Why God Pt. 3

Hey guys and welcome back to the podcast I am

again joined by my lovely wife Say hello to everybody.

We're going to jump back into Why God Part 3.

How she taught this in 30 to 40 minutes I'll

never know because we've had probably two -hour

conversation already and this I would guarantee

this is another hour conversation if it goes

based off how it typically goes but I'm going

to jump back into hopefully the final parts and

final pieces of your message of your teaching

and let's start I'll be honest I don't remember

where we ended up after the last one but I'm

reading through the notes and I think I'm about

right so let's start huh and let's start with

Thinking about why God you have in here about

when family and friends and really people in

general Let us down One I think we put too much

hope and That sounds bad to say but hope and

trust in people And we've kind of put And I know

we've said this plenty of times, we kind of put

leaders and pastors and stuff on pedestals as

if they're not human beings too and are subject

to the same things you and I face. And so there's

times they leave, they use you, and then unfortunately

even in ministry they use you and then they dump

you. And so you wrote in here, where's our fire

and passion and confidence? for the one who always

remains and When you really think about that

that goes straight back into why we would choose

God Because he chooses To remain No matter he's

the one that always even you know situations

in their lives where Something happened you get

in trouble when you're a kid what happens your

friends scatter because they don't want to get

in trouble, too You know in adulthood, maybe

you mess up. Maybe you do something You know

you lose friends that way they just don't want

to stick around for a healing process or You

know they were only in it to begin with to get

something out of You know what you could bring

to the table not necessarily a true relationship

and But we you know a lot of times we get more

upset Because they those people leave right and

we put our faith in our trust and our Hope our

confidence in these people and they break our

heart Yes, but we if you look at when we were

you know when you were friends or You would you

would fight to the death for those people you

know you would protect those people you would

do anything you could for them yes, and More

times than not do we really have that same? Concept

and do we have that same passion for God? When

even when those people who you thought or your

friends even family yeah that we He is the one

that remains, but yet We are more hurt By people

who leave us in reality If you look at it on

the flip side, we do the same thing to God. 100%,

yeah. And you know, when you talk like that,

sometimes I guess my question and my wonder is,

do we not know how to walk with people through

difficult situations? I don't think we honestly

do. I think partially because You're kind of

taught that it will it's like an unspoken teaching

That the mess is too messy You're not allowed

to be messy once you get saved You shouldn't

have messes Right But in all reality it's opposite.

It's like Sometimes we go we go to church and

that's supposed to be the place we can take the

mask off and Be your real self But we we put

the mask on when we go to church and to me to

me I guess we feel like we do it backwards We

take the mask off when we leave church and put

the mask on inch Because It shouldn't make any

sense, but then again it does because we've created

this culture in so many churches that if I If

I open up and become vulnerable to you, how many

people are you going to run entail? Or how many

social media platforms is my name going to be

drug through? Because I allowed myself to be

open and to be honest. And I think if you couple

that along with the world that we live in with

the phones and how everything is so instant a

healing process is not instant a Healing process

takes days weeks sometimes months sometimes a

year or two That I mean, I guess it just depends

on your walk with God how much you submit to

Holy Spirit his Lordship to walk you through

things But it's not a microwave process. I Mean

some some I feel like can try to make it become

that But if you don't actually allow Holy Spirit

in to walk you through some of this stuff You're

gonna be back in the same mess eventually It

becomes a vicious cycle Yeah, because nothing

ever gets truly addressed and healed in your

life. So you just keep putting on and taking

off the mask And nothing ever gets done about

it, when in reality the church is supposed to

be the people that can help you destroy the mask.

And destroy the shame that comes with it. Now,

the church doesn't destroy it. God does. They

should be there to walk alongside you. They should

realize how much they needed God so there shouldn't

be a physical Judgment on other people that need

it and sometimes I wonder and I could be completely

off base But sometimes I wonder if it's easier

To point the finger at you so to speak so you

don't see my miss. Oh, yeah And so let me make

everybody pay attention to your you and your

issues so they can't see mine and unfortunately

all it does is create walls 100 % yeah for people

and excuses for people not to want to have anything

to do with God because all those church people

man they they're just as bad as everybody else

actually you know Some people may look at it

and be You know, have you ever heard that the

saying, you know It's easier to talk to a stranger

about your problems than it is somebody, you

know Yes And it really is sometimes yes Because

oftentimes that stranger doesn't know you doesn't

know anything about you. So there's no judgment.

I even heard it It may have been when I was taking

classes at Liberty. I don't 100 % remember where

I heard it from but that it was easier for A

Christian for example to go to counseling to

not to a non -christian counselor Because they

didn't have anything removed all the basis and

stuff and actually talk to you like a human being

Yes, and At first, when I heard that, I'm like,

why would you do that? And then when I think

about it, just because of what we're exposed

to in even the church, and this is not to beat

up the church, but what we're exposed to in the

church room, it makes sense. Because you've got

some circles that everything's a demon, and that's

not the case. But you take this whole concept

of people leaving, people walking away during

difficult times, and we put that same, we cast

that same thing onto God as if He's going to

do that. And so to not get hurt, we walk away

first. And then God's left there. I think you

put it in your thing. You know God is often left

holding the bag for us. Yeah, we run to him when

things go wrong and then just leave him holding

the bag of all the messed up broken pieces Yeah,

and not that he's not glad to do it, but you

you look at our perspective You know if you have

siblings or even in your job at work If they

did something but you get the blame for it so

you're left holding this big mess And even though

you didn't do anything, you're the fall person.

Exactly. And a lot of times, that's how we leave

God. God comes to our rescue to pick up those

pieces. And then once we feel a little bit better

about it, because you know, God's got the pieces

now, we're just like, OK, God, I'll see you the

next time I run into you, or the next time I

need something, I'll let you know. Or when I'm

ready to put those pieces back together, I'll

be back. It's almost like we treat him like a

mechanic. Next time we break down, we'll bring

the car back. And we'll just keep going through

the cycle instead of actually walking with him

consistently and constantly. And I think that's

what a lot of people do. Well, kind of sidestepping,

but when you talk about people getting healed

and the healing process, I think we delay our

own healing process because that's what we do.

That's good. We give God the pieces, but yet

we're not quite ready for him to fix them. We

just want him to hold them so they're not quite

so heavy for us. And in the back of our minds,

we know, OK, God, I know you've got this. But

I'm not quite ready to put it all back together

yet because I'm still holding on to the hurt

part of it, OK? So I need some time. And the

fascinating thing is he does it. He does. Like,

he'll hold that bag for you as long and sit like

a good father and be like, OK, when you're ready

to come do this, we'll talk again. I mean, he

doesn't push you away. I mean, he's good. I don't

know how else to say that. Like, he's good. His

thoughts toward us are good. And he's not going

to do anything to hurt us. He's going to if you

need if you feel like you need and I guess I'd

look at it even with my own kids If you need

to go have that space and you do whatever you

feel like you need to do. That's fine. I'll be

right here I'll hold this bag and what You know,

I've even told some of our teenagers this that

you know, they've expressed that they've been

through some hard things I mean, let's face it

This generation that we have are dealing with

things that we did not have to do with growing

up And and you hear the question a lot from young

people of where was God when? All this mess was

happening with me and I've told some of our teenagers,

you know where he was It did you put your little

thing in there They're asked, you know, where

was God in the middle of all this? Why did he

leave me? And my answer to them is he he was

there with you When you hurt he hurt He doesn't

just this is how I picture it. He doesn't just

leave the bag and just Let you do your thing

and not have any concern about you I think he's

still like a good father would be if you need

your space from me, that's fine. But I'm still

going to be consistently watching you. Consistently

trying to defend you. Well, even when our kids

are learning new things, you know, they'll say,

let me try this on my own. Doesn't mean you leave

them there. It just means you're watching them.

It's just kind of step back. Yeah, the teaching

moment. It's a moment to see, OK, well, you see

if you can handle it. Yep, if you can if you're

ready for that, you know and then but in in the

end You're still standing right behind them waiting

If they need you you're right there And so like

I like how you ask Where is the deeper relationship

with the only one who stayed who protects and

loves us better than anyone else could I mean,

you just think about the concept of he knows

the number of hairs on our head. I mean, how

detailed that would be. I mean, you even think

just how detailed the human body is that he created

for the blood to flow through these certain amount

of veins. complex the body your heart pumps without

with what what does it what makes your heart

pump yeah I mean last I checked there's no double

-a batteries going in it's just fascinating of

the complexities that he instilled in us when

he created them and I even googled it one day

and I think it was like the number of hairs on

your head, the average person can have anywhere

from 90 ,000 to 150 ,000 hairs on their head.

And he knows when you lose one. I mean, and I

feel for you ladies in the shower, because there's

always hairs in the shower for some unknown reason.

And the fact that he knows when you lose each

one of those, or when my son Grads my beard and

I see a beard hair leave with his fingers He

knows when that leaves he knows how many I've

lost throughout the day But it's like I don't

I don't remember that night how far you got in

your notes because I don't care who's teaching

it never feels like we get through the notes

But you have written down our Are you ready to

go further with them and to find your why God

answered? Yeah, I think it's very important for

them to know that at this age because I don't

think I could honestly say that I knew that at

that age that they were. And, you know, I know

we've said it to each other. We want them to

go so much further, sooner than what we did.

And I think that's any good leader, good parent

That's what they want. There's times I feel like

people, and I'll just use me as an example, there's

times I feel like people think that I'm disrespectful

to the church or whatever because I disagree

with a lot of things happening and said in churches,

most churches now. And it's not that I'm trying

to say anything negative because I honor how

far they got us. and they got us so far and then

passed the shovel and now we keep digging and

we keep plowing. Well I think you also have to

take into account now versus back then you didn't

have a bunch of disgruntled people that would

leave a church and then go start their own. Oh

that's true too yes. So I think you also have

to take into account People who have started

churches that were never called to start churches

that too. Yeah, and when you're not called to

something you're probably not Let's just say

doing it to the best of the kingdom's ability.

Yeah I mean look at how many churches there are

on one city block. It's just I mean They're everywhere.

Well, not just that, but you take the small city

where our church is at, and where me and our

pastor took and counted how many churches, and

we probably missed some that you could get to

in five minutes. And I know, if I had to think

back, there's at least 20 churches. But here's

my question, is you have that many churches,

but what is the church doing for the community?

Because you don't see an impact there And I okay,

let's take it a step further this we're recording

this on June 16th We just had no Kings Day on

the 14th. We've been having all these writing

and protesting If I'm going here, so it'd be

fun You can turn the podcast off if you don't

like what I say. That's totally fine. You're

prerogative. But here's my issue is all these

things are happening across the nation. But where

are the churches in these moments rising up and

loving the people and getting involved in the

communities that help some of this? It's like

we just shut ourselves in and we're waiting for

a rapture to take place. Right. I also feel like

you can't expect the church to create unity in

their community when there's no unity in the

church? Well, I didn't say that. That was my

wife. I'll let her drop that mic. Not literally.

Please don't drop the mic. Well, I mean, it's

true. But that's very true. I mean, you've got,

OK, and not to just joke, because I know there's

so many different denominations out there. while

each of them you know have all of their point

and to the heart of it most of them are the same

at the root at the root but you get so caught

up in the how to do it or how you do this how

you do that that there's no you you can't even

have a Like this does okay my question here.

Let me let me just say this does Did the churches

look like heaven? Well if you okay, so because

are there denominations and well, that's what

I was gonna say is denomination and that to me

starts in division That's how and based off what

I'm understanding is that's how denomination

started was We disagreed on this and this so

I'm gonna go start my own denomination over here,

and you stay over here with yours It used to

be that you could disagree on something yes talk

about it agree to disagree Yeah, and you could

still be friends you could still move on you

could still do life together Didn't matter because

you you know the other person's heart you know

where they're coming from now oh no no no if

you offend me like you're just written on blocks

deleted from life you no longer matter because

your belief system is different I mean doesn't

matter if you believe that you should raise your

hand during praise and worship or if you should

keep it down by your side oh if there's a disagreement

you know you're cut off and that's not how it

should be at all It's either that or people coming

at you and trying to tell you why you're wrong

instead of listening. Yeah. Trying to see it

from the other person's perspective. And I was

working on one of the e -courses that I have

to work on. I'm working on a six -week e -course

on conflict. I'm just on week one and I was working

on that some this afternoon and It's even This

is this is where I think we are in the church

kind of bounce off what you just said I Think

we hear people But we don't listen We listen

to reply that's good instead of listening to

understand And I wonder if I can pull it up,

because I want to read one of the things that

I wrote down regarding that. Because ultimately,

I mean, we're in this together. We're not here

to fight each other. Exactly. But it said this.

Here's one point. We all talk to each other,

but we fail to listen to one another. And so

I looked up the difference between hearing and

listening. And while they're related words, obviously,

hearing is more of a physiological act of perceiving

sound, while listening is the conscious, active

process of interpreting and understanding what

is heard. So I think like what... What you said,

I think we hear each other, but I think we listen

to respond instead of listening to the other

person's heart and listening to what they're

saying. And there's a difference. Because sometimes

I think I have the anointing to offend people.

And it's just I don't think people hear my heart

and things. Sometimes when you're passionate

about something, your tone comes off different.

But there's just because you're passionate about

it. There's no need to bring anger into a conversation

about something where we're all trying to get

to go together. Yes. I mean, I'm sure, 100 %

sure, nobody has all the answers. 100%. It's

like I said in my last devotional, I think I

even wrote in the front that I was not really

concerned about being right or wrong. I just

want people to go on a journey. I want people,

having grown up in church, I think we have this

mentality, I don't know how we got here, we're

on this rabbit trail, so just roll with it. I

think growing up in church we've made it, and

we may have talked about this in some of the

other podcasts, but that we put pastors on the

pedestal, and we have this belief that they need

to hear God for us. instead of us hearing God

for ourselves. One of the things I want for our

teenagers and our kids is I don't need you to

need me to hear God for you. They don't need

to be reliant on you or us because of the fact

we can't go everywhere with them to hand hold

them. They have to be at some point strong enough

in their belief, in their experience with God

themselves, their own relationship. That's what

brings you the confidence and the boldness when

you can describe that yourself, when you have

that experience and relationship with Him for

yourself. You can't get through life running

on someone else's relationship with God. You

know, that's another reason, even while Wednesday

night, so when we have youth services, if I can

get another teenager to help pray for somebody,

I'm going to. Either that, or yourself, or some

of the other leaders, because I never want them

to look at me and say that I'm the man of God

for the hour and it needs to be me to do something.

I don't need that. We all carry the same spirit

in us. And anymore, we can't always go into their

schools. Exactly. They need to have the confidence

and be equipped enough to do this themselves.

Yeah. And again, all this ties back into what

you were talking about. This is why you need

your own relationship. And I think basically

what I was getting at is A lot of teenagers,

a lot of people in general these days, they're

basing their relationship off of the teachings

they hear on Sundays and Wednesdays. But there's

no relationship outside of the Bible stories

that they read about. Exactly. That's all well

and good that you know all of the Bible stories

from when you were five, six years old and on

up, and you can quote the stories, you can quote

facts about it, but that's great. You know the

Bible, but do you know God? Do you know Jesus

personally? Even the stories that we read and

were taught, if we don't go back and read them

ourselves, we're missing a lot of context and

a lot of stuff that wasn't taught on. Yeah, and

I also, you know, when you think about it, And

I know we've talked about it before, but this

is why you can never judge someone by a different

viewpoint. Exactly. Because every time you read

the Bible, you can read the same scripture, just

one verse. You could read it today, and then

maybe a couple years you could come back, read

that same exact verse, and take away something

else. Totally different from that same verse

because you've grown in your own relationship

with God and he reveals another mystery to you

he reveals another Another Viewpoint yes based

on what you've been through what he can trust

you with what he what he You know, he says seek

me. Yeah, sometimes all he wants is effort. Yeah,

and if you're not putting forth effort It would

be like the guy who buried his treasure Why would

he give you more if you don't do anything with

what he's given you to begin with so true? and

You said something it made me it made me think

and was reminded Because we do have different

lens and stuff and different that's why Sometimes

you have to help me with some of this, but sometimes

when I hear certain things I have to remember

where this person came from and I can remember

several years ago being in a church and the minister

was the pastor was preaching there and I remember

having a conversation with God because the stuff

that he was preaching I have the Holy Spirit

began to teach me something different and so

I had the conversation I said I said I don't

understand I said, I know what you've taught

me. And I said, this goes against kind of what

you've taught me. And again, and I feel like

I need to say this in life, I don't mean anything

in dishonor or disrespect. And I hope people

that know me know that. But I had grown past

what this was. This is just stuff that... And

having been one that preaches, I think sometimes

we can just regurgitate information and never

really dive deep into it and speak on things

that were really and truly ignorant of. And hold

your thought, because let me finish mine. But

when I had that was having a conversation, he

said, son, it's just a different lens. And I

was like, excuse me? And he reminded me of the

glasses that we had as kids. where you could

put them on and then everything was red or green

or whatever that's what you saw and I even did

it um at our the church we're at now I taught

it one night and brought the glasses with me

and I had different people put on different glasses

and I held up a towel that was one color but

everybody else that had glasses on saw it as

a different color right was they wrong no no

it was just their lens and until They're willing,

and I think it has, we have to be willing as

sons and daughters to do this. We have to be

willing to allow Holy Spirit to adjust those

limbs. They will keep that same viewpoint. That's

why you need to learn to lose your critical perspective.

Yes. That's why, again, when I wrote in the book,

I don't really care. It's 30 days. I hope to

make it 90, but it's 30 days currently. And I

know it will mess with people. It's not going

to be for the faint of heart. And this is not

a book plug, but it's relative to what we're

talking about. It's not for the faint of heart,

because a lot of the stuff I wrote in this one

was challenging for me to get. And then to write

it and to... give a different perspective it's

more to make people think to go study for yourself

and I even put in the book I don't expect anyone

to take that book and read it in 30 days I hope

it takes all year or 30 years to read the book

I just want people to go on the journey and quit

worrying about if I'm right or wrong on this

particular belief And just go for a walk. You

have your own journey that Yahweh wants to have

with you. Just like Adam and Eve. He wants to

take you on a journey. Exactly. I think we get

so caught up to it has to be right or wrong doctrine.

And I personally, and I could be wrong here,

but I personally believe That is not what it's

about. I don't believe it is about right and

wrong. When it comes to that. I think he just

wants people to go on a walk with him. And if

it's wrong, then he will teach you so. And here's

the truth. It goes back to what you just said.

You may find it to be right for you now. And

a year down the road, it may become wrong to

you. Because he takes you to another deeper level.

Does that make sense? It does, because that was

kind of what I was going to say earlier. Pastors,

they have such a hard job in general. Yes, people

put way too much pressure. But you also look

at it as they have, on Sunday mornings, they

have to prepare a sermon that's going to teach

and encourage not only seasoned Christians or

seasoned spiritual people, you know, seasoned

in the faith. I'm trying to find the words. You

know, seasoned in their walk, but they also have

to have the same thing, be able to be, to make

sense to new believers and people who may not

even believe. So I think that's one of the hardest

things you have to look at is because, you know,

they may give you a verse and say it at face

value and teach on it at face value for what

the verse is biblically. But once you get into

your alone time, in your private time with God,

God reveals more of what it actually means. There's

more to it than just base value. And that's to

anything in life. Which is why if that's your

only substance that you're feeding, it's like

Paul says, I wanted to feed you meat, but you

still need milk. And you can't go and expect

the pastor to lay hands on you or pray for you,

and you get a spiritual download from the pastor

to where you're going to know. It just doesn't

work that way. You have to have that encounter

and that experience and relationship for yourself.

And it's also to add to that, to help out pastors.

And I think I may have said this at our church

before. Their goal is, I guess it goes back,

I think we put too much on pastors because we

expect pastors to do it all. That's what they're

called to do, right? Thank you. But really, if

you go back and read the scripture, they're there

for the equipping of the saints to allow the

saints to do the work of the ministry. We think

we just get to go and be a part of it, and our

job's done. Because pastors are everywhere, and

so everybody should hear the gospel, right? Yep.

to detour back to the why God. I think about

what you taught and then I think about the past

couple Wednesdays where I know we had the one

week we taught on worship. But both the Wednesdays

after that I felt God speak to me about specific

things that He wanted to do that night for the

teenagers to break. And it goes back to something

I even have told our teenagers that anytime God

reveals something to me when I'm ministering,

I know He's intending on healing it. And when

you grab hold of that, that He cares enough to

Because it's not and anybody who listening to

this as there have been this position knows it's

not comfortable Getting up in front of a group

and you don't have any notes For what needs to

happen that you are fully reliant on Holy Spirit,

which I know you've told me before that that's

a lot of times my best messages But that is so

out of the comfort zone But it shouldn't be.

It really shouldn't be. It should be like second

nature. It should be second nature. And I'm honored

in those moments. And I just have to rely and

flow with however he gives it to me. And again,

I can't be worried about whether I'm right or

wrong. I just have to be obedient. I have to

be obedient when I walk away that night. know

and believe I did everything I felt like I was

supposed to do and trust the results of the God.

Yeah. You can remind me of that later. You can't

dwell on if you, I mean, of course, you know,

that was going to come back in and say, Oh, you

didn't really hear that's when he plays mind

games. Yeah. But you know what you heard, but

you, you, you take that and to know that God

would mess up. I'm just using me as an example.

It could happen to anybody that he would be willing

to mess me up in a way to Break something specifically

as far as change your mind Yes That he would

do all that to speak to if it's even just one

teenager to break something off of them That

should be, in my personal opinion, that should

be enough for one to say, wow, that is why God.

For one person. Or, you know, three teenagers.

Just to know that he's concerned Yes, he's concerned

by the multitudes or About the multitudes, but

the concern he shows for just one That's like

all day today I had Not all days, I'd be alive,

but most of the day at work I had this song going

repeat. You're worthy of it all. Because that's

the truth. All this ties into that topic of why

God, like this is why God for me, this is why

He's worthy of it all to me. Because to understand

and have the personal, you have to know and believe

that yes, He's Creator, yes, He's God of everything,

but He is so involved in just me and just you.

He is so intimately and wants to be so intimately

involved in our relationship that I can say I'm

God's favorite. And that's what he wants for

every single one of us. For anyone listening,

he wants for you to be able to say that you're

God's favorite. It's just like our kids. Sun's

not old enough to know anything right now, but

there's times I whisper to both my girls And

I tell them that they're my favorite and both

of them believe That they're my favorite and

it depends on what day it is as to which one

is right Anyhow that was the political answer

right there But that's I mean I don't You know

But if something just reminded me he won't Yeah,

even though he already knows the end Yeah He

already knows what you're gonna say what you're

gonna do and yet it just It's like my mind can't

even comprehend that He still gives you the freedom

to say no and yet still pursue Yeah, whether

you Choose or deny? It's like last Wednesday

when I brought the prodigal Which the story is

more about the father than the son, but when

the son comes back He's been wallowing in a pig

pen We don't know did he take a bath. I don't

know and remembers first of all he remembers

he had a place to go back to and His goal when

he come back home was I can just be a servant.

And I'll eat better than this, that's for sure.

Because I remember the goodness of my father.

But I'm no longer worried that he'd be called

a son. And he's rehearsing this speech all the

way home. And from my study and what I understand

from the story, that culture, the dad could have...

He yelled for the elders and had him stomp. For

wasting it all and being disobedient and all

this. But his father was watching for him. And

when he sees his son come and he takes off running,

which goes against that culture of that day.

Goes and runs to that son and embraces him. And

while the son's trying to do His speech about

why He's no longer worthy. The Father doesn't

want to hear about it. He doesn't care about

what He wasted. Why? Because He has plenty more

to give. So what you wasted it? I got more. I

figured you would when I gave it to you. That

just hit me. I mean... And then starts calling.

He says, bring me the ring and the robe. We don't

have time to get into all that. And of course,

we know the story about the brother gets upset

and offended by all this thing. But the goodness,

because he remembered the goodness of his father.

And though he counted himself out when he makes

it to his dad. There's this embrace and I'm sure

the status kissing him all over the face Because

his son has returned Calling for the ring and

the robe because my son who was dead is now alive

He's all about the one he's all about the intimate

wall The woman at the whale. He goes to a city

to sit at a whale. This is Jesus we're talking

about. And he does all that just to encounter

one woman. Somebody that he should have never

been seen with. Yeah. And it's countless stories

in the Gospel, whether it's the one woman. at

the well, or the one man who's naked in the graveyard,

or the one son as the prodigal, the one leper

that he touches that he should never put his

hands on. It's all about the one. And if we grab

hold of that, it's why he's worthy of it all.

It goes back to the story I told, I think, two

Wednesdays ago about the woman who broke the

box. And they were complaining how much she wasted.

And they were right of the value of the perfume,

but they was not right about the value of the

one she was pouring it on. They just saw the

perfume for what it was worth, but didn't take

into account who it was being poured on. What

was on the inside of them. And I think it messes

with me because I know what it is to be that

one. The one that people could say he wasted

it all on him. And yet in return, my response

is, I'll waste it all back to him. I don't know

if that even made sense. He wasted all on us,

and only asked for us to waste it all back to

him. to have kind of this back and forth thing

that he gives us all and then we give him all.

we bring you this commercial break I have to

really focus and I used to never be like this

but I really have to focus not to let the tears

come when I start talking like this that used

to not be like me but you know that is one of

the things where you're looking that up That's

one of the things I've prayed for is let me Let

me cry again, let me find my tears again and

to be tender -hearted like Jesus And there's

a pre -course in there and it says we give you

access to our hearts and you give us access to

all you are That's all he asked for and so in

return all he asked for is our heart But what

he what he puts inside of us You know is all

he is so that in return we give that back to

him because all he's asking for is our heart

So much truth to that I'm trying to think. We've

been going at least 45 minutes. I'm trying to

think how to end this. To me, that just goes

back to what we opened this up with. He wants

access. We're so afraid of people leaving us

when they find out our mess. So afraid of people

leaving us if they find out I don't believe like

you That if I let you see the real me How much

am I going to get condemned and judge But yet

that's exactly what he wants and as I think about

what you read. I don't even know that he's satisfied

if he doesn't get it off. I think he so wants

the broken pieces just so he can put it back

together right. I think he so wants us to understand

and realize that we belong on the potter's wheel

and that even time anytime we get a crack in

the in our clay he knows how to fix it back if

we will just stay on the wheel Yeah To where

he can just kind of nudge and you know shape

you I mean why why wouldn't we want to give him

back with everything he has done for us and Why

not run to the one when when you're afraid of

everyone else leaving? Why not run to the one?

That even in your mess he stayed but not only

that He stayed and he was there before you even

made the mess and already knew the mess you were

gonna make But yet his love never changes never

changes He holds us you know you're taught a

lot a lot of times throughout life if it's too

good to be true Probably not that goes out the

window when it comes except for God Cuz I don't

think we understand how good he is It's like

it can't be one of the things that I say is he's

better than we believed him to be. Jason Clark

on Rethinking God with Tacos likes to say he

wants to have a better thought about God tomorrow

than he did today. I don't know that we'll ever

know, even if you live to be 120 and you did

that all your life, you still would never tap

into how good he actually is. Well, you think

in that picture of the throne room of God where

the creatures are surrounding him and the angels

crying, holy, holy, holy. Look how long they've

been doing that. And do it for all eternity.

For all eternity. But you don't get tired of

it because that is as unfathomable as it is in

our human mind there it'll all make sense because

he's got so many intricate so many complexities

to his being that our human minds can't fathom

what that's even like Don't know if I have words

on how to close this out I Mean yeah, I was gonna

say that'd be a whole nother podcast two or three

of them What I did with our youth is I told them,

I said, a good place to start is to make a list

of everything you're grateful for. And then if

you branch off of that as to why you're grateful

for it, your why will soon reveal itself for

sure. I 100 % agree. Because I don't care how

messed up your life is, there's something. that

you can find to be grateful for in it. Yeah.

Why don't you pray for the people like you did

the first time? I think that would be a good

way since we're closing out your little teaching

here, technically. All right, Father God, we

thank you for everyone listening, God. We thank

you for you. We just. Thank you for who you are.

I thank you for who you are in my life. God,

we ask that this podcast would touch those that

you would have or that need to hear this. God,

we ask that you would just bless those listening.

Help them with whatever they are searching for

in you. That maybe we could be a light to somebody.

that has questions. God, we speak life over everyone.

We speak healing over everyone. And God, I just

pray that whoever is listening would find their

why, God. Find their why moment of and that would

bring them closer to you. That's our ultimate

goal is that whatever we say or whatever we may

discuss that it would just make people think

and ultimately bring them closer to you. Not

that we have all the answers, but God that maybe

it may allow someone to think it's okay to question

things or to think a little differently. or to

even just have permission to to find you on their

own in their own quiet time because we know that

the Holy Spirit that you are the best teacher

God I pray blessings over everyone and may you

i'm trying to be obedient i'm trying to listen

to make sure i'm done god i pray that that you

would just touch whoever needs a healing that

someone out there is experiencing hurt and they

just can't seem to let it go and they They can't

seem to quite trust you with everything just

yet. But God, we know that you are a healer,

the ultimate healer, and that they can't get

it from anything or anybody else. And I pray

that that person hears this and that you would

just wrap your arms around them and that they

would feel the most love they have ever felt.

God, I just beat blessings over them in Jesus.

Amen All right guys, I thank you for hanging

out with us if you've made it this far We got

about two more. I probably got about two more

episodes in me And then I want to take a break

through July and August to start revamping and

then bring out season two will start in the month

of September Probably the first week of September,

we'll start rolling out new episodes for season

two. But I'm going to take July and August to

kind of revamp and have some conversation with

some other people and try to bring something

new. And this has definitely been a learning

experience for me. I'm grateful for the opportunity

and the leading of the Holy Spirit and just trying

to do whatever He allows me to do and pushes

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I can say that It's called Echoes of Eden and

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