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  1. Good. Are you all doing good this evening? Yes. We just had a wonderful time with some

  2. of the ones who lead the households and I believe that God has already begun a good

  3. work. I just want you to know that Pastor Jacob has been, I don't know, you call him

  4. Jacob, right? You don't call him Pastor Jacob. Do you call him Pastor Jacob? No,

  5. Jacob? Prophet Jacob? Prophet Jacob? Most Reverend Jacob. He's been a blessing. Okay,

  6. he's been a blessing whenever he comes down to Chennai. He's been a blessing. There are other

  7. places that have begun to travel with him in India. He's been a blessing. So I want you to

  8. know that this man has been blessed with this group of people and that's whenever someone

  9. actually is a blessing, it's just not because that person is a blessing. He comes from a source

  10. that's blessed. Amen? And I believe with all of my heart that you are that source and that you are

  11. commissioning of him to the ends of the earth has been a blessing not only to our church back in

  12. Chennai but I believe it's been a blessing to many, many, many other places. He was there at our

  13. missions gathering where over 160 plus missionaries from different parts of India had gathered

  14. together and it was fantastic three days and God has been ministering through him and through the

  15. lives of people into the information about what God wants to do in and through people's lives and

  16. it's been revolutionary in the lives of people with regards to what they have been in after that

  17. and so the ministries are changing and the way people do ministries are changing and so I really

  18. want to thank God for Jacob and for the source from where he's been commissioned and I really

  19. want to thank each and every one of you. I think it's a good time to clap hands with yourself.

  20. And Pastor Jacob did not ask me to talk these things. That's for once. But he wanted me to remind you

  21. that on July 17th this is his birthday and my comments on the previous section where I said here

  22. after Jacob is not going to be the one you have to take up and run and all of that he wanted to

  23. make sure that he's still your leader and he wants you to remember 17th of July. That's your only

  24. request he has. Rest of the things you can forget. That's just being him. Good let's go. I am almost

  25. lost for something new to be sharing with you okay because I think with two times coming over and I'm

  26. not going to talk something different or something radically different from what God has been

  27. deposited into my heart and I've seen the world is so obsessed with something new. Something

  28. that's something different and so sometimes I've struggled with this idea of how can we present

  29. something new to every time you go and I've come to a place in life where I have come to this

  30. great settlement. There's nothing new under the sun okay. There's nothing new under the sun. It

  31. actually the Word of God and the principles of Christ are not something that's like wide and

  32. great and innovative and no it's not. Actually it's about putting the simple format of it. It's

  33. but the challenge is not knowing the few things. The challenge is taking those few things and

  34. making it part and parcel of our life and living. That's the challenge that we need to take up this

  35. morning this evening. So you got to come to a place where we got to constantly recognize and

  36. realize where the how do we survive as ministers and preachers is because you forget okay. That's

  37. the only way we survive because it's so much only is there content with regard if you really

  38. really take the content of the scriptures the content of the scriptures only seven main teaching

  39. topics. How do we survive? It's because you don't remember and so and you change the title or you

  40. put a different slide you can actually preach the same sermon with a different slide and people

  41. think it's new and say pastor through you God spoke to me. That's how people that's how pastors

  42. survive 52 times in a year. They preach the same thing again and again in different formats and

  43. and with maybe one or two different illustrations or experiences and it becomes new. But all that

  44. I'm saying trying to say this evening is not so much of how much knowledge you have. It is

  45. how we have translated this knowledge into everyday life and so God is calling this church

  46. Acts 29 and this evening I want to describe Acts 29 a little different than how it's been defined

  47. not because I've been given a permission to describe it that I take the liberty of coming

  48. to the church because I'm invited in I'm taking this liberty to say hey you are not just you are

  49. a network. I'm giving the statement and then I'm going to explain to you what this all about. A

  50. network of at least six churches in and around greater than Goa. I'm declaring it and then I'm

  51. going to help us understand together what this is all about. It's a network of at least six

  52. churches in and around greater Vancouver and so you got to understand that there is a base

  53. in which you operate. The base that you operated in till 2019 was that there is there's one

  54. congregation so the base that you were operated in is of the old paradigm which is called the you

  55. are one congregation and called Acts 29 and you met together in different places at last you

  56. actually found a place in in in Burness okay and you met together every evening every Sunday

  57. evening and Jacob was kind of although he did not mention he was a pastor he was a kind of a

  58. a priest and you were a set of people who were clergy and you were a set of people who were

  59. lady but then God through various teachings broke that out and we actually moved into

  60. understanding that we are one people of God who need to serve all are called to serve there's

  61. so many so many teachings that have gone through father-sons and I think our God has brought in

  62. several people through the history of this church that have come and helped us understand

  63. and realize the teachings better and better and better and introduce introduction into the

  64. apostolic and all of that but slowly where God is taking you as a church is that you have become

  65. an apostolic base and I'm using all kinds of statements without explaining to you everything

  66. but I'm just throwing it out so we can start building around it you are an apostolic base from

  67. where God is launching something powerful that's going to impact an entire world

  68. in order to in order to see this and recognize this you got a shift out of this old paradigm of

  69. we are a congregation here we are a congregation here we have a pastor here we have someone that

  70. we meet every Sunday and and a patch Jacob ministers to us and we love what God is doing

  71. in through passage Jacob to understanding that we are slowly becoming a six different

  72. not different in the sense six churches that are meeting together first I need your help

  73. Vancouver and I may not be good in the map of it okay Burnaby

  74. be a be Burnaby Richmond

  75. Delta

  76. maple rich

  77. Manco or one man cool. Okay.

  78. These are the six houses that are meeting together.

  79. Why this is important is because the scriptures define the church to be different from what the

  80. 21st century understanding of church is. Because church somehow has lost its real essence and has

  81. become a religious body. Okay. Religious body. And so churches represent the institution called

  82. religion. And Christianity as a religion and I have made this statement before and I make it

  83. again. Christianity as a religion has no power. It is powerless. And that's why it's ineffective.

  84. It is Christianity as a religion has no power and is ineffective in this world. Because

  85. Christianity is one more thing like Buddhism, like Hinduism. Because we follow it as a religion.

  86. It has its own systems. It has its own own things which is so contrary and sometimes opposed to

  87. what the scriptures say. And so we got to very, very meticulously and very, very intentionally

  88. break out of this religious institutional structure of Christianity and identify ourselves as how the

  89. scriptures define the church to be. Okay. Is that clear? Is that clear? And so in order to shake that out,

  90. we sometimes have to declare it. We sometimes have to voice it out. And we got to, I keep constantly

  91. telling Christianity has no power. Christianity as a religion has no power. Jesus did not come to

  92. inaugurate something called a religion called Christianity. Christianity and Hinduism has the

  93. same kinds of things in the sense like there are certain things that I really if you go into the

  94. Hindu world and philosophy there are good things there. So it's not about what's good, what's bad.

  95. It's about you got to understand that you got to understand and I'm trying to push this and I'm

  96. extending it a little more. There are demonic powers inside Christianity. There are structures

  97. and such structures that they go and try to touch. And you know what in the night happens? In the

  98. night I have demonic attacks when I actually start to mess up with church structures. Attacks

  99. from the evil one. You're just trying to go and shift structures inside a church, a Pentecostal

  100. church and what gets attacked is the evil one. Because these structures are powered because there

  101. are selfish motives and and controls and and authorities that are not of Christ's. That as a

  102. mammon that's motivated by money and motivated by self and motivated by by by by obsession and

  103. dictatorship. So you got to understand we got a hate with all of our hearts. The organized is when

  104. I say hate it doesn't mean that we don't love anybody. When I'm saying hate it's because of

  105. the shift that the Spirit of God wants for the church. Now we got to very very very strongly say

  106. no to this form of Christianity. No to this form of religion. So this evening if you are coming here

  107. to be part of this church and you have this old idea of what a church is and what this Christianity

  108. is and you're participating in this church you are going to be shaken a lot. Because there is a

  109. shift that is going to take place and the shift is not always. You need to understand what Jacob

  110. represents is of a different kind of giftedness that may not be found. This is the greatest

  111. challenge that you're going to face as a church together. The leaders and shepherds of these will

  112. not and may not exhibit the same giftedness as Jacob. And that's going to be a lot more disappointing.

  113. That's going to be the greatest disappointment. People love gifts. They don't love Christ.

  114. Yes Chad. Because people say gifts people don't see. Because that's the philosophy of the world.

  115. The world rates people and classifies them and prefers gifts. It's going to be one of the most

  116. greatest challenges when we shift into a apostolic base of six churches. Because you don't have Jacob

  117. and all the six. Jacob may visit the six once in a while. Or he may visit because there are

  118. six churches that are coming together. So if I have to follow this and the way of this world

  119. of the church. This church world and this is the biblical church. So this is the worldly church.

  120. We're going to classify it as worldly church and this is the biblical church.

  121. The worldly church is made of the same philosophy of the world. Who have the most followers? Those

  122. who are gifted. So what is the giftedness that people truly follow? They follow innovation. They

  123. follow communication. If someone is able to communicate well, yes that's number one. So if

  124. someone is not able to communicate with words because Christ is not building this entire

  125. church based on the ability for someone to wordsmith things.

  126. This is the gift of grace. I love how Jacob puts things together. Even more than how he speaks,

  127. I love for him to write. That's his giftedness. That's how Christ gifted him. That may not be

  128. the portion of the shepherd that God appoints over

  129. this church. That person would have a giftedness that's so super important and very important

  130. not in terms of the world but in terms of the church. And is needed for that community and God

  131. is going to shape that person up to be a leader of that community because God himself has appointed

  132. him. As a first breaking down that needs to take place in our minds, we don't worship gifts.

  133. We worship Christ, the giver of multiple, multivarious gifts in the body.

  134. We worship Christ. We don't worship gifts.

  135. How is Christ truly exalted?

  136. The expression of Christ is his body. You need to understand that the world is not going to see

  137. the world is not going to see Christ with their naked eyes. But what is he allowed after his

  138. ascension is his representation, his manifold representation through the community. If the

  139. whole world needs to see it is because the church is united and representing and manifesting Christ

  140. to the world that they know that they are one and because the father and son are one and the son and

  141. his body are one that the whole world will know that the father sent the son. That's the entire

  142. logic and entire thing that Jesus explains in John chapter 17. How will the world know? The problem

    John 17 chapter mention

  143. is that we have come and we have sold this wrong philosophy that the world will know because you

  144. can communicate the gospel well. The world will know because Billy Graham can preach so well. The

  145. world will know because media and technology can know this is not how the world will know.

  146. Sometimes we build and build massive institutions or organizations that is not the church of Jesus

  147. Christ. All done under the name of Christ. All done under the name of Christianity. But it's

  148. not nothing to do with what Christ is doing. And that's why many people think that the church is a

  149. failure. If church is a failure Christ is failure. No Christ is not building our kinds of churches.

  150. Christ has not failed and he continues to do in various different expressions across this world.

  151. Christ is building his church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And unless we

  152. come to this full-blown understanding that I have to very strongly detest this worldly church and

  153. the building of the worldly church. I will not be able to build what Christ is building.

  154. And that is not dependent on the gift of the leader.

  155. It does not depend on the musicians and the ability to lead worship.

  156. If there's someone like Jane in our house church it's perfectly fine.

  157. That's nothing wrong. Or if someone can be... I love Jacob's leading of worship.

  158. Not everyone is going to do that.

  159. See you got to shake away from the norms of what the world defines the church to be

  160. if you have to build what Jesus is wanting to build in Greater Vancouver.

  161. What did I say?

  162. No we got to get rid of what defines the worldly church in order to build truly what Christ is

  163. building in Greater Vancouver. Something like that I said. Okay so we got to shake that out because

  164. we have a set idea of what a church is. We have a set idea of that is what will get translated

  165. into our homes and into our households. So we want to replicate what happened on on Sunday evenings

  166. and sometimes we feel like that's not happening there. That's not happening there.

  167. And we miss out on what Christ is doing there.

  168. Yes.

  169. Church is about people. Church is about people and people's lives being transformed.

  170. Church is not about the activity that is done apart from it. See there may be various activities

  171. so we... Times of singing could be one of the activities that Christ... It's not about how we

  172. sing and how... And just because we don't have great music doesn't mean that we can't build a

  173. great church. That's the logic because the world has shaped us to understand that it is only through

  174. great music that we can actually build a great church. And that's why churches scramble and

  175. pray high for musicians. They compromise anything and everything. It doesn't matter how the musician

  176. is as long as they can play music in the church.

  177. And where is that cell going to? Where is it going?

  178. You're getting... See you're getting the idea of what I'm trying to communicate. It's not about...

  179. Sometimes we got to shake out of the norm of how church has been done in order to build what Jesus

  180. is building. Jesus is building people. People come in various giftedness. Your leader in the church,

  181. in the six churches here, will not be Jacob. And I really thank... You sometimes need to sit down

  182. and thank God for it. Because it would be different. It would be... Because I had to

  183. break out of it because I was always looking for people who are very similar to me in order to do

  184. what Christ is doing. And then God had to shake that out of me and say, no, that is not how I

  185. build my church. I build my church through anyone who is willing to cooperate with me.

  186. And therefore, that would be... In this church, there would be... Sometimes the leader in the

  187. church here may not be actually communicating every week. Is it okay? Because there may be other

  188. good people who are good with communication that may be communicating. Because somehow we associate

  189. the leader of the church to be the communicator, super ace communicator. The leader of the church

  190. needs to really shape the teachings in his life. That's the first thing. He communicates not by

  191. words. He communicates through life. So we got to shift out of this... There is a role of communication.

  192. I'm not saying that there's no role to communication. There's no role to gifted speaking.

  193. The gifted speakers would always have a role to play in the churches because learning and teaching

  194. is an oral tradition too. And learning and teaching sometimes is written forms too. So there will be

  195. people communicating. But the leader of the church that God appoints as shepherd may not be an ace.

  196. Communicator. Need not be an orator. But has the ability to teach. Has the ability to teach. The

  197. ability to teach may not always be about gifted speaking. But it's about life on life rubbing.

  198. It's about life lived out. Teaching through life lived out. And if that life is actually...

  199. I am seeing that again and again. When you see someone like Jerry, I never thought Jerry would

  200. have any hope in leading a church. But you allow the Spirit of God to... For those guys to come up

  201. and put a set of guys around them. So what I'm experiencing is those who are not ace in their

  202. giftedness always rally people around them so that the job gets done. And that's beautiful

  203. than just one man shining.

  204. And so the lack of the prominent giftedness, people always allow others to blossom. And because

  205. they allow others to blossom, it becomes beautiful. It's not centered around a man or a woman. It's

  206. centered around the community. And that's what Christ wants.

  207. So we're going to shift. And so 2019 is halfway through and maybe 2020 onwards we are really

  208. pushing this... That which Christ wants for Greater Vancouver. And what begins in Greater

  209. Vancouver is not going to be just Greater Vancouver, but it's going to impact the world.

  210. That's the larger picture. Okay, so this being the introduction part of it, I want to step into what

  211. is called as you as a church together, you as churches together, having a base of around six

  212. churches need to continue to grow, need to continue to multiply around this place so that your base

  213. will become stronger and stronger because what needs to happen across the world truly depends on

  214. the base. Because if the base is not strong enough, you know the foundations. If the foundation is not

  215. strong enough, whatever we build on this foundation is not going to last. Because Jacob will be gone,

  216. he'll be doing other things and Jacob is not the only person who's going to be doing this. And

  217. we have had several conversations and over a period of time also recognized and realized that

  218. Jacob is a person who can actually do a lot of things single-handedly. And so over a period of

  219. time Jacob is going to be, shall I share? Jacob is going to be a person who's going to break down

  220. on himself being the single apostolic person to build a apostolic team around him.

  221. Which is cutting down a lot of privileges and things that he wants to do and to build around

  222. the team which is going to be one more hard process that is very specific to him and we

  223. will have a conversation separately not with the church. Because we got used to certain things. I

  224. got used to certain things and then you have to shift what God wants us to do in the next phase

  225. of our life. And therefore, so that apart, I'm concentrating on the base which is the six churches

  226. at this point of time. Can we become strong in order that the apostolic team that Jacob

  227. has been launched from here can do what God is wanting to do across the world?

  228. You understand the base foundation introduction that I'm trying to lay down because we'll start

  229. to build on it day two, day three. So this church which is six churches and growing,

  230. six churches and growing must become strong and would supply the needs.

  231. Would supply the needs. When I say needs immediately I thought there's only finances. No,

  232. that's not the main need at this point of time. The main need at this point of it includes finances

  233. but a main need at the point of time is gifted leaders who are here who will be able to shepherd

  234. these six churches well to make sure that these six churches are multiplying in and around the

  235. greater Vancouver and lesser Vancouver. And out of these churches come team members who are called

  236. of God who will be able to move back and forth across the world. So I want to jump right in,

  237. with this as the foundation, I want to jump right in into what I would term as a church-based

  238. apostolic mission. Church-based apostolic mission. The way the New Testament, how the New Testament...

  239. That's BAM, BAM as business as missions.

  240. There are some people who do the other way around, church as business. But this is church-based

  241. apostolic mission that I want to take the principles of the New Testament, lay it down.

  242. But all these principles work only when a church or churches or a network of churches understand

  243. itself as a base, like an Antioch church. Antioch church was a base from where Paul and Pauline team

  244. operated initially. While they went about there were many bases that actually started out and

  245. there will be many bases that this church will be linked to. There will be other minor bases and

  246. major bases that as the spirit moves the church into several other parts and moves Jacob and his

  247. team to move to several other parts, this needs to happen. This needs to happen. And therefore,

  248. church-based apostolic mission is the overarching teaching that we need to receive as a church in

  249. order to process the next season of where God wants to take this church. Any questions?

  250. Any questions in the sense that are you finding it difficult to see this as a post-bishop because

  251. this is not an easy way to see this. This is not a challenge for you or this is a challenge for you?

  252. We need honesty. It's clear that you see this as a challenge because you will be sitting not on the

  253. teaching of Jacob. I'm not saying that Jacob won't teach. I'm saying if we shift it around,

  254. you are going to be participating in a community that may not have Jacob teaching you on this.

  255. There might be a common judgment, but most of the work may be done.

  256. And it may not be even in this group. I'm not talking about this group because

  257. you have grown and been established. Now it's for this group to do something.

  258. It's not like for you to be seated under someone here, although we may be a community to do that.

  259. We're going to touch only on the one, then we can divide the rest of the time tomorrow and day after.

  260. So let me outline the terms.

  261. A church that is like an Antioch days. So you've got to understand when Paul says church at Antioch,

  262. you think it's one church that made together on Sunday? What's your idea?

  263. The church when Paul is writing to the church in Philippi or when church in Corinth,

  264. what was the actual thing that was happening? He was not writing to one congregation. It was actually

  265. congregations that are spread across the city. You are clarity on that, right? It's not like

  266. not writing to a Sunday evening gathering that meets together at Inverness. No,

  267. he was not writing like that. He was writing to the churches that spread across the entire city.

  268. And that's how they call it. Church at Corinth means all the houses that met together in Corinth.

  269. Church at Rome, there were at least 75 of them in Rome. So you've got to understand that when

  270. the New Testament writings were written, they were not written to one small little house.

  271. The church at greater Vancouver that is associated with Acts 29 is at least six churches.

  272. And we are actually progressing that way. So that's a church. We need to understand the

  273. apostolic map. What do I mean by apostolic map?

  274. Apostolic map is the region, is the territory that God has called apostolic leaders that are

  275. based out of a church to be functioning in. So how do I pick that up? I pick that up from

  276. 2 Corinthians 10 verse 13 and then go on to 15 to 16. Paul is not directly talking about apostolic

    2 Corinthians 10:13

  277. map, but he is actually defending his apostleship with the Corinthian church because the Corinthian

  278. church were troublesome to Paul. Why? Because now Paul has planted those churches and have moved

  279. on to Ephesus and he's moved on to other places to plant churches and sin. Then after the churches

  280. have been planted, have been planted and to be multiplying and growing, there's a lot of problems

  281. that are happening in the church. And some of the problems that were happening in the churches that

  282. there was sinfulness, sexual immorality was there. There was people, two people fighting inside the

  283. church and they were taking each other to the court. There were issues with regards to temple

  284. feasts. There were issues with regards to divisions. There were issues with regards to women and what

  285. they wanted to do inside churches. A lot of troubles and Paul is addressing them and he's

  286. addressing those struggles that the churches were going through. Corinth said, no, we will not listen

  287. to you because now we have other super apostles who are doing spectacular things and are heavily

  288. gifted that you need to understand. By the time you come to 1 Corinthians chapter 13, 14, 12, 13

    1 Corinthians 13 chapter mention

  289. and 14, you come to this great struggle that Paul has and saying, hey, they are saying, no, Paul is

  290. okay. He did what he did. But now we have other super apostles who are speaking in tongues and

  291. prophesying and doing many other things and they are attracted to the supernatural giftedness and

  292. have lost the base of which the church needs to be established in which is love. And he goes on

  293. chapter 13 and he establishes the truth of what the church is to be based in which is love, love,

  294. love. Love is patient, love is kind. You can speak in tongues and I speak more than all of you guys

  295. in tongues but you can, that's making a lot of noise if you don't have the foundation of what the

  296. church is supposed to be which is the family of love. Everything is a waste. He comes, by the time

  297. he comes to the second Corinthians, he's actually fighting to tell them, hey guys, you can have a

  298. thousand guardians, man, but you can't have an apostolic father like me. Because that's the

  299. struggle when apostolic leaders establish churches and now are handing over to elders and now

  300. are concentrating on another region or another face or where the spirit of God is leading the

  301. apostolic team. The churches here can go through different things because they can open the doors

  302. to other guys who are not of the same spirit. And that's one of the things that these six

  303. churches need to vehemently guard. That apostolic leadership, once appointment and once they have

  304. released you to do what you're supposed to be doing, you are not opening the doors to other teachers.

  305. You are not opening the doors to other teachers and today other teachers don't have to come

  306. physically. They will come through videos, they will come through media, they will come through

  307. their books. It will be interesting, it will be a blessing. But if you don't understand this,

  308. the holistic sense of it, every now and then something Satan is going to be using against

  309. the churches. That's his ploy, that's what he wants to do and how he does it is he will bring

  310. another strange teaching that will be so similar to the teachings but is deviant from it.

  311. Okay, I'll explain apostolic leaders also.

  312. Cut off. Okay, I'll just, I'm coming down to apostolic leaders on the third point.

  313. So if you can engage with me a little more, I would come there.

  314. So I think it's right on Jacob to ask me to explain a little more about apostolic leaders.

  315. Okay. So these six, so for example, it all started with one community that

  316. worked together at Act 29. Jacob has been, so at this point of time we can represent the apostolic

  317. team to have one person who represents it and at this point of time let's say, at this point of

  318. time we know that this is Jacob. Okay, so the guys who actually operate like Jacob,

  319. okay, like Jacob in the sense of the giftedness of being, when I see apostolic team,

  320. they operate in one of these giftedness at least.

  321. Okay. And somehow the world has pushed the idea of, oh I am an apostle, I am a prophet.

  322. This has, these, all these things have become titles today. Apostles so and so, prophets so and so.

  323. Sorry, these are, actually these needs to be, if you really maintain it in the New Testament sense

  324. of it, it needs to be not titles but what functions.

  325. What do they do? Apostles and prophets, they lay the foundation.

  326. Apostles have a larger sense of the big picture of what God wants to do in a particular

  327. area or a region. They get the blueprints. They have an understanding of what God wants to do there.

  328. And they are the first to arrive. And if you take it in terms of architectural building plan

  329. types, the apostles are more like the architects. They have a big picture of how this,

  330. this, the church in this region, as how God is going to build the church in this region. They

  331. have a sense of it. And they come with that big picture in mind. The apostles and prophets

  332. together lay the foundations for that church. And the prophets are more like, they put the,

  333. they are more like the structural guys. In the construction industry, if you say they are more

  334. the structural guys, these are the foundations, these are the beams, these are the pillars that

  335. need to really be laid on. So the foundation and the structure part of it, these guys lay it down

  336. in a particular region. And then they inaugurate the church. They inaugurate the church by

  337. evangelizing. They bring the people in and they establish them in the teaching. They put the

  338. initial formats in place. They appoint elders. And then there are sometimes that we need the

  339. initial evangelists that bring in the people, the pastor teachers to establish the people.

  340. And this is how it's built initially. And after building it initially, they hand this over to

  341. elders and deacons who are more of the local church leadership.

  342. Apostolic leadership is going in, establishing it, handing it over so that this type of leaders

  343. move to another place and do the same thing all over again. Today the apostle is someone who can

  344. preach well and signs, wonders and miracles happen. Or he's an evangelist or he's prophetic.

  345. That's how we process them as individual titles and evangelists, so and so prophets, so and so

  346. apostles, so and so. That's not found in the New Testament. They move together as a team that

  347. actually evangelized, established and appointed elders. These are the three core function of the

  348. apostolic team, which means they were a team that actually operated in the five-fold giftedness.

  349. And some of them call it four-fold, some of them call it five-fold. I still believe that that's one

  350. set of things that we need to do as function in order that the church be inaugurated and

  351. church be handed over to local elders. Yes.

  352. Prophets, the prophets actually get the original structures in place for a particular location.

  353. So sometimes, so you have a big picture of what God is doing in that region. The prophets have

  354. insights into how the foundational teaching of the scriptures and in fact, in fact theologians,

  355. theologians in culture, theologians in culture, not theologians in the seminaries, but the

  356. theologians in culture of taking the word of God for that particular area, for that particular

  357. culture is actually very prophetic work. They need to receive insights from God and how do they

  358. structure for that structure to see the wind pressure that is in that place and spiritual

  359. atmosphere of that place. The prophetic, there needs to be a prophetic insight of what needs to

  360. be done first. What is the strength that is needed? Contextualize it and build those teaching

  361. structures in place. And so different from the understanding of prophetic and the gift of

  362. prophecy where you give foretelling issues. And there are times when Jacob operates in the

  363. prophecy foretelling of what God is going to do in your lives. That's more of an individual

  364. prophecy, but he operates in the prophetic of what God wants to do in the spiritual realms

  365. and dismantling certain things over regions. And so I have the experience of both operational in

  366. Jacob's life and you go to certain places over the nation where you got to go to certain places to

  367. dismantle certain powers of darkness and give a clarity on how this church needs to operate in.

  368. That's the true, to get a grasp of the New Testament prophets, that's the foundational

  369. piece that the prophetic needs to be doing in the apostolic team. The apostolic gets a big picture

  370. of what God wants to do. So this morning, this evening when I'm coming in, I'm more coming as

  371. an apostolic understanding of what God is going to do in and through Greater Vancouver on cooperating

  372. with Jacob on saying that let's build this around the Greater Vancouver area.

  373. Evangelists are truly not just confined to one church, only one local congregation, they are

  374. actually moving around for that entire place to be evangelized, not that the churches can't. So

  375. it's not like evangelists operate in one church, only one church. The gift of evangelism needs to be

  376. part of everyone else. The act of evangelism must be part of everyone. Evangelists are gifted people

  377. that God uses to bring people to the saving knowledge of Jesus so that the problems today's

  378. evangelists don't operate with churches. They operate as an organization separated from the

  379. church, which is not what the scriptures is talking about. They actually over a region,

  380. they are evangelizing and they are actually in networks with churches so that they can bring

  381. those who come to the saving knowledge of Jesus into the churches. Then I have a question.

  382. Is he a prophet? Yes. Is he an evangelist? Absolutely yes. Is he a pastor? Yes. So it could actually be just this one person that is actually functioning.

  383. So it's not a person. The greatest challenge in the 21st century Christianity is we confine

  384. the gift to a person. It's not the person, it's a function. Giftedness in order to accomplish a function

  385. and if someone else is not there, God is going to use you in all these things

  386. until someone is raising up. So when me and Jacob work together, I don't have to work prophetic at all

  387. because as we grow, there is a maturity in the giftedness that we are sharpened in certain giftedness over the other.

  388. There's clarity on the heaviness of prophetic over Jacob's life than any other giftedness.

  389. But that doesn't mean that he's not functioning apostolically as an apostle. He does in places that there's no other.

  390. When it comes into scenarios such as Chennai, he does not actually mess around with the role of an apostle.

  391. He fits into the role of being prophetic and so that's how it really begins. The dynamic begins to work

  392. because as more people with maturity of giftedness arise, I will move more heavily onto what God has gifted me in.

  393. And we mature into that over a period of time. So those people who just are arising and are calling

  394. themselves prophets or apostles, we need to ask them to lay low. Keep quiet. It's okay. Take your time.

  395. Over a period of time, people recognize you for your giftedness. You don't declare who you are.

  396. People recognize you for who you are.

  397. You're getting the idea of the apostolic theme. Apostolic theme is a gifted theme by Jesus

  398. to go about progression of the gospel, the planting, the establishing, the multiplication

  399. of churches and the appointment of elders. These are the roles of the apostolic team.

  400. The gifted leaders, not that the other leaders are not gifted, but these are gifted leaders

  401. for the progression of the gospel.

  402. Larger than a particular local.

  403. Local. These are gifted leaders. There are people who can't actually move

  404. beyond a certain place because it's so different. You've got to understand and experience this.

  405. What operates over the nation of India is so different from what operates over the nation

  406. of Canada. What operates in Greater Vancouver is different from what operates in Toronto.

  407. Some people are not given that sphere and some people are given that sphere. These are spheres

  408. decided not just by me or you. It's decided in the spiritual realms and by God.

  409. Sometimes we grow from sphere to sphere as we enlarge. Peter actually confined himself.

  410. Although he was given a larger sphere, Peter confined himself to Jews more.

  411. Paul did not have that limitation. He was able to operate amongst Jews, Gentiles, Kings, anyone.

  412. So there is something that is assigned by God. Number two, there is also a willingness to go

  413. that extra mile because those who are not willing to move can't. Apostolic needs strong stomachs

  414. in a sense like must be able to handle many things. Must be able to handle tiredness.

  415. There's some capabilities and abilities that is in those kinds of people that makes them adopt to

  416. different cultures within a few minutes. You need to be able to adopt to different cultures,

  417. different people. They are quite able to do that. This is a giftedness issue. There's some

  418. personality types attached to it. I believe. I don't have the whole gamut of it so I'm not teaching.

  419. I'm just exploring and understanding these things a little more every time as we start to move

  420. and understand the biblical understanding of what this apostolic theme is.

  421. They are gifted leaders for the progression of the gospel larger than a particular locale.

  422. They are people who evangelize, establish,

  423. appoint elders

  424. and multiply churches.

  425. They are gifted leaders for the progression of the gospel larger than a particular locale.

  426. And therefore apostolic leader is someone who is not just limited within

  427. greater Vancouver. Apostolic leader is a type of leader that's beyond that locale

  428. and he operates in a larger sphere.

  429. Is this okay?

  430. It was necessary. Yes, thanks.

  431. Yes.

  432. Old Testament. I think the old covenant. I think this was the plan of God right from beginning

  433. when he called Abraham and he said out of your family the whole nations of the world will be

  434. blessed and the heart of by which he gave them the promised land in a very strategic.

  435. You need to understand Israel and canon is a strategic location which is the centerpiece

  436. for the entire world. Even the location where Israel is placed

  437. as a people is at the midpoint of almost equidistant to all because it must be

  438. because the world is round I believe. But it's almost like that's the location and the locale

  439. that God chose for the people to be a kingdom of priests. That's the call. You are to be a kingdom

  440. or to be a kingdom of priests and a holy nation so that the gentiles would come to the light.

  441. So you see evidences of it when God is calling all the nations through the prophets.

  442. So you see that at one point of time the nation of Israel suddenly shifting their entire call

  443. into becoming like the nations of the world.

  444. It happens during Judge Samuel and God had appointed leaders amongst them. The judges were

  445. leaders amongst them but suddenly they wanted a king like the other nations and then when Saul is

  446. appointed as king with a lot of warning of how they will go and what will happen because they

  447. wanted it. They got granted it with an equal heavy weightage on how this is going to destroy the nation

  448. and their call. And so you see from Saul's appointment Israel behaves like a

  449. wealthy nation and has deviated from the kingdom of priests and therefore the movement

  450. begins from the kingdom of priests and the hesitation right from beginning for them to come

  451. and approach God on Mount Sinai. And so the people of Israel are not able to do that.

  452. On Mount Sinai and then the appointment of someone in between God and them which is the priesthood.

  453. You are supposed to be a royal priesthood but then you have included a priest. You are going

  454. to be a nation which is theocracy that means God is your king but you wanted a king.

  455. You are a group of people that is a family a tribe of tribes with elders amongst you

  456. but now you wanted a king to rule over you. And so Israel actually loses the plot all along

  457. and then Jesus comes into the scene and he shakes the entire thing up and says no that's not how

  458. it's for all the people. So God so loved the world that he gave us only be your son.

  459. And apostolic giftedness that come out of the kingly the priestly and the king the priest and

  460. the prophet was Jesus. It's been distributed amongst his church the community so that that

  461. which Christ did would continue to be done in and through the apostolic and will be maintained and

  462. held together by the elders and deacons in each of the local communities which is the same as families.

  463. So that same pattern of the world continues on except that now we have a greater and a better

  464. understanding because of the death burial and resurrection of that this dividing wall between

  465. Jews and Gentiles have been broken. It's not a clarity for God it's a clarity for us right from

  466. beginning God has hired us for the for the whole not for a few but why he does that he is first

  467. setting apart of people and so you got to understand and recognize Jews are of Abraham was Abraham was

  468. not a Jew. Abraham today we don't really salute Iraqis but we need to there's a if you really go

  469. to the roots of Abraham is an Iraqi not an Israelite and a Jew.

  470. So who are the chosen people Iraqis?

  471. Man I'm gonna be killed cut that out.

  472. My name is Jacob.

  473. That's what you do every time my name is that big.

  474. Are you getting it I think I think let's let's proceed on to tomorrow.

  475. This is a good time to stop and any any other questions it'll be good to clarify this part of it

  476. so that tomorrow we can launch deeper.

  477. So that's why we need to put on what is the

  478. the

  479. so what what's going to happen is that it's it's false.

  480. So then we see

  481. and that's what we can do.

  482. So

  483. Let's