Apologetics Series 2024 - Part 4: Secularism & Progressive Christianity | Samuel Nesan & Andy Yeoh

Hey there, you're listening to the Generation's Church podcast. We pray that the

word of God today will challenge, change and channel you into your God given

destiny. Now let's get started. Today we're dealing with something called secularism and

progressive Christianity. You may also have heard about something called the work movement.

Now they are not all exactly the same things, but they intersect at certain

points. So we hope to discuss that today. You know, one,

I'm going to pass the time to the Guru who will take us through some

foundational introduction thoughts. But how today will work largely is going to be based

on your questions, is said, all right, It's going to be based

on your questions, and so if you don't ask questions, we will end

early. Some might like that, Okay, So as we think about these

things, some of the issues, some of the topics, some of the

I guess struggles that you may encounter as we talk about these things is things

like you know, secularism is the different ways to explain it. But basically

people who subscribe to this want to basically separate religion from everything else, Like,

for example, we separate the state from the church, or the state

from religion, so you may start writing laws that is purely secular and has

nothing to do with any religion or any religious background. For something like that.

Right now, you can imagine that can bring up other issues. Right

For example, if religion tells you this is a man, this is a

woman, and you remove religion from laws that return, then you start to

have your own definition. So those kind of issues might crop up. Right.

Progressive Christianity again in show. If you do a Google search, you

will find all chapes of answers. But in short is it's Christianity, but

almost without Jesus. It's all about love as long as there's love, and

it sounds good because God is love. But they almost make it like love

is God. Yes, those things are not indigenegtable. It's like this doesn't

work. I know it's English where it doesn't work that way. God is

love, but we might be very careful Love is not God. But in

progressive Christianity that it's thought that you know, as long as it's done out

of love, as long as we love God and love people. As long

as it's love, then it's okay. Very fine and very thin line,

very dangerous grounds to be on. But let me just hand over to Samon

now and then he will start us off with some foundational thoughts and then we'll

see what questions we will come up Besides why am I so handsome? We

actually discussed that question in class yesterday. Actually, why is past that day

so handsome? We're not kidding. You can ask him that later, all

right, but thank you, pasty do. I want to start off by

reading from Genesis chapter three, and if you have your Bibles, please open

with me to Genesis chapter three. If you don't have your Bibles, well,

I guess that's what Google is for, all right. So let's go

to Genesis chapter three, and I want to read from Worse one to seven.

All right, Worse one to seven. And you may be wondering what

has this got to do with secularism the woke movement, And in short,

my answer is everything. All right, So let's go Genesis chapter one.

So Genesis chapter three was one to seven. I'm gonna read this, and

after I'm done reading this, I will say this is the word of the

Lord. And I hope you can say thanks be to God if you can

do that. All right, let's do that. So Genesis chapter three worse

one. Now, the serpent was more crafty than any other beast of the

field that the Lord God had me. He said to the woman, did

God actually say, you shall not eat off any tree in the garden.

And a woman said to the serpent, we may eat of the fruit of

the trees in the garden. But God said, you shall not eat of

the fruit of the tree that is in the midst of the garden. Neither

shall you touch it lest you die worse four. But the serpent said to

the woman, you will not surely die, for God knows when you eat

of it, your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God,

knowing good and evil. When a woman saw. When a woman saw

that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to

the eyes, and that the tree was to be desired to make one wise,

she took of its fruit and ate. She also gave some to her

husband, who was with her, and he hate. Then the eyes of

both of them were opened, and they knew that they were naked. And

he sewed fig leaves together and made themselves loinclothes. Brother says, this is

in Christ, this is the word of the law God. Let's look to

God in prayer. Before we start, God, we once again want to

come to you and ask you that even as we address a topic that is

a sensitive one, something that is so relevant to this time and this age,

we pray that you be with us. We pray that you guide us,

that we not only understand this topic, but we see it in the

light of the way you see it. We pray that your users to deal

with people that struggle with this. We ask all this in Jesus name.

Amen, fantastic, great, thank you. Now what is this going to

do with secularism? Well, I said everything, because fundamental to this idea

of secularism are two words. One is the word secular, which comes from

the Latin word for world. Now, in Latin we are two words for

world, not one. One of the words for world is mundum. The

other is where you get the word secular. Now what's the difference, you

may ask, Well, the normal word in Latin for world actually deals with

space. The world is in a space to live with, to live to

a place where it is. But secular deals more with a time concept.

So it's not just the world, but the world as it is today.

What is it currently in the state So now the word ism, on the

other hand, deals with a worldview, a way in which we perceive the

world around us. And so when you put these two together, secularism has

to do with prioritizing the way we see the world as it is today.

Now, all that said, what's wrong with that? And what's wrong with

being modern? You know? Should we be archaic all the time? Should

we speak in King James language? The now? Thine, No, that's

not what we're saying. What we're saying, rather, is that the whole

debate as to whether secularism is legitimate or not bolts down to this one question

who is Lord? Because in secularism, who really is Lord? We are?

You don't get to tell me what gender I am sounds familiar. I

may look like a man, Doctor v may do some scientific tests and you

know, some tests my chromosomes and realize I'm a man, But it doesn't

matter, because what I feel is independent of what you and I what anyone

else may say. So secularism will emphasize your truth. Have you heard that

saying before your truth? This is well, there's no such thing as your

truth. There's only your opinion. It's the truth. And so secularism says

that you are Lord. And number two, secularism kind of contradicts the idea

that God has even spoken, which is why foundational to the idea of secularism

is the distinction between church and state. Now I'm not saying that church and

state should be one. That's not what I'm saying. But the idea that

there is a fundamental difference between what God says and what we think is the

very foundation of secularism. Don't bring God into the classroom, they will say.

Now, in the French Constitution, like cite, I think is that

the French word for this. This is foundational to the French Constitution. It's

Article one in the French Constitution, this separation between church and state. Don't

let God have anything to do with the way things are run. God can

be in his own little compartment, that's the religious compartment, and secularism will

run it on its own. Here's the problem. Secularism is in itself a

form of religion. It's a religion that denies all other religion, but it

is in fact a religion because it has a particular view of God, namely

that God did not speak, which is why many secularists tend to be atheists.

Now, you can still call yourself a Christian and be a secularist,

but in many ways, the form of atheism those people embrace will be what

we call practical atheism. That is, on the one hand, saying that

God exists, but functioning as if he doesn't. So ultimately, when you

look through the story of the Garden of Eden, we realize that secularism is

not a modern concept. It's something that was already there, even before Sin

came into the world. Secularism is Satan saying to the woman number one,

did God really say? Why? Because if I can challenge whether or not

God actually said something, then I can introduce any moral ideas that I want

to God really saying it's wrong to be gay? God really say that transgenderism

is sin? The God really really say that abortion is wrong? Why I

had all these rules? I mean, it's not as if God really spoke,

now, did he? Because when you come to Jesus and Jesus addresses

the same enemy Satan, Jesus will repeat three phrase, one phrase, three

times? What is that phrase? It is written? It written, it

is written. Why does Jesus do that? It's set up. God already

said, so when you come to the foundation of where the fall begins,

it is Satan number one questioning did God say it? Did God ever say?

And number two, Satan challenges God's word worse for Satan says, you

will not die. Secularism God says to man that he is Lord. Secularism

is man saying no, I'm Lord, I get to define my destiny.

God says, this is sin. Who is God to say what I mean?

Who is God to impose his moral values on me? I decide for

myself. And ultimately, secularism itself is the very attempt to become God,

because, as you will see, Satan's entire temptation to the woman is that

when you eat of it verse five, you will be like God. And

so, under the pretense of a certain knowledge, secularism comes in and says,

well you can you know? You ultimately are important, which is why

another close con except to secularism is called humanism. Humanism is the idea that

humanity is the ultimate good, that humanity is the priority forget God, humanity

is now. Secularism and humanism are two distinct concepts, but they usually come

together, which is a concept we know as secular humanism. They come together.

They're like guys in the same car, right, they may be different,

but they take a ride with each other. And so ultimately, when

what we're going to do is I think a lot of times Christians look at

issues like homosexuality, transgenderism, abortion, progressive Christianity and we say that these

are we treat them like they're different things. Actually they're not. They're very

much related to one foundational concept. That concept is the lordship of men.

And so that's what we want to tackle. And ultimately, of course our

goal pass andy will be to show today and man is not lord. The

true salvation is realizing two things. Number One, none of us are bond

straight, because one of the key argives and says, what if I was

born that way? Can I tell you how I was born? I was

born sinful. I was not born straight, not born straight as in I'm

not talking about sexual identity here, I'm saying I was born sinful, I

was bound crooked. And none of us are born right. The Bible says

all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. Ultimately, how

are we made right before God? It is not in saying this is how

I was born. It is in realizing I need to be born again.

I need to be born in the likeness of Jesus. The spiritual birth must

take place. I am not what God created me to be. I'm a

fallen human being and I need this new birth. This new birth can only

come by repentance and are turning to Christ realizing my identity is not who I

am. My identity is Jesus Christ. That's the remedy of it. Not

It's a shot over your pastor and then we can deal with the nitty gritty

details in Jesabit. Let's do that. Yes, I expected. We have

many questions already, but the most popular question is not quite related. Do

you want to look at it? I'm not sure. It's a question about

Lucifer and why didn't God just bring Lucifer back? Since God is so all

powerful. Yeah, do we do with that? Yeah? Sure, I

don't mind. Yeah, I mean, well, it's not directly related,

but we did touch on Satan. Yes. The problem is this, Lucifer

is not in the Bible. I hear this all the time, Lucifer the

Bible. What does the Bible say about Lucifer? The woorld Lucifer is not

in the Bible. The word lucifer comes from Latin barrel of light. The

Bible was written in Hebrew, right, so it's not the world lucifer is

not in a Bible. You'll find it in the King James version. But

that's a mistranslation because prior to the King James version, the the main Bibles

that they would use were Latin. So there's a Latin influence on the sixteen

eleven King James. But the wood lucifer is strictly speaking, not in the

Hebrew at all. Now the quiz in us, I guess why did God

not just lock up Satan? Right, Well, that would be to assume

that Satan's very existence is a problem to God. It's no problem to God.

He's in control of all human affairsus we testified last week, which means

even though Satan things that he's leading Judas to betray Jesus, falls right within

the plan of God. If Satan thinks that he's trying to kill Jesus,

falls right within the plan of God. Satan tried to kill Jesus at his

birth. Think about this, When Jesus was born, Satan tried to kill

him at his birth. You know what that actually resulted in? Who else

in the Old Testament nearly got killed at his birth Moses? It ended up

showing Jesus as the new Moses. And just like Moses had a miraculous escave,

Jesus had a miraculous escape. Okay, where did Moses have the miraculous

escape too? Egypt? Where did Jesus have the miraculous escape? Two?

Studying the pattern, so Satan's attempt to go against God actually results in Jesus

fulfilling biblical prophecy which Matthew chapter two says out of Egypt, I call my

son. So thanks very much Satan for the help. Right, So,

ultimately I would say that the reason God doesn't restrain Satan right now he will

one day, it's because it's not as if he's he's attempting to go against

God, but in doing so, he fulfills God's plans in the ultimate sense.

Right, Great, let's move the next question, and this is of

course more related, and it's got to do with I'll just read the question.

It is as it is. How do you speak up? I assume

you here meaning us as believers, as a body of Christ, as Christians

who believe in the Bible. Yeah, So how do you speak up against

the LGBTQ plus community without sounding judgmental? And to what extent you show acceptance

of the person? So I assume the person being part of the LGBTQ community

when the person him or herself is so confused, So how do you I

guess it's a question of like, where do you stand and how do you

stand on the side of what's right? Yeah, at the same time,

be understanding, be accepting things like that you want to go first, and

then what you want you start first? Okay, All right, Now,

when we first started this church, we did declare that this will be a

church for all all generations. Right, we boldly put a word like that.

And then it's a scary love when you put all all means all ut

uh. And when we when we say when we say generations, we also

kind of qualify that we don't just mean age groups. We mean all kinds

of people, all kinds of people that will if we say all, then

that would include even those from the l g b d Q community. We

also did say when you first started the church, and we're not so different

now than a year ago. That while we know that a church, the

church is for everyone, I did admit that we don't necessarily know how to

deal with the issue completely. Like if someone were to walk in here and

they're from the LGBTQ community, right, do I know all the fifteen steps

on how to deal with the whole situation if the person signs up for the

worship team and wants to audition, or wants to be a gend kiss teacher,

or wants to preach up here, all of those nuances are very very

detailed. Do we know exactly what we'll do? Yet? We have a

bit more ideas now better I didn't now than a year ago. But this

is an important question because if we really want to be a church where we

preach Jesus, and we should preach Jesus to everyone, and we want everyone

to be able to hear the Gospel, then we must be ready. We

must be ready. Yeah. Now, as far as I know now,

I think there's a very big difference between accepting and agreeing. Accepting something is

not the same as agree with something. Right, He's an Arsenal fan,

I'm a Liverpool fan. We're not the best of friends at the moment.

Football terms, the football terms, because we are competing for the same price.

Right, I can accept him as a friend. I can accept his

choices of a football team, you know, an inferior one, but not

I feel have you seen the table lately? Uh? Yeah, the same

points. But do I agree with his choices? No? Do I wish

he had a different choice. I do because then we can be like even

more friends. But can can you see in the very simple way now what

I mean by I accept his choices, but I don't agree with his choices?

Right? I think that will be a good guiding thought. Accepting someone

It's not the same as agree with their lifestyle choices. Now you go into

like even more once. It's like also, if the person invites you to

his wedding, will you go? Uh? And if you go doesn't mean

that you support the entire idea of being LGBTQ. I think it's not a

it's not a maybe maybe it's just me. I don't think it's a one

answer that fits all. I think it would depend on the person. Is

he my cousin, is he my brother? Or see just someone I met

yesterday? It all depends. I think it all depends. But I would

definitely make it very clear that accepting the person is not the same agreeing with

his choices. For example, Also, if I can use another analogy,

my child, my son or my daughter, they're at this age right now,

and then he maybe you want and it comes from and say, Daddy,

I learned something new today. Two plus two is nine. He's clearly

wrong. He's clearly wrong, right, and now I have a choice as

a parent do I? And he seems confident dry two plus two is nine.

I got it. I figured it out. It is nine, and

nobody can tell me. Otherwise I could go straight say son, you dumb

boy, you two plus is not nine? Like who thought you that?

You? You dumboe? You silly? I could do that and make my

point. Or I could say, wow, how do you get nine from

two plus two? Can you show me? Uh? And and And the

reason I might do that is because I need to simultaneously tell him that son,

I love you. You can get math wrong, you can get the

ingredients of making cookie wrong, but you're still my son. So it's it's

a very important balance to be able to communicate that I love you even if

your math is wrong, even if your your incredients are wrong, even if

you know didn't do your chores. I love you. And then I feel

like it's up to me being the more mature one, and I would I

would say this, and I know what this is offensive. I would say

Christian is more mature in the revelation than a non Christian because we know,

we know things that others don't write. So then say, therefore it falls

on the mature to handle the immature. You know what I'm saying. So

our with lot, a lot of love, but not just mental. So

I would then have to, with my son as an example, patiently bring

him to a place where he understands because two plus two is still not nine,

right, I don't care what he believes, and what he thinks is

still not nine. And I'm not saying just because I say, oh,

I love you anyway while you attempt the math, that's so good, I'm

not saying two plus two is nine. I'm not agree that it's nine.

But I have to lovingly show him that two plus two is not nine.

It is indeed for and I think that the key the challenge is in that,

in that gap, how do I show them love and then bring them

to truth? So how do I speak up against LGBT community? Do we

speak up against the community? Yeah? Or could I be more specific?

And I speak up against the lifestyle that the community practices, because if if

community means the people, then I will find a way to tell them,

Hey, I love you, and I love you so much. I want

you to know the truth. But I can speak up against but that lifestyle

is wrong, the practice is wrong, the act is wrong. And do

we speak up? Yeah? We speak up? How to sound not judgmental?

I think it's difficult to not sound judgemental because you are passing a judgment

when you say. When you say something is right or wrong, it is

a judgment. So I don't think the goal here is not to sound judgmental,

not judgmental. Goal is to sound whether whether you sound loving or not,

you can I mean, I can tell my son two plus two is

not nine and do it lovingly. But I don't think I can do it

without judging. I don't know I say two plus two is not nine without

actually judging that two plus two is not nine. But I can do so

lovingly. Is it too abstract to wage hope? Hope he helps? And

if it's two vague please fall up with another question and never pick it up

from there. You have something to add. I just want to add real

quick. When we talk about the LGBT community, we're talking essentially about four

Well, when you talk about LGBT, you're talking essentially about four kind of

things here, and sometimes they you lum people lump them together without even realizing

it. Number one, LGBT we can can be a disposition, which means

we call that same sex attraction where people you know are attracted to the same

sex, but they don't have to necessarily commit the or to fulfill the attraction.

It's just I attracted, right, So the whole thing is in disposition.

Number one is the disposition sin yes or no? No? Of course

not no way in the Bible is a disposition sin Now when I say that,

every time people are thinking of Matthew Chapter five, where Jesus says if

you look lustfully at someone, you've committed sin. Yes, looking lustfully and

having an attraction or two different things. Right, As a straight man,

I have attraction towards women. I don't look lassually at women. That's different,

right, You can be attracted to the opposite sex without being lustful to

the opposite sex. So likewise, you can have same sex attraction without being

lustful to the members of the same sex. So that's one. That's number

one, and it's an attraction. It's a real problem, and it's not

sinful. It's a problem. Nonetheless, in a world that is not fallen,

you won't have this attraction. But we live in a fallen world.

Number two, same sex attraction, Well that's one. Number two. It

deals with the action, the action of committing same or fulfilling same sex attraction.

Right, the Bible says that if a man sleeps with the man as

a man sleeps with a woman, it's an abomination unto the Lord. That's

Leviticus eighteen. I believe. So when you come to verses like that,

we notice right off the get go that the Bible condemns the action. The

action is what is being judged, not the person. The action is being

judged. Number three. LGBT community or the person behind this, the person

struggling with the same sex attraction, a person committing the action. It's a

person. Now we can label your identity as LGBT, but that is a

person that is an image bearer of God. And I say we love the

person. We care for the person. We be gracious and as gentle as

the scripture will allow us to be. But we do speak the truth because

we are ultimately ambassadors of God. Now, fourth, and finally, you

come with the LGBT agenda slash community. Now, the LGBT agenda slash community

doesn't always have to be people who are part of the LGBT in practice.

For all you know, it could be just straight people who are supporting them

in this agenda slash community. Right. The point of the agenda is to

advocate a sense of normativeness about this, you know, to try and push

and lobby and say this is normal, it should be allowed everywhere. And

I have one thing to say about the LGBT agenda. Fight it. I'm

at war with the LGBT agenda. I want to destroy the LGBT agenda at

all costs. But I love the LGBT person. Why because I think the

greatest enemy of the LGBT community the person is the LGBT agenda. It's someone

with cancer, and then you've got people advocating that cancer it's okay, you

don't have to deal with it. That's your enemy. It's not okay.

You need a savior. That savior is Jesus Christ. But you are resisting

that savior because you have an echo chamber of people who may or not may

not even be gay, who are telling you it's okay, that's okay to

live with. And I'm I'm at war with dead voice the agenda because I

love the person. I care about where they're going to go. I don't

care that they like me now. I would much rather than hate me right

now and hopefully let the message of the Gospel sing true, that they repent,

that they may find favor with Christ on the last day. Then to

let them love me now and then just face Christ in judgment. So I'm

okay with being that bad guy, but I completely want the second one passed

the NDC. The tone in which we engage the person must be love,

must not just be loving. Some people think speaking the truth is love.

Yes, and no, speaking the truth can be loved. But the way

we're told is to speak the truth in love. The manner in which we

communicate must be loving. So I just want to second everything that you said,

past great interestingly, just a few days ago, a young person that

I used to pastor many years ago, I don't know. Out of the

blue, reached out to me on Instagram added me, and I at it

back. Didn't have the person's name at first when I added, but so

later on the person introduced himself and say, hey, I'm sorry so long

time, no see blah blah blah. And I checked out the profile and

I had this feeling like, hey, this, uh, not good to

judge that, but I look at the pictures and I'm like, wow,

but these guys changed a lot. Wow and and true enough, after a

few exchange of texts, this person said, hey, no, before that,

I said I had to update this person because it wasn't things. I'm

still in ex church, so I said, hey, I'm no longer there.

I'm not in a new church. Would you like to come and check

it out? No, I'll do that right And he said, oh no,

lah, Pastor, I I no longer go to church. I don't

really do the church thing now. And I'm like, okay, it's fine.

And then later he said, hey, Pastor, like your opinion on

something, if you don't mind, what do you think about the LGBTQ community?

And I'm like, ah, okay, all right, great, So

what do I do I said, let's meet up and talk. Let's meet

up and talk instead of engaging on on on texts and stuff. Of course,

that that would be to me an example of doing it in love,

reaching to the person, sitting down, have a conversation, not judging.

I think being there over the coffee table with this person would then show that

accepting the person and hearing him out and then share what I think. I

don't know. I don't know. If it's just he's just having a disposition,

is he leaving the lifestyle, is he actively in the relationship. I

don't know all that. But it's interesting that this todays Will delivered this and

just a few days ago, this young boy reached out to me and I

don't know why. I don't know. Can you tell me if my face

is that handsome? That that in my In my sixteen years seventeen years of

being a pastor, they always look for me like like people who either they

struggle with the attraction, they tend to reach out to me and like hey,

they tend to tell me. So I don't know, I don't know.

When I started a church, I invited one or two guys, so

one person that I tried to invite to church. Absolutely hates me right now.

Uh yeah, hates me because because completely misunderstment, misunderstood me when I

started a church and I kind of like use his story as an example of

who I'm trying to reach out to, and it completely used, misunderstood the

whole context. And then now hates me and doesn't want to talk to me,

does want to reply me. Another person says, you know what,

I know your agenda. You just want to change me, and you just

but good on you, very bold to start a church that welcomes everybody.

Uh and uh, you have just refuses to meet. And I told this

person that, you know what, I didn't start a church to change you.

I think I don't think I can change you. I didn't diwn the

Cross, I didn't get resurrected. I don't think have the power to change

you. But I will preach the world of God. Uh. And and

if anything, I think the word of God will change you, and it

would have to be your choice. So I say, you know what,

at least you now know if he ever wants to if you ever want to

come to a church that welcome you, you know where to look. So

I don't know, all throughout my life, I've had encounters with people who

who kind of like either they support the LGBT community or they come from the

community. They have reached out, and I've always just responded in love.

I mean, I try to do the best I can. Uh, one

or two have decided not to talk to me ever again, but that's that's

fine. So I think I think it's possible. I think it's possible to

stand your ground, to stand on the side of true and still be able

to reach out and love someone. Yeah, okay, cool. Someone asked

about Lucifer again, could I JA fourteen twelve, which is exactly where you

refer to. I think they're only in the King James's version, and I'm

glad someone already did the reply with the ESV version. So thank you all

for answering each other. There are some churches accepting same sex marriages and having

LGBTQ pastors. I think that's one in KL. It's called Good Samaritan kre

revengage with the church. Yeah, what's your opinion on this matter? That's

not us. We won't do that. Okay. First of all, I

won't be a LGBTQ pastor, but people are saying that about me, really

yeah, yeah, yeah, as in, I'm a pastor that supports LGBTQ

and we started the LGBTQ church. Anyway, it starts with G, though

starts with G. There are some churches that accept same sex marriages. I

don't know. By accepting, we mean they're already married, they came to

church. I think that's one matter. But absolutely not conducting and officiating a

same sex marriage. I think that I will not do. Uh, and

I will not do because then that will be directly condoning, entirely agreeing with

the lifestyle, and that I cannot bring myself to do. So that's as

far as my opinion goes. I think, Yeah, No, there are

churches that actually do that that in a sense when you talk about accepting,

what they're actually saying is that they believe that at lgb monogamous lgbt marital relationship

can be glorified to God. And I think it's an absolute abomination. Yeah.

So the difference between pass and is passa andy actually has a filter,

right, I don't, right, So I'll just say it's an abomination.

It is No I know what they call me, Okay, And so Ultimately,

I think it's an absolute abomination because you call yourself church, but don't

you're not bound by the word. One of the ways that the apostle Paul

defines the church is that the church is the pillar and buttress of truth,

which means the church upholds something, and that which it upholds is a truth.

Where does it get that truth from scripture? And the moment that a

church rejects the authority of the word, it is an aposti church. It's

not of God. It may call itself a church, but it might as

well be a church of Satan. I know I'm not mincing my words.

The reason I do that is this there are people that are in those churches

that genuinely are convinced they're going to go to heaven, and you are being

lied to. So I would love for you to open with me to First

Corinthians chapter six, and I want to read verse nine. First Corinthians chapter

six, verse nine, because it starts with important words. Important word do

not be deceived? Right? So First Krinthians six, verse nine, it

says First Corinthian sixty nine, or do you not know that the unrighteous will

not inherit the kingdom? Of God. Do not be deceived. Neither the

sexually moral, nor idolatous, nor adulters, nor men who practice homosexuality.

No thieves, nor a greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swinless

will inherit the Kingdom of God. I mean, is that clear that it

says men who practice homosexuality. Now, if someone wants to question on well,

the Greek word doesn't say homosexuality, I would love to address that.

Yeah, because I've addressed that Christian before. Some say, well, that's

just a misinterpretation of two Greek words mala ko and a saye koita. Bring

that. I would love to address that. If that's our question you have,

please bring that up. But the word day is it practices homosexuality,

and it says that people who do that will not inherit the Kingdom of God.

That's Scripture speaking. That's not my idea, that's New Testament. But

I find something so powerful about what Paul says in verse nine, verse ten,

sorry, verse eleven, and such were some of you. Verse eleven

says and such were some of you. But you were washed, you were

sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord. Jesus Christ and

by the spirit of our God, which means friends the Corinthian Church. Did

they used to have people who used to be gay? Yes? Or no?

Yes? Did they used to have people who were lesbians? Yes?

They is such. By the way, one of the words used in the

Greek there is malachoi. Malakoi means a feminate. Right. They had men

that were feminine in homosexual relationships. There were men that were abusing other men

homosexual relationships. They had them all And Paul says, that's what you used

to be. Such were some of you past tends. But you were washed,

you were sanctified. Your new identity is that of Christ. So Paul

expects that those who are part of this LGBT background to be able to be

transformed just like every other sin. I mean, all of us were said

as Christ founders. And if we can do that to every one of us,

he can do that to the LGBT sins as well. And I think

that's the gospel that we want to preach. All right, I'm gonna address

one of the questions here, or rather one comments, and then go back

to our topic, which is I think someone commented on whether we can delete

irrelevant question is that? Okay? Where did he go? Is? Is

there? Right? Okay? So I think someone commented that we should delete

the irrelevant questions or commands. Can I address that real quick because I think

this will also inform our future sessions. Also, I think for now we

will not be deleting those so called so called irrelevant questions and command I tell

you why. It's because we really really want to promote and open culture.

Uh and and yeah, in open communication, open culture. And almost you

start almost habitually deleting because someone is sitting somewhere and deciding he or herself is

deciding tlation shiputy, I think you will create a problem. Uh and then

it will send the wrong message. So for the sake of protecting the openness

that we currently enjoy so far, I love the protect that if it's okay,

So that means you yourself will have to do yourself censorship. You can

you can ignore that. One way you can do is everybody starts voting for

the questions that are relevant and push it up until like just not, I

actually cannot find the comment anymore. I think somebody that I can't find it

anymore, which is good, But I think we don't want to start deleting

unless unless it's the F word LA, and then you say something like I'm

not handsome LA. Not okay. If you say that to promote open communication,

I will keep it there. Don't worry. It's gonna be fine.

But using F wordler, using cuss words or like really really crude stuff,

then will telete those, because I think we can all agree that that's that's

rude and crude. He said, okay, he said, okay, just

so I can explain why we haven't been deleting. Some of these comments are

okay, and we're cool. And sometimes I don't know, Sometimes people genuinely

want to know why it's handsome, or they genuinely I don't know. I

just have to take it as they have to get it off their chest,

you know, they want to say something, so okay, fine, fine.

You know someone's asking how old is kenji single? How oldly semination?

I don't want to assume that those are nonsense. Maybe someone really wants to

know, like how are you so smart being so young? You know,

So we can releave them there. Whether we answer them or not, it's

another question, all right. Just it's just so that we can promote openness.

Cool, all right, And someone actually said some questions scare me.

Thanks for being honest. It scares me too, way so complete unrelated note.

Yeah, one of the founders of the secularism movement. Well, I

would say it's one of the early forerunners leading up to the secularist movement.

It's a guy by the name of Frederick Nature. Some of you may have

heard of him. Anyone knows that I actually bought a book that he wrote.

Anyone knows the title of the book he wrote, Why am I So

Smart? That's actually the title of that so irrelevant point, but sure,

yeah, yes, sort of related. Okay, homosexuals saved or will they

actually lose their servation if they practice homosexuality to the day they die? I

think we answered it. I think we answered it. And again it's important

because okay, it relates to the next question as I'll just read it so

you can answer it one shot. What if a person who is gay just

decides to be celebrate, are they still in the wrong? So I think

this goes back to when we distinguish and deferentship between the disposition the attraction with

the action the lifestyle. Right, and also it's important to see everyone as

human beings in need of a God right. And so a hethro sexual person

struggling with temptation is no different than someone with a homosexual tendency or attraction.

It's the same temptation. Just like how I'm married and I could be attracted

to another woman. I don't just get to go do it right, which

is pretty much the argument on the other side. Oh it feels good,

it's love, it must be right. No, no, no, but

how can I doesn't apply to me right, So the same way I have

to stay on the straight and narrow path, so will a person who has

same sex attraction. If they want to live godly lives, then they may

choose or they should choose to be celebrate h And you know, of course

the miracle can happen. God can. God can do what he does a

miracle, He can remove the attraction whatever God chooses to do. But yes,

so if a person who is gay, I think we have to qualify

that statement because if if by gay means they are acting on or they practice

the lifestyle, then they're already not celebrate. Or if they practice before let's

say, and then they repent and they stop. I don't think they're in

the wrong. I think they're talking about if let's say you have the disposition

the double one reason. Yeah, but they choose they have the disposition that

they're attracted, but they choose to remain celibate. Yes, I think they

are a saint. Yes. Yes. Do we know people at it?

Yes? Yes, yes, we know people in our personal lives who live

this way. We can name I mean we can well, I don't know

if the person still has those attractions, but I can name the person.

Trifina Law is a very close friend of mine past, the Trifina Law in

fact, she's Her ministry is just publishing a book that the booklet that I

wrote on dealing with Biblical overview on human sexuality. They're publishing it I think

this week, if not next week. But the beautiful thing is that she

shared that she was a practicing lesbian and then that that basically that God gave

her liberation. So the title her ministry is actually called Pursuing Liberty under Christ.

So we have people that we know and we encourage that. Yes,

I'm in the midst of trying to invite her to come and speak to us

and maybe the more and just speak a message, but actually equip us so

that we can be ready as a church to know how to love people from

the LGBTQ community. Should they choose to come and join us and learn about

Jesus together with us? All right? Okay? I hope that those questions

are answered. Someone asked, if we separate church from state and then we

see injustices in society and political corruption, then does the church stay quiet because

church should remain apolitical. Yeah. So anyway, this is probably therefore a

case to not have secularism completely and not not necessarily separate the church from the

state. I don't think it's it should be pursued. But my personal take,

I don't think, well, a church can be bipartisan. That means

you you don't have to support a particular party, so nonpartisan sorry, nonpartisan

or is homosexual bisexual thing? Okay? Nonpartisan? That means a church shouldn't

go out there and say, I think shouldn't opinion individually. If you want

to, you to p peep pep Okay, this up to you. But

the church, no generation, church texts whatever, but it's a national and

we support you know, we start hanging flags. I think we should be

non partisan. But I don't think a church needs to be a political I

mean, if you understood what politics is is my opinion, going up in

Malaysia as a young person, we will never taught politics properly. So I

think that's the real problem, because once you understand politics, you understand politice.

It touches everything we should care about politics, because if you care about

your children, you better care about politics. You better care about what kind

of policies are being made, who's making those policies, are those policies godly

or not? And because it's in your hands right you have, you have

the power to vote, to choose, you can influence what who goes into

government. So I think a church should be political, but not partisans.

I think that's a big difference. Therefore, should a church speak up against

injustice? Of course, it's totally biblical and godly to do so. God

speaks up against injustice. God speaks up for the poor, against those who

who who bully the poor and the widows. So if you ask me,

I think a church should be as political as we need to be, but

nonpartisan. I think it's two different things. I was gonna say this is

that One of the best examples to see this in action is John the Baptist.

John a Baptist is one of the best examples of this because when you

look through the life of John the Baptist, he ends up getting thrown into

prison. Why because he spoke up against the adultery of Herod. Right,

Herod was actually, you know, had married his brother's wife, Phillip's wife.

And so the reason, well, John the Baptist speaks out against Herod

so much that Herod actually, on the request of his wife, herodias throws

him into prison. And you know what was beautiful about that story is the

Bible tells us Herod used to go down to the prison to hear him preach.

When your political condemnation becomes so biblical that even your enemies will come to

hear you speak. They'll throw you, they'll punish you, they will do

all this to you, but they realize that you're not the enemy. They

realize that you care for them. They even come to the prison to hear

you preach. That's what it means to be truly biblically politically inclined. I

think politics is I totally agree it's a misunderstood subject. Politics is a broad

banch of philosophy. It's under the branch of philosophy that deals deals with implementation

of justice. How should we reign or rule in view of our view of

God, in view of man, in view of ethics, all of these

things put together, how do we implement it? Which is why one of

the greatest philosophers of all time, whose name is Plato, what was one

of the most famous books that Plato wrote, Anyone? The republiclic The Republic

deals with what's the nature of politics? Not to be how the wise is

supposed to be leading in the right place. It's all about organizing who goes

where? Now politics is philosophical right today it's become sorry la pasam alamla sadly,

but ultimately I think biblical politics is there. But ultimately, when we

look through the scripture, we find that the Bible is not in favor of

democracy, which I believe in the ultimate sense is more brew. I think

the Bible is teaching theocracy God reigns. Ultimately, Jesus will be the one

to bring that down. Every time the Church has tried to do it,

the Church failed miserably. Right as worry whenever the church gets into power,

it brings about the dark ages, but only Jesus can bring about perfect politics.

But it doesn't stop the church from being from voicing out against bad politics.

Yep, I hope the answers the question. Okay, this is a

big personal fast. Say, for example, your child is the one who

came and say that he or she is trans transsexual. How would you respond

to them? Okay, I'm not sure if my child can tell me it's

transsexual, because that don't mean he would have operated or completely transformed. And

where you got the money from, I don't know unless you call my credit

card. But maybe what you mean is that if my child came to say,

like the identify as identify as trans or like identify as a demigirl or

I am a whatever, right I think you mean that? Wow, this

one is power out this question? Who in fact this is? This is?

This is a question I believe God put on my hand as I was

thinking about starting the church. You may have been there at the early stages

when I said this. When I believe the Lord says plant the church,

that it will welcome everybody, but preach the truth so that they know the

truth and then I had to imagine the people that were walking to church.

And in my mind, maybe it's a vision, maybe it's imagined, I

don't know. By my mind, I see cross dresses walking into the hall,

transgenders walking in through a hall, and and but no one's staring,

and no one is judging, and we're all just worshiping Jesus together, and

they are there, they feel at home. And then the word of God

is preached in truth with passion. There was the picture, and I actually

responded in this I don't know this dialogue I had. I think it's we've

got I say, God, I'm not ready for that. I if that's

what church is gonna have to be, I'm not ready for that. I

don't know how to do this. I don't know if I can actually like

not stay and judge. And how do I do it? I don't know

how to do this? And I feel I heard this voice saying I will

show you how. I will show you how. And I'm like God,

but how? And then I had another flesh of imagination, and this imaginin

is a bit more close to home where it was put to me to imagine

maybe my own child or my own brother, and this way the rumor started.

It was a vision and now people are sharing that my brother is gay.

And I found out who was spraying a rumor. I spoke to him,

already your sorry, sorry shorty, I'm miss hurt. I'm like,

what to do? Is ready? Don't spreading to don't know where real are

moricius or something. But but I was sharing this imagination, this vision,

and I felt a lot saying like what if your own child, what if

your own brother, your own family member is identifies as one of the algibutic

comedy. And that's why I That's where I realized, you know what,

when it's your when it's that close to you, are you have no choice,

you know, you have no choice but to find a way to love

his own brother, your own child. But in the same vein, because

it's my own brother, own child, I will do everything I can in

my power to fight it right, but ultimately is their choice. So it

would there would be this this tension between love and justice, love and truth.

But I became a bit more ready to start the church when I realized,

yeah, when it's my own child, I will know how And that

there was God's way of saying when you start the church and it just becomes

your family and people start coming, you will know how. You will know

how. And on that confidence that, on that grace of God, I

said, Okay, let's start generations and be ready for that. So if

my son really comes, I will tell you now, I will be I

don't know what to do. Call and explain, Call explain, externational co

pass the triphina. I don't know. I'll be heartbroken to when I first

hear the news. It all depends how what age the boy is also the

girl. Right, If they're like eight years old and tell me that,

I was like, I don't think they really understand what they're saying. They

probably heard it from school, or maybe they watch the video. I'll have

conversations with them. But if they're eighteen or twenty two and say that,

I think, you know, I want to choose the film path. I'll

do everything I can as a father to say, really, is really what

you want? Can I tell you what the Bible say? I'll do that

with love. But ultimately I do think I have to surrender to a certain

extent, uh, and I trust God to do to work a miracle,

because really, what can I do lock him up. Sending to jail?

What what like sending to an island? But there's only girls. You've been

reading Thomas Aquinas, why not? I mean, not leave the island.

I don't. I shouldn't say that. Now they think they're all context.

All your past is adultress. Oh okay. It will be a very tough

situation. But I will practice the same thing I said earlier. Even if

it's my own son, I will. I will stand on truth because it's

my own son. I'll our wrestle, our, wrestle, wrestle till I

cannot wrestle no more. But still sure my own son or daughter that I

love them so much that I want them to experience the love of God.

Yeah. Cool, it's okay, five thirty one and a million questions.

Let's go. So you're keep voting, okay, So they get pushed up

the questions that really wants needs to be answered. So someone says, if

I have a lying problem, He said, this is a salvation question.

Again. If I have a lying problem, to the D I die.

Am I not saved? If it is no, you go ahead. Yeah,

yeah, I would say that if you have a lying problem, which

means you know that lying is wrong, but you continuously do it even though

you know is wrong. You should start to question your salvation. Now.

Look, what I'm not saying is you're not saved. I didn't say you're

not saved. I said you should start to question your salvation. Why the

Bible says in First John, he who is born of God does not make

a habit of sitting right, That's what scripture says. I'm not there to

be the judge and say whether you're saved or not. Jesus will do that.

All I can say is if you question your salvation now, and you

go back to God and say what's wrong, and you go back to God

in repentance and say, God help me, I do have this problem.

Change me and he changes you. Great. But if you are unrepentant about

it and it doesn't bother you one bit, then please, you have reason

to fear. I'll be a liar if I told you it's all okay,

No, no worry. Jesus died for your sins, past, present,

future. Just go and sin as much as you want and He'll be okay.

I'll be a lion, I'll be held accomfortable God for God to God

for saying such things, and I won't right if you have. If you

notice you make a habit of sinning, and it is something you knowingly,

do you have reason to be afraid. Go and turn to God in repentance.

He will give you comfort. Notice what I'm not saying and your sinning,

so that you are saved. Never said that. What I said is

go to God that he may create in you. So when David's sin,

he makes it God's problem. You know what David did when he said,

goes to God and says, create in me a clean heart or Lord,

he makes it God's problem. Make it God's problem. But don't live comfortable

with it. If you are not at war with sin, you are at

war with God. If you're at war with God, you at peace with

sin. Right, So it's one way or the other. You can only

have peace with God and war with sin, or peace with sin and war

with God. Let us let our peace be with God. Let's always be

at war with our sins. In fact, I just add this this one

thing, one of the most Did I share this before be angry and do

not sin? Do not let the sun go down on your anger? Did

I share Have I sheard that here you have you heard the passage in scripture

that says, be angry and do not sin, do not let the sun

that was in the Greek. Go ahead, You're gonna say something. Oh

no, no, no, go ahead, yeah in in in pass Andy

knows what I'm about to say. In the Greek. Some people think that

that passage means settle your issues before nightfall. The Bible says this is an

efficients for something or five something I can't remember, four or five. It

says, be angry and do not sin, do not let the sun set

on your anger. People think it means settle your issues before nightfall. Doesn't

say that. In the Greek. Be angry is a command, be angry

and don't sin. In other words, our sins ought to enrage you so

much that we stop sitting. In fact, it goes on to say don't

let your son, don't let the sun go down on your anger, which

is a reference to an Old Testament battle where Joshua says to the sun,

you stay still until I destroy. Yeah, thank you. There's ephicians for

twenty six. Be angry and do not sin, do not let the sun

go down on your anger. Joshua says to the sun, be still until

I've destroyed the enemy. Don't set until I've destroyed my enemies. The apostle

Paul is drawing that battle seed metaphor to tell us, don't settle with your

sin until you've destroyed it. Don't let the sun go down on that anger.

You stay angry until you've put it to death. Mortify the sin.

Next verse says, what does the next verse say, and give no opportunity

to the devil? Awesome? Okay, all right? Great um. In

Genesis six wig, it's mentioned God regretted that he made men on earth.

How how did the author know what God was thinking? You got to address

that God told him. Now there's a passage. Now, so is he

asking about what's the meaning of regret? Or how did I think he's asking?

How did the author know that what God was thinking to say that,

to say that God regret it? Yeah, well, let's let's go to

First Samuel fifteen. We see an example of similar language, but in fir

Samuel fifteen, God actually shows the explains it to the prophet. So it's

got the First Samuel fifteen, No, not one fifteen, but First Samuel

chapter fifteen and I want you to see when the Lord comes to Saul,

what does the Lord say? So the Lord speaks to Samuel, and this

is what the Lord says to Samuel. Right, worse ten? Can we

have worse? Ten? Up? Please for Samuel? Fifteen Verse ten all

right, word, if the Lord came to Samuel next worse, I regret

that I have made Saul king, for he has turned back from following me

and has not performed my commandments. So God actually says to Samuel that I

regret. So now Samuel is gonna go to Paul. Well, it's gonna

go to Saul, not Paul. Goodness, I'm getting confused. He's gonna

go to Saul and says that he's going to tell him that God does not

regret. Actually, so I want you to go to Now what worse is

that that was? If you find it, let me know what it is.

This is in Worse for Samuel fifteen. Samuel will go and say the

Lord is not a man that he should regret. Oh, what's twenty nine

verse twenty nine? Wor'se twenty nine? Yeah? And he says, now

this is Samuel speaking to Sault. So God told Samuel he regrets Samuel is

going to go to Saul and say, also, the glory of Israel will

not lie or have regret. Sorry, Samuel, didn't God just tell you

you regret? He regretted, Yes, but he means it in a different

sense. Right. If you want to discuss how is it that God regrets

on the one hand, but does not regret in another hand, we can

have an entire discussion on that. I've done a bit of a work on

this. So he says, the glory of isnil, we'll not lie and

have regret, which means in the ultimate sense, God's plans will stand.

But when God speaks to Samuel, he's expressing that he has this sense of

just complete disgust for what Saul did. And at the end of the chapter,

if you go to the end of the chapter, the last words the

very last verse, verse thirty five, and Samuel did not see Saul again

until the day of his death. But Samuel grieved Oversaull, and the Lord

regretted that he had made Saul king over Israel. Your question is how did

how did they know that God regretted? Well, same way that for Samuel.

Fifteen thirty five tells us God regretted. God told the prophet directly he

regretted. So I think that that will be the short answer to that question.

Yeah. So I'm looking at time and look at the questions. I

just feel like we wish, we wish we had unlimited time to todays.

And I'm thinking, you know, how, how better can we do this?

Maybe a podcast one day? Maybe maybe this God he used to do

this God right once a month and answer questions for two hours, uh,

sometimes longer, I don't know. Yeah, yeahs as the Lord keeps us

resources, well we'll do more. We'll do more stuff like that, all

right, because on a Saturday like this and so many questions because I feel

like I want to answer them all but I can't. But I do want

to answer this one. And maybe we've got time for two or three more

and we can do some rapid fire ones. This is not quite related to

the topic per se, but it's related to what we've spoken about so far.

So it says here, if if church, and I will assume that

you're you're referring to this church. Yeah, if church is supposed to be

welcoming to all, what can you do to be more welcoming? Now?

Because I haven't felt welcome. Is it my fault or the churches? Who?

Who are you here? Please stand up? Like? Ah, I

don't. I really don't know whose fault it is, because it could be

the church's fault. If it's something we can do about it and haven't done,

is it your fault? I won't go as farst to say that,

because what did you do or not do that? Maybe your fault? Right?

Is it not a fault? Maybe it's not a fault thing. Now

I would say this, I would say this. First of all, I'm

so sorry that you have felt not welcome in this church. I don't know

what happened, and that's not our intention. We never want anyone to feel

unwelcome here. Secondly, I wish I can know what we can do better

for you for you, because once again, there is no one blanket answer.

I don't know if you're an introvert or an extrovert. I don't know

if you came to church and want no one to talk to you, because

that's not why you came to chest for there are people at that. If

you're talking to me, ah, please don't talk to me. I just

came to worship Jesus. And if we do that, because we assume that

that's how we make people feel welcome, for you, you'll be very big

turn off, right for the extrovert who loves people and no one talks to

you. Ah, you feel it, You're like, how comes in my

face? Is my just seeing why? Well? You want to talk to

me? But it's impossible to know. And that's why that's why we try

to work so hard to have an open culture where I hope it's safe in

our space for you. Just come and tell someone you're comfortable telling. You

can come and tell me. If you're not comfortable telling me, tell someone

that can feed back to me and say, the reason I don't feel welcome

in this church is because dot dot, because no one talked to me,

because too many people talk to me, because my questions always don't get answered.

It could be that I don't feel we come acasso they never bring my

questions, or you don't feel welcome because you don't get your favorite seats,

or you know, people keep forgetting your name. They talk to you,

but they keep asking you if you're new here, and it's your you've been

here for a year. I don't know what the reason is. But number

one, I'm sorry you feel that way. Number Two, I really wish

I knew how to because once I know, I'll do everything I can to

do that because I don't think it's your fault, and I'm not sure if

it's just just for if we don't know what it is. But yeah,

it pains me to hear this feedback, but I want to do something about

it. So if you're here and you ask the question, could you help

us help you and others who may be like you so that we can do

something about it? Is that all right? Thank you? All your responses

to questions in the lgbt context applies to anyone leaving out a sinful lifestyle,

correct, So, yes, we've been saying that if you leave that lifestyle

you act upon it, then that's wrong. And the question here is if

so, if it's just refers to people who live out their lifestyle, and

that's wrong, and that's what we are against. Why do we give LGBTQ

such special treatment? Why are we talking about it so much? Love to

address this, let me, let me, let me deal with this.

In thirty seconds, were looking at the clock. That simple reason activism,

activism sexually. Adultery is pornography, is why don't we talk as much about

that? Do you see a movement to say, let's ordain past us who

addicted upon Do you see a movement that says we want to ordain past us

who adulter us too? Do you see a movement saying we want to ordain

past us for thieves? You don't, it's wrong. Everyone knows it's wrong.

But when it comes to LGBTQ, there's an activism that says we must

ordain even past us who. Okay, that's why twenty seconds, twenty five

seconds, all right, great activism is the answer. Yes, And also

politically, it's also sipping into education and because to promote their lifestyle you have

to go all the way back to what is a man or a woman?

If you teach kids that you can choose your gender and stuff like that,

so you go, it goes all the way to that. And that's why

it's so important. That's why it's not because it's the biggest sin. No,

and not because that you know, God's more interested in this topic,

is not. So it's just because there is a very active movement to promote

it, and it's sipping into like education and family systems and politics and governments

and things like that. And that's why it's we need to speak up also,

which is why I said number four, I'm at war with the agenda.

I'm at war with the LGBT agenda. It's the activism I'm at war

with. That's why keep bringing it up. Which is one of the questions

to you, like why you're so against the agenda which you have already mentioned,

because it's the greatest editor of the person. It normalizes the condition.

If if if you had a movement of people that said, well cancer is

okay, don't fight it, don't white treat it, embrace cancer, lifestyle

doctors will be up in the hums. You know. It's like, what's

going on, You're harming people. That's what it is. Is that when

people say COVID is nothing exactly, just drink warm water and and and if

you don't speak up against it or something like that, then then that that

message is perpetuated in and when it comes to cancer and covid, those are

things that affect your temporal condition. Friends, This affects your eternal condition.

Yes, okay, okay, I know we should fight it. But have

you heard of people at Brendan Roberson have you? I haven't. Yes.

If we try to reach out to Brandan to get a dialogue with him as

well, great. Uh. They spread the idea that the Bible can be

wrong, and you know, and how do you respond? Easy? That's

what we call progressive Christianity. And here's the thing. Progressive Christianity is neither

progressive, not Christianity. Uh, it's it's rehashing all ideas back again.

It's a total and utter rejection of God's word, which makes the question why

call it Christian? Right? So, Brendan Robertson doesn't believe the Bible is

the infallible word of God, and so he believes Paul was, you know,

a bit off. Everyone's a bit off. Basically, these guys are

the ultimate authority. Scripture is God's word only if it agrees with them,

and a moment that scripture contradicts them, it's no longer God work, God's

word friends the real God, and that entire narrative is them themselves. They

get to decide what is God's word and what is not. Yeah. So,

by the way, Brendan Robertson did a debate with Durbin got absolutely destroyed,

tried to do it with Trent Horn, got destroyed all over again.

So he honestly there was once he was actually I don't know how many of

you watched this video of Brendan Robertson. He was actually saying spouting blasphemy and

saying, well, you know what, God accepts elga And there was a

lightning sound in his own entire system when black. How many of you saw

that on YouTube? And if you saw that there was a lightning strike his

entire system when black, you can look up that and look that up in

YouTube. As he's spouting blasphemy, there was a lightning strike. Okay,

yeah, and yeah. Another response to how do we respond to people a

bend or represent name podcasts, The Christianity is doing this, doing this,

I think, I think the church has a responsibility and guilty to teach the

word of God, to be faithful to the world of God, faithful to

the Bible. And we do the best we can. We do the best

we can and uh, and that's why this is so important for our church,

and that's why we have sessions like this and we'll find other ways as

well to really know God's Word all right. Thank you for listening to the

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