was challenging people and he was filling people with

  250. his power and God was doing something that man could not do.

  251. So she fell in love with this guy and she married him.

  252. And Robert and Amy got on a got on a boat, June 1910, took a

  253. boat to China to be missionaries.

  254. Now think for a second what that's like today.

  255. We get on a plane to fly to China and if we're lucky, we'll

  256. stop somewhere. We'll get there in a few hours.

  257. But in 1910, you get on a boat, not a cruise ship.

  258. You know, you're saying, well, I went to Alaska, not on her boat,

  259. you didn't. And they took their boat there.

  260. The tragedy is Robert, almost as soon as they got there,

  261. contracted dysentery Milleri and died within months.

  262. Amy didn't know she was pregnant and gave birth to Roberta.

  263. Imagine being 20 years old in China for just months with a

  264. brand new baby. She was confused, she was upset.

  265. She didn't know what's going on. She returns to the United States

  266. and this begins her life in ministry.

  267. She gets back to the state. She's disoriented.

  268. She don't know what to do, where to go.

  269. She's got a baby. She goes back home to mom and

  270. dad. God renews his call in her.

  271. She begins to do evangelistic ministry and evangelistic work.

  272. We'll talk about that in a moment.

  273. And in doing that work, she begins to realize God has

  274. anointed her for something. She meets Harold McPherson, she

  275. marry, marries Harold McPherson. From that union, Rolf is born.

  276. Rolf McPherson was the president of our Foursquare Church.

  277. Following Amy's death, we've had Rolf in our home.

  278. He's now with Jesus, He's been in our home.

  279. It was delightful talking to him about the history and about his

  280. mother and about what was going on in those days.

  281. He loved Jesus, served our denomination for decades.

  282. With two babies and a new husband.

  283. They begin to evangelistic work, travelling around, running

  284. around in an old car and telling people about Jesus.

  285. It was very hard for Harold. He had committed to do it when

  286. they married. But it's easy to say I'll go and

  287. it's really hard to go to put a strain on their marriage, as you

  288. can imagine. And after a while, they they

  289. divorced. Now she's a divorced mother of

  290. two in the ministry, a woman travelling around in a car

  291. telling people about Jesus. It's in the context of that, in

  292. that kind of event that God is working in and through her.

  293. What is striking about her? And I want you to feel something

  294. right now. The Bible says in Second

  295. Corinthians 4/7 that we have this treasure in earthen

  296. vessels, We have this treasure in earthen vessels.

  297. Each of you is an earthen vessel with a treasure in it.

  298. And sometimes the vessel cracks it breaks, it chips, it doesn't

  299. look as good today as it did some years ago.

  300. And this so describes Sister McPherson as she's going through

  301. this tragedy and others in her life.

  302. We have this treasure in earthen vessels that the excellence of

  303. the power may be of God and not of us.

  304. Please hear this. To the degree you let people see

  305. your broken vessel, to that's the degree they will believe in

  306. the power of God, because once they see how wrecked you are,

  307. they know you got nothing to do with the good that's coming out

  308. of your life. Now, we're not.

  309. We don't want to do that. Some of us Polish up our vessels

  310. pretty good, and we never talked about a crack in our vessels,

  311. and then we mistakenly think you're the one that's creating

  312. all of this. But that's a fool's errand that

  313. will never, ever satisfy. We are broken vessels.

  314. And when we can celebrate weakness, as the apostle Paul

  315. said, therefore I will boast in my weakness that God may be

  316. glorified. So I'm going to boast in Amy's

  317. weakness for a moment. I want to tell you how broken

  318. this woman was. She was vulnerable and lonely,

  319. yet used to God. She was so fragile that at times

  320. she was ill and depressed. She was a wife, a widow,

  321. divorced, a single mom, remarried with the birth of a

  322. son, and she was a wounded healer.

  323. She experienced periodic physical illness, family and

  324. personal relationship pain, and emotional problems.

  325. Sister McPherson had an emotional nervous breakdown in

  326. 1931. She was out of the pulpit for a

  327. year and there was a Watchtower service everyday praying that

  328. she would live. There were troubling issues that

  329. resulted in controversies. She may have had a medication

  330. dependency on sleeping aids and other prescribed medication.

  331. She died on September 27th, 1944, fifty three years of age.

  332. From quote from her death certificate.

  333. Shock contributed to an adrenal image and respiratory failure

  334. from an accidental overdose of Barbatol compound.

  335. The sleeping pills she was taking entered her bloodstream

  336. through her intestine and she died.

  337. She was a very troubled woman. She got married 1/3 time to

  338. David Hutton and in a class that she was teaching in Life Bible

  339. College, she broke down and began to cry.

  340. In this very troubled marriage, it ended up in another divorce

  341. and confessed to her students that I only married him because

  342. I was lonely. She was a mess.

  343. And yet she founded a movement that has trans transferred all

  344. around the world and has some of the finest churches in the

  345. world. Please hear this.

  346. If God can use Amy, he can use you because you're only as

  347. broken. You can only be as broken as

  348. her. You're a mess.

  349. You're only as much a mess as she was.

  350. She was a mess and yet God used her.

  351. I take great comfort in that. I tell Melinda all the time my

  352. vessel's fine. Melinda looks at me and says

  353. it's not all that fine. So I will bolster my weakness

  354. today and tell you that to the degree I can get out of the way,

  355. God will do great things through me and He will do great things

  356. in you. Let me give you a little

  357. historical context what Melinda's going to share with

  358. you. It's important that you

  359. understand the day she lived in to understand the greatness of

  360. the things she did. You know, if you don't remember

  361. the day, you don't remember what's going on.

  362. You might think, oh, well, we see that all the time today.

  363. You're going to hear things. You need to understand we're

  364. never done before. She will have been the first.

  365. You will hear these things, the historical context.

  366. She began her ministry around 1913 when she was renewed in her

  367. call. Woodrow Wilson was the

  368. president, you know, so. OK, so we're starting this with

  369. Woodrow 19141918. We have the World World War One,

  370. so her ministry now is evangelistic around America

  371. while we're fighting in Europe. In 1916, Jeanette Rankin of

  372. Montana becomes the first woman elected to the House of

  373. Representatives. A woman had never been in the

  374. House of Representatives for the first time in 1916, Nineteenth

  375. Amendment to the Constitution was ratified.

  376. In 1920, ladies, you got the right to vote finally here.

  377. This her ministry's going when she could not vote. 1932 Hattie

  378. Wyatt Caraway of Arkansas becomes the first woman elected

  379. to the Senate and was only on the ballot because her husband

  380. had died. In this context, we have a woman

  381. evangelist traveling around the country and building a church

  382. that should cause you to go. Wow.

  383. I wonder what obstacles she ran into.

  384. Ladies who pastor today, what kinds of obstacles are today?

  385. The word Foursquare is a wonderful word.

  386. I love when I'm, you know, travelling.

  387. I'm talking to people. What denomination?

  388. Foursquare. Foursquare.

  389. Is that the kids game. You guys are about the kids

  390. game. Foursquare.

  391. Foursquare has a distinct meaning.

  392. I don't know anybody here like Rod Serling.

  393. Twilight Zone. Have you watched it on TV?

  394. If you haven't, you're not as old as me.

  395. You didn't grow up with it, but you might see it on the sci-fi

  396. Channel. Sometimes I'll do a marathon on

  397. a day. Look for Mr. Dingle the Strong.

  398. That's one of the Twilight Zone episodes and Mr. Dingle the

  399. Strong is a kind of a wimpy guy. 22 headed spaceman.

  400. Isn't this great to hear? 2 headed spaceman comes out of

  401. space and lands in the end that he's at and they make him really

  402. strong. He's tearing telephone books in

  403. half. Telephone books, for those of

  404. you that don't know, was a big book that had phone numbers.

  405. Now why am I telling you all that?

  406. Am I having a psychotic blip right now?

  407. No, in Mr. Dingle the Strong, the word Foursquare is used.

  408. Yes, I know. It's like they talked about our

  409. church. No, they did not.

  410. And it wasn't a children's game. It was the use of Foursquare.

  411. In those early days, the word Foursquare meant strong, solid,

  412. dependable. In the in that Mister Dingle the

  413. Strong the bar keeper says I stand Foursquare behind booths

  414. for women. When you said Foursquare back in

  415. the day, you were saying something was strong and

  416. dependable, but it was also an acronym for those things on your

  417. building. We summarize the the work of

  418. Jesus in for a critical cardinal beliefs.

  419. He is a savior, the baptizer with the Holy Spirit, Amen, the

  420. healer, the soon coming king. That's the four square gospel.

  421. I had a pastor, theologian from another denomination really

  422. pushed back and he said there is no denominational gospel.

  423. There's only the gospel from the Bible.

  424. You can't call it the Foursquare Gospel.

  425. I said what denomination you are?

  426. He told me. I said, what do you believe?

  427. He told me. I said, that's your

  428. denominations gospel. Whether or not it is the gospel

  429. is the book. Here's what Foursquare believes.

  430. Some of us know we believe. Here's what we believe.

  431. He's a savior Baptizer with the Holy Spirit.

  432. He's the healer. He's soon coming king.

  433. That's what we believe. That is what we believe.

  434. What else do you believe? We believe a lot of stuff, but

  435. we believe that does do some of your beliefs change how they

  436. modify get into eschatology? We can have a fight pre Trib,

  437. post Trib, pan Trib. I mean, I just want the first

  438. bus out, but whatever, you know what I mean?

  439. Though there are theologies that we wrestle with, but here's what

  440. we do not wrestle about. Savior, Baptizer with the Holy

  441. Spirit, Healer and soon coming King.

  442. And it it represents. The unchanging gospel.

  443. And whatever denomination you are, you should believe those

  444. four things. We'll allow divergent.

  445. The body of Christ is a diverse body the the stream of orthodoxy

  446. is wide. Believe me it it has width to

  447. it. But what should never change the

  448. Savior baptized with the Holy Spirit.

  449. Here soon coming came Hebrews 13/8.

  450. Is our verse Jesus Christ the same yesterday, today, and

  451. forever? I don't know if you know the

  452. story about how that came about. Let me read to you what Sister

  453. McPherson wrote about why she picked that verse out of the

  454. multitude of verses that she could have had.

  455. Foursquare gospel means. Foursquare good news, I did not

  456. want anything sad in the declaration of Angeles Temple.

  457. When it came time to choose the central motto to appear above

  458. the platform, someone suggested whoa, we have all sinned and

  459. come short of the glory of God. But we all know that.

  460. And anyway, that's not good news.

  461. What is it? The heart of the good.

  462. News, she said. The good news focuses on this

  463. point. Jesus Christ is the same

  464. yesterday, today and forever. That verse would become the

  465. central motto of the Church of the Foursquare Gospel.

  466. Notice how she picked it. Good news, this motto was hand

  467. carved onto a plaque that was printed as her presented to her

  468. by the gypsy tribes whose king had come to Christ under her

  469. ministry. And that was the motto that.

  470. Stood in the sanctuary. Amy simple.

  471. McPherson was a famous celebrity.

  472. Famous celebrity in her time. In fact, the LA Times says that

  473. she was the most famous woman in America in the 1920s and 1930s.

  474. At least one story every single week was done about her in the

  475. LA Times in the 1920s. And when I say famous, I mean

  476. famous. Do you remember the song Hooray

  477. for Hollywood? I mean, she was in Hollywood.

  478. Hooray for Hollywood. Hollywood.

  479. From Shirley Temple to Amy, Simple.

  480. You're in that denomination that is famous.

  481. And even in the Hollywood song. Did you know that?

  482. Some of you know some. Of you are too young to even

  483. know that song, there's pictures that show thousands gathered in

  484. front of LA City Hall where Sister Amy and the mayor of the

  485. city at the time, Shaw, reviewed a mile long procession of

  486. Angeles Temple members and Foursquare Church pastors and

  487. leaders with four bands going through the streets of LA for

  488. our Four squares 13th Annual condition, the Los Angeles

  489. Times. Most of these pictures and most

  490. of the stats I'm going to give you today did not necessarily

  491. come from our Foursquare archives.

  492. It came through the newspapers of the day.

  493. We've had so much fun finding all of these particular things

  494. from the newspapers of the day. The Fresno Morning Republic, not

  495. just in LA. Fresno, 1922 world renowned

  496. evangelist will arrive in Fresno this morning at 11 O clock on

  497. the Southern Pacific. She will be escorted by the

  498. chairman of the local committee to City Hall where she will be

  499. welcomed to Fresno by the mayor and the city officials.

  500. But not just in LA, Kansas, Wichita, KS.

  501. This is one of my favorite ones. 1922 The Wichita merchants

  502. estimated that more than $100,000 was made in May because

  503. of Amy coming to town. Thousands of people came from

  504. out of town to hear Sister Amy. She was first and foremost an

  505. evangelist. She would go wherever God called

  506. her to go. In fact, there's a wonderful

  507. story of one, one time of God calling her to go to this small

  508. little town, into this small little church.

  509. And so she gladly went to this little church and she was an

  510. evangelist, so she wanted people to hear about Jesus.

  511. So she goes into this little church and the very first Sunday

  512. she looks and there's like three people in the church.

  513. OK, well, she. Preaches her guts out.

  514. She's preaching away preaching away to these three people.

  515. Well, tomorrow, you know, there'll be more.

  516. We're having a revival. This is going to be a revival

  517. service. So the next day she comes and.

  518. There's three people. Are just there, pastor.

  519. Where is your congregation? It goes well.

  520. This is my congregation. She looks out the doors of the

  521. church. She goes.

  522. Hmm, follow me. She grabs a chair from the from

  523. the concrete from the church. She goes out in the middle of

  524. the square of the church, OK of the city.

  525. She goes out in the middle of the square and she gets on her

  526. chair and she stands on the chair and does this.

  527. All of a sudden, these people. Are all stopping and they're

  528. saying what is going on with this weird lady that is standing

  529. like this in the middle of the church in the middle of the the

  530. community. Then all of a sudden she goes

  531. hurry, hurry, come quick quick, quick all the people start just

  532. falling there. They go right into the church.

  533. She goes shut the doors. I want to tell you about Jesus.

  534. It ends up. At the end of that week it is

  535. told that there were over 500 salvations that happened because

  536. she was willing to go outside of the church.

  537. The love of winning souls for Jesus Christ sets a fire burning

  538. in one bones soul. Winning is the most important

  539. thing in the world. She was passionate about winning

  540. souls. And she very boldly said, and

  541. you know what? They're not going to necessarily

  542. come to you. You've got to go outside the

  543. doors of the church and you need to go to them.

  544. San Diego Revival 1921 For years God's people in San Diego and

  545. prayed. Lord, send us a revival of the

  546. gospel of Jesus Christ that will awaken the churches and bring

  547. sinners and hundreds to the cross.

  548. Well, God opened the door and Amy and her team agreed to go to

  549. San Diego. Get this one.

  550. This is so fun. The Methodist, the Baptist, the

  551. Presbyterians, the Pentecostals, and the Nazarene pastors all

  552. work together along with the YMCA and the Epworth League and

  553. many other Christian groups organizing this time together in

  554. San Diego. Well, they decided they needed

  555. to rent the biggest auditorium that they could find in San

  556. Diego, so they found the Dreamland Center, the Dreamland

  557. Arena. The Dreamland Arena was known

  558. for their boxing matches. This was the place where

  559. everybody went on Friday night to go to have their boxing

  560. matches. So the the manager of the arena,

  561. Sister, I really think it would be important if you could come

  562. the night before your revival starts and just come and talk to

  563. the people that are going to be there.

  564. Imagine, did does anybody remember boxing?

  565. I mean, I remember my, my dad was a Baptist minister and on

  566. Wednesday nights we had to run home from church because he was

  567. really into boxing. And I remember running home to

  568. see see the boxing. Boxing.

  569. Was the worst sinners in the community.

  570. I mean, they were the ones that were cussing and spitting and

  571. they were just screaming out, yelling.

  572. So imagine sweet sister Amy in her white uniform and the other

  573. women that were with her. There were probably some men

  574. that were with her as well, going into this sinner's den of

  575. iniquity. And she goes.

  576. In and imagine they're all cussing.

  577. She goes in the middle of the in the middle of the boxing time.

  578. They lift up the cord for her to go in and here she is.

  579. There's probably blood, There's probably teeth on the ground.

  580. You know, I mean, it's a foxy arena and she goes in there.

  581. She says, all right, tomorrow night, I invite you to come back

  582. to this arena. We are going to see the biggest

  583. fight of all times and you're going to see Jesus slump the

  584. devil. Come on back, come on back.

  585. In fact, don't you just come? I want you to bring the worst

  586. thinner. You know the worst one is that

  587. your husband is that you? You bring him because you're

  588. going to see a fight tomorrow night.

  589. Was she bold? She was so bold.

  590. Come to find out, that arena only hold held 3000, so they had

  591. to move it because this five week revival outgrew the outgrew

  592. that arena. They took it to Balboa Park

  593. where the police and park commissioners estimated that 10

  594. to 30,000 people came, 10 to 30,000 people came because they

  595. knew Jesus could slump the enemy.

  596. Thousands were praying for Amy is said is is she would say it's

  597. getting dark and there are lots and lots of people that we still

  598. need to pray for. And we have out of that revival

  599. in San Diego many, many documented healings.

  600. Not just in. LA not just on the West Coast.

  601. Boston Boston revival 1931 The Boston Globe says this at the

  602. end of the revival the next morning.

  603. Headline 40,000 Here Amy More than 5000 were turned away and

  604. the officials were forced to close the door.

  605. Boston. She was the only evangelist, the

  606. only person to pack out the Boston God.

  607. Portland Revival, a newspaper. From Boston, went to Portland

  608. because of that. Well, if this little lady's

  609. going to come to Boston, I need to find out about her and

  610. whether or not she's going to really be accepted in Boston.

  611. So this newspaperman said this about Sister Amy.

  612. Amy's religion is a religion of joy.

  613. There's happiness in it. Her voice is easy to listen to.

  614. She does not appeal to the brain and try to hammer religion into

  615. the heads of her audience. Rather, she appeals to the

  616. hearts of her ears. She radiates friendliness.

  617. She creates an atmosphere that is warning.

  618. She is persuasive rather than forceful.

  619. She's gracious and kindly rather than compelling.

  620. Fundamentally, she takes the whole Bible literally from cover

  621. to cover. She broke down the walls of

  622. denominationalism you already heard about in San Diego, all

  623. these denominations coming together to have her at at the

  624. that the San Diego revival. But on the Cornerstone

  625. Evangelist Temple, January 1st, 1923, it states this dedicated

  626. bunch of the cause of interdenominational and

  627. worldwide evangelism. On Dedication Sunday, over 70

  628. denominational pastors walk down the aisle with her, dedicating

  629. themselves to the Foursquare Gospel.

  630. They were dedicating themselves to the Foursquare Church.

  631. They were dedicating themselves to the Foursquare Gospel.

  632. That Jesus is our Savior. Jesus is our baptized of the

  633. Holy Spirit. Jesus is our our healer and

  634. Jesus is our soon coming King. She held credentials with the

  635. salvation of our army. She held credentials with the

  636. Assembly of God. She held credentials with the

  637. Methodist. She held credentials with the

  638. Baptist Methodist Church, the Methodist Episcopal Church.

  639. You'll see that on there she was called to build a revival center

  640. where people would be saved, baptized in the Holy Spirit,

  641. healed, trained, and sent out. Why?

  642. Because Jesus was coming back soon.

  643. We don't have time to fool around.

  644. They were not saved to just sit in the church and be entertained

  645. each week. Jesus is coming back.

  646. You need to be ready and you need to get everybody else ready

  647. as well. February 1923.

  648. She opened up the Bible Institute, opening it up for

  649. training people to train people of how to go out and tell people

  650. about Jesus. October 1923, the first

  651. Churchill planted right away she started planting churches.

  652. February 27, first missionaries were sent out to I1927.

  653. There were over 100 churches already planted all around

  654. there. She broke down the walls of the

  655. traditional church. She broke down the walls of the

  656. traditional experience of the Church of the day.

  657. Charlie Chaplin. She was in Hawaii and she was in

  658. in Hollywood. Charlie Chaplin would help her

  659. build her sets. She rode motorcycles down the

  660. aisle. Sometimes people would say,

  661. well, that story isn't really true.

  662. She didn't really. I mean, come on, This little

  663. lady wrote a motorcycle down the aisle of the Yes, she did.

  664. Doctor Marcus Bach. We found this noted historian

  665. who wrote an eyewitness account to it, and he said this.

  666. The sermon was entitled The Green Light is on the Opening

  667. Remarks. With a deafening roar of a

  668. motorcycle speeding down the ramp, the world's greatest

  669. evangelist sat in the saddle dressed as a speed cop.

  670. She drove recklessly to the front of the auditorium, slammed

  671. on the brakes, blew a screech on a police whistle, raised a white

  672. glove hand to the congregation and shouted stop, you're headed

  673. to hell. Now do you think you'd fall

  674. asleep? In a sermon like that, I don't

  675. think so. She had firemen repelling from

  676. the balcony. She had live animals.

  677. In fact, one of my favorite stories, I asked pastor if it

  678. was OK for me to tell the story as it really happened.

  679. She was going to preach on Adam and Eve and she was going to

  680. preach about the Garden of Eden. So she had her step builders

  681. build her a big set and these happened every single Sunday

  682. night. She had these dramatic sermons.

  683. So she had the set being built and it was the gardening Eden.

  684. And just before they're getting ready to start service, she goes

  685. out there and she goes, it looks kind of dead.

  686. You know, we need some lights into this set.

  687. So the circus was in town. She goes go down and get some

  688. birds. You know, we need some birds,

  689. just bring some birds on the platforms.

  690. So she goes, the people go out and run out and get her some

  691. birds and she puts them on the platform.

  692. They have their wonderful worship time.

  693. They're worshipping and praying to God.

  694. She's getting ready to preach her sermon and she walks down

  695. and she always walked in very dramatically and very royally.

  696. She walked on that platform and all of a sudden this macabre

  697. bird in the back of her platform, there was a go to

  698. hell. This was a circus.

  699. Bird. Can you imagine the people?

  700. In the congregation. Did that bird just tell?

  701. Sister Amy to go to hell. Well, she didn't let anything.

  702. Go to waste, she goes. What did you say I go to hell,

  703. she goes. Let.

  704. Me tell you about hell. I want to tell you, you will go

  705. to hell. And she gave the whole pile of

  706. salvation. I'm sure, sure.

  707. And we'll see that bird in heaven.

  708. I'm sure we will see that we call bird in heaven.

  709. Eventually. They asked why do I preach A

  710. dramatic sermon? Who was her response?

  711. Our God is a dramatic God. I can think of nothing more

  712. dramatic than Elijah on the mountaintop, then rolling back

  713. the Red Sea. Nothing more dramatic than the

  714. crucifixion, the resurrection, his ascension, the tons of fire

  715. on the day of Pentecost. I hope a dramatic God will shake

  716. us up. Wait a minute.

  717. Foursquare Church, I believe a dramatic God.

  718. And what a dramatic God. To shake us up, Amy broke down

  719. the walls of traditional pastoral experience.

  720. Eventually, God gently but unquestionably began to show me

  721. that he'd led me to Los Angeles to build a house under the Lord.

  722. His message and courage shout for the Lord hath given you the

  723. city. She pastored the whole city.

  724. She had a parish Messiology. In other words, she didn't just

  725. pastor her church. She believed God had given her

  726. the whole city when men were out of prison, not men from the

  727. church. When mid got out of prison, she

  728. would find work for those men that got out of prison.

  729. In fact, she had the city sisters that had a free

  730. employment agency right there at the church. 150 a 150 people

  731. would register every single month for free and there would

  732. be employers and employees. So you need a job.

  733. OK, here's an employer that has a job.

  734. You need a person to work for you.

  735. OK, here's some people that need to work.

  736. She had that going on right there in the church.

  737. Women having babies, not women in the church having babies.

  738. If there were women in the city that were having babies, she

  739. would have the women of the church being making the little

  740. layouts they bought it and making blankets and having them

  741. passed out to all the people in the city.

  742. Roberta, her daughter, talks about when she lived in the

  743. Parsonage, she never had her own room because mom was always

  744. bringing home these young girls that got pregnant out of

  745. wedlock, thrown out of their house.

  746. She'd bring them home to her house and she'd have them live

  747. with her her and live with her daughter until she had they had

  748. the baby and then they would work it out AT though also

  749. Angela's temple opened in Echo Park.

  750. But she wanted the whole of the place that God has given her to

  751. know about Jesus. So there was this little thing

  752. that happened every New Year's Day in this little town called

  753. Pasadena. So the Rose Parade, the year

  754. that they opened up Angela's Temple, she put a float in the

  755. Rose Parade. She won the grand prize.

  756. Many times. She would put floats in the Rose

  757. Parade because God had given her the city.

  758. She would preach 10 to 15, preach 10 to 15 * a week.

  759. Could you imagine that after 15 to 10 to 15 * a week?

  760. The annual report in 1930 had the formal membership.

  761. This was 1930. She was the first mega church.

  762. Had 16,248 people. Just 77 years the church seated

  763. 5300 people and so there was standing room only many times.

  764. Reports often that 2000 people were turned away every single

  765. Sunday. A typical week would be 22

  766. services throughout the building and around the campus, and there

  767. were 130 Sunday school classes with an average of 2000 people

  768. in the Sunday school classes. But get.

  769. This remember the years that we're talking about here, the

  770. Sunday School classes according to their Bulletin of 1925.

  771. OK, if you speak English, this is where you need to go for your

  772. English speaking classes. If you speak Spanish, this is

  773. the Spanish classes. If you speak Japanese, this is

  774. where you need to go for the Japanese spoken word.

  775. If you speak Armenian, this is where you need to go, and if you

  776. speak German, this is where you go.

  777. She believed. That God had given her the city

  778. and it didn't matter if you didn't speak English.

  779. We need to reach the whole city for Jesus.

  780. So how do we do it? We need to speak the heart

  781. language. So let's speak the heart

  782. language. She was known and best known as

  783. a faith healer, but she did not like that title because she

  784. would always say only Jesus heals, it's not me.

  785. She had two classes on divine healing.

  786. She had 3500 people in each class.

  787. She had the students walking around and learning how to pray

  788. for the sick. Doctor Jeffrey's one of our

  789. fathers in the Faith, writes this.

  790. One side of the temple was lying from the door, entering the

  791. sanctuary to the platform with wheelchairs.

  792. As hands were laid on those with infirmities, they would

  793. immediately rise. They would immediately rise and

  794. pushing their wheelchairs ahead of them, they would begin

  795. praising the Lord. Crutches were thrown away, the

  796. blind received their sight, the deaf herd still braces were

  797. removed, and the list goes on and on and on.

  798. Ambulances would drop people off in front of Angeles Temple and

  799. then would drive away because they knew at the end of the

  800. service they were not going to be needed.

  801. The Parsonage today, you can go there and it has eyeglasses, has

  802. crutches, has many kinds of things that were left behind

  803. because of those miracle services.

  804. But not only that, they have names and addresses that you can

  805. go and check out that. This was really a true story at

  806. the time. Of course these were documented

  807. healings, but she more than once emphasized this.

  808. I want to save souls, not cure ailments.

  809. Jesus is the healer, but I'm only the office girl who opens

  810. the door and says come on in Powerful.

  811. She broke down the walls that separated people, languages,

  812. socio economic, ethnicity and culture.

  813. Amy was countercultural. She had Kingdom values over

  814. world values. She loved people.

  815. During the Depression, Angela's Temple commissary would feed and

  816. clothe more than 1.5 million people, more than all of the LA

  817. social services. You'll love this one because

  818. thinking about Thanksgiving and thinking about being hungry?

  819. December Bridal call 1926. Through a prominent meat

  820. merchant of Pasadena, Sister's been offered the opportunity to

  821. buy the choicest of meats at the unbelievable low rate of $5 for

  822. £100. Many have donated or pledged

  823. money toward the purchasing of this meat in this way for use in

  824. the temple's newest aid to the unemployed, the soup kitchen,

  825. where one may receive a good warm Stew, coffee and bread from

  826. 10:00 AM to 2:00 PM every single day.

  827. She had the soup kitchen. Going during that time, Anthony

  828. Quinn, the very famous Academy Award winner, said this.

  829. If it wasn't for Amy, most of the Mexican people would have

  830. died during the Depression. She didn't ask your race or

  831. where you came from. If you were hungry and called

  832. the church, within an hour a basket of food would be on your

  833. doorstep. Amy.

  834. Was counter cultural. She confronted and broke down

  835. the walls of racism anchored in Jim Crow segregation laws, rules

  836. and customs. One of our pastors, the late

  837. Bishop Joe Sutton, one of our fine African American pastors,

  838. he says this that in many Foursquare Church in Minneapolis

  839. for many years stated that interdenominational in the 1920s

  840. often included race as well as different churches theologies

  841. coming together. One of the most painful issues,

  842. especially in her day, was the relationship between blacks and

  843. whites. Few, if any, Christian leaders

  844. would even want to touch that subject.

  845. Yet Sister the person did not deter away from it.

  846. In January 19, 2819, eighteen Key West, FL after she held her

  847. meetings with the white community, she said, Now I'm

  848. going to hold it with the black community.

  849. For the first time, blacks and whites worshipped together.

  850. For the very first time, she travelled with an African

  851. American singing group. Her daughter Roberta was

  852. baptized by an African American pastor right here in the

  853. Carolinas. Can you imagine that?

  854. How much community standards of the South view that baptism?

  855. She was brave, She was very brave.

  856. She broke down walls of gender and age so that all can

  857. minister. The good news.

  858. The whole congregation was released on Sunday afternoons of

  859. the children were given the sanctuary, the children held

  860. revival services, the children prayed for the sick, the

  861. children saw miracles. She didn't let the fact that she

  862. was a woman hinder her at all. In fact, she had paparazzi

  863. following her all over the place.

  864. She was a celebrity. She had paparazzi following her

  865. all over. And they would say to her

  866. sister, do you like to hear a woman preach?

  867. They thought, oh, we're going to get her.

  868. She goes, well, no, not necessarily.

  869. We got the headlines for tomorrow.

  870. Sister doesn't like to hear a woman preach.

  871. She goes on to say, But I don't really like to hear a man preach

  872. either. But I.

  873. Love to hear God speak and I don't care if it's from a man or

  874. a woman, I want to hear God. She was a woman before her time.

  875. Amy was not the first woman to purchase her own radio station,

  876. but in 1924 she was the most certainly the first woman to own

  877. and operate a Christian radio station.

  878. By 1925, Spanish was spoken over the radio and occasionally could

  879. even be heard all the way to Cuba and Australia.

  880. KFSKSFG with its call letters was granted a permit to

  881. broadcast television in November of 1931.

  882. She was a woman before her time. At that time in 1946, there were

  883. only 8000 televisions in homes. But she heard God and she was

  884. ready to go for it. She was a songwriter that wrote

  885. hundreds of songs and operas. She had a prayer tower that

  886. prayed 24 hours a day. Just remember what?

  887. Jim said to us right at the very beginning, she was an immigrant

  888. from Canada. She was young, she was widowed.

  889. She was twice divorced. She was a single mother.

  890. She was lonely. She had family issues.

  891. She had health issues. She had social issues,

  892. especially as a female evangelist in the 1920s.

  893. She was kidnapped 3 different times and she died way too young

  894. at the. Age of 53.

  895. Thank you, Melinda. Let's put up this the next one.

  896. This is a children's department certificate for my mommy.

  897. I had never heard the story. Of Angela's Temple or Amy Simple

  898. MacPherson. I was not raised in a Christian

  899. home. We never went to church.

  900. I was dedicated as an infant in the Congregational Church in

  901. Whittier, CA Didn't know anything about Angela's Temple.

  902. I leave law enforcement, I find Foursquare, I develop a

  903. relationship, I get credentialed, and I tell my mom

  904. and my dad that I'm now a Foursquare minister.

  905. My mother says is that. Angela's Temple.

  906. He said. Yeah, Amy, simple.

  907. McPherson, I said. Yeah, I hear her go in the

  908. bedroom and she's in the closet and den was against the closet

  909. wall and I can hear my mom in the boxes, you know, through the

  910. wall looking for something. And she came out with two

  911. certificates. 1 was. Abbs.

  912. Certificate and this one my mother went to Angela's temple

  913. for one year she. Went to Sunday school and look

  914. how. Often she attended.

  915. Look at all those stars. That's my.

  916. Mommy, the reason I'm showing? You this the next one show the

  917. next slide. The reason I'm showing you this

  918. is that this is a larger from the top of that and notice what

  919. it says. This is Angela's temple.

  920. But notice how the children's department's assigned.

  921. What's it say children's department of that's a Bible

  922. college. Sister Mcpherson's children's

  923. ministry was not a part of the church.

  924. It was part of a Bible college. Not only does that speak of the.

  925. Dignity she saw in children, but it also spoke to the fact that

  926. she was telling children where they ought to be going.

  927. The entire children's. Department was a part of that

  928. Bible college, so wouldn't it make sense to a child when they

  929. got to high school and then graduate, they should stay in

  930. Bible college way before her time.

  931. It's a it's a tremendous legacy to see, a tremendous legacy to

  932. have. The Foursquare Church was

  933. birthed in a single churches church Angela's temple.

  934. I want to emphasize this. You're a part of a denomination,

  935. a group that did not start by the collection of ministers or

  936. from a church split or because of doctrinal disagreement.

  937. We. Started in a.

  938. Local church in Los Angeles A pastor with a global vision

  939. locally expressed globally expressed today.

  940. The Foursquare Church is a global church, the global

  941. Foursquare Church with a shared local and global vision and

  942. mission. So the question did you see

  943. yourself and your passions in the stories of Sister Amy in

  944. this developing church? The heart for people.

  945. Heart for the needy to break down the barriers between us All

  946. kinds of barriers. The gender barrier, Women and

  947. men, racial barriers, socio socio economic barriers.

  948. The preaching of the word of God.

  949. Everyone preaching the word of God.

  950. The love for children, seeing children's ministry missions.

  951. Their first missionary did not go to Mexico.

  952. Their first missionary went to India.

  953. Desiring to see. God work and move.

  954. What a. Tremendous.

  955. Legacy. Her final statement to us

  956. encapsulates, I think, a call that we need to hear today.

  957. What God wants. Is playing people with the good

  958. news in their hearts. We're willing to go and tell it

  959. to others. The love of winning souls for

  960. Jesus Christ sets a fire burning in one's bones.

  961. Soul winning is the most important thing in the world.

  962. So here's what she says. All I have is on the altar for

  963. the Lord, and while I have my life and strength, I will put my

  964. whole being into carrying out this Great Commission.

  965. Our final. Photo is a remarkable photo.

  966. It's a photo that has. Two things in it it has a

  967. statement of incredible courage and a statement of strong

  968. commitment. This photo is entitled.

  969. Stretcher day at Revival was in the Municipal Auditorium in

  970. Denver July 10th, 1921, the last day of a crusade that began on

  971. June 19th. The newspapers in Denver say not

  972. statistics from her ministry. Denver newspapers said that

  973. 500,000 people attended this crusade. 500,000 Half a.

  974. Million people were in this crusade.

  975. On Sunday, July. 10th which is this stretcher day.

  976. Two articles in the Denver Post talked about this report about

  977. this event. Denver Post reporter Albert

  978. Stone said on every side was the audience 12,000 strong, filling

  979. to capacity of the main floor, balconies and galleries.

  980. And to this picture, he said it was a revival of bodies.

  981. Another reporter, Alva. Swain said 1st, it's a great

  982. article. First, he talks about his

  983. credentials as a reporter, and he says it's so easy to write

  984. about dead bodies and gang members and speakeasies and

  985. illegal activity and robberies and murders.

  986. Then he said. But it's quite another matter to

  987. tell the story of Jesus through a little white gown woman having

  988. the souls of 2000 at a clip, or raising from sick beds,

  989. paralytics, consumptives, rheumatics and all other forms

  990. of diseased bodies by the hundreds.

  991. He did not know how to write about what was taking place.

  992. Pastor, would you come up please?

  993. This description speaks of the courage that I don't think I

  994. know personally. And I want to say.

  995. This, I know, this is really bold.

  996. And you say, Jim, you have no idea and I don't.

  997. But I would wonder if any pastor in North Carolina would invite

  998. all the sick of their city to come and be placed on pallets

  999. before the pulp before the pulpit to be prayed for.

  1000. I'm not faulting those pastors. I don't have the courage either.

  1001. There's no arrogance. In my statement, I'm talking

  1002. about this woman in Denver leaving so strongly.

  1003. This is a conviction that God heals, that she would take the

  1004. risk of embarrassment, ridicule in front of the world press to

  1005. do this kind of thing. Lay them before me so I can

  1006. pray. It's the kind of conviction.

  1007. And it's a kind of of courage that the church needs today.

  1008. That's why I'm ending with. This our denominations made

  1009. 100,000 mistakes and we're in no way perfect.

  1010. And you go on the web, you can read all about this stuff.

  1011. No, we're not perfect, I confess that.

  1012. But the word? The Holy Spirit and the mission,

  1013. which is what is our identity, has remained true through the

  1014. generations of church development.

  1015. You're. In one of those.

  1016. Churches today, and if you see those three things here, we are

  1017. successful. We are propagating what we

  1018. believe. I'm so thankful today.

  1019. That because this was true once. Please hear this because this

  1020. was true once and this is my family.

  1021. This could be us again. Because it's us.

  1022. This picture is us. So wouldn't faith rise in 100

  1023. areas? Not just healing.

  1024. We would believe God to do exceedingly, abundantly

  1025. everything that we ask and think.

  1026. Let's see where you say I hope. Your heart is stirred like mine

  1027. is. Probably some of you when you

  1028. start. To pull out black and white

  1029. pictures, you think, oh cool history lesson.

  1030. But when I see these things, I see our future in full.

  1031. Colour. You know, I feel like our church

  1032. right now at Rise Church, we're still in seed form and a seed

  1033. doesn't look like much when you put it in the ground.

  1034. In fact, for a season, it disappears.

  1035. You see nothing and you can't even dig in and check in on it.

  1036. You're supposed to just leave it alone, make sure it's water and

  1037. then you know just about the right time it'll just sprout and

  1038. then it looks still like not much fact.

  1039. It's pretty vulnerable at that stage and I.

  1040. Feel like that's kind of. Where we are, we're like between

  1041. that seed form and just starting to sprout up.

  1042. But when I see these things and when I I've seen it before the.

  1043. Holy Spirit in me. Starts to burn.

  1044. Where you know, like what's? In me connects with what's in

  1045. that and I remember hearing one time a really famous minister,

  1046. also a lady, Marilyn Hickey, and one time she said healing is the

  1047. dinner bill. So when I see.

  1048. Healings and I see these things and it's why we pray often for

  1049. healing is it's not the end all, it's the dinner bill.

  1050. It's telling a world that's desperate in need come here,

  1051. you'll have help. And what they don't know is that

  1052. not only will your body be healed, but your soul will be

  1053. saved. But God will use the dinner bill

  1054. just as Jesus did. He healed them.

  1055. He healed them. He healed them, He healed them.

  1056. And so. It was at a conference, the one

  1057. that I mentioned earlier, that Jim and I were at together in

  1058. Denver, Co 100 years from this picture.

  1059. And we were standing in. This auditorium in downtown

  1060. Denver, I'd never seen the picture before.

  1061. He brought it to the conference and everything in me almost

  1062. exploded. Because, you know, God, there's

  1063. appointed times for things. So I'm standing in Denver, a

  1064. part of this movement 100 years to the year.

  1065. And we all are on this. Platform and God and the I mean

  1066. the Holy Spirit starts to just move and I just blurted out we

  1067. will see stretcher days again and it.

  1068. Wasn't. A hope.

  1069. It was like something in me. Rallied behind it.

  1070. And it was like, this will be us.

  1071. And I was thinking our movement and our denomination.

  1072. I wasn't so much at that time thinking of a rise church.

  1073. But I just sense that. The Lord, as I look around the

  1074. room and I see who God's brought to our church, I just feel like

  1075. the Lord's drawn many of you here because you have something

  1076. in you that says yes to this and that's why you're here.

  1077. It's because it won't be on one lady.

  1078. I mean, when I look at the the ministers, look at all these

  1079. people laying hands on people, they're in.

  1080. Suits. They're the women are in the

  1081. they're white robes. The patients are there.

  1082. There's every kind of color ministering there.

  1083. So it's not just Sister Amy. It's an entire army of people

  1084. ministering, ministering, ready to go, prayed, trained to do

  1085. this. This is where we're headed.

  1086. So some of you say, well, this doesn't make any sense to me.

  1087. That's all right. Just hang around long enough.

  1088. And you can spectate. While the rest of us move into

  1089. this, because we will, we will in Jesus name, would you close

  1090. your eyes right where you're at? I'm going to ask Pastor Jim.

  1091. And Melinda, both of them to pray over us that as elders in

  1092. this movement that we would receive as a church.

  1093. Not just good. Information, but the DNA.

  1094. And that some of you I. Just feel like today I just want

  1095. to welcome you to the Foursquare Church.

  1096. But you're now you got. This DNA you're, you're, you're

  1097. in the fam now. So I'm going to ask them to pray

  1098. and then we'll wrap up our time together.

  1099. We want to thank you again for. Joining us for the Arise Church

  1100. podcast, we hope you were encouraged by what you heard

  1101. today. You can find

  1102. [email protected] and on Instagram at Arise Church NC.

  1103. If you need prayer or support or are interested in learning more

  1104. about Arise Church, we encourage you to connect with us online or

  1105. in person at our Sunday morning service.

  1106. Thank you and God bless.