Naming the House: Why This Podcast Is Becoming Kingdom Family

If you've been listening for a while, you may

know this podcast has had a few names. It started

with Metanoia Ministries, a call to rethink everything.

Then it became Echoes of Eden, rediscovering

the original design of humanity. But over time,

something became clear. The heartbeat behind

all of this is family, the family of God. the

restoration of sons and daughters. And that's

why everything is now moving under one banner,

Kingdom Family Ministries. Hey guys, this will

be a different type of episode. If you're on

YouTube, there won't be no video this week. There's

just going to be audio. but I am joined by my

wife this week. You can say hello to everybody.

So this episode will be a little bit different,

not with teaching, not doing Greek words and

all that kind of stuff. But if you've been with

me from the beginning, you know this podcast,

we started it with Metanoi Ministries and then

we shifted into Echoes of Eden. And today, we're

now stepping into, I guess, stepping fully into

the new name, Kingdom Family Ministries. It just

feels like the right time. But I wanted to share,

and that's why I had my wife join me, I wanted

to share some of our journey and how we got to

this point. and we're not just changing names.

I'm not just changing names to change names.

This just feels right, I guess I could say. Betanoia

was about awakening. It's a renewing of the mind,

a turning toward truth. It was about realizing

that repentance is not shame. It's not, I'm sorry,

it's restoration. It's remembering. who you are,

that you're remembering whose you are. Echoes

of Eden was about remembering, remembering where

we came from, who we were before the fear and

distortion, before religion tried to define us.

It was about going back to the beginning, essentially.

That was my real... I have two devotionals out.

I have the one more geared toward men. But then

I have my 30 day echoes of Eden. And that was

in a time frame where, and you can step in any

time you want to. That was a time frame of when

I was really jealous and going after, I guess

our origin. is what I want to say going back

to the beginning how it was supposed to be in

the garden and both of those names still matter

I'm not discarding nothing nothing's being undone

we're just in a point and I'm just in a point

of where I'm trying to make everything simple

and put everything under one heading and given

where life has led us I feel like that time is

or that name is kingdom family ministries Anything

you wanna add over there before I keep going?

I think that the Echoes of Eden was more of like

a renewal period for you or for us, I guess I

would say, but just trying to go back to the

very beginning, foundationally. That makes sense.

So in this episode I really want to share our

story and what the future looks like as far as

the podcast and transitioning over. We have launched,

I've launched a YouTube channel. We just finished

up eight weeks of teaching on the revelation

of Christ and all. That was a big passion I guess

of mine and did get me into some trouble. But

it's something I can't I mean you've you've watched

me kind of work this stuff out. It's something

I can't I Guess unsee is the word You know, we've

had the conversation plenty of times it would

be easier to go back For me it would be easier

to go back and teach how I used to teach which

I guess part of that would be more of behavior

modification type deals. Try to get a bunch of

people just to fix your behavior and do better,

you suck. That kind of thought versus what I'm

teaching now is more rooted in identity and love

and acceptance and the fact that the truth is,

and to me, the gospel is, it is. Christ in all.

And there's no reservations when I say that,

like the Muslim, the homosexual, the member of

the LGBT, the murderer, the rapist, all that,

you name it, Christ is in all. They just may

not be aware of this yet. So that was my first

eight -week series for the YouTube kind of the

relaunch of this podcast And the more and more

life just kind of unfolded I felt like it was

the right time to switch everything and I hate

switching Things because it feels like you're

unclear, but I really feel like this was a path

that led to this moment I Mean do you agree disagree?

She has a softer voice than I do Think I'm just

loud So we're just gonna go through some of our

story And then we'll just see where it takes

us and that way people can help kind of understand

how we got to this point We're just going through

some of our history I guess and So we got married

at what 21 22 a long time ago, it feels like.

I'm four years away from 40 now, hush. 21, 22,

and essentially right out the gate, we stepped

into youth ministry. And I'm just going to stick

to kind of more of the facts that led us to where

we are here. There's a lot of stuff we could

talk about and address, and we may do that later.

But being with that first group that we had,

which was an amazing group, I still remember

all of them. But we got the opportunity. And

I forget what year it was. I guess if we got

married in 2008, maybe it was 2009, 2010. I don't

remember when we went. But we had the opportunity,

the pastor, we had the time. And let me back

up before I go into all this. This is going to

be my rabbit hole moment. I grew up in a divorced

home. which you did too. We both grew up in church.

You grew up Westland, but went to a Baptist Christian

school. That was a fun time. I grew up in a joint

custody home. When I was with dad, we went to

different Baptist churches. uh the last one i

can remember was an independent baptist and i

don't know what all the baptists are as far as

independent and i don't know what the difference

are um but with him we went to a baptist church

with mom we was at a non -denominational church

and the one thing i can say is although especially

now um i disagree with some of the theology And

I know I've said this on an earlier podcast,

but just because I disagree with the theology

does not mean I dislike the people and I'm attacking

the people because they were good people. I have

no doubt they love people. They love God. These

were good hearted people. So I just say that

because I don't want people to constantly think

that I'm attacking The pastors the leaders and

stuff like that that I've had in my life. It's

just The mindset and the thought processes and

I'm not saying I'm 100 % right So there's that

Trying to think of how real and transparent I

want this to be Divorced home that was at seven.

I was seven years old When my mom and dad divorced

so most of my childhood and was grown up in separate

homes Kind of learning Kind of learning essentially

how to play both sides Trying to please both

mom and dad for a long time so there's that um

you know that was some abuse and trauma growing

up you know i feel like that's most of us in

this world because we all are human and not every

parent gets it right even when they do the best

they can not every parent and i'm speaking as

a dad we don't always get it right um you're

just gonna You are At least I have evidence she

does agree with me on some things But that was

just kind of my life growing up I know you that

you had a divorced Mom and dad to you and grew

up in church. So both of us grew up in church

So we got married I Knew we would be in church

And I always felt a call to youth ministry. So

anyhow, fast forward now. That's kind of some

of my back story from my childhood. 2009, 2010,

we had the opportunity with our pastors then

and some of the leadership team to go to Ron

Carpenter Church in South Carolina. Where was

it? I don't remember where, what. Anyhow, his

name was, the church's name, Ron Carpenter, is

it redemption? Was that the name of the church?

Redemption Church? Ron Carpenter? I think so.

Think so? It used to be what John Gray's church

is now, isn't it? Yeah, but he's changed the

name of it, so I don't remember. So we had the

opportunity to go there and All the our pastor

leadership team and all of them went to the I

think the actual service and they got some behind

-the -scenes look at stuff Me and you went to

the youth service Did not know at the time that

there was a guest speaker To my knowledge. I

don't remember having that information beforehand

But Damon Thompson just happened to be the guest

speaker that night and i can remember i don't

remember his name but i remember meeting the

youth leader i guess and if it's the guy was

remembering right he was a big tall black pokey

guy like not someone i'd want to play with um

but i can remember i even have the notes i think

from the message they administered on the last

that night and it was uh is what he was ministering

on. And I don't think I ever really paid attention

to recently reflecting back on being in that

room. They had a huge room for their teenagers.

Probably about the size of a gymnasium. If not

bigger, partly. But he had a, Damon had a hat

on, and I just, I knew something was different

about him. I probably looked him up afterwards

and realized he had connections with the ramp

at one point, you know, all this. But then walking

through some of that, that was then, ended up

a couple years later, the church doors closed.

We went through another season of being was it

called interim pastors And we struggled I struggled

Just with trusting certain aspects of church

in that moment Again good -hearted people But

that season may have lasted, what, six months?

But I did get the opportunity. We dedicated Kaylyn,

our first daughter, and first child. We dedicated

her during that time period. So I don't regret

it. I don't think I regret any of these seasons.

Fast forward after that we was at a church again

because we ended up grabbing our stuff and we

parted ways and then fast forward what three

six months later probably six months we had a

former pastor invite us to a church and having

dealt with some stuff before I was dead set against

it. And you came out of the shower and said,

I think we need to go to this church. And we

did. First service there, God called us out.

Fast forward a little bit from that point, we

went back into youth ministry. I remember the

pastor there approaching us and asking us to

pray about it. And I told him I didn't need to

pray about it because we'd already talked about

it. Again, I felt like this was the gift and

a call that's been on our life. my wife, our

family. I think it's how we got to where we are

today. So, went from there, went through some

different seasons with churches and ministry

to before our last adventure. But we also had

some hiccups in our marriage along the way. thanks

to me. I definitely had some of my struggles

involving or the word be I'm looking for infidelity.

Would that be how you would define that? And

I think a lot of it is looking back is I was

not healed I knew how to play the system Church

has taught me how to wear a mask And being in

the church world and divorced home You learn

how to hide things And I did that. I did that

to you. I did that to our family. Not once, but

twice. Second time dealing with some major grief

on top of it and never having experienced that.

I think I'm somebody that can tell people now

that even grief can take you on a dark road if

you're not careful. But it's one of those things.

It's one of those things I question nowadays.

Do I regret the journey? I regret hurting people

along the way. But I think it's helped make me

who I am today. And help us have the marriage

and the family that we have today. a marriage

that I've dreamed for. I mean, even the relationship

with my children. It's still not perfect, but

it's better. Could you attest to that? Do you

have anything you want to add? Because you're

very quiet over there. I know your voice is kind

of out there, but. Not right now? You don't want

to share nothing? I'm sorry for all my listeners.

I was trying to get her more engaged in this,

but she's just listening to me ramble. Who wants

to do some hard seasons? Seasons that in some

marriages wouldn't have lasted. And the last

one, and I know I've told you this before, I've

even mentioned this on when I've taught. But

even the last one, when I lost myself, you never

lost sight of me. And it was in that moment,

I know we've talked about before, because you

didn't know how to handle it, but I would think

it was in that moment, I know it was in that

moment that I actually saw the love of the Father

through you. Because when I did everything to

push you away and do just that the other You

still saw me for who I actually was Which I know

could not have been easy But you did And I would

like to think that may have started some of this

in my head I did get through this time period.

I did go to Liberty University, graduated with

a bachelor's. I'm not sure what for because I

haven't used any of that yet in my life. It's

just put me in debt. Trying to cover a lot of

bases because I feel like this journey has been

important to get us to where we are now. Because

obviously everything that I'm doing today everything

we're doing I'm doing is new like I Didn't have

any idea how to do a podcast I've never launched

a YouTube channel I'm working on my e -course.

Hopefully with me having some time off this week.

Maybe I can finish up those Classes and try to

figure out how to then post it The first one

will be to help men who are in a position where

I was in. But I've never done this stuff. Everything's

new, like it's all new. Even what we're doing,

which I'll get to that story in a minute. Just

everything's new. It's new, but it feels... It's

new, but it feels right. Like I don't know how

else to explain it, but to say that. But going

through some challenging seasons and seeing things

in a different light once I started on my journey

of healing, which was probably what, 2022? Is

that right? 2022, 2023? I think at that point

I realized, because this is the second time we

went to this type of thing, I finally realized

I couldn't do this on my own. And so I talk about

today just getting people to show up for the

walk and go on the journey because that's what

changed my life. I couldn't change me. I can't

change me. But even walking about walking through

our healing process You saw the changes in me

before I did You saw the changes in our How can

I say my children saw the changes before I did

and you would even tell me that comments that

were made by the kids That showed that something

in me has changed even if I couldn't see it Kind

of like being downstairs with Trinity and she

looked at me and said why are you in a good mood?

Nothing like a child to make you think But that

spoke to me because she realized that he was

in a good mood So we started the pipe I started

the podcast with your push I say I in some of

this because I'm doing most of it, but I couldn't

do it without my wife. I couldn't do it without

you. No, I could not. It's knowing that I have

your support and your backing and you're one

everybody else seems to not believe. You actually

do believe in me and push me to keep going because

there's times we have felt alone. throughout

this journey, especially recently. And I'll get

to that in a minute. So we started, I started

the podcast with Metanoia Ministries. And again,

Metanoia just being renewing of the mind. It's

our word that we have in the scripture, repent,

which I have a different understanding of now.

It should never been translated, repent. But

it's a turning toward truth. It's a way I like

to explain it. It's just coming back to your

original design. So that was the first launch

when I first started the podcast. It was Metanoi

Ministries. And that felt right at the time.

And then we went through. I think you're right.

I think the echoes of Eden, how'd you put it

earlier? Renewal for me, renewal for us, renewal

for our family. I think that transition, during

the time, I didn't look to have necessarily ministries

attached to what we were doing. We were involved

in ministry. But all I felt like it was just

the all I had at that moment was a podcast Because

we were doing things with our church at the time

being involved in youth ministry and all that

kind of stuff still So I transitioned to Echoes

of Eden which again an important shift an important

name remembering where we came from Remembering

who we were as sons and daughters Yeah, and so

that brings us to the last Few months that we've

had And how we got to the kingdom family ministry,

so I guess it was first knock remember was the

first Saturday in November where we had a meeting

with our pastors at the time. And because of

certain beliefs that I held, we were asked to

step down from ministry. They didn't ask us to

leave the church, but why would we stay? That

was kind of our thought process. What was the

purpose? And again, this is nothing toward the

people. nothing toward the pastors we had at

the time, nothing against anybody. But, you know,

I reference the Holy Spirit as she at times.

I'm not really jealous for either term, but that's

another topic for another day. So that was an

issue, and then believing that Christ was in

all was an issue. and we knew it was coming we

knew that just by how how we were being treated

by certain people which I like how Martin Casto

put it when we went up there to hear him that

sometimes the people who mistreat you they're

only mistreating you because they're ignorant

they don't understand so not the same as stupid

I'm not calling anybody that. I'm not calling

anybody what? Ignorant. Ignorant is not a bad

thing. Ignorant just means you don't know. Yeah,

I think a lot of people take it. They take it

as you're being called stupid, and that's not.

Calling someone stupid is offensive, but ignorant

is not an offensive word. It just means you don't

understand. I'm ignorant of a lot of things,

like I'm ignorant on how to work on a vehicle.

and it's probably best that way for the sanity

of everybody around me. I will pay somebody to

do such and such. I'm ignorant on how to put

up lights. That's why we had somebody else come

and do that. But did I learn some of that in

the process? Maybe. I might could do some wiring

now. My wife does not agree, but I would like

to give it a shot at something. But so we had

that happen I've had my fun attacks on social

media Everybody Comes out of the woodworks when

you start believing a certain way But I think

the part that I want people to understand is

these are not overnight beliefs This is stuff

I've wrestled with for two or three years before

releasing it. And so we ended up leaving the

church in November. There was a family that had

brought, they had three teenagers that we were,

they're youth pastors of course. And this family,

every youth service we had would load up of load

of teenagers to get them there. They wanted to

continue this. So we did. And I think it's only

because they saw the change in their teenagers.

That's whatever we were doing and teaching was

changing their lives. So we continued. So heck,

we'll just do Bible study up there. We'll do

our once a month service and I guess we had our

first service what in November? or was it after?

was it in December? no I want to say we did have

one in November but I could be wrong I don't

remember but I know we started Bible study at

least And this is the part where you can feel

free to speak up. Where we've had the services.

Right in their backyard. God has showed up. And

you're seeing young people being countered by

the Father's love. Like I'm not just... Making

this up you're seeing the same thing You know

like the last one we just did we had a young

18 year old girl who? Did not want to be around

people Kind of stayed off to the side we have

what probably 10 10 12 teenagers 13 Did not want

to be around people But by the end of it, after

encountering love, began to dance with the rest

of the circle. Like, you can't make that up.

And I can't make that happen. The only thing

I can say that we did was make space for an encounter.

Make space for these kids to be loved on. I'm

not jealous. anymore and there's still times

that I want to teach on behavior when you got

teenagers you want to talk about behavior and

I can exhaust myself that way or I can just stick

to teaching identity and teaching them who they

are and trust Holy Spirit with the rest and you've

been with me through both I mean you've been

with me through how we used to lead and the stuff

I used to teach and you saw where that life led

me. But you've also been on the other end of

this with this teaching and what it's done for

me and our family and now what it's doing for

others. Yep, not saying anything negative about

that, but you can see Mindsets that are different

than what we're teaching now attitudes That are

different than what we're teaching now so just

because you're raised in religion Doesn't mean

that you turn out knowing the true love is That's

that's true Because I think in our and maybe

you can speak to this son I think in our Formative

years of being a ministry and The first part

of it I feel like maybe I was just regurgitating

and reading the scripture through all the ends

that I had been taught Whereas now I'm in a I'm

in a place where I'm attempting to allow Holy

Spirit to adjust that lens and allowing Holy

Spirit to be the teacher that she needs to be

in my life. And that has been a different journey,

I guess I can say. It's not about regurgitating

and I'm not trying to tear everything down, but

I think it's important for us to not just read

through a lens that we've been handled, handed,

but to allow Holy Spirit to do the adjustment

that's needed and to allow the Word of God sit

down with us while we read a Word of God. Well

at some point you have to remember that a pastor

is just a man. For a woman and you know Not saying

that their lens is wrong. That's right for them

because the Holy Spirit God knows, you know how

to reach every single person Doesn't make everybody's

lens wrong. It's just how he reaches every person

That's good. You can't reach the same people

or everyone with the same thing they all go through

different stories in life different roads in

life you've got different backgrounds different

family situations that you know people just can't

relate to some people and that's not a bad thing

it's not saying that you know that your gospel

or your story is wrong but it it doesn't help

someone reach someone who can't comprehend what

you're going through or what someone else has

been through. It's just like, you know, you compare,

try comparing the love of a father to an orphan.

You know, like, they don't get it. because they

don't have anything to compare it to. You have

to meet them on a level playing field. You have

to understand where they're coming from and know

someone's story to be able to adjust and not

be so cocky and arrogant as to say, you know,

Well, only this like this is how it's done. Yeah

Well, okay. Well that may work for some people

But everybody's not cookie -cutter. I think some

people and that's good. I think some people Are

in a place especially with in our part of the

world how we've been trained in taught scripture.

I Think there's some people that need to be told

you're just a dirty person To make them get cleaned

up then that may be their starting point. Kind

of like, in my defense, I guess you could say

what that would be, Abraham and Isaac, when God

came and asked Abraham to sacrifice his son.

First of all, I would never trust a God who asked

me to sacrifice my kid. Like, not gonna happen.

But, in that culture that was... something Abraham

would have expected a God to do because of the

different gods that they had. So God asking for

that sacrifice did not come as a shock for Abraham.

So God met Abraham in the place that he was until

he was ready to have the conversation on top

of the mountain that you will not be providing

the sacrifice, I will be. You know you pick two

random people on the street One person's got

a big problem with pride. Mm -hmm. The other

person has a very big problem with depression

and anxiety Okay, the one with pride what would

people say about that one? Oh, he needs to be

knocked down a peg. Yeah, right Because he thinks

too much of himself. Yeah. Okay, so one of the

ways that is true you might he needs humbling

you you know god won't need you he chose you

yeah but he he doesn't need you for anything

partners with you and chose you yes you know

people think too much of themselves sometimes

not in the best way you know there's a difference

between like we've talked about before yes being

humble but um then you look at you go to the

other person who suffers with depression anxiety

and self -worth you tell them that they're nothing

well they already know they already think that

about themselves yep so you're pushing that person

towards a spiral possibly suicide because they

can't handle being told that because they already

believe it But what God sees is he needs them

to see how much they are worth to him. What you

tell him, this one over here with pride, God

doesn't need you, but he chose you. You tell

this one over here with depression, God chose

you. Do you know how much he loves you? Almost

the same thing. but there's a difference in how

you have to approach each person. Yep, which

I guess to my thoughts go to that's why you need

the Holy Spirit. Right. And you need the Holy

Spirit in a way that helps you see the Christ

in both of those individuals so you can speak

to that as a center daughter. Right. I forget

where we were in this conversation, but Yes,

the Holy Spirit's been teaching me a lot of these

things which again people think that I've just

made up in the past a little bit, but this is

stuff that I've had to walk on this journey and

this progression in this pathway with Holy Spirit

teaching me and I'll never forget Just maybe

it was around the time that this actually all

started as far as some of this goes was being

there when Lance Johnson Prayed over me and he

said that the Holy Spirit would be the greatest

teacher you've ever had And that's proven to

be true. Like it leads me down past that a lot

of people disagree I Get in trouble for it, but

I almost feel like everything that I've been

through with life has built me for that. And

you know, so we've been doing these services

with this family and I don't know where this

is going. I don't know what God is actually doing.

All I know is we're remaining faithful to say

yes to this. But even our Bible studies on Wednesday

night is completely different and feels so freeing.

Like and I'll never forget just a couple Wednesdays

ago when I had I was still in that mindset that

Wednesday night is seven to eight And it was

around little after eight and I said, I know

I'm over my time Not thinking about what I was

saying. I've been so trained in this seven to

eight And everybody in the rims like who said

And I didn't know what to do with that at first

like cuz I'm so accustomed you know we got even

told early in our ministry um that we need to

keep stuff short because teenagers don't have

that attention span well you're gonna have to

convince me of that with these guys yeah because

this whole family we can go for an hour and a

half and they're still willing hungry for more

we can do services and everybody knows i'm long

-winded and they don't have any desire to like

they're not antsy and wanting to stop They would

keep going as long as we go. I mean, these guys

specifically was there for our first youth conference

we did. We didn't have a huge crowd, but that's

what we felt like we needed to do was a youth

conference. And they heard me talk all day long.

I was exhausted. just because we didn't plan

out things like we were supposed to and didn't

follow up with certain things so I ended up speaking

a lot more than I had planned on that day but

they never lost a beat like they were engaged

the entire day and that's not always been the

case I mean I just let me how long we've been

going 45 minutes so i think this is an important

thing that i can interject here is that eden

is not just a memory metanoia is not just a moment

i think both of those were to lead to this point

and i think they were meant to lead into family

um i think they were meant to lead excuse me,

they were meant to lead into family lived, relational,

and everyday kingdom life. That kingdom family

is where identity becomes practice, where sonship

becomes rhythm, and where theology becomes flesh.

It's where faith shows up in marriages like in

our marriage, in parenting, and friendship, and

conflict, and healing. and how we walked through

the grocery store and the prayer closet in the

same way. I just feel like I agree with what

you said. I think both of those was different

aspects of my journey and path that led here

to now. And I don't mean this, if people hear

this and think I'm just talking bad about the

church, they don't know me. I grew up in church,

I love the church, but unfortunately, especially

in our neck of the woods, I don't know if there's

a church that I can go to that would accept me

for me and allow me to do what I'm called to

do because I don't agree with their beliefs.

is true because unfortunately i guess apparently

a lot of people think that you know you have

to agree on everything um you know in order to

be able to worship together but that's not the

case just just so y 'all know i mean i mean Bible

says that you have there's only one way to God

which is Jesus, you know the Sun Yeah, but a

lot of people find Jesus in a whole lot of different

ways sure do I Just And I don't want people to

take that as that's what I'm doing is attacking

the church because I'm not There's no part of

what my intent is to do is to attack the church

It's just my journey what I have learned and

what we have built is we say we're all accepted,

come as you are, but if I see things through

a different lens, I'm now dangerous. I'm cast

out because I've become dangerous to the system.

Theology. Theology, but I think also I've become

dangerous to the system. And my whole intent

is to, even with what we have now starting and

happening and whatever, is to get these teenagers

to realize how valuable and important they are

to be a part of a kingdom family, and that they

can hear from the Holy Spirit at 13, 14, heck,

our kids, seven, 11 years old. That they can

hear from the Holy Spirit for themselves. You

don't need me to be that voice. I will gladly

do all this teaching, and I found this fascinating

and fun. I will do this. But I don't want to

build a culture and an environment to where they

rely upon me to bring the work. Right. And I

think that shows in our 11 year old. Yeah. I

agree. But I think it's just this whole journey

to get us here to where Yes, I struggled with

changing the name of this podcast again, but

I feel like it's right. I feel like everything

that we're doing is now under or should be moved

under the Kingdom Family Ministries where, you

know, the part that I have added to or even our

logo is restoring identity, rebuilding families,

and advancing the kingdom. I feel like that's

what my life has been about, what our life is

about. That everything we do, we're talking about

identity and restoring that, helping rebuild

families. And how can we do that? Because we've

seen our family rebuilt. We can help other marriages

because we've had our marriage torn down and

rebuilt. We've had our family torn down and rebuilt.

I as a dad has had the relationship with my children

feel like that was torn down and has been rebuilt

and is being rebuilt. Like I think it's still

as much as I am grateful for where our marriage

is today, I'm excited to see where it is three

years from now, 10 years from now. I'm excited

to see how our marriage impacts our children

and when they get married. And the same can be

true with any part of our life. The relationship

with our kids, our finances, I mean, you name

it. I think our aim is seeing this rebuilt the

way that Holy Spirit and the Trinity has purposed

for it to be built. If that makes sense. trying

to think where to go from here it's just like

i don't know how it's a set except for it feels

right i'm not just wanting to change a name but

to change a name i feel like this is purposeful

and i feel like this is the right direction um

the youtube channel is already named this Facebook

has already named this And so this would be our

heading name Like there's still one that I'm

working on is a father's forge that'll be the

men's group that I focus on I want to see you

step in later to address the women because I

think you could help women but I think everything

will now fall under this. I think it's just the

right step for us to make as we move forward.

And I think going forward, this podcast will

continue to explore identity, union, scripture,

transformation, but I think it's gonna always

now... Not that it wasn't before but always through

the lens of belonging Not just what do you believe

but who do you belong to and who belongs to you

Because even like I even tell the group on Wednesday

night, I'm not really interested in you believe

in just how I believe I'm Sharing my point of

view to get you to rethink Because it's a journey

for all of us I mean you even told me before

you don't know that you're quite there with me

on some things I believe in. It's a journey for

you. And that's okay. And we stayed married.

That's scary. But like there's a book that me

and you are gonna do together that I'm interested

in. Been sitting on the shelf for a little bit

now but my wife is looking at me like whose fault

is that? But it's just and I think I Think one

of the areas I don't know if the struggle is

the right word But I'm not one who just wants

to sit around talk about the weather and do small

talk Like this is the kind of stuff that fascinates

me. I Love having these conversations. I love

having our Wednesday night Bible study and they

bring up questions and different points of view

that makes me think yeah yeah I do and not so

I can say well I'm right you're wrong but to

go oh that's interesting it's kind of like Jason

Clark talks about it on his rethinking Galataka's

podcast and Him I forget who we was talking about

but they were in a conversation about the goodness

of God and it was always Both of them trying

to one up each other Like he's good. Yes, and

then the other one would rethink and say but

easy this good and what I think that's the kind

of thing I want to get to because I don't think

there's any way you can Come up with anything

in your mind where the goodness of God is That

you've expressed the goodness of God more than

how good he is. Does that make sense? I don't

think you can do that. You can never come to

the realization of just how good he is because

he's that good. Exactly. It's kind of like, and

I've told you this before, if I can take me as

a man with limited knowledge, can take your gospel

and make it better, then you don't have the gospel.

And I want that to sound defensive, because that

should make somebody rethink that if I can make

your gospel better than what you're believing,

it's kind of like Damon Thompson put, is it good

news that you have to sit down and take a test

and the teacher comes in and stands over your

shoulder and gives you the answer? Yeah, it's

good news. But what's better than that is when

the teacher just says, get up and take the test

for you. So the first one sounds like good news

and it is good news But if I can one up that

then you don't have the gospel because this is

actually better news And so these are the kind

of conversations I think we will continue having

a lot more teaching Just like with the first

Part of this the revelation of Christ and all

that was a big one for me I'm pretty sure I know

what we'll do starting next week But I also want

to make sure and create space to have conversations

like this Like we did the last season on the

topic of me and like I want to sit down and have

Conversations about marriage and family and parenting

and all that kind of stuff. I think that's important

And I don't know what that looks like. Again,

I'm not the professional here to know. I'm still

figuring this out. I feel like I'm stumbling

around in a dark room. I'm not a professional

podcaster. I don't... I don't know. I don't know

where we go. I don't know what the future looks

like. I just... No, and you can feel free to

disagree. I just know in my heart that we're

on the right path So I Think that's what's important

and what I wanted my listeners to hear is That

yes is another name change. We will kick off

with Kingdom Family Ministries And this is why

I didn't want people to just think we're just

changing the name to change the name Like there's

a purpose behind this. There's a journey behind

this. There's heart behind this And I don't know

that I would have picked up on the previous to

being a path for me until you said it Because

sometimes I get stuck in my own head and just

feel like people's gonna think Another name change

so he has no clue what he's doing um was a moment

on your journey and i think each one is very

special and unique to see it evolve into what

it is now stepping stones i like that so we'll

continue exploring things folks continue restoring

identity rebuilding families and advancing the

kingdom do whatever means necessary right now

that's youtube and podcast and doing our thing

up on the mountain and I guess you got any closing

thoughts you want to add anything you want to

say I'd be down for that people want to put hey

can you touch on this yeah so if you've listened

you know Leave a review. Let us hear from you.

What do you want to hear about? What do you want

to know about? What would you like to hear teaching

on? Other or just our thoughts about whatever

Other than that, I think the best thing I can

end with is welcome to the kingdom family podcast

That's where we're at now That's how we will

move forward So pull up a chair Put us on, we're

glad you're here. Pull up a chair, ride down

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