Sermon
The Nicene Creed - Week 1 w/Pastor Jenn Swift
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Good morning, everyone. We are starting a new
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series. I'm super stoked to get to preach the
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first message of it because it really digs into
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church history. I really love history, as you
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know. So, yeah, I will just jump right into it
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because, well, not because. I always have to
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feel like I'm transitioning us into it. If you've
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been here a minute, you know me. I don't have
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to worry about that. So, okay, 32 years ago,
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it sounds like I'm starting with my life story.
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Before I was born, everyone, I want to tell you
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about, okay, 32 years ago, almost a week to the
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day, Rich Mullins put out an album called A Liturgy,
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A Legacy, and A Ragamuffin Band. I was a senior
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in high school. I had been a Christian for just
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a little over three years, and I was in the very
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early stages of exploring my faith and how to
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practice it. This album was important to me for
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a lot of reasons, one of which was that for those
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of us who were growing up Christian in a certain
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generation where Rich's music was new, it affected
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us in a way that's hard to describe. Who remembers
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this album? Yeah, thank you. We have two people
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back there. I think there's probably, at least
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for people I know of our generation, it was a
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seminal album for us, for sure. It was music
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that was the most genuine and honest of kinds,
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and it was without guile. It described a faith
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that was often messy and complicated, joyful
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and heartbreaking, and not always easy to find,
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but worth asking questions about and worth evaluating,
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worth getting to the core of. And very much about
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a God whose love was relentless towards its creation.
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For me, the songs remind me of New York, where
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I grew up. They remind me of some really good
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time in high school and youth group, new beginnings
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and looking ahead to college. The album also
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helped give me some tools for my faith that were
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new to me. The album formally introduced me to
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some historic practices of the church that I
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would come to love. The church has these historic
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practices like communion and baptism. We're very
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familiar with those things. They are in the scriptures.
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We see them laid out. But as the church grew
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and spread out, additional practices were added.
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We follow the church calendar here throughout
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the year. It is the reason these things change
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color. They tell us where in the year that we
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are. They lead us through specific times which
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have prescribed structure. We say collective
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prayers together that are constructed from within
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our local community that we've now set as a body
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for 11 years, one of which we said today as our
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prayer of work. And Rich's album collected a
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number of these pieces from... The history of
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the church body. There are songs about communion
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on this album and the passing of the peace, and
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there is a song called Creed, in which he simply
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sings the words of the Apostles' Creed, a predecessor
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of what would later become known as the Nicene
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Creed. This is what our sermon series is about,
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the Nicene Creed. You know it as the words we
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say on the fifth Sundays that begin with... I
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believe in one God, the Father Almighty, the
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maker of heaven and earth. And we sang a variation
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of that today in the song, I Believe. At the
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time, back in high school, I had probably said
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the Nicene Creed maybe just a handful of times.
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But I had likely not thought about what it was
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or where it came from. And that's the thing about
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a number of these traditions. They are things
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that we've either always known or have always
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done, but we have little context for. They are
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tradition. And by that definition, it gets redone
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every year at certain times. It is very easy
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to lose where these things came from. So that's
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what we're going to get into. So a creed is simply
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a statement of belief, the word being lifted
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directly off the page of the original Latin,
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which was the language of the empire in which
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this was developed. Credo in unum Deo. Translated,
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I believe in one God. This is the opening line,
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and from here on out, a statement of belief is
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a creed. Credo statements allow us to reenter
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the framework to which we adhere. When things
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become unclear in our walk with the Lord, this
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helps us re -see the structure that holds it
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up. The creed is not the thing of belief. We
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don't believe in the creed, but it helps us see
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and remember the thing in which our belief is
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founded on. And this is why I love... what the
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church historic has provided over time, and how
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I know others have felt the same. They have given
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us the gifts in the form of liturgy. These are
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scaffolding framework and structures that we
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can look to to understand what is the build of
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this thing. I have talked about the church year
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using the metaphor of a map. The church year
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helps you know where you're going, or if you
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get lost, it gives you a marker to get back to.
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Things like creeds do something similar. They
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give you points for pause and reflection. They
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provide reminders of how you got to where you
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are today or points to return to when you are
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feeling lost. A creed can be a great tool and
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a reminder of what your faith is meant to look
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like. Creeds get you to the core. They help you
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get unstuck from the weeds. They get you to the
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irreducible minimums. And so the early church
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spent a lot of time working through what these
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irreducible minimums were. So a quick word on
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the format of this and content of this message.
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Because this message is largely a teaching message
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and heavily historic, the creed itself is the
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home text that we are jumping off from. In all
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ways, it is a result of the careful evaluation
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of scriptural texts. But because of this, I will
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be presenting text along the way versus working
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from a passage. We will be jumping around many
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passages today, so I suggest if there are some
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that you want to circle back to, have a paper
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and pen handy so you can just jot down the references
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and then you can go back and reread them later.
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With that said, let's use this as the point at
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which we're going to pray for today's message
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and what God has for us. God, we welcome you
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into this space in our hearts. You are here.
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We acknowledge that you are present with us,
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but we want to recognize an invitational spirit
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within us to say to you, we want to hear from
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you. We want to learn from you. We want to grow.
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And so use these words and our look at the creeds
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today as encouragement. Help. It tie us more
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deeply to the church body historic and the church
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body globally. Let us see the bigger picture
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of your work in this world and who you have been
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to us. Help us grow in who you are and in our
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faith today. Let me pray this in your name. Amen.
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So, guys, I think we know that the Church of
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the New Testament was a scrappy bunch of people.
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They were common. They were unpolished. They
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were not society's best in a contest of clout.
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Even Rich's album holds a word that would be
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appropriate for these early followers. Ragamuffin.
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The word in the album's title is referring to
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Brendan Manning's book, The Ragamuffin Gospel.
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If you want to know more about this, ask Greg,
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ask Cindy. You will watch their whole face change
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when they talk about this book. The book centers
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on the truth that Jesus came for the bedraggled,
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the beat up, and the burnt out, the outcasts
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and imperfect people, the ragamuffins. The church
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got its start before it really had time to think
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about what it was. And as the church began to
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take root further out from Jerusalem, Judea,
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Samaria, and into the areas known as the ends
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of the earth, the core aspects of the message
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also started getting a little stretched. 1 Timothy
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1 .3 says, As I urged you when I went to Macedonia,
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stay there in Ephesus so that you may command
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certain people not to teach false doctrines any
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longer or to devote themselves to myths and endless
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genealogy. Such things promote controversial
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speculations rather than advancing God's work,
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which is by faith. Galatians 1, 6. I am astonished
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that you are so quickly deserting the one who
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called you to live in the grace of Christ and
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are turned to a different gospel, which is really
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no gospel at all. Evidently, some people are
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throwing you into confusion and are trying to
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pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we
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or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel
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other than the one we preached to you. Let them
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be under God's curse, as we have already said.
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So now I say again, if anyone is preaching to
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you a gospel other than what you accepted, let
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them be under God's curse. Wow. So even in the
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early church, already we are starting to see
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a stray, a movement from the gospel was being
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distorted even early on. The young church hadn't
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been around for more than a few decades when
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these words were being written, and things were
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starting to go a little off the rails. So I want
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to jump ahead a few hundred years. Can you imagine
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what happened in that time? We're going to land
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in the first quarter of the fourth century, and
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it was a really pivotal time in the history of
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the world. Constantine, you've probably heard
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his name. Has just become the emperor of Rome.
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The Roman emperor. Christians have been a minority
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group, but things are about to change. The old
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Roman empire is on its last legs. The new will
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be ushered in. Constantine is a catalyst for
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this. He moves the operations of the empire to
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Byzantium in modern -day Turkey, the city that
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became modern -day Istanbul. Not? There we go.
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thank you and in a bold move he decriminalizes
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christianity and ends the era of persecution
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for them so in the two centuries between when
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the church had started and where we find ourselves
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now You had those, the church grew significantly
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during that time. So you had those that leaned
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towards more esoteric and philosophical ideas
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of Christianity and that there's like secret
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knowledge that only certain people can know.
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Or you also had those who wanted distinct clarity
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on every single point. So they got really, really
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stuck in doctrine and dogma. Certain thinkers
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developed unique strains of thought and gained
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followers and churches or regional groups of
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churches each. had their own rules of faith that
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would be adopted at baptism. The waters of orthodoxy
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had gotten murkier and murkier. Various teachings
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gained strength, and there was no real good collective
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plumb line. There were collections of scriptures,
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but even those were still being verified and
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discussed and collected and canonized. So by
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the time Constantine was ready to say, hey, you
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know, the Christians are cool, We're fine with
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them. It had to get cleaned up a bit because
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once the faith was no longer underground, sharp
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theological disputes emerged, particularly about
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things like the nature of Christ. Is he divine?
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Is he one with the Father? So Arianism was a
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prevalent doctrine that rejects the traditional
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notion of the Trinity. It is... you might think
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that I'm going on a side quest. When I tell you
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that Arianism was so... I just had the word.
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It was sort of... What's that? It was really
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prolific, and it was a big problem in the church.
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So it was a prevalent doctrine that rejects the
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traditional notion of the Trinity, teaching that
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Jesus was created by God and is therefore distinct
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from and subordinate to God. The council's outcome,
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so this council that got together to decide some
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things, I'm about to talk about it, deemed that
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this was a heretical idea. That was the outcome
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of it. But this view threatened the unity of
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the church. The unity of the church was not Constantine's
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concern, but because it was such a big deal,
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it was also... potentially problematic for the
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empire. And that was of Constantine's concern.
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How are these things connected? Reasonable question
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from a 21st century church. Religion is to us
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a personal thing and something you practice on
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your own. Not here. Because in the history of
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the empire, religion was civic. It was all of
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us. It was the case with Rome Historic, and it
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was meant to be the case when Constantine eventually
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said, this is our whole personality now. So wanting
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both theological and political stability would
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make sense. And so things had to get unified
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in the church. He called the first ecumenical
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council together to resolve it. It was a political
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initiative. Let's get you folks together to talk
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this out because it was such... an unstable source
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in the empire. So in the summer months of 325
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Common Era, the first contemporary era, the first
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gathering is said to have occurred. It happened
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in Turkey, in Nicaea, with about 200, so 220
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to 300 bishops, mainly from the Eastern Roman
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Empire. So think Turkey, Palestine, Syria, Northern
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Africa, Armenia, Georgia, Persia. Honestly, places
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we today do not think of the Christian church,
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but they were critical. They were our church
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fathers. And then there was a small representation
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from the West. So there's so much we could talk
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about here, like there's so much, and I would
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love to talk about that with you if you want
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to talk more after this. But we need to jump
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another 55 years to the future, to 381 CE, rather.
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So Constantine's dead. Heresies are still around
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in the empire. Arianism, among others, still
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have tendrils and spaces far and wide. Civil
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war was literally on the table for the empire
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because of this. New Emperor Judas Theodosius,
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the first, is in charge at this point. So Christendom
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has come a long way. New issues have arisen,
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new heresies to combat, in addition to the old
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ones. Especially now, what does the nature of
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the Trinity, or excuse me, the Trinity and the
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Holy Spirit look like? So Theodosius requests
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a defense of the faith from all the major sects
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providing, that they provide sort of... We need
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to get back to this because we are falling apart.
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We need you to really, really nail down what
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you believe. So the first council did come up
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with something. It was in use for about 60 years.
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And then it needed to be expounded upon. It wasn't
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carrying the weight that it needed to for the
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church. It needed to become more robust. Words
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needed to become clearer. So what I'm saying
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is over this amount of time, the thing that we
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say on the fifth Sunday. was labored over. It
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was a potentially empire -crushing thing for
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this not to get solved. That's kind of a surprise,
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I would think, for those of us who, you know,
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we just say this casually on our fifth Sunday,
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right? This is a big, big deal. So, a word on
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this. Christians had to develop the biblical
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and philosophical traditions that they inherited.
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And what I mean by this, so like the principles
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of one God and Father Almighty maker of heaven
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and earth, they were present, they existed, they
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were comfortable, but their meanings were not
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fully appreciated until the questions of the
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origin were made clear. We have to talk about
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where does this all get? founded in? What is
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the root of all this? Do we just believe it because
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this is what we've just always done? Or do we
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understand where the foundations of this all
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lie? And so I think we can all appreciate not
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blindly accepting something because it's the
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way it's always been done, right? That's essentially
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what they were trying to get away from. The apostolic
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church got rolling before they could really ask
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questions about what they were doing. We see
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in somewhat real time in the scriptures the things
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that they were figuring out in the moment. How
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to care for widows, how to handle communion,
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how to treat the poor, how to respond to society.
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They had to figure out a lot as they went along.
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They were learning how to listen to the Spirit
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of God and hold true to the words of Jesus as
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things came up. And so with just about everything
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we do, we figure out practice in the moment.
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What do we do about fill in the blank? Often
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the plan and policy get rarely really parsed
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out only after you have had time to look at how
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you've been doing things. So these councils reviewed
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scripture. Incidentally, the Bible in the form
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most Catholics would know it in was also generally
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agreed upon. around 382 in Rome, in the Western
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Church. So these councils reviewed scripture,
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considered the practices and the traditions of
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the churches that had already taken into consideration
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some of these big topics. They debated the position.
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Arianism that I talked about, Arius himself was
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present at the first council to defend himself,
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later got exiled. They prayed and asked the Spirit
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for wisdom, and I believe that they took the
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assignment quite seriously. And they did this
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all so that they could come up with, we believe.
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Given what I just told you, the significance
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of this one opening line, credo, we believe,
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I believe, is profound. When I tell you it was
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a big deal to say as much together, it was a
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big deal. to get to that point. So we believe.
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Sure, belief, it just makes sense to start with
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it, right? But it's bigger than that. Yes, it's
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a good place to start when talking about a statement
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of faith, but know that it was a hard -fought
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landing point. The start carried the weight of
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the whole church up to that point. In our world
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today, when we think about what it means to believe,
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We make that word belief and faith nearly synonymous
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with each other. We think of something that is
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blindly accepted without evidence. Not entirely,
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but we do understand the word almost as even
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things that have evidential backing. Often in
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our world today, faith and science are opposed
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to each other or often pitted against each other
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because one is assumed to be based in evidence
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and the other is not. That is our current perspective
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in a lot of ways. But the term belief means almost
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exactly the opposite today from what they meant
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in the early church. The church fathers, Irenaeus
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being one of them, was writing in the second
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century. He outlines some of the essential elements
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that make clear that faith is not a subjective
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opinion, but is based on actual evidence and
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objective reality. Belief is based on what is
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known. So for the early church, belief and knowledge
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work together. We have faith when we learn something
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from another. We have knowledge when we see something
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for ourselves. Honestly, almost everything we
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think we know, we, in fact, believe on the testimony
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and authority of others. We believe most things
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our friends relate to us about their lives and
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experience. That we often have not witnessed
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these things firsthand, but we believe them to
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be true based on what somebody is telling us.
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We believe the history, geography, and science
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we've been taught, even though we were not present
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at the events, have not visited the places, or
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cannot verify the science. Due to time, inclination,
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or ability, it is actually impossible to investigate
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every question for ourselves, isn't it? It is
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completely reasonable, then, to experience belief
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in most areas of our life based on what we have
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been told from the testimonies of others. We
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cannot operate our daily lives without it. So
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how can we have belief in God based on this thinking?
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How can faith exist universally? This was the
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importance of the apostles' work. This was why
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in the development of the Bible canon, the accounts
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of Acts and the letters of Paul, Peter, James,
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and Jude were so important and why they worked
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together to recognize their veracity. The church
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history traced back to ground zero. The traditions
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that had the deepest roots, the practices that
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lined up with Jesus. And so it is with the testimony
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of those who had experienced and known Jesus
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that others were commanded to go and tell others
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so that they would also then believe. Mark 16,
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15 through 16 said to them, go into all the world
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and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation.
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Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved,
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but whoever does not believe will be condemned.
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It was based on, belief was going to be based
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on somebody else's testimony. John 20, 29, Jesus
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said to him, Have you believed because you have
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seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen
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and yet have believed. It was about the testimony.
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We believe was not a guess in the dark. It was
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deeply rooted in what the church had experienced
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from the point of Jesus. It was presenting what
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it had already found to be true as to what to
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build the structure of one's faith on. Belief
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was based on the evidence of the apostles and
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their experience and their testimony and their
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witness. But as we said, the church was dealing
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with all sorts of ideas here in this point in
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which the creed was called upon to be put together.
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So the church was dealing with all sorts of ideas
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about who it was. that they were following and
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how they were following. For the early church
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and the catalyst issues of the councils, the
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key questions were about the nature of Jesus
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and the Holy Spirit. God the Father had been
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worked out long before the council met in the
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face of challenges from Gnosticism paganism in
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the second and third centuries, early Christians
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started to work out systematically what it meant
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that there is only one God who is Father Almighty.
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Because they had to. Consider the context of
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the early church. Greeks, pantheistic. Romans,
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pantheistic. Even Egyptians had a long history
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there from their dynasties. Pantheistic. It is
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not unheard of to have a monotheistic religion
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in the ancient world, but monotheism was definitely
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in the minority. While there is ample testimony
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in Scripture that God is called Father and Almighty,
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there is no occurrence of these terms actually
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together. So we have, we believe in one God,
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Father Almighty. There is no occurrence of these
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terms together. But God is called Father 17 times
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in the Old Testament and more than 250 times
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in the New. And in the Greek translations of
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the Old Testament, it occurs more than 150 times.
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The precedent is there. Again, all of this, all
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of the things from the creeds are rooted in the
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scriptures. So early Christian tradition speaks
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about God as Father in a few distinct ways. And
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because nothing could be taken for granted, it
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all needed to be reviewed and evaluated. I think
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often our idea of God as father becomes very
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zeroed in on one aspect of father. God as dad.
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We hear father and go directly to God, the top
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dad figure. And though that has some founding,
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as we just talked about. Father is mentioned
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a lot in the scriptures. We tend to overlook
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the broadness of the idea that the early church
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was forced to consider. Jesus certainly led the
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way on this, thinking even instructing us to
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pray our Father and setting the tone for us by
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calling Yahweh Abba, with Galatians later guiding
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us to do the same. Galatians 4, 6, because you
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are his children, God sent the spirit of his
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Son into our hearts, the spirit who calls out,
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Abba, Father. But also, God as Father Almighty
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Dad is the bearded dude sitting on the throne
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punishing us when we misbehave. This is the prevalent
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thinking when we talk about God the Father. We
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have combated this thinking in our modern worship
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because we know how prevalent it is by singing
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songs like you're a good, good father. Because
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we need to remind ourselves. Because we have
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adhered most commonly to the trope of the dad
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who is told all the day's wrongs. You just wait
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until your father gets home. It is where we have
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landed in terms of understanding God the Father
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Almighty. However, the early church did not see
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God the Father the same way and in such a narrow
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way. Yes. Yahweh is the father that Jesus referred
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to, and we have created images of God existing
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this way as a parent. Think of all the artwork
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from the Renaissance era. But I want to shift
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that thinking from parent, father as parent,
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to father as source, the starting point, the
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beginning, which has different connotations to
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it. Has different impressions. 1 Corinthians
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8, 6. Yet for us there is but one God, the Father,
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from whom all things came and for whom we live.
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And there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through
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whom all things came and through whom we live.
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Deuteronomy 32, 6. In this way you repay the
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Lord, you foolish and unwise people. Is he not
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your Father, your Creator, who made you and formed
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you? Psalm 139, 13 through 15. For you created
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my inmost being. You knit me together in my mother's
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womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and
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wonderfully made. Your works are wonderful. I
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know that full well. And Isaiah 64, 8. Yet you,
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Lord, are our Father. We are the clay and you
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are the potter. We are the work of your hand.
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Father as not just parent, but Father as source.
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Father as creator. When we broaden our understanding
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of father to include father as source, some other
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things fall into place more easily. Because if
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we see God the father as parent only, it changes
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what almighty means. It gives us that sense of
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the judgmental dad, the big guy. But if we understand
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God the Father as source, almighty is refrained
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and carries us through to the almighty source
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that is now the maker of heaven and earth, all
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that is visible and invisible. It carries us
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forward. Colossians 1 .16 For in him all things
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were created, things in heaven and on earth,
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visible and invisible. Unlike other ancient creation
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stories where the world is a result of violence
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or a fall, Genesis 1 tells the story of a good
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God who creates a good world through his creative
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reason. Through speech, God brings order out
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of chaos and light out of darkness. Written probably
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during the Babylonian exile, Genesis 1 is a kind
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of declaration of war on the Babylonian gods.
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Heaven and earth is much like a phrase that encompasses
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all, the alpha and omega, the beginning and the
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end, from the east to the west. Some of the other
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prevalent controversies centered around thoughts
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of different realms of existence. So the Gnostics
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and others often said that there were different
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makers for different realms. There was a father
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of the heavenly realm, but also a malevolent
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demiurge of the earthly realm. Or our souls came
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from a source of light, whereas our bodies came
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from a source of darkness. These were prevalent
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ideas and philosophies that sort of ran around
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and absorbed Christianity and intermingled with
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it. Alternatively, in a polytheistic culture,
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invisible spirits, where God's rivals, equals,
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or subordinates could be equal to God rather
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than his creatures. The Creed states emphatically
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that God is the maker of heaven and earth, which
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includes all things visible and invisible. God
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was not one of many. God is Father Almighty,
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sovereign, source over all. And by being so capable
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of being the singular source of all things, It
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was a radical and bold move for Christianity
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to say that God is not the highest thing in the
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world, but rather the radically transcender creator
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of it. He is not subject to time or space, but
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is the creator of time and space existing outside
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of it. Creation is not ultimate so that God finds
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a place within it. God is not a being that is
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situated within creation. Rather, God is the
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source of all creation and all the beings found
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within it, which is why God, the source almighty,
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is capable of being the source from which all
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things, heaven and earth, invisible and visible,
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are created. In fact, this was driven home harder
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in the revisiting of the creed in 381 from the
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original in 325. In 325, they walked away having
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completed this statement, We believe in one God,
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the Father Almighty, maker of all things visible
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and invisible. They revisited this in 381, adding,
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We believe in one God, the Father Almighty, the
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maker of heaven and earth, of all things visible
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and invisible. Because they were combating very
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real ideologies that were existing that they
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needed to come to very distinct understanding
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of. So things we take for granted. had to be
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worked through and worked through and wrestled
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and discussed and had to have time to sit and
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be revisited. The framework was not entirely
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built when Jesus called Peter to be the first
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pastoral leader, which feels wild to us, right?
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That feels a little reckless, just picking a
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human to build a church on. I mean, it wasn't.
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Let me be very clear. But when you think of all
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that came after it, And how little the disciples
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started with? They started with a calling and
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the Spirit of God. And Jesus said, that is enough
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to get you going. And you have my teachings.
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There you go. And truthfully, the early church
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also thought Jesus was returning in a month.
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It was imminent. It was coming very soon. And
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so they just sort of lived in a survival mode.
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But as the church went on, And they had to figure
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things out, and they had to work in a world in
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which an empire was changing, and leaders were
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changing, and things were moving, and Christianity
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was moving into spaces where cultures were different.
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They had to figure more things out. And so that's
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what they did. It was forged over time. The church
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developed before it knew what it was. Time necessitated
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organization. Teachings came out of cultural
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settings and practice. The words of Jesus and
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the leading of the spirit. Theology is a luxury
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of time. The creed is not magic. There's nothing
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specifically holy imbued in it. However, much
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like there are things in our world that help
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us remember our path. the direction we're facing,
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the code that keeps us clear -eyed. If anyone's
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ever had a vowel renewal ceremony or reflected
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once again on the commitments made, a creed is
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a tool for us. With all of this said, we can
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appreciate that when we here speak the creed
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together and we begin with, we believe, we can
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hold on to that moment with a bit more understanding
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and even awe for how we got here. It is not a
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given that we can say we believe together in
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one heart and one faith. The book of Hebrews
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is entirely about the faith that was passed down
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to us. 2, 1 through 4 says, We must pay the most
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careful attention, therefore, to what we have
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heard, so that we do not drift away. For since
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the message spoken through the angels was binding
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and every violation and disobedience received
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its just punishment, how shall we escape if we
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ignore so great a salvation? The salvation which
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was first announced by the Lord was confirmed
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to us by those who heard it. God also testified
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to it by signs and wonders and various miracles
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and by gifts of the Holy Spirit distributed according
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to his will. We believe in what was held to be
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true by those whom Jesus chose to build the church
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on. and they mindfully recorded what they knew
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and experienced. We also believe because of the
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faith of those who have come before, who tested
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the truth of Jesus, the work of the Spirit in
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the church historic, with the weight of their
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whole lives. We have valued the lives of the
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church parents who came before us. We believe
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the testimony and the witness of the church historic,
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universal, and global. And I am moved to think
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that because of the belief that I have and live,
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and my testimony and my witness, and our belief
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and our testimony and our witness, others will
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also be able to join in belief. The we believe.
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And throughout time, the we believe has gotten
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louder and bigger and stronger. When we say the
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creeds, we join with the early church. It is
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a powerful thing to share these words with those
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that came centuries before, who forged a way
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of faith for us to... have a framework in which
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we understand that we aren't floating adrift,
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that we feel connected to, that draws us back
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to the home of Jesus when he was on this earth.
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And so over the next few weeks, as we continue
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to look at how the creed was broken down and
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what it says, Each week, let that go deeper into
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you. Let that settle more deeply into you. Use
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each week as an opportunity to meditate on the
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words of that week. We believe in one God, Father
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Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all that
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is visible and invisible. This week, sit with
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those words and consider what it was that got
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us here. And then how does that gird up your
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testimony and your faith to continue to build
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the church forward so that more can say we believe?
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Let's pray. God, we are grateful for the family
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of yours throughout history. It is extraordinary
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that we are here today. And we are so grateful
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for those that you have built up in faith and
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belief. Throughout time, we are grateful for
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every testimony. We are grateful for the witness
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of the church. We're grateful for the witness
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of your spirit. We're grateful to be here today,
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to have a belief, something to believe in. And
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so as we continue to meditate on these things,
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God, may that strengthen us. May it strengthen
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our faith this week. And may our lives be something
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that strengthen other people's faith because
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of the experience we've had. But in all things,
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we look to you. We're grateful for your life
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in us. And we love you. Amen.