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Reach - Exiting the Liminal Space | On The Threshold - Part 1

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  1. Mark how much I thank you rich. Thank you, thank you, thank

  2. Simon, bless you for that. Oh it's so good to see you all

  3. on this new year and given that this is the first time that I am

  4. also seeing you all happy New Year to you on behalf of

  5. Stephen. I and the kids, it's, we had

  6. last Sunday off, which was nice, so but it's, you know, have

  7. Missed being here. So it's it's good to be here

  8. with you all and indeed all of you online as well.

  9. I realized that with without kids work and youth work this

  10. morning. Many, many families are at home

  11. at the moment as rich. And Jenna communicated earlier,

  12. it's due to lack of being able to provide those Services, we

  13. all know the place that we're in, at the moment with many

  14. people having covid and many in isolation.

  15. And so do to staff and volunteer absences were unable to do so.

  16. But the idea is that next Sunday, Things will be back to

  17. normal. Whatever normal looks like these

  18. days and don't answer back, which I don't know about you but

  19. I think that's a good thing. I'm not sure my waistline would

  20. agree but certainly looking forward to Donuts so and of

  21. course kids work next week but worth reminding.

  22. You all that youth are meeting this evening at 6:30.

  23. Well, I got to say that was just such a wonderful time of

  24. worship. It's just so good to be together

  25. and worship God and to hear God's voice because Jenna

  26. reminded us. God is always speaking.

  27. God is a god that is always speaking.

  28. It's not a question of if he speaks.

  29. The question is, are we listening?

  30. And I think it's a healthy reminder at the start of a year,

  31. particularly to say, are we listening to what God has for

  32. us? And that is the thread that I

  33. want to pick up this morning. I'm just so grateful to richer

  34. gathered our executive Pastor who just did such a superb job

  35. last week of. Yeah, let's give risk of rich

  36. and Applause. Bless you, brother, travel was

  37. down to speak. But blessed, Trevor, he he came

  38. down with covid. So I think you and I had a

  39. conversation with probably Friday before the Sunday said

  40. rich or up, and we had a quick chat and it was just such a

  41. wonderful talk based on Isaiah 43, about the forgetting, the

  42. form of things and getting ready for the new things that God has.

  43. And that was, of course, what Paul shared earlier with us as

  44. well. And I would encourage you.

  45. If you missed that told you can of course, watch it.

  46. Now in most Two places on YouTube, on Facebook, on our

  47. phone, our smartphone app. So if you miss that, do do watch

  48. that. And so, what I'm going to do is

  49. actually continue on from last week as I do, as Richard said,

  50. open up with a new series that has yet to be Untitled.

  51. I think I might give that title, the end of the series, or maybe

  52. I'll open up the competition. Give me the name of the time for

  53. that on a postcard, and send it through.

  54. There we go. And you get a prize.

  55. What do you win? Good question, I don't know,

  56. maybe lunch with Richard or something, that'd be nice,

  57. wouldn't it? There you go Rich.

  58. You know, I was really grateful on Thursday, I caught up with

  59. Chris Birch Evans, many of you know, he's a member Katelin, the

  60. family, a member of the church and he leads step as well, which

  61. you might know stepping. Now housed in our building,

  62. which has been so great. And not, not only is Chris, a

  63. very good friend of mine for a long.

  64. But he's a colleague in the ministry and I know I'm going to

  65. embarrass him stay in this. But someone with whom, I respect

  66. greatly is a Godly Man. A lot of wisdom and I was

  67. respect his counsel and he and I sat down for the first time in

  68. the year when we talked about what God has been doing and how

  69. we feel about the year ahead. And I rather I don't know

  70. downloaded dumped on him really, how I was feeling.

  71. It's nice to have people that you can do that with and I said,

  72. you know what, Chris I feel Funny, if I'm honest, I feel if

  73. I'm honest disorientated, I just don't know where I'm at.

  74. Anyone feel a little bit disorientated.

  75. There's a few yeses in the room. You know, last year, you know,

  76. the first year of covid, it seemed to, you know, we had the

  77. lockdown in March, the weather was amazing, that, you know, and

  78. then the second year, I don't know where it went, it just

  79. disappeared. And I don't know where I'm at.

  80. If should feel like I should be in June or something.

  81. I don't know, we've just had Christmas.

  82. I said I just don't know how I'm feeling and I said to him, I get

  83. this sense that we're on the verge of something.

  84. It's like I know something's about to happen but I don't

  85. quite know what it is. I kind of know, we've left

  86. something but I don't know what we going to, anybody feel that?

  87. I know that normal is not coming back.

  88. How many times we heard that phrase, but I don't know what

  89. the new normal is. I mean, isn't that a paradox

  90. anyway and you normal I mean this is an oxymoron I think is

  91. the word isn't And I kept just blessed Chris.

  92. He's such a good listener. He listened to me going on and

  93. on and all of a sudden he got up off the sofa and meter Mark.

  94. Oh, do you have a gun? An offended him?

  95. And he walks to the door and he opens the door and he goes and

  96. steps out on my own grunt. How many years have I known you?

  97. Kristen you, you're just walking out on me and he stops this is.

  98. Do you know what this is? And he puts his foot over the

  99. doorway. and what I could see was where the two carpets joins

  100. the wise I said, oh, it's a seam anyway, No, no, it's not a CE

  101. Mark. It's a liminal.

  102. This is what, what? What said?

  103. It's called a liminal. It's a threshold.

  104. A liminal is the space in between this place and that

  105. place. And you're talking about the

  106. liminal space. It's like whoa, whoa.

  107. Tell me more I said no. Go Google it.

  108. So, I did. Because okay, I don't embarrass

  109. you don't have your hands up if you don't want to how many knows

  110. who knows what a liminal is? You see not Sally knows one

  111. person. Right.

  112. Come on. You're up your preaching.

  113. I didn't know what a liminal was.

  114. Would you like to know what a liminal is?

  115. The definition. Liminal comes from the Latin

  116. lemon. Which means on the threshold.

  117. A liminal space is a transitional space.

  118. A space where we move from what we had known to the unknown.

  119. From a place, listen to this of relative Comfort to a place of

  120. uncertainty. Moving from a place war from.

  121. Well, we used to do it like this to a place of how we're going to

  122. do it now. It's a place of routine and

  123. certainty to a place of uncertainty.

  124. Who feels like they might be in the liminal space.

  125. Welcome. And so much credit and thanks to

  126. Chris Birch Evans for for that liminal word because that really

  127. has opened up and given me some language, not just to articulate

  128. how I am feeling, but actually to articulate, what I sensed the

  129. Lord is doing and saying to us as a church.

  130. Now, Richard did an amazing job last week of giving us a lens

  131. individually of how we see the year ahead and challenging us to

  132. say, you know what, yes, God's got a plan for everybody.

  133. But just don't forget, he's also got a plan for you.

  134. And I was so blessed by that talk because it gave me a way in

  135. which I could look at this year and say, okay Lord.

  136. What have you got for me? What are those amazing?

  137. New things that you've got? But what I'm going to do over

  138. the next few weeks, as is my privilege to do as a senior

  139. pastor, is to say where we're going as a church.

  140. What is God is doing in this season?

  141. And in this moment, and in this time, You know, another good

  142. example, if you're still trying to figure out a liminal space is

  143. an airport, did you know that an airport is a liminal space makes

  144. sense, right? You enter the liminal and you

  145. about to get on a flight to another place or you arrive and

  146. you enter the liminal who's here has watched that great Tom Hanks

  147. movie Terminal anybody yet what a good movie Tom Hanks enters

  148. the liminal space. And what happens?

  149. He arrives from, I think it's some fictitious European country

  150. into New York and they refused his Visa bit like Novak

  151. Djokovic. But for other reasons, this was

  152. pre covid. And essentially he didn't put

  153. him up in a hotel, he has to stay in the terminal because he

  154. refuses to go back. And in that place, he picks up

  155. new skills. He starts Plastering the walls

  156. at night because the workmen have left that stuff.

  157. He decides, he wants to learn English.

  158. And so he goes to the book shops, and, and gets the diction

  159. English dictionary and learned the language.

  160. And because it's a Hollywood movie at the end of it, he gets

  161. the girl. By the way, FYI, I'm not

  162. suggesting for you, single people out there that you're

  163. necessarily going to get the guy or the girl next week.

  164. But you might do this might be your year, if that's what you're

  165. looking for, but Tom Hanks, you see exits the liminal space,

  166. very different, man, he speaks a new language.

  167. He has new skills. He has a new girl.

  168. He has a completely different future than when he entered the

  169. liminal space. FYI, that applies to us as a

  170. church, that our future looks very different because of the

  171. liminal space that we have been in.

  172. And so, what I want to do for the remainder of this talk is

  173. unpack what that looks like for us and what God has been doing.

  174. There's a guy called Andrew Meyers, he's the advisor for

  175. spirituality and a parish priest and the Diocese of the tissue of

  176. Chichester. And he writes this In entering

  177. liminal space, you leave behind your former ideals and

  178. conventions, that status quo, the ordinary routines inherited

  179. mindsets. You also leave behind your

  180. safety zone, you exit, your place of security you step out

  181. into a space where you will see things differently, where your

  182. worldview might be shattered, where your existing priorities

  183. might be turned up side down. Who's up for that?

  184. In only a few, I'll give you more time and I won't stay in

  185. such a jovial way, who's up for that.

  186. Yes, you have you are and some of those words you know I love

  187. Lissa's word. You know doing a new thing.

  188. Are we ready? And she said I felt like this is

  189. a corporate word. Let's look at Israel and that's

  190. where Richard took us to last week.

  191. And as I said, I want to carry on from looking at Isaiah.

  192. You see, Israel entered the liminal space, many a Time.

  193. Didn't they if you think about it?

  194. They escaped for they let go from Egypt.

  195. And they're in the liminal space and they get to what the Red

  196. Sea. They are on the cusp of

  197. something. What about when they get past

  198. that and they get on to the border of the promised land

  199. there, they are in a liminal space than they about to enter

  200. something new. What about when they mess that

  201. up and they then have to go into the Wilderness for 40 years?

  202. The liminal space can be a long time.

  203. I mean, Moses was on the backside of the desert for a

  204. long time. The liminal space.

  205. And then fast forward many years.

  206. And Israel are in Exile in Babylon.

  207. Where are they for 70 years in the liminal space.

  208. Now, the liminal space is not a space by accident.

  209. It's a place and a space that God puts you on purpose.

  210. It's a place where he does his deepest work, it's the place of

  211. fruit-bearing. It's the place of preparation,

  212. it's the place where we run done in his presence.

  213. And so with that, let's let's look at this story of those guys

  214. in Babylon. Let's look at Isaiah 43 when you

  215. turn with me and we're going to look at 16 to 19.

  216. As I said, this is what Richard looked at last week.

  217. In fact, I think we do 18 to 19 God said to the Jews.

  218. Remember not the former things nor consider the things of old.

  219. What is, what is God? Fair into he is referring to the

  220. amazing things that God did when he got them out of Egypt, when

  221. he parted the sea. God is saying, listen, you're in

  222. the liminal space, the exit point is not backwards, it's

  223. forward. The exit point of the liminal

  224. space is not what it used to be. It's what it's going to be next.

  225. Now, God is not saying, hey, forget that.

  226. That was rubbish, actually, sorry, my mistake.

  227. I didn't do a very good job there.

  228. He's not saying, hey, don't praise me for that.

  229. What he's saying is listen. Don't think that.

  230. What comes next is what I did before.

  231. What comes next is a new thing. What comes next is even more

  232. amazing. And it goes on, behold.

  233. I am doing a worked new thing. Say it again, new thing.

  234. Now it Springs forth. Do you not perceive it?

  235. I will make a way in the wilderness and rivers in the

  236. desert. You see, when we're in the

  237. liminal space, it looks like we're in the place of wilderness

  238. because all of our comfort all of what our routine, all of us.

  239. If T seems to have been Stripped Away.

  240. And we feel like we're in the wilderness.

  241. And we say what now, God what? Now what now?

  242. But God says it's springing forth up saving.

  243. You see, that is an invitation to say, Lord, would you show me?

  244. That is an invitation by God to ask.

  245. Lord, what are you doing? Do you not perceive it?

  246. I have been hanging on this question for over a.

  247. I don't know how long saying Lord.

  248. I don't, I'll be honest with you.

  249. I am not about to give you the answer to the new thing this

  250. morning. If you wish, you may leave now.

  251. If you're online, maybe you've logged off your nose.

  252. But I am telling you that I'm committed to asking the question

  253. or answer in that Lord, what is it?

  254. What is it that you're doing? And that's what God is looking

  255. for us to have a posture of expectancy to say?

  256. What does he look like, Lord. And so let's look at Israel

  257. because as I said, there's some things we can learn, you know,

  258. that the church has much in common with Israel, of course,

  259. the church is distinct from Israel.

  260. The church. Can I just be clear, has not

  261. replaced Israel. We've been grafted-in.

  262. Yes, we refer to as spiritual Israel, but God said, as a plan

  263. for his people, Israel. There's some very dangerous

  264. theology called replacement theology that says God's

  265. forgotten about them. That's not the case.

  266. He has a plan for his church. Has a plan, a dispensation for

  267. Israel, but there is much in common with the Israeli Old

  268. Testament that we can learn from and I want to look at that.

  269. You see, Israel was on a journey to enter into the promises of

  270. God. We are on a journey to enter

  271. into the promises of God. Israel was on a journey, to

  272. establish the, what physical kingdom of God.

  273. We his church Or on a journey, to establish the spiritual

  274. kingdom of God, right there here and not.

  275. Yet our kingdom theology. That we have been called to

  276. extend the kingdom of God, in word and deed.

  277. Yes. This is Vineyard 101, right

  278. guys. We are here to bring his light

  279. Into Darkness. We are in a spiritual battle who

  280. knows that to be the case, Good news.

  281. You're on The Winning Side. Well done.

  282. Israel was on a journey to demonstrate the glory of God to

  283. all the surrounding Nations. We are on a journey to

  284. demonstrate the person of Jesus to everyone around us.

  285. Israel was on a mission, the church is called to the Great

  286. Commission. Listen, Israel wasn't a social

  287. club. The church is not a social club.

  288. The church does not exist for an insular purpose.

  289. The church exists for out there. The church exists y to save

  290. Souls. We are on a rescue mission.

  291. You've been great. You've been drafted in by Jesus

  292. to rescue lost souls Listen, I want us to have a good time

  293. here. I love it.

  294. But if you think that you come to church just to have a good

  295. time then I'm afraid you don't know what church is.

  296. The Church of Jesus Christ is on a mission.

  297. The Great Commission to make Christ known to make disciples

  298. of all Nations. Listen, the Titanic is going

  299. down and we got to get people on the Lifeboat.

  300. And that Lifeboat is a person called Jesus.

  301. Let's not play games here, guys. Let's not play games, people's,

  302. Eternal souls are at stake and just as Israel was on a journey.

  303. So, is his church globally on a journey to make Christ known.

  304. I'm blessed to have Chris Lane, Chris and flips are found in

  305. pastures. Why did they leave everything?

  306. Can and decide to set up a new church in their Lounge room.

  307. Because of the call to make Christ known.

  308. We're still on that mission. It hasn't changed.

  309. Yes, it will look different. But that's what we're about.

  310. To make Christ known. But I believe that we've been in

  311. the liminal space Church. We have been in the liminal

  312. space for the past couple of years, not by accident, not by

  313. chance. But because God has placed us

  314. there for a reason because he's about to do something new.

  315. Because he's saying to us, listen what went before you was

  316. amazing but forget it. I'm not going to do that again.

  317. I'm going to do something new. That's not to discredit the

  318. past. That's not to say that doesn't

  319. count because God builds upon the victories and the triumphs

  320. and the hard worn, one ground that was taken.

  321. But he does something new. God is not the god of the past.

  322. Thank you. I used to work in Boots.

  323. The chemist, I'm not talking five years ago.

  324. When I was about 17 18, I used to work in EM field in Boots in

  325. the camera Department. I loved it there on Saturdays

  326. isil of selling cameras, but I also used to like taking

  327. people's 35 millimeter films and he remembers those.

  328. Hey, no digital. Then yes, I am that old.

  329. I like to love it because he's taken and people used to come in

  330. with their Tans. I've just been on holiday.

  331. I would like to develop my photos, please.

  332. No problem. And so we used to put it in the

  333. thing, fill it in and then put it in the tray and then behind

  334. us would be the lab. I always wanted to work in the

  335. lab but I wasn't allowed. I just took people's money.

  336. And I see you'd have people in the lab illustrative purposes.

  337. I'm going to stand here, this is the lab, this is the counter and

  338. the guy would be there with his white gloves on obviously and he

  339. would get the film and he would put it into this machine.

  340. It was very large. Very dark in there.

  341. But the dark is where the magic happened.

  342. Because at the end all these photos will come out and yes we

  343. do look at your photos. Can I just say we do a good job

  344. for digital cameras now, hey with everyone wants to put them

  345. on Facebook so I think more people see them now than ever.

  346. But we, you know, at the very end, what was this round thing?

  347. Came out and there was glorious, picture and colors.

  348. Can I just tell you the liminal spaces like that process in

  349. machine? It's the dark place where God

  350. does the processing of your lives and what comes out, is

  351. something extraordinary. It is a picture of what God's

  352. going to do next, Who's excited as me.

  353. Good to have you. So what I want to do in the oh

  354. wow, that was introduction. Would you keep ask my water

  355. there, please? Thank you, just just there.

  356. Thank you. Thanks for the coffee.

  357. Thank you very much. What I want to do in the short

  358. amount of space that obviously have left.

  359. I want to look at some specifics around what I feel the Lord has

  360. done to us as a people in the liminal space.

  361. And because I came up with a list of probably more than 10,

  362. you'll be pleased to know. I'm only going to do three this

  363. morning and if you're wondering, I'm going to speak on next week.

  364. Well, the liminal space. There you go.

  365. So let's start with my list and we can see this in the life of

  366. Israel, but we can also see this in our life as well.

  367. So let's ask the question. What does God do in the liminal

  368. space or more importantly, what has God been doing to us as a

  369. church in the liminal space? Here's the first one.

  370. He's been sifting and Gathering. Sifting and Gathering, you know,

  371. throughout Israel's Journey. The liminal space always

  372. represented a time where the hearts of men and women were

  373. exposed and where God presented individuals with a choice to who

  374. they would follow. That was always, The question in

  375. front of Israel when they got the liminal space.

  376. Let's look therefore at the Babylonian Babylonian exile.

  377. Due to Disobedience there in the Bap, in Babylon for 70 years as

  378. prophesied. And there comes a time where,

  379. you know, Persia overthrows Babylon.

  380. So we've got now, Persia King, Cyrus, Says right.

  381. You know what, guys? Bang on 70 years.

  382. FYI off you go, you can go go back to Israel.

  383. Now you would expect that everyone below where you can go

  384. back. The church doors are open so I

  385. did I say no, I didn't mean that.

  386. I mean everything go back to normal.

  387. I want that. Yes.

  388. Did you know that only 50,000 went back out of tons?

  389. The majority didn't want to go back.

  390. The majority had got comfortable in Exile.

  391. He's quite comfortable, actually, I quite like it.

  392. My week is completely different. Now I can do this so and such I

  393. don't have to serve, I don't have to sacrifice, I don't have

  394. to prioritize God in in this or that way.

  395. Because what I can do is I can just be You see in the liminal

  396. space, god presents you with the choice.

  397. Do you know me? I love what Chris said earlier.

  398. I've write all of these down. Jesus himself was with them and

  399. we sang you or saying you saying online Jesus, that you are

  400. everything, you're all I need. Do we mean that?

  401. Is that is the choice as always presented to us in the liminal

  402. space. And some people have said, I

  403. don't want to go back to Israel. Now, I want to be very careful

  404. in how I position this and say this.

  405. There are some that I'm not talking about physically in this

  406. building. By the way I'm talking about

  407. people that said, I'm part of a church and I'm on a mission and

  408. I want to serve and I will get involved.

  409. I know many of you I've spoken to who aren't back yet.

  410. And I understand that for many reasons, it could be the you're

  411. isolating, the you're sick, you're not comfortable yet.

  412. That's fine. But you would say, you know

  413. what, I'm part of the state of a Vineyard I'm committed.

  414. But I do know many who have fallen away.

  415. I'm afraid said, you know what? This liminal space has showed me

  416. that I don't need Church. You know what?

  417. I've got YouTube now. We may laugh but this is truth.

  418. Guys church now, it doesn't need to be a place anymore.

  419. It doesn't. It doesn't need to be a body of

  420. people. I can find amazing worship

  421. online. I can find amazing talks.

  422. That's church for me. And people have said, you know

  423. what, I'm not up for being part of a church that's moving

  424. forward and going to make Christ known and people have fallen

  425. away. It's true.

  426. I'm reminded as I was worshipping of Gideon.

  427. What happened with the story of Gideon, God said, I want you to

  428. go and I wanted to go and do something amazing.

  429. It was Conquering the Philistines I believe and Gideon

  430. had these loads of people around him and I said, Nana Nana, just

  431. wait and through a process. Of things like, go get some

  432. water and said, write, all those that bent down than or in there

  433. was another and by the end of it, there was less than when he

  434. started. Because now, you're ready.

  435. What was that shifting in the liminal space?

  436. God was looking for those that were committed, but equally God.

  437. Gathers in the liminal space. I'm just so grateful to God of

  438. the new people that have come to st.

  439. Albans Vineyard because they've been seeking and searching.

  440. You forgot. I'm I found God.

  441. I know many of you have found Us online.

  442. And you're saying, you know what?

  443. I never really worked closely with or, but when the liminal

  444. space here or covid here, I realized that I needed God and

  445. you see God is sifting and he's Gathering to getting us ready

  446. for the next Conquest, that's about to happen.

  447. Why would he do that? Let me give you a few reasons.

  448. Number one to bring Unity, God isn't is looking for a church

  449. that had United under his Spirit.

  450. You know there's a blessing that comes with unity of purpose and

  451. of mine. Did you know that?

  452. This is a famous verse. I know I've said it many times

  453. before. Psalm 133, 1 2, 3 behold, how

  454. good and pleasant it is. When Brothers dwell in unity, it

  455. is like the precious oil on the head running down on the bed on

  456. the bed of Aaron, who was a priest running down on the

  457. collar of his robes. It is like the do of Herman

  458. which falls on the mountain of Zion for the Lord has commanded

  459. the blessing life forevermore there is a blessing in unity.

  460. And Paul exhorts the church in Ephesus as well.

  461. Say saying be of unity be a one mind Unity under the spirit.

  462. God is looking for a church. That is United.

  463. And I believe that's part of what happens to the liminal

  464. space. The second thing though, is a

  465. work of Purity, we sang that earlier, we sang, I want to burn

  466. for you, only for you. Take my life.

  467. Jesus like you on that. Fine.

  468. Okay. I'll put you on the liminal

  469. space. I'll give you a choice.

  470. Is it really all about me? Is it really?

  471. Do you really want to go through the fire?

  472. What did are all say are all earlier had a word saying, you

  473. know, some of you are feeling nervous about that but you see

  474. it's that place where Grace comes, it's that place where

  475. surrender comes. It's that place where he

  476. purifies us. And we're peace.

  477. Comes and so, part of being in the liminal space is a good

  478. purifies. Our hearts.

  479. That reminds me of that song purify, my heart, that purify My

  480. Heart Jim, you know, that song that's a prayer.

  481. But you I think if most people knew what the answer to that

  482. prayer was he wouldn't want to pray it.

  483. So, okay, here comes the refiners fire.

  484. Welcome to the liminal space. I'll spend some time on that

  485. one, but God says, and he gathers in the liminal space and

  486. as a church church, that's what he's done to us.

  487. He has sifted and he has gathered, and he's bringing

  488. unity and he's bringing Purity. He's bringing holiness.

  489. He's preparing his bride. Does it not say in the

  490. scriptures put on Christ, put on holiness?

  491. Put it on. We need to make a choice.

  492. Okay, what else can we learn from the liminal?

  493. Space number two, it exposes our fears.

  494. When Israel was in the liminal space, right?

  495. So they come to the Red Sea and they get to the, to the border

  496. of the promised land. This is the moment.

  497. This is it, isn't it? Great and Moses is, right?

  498. We're going to send out 12 spice.

  499. You all know the story. Y-12.

  500. One of the of each tribe of Israel.

  501. Go in there, come back and let us know what's going on.

  502. So off they went and they came back and what what happened?

  503. Well 10 of them said, whoa, okay.

  504. To be fair, it is very nice there.

  505. There was some honey and some milk, but this is what God did

  506. not tell us. There are huge giants.

  507. They are very, very big. There is absolutely, no way I'm

  508. going there and then Caleb and Joshua.

  509. Like, well guys, hold the phone. Actually want to read out the

  510. scriptures versus give you my, my take on it number, thirteen

  511. Thirty. But Caleb quieted the people

  512. before Moses and said, let us go up at once and occupy it for.

  513. We are well able to overcome it. See the promises of God seemed

  514. impossible because of the Giants of the land.

  515. They weren't imaginable Giants. This is not an exercise in

  516. ignoring reality. It's an exercise in

  517. understanding the greatness of God.

  518. You see Caleb and Joshua got it, they like, yeah they're Giants.

  519. But have you seen our beguiled goddess?

  520. And there have been Giants for these past two years, a liminal

  521. space seven, they real giants, real things health, and fear, as

  522. come in money issues, the economy jobs.

  523. I mean, I could go on with a long list.

  524. There are giants But God. But God Is Bigger.

  525. God was looking for faith in the Israelite and God is still

  526. looking for faith in his church. How are we going to respond?

  527. When God says, right? This is it guys, we're moving

  528. out of the liminal space. God is looking for a people that

  529. say, we're all in God. Yeah, there's some Giants out

  530. there. But hey, you're big.

  531. And so, when you're in the liminal space, to get us ready

  532. for that moment, he deals with a fear in our hearts.

  533. He allows them to come to the surface.

  534. Why? So that he can deal with it.

  535. How by his great love, perfect, love casts out fear, when you

  536. realize that you are. Here's when you realize that you

  537. are eternally, saved and eternally sealed when you

  538. realize that he has a plan and purpose for you, when you

  539. realize that God is greater than those things, because of his

  540. great love. You can do what Caleb do, and

  541. quieten the people around you. It's okay.

  542. And can I just say in this season you we are called to

  543. quieten the people around us. It's okay.

  544. But God, it's okay. God Is Bigger.

  545. Yes, that Giants. I'm not going to ignore that.

  546. You know, the Lost are not looking for a bunch of people

  547. that are unrealistic and not in touch, with reality.

  548. And just want to put a gloss on everything they're looking for

  549. people that can walk alongside and say, you know what, it is

  550. rubbish and it does suck but God it's okay, it's okay.

  551. Oh, look at the time. Did someone say keep going?

  552. Well, that's that's dangerous. Anybody got ovens on Wi-Fi Now,

  553. you can just delay it on the time.

  554. I'm just kidding. I'm going to give you the third

  555. and then we're going to stop at that point.

  556. Okay? Because I'll save some for next

  557. week. This is the third thing.

  558. God, does he reveals our need for him and our dependence on

  559. him? He reveals our need for him and

  560. our dependence on him. In the liminal space, got strips

  561. away our comfort, our security, our routines, which slowly what

  562. you see happens with those is inadvertently.

  563. They become the Rock by which we live.

  564. We live our lives. It happens to all of us.

  565. It happens to your senior pastor, really?

  566. Yes, I'm human too. By the way FYI.

  567. Thank you. I agree.

  568. You see God gives us by his grace an opportunity to say

  569. those are the rocks that you're living on.

  570. And by the way, they will never stand.

  571. When the storm comes, the only rock is Jesus himself, Jesus

  572. himself. Let's look at the story of

  573. Israel then as we as we bring this plane into a land so what

  574. happens Joshua and Caleb said we can.

  575. But God is so angry with Israel. In fact, he's about to wipe them

  576. out less. Had it not been for the fact

  577. that Moses intercedes and say, whoa, for your name's sake.

  578. Don't do that. Because as you know what, that

  579. whole generation are not going to enter into the promised land

  580. because of their fear because of their Disobedience.

  581. Everyone above 20 years, old is not going to see it except for

  582. Joshua and Caleb. That's why they went into the

  583. Wilderness for 40 years. By the way, it was judgment as

  584. punishment. They the liminal space did not

  585. have to be 40 years. They're about to go into it.

  586. And if you look at the map, what they did was spend 40 years

  587. doing this around, the wooden us wonder where the promised land

  588. is not a myth that we go there once.

  589. No? No. 40 Years of liminal space 40

  590. years. But it was in that place that

  591. God said, right? Let me show you who you need to

  592. depend on and who you need. I'll give you your food every

  593. day, man. I will come down from heaven,

  594. quails And you know what? That shoes and their clothes

  595. never wore out. Do you know that?

  596. Deuteronomy 29 5, yet the Lord says during the 40 years that I

  597. led you through the Wilderness. Your clothes did not wear out,

  598. nor did the sandals on your feet, I'll show you who's gone

  599. and you see it in the liminal space church when everything is

  600. stripped away. Those rocks, those foundations

  601. that we had built our life on those routines.

  602. Those relationships that money in the bank that's security and

  603. the job XYZ etc, etc. The girl says, let me show you

  604. that you need me. And lest you think that that is

  605. a cruel. God, that is a God full of grace

  606. and mercy because it's in that place that we experience his

  607. love and his grace, why? Because he wants the best for

  608. us. I'm going to end those three

  609. there. As a way of a recap he sits and

  610. he gathers God has been sifting and Gathering his church.

  611. Not just here, by the way, Church Global.

  612. I spend two other senior leaders of churches and they have

  613. expressed exactly the same thing.

  614. Number two, exposes our fears. So we can deal with them and

  615. number three. If I can find it, he reveals out

  616. reveals our need for him and our dependence on him like to invite

  617. the band up as I am with some more scripture because what I

  618. want to try and do is focus on what's next.

  619. Can we turn to Isaiah 40:8 328? You see in many ways, this is a

    Isaiah 40:8

  620. parallel to Isaiah 43, we've read the former things, I'm

  621. about to do something new. God actually referenced, is this

  622. again in 48, in a slightly different take, let's read this

  623. together. It's rather long 328 will come

  624. up on the screen or if you're at home or be on your screen.

  625. Let me read this to you. The former things, remember that

  626. phrase? I declared of old they went out

  627. for a my mouth and I announced them and suddenly I did them and

  628. they came to pass. Because I know that you are in a

  629. abstinent and your neck is an iron sinew and your forehead

  630. brass. In other words, you're stubborn

  631. people, I declare them to you from old before they came to

  632. pass. I announce them to you, why?

  633. Here's the answer, lest you should say my idol, did them, my

  634. carved image, and my mental image.

  635. In other words, God said, I told you what I was going to do so

  636. that when it happened, you didn't say, well, I did that.

  637. Look at what my hands did. No, no, no.

  638. But this is very interesting that what happens next.

  639. You have heard now, seal this, and you will not declare it from

  640. the time forth. I announced listen to you new

  641. things. Hidden things that you have not

  642. known. They are created.

  643. Now not long ago before today you have never heard of them,

  644. lest you should say. Behold I knew them.

  645. You have never heard. You have never known from old.

  646. Your ear has not been opened. What is God saying?

  647. Listen Church there are seasons where God will declare what he

  648. does first and then they happen and there are seasons where God

  649. doesn't and he just does them. And in the moment he reveals it

  650. in his strength. You see, I believe the new

  651. things are going to be that season where we just going to

  652. start seeing things. And he's going to start

  653. revealing those things as they happen.

  654. We are moving into a season of Revelation, we're moving into a

  655. season of new things because we are moving out of the threshold

  656. into our new destination church, this liminal space that we've

  657. been in, hasn't been an accident.

  658. It has not been wasted. God has been working in us as a

  659. people for the next chapter and I'm put in the church on notice

  660. that it's going to be an exciting chapter.

  661. I'm putting the church on, notice that we've got work to

  662. do. To continue to make Christ

  663. known. I'm putting the church on

  664. notice. That it's going to require

  665. Sacrifice from us. It's going to require us to dig

  666. deep but in so doing recognizing the God has already prepared us

  667. for it. I want to say each one of you

  668. here, each one of you online. However you find us being part

  669. of this church, you are not here by accident.

  670. You have been called for such a time as this because God is

  671. about to do something new in your midst, who's up for that?

  672. We're about to see something extraordinary Church.