Moving In Faith | Moviéndose En Fe, Special Guest Dr. Renny McLean, Podcast 105 Parte 1

Welcome to Burning Lab Podcast. A daily refresh

for your life. Jesus is the center of everything

we do. Burning Lab Church. I am so honored to

be here. Very honored to be here. To be in the

house. of the Lord, and to be a part of, well,

I'm just going to say it, to be a part of Apostle

Daniel's life, he is, that's worth laughing at.

He is truly an example of biblical humility.

It's almost hard for me to believe that this

is 2025 and I've known him for what would be

15 to 16 years. Back then my hair was black,

totally black, and now I'm a little older. and

to see him grow in the Lord and to see all of

you here that have stuck with him and his family.

You too must be saluted. Thank God for all of

you. It would be remiss of me if I didn't do

this. There is a woman in this house, an interesting

woman, an unusual woman. I've been with her for

44 years. We met when we were 10. Oh, I can't

say 10. This is a miracle. But we met when we

were very young. We've traveled the world together.

We've passed it together. We had a Bible school

in London. She was the co -founder of everything.

And so, putting it in a nutshell, when I was

18, I met my rib. I wasn't looking for a rib.

I was only 18. But God put us together, and so

I want to show her off to you. Dr. Marina, stand

up please. The Lord bless you. The Lord bless

you. The Lord bless you. Well, I want to share

with you something that's very very important

How many of you here know? relevancy Relevancy

is a very interesting word Relevance Significance

very important. Every one of you here, no matter

how old or how young you are, you are of great

spiritual significance because of the time that

we are in. When something new starts, it has

to have a foundation. And so I wanna just put

something in the foundation of your church. You

already have a foundation, but I'm gonna add

something into it and build a little bit upon

it. If you have your Bibles with you, please

go with me to Matthew chapter 16. Matthew 16,

Matthew 16 · chapter mention

and we're going to start from verse 13. And before

I read this to you, the revelation Come forward

with me down. I want you to catch me in the spirit.

Stay by me. Come close to me. I will not bite

you. Stay here. All right. All right. All right.

Now listen to this. This is important. The continuation

of Jesus is a revelation. We are going to forever

learn who He is. I feel old every time I say

this. I got saved in 1969. By the look of this

church, most of you were not even in existence

then. and I was called to ministry in the year

1972. I had a supernatural experience. I have

seen the Lord. As clear as you see me, I have

seen the Lord. I've been to heaven. That's how

my ministry was born. Through supernatural experiences.

But hear me, that was over 50 years ago. The

issue is, do I know him now? What is the revelation

of Jesus now? the significance of the church

to every generation is the revelation of Jesus

in the now. Today there is what I call a lot

of historical knowledge. But there's very little

now knowledge. Because you don't have the now

knowledge of Jesus if you've not had an encounter.

And encounters are continual. You never park

in an encounter God can deposit something in

you, but it can take you years to unpack Because

there's so much of him to be revealed There's

so much of him that the church doesn't know or

I dare say even believe. So the question is,

what is the now revelation of Jesus? And I'm

speaking like this to give you a foundation or

something, I'm gonna say. There are different

levels of knowledge. an intelligence. There's

what I call doctrinal intelligence, which simply

means the knowledge of the scripture. Do you

remember when Jesus would speak to the Pharisees

and they would try to get under his skin? What

did he always say? Go search the scriptures.

Today in the church world, there's very little

searching of scripture. because we've parked

in the past truth so we're not in the present

truth of Jesus. And then there's what I call

prophetic intelligence. That is the knowledge

of the future. That's what we call prophetic

intelligence Are you following me with this?

Now let me make it even clearer That's why the

Bible says He who was He who is and he who is

to come Excuse me, I gotta be calm prophetic

intelligence. When he came 2 ,000 years ago,

he came as the lamb. In the future, he's not

coming as the lamb. Prophetic intelligence. And

then there's what I call revitory intelligence.

Revitory intelligence is simply this. It's the

ability to understand the now and the future

of God and interpret it to the present. Not many

people can do that. But there is somebody who

is in you who wants to give you that level of

intelligence. His name is the Holy Spirit. And

Jesus said, when the Holy Spirit comes, He will

tell you and show you what is to come. He who

was, He who is, and He who is to come. Now, How

we know Him affects the transition of the church.

See, let me give you a simple example. In the

earth, there are priests and there's a high priest.

But in heaven, there's a great high priest. a

mega priest, an unusual priest. His priesthood

is in the heavens while ours is in the earth.

So our priesthood is tied to us knowing him.

Our sonship is taught to him. But it's how we

know him. Because everything in the Bible, connected

to God, revolves around one word. Identity. That's

the first trick the devil pulled in the garden.

He said to Adam, you will be as God. Adam forgot.

He was the image and likeness of God. Watch this

now. Where you stop relating to God is where

you start to backslide. That's the key to spiritual

power, identity. So when our identity is gone,

we're a powerless people. So the question is,

who is Jesus in this now? My God. Who is Jesus

according to prophecy? And where is the church

in prophecy? They can't be separated because

He's the head of the same body which we know

as the church. So we're going to go into the

word today. And it starts out like this. Math

remember that Matthew. What did I say Matthew

16? Matthew 16 verse 13 and this is what it says

Matthew 16:13

When Jesus came into the region and I want you

to mark that word region of Caesar where I Philippi

Now I want you to understand, oh my God this

is so powerful, I want you to get a hold of this

truth today. Israel was under Roman rule, under

Roman occupation. And one of the things that

was done then is when you take over a territory,

you bring your world to that region. So a lot

of Jewish things, as we would say, really were

not there. Notice the terminology, Caesar I Philippi.

Israel was heavily under Roman rule. Notice the

term Caesar, Caesarea. Notice the terminology,

as in Caesar. You good? Now, this is how they

were. This is a very powerful truth. Their understanding

of gods was that the gods were territorial. They

had no concept of the Almighty. Like in Egyptian

culture, there was the god of denial. The sun

was a god. I better be careful. See, that's why

in... That's how we got the day Sunday. It's

all paganized. Monday was after the moon god.

So the region what we're looking at is very important.

So they came into this region where there were

multiple statues of Roman gods. And it's in that

context he asks the question, who do you say

that I am? Isn't that interesting? Back then,

they had a choice of gods. Interesting thing,

their gods were man -made. So Jesus said, visualize

now, looking around, Zeus here, Look at all these

gods and statues. I remember to a Jewish mind,

he said, don't worship any what? Images. So you

can imagine how a Jewish mind saw this. So he

then said, who do you say that I am? Now please

listen because this is powerful. Who do men say

that I the Son of Man am? Mark that in your Bible.

Mark it in your Bible. In Hebrew, the term Son

of Man is code for the word Messiah. And I was,

Jesus gave away in the question that he was asking,

but they couldn't see it. Please listen to this.

Because today, Today, this is what the world

is asking. In the light of what we see in the

earth, who is Jesus? Who is Jesus? In other words,

relevancy is being lost. Respect is gone. Reverence

is gone. Now, Jesus is considered an historical

figure. Watch this now. And that's why to a lot

of people right now, the church is a thing of

the past. The church. and its relevance. Who

He is in the heavens is what we are in the earth.

That's the only way the kingdom can come. Now

hear now what He goes on to say. Some say John

the Baptist, some say Elijah, and others Jeremiah

or one of the prophets. Now listen to this because

it's powerful. The Pharisees didn't like him

But the Pharisees respected him as a teacher.

But the people, because of these miracles, called

him a prophet. That was an exciting amen. Did

you get this? This is very important. Because

Moses said, There's going to come a prophet like

me. He wasn't a teacher, but it was what their

intellect could take. That explains today why

most people can take teaching but they cannot

take a prophet. These are things that must be

understood. So who do you say that I am? And

why do you say it? What's my evidence? And it's

very interesting. He didn't ask people who didn't

know him this question, he asked this question

to those who followed him. Not everybody that

follows you is your disciple. We learned that

from Facebook today. Because you follow me, it

doesn't mean you are my disciple. We are told

to make disciples, not followers. It always makes

me and Marina laugh. When they say, We followed

you from afar, we've known you for years. Now

see how I hear that, I don't have any connection

to you. You're just a follower. You're not a

disciple. You don't know what I teach. You've

not received the impartation. You're just a follower.

So I can't take you as a follower into my holies

of holies because you don't know me. Okay, now

when he asks this question, They had already

seen him raise the dead. They were there when

he turned water into wine. And yet, all they

could do was relegate him to a prophet. They

didn't know him. Hear me clearly. It is possible

to come to church and not know Him. It's possible

to sing and shout and not know Him. And I want

you to listen to this real good. One of the key

words today for you to have spiritual sanity.

In the days that we are living in, is the word

no. Not no, but KNO. Sorry, K -N -O -W. You must

know in order to stand. You have to, I feel it

in the spirit. You have to know when the doctor

gives you a bad report, you've got to know by

those stripes you were healed. When you sow your

seed, you've got to know that if you sow, you

are going to reap. You have got to know when

you lay hands on the seed, they are going to

recover. You have to know. I said you have to

know because there is no doubt where you know.